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The Next Revival · Walk Talk: Faith in Motion

• Randy: They said that the revolution would not be televised, but they didn't mention anything about the next revival. Why are so many people coming out the closet as Christians? We're going to get into that today and a lot more on the walk talk. Alright, brother. So yeah, there's more more high profile people are coming out as either, you know, outspoken believers, Christians, or at least people who are honestly entertaining, ⁓ you know, the thoughts of, yeah, the idea. Yeah, what do you think about that? Pj: The idea. Man, I think it's awesome. It's beautiful, man. And, you know, you've definitely seen a surge of it lately. And I do believe that, you know, we're we're in a state of revival, man. I do see I mean, the signs are everywhere. And again, it just kind of feels like things are bubbling up, man. And it is cool to see so many people, you know, get to know Jesus and especially on these huge, huge platforms, man. It's wonderful. Randy: So we've both been hearing about it for a little while now. It's nothing new, but I mean, you brought it up, brother. So tell us what started this. Why are we talking about this today? What was it that jumped out at you out of all the various people that have been talking about faith, talking about Christianity, having discussions about the Bible? What was it that made you think, hey, let's get into this? Pj: It was definitely something I've been wanting to talk to and speak towards for a long time because, you see it everywhere. know what mean? And yeah, absolutely. But it's the people that it's happening to that was just intriguing. And I know that it's been very noticeable. But the cool thing, guess, that just kind of sent it over the edge for me as of lately was, Theo Vaughan, well-known comedian, does his own podcast, a huge podcast. Randy: Yeah. Which is awesome, by the way. Right. Pj: I think it's called this past weekend. And and ⁓ so, you know, a couple of days ago, man, I kept seeing these clips of pop up of him basically talking about God and like in a in a very real and genuine way. And and it's like you can almost see the struggle within him, man. And it was beautiful. And I was like, whoa, like this is somebody who is notorious for saying very off the wall, outlandish. Randy: Yeah. Yeah. Pj: things and it's very funny but to see this serious side was just awesome. Randy: Right. Yeah. And this one hit a little bit close to home, literally, right? Cause Theo Vaughan for anyone who doesn't know is also a fellow Louisianian. that how you say it? Louisianian? Yeah. Pj: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's right. He's from Louisiana. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. From Covington. So yeah, man, that's originally that's cool. And honestly, man, the crazy thing is, is so I saw these these clips of him saying this and I'm like, how did how did we get here? And so I watched I watched the not all of the episode, but the majority of it. And man, I'll be honest, like he kind of shares a testimony that that really resonated with me. Very similar to a lot of thoughts and feelings. that I have had and honestly have been having with trying to deal with some strongholds and some traumas that I feel like I need to let go in order for me to progress in my walk with God today in real time. And so it was cool, So if you don't mind, I know you haven't seen this and I've been kind of telling you. So Randy: Yeah. Yeah, I've been dying. I've been dying to see what you're talking about. So let's let's do it. You ready to pull it up? Pj: All right. Yeah, let me go ahead and share this with you. Randy: Alright, let's take a look and hear what Theovon has to say. Pj: Okay. Oops. ⁓ you're have to edit this. It shut me all the way out. Like I don't even see you anymore. Randy: That's fine, I'll cut out a few seconds if I need to. Pj: I can't see nothing like the whole the riverside is going on my side No, no, yeah, that's what I'm saying like the whole riverside app so like I can't like I can't share the screen What were you able to see it at least or no? Randy: ⁓ you don't see Riverside at all? No, no. Pj: Hey, I'm sorry, I'm messing up this whole episode right now. Randy: It's all right, man. We can edit this part out. Pj: I don't know how to get back to... Like, I can still hear you, but I don't know where the Riverside thing went. Randy: If you hit like, ⁓ alt tab, do you see a Riverside pop up? Pj: ⁓ I found it. Jeez, sorry. Okay. Jeez. Okay. Randy: It's all right, we'll just cut all this out. Pj: Okay. Alright brother, yeah so this is it man. Like I said, pretty cool stuff. So here we go, check this out. Randy: All right. Pj: So from what I understand, like he'll get these callers that will call in and kind of share some stuff with him and look for some advice. And I guess that's what kind of initiated this response from him. Randy: Gotcha. We'll beep that out. Wow. Pj: And real quick, there's one more part. Randy: Wow. That's Should probably pause it there. Pj: I was just going to let it go to the point where he starts talking about that the story and John but yeah it is. Randy: Well, let's, let's hear what, what edit this part out for the, for the sake of just the flow. Like that's a pretty long clip already. Let's talk about that. And then let's maybe play that clip next. about that? Pj: Okay. And then yeah, so what I thought I had it queued up. went back to I was trying to go to right before that dude started talking to where Theo Bond just started