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Olivia Rogers Has A Type, The Sepia Bride TikTok Drama, Meta Threatens To Ban Aussie News & The Doxxing Debate. · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show. TV reporters
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  Speaker 1: are told to forget about ratings and concentrate on TikTok videos.
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  Speaker 1: Bella Varela's docs as a follower following a violent remark,
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  Speaker 1: the sepia bride TikTok drama and the viral hook tar girl.
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  Speaker 1: But first, Olivia Rogers has gone viral with her new
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  Speaker 1: boyfriend at the Beauty and the Beast premiere. And it
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  Speaker 1: is clear that the former Miss Universe has a type,
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  Speaker 1: with followers noticing her new man bears a striking resemblance
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  Speaker 1: to her ex-husband, Justin McKeon. Now, Sophie, Olivia first broke
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  Speaker 1: the news of her new romance on her podcast. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and this was a bit of a slip up because
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  Speaker 1: in the episode, she was being interviewed by her friend,
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  Speaker 1: Hugo Tovey, and he is a mental health advocate. who's
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  Speaker 1: beaten cancer twice. And during the segment, Hugo asked Olivia
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  Speaker 1: to take part in a connection exercise. So he asked
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  Speaker 1: her to close her eyes and think about someone in
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  Speaker 1: her life that she loves, adores, and could not be
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  Speaker 1: doing life without. Hugo then asked her to open her
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  Speaker 1: phone and send a message to that person saying, I
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  Speaker 1: love you. I miss you. See you soon. Kiss, hug, kiss, hug.
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  Speaker 1: And he proceeded to ask Olivia on mic, who's the
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  Speaker 1: person that she sent the message to? This was her reply.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no. We don't have to say that. It's just
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  Speaker 1: funny because I joked about mentioning him on the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: My boyfriend. Okay, there you go. First time you've said
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  Speaker 1: that on the podcast. Yes, it is. We've got a
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  Speaker 1: scoop now. I don't think Hugo was anticipating that response.
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  Speaker 1: It It shows off the bat, though, that this relationship
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  Speaker 1: is pretty serious if they've already exchanged I love views.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder how long it's been going on for because
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  Speaker 1: she broke up with her most recent ex, Morgan Waterhouse,
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  Speaker 1: in November last year, if you can believe it. Wow. Really? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so it's been about seven months that she's been single.
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  Speaker 1: I like this new guy already and I don't even
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  Speaker 1: know anything about him. Yeah, I mean, yeah, because following
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  Speaker 1: the segment, Olivia– must have thought enough people had heard it.
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  Speaker 1: So she thought I may as well post him. So
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  Speaker 1: she put up a black and white photo with this
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  Speaker 1: mystery man. It was amongst a photo dump from her
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  Speaker 1: trip to Perth. And I hadn't actually heard this podcast interview.
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  Speaker 1: So I wasn't aware that she confirmed that she had
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  Speaker 1: a new boyfriend. So I put it in our Facebook
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  Speaker 1: group saying to listeners, do you think this is some
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  Speaker 1: sort of hard launch? Because I noticed one of her
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  Speaker 1: friends put a little rocket ship emoji in the comments.
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  Speaker 1: And a lot of people in our Facebook group thought, oh,
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  Speaker 1: maybe this guy's a family member because the photo didn't
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  Speaker 1: look overly affectionate. Did you see it? Yeah, I can
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  Speaker 1: see where they're coming from. It didn't instantly shout, this
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  Speaker 1: is my new boyfriend. Well, yeah, because he was sitting
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  Speaker 1: on a chair and she had her arm sort of
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  Speaker 1: around him. But yeah, it looked like a very family
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  Speaker 1: sort of pose. And the caption didn't really point to
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  Speaker 1: it being a hard launch either because it just said,
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  Speaker 1: Perth featuring pasta puppies and some of my favourite people.