talking. Randy: So just cue it up now and then let's then stop sharing and then let's come back to ⁓ that next clip and talk about that one. Pj: So, all right, let me, so I'm gonna cue it up right, well, let me get to what he's about to say. Let me see. I should write down, I'll go out, I'm starting to feel something different. was there. All right so Randy: Okay, so stop sharing and then we'll like react to that first part and then we'll go to the next part. Pj: Alrighty. Randy: All man. Wow. That was, ⁓ that was something. Yeah. Theo von, ⁓ you know, I don't know where he stands. I'm not, you know, I've listened to him a little bit. I've not like heard him really talk about his faith before. ⁓ but you know, I am a person who likes to like listen to people who are like struggling with their faith. mean, I've shared this with you before. It's one of the reasons why I always love DMX's music. Cause I could hear it in his music that he's somebody who messes up a lot, but at the same time, He has, you you could, you could hear it in his music that God's calling him away from all that stuff, but he's still like, you know, he's, in the battle and the struggle. that's something that's very relatable for me. Pj: Absolutely. I think it's relatable to everybody. think that that that that's part of the reason why testimonies are so powerful man, because you know, it's like it's one of these things that that we connect us all right, we've all been like whenever you start walking this thing out, you go through that man and you feel that and and it's just cool to see you know what I mean? Like these other people like you could even kind of tell like his demeanor shifted like whenever it's almost like you like you're witnessing firsthand that that that battle that struggle that's going on on the internal and man yeah it just it really caught me off guard Randy: Yeah. And to hear him just talk about that, like it's so true, man. I know I've been there too. You know, I know I've, I've prayed prayers and asked God to give me the strength to overcome things and like Paul, right? Remove this storm from me and getting God's responses, you know, my grace is sufficient. And it's like, I hear Theo saying that like, God, I know as I'm praying this, that it, you know, part of me is, is lying to you. It's like, Wow, like that is some self-awareness right there. yeah, man, that's like, you know, that's a challenge. I feel a challenge from that, like, you know, like God's challenging me to say, you know, hey, like, yeah, can you be this real? And, know, can you be this honest about, you know, the things that you pray for, especially in regards to like things that you struggle with? Pj: Yeah, yeah. Right. And that's really what struck me, man, because here is somebody who seems like they're in the beginning stages, right? They're just trying to figure out like, this what I want? this whatever? And to have that kind of awareness to like, man, like to be you right. That's the way. And I believe that that's what God expects from us. God, he already knows, but we always feel like we're hiding something from him. Like we have this dirty little secret in the back of our mind that he don't know about. Randy: Yeah. Pj: And I think that he that's what he wants. wants us to be upfront and honest and real and raw like that with him. Randy: We're naked and ashamed and we're hiding in the bushes as if God doesn't know we're there. Pj: Right. Right, right. So, yeah, man. And then look, you know, that so that that kind of caught caught me off guard, man. And like, you know, ⁓ there's there's one more part that I'd like to share with you. But before we get to it, man, like, you know, in between this, he's he's really like you. He just continues like he's telling God, like, I want you to work in like the deepest cores of me. He's like, I don't he's like in the like just dude, it was wild. I was just like not expecting it. But it's beautiful to see. And in the same way, I'm sure, I know we've been in situations where you're sitting there watching somebody share their testimony and it's like this part of you feels connected to them. Like man, I've been there. So yeah. Randy: Yeah. And I just, it just reminds me just hearing him just just hearing him just reminds me of the Psalm, you know, where it says, you know, search me, oh Lord, you know, know my heart, see if there's any offensive ways in me. Right. It's like, wow, it's like that's that's very much what it reminded me of as I was listening to him speak. So, yeah, let's let's hear what else he has to say. Pj: You're my heart. All right, yeah, good deal, man. I love it. it's a god be the glory, man. He's working. He's definitely working, doing some big things. And I'd love to see his handiwork. OK, check this out. Amen. Mmm. Randy: Yeah, yeah. That that that will it makes me wonder like, you know, regardless, if he heard that from, you know, a sermon or if those are his original thoughts, I mean, it's great to hear him sharing. I love when I hear someone who has a platform, you know, sharing about Christ and about their faith and about, you know, prayer and about the Bible and their insights on a story like that. mean, again, whether Pj: That'll preach, bro. That'll preach. Randy: This was his quiet time with the Lord and he is reading the word or whether he's listening to a sermon on Sunday at church. The fact that he's sharing this, you know, this message and these thoughts, it's just, it's just great to hear. it's what a powerful like question. Like, you know, we, we never really think about that, right? It's like, why would Jesus even ask that question? You know, do you want to be healed? It's like, of course the guy wants to be healed. He's at the pole every day trying to get in to be healed, but he doesn't. Pj: ⁓ yeah. Randy: take that for granted. Jesus doesn't take that fact for granted. just, he still asked the question, do you want to be healed? Pj: 100 % yeah, and and that's the thing man, like I I never Like whenever whenever I heard the Oval and say that was a crazy question I'm like what why and then like he elaborates on it and he does he puts he kind of gives some of his Testimony in the end and I thought that that was beautiful and like I said, I read it resonated with me But but then like that's that's one of those things, you know, like from from the perspective of a believer I would say you're like who of course who wouldn't want to be healed but but for the Randy: Yeah. Yeah. Pj: the person on the other side who finds their identity in the way that they're in their own, in their sickness. You know what mean? It's like, are you ready to be a new creation? And are you ready to ⁓ hold yourself accountable to everything that comes with that healing? You know what I mean? Like it's wild. know, that's something that I feel like I'm, like I said, I'm working through right now. So it's good stuff, man. Randy: Yep. Yeah. Well, thanks for sharing that man. Cause yeah, I mean, I think that's, uh, you know, that's very good food for thought. and, and it's very encouraging to see from, from Theo and, you know, like we, like we've discussed in the past, you know, there's, there's multiple people who are in, you know, positions of influence who honestly it's shocking for some of them to hear, you know, that he's, he was a comedian. Um, and you know, for people who you wouldn't expect. Yeah, we all know Chris Pratt is a Christian, right? We expect to hear him say things about Jesus and talk about his faith, but when you start to hear from other folks, you and I have talked in the past about Jordan Peterson, how he has been wrestling with his faith. There's things that he says and does that you and I probably would say, just embrace it, right? Pj: Right. Randy: But at the same time, it's his own way. It's his own way of wrestling with God. And it's great to hear more more people coming out and being outspoken. think the world needs more of that. So it's very encouraging. Pj: Yeah. Absolutely, man. And I mean, there's a long list, man. Like, you know, I don't know if you've seen, you know, Justin Bieber came out, you know what mean? Like Russell Bray. Randy: Is it beaver or beaver? Pj: I don't know one of those. yeah, so he you know, do another one that was like, well, I don't know a whole lot, but I just saw that you like I mean, he even like was was singing in churches and stuff like actual like gospel music and and you know, it's one of these stories that you see, you know, I guess he's he's been in headlines for wrestling with drug and alcohol abuse and stuff like that and and having the money and the fame and getting to this spot where he's just like, Randy: I have not. And what did he say? I mean, we don't have to get into it too deep, but I mean. Yeah, yeah. Pj: I need something else. None of this stuff is satisfying or fulfilling this desire, this hole that I have in me. Randy: And it's a nice reversal, man, because it's like, you remember when we were coming up, you had like the Destiny Childs of the world who started off in the church singing in the gospel band and things like that, who then went secular for, you know, the fame and the fortune and whatnot. And not that I'm saying there's anything necessarily wrong with that, but to see people who are already, you know, have quote unquote made it and have been successful in their trade and their craft and their art. Pj: Yeah. Randy: to then turn and say, know what, as successful, as great as this is, and as much as I have, there's still something missing and I think I know what it is and I think it's the Lord. That's very good. We know that Proverbs and Ecclesiastes and we know that Solomon gives us that same message, right? But to see like the modern day Solomons, you know, to give us their perspective is awesome. Pj: 100%. Yeah. It is awesome, And I mean, there's countless stories. One of initial ones that caught my attention that kind of sparked me wanting to have this conversation, and it was a while back, I think it's been at least over a year, was Russell Brand. Randy: Yeah. Well, real quick, just to clarify, I'm not saying modern day Solomons as in they're anywhere near as wise as Solomon. I just mean like as successful and as wealthy as he was, ⁓ you know, to, then see that all of that pursuit is just chasing the wind. Like he says it. That's what I meant. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry to cut you off. Yeah. Russell Brand. Pj: Right. Right. No, no, you're good. Yeah. So Russell Brand came out and I mean, he was very famous. Yeah, he was very famous for being very just self self self 100 % Randy: He's another one. Yeah. he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, Pj: I think they both fit. I think they both work. Right. Right. And so, you know, that that happened and just like there's just been multiple, multiple people, man. And it's been beautiful to see just like it's just like waves. And then look, man, you know, it's almost becoming just popular in the culture. You see a bunch of athletes, you know, professing their faith. You see young people coming in droves. You know what mean? Like, I mean, there's there's so many people. Randy: Yeah. And this is going beyond what has always existed, which is people thanking God for their Grammy, right? Or people thanking God for their college championship or their Super Bowl victory. This is like, that is meaningless when the rest of the year, the rest of your life, you don't mention God at all. You don't give glory to God and you don't live in a way that honors Him. And then you get up there and thank Him for your award. Pj: Yeah, no, this is not that. Randy: pretty much meaningless, but when a person is obviously, you know, trying to live it out, it's something totally different. Pj: different. And you can see there's a genuineness there. You can see it. To go hand in hand with that, I saw this sometimes last year, but they said that in 2025 that Bible sales skyrocketed. Skyrocketed. It said that everything. Randy: Right, right. Wow. Even with apps and everything else, the electronic online versions, the actual physical copies of the Bible are, are selling through the roof. Well, you know, I'll I'll be honest as many Bibles as I have around the house, I just bought one just a couple, just a month ago, I bought a new one. Pj: 100%. Right, right, right. But yeah, man, like, so you've seen you've seen this increase in people like just having a hunger and a thirst for knowledge and righteousness, you know, it's it's it's refreshing, Randy: Yeah. Right. Well, so since we mentioned awards and Grammys, I do want to play the clip from Jelly Roll. And we've talked about Jelly Roll in the past. But let's let's let's play a little bit of his ⁓ speech that he gave. I believe it was at the Grammys when he gave this this speech. So let's see here. ⁓ Pj: it. think that's what it was, yeah. It's been cool to watch his journey also, man. You know what mean? Like he's another one. He's out there and he's just trying to get it figured out, know, Randy: Yeah. Alright, so let's see if I could figure out how to share this. I only got one screen, so can you still see my screen? Alright, let's go. Pj: Yep, yep, you're good. Randy: Can hear it? Pj: Mm-hmm. Randy: Jesus is not old by no music label. Jesus is Jesus. Pj: Amen. Randy: There it is. And we talked about this in the past, right? That there, there was a lot of backlash. ⁓ you know, honestly, a lot of Christians who, you know, had some things to say about that clip because they said, Hey, jelly roll, he makes music where he talks about doing drugs and things like that. And, know, who was he to get up there? And matter of fact, it was his wife who said that, you know, they've got more backlash from quote unquote Christians than from anyone in the music industry or anyone else in the secular world, which is just crazy. What are we doing? I don't get it. Pj: Yeah, I feel like I could see Paul up in ⁓ heaven just laughing at that. hey, listen, you know, I went from being a Christian slayer one day to having an encounter with Jesus and being Paul, you know what I mean? The Paul that, you know, it's like, come on, man. Randy: Right. Well, it's like, what would they say to Paul today? Would they even accept him? You know what I mean? If he were alive today with the reputation that he had, would they even accept it? Would they accept his letters as scripture? Pj: Well, you know, don't get me wrong. I'm sure I'm sure there ⁓ may be some people out there who don't have past that maybe they're, you know, ashamed of or happy and appreciative that they've been rescued from. But for the rest of us, I get it. And I say, welcome, brothers and sisters, you know, come, you know, it's like and we were all know. Randy: Yeah. You don't need to be perfect. Like you said, Jesus is for everybody. Pj: Man, look, you know, here's a crazy thing, man. Like I just shared this with somebody that I'm really close to and, you know, he's been going through a lot and I've known him for a while and I've been just trying to share the gospel with the man. And, you know, he's always very standoffish against it. And I'm like, it's fine. You know, like I'm, you know, I'm still here. You know, I'm not trying to shove it down your throat, but I do want you to know, you know, certain things that's that the other. And so, I mean, we've been having conversations for for months about about it and you know every time that we talk about it he's like maybe one day maybe one day I'll get there and you know the last one of the last times I talked to him recently he said he said you know what I'm afraid of he said I'm afraid that by the time I get to that point where I just I'm like you know what I just I surrender I'm gonna turn to God he's like I feel like whenever I finally get to that point God's gonna say nope too late I wanted you know, it's too late for you whatever and I said that's not true You know what mean? I said God loves you right now just as much as he loves anybody else and he knows what you're going through and he knows everything that you've done and he still loves you enough to die for you like Jesus loves you right now like don't get this idea that you're You're not worth something to him and he was like what I'm like, yeah, dude Like he you know, like there's nothing you're not surprising him And you know, I'm like, he's just waiting. I was like, whenever you do, I said, he's going to rejoice like you would not believe he'll be waiting with open arms. And he's like, why don't people teach us? I'm like, they do. They do. Like, are you are you you listening? And it's you know, those are the kind of things that make me sad for the people out there who who just think that based off of stuff like that, they're like, man, I don't I got a I got a bad pass. I'm not trying to go. proclaim Jesus and have people like, you can't, you evolve, you know, it's like, and they get this idea that that that's a projection of how God's going to feel towards them. And it's totally false, False. Randy: Yeah. I mean, my thought on that is, you know what? God intentionally chooses the weak to shame the strong, the foolish to shame the wise, you know, the broken to put them back together. And it's so he could get all the glory. It's so that he could get all the honor in everything that's done. And everybody is all of those things in our own way. ⁓ If you feel like your story is so bad that you've Pj: 100%. Right, 100%. Randy: done so much wrong that you have blown it so much, then what a greater comeback story you have. It's like the team that's down 35 to 0 at halftime and then they come back to win the game. People love that story. And on the flip side of that, If you're the opposite and you don't have that story and you've always pretty much been like, Hey, you know, maybe I grew up in the church or maybe I didn't grow up in the church, but I didn't go out. I didn't commit any like big sins or anything like that. then, then, okay. Then glory to God that you didn't have to learn the hard way and you should be able to build on that momentum and go even further and do even greater things and, and, and give God the glory for that as well. Give God the glory either way. Pj: 100 % or you know hats off and show some grace for to those who didn't have it but still found the same way. You know what mean? Who had to fight for it a little bit. You know what I mean? man it just it really it blows my mind and like I said you know Jelly Roll is an example but I mean it's there's other artists who have a little bit squeakier clean backgrounds if there is such a thing. who still get backlash from other Christians. Christian on Christian, just man, stuff is insane. For a group of people whose motto is grace and mercy, we're so not, you know? Randy: Well, it. Yeah. Well, I can't remember exactly how it was said, but there's a pastor that I was listening to the other day that said, you know, it's one thing to, you know, hold other Christians accountable and to, you know, ⁓ call out your brothers and sisters in Christ, but you got to, you got to pay attention and you you know, what side a person stands on by, who they're firing the shots at. And so You know, and it's true if you're in war, you're wondering who's on your side and who's on the other side, who's shooting at you? Who's the one taking the shots? They're not on your side. And so it's, you know, it's very, you know, you got to be very humble and you got to have a lot of grace because, know, all, any one of us, you know, are probably doing things that, you know, any point in time that will offend other believers if we're not having grace for each other. And you don't want to be in that position where you're taking shots. Pj: All right. right. Randy: at your own side. It's fine to speak the truth in love, but it's got to be heavily clouded in grace. Otherwise, you do come across as you're taking shots. And if you're taking shots, then you're not on the same side. Pj: 100%. Right, right. Yeah, that's true. And you know, it's like I just the Bible is pretty clear and pretty serious whenever it comes to like doing things that would cause another Christian to stumble. now we're talking about causing them to stumble. What do you think or how do you how do you think God would feel about you? basically talking somebody out of the kingdom like like somebody is like hey listen you know what I think I'm gonna I think I'm gonna go after I think I'm gonna seek this God and they're like no you can't don't do it you're you're dirty and and and they decide to listen to you you're not causing them to stumble they were they were knocking on the door saying hey listen you know what is Jesus in there because I'd like to meet him and you're like nope he can't come you know it's like gee come on Randy: Yeah. Well, that was that was one of the accusations that Jesus, you know, aimed at the Pharisees. He says, you know, not only do you not enter, but you stop those who want to enter from entering. Right. It's like that's exactly what he was talking about. ⁓ Another person that I, you know, I've been following kind of his journey for a few years is Joe Rogan. ⁓ So Joe Rogan, you know, I remember not too long ago where, know, and I don't. Pj: Right. Right. Yeah. It's crazy, Yeah, Joe Yeah. Randy: I don't remember exact quotes, but he didn't seem to really think much of Christians. He seems very skeptical. He seemed to think, you know, a lot of religion, Christianity included, was just, you know, superstition and things like that. And I've seen this evolution where something is happening ⁓ and he has, you know, been he's been very open. Recently he had on Wes Huff on his on his show Not too long ago, and I thought that was just great Wes Huff just laid out the gospel, you know for the you know, the biggest podcaster in the world's audience and then you know, Joe has said some things They even sound like they're in defense of Christianity recently and I want to play one of those Let's see here. Pj: And know, Joe Rogan, like, I mean, I get it. Randy: So I'm going to play a few seconds of this. I think there's more to it. I think it's history. I used to level that. Me too. All right. So you even heard him say right there at end, me too. Like he very much used to be one of those guys, I think from what I remember hearing, ⁓ saying that, yeah, this is, this is all just a fairy tale. And now he's like, look, there's more to it than that. Pj: Yeah, absolutely. you know, it makes sense to me for Joe Rogan because Joe Rogan is really smart and the things that he knows, like he knows a lot about a lot, I would say. And and so what I like about him and it seems like what has happened here is if he gets fixated on something like he deep dives into like he wants to know, like he wants he doesn't want to just be talking crap like he wants to know and have, you know, Randy: Mm-hmm. ⁓ yeah. Pj: like know why he stands on the position that he does. so. Randy: Well, he'll have the best expert in the world and listen to them for three hours and just ask question after question. Pj: Right. Right. Well, and so I think what you're seeing there is, you've seen believers who are doing what we're supposed to do and saying, listen, I don't care if you're proclaimed atheist or whatever, like I'm going to share this gospel with you and I'm gonna let the gospel do what the gospel does. And you can kind of see that gospel working on him where he's like going from like, oh yeah, I used to love the atheist stuff too. But man, like As I'm looking into this, there's something about it and it's it's it's you know, the wheels are spinning in here but I think the Things are spinning also in his heart man. And that I mean that's that's what you want You know what I mean? And so what are what are they gonna say? You know if joe rogan, you know, glory to god comes out and says man i'm i'm a christian and like you said I have the biggest podcast biggest platform out of anybody and guess what now all these people are hearing me They're hearing the words the word of jesus Randy: Yeah. Pj: Come out of my mouth. You know what mean? Seas are getting planted everywhere Like what are they gonna say? Well, no you sue like atheist stuff like no man. Welcome You know, I mean, let's let's get to work. Let's save some souls, you know Wow Randy: Yeah. And let me just throw this out there too. So like we've named a few people who are prominent figures who have, you know, been talking about their faith and they've been very open about, you know, their prayers and their studying of the scriptures. and, and look, I just want to say this, like, ⁓ well, we're not endorsing, we're not saying get your theology from these people. Pj: No. Randy: We're not saying like, you know, these are people that like you should be learning from in your own faith. What we're saying is like, it's encouraging and it's awesome. And we like the way things are trending that more and more prominent people in the culture, people who are super successful, who, you know, are saying, a second, there's gotta be more than this. And instead of taking their own lives with drugs and alcohol and, you know, or, you know, more violent methods of that. They're opening their heart and searching their souls and they're talking about it. you know, just to make it clear, we're not saying go get your theology from Theo von or Joe Rogan or Jelly Roll, but embrace them in ⁓ their journey and in their struggle and pray for them. you know, yeah, mean, yeah, pray for them, especially because they have a platform to reach a lot of people. Pj: Absolutely not. And they're, you Absolutely. And And you never know. I mean, these are people, mean, you go out to their shows, you never know if your prayers or your encouragement will be something that will help perpetuate their walk. And I mean, back to your point, we're not telling you to listen to us. Same message, get in your Bible. You worked at it. That's between you and God. Your relationship is ultimately between you and God, not you and your husband, wife, daughter. Pastored none of that between you and god so that's that's the message but but it is encouraging to see man And that's what we want. That's what we should all want as brothers and sisters as followers as believers just all of it like man, it's good to see People like you said like I mean, I remember it was a while back. I saw an interview but it's Will smith was talking about he said specifically he said man, I wish For everyone that they can get everything that they've ever wanted all the money, the whatever fame, he's like, because I've had it. He said, I've bought all the things, I've done all the things, I went to all the places, I've seen it, I've had it. And he said, you know, on the other side of everything that I've ever wanted was nothing. He said, I felt very, very empty. And he didn't even say anything in relationship to like finding God or nothing. All he said was like, you know, obviously he's been rich for a very long time, uber rich. Randy: Hmm. Hmm. Pj: And he said, man, actor. Yeah, mean, kids like they're all in all entertainment based like he he's been around he in his mind and his thoughts that he's seen it all done it all had it all. And he's like still like that whole inside of him, which is God, how we were created, you know, that makes us whole is still missing for him. And so he like he's even said, you know, like, I wish everybody could could see that. Randy: successful rapper, successful actor, married to a movie star. Pj: everything that you're chasing is so meaningless. I mean, we see that in what Ecclesiastes that tells us that like, Randy: Yeah, I mean, that's exactly the message of Solomon. Again, it's like, you hey, I have everything and it's all chasing after the win. It's all going to go to somebody else. And even though I got all the things that I thought would fulfill me and satisfy me, none of it did. And it's like, yeah, we need people in our day and age echoing that message. People who are in that position. And like you said, Will Smith, he's, you know, I don't even know where he stands faith wise. Pj: Yeah, yeah. Randy: or what he claims to, you know, proclaim. But if he's out there telling people that, I think that's a good message to share with people is that, you know, hey, those things, ⁓ whether it's a thing, a relationship, ⁓ a position, a status, a job, whatever it is, the other side of it is just emptiness. Pj: Especially especially whenever you know you have such a highly recognizable figure right who I mean he You just kind of got an agree like he's probably had it all done it all whatever You have him saying that Randy: Yeah, I mean, at one, at one point he was the highest paid actor in the world, like a few years ago. Pj: Right, right. Right. So you have this guy saying that like, I've had it all and I've it's meaningless. Then you you go to the Bible and you have Paul like, listen, I was in prison and I was, you know, praising Jesus 100 percent. So you see that duality and you're like, well, dang, what you know what I mean? It's a good contrast to have. You know what I mean? And it just it just goes, you know, to to to show you like, man, like Randy: I've learned to be contempt. Pj: This is not where it's at, And I mean, know personally, like I said, man, before I decided to surrender, I was worried in a way like, man, how am I going to handle surrender? I'm kind of a control freak. I like to be in charge of, especially myself. I was like, And man, the. Randy: Sure. Sure. Pj: peace and the rest that literally would have felt like was just like, man, like this is not, this is nice. You know what I mean? Like to just, you know, not have to feel like if, if I'm not having my best day every single day that this whole thing falls apart, like to be able to be like, Nope, you got, I surrender. You, you got this. I'm in control of nothing. It was just like, ⁓ man, thank you. It felt like the weight of the world had been lifted off of my shoulders, man. And yeah, it's, it's really is. It's a It's a wonderful, wonderful feeling. Randy: Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, I know exactly what you mean, man. It's like to just know that, you know, regardless of, you know, what happens, whether you have a lot, whether you have a little, whether, you know, you have the best job or you are looking for a job or, or whether you got a lot of money in the bank or not a lot of money in the bank or you got a car that runs or a car that doesn't run or, you know, a roof with a hole in it or, you know, whatever it is, like to know that like, Regardless, you like you just surrender it all to God and he's, you know, he's in control and he's going to take care of it. It doesn't mean you don't have a responsibility. It doesn't mean that you don't have things that you need to take action on and do, but it means that, you know, you got, you got God that's ultimately in control. He's looking out for your best interests and, and he's for you. He's for you. He's got your back. Yeah. And you know that there's, there's nothing, you know, nowhere else, no better place to be. Right. So. Pj: And he's for you. He's for you. Yeah. Absolutely. Randy: ⁓ So yeah, very, very encouraging man that, you know, we're seeing more and more and I'm sure there's others. ⁓ I'm sure there's a lot of others that, you know, might come to mind for folks as they're listening to this conversation. And if there are others, them in the comments. Let us know. Who did we miss? Who else is out there that's, you know, maybe struggling with their faith, but you could see the change that's happening in their heart or who else is maybe a low key Christian who's, you know, with someone that we didn't... ⁓ Pj: There's a ton, yeah. Randy: than think of mentioning today that's maybe out there telling people about God, just let us know. Pj: Absolutely, because we love the testimonies. We love them. ⁓ yeah, man, so I know we're getting close to wrapping up. ⁓ before we go, man, ⁓ I was just going to kind of just share a little update with you on stuff that I've kind of mentioned before about, you know, the situation ⁓ that I spoke to before. I will say ⁓ it, man, it's been a ⁓ crazy season. God's been been. growing me and maturing me a lot. ⁓ so recently I did reach out and speak with the pastor of the church that I was asked not to go to anymore. And he and I were able to sit down as followers of Christ and work towards reconciliation, man. And it's been a beautiful process. am currently going back to the church. ⁓ I've gone a few times now. You know, it's been good, man. And I see I feel like the Lord is still very much working. ⁓ I've seen I've seen some of the some of his hand and the response that I've got coming back. And that's been beautiful. And honestly, it's been a blessing, man, because I will tell you this, even though ⁓ I do feel like I'm being obedient to the voice of my father that I heard very distinctly. Ask me, are you not a son of God? Although I feel like I'm being obedient to that, I will tell you it's been hard, man. It's been the biggest thing that I feel like the Lord is dealing with me for right now is pride. And I think that that's what it it boils down to. You know, there's there's a lot of areas where I had let go of pride, I guess. And apparently there's still some areas of my life where it was hanging around. And I think that we are, I'm learning that through this season because my biggest thing was realizing like, I'm a man and I'm sure most men can agree like, that just gives you kind of just like, man, I'm a man first. It's like you have this sense of pride to yourself and it's like, man, I'm not gonna. bow down to no other man, you know, I won't. And, you know, I had to realize it's like, I'm not bowing down to man, I'm bowing down to my God. And I'll do that 10 times out of 10, you know, I will bow before him. Randy: Yeah. Well, I think mean, reconciliation is awesome, man. I mean, the Bible says blessed are the peacemakers. ⁓ But I'm just curious because I know when we talked about this last time, you you had shared with folks, you know, the story ⁓ and, know, how you were kind of asked out of the blue, ⁓ you know, to, you know, or basically, you know, to no longer attend or you were no longer welcome. ⁓ Did you ever get any more explanation as to why and have you seen any repentance ⁓ from the pastor in that regard or. Pj: Well, I got more insight into why as far as what God is doing in other people. I mean, that's not for me to speak on or speculate on. I don't know. You know, that's between anybody else that is involved in the situation. You know, that's between them and God. And, you know, I've seen enough for me to... Really, mean, either way, I would have not had seen anything, you know, I'm going to be obedient to what I feel like, you know, God is asking me to do. But I mean, yeah, I'm... Randy: Okay. So do you want to share about what that is that you feel like God is asking you to do? Pj: Well, so I just, you know, I had I had hesitation about, know, like, guess because of how things had played out, like, should I should I go back? And and, you know, I was like, well, maybe if this happened, maybe if that happened. But I'm like, you know, if if if whatever. And and and, you know, it was basically I felt like it would it was something that needed to come to me. And I'm like, know, whatever. I was replaying the conversation that I'd had with someone in my head. And they were like, you know, would you ever reach out? And I was like, no, I wouldn't. Like, I don't feel like I should reach out. And then I very clearly heard, well, why not? Like, are you not a son of God? Like, telling me, like, don't you know what you need to do in this situation? But you're allowing your pride to stop you from being able to. Randy: Sure. Pj: be sitting in church as the head of your household with your wife and your kids because you don't want to do what you know you need to do. And so I knew that. also, you know, I did miss the fellowship and I missed everything about it. So I was like, you know what? I was hesitant, but I was going to be obedient. And whenever I was obedient, then things worked out the way that it needed to. And I don't. believe that God is done working in a situation. I did make sure that that everybody understood, you know, if things that I had said or did, you know, may have been taken out of context or maybe we're just completely wrong. And I apologize that my I never want to be used to sow any seeds of discord or cause any division anywhere in any in any way. You know, even here even here on this on this podcast, that that's not my intention. You know, Randy: Yeah. Yeah. Pj: And yeah, man, just, I will say I do feel like God is doing something and it's Randy: Yeah. So for anyone who maybe don't remember that episode where we got into the whole, the whole story where you told the whole story, just give us a quick, like, you know, why were you asked to leave? What led up to it and what has changed? Cause I remember having to do with tongues and a disagreement on your stance on, ⁓ you know, speaking in tongues. Are you now speaking in tongues then have you been baptized in the Holy spirit as they say? Pj: No, no, that, so my views on that haven't changed. think that basically, ⁓ you know, where the disconnect was, was apparently, you know, things, the things that got translated back were not things that were accurate, that I said accurately. And I mean, I'll just say this, I don't want to get into it any further than just letting y'all know there has been resolution and I'm going back to the church. You know, and that's, mean, what I am learning is there's times whenever you need to be silent and you need to be still and not every, I don't need to share everything. And I think that that's part of the biggest lesson that I've learned is I can be open and honest, but I don't, not all the details need to be presented to everybody, you know? So, but I mean, I did want to update just in case anybody is following and you know, I do know that there are people who, that I do know personally that I do watch the episodes and have been praying. And I appreciate that because I believe that they've ultimately worked out for God's good and His glory. So, yeah. Randy: Alright man, well hey that's, you know, thanks for the update and that's totally, you know, totally understandable if you don't want to get into any more details than that. I know that the Bible says that, you know, we're to shine light in dark areas and I have no problem personally with sharing any details of anything but if that's where you want to draw the line then we'll respect it and leave it there. Pj: Yeah. So I think unless you have anything else, I think I'm good. Randy: All right, well, yo, think that does it for this episode of The Walk Talk. Thank you everybody for listening and for following the show. And before you go, make sure you leave your thoughts and comments down in the comments below. God bless. Pj: God bless. ⁓ man.