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  Speaker 1: So I thought, oh, this guy must just be someone
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  Speaker 1: from Perth she knows. I think it's an intentional move
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  Speaker 1: though because Olivia has copped criticism over how much she
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  Speaker 1: was talking about her relationship with Morgan. Well, she also
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  Speaker 1: didn't tag the new guy in the post. Smart move. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and it wasn't until he appeared alongside Olivia at the
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  Speaker 1: Beauty and the Beast premiere, which she ended up hosting
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  Speaker 1: the red carpet for, that people realize that they were
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  Speaker 1: in fact an item. And this is where a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people couldn't help but notice that he looks so
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  Speaker 1: much like her ex-husband, Justin McCain. Like they have this
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  Speaker 1: same sort of pout. Don't you think they could be twins?
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  Speaker 1: Some people actually said, you don't think they look the same? No,
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  Speaker 1: I actually don't think that they look the same. Are
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  Speaker 1: you serious? They look the same person. They're the same
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  Speaker 1: kind of height. Yeah. Um, Same height, hair color, same face.
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  Speaker 1: When I saw him, I actually thought he looked a
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  Speaker 1: lot like her ex before Justin. Well, some people actually
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  Speaker 1: said that he looked like the perfect blend of Justin Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: which I don't know if that's a good thing or not.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't, like as in Morgan really gave across the
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  Speaker 1: impression that he wanted attention. He wanted Instagram followers. Whereas
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  Speaker 1: this guy, I suppose this is why I kind of
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  Speaker 1: like him despite not knowing anything about him. He seems
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  Speaker 1: a bit more understated. He doesn't seem like he wants
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  Speaker 1: fame and attention. Like the fact that Olivia didn't tag
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  Speaker 1: him And hasn't he got like a reasonable amount of
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  Speaker 1: Instagram followers, like a normal amount? Yeah, because of course
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  Speaker 1: some super sleuths have tracked him down and they sent
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  Speaker 1: it into influencer updates and she ended up posting a
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  Speaker 1: screenshot of his Instagram. I won't say his full name
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  Speaker 1: because I'm trying to respect it, but his first name
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  Speaker 1: is Hugo. I do love that name. And you can
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  Speaker 1: see that he's got zero posts up and his page
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  Speaker 1: is on private. So you can see that he's clearly thought, fuck.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to get a lot of attention now being
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  Speaker 1: Olivia Rogers' boyfriend. I'm going to remove anything that could
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  Speaker 1: possibly be offensive or incriminating. But that looks more guilty almost.
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  Speaker 1: It does, but I can see why he's doing it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's made it private as well. It's clear
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  Speaker 1: that he's not into some social media career, which I like.
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  Speaker 1: But I want to see his photos of him with
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  Speaker 1: like the fish from 10 years ago. Do you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean? I want to see like- Or his ex-girlfriends.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, so is he from Perth or he just went
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  Speaker 1: to Perth with her?
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  Speaker 2: I did.
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  Speaker 1: I had to do a bit of a stalk, but-
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  Speaker 1: It came up with a LinkedIn profile and I didn't
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  Speaker 1: really want my name popping up. So I didn't click
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  Speaker 1: on it. There's potential that he could have played for
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  Speaker 1: the waffle over there. I'm not a hundred percent sure
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  Speaker 1: because I couldn't tell if it's him in the photos.
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  Speaker 1: Now that's football. Yeah. So it's not quite clear. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure we will find out more about him soon though.
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  Speaker 1: But what is clear is that Olivia is a relationship girl.
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  Speaker 1: She is often criticized for jumping too quickly into a relationship.
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  Speaker 1: But my counter argument to that is that she's in
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  Speaker 1: her mid-30s, well, early 30s. She's looking for a relationship.
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  Speaker 1: She wants to settle down and have a family. And
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  Speaker 1: when you're in your 30s or 40s, that's when you
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  Speaker 1: get to know people quicker. You get to know if
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  Speaker 1: they're the right person for you. So I'm really happy
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  Speaker 1: for her that she's found someone new. What's interesting timing,
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  Speaker 1: because it appears Olivia's ex, Justin, may have called it
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  Speaker 1: quits with his girlfriend, who's former Bachelor contestant Tani Leeson.
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  Speaker 1: There has been no official breakup announcement, but they have
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  Speaker 1: simply disappeared from one another's socials and they've removed all
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  Speaker 1: of their posts together, which is a bit of a
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  Speaker 1: telltale sign. Yeah, I think that it's definitely on the rocks.
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  Speaker 1: There was also some speculation that on the same day
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  Speaker 1: that Olivia appeared at the Beauty and the Beast premiere
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  Speaker 1: with Hugo, That Morgan was trying to soft launch someone,
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  Speaker 1: like there was someone in the background of his table shot. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: that burger photo, yeah. Again, I don't know if he
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  Speaker 1: was just having a burger with a friend and people
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  Speaker 1: were reading too much into it. Now, listen, all we've
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  Speaker 1: got to do is get him refusing to speak to us,
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  Speaker 1: get a bit of hustle and bustle, jiggle the camera,
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  Speaker 1: and then we can just piss off out of here, okay?
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  Speaker 1: It's Martin D'Estasio here from Frontline.
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  Speaker 2: Now, why won't you speak to us about the $ 250, 000
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  Speaker 2: that's gone missing from your client's trust funds?
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  Speaker 1: All right, come in. This is the bit we can't use, right?
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  Speaker 1: The bastard opens the door on us. No, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: Wait a minute. Let's just reverse the footage and boom.
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  Speaker 1: Bastard slams the door in your face. Seven News has
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  Speaker 1: reportedly instructed its journalists to forget about ratings and concentrate
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  Speaker 1: on making TikTok videos. It comes as Meta threatens to
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  Speaker 1: block news from Facebook and Instagram in Australia amid a
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  Speaker 1: bargaining war. This is so weird. When I saw this
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  Speaker 1: pop up in my newsfeed, I thought, hasn't this already happened?
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  Speaker 1: Because back in 2021, Meta went rogue and they blocked
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  Speaker 1: all Australian news content from Facebook and Instagram for eight days.
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  Speaker 1: It was such a weird time because we were in
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  Speaker 1: the thick of the pandemic. And to me, news had
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  Speaker 1: never been more important than ever. Everyone was on their
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  Speaker 1: Facebook Live watching all the updates. Yeah. And it was
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  Speaker 1: so odd because it felt like everything just went quiet
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  Speaker 1: and that we were cut off from the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the world. And I really think that it made Facebook
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  Speaker 1: seem quite irrelevant because all I was seeing were older
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  Speaker 1: family members posts or memes. Like that was it. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the blackout was in response to the federal government creating
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  Speaker 1: a news media bargaining code. which suddenly required Meta to
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  Speaker 1: start paying media organisations to use their content. And prior
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  Speaker 1: to that, Meta wasn't paying a cent. Now, despite them
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  Speaker 1: swinging their dicks around and blocking all Australian news, their
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  Speaker 1: power move really didn't work because eight days later, they
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  Speaker 1: signed a three-year deal with the federal government agreeing to
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  Speaker 1: pay up. And this was a huge lifeline for media
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  Speaker 1: outlets at the time because they were struggling massively with
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  Speaker 1: the downturn in advertising dollars. Yeah, and as part of
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  Speaker 1: the deal, Meta and Google paid out an estimated $ 200 million,
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  Speaker 1: and that is yearly to media outlets. Now, Meta has
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  Speaker 1: made it abundantly clear from day dot that they are
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  Speaker 1: not happy about this deal. And in March, the media's
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  Speaker 1: fears were confirmed when Meta issued a statement saying it
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  Speaker 1: would not be renewing the deal. And this deal only
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  Speaker 1: officially ended a couple of days ago at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the financial year. So in a statement, the tech
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  Speaker 1: giant rubbed salt in the wound further saying its users
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  Speaker 1: aren't going to Facebook or Instagram for news or political content,
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  Speaker 1: and it's going to be investing money elsewhere. What's got
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  Speaker 1: to hurt on top of that is that Meta has
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  Speaker 1: had its best quarter ever globally. So they have made
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  Speaker 1: $ 65 billion in revenue. This is such a massive blow
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  Speaker 1: for the Australian media. And in the wake of the
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  Speaker 1: deal expiring, Seven have already begun swinging the axe. So
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  Speaker 1: they've informed 150 staff last week that they would lose
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  Speaker 1: their jobs. So it seems like Seven's strategy is we
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  Speaker 1: need to get rid of those people on big paychecks.
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  Speaker 1: packets because they need to try and save more than
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  Speaker 1: $ 100 million across the business. Yeah, they let go of
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  Speaker 1: three senior members of its executive leadership team last week,
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  Speaker 1: which would have wiped off maybe a couple of million dollars. Yeah,
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of changes taking place at
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  Speaker 1: Seven which all seems to have followed the Bruce Lerman case, interestingly.
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  Speaker 1: So we've seen six members of Seven's leadership team that
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  Speaker 1: have departed, including big names like James Warburton, Bruce McWilliam,
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  Speaker 1: Craig McPherson. There's also been a lot of change in
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  Speaker 1: the newsroom. So they've hired new news directors. There's also
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  Speaker 1: been movement of different news directors from different states. So
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  Speaker 1: it seems as if They've potentially brought new people in
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  Speaker 1: to do the dirty work of actually getting rid of
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  Speaker 1: the staff. Yeah, because you're not going to want people
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  Speaker 1: who have existing relationships with longstanding staff members to go
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  Speaker 1: and have to make those tough calls. They also have
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  Speaker 1: a new chief executive called Jeff Howard, and he has
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  Speaker 1: quite a task ahead of him because not only is
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  Speaker 1: he having to navigate marketing dollars, which are down, but
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  Speaker 1: It also comes as Seven has faced a lot of
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  Speaker 1: backlash from controversy around the Bruce Lehman spotlight interview. And
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  Speaker 1: more recently, there are reports that Four Corners is doing
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  Speaker 1: an expose into the network. Yeah, and Nine are no
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  Speaker 1: stranger to controversy either. So they're struggling at the moment
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  Speaker 1: after accusations against their former head of news, Darren Wick,
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  Speaker 1: came out. So he's been accused of inappropriate behaviour, which
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  Speaker 1: he has denied, but it's really not a good look.
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  Speaker 1: And it makes me wonder... Is this one of the
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  Speaker 1: reasons why young people aren't so in tune with the news?
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  Speaker 1: Are we sick of hearing these horror stories coming out
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  Speaker 1: of these networks? I mean, when you flick on the news,
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  Speaker 1: you don't want to be thinking about, oh, what's that
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  Speaker 1: reporter done? Or, you know, what's going on at this network?
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  Speaker 1: I definitely think it makes a lot of young women
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  Speaker 1: in particular not trust news sources or not feel like
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  Speaker 1: they want to get their news from those news sources.
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  Speaker 1: Over the weekend, it's also been bad for Nine because
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  Speaker 1: they did announce that they would lay off up to
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  Speaker 1: 200 employees. So it's a very dark time for the
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  Speaker 1: media industry because not only are they losing a lot
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  Speaker 1: of money, but there are fresh threats that Meta could
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  Speaker 1: actually wipe Australian news from Facebook and Instagram again. So
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  Speaker 1: under the new code that was introduced in 2021, the
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  Speaker 1: federal government actually has the power to disengage Meta. So
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  Speaker 1: if we break that down, what that really means is
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  Speaker 1: under this code, the government can force Meta to continue
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  Speaker 1: paying news organizations. And if they don't, they will face
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  Speaker 1: fines of up to 10% of their local revenue. But
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  Speaker 1: in response to that, Meta has said, nah, fuck you.
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  Speaker 1: If you enforce that law, then we'll just get rid
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  Speaker 1: of news completely. So we won't have anything to pay for.
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  Speaker 1: That would be so bad for the Australian media because
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  Speaker 1: they really need social media to stay relevant because If
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  Speaker 1: you think about it, it really is our parents or
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  Speaker 1: our grandparents' generations that sit down and watch the nightly news.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's not part of what I do, like my
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  Speaker 1: nightly routine. I don't go and watch the 6 p.m. news.
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  Speaker 1: I will get my news from social media. So it's
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  Speaker 1: a bit of a double-edged sword because I think that
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  Speaker 1: meta are kind of bullshitting saying that young people aren't
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  Speaker 1: interested in news. We are interested in news. We are
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  Speaker 1: consuming it online. I mean, it's the only way I
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  Speaker 1: consume news. Yeah, but it's because I don't actually think
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  Speaker 1: that Meta agrees with that statement. I think that they're
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  Speaker 1: saying it because they know that the Australian media needs
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  Speaker 1: Facebook more than Facebook needs them. And I think that
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  Speaker 1: they know it's a way to play ball. I don't
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  Speaker 1: actually think they're bluffing though, because in August last year,
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  Speaker 1: Meta did the same thing to Canada. So they completely
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  Speaker 1: wiped Canadian news from their feeds. The thing is, as
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  Speaker 1: you say, Amy... TV has really fallen out of favor
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  Speaker 1: because it was once the place where big news broke.
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  Speaker 1: Like if a story like 9-11 happened, everyone was tuning
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  Speaker 1: in to watch it unfold. You know, obviously being TV news,
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  Speaker 1: it was a visual element. You could see things as
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  Speaker 1: they were happening. But now people can jump on their phones,
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  Speaker 1: go on TikTok, see the headlines that they want to see,
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  Speaker 1: see the stories that they're interested in. And stats do
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  Speaker 1: show and agree with you, Amy, that one in five
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  Speaker 1: Australians access their news through social media, with 70% of
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  Speaker 1: people accessing it through Facebook. So I definitely think people
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  Speaker 1: are still using Facebook for news content. Well, this week
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  Speaker 1: I read with great interest an article from The Advertiser.
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  Speaker 1: So they have said sources have told them that Seven
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  Speaker 1: News in Adelaide has instructed its journalists to forget about
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  Speaker 1: ratings and concentrate on making TikTok videos. So the article
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  Speaker 1: alleges that reporters are being asked to create TikTok content
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  Speaker 1: for every story they file. So this presumably would involve
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  Speaker 1: the journalist filming the story on their phone, writing it,
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  Speaker 1: voicing it, and then doing a piece to camera. This
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  Speaker 1: is a big ask. Yeah, I think it's not until
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  Speaker 1: you've worked as a reporter that you know How full
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  Speaker 1: on the job is because you would look at it
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  Speaker 1: from the outside and think, oh, we only have to
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  Speaker 1: produce a one minute story. Really? How long does that
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  Speaker 1: take to do? But the reality is that as a reporter,
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  Speaker 1: you're often sent on a number of different stories that day.
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  Speaker 1: You don't know which story is going to be your
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  Speaker 1: main story. You're out there chasing the story. So you're
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: door knocking people. You're looking for CCTV vision. You're going
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  Speaker 1: to press conferences. You're having to get overlay. But there's
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  Speaker 1: been a big change in news as well. Like since
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  Speaker 1: we left, they now expect all the journos to do
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  Speaker 1: crosses into the 4pm bulletin that they didn't always have
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  Speaker 1: to do. So it is kind of concerning because you think, well,
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  Speaker 1: something's got to give. Is the news content that they're
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  Speaker 1: putting out, is that going to suffer because everyone's worrying
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  Speaker 1: about doing an extra TikTok video? I actually think this
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  Speaker 1: is quite a clever move by Channel 7 and I
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  Speaker 1: think we'll see this across the board from other news stations.
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  Speaker 1: It's something that the ABC is already doing. They actually
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  Speaker 1: have dedicated TikTok reporters And with the fact that Meta
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  Speaker 1: is threatening to pull news from Facebook and Instagram, Seven
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  Speaker 1: knows that in order to stay afloat, they have to
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  Speaker 1: build their social media profile in the next best spot.
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  Speaker 1: And that is TikTok. Well, until TikTok gets taken down. Well, yeah. Well,
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  Speaker 1: hopefully that's not going to happen here, but they know
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  Speaker 1: that that's where young people are and they've got to
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  Speaker 1: tap into a new generation of news watchers. Yeah, because
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  Speaker 1: without social media... the news really is losing its power.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, as you said, it's losing advertising dollars. It's
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  Speaker 1: losing status because no one's tuning in and watching on TV.
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  Speaker 1: If it's to suddenly disappear from social media accounts like
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  Speaker 1: Facebook and Instagram, they're fucked. Yeah. The thing is TikTok
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  Speaker 1: is now being used as a search engine for news.
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  Speaker 1: A recent study showed that the percentage of users accessing
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  Speaker 1: news through TikTok has increased from 22 to 43%. So
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  Speaker 1: it's Clearly Seven knows that and they want to tap
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  Speaker 1: into it. And while we are all consuming news in
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  Speaker 1: a different way, I don't think it's stopped young people
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: from being interested in it. Because particularly when you look
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: at the war in Gaza, young people are really wanting
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: to stay informed. So they're seeking out TikToks to educate
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: themselves on what's happening in real time because they don't
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: necessarily trust traditional news sources. But the thing that's difficult
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: is in a lot of those cases, the people who
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: have created those videos are aren't traditional reporters. It could
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: be someone who's on the scene or a citizen journalist
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: or just someone who's got a large platform with a
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: big opinion. Yeah, it's hard to sort through fiction and
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: fact on TikTok and that's where news services have a
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: huge opportunity because they can stamp their authority on a
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: platform like TikTok. They also will have a big opportunity
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: to make some extra cash on there as well because
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: really social media is the future of advertising dollars.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Balancing career aspirations with the challenges of parenting is really hard.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: And when these big influencers go out of their way
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: to misrepresent their reality, it undermines the shared challenges we
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: all face as working mothers.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: An Aussie mum who goes by the handle It's Just
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Millie has called out large influencers for buying into the
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: trad wife trend. She said by doing so, they're undermining
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: the challenges working mums face. And she said that it's
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: contributing to this unrealistic expectations that are being put on
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: women in the workplace and also within family units. Now,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: she has decided to use Sarah's day as an example.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: So at the start of her video, she used a
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: clip of Sarah talking on Indy Clinton's podcast. Here's the clip.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: I'm a mum, like I'm a stay-at-home mum first. Yeah.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: For sure. So in this interview, Sarah spoke in length
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: about how she was once caught up in running her
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: business but now has stepped back to focus on being
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: a stay at home mom. And she also spoke about
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: curating the perfect lunch boxes for her son and how
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: it's important for her to make homemade Play-Doh, et cetera.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, for anyone who's listened to this interview, I
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: don't think Sarah was intending to come across like this
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: to Indy, but Indy's obviously known as being this chaotic
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: mom and she shares her lunch boxes too, but she
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: sort of just chucks in tiny teddies or a, you know,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: a Vegemite and butter sandwich and whatever. But when it
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: comes to Sarah's day, she's making, it's all homemade. She's
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: worked out like the nutrients and how much fats and,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: you know, it's very, I mean, it's just, I mean,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: let's be honest, the way that Indie does it is
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: much more relatable and likeable. Yeah. I mean, I don't
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: think Sarah was trying to judge her, but it kind
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: of came across that way. Like mum bragging in the schoolyard.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: In Millie's video, she said that ever since the rise
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: of Nara Smith, who is the it trad wife at
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: the moment, a lot of influencers, including Sarah, have been
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: jumping onto this trend. And it's all about being this
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: perfect wife and this perfect mother who cooks everything from
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: scratch for their kids. And Millie has around 6,000 followers.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: And this video attracted about 25 and one of those
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: viewers was Sarah's day and she wasn't particularly happy with
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: being an example of this yeah so she jumped into
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: the comment section to have her say and wrote while
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I respect your opinion and you're completely welcome to share
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: your thoughts I have always shared this truth of my
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: life since starting my channel in 2013. I'm not jumping
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: on a Nara Smith bandwagon. I have always said that
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: being a stay-at-home mom, like my own mother, has been
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: my greatest dream. So I have chosen to turn down
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: large work opportunities so I can stay at home and
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: be the main parent. I feel extremely blessed and grateful
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: to be able to now live this dream of mine.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: And also being a Christian, I believe it is biblical
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: that if we can do motherhood and wifely duties first. Sorry,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: but why does the phrase wifely duties make me want
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: to vomit in my mouth? She lost me at the start.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I thought, oh, at least she's being a bit more
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: respectful in this comment. But the ending, it doesn't sit
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: well with me. Like wifely duties, it's like this connotation that, oh,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: better get back in the kitchen and make some sandwiches
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: for your husband. Yeah. I mean, that is how it
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: comes across. And I think it probably makes a lot
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: of people feel uncomfortable because it's almost saying that if
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: you don't do that, that you're not doing the right thing.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: And she continued saying, I hope this makes sense. And again,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I just enjoyed speaking candidly and confidently that yes, I
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: have chosen to simplify my life since having kids and
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: live slow as they're only young once. This is not
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: a trend I have chosen to follow. More importantly, a
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: calling I feel honored to live now and enjoy. Not
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: everybody has the ability, like a lot of women might
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: want to live slow and, but People don't have the
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: financial means. I think sometimes this commentary just comes across
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: as really tone deaf. And privilege. I mean, I think
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: she's missed the complete point because what Millie was saying
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: is that these large influences are perpetuating a reality which
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: is not achievable for so many women. And they're also
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: missing out the point that, yes, they're a stay-at-home mum,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: but they're also a stay-at-home mum with an active income
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: working in the background because they're content creators and they
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: have the luxury of being able to really put out
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: a few short bits of content that's not a full-time job,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: that doesn't take huge hours of time, and they get
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: paid very handsomely for doing so. So they're able to
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: maintain this lifestyle for their kids. And part of their content–
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: very expensive produce that at the moment it is so
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: expensive to shop and buy healthy food. And part of
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: their content is also sharing what they're putting in their kids'
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: lunch boxes as well. Yeah. Like the irony, you'll be like,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I want to call it a lunchbox wanker because that's
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: kind of what I see it sometimes. I don't know. Again,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: I feel bad. I'm not trying to single people out,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: but when you're having to like, I think it's very
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: popular for like influencer mums to take a photo and
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: write like as if we don't have eyes write what
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: eat what each little bit of food is in the
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: section and it's always like this organic grain or like
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: two lollies or or an organic lot like it's just
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the biggest load of wank i'd like to add up
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: how much each of those lunch boxes cost as well
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: and how much the kids don't eat and throw in
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: the bin i bet hers i bet fox is like
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: you know please someone give me a fucking muesli bar,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: like trying to barter with his lunchbox with the other kids.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: And I want to know as well, like would you
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: be putting in that much effort if you weren't sharing
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: the aesthetics of the lunchbox online? Yeah. Is this a
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: one-off lunchbox or is this like an everyday thing?
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Let them write what they want. Continued on page five.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I mean I shall just rise above it. I shall
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: not let this thing affect me. Bastard! No, no, no! <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> No, no, further, further.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Patsy said... 47. I'll kill you! Former Bachelor contestant turned
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: influencer Bella Varelas has named and shamed a follower who
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: made vile comments about her in an Instagram DM mishap.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: So the follower thought she was forwarding Bella's story onto
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: a friend. Oh, God. But instead, she replied directly to
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: her story, writing, I would kick her if I ever
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: saw her. Now, Bella responded and she asked the woman,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: why would you follow someone you physically want to harm? Well,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: good question. Yeah. So rather than apologizing, the follower attempted
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: to engage in more conversation, which led Bella to share
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: a screenshot of the exchange to her 104,000 followers. So
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Bella wrote, honestly, some people on the internet are horrific.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I'm honestly disgusted that someone would actually verbalize wanting to
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: physically harm another human being. You have no idea what
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: someone is going through mentally and a small negative comment
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: can send someone into a spiral. How were you raised?
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: And yes, I'm naming and shaming because if you aren't
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: happy having your name put to the words that have
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: come out of your mouth, or that you have written,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: then you shouldn't say them at all. Now, this comment
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: about kicking her, if you saw her out in public,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: it was in response to a fit check that Bella
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: had done in public. So she was, in the video,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Bella was showing off her outfit and someone walked past
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: and she'd said how embarrassing it was. So, I mean...
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I don't, I just, it doesn't make any sense to
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: me why someone would forward that on and say, oh,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I'd kick her if I saw her in public. Like
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: she was being quite modest and saying it was embarrassing moment. Yeah.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: It's disgusting for her to make that comment, especially in
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: the current climate, like to be talking about physically harming
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: another woman. It's pretty appalling. But I also don't understand
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: why do people keep accidentally replying to stories with their
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: like bitchy comments? Like it's pretty clear that's the forward
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: button and like the other button is reply. Well, yeah,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: to be fair, like if ever I forward someone's story
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: on and want to share it with a friend and
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: have a bit of a comment, I am so careful.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I'm not sharing comments like this follower did,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: but you know, even if you're, even if I quite
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: often send, if I see Olivia Rogers in a pretty outfit,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I'll send it to one of my friends and be like,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: oh my God, where did she find this? But still
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: it would be mortifying to send a comment directly to
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: the person. What do you think about the whole naming
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: and shaming though? I personally don't have a problem with it,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: particularly when someone has threatened violence in this way. I
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: think that I get that she didn't intend for the
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: message to be sent directly to the person. And it
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: is difficult because you can never understand tone or that
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: person's sense of humor. I mean, this could have been
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: said in a lighthearted way. But I think that she
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: wasn't very apologetic when Bella went back to her and
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: asked for an explanation. So I think that if you're
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: willing to write a comment like this, you should also
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: be open to having your name put out there. Well,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: like whatever you write online, whether it is you think
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: it's in private or whatever, It could potentially come out.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: So you've got to be so careful. Well, there are
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: so many people as well that like if you go
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: on Facebook and you look at the comments on an
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: article or even if you go into your DMs and whatever,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: there are these vile people who feel like they can
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: just comment on anything that they like and that there's
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: no ramifications. And a lot of the time these people
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: have up profile pictures of them with their kids. Hashtag
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: be kind. Yeah. And the reality is that if you
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: are receiving messages like this a lot, I can see
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: why she would have cracked and gone, fuck it. I'm
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: naming and shaming. The thing is though, she could have
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: got her message across, which was, you don't know what
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: other people are going through, so please be kind, without
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: sharing this person's name. Well, it can seem a bit
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: contradictory because you don't know what's going on in the
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: other person's life. But as you said, Amy, I am
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: getting sick of people feeling like they can hide behind accounts.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: And if someone has a public profile, they're not allowed
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: to say anything or like you should be accountable for
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: your own actions. And I think in this day and age,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: people shouldn't be allowed to hide behind fake accounts. I
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: know this isn't what's happened now. This was her real account,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: this woman's account, like it had a full name and everything.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: And this incident has sparked debate around doxing. And so
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: doxing refers to the act of deliberately exposing an individual's identity,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: personal information, or private details online without their consent with
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: the view to punish. So In March this year, it
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: was a real hot topic because Prime Minister Anthony Albanese
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: announced he was actually pushing to criminalise the act of doxing.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: And this was after the details of a WhatsApp group
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: involving hundreds of Jewish Australians were published online. So the
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: new laws are expected to form part of already planned
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: changes to privacy laws, with reports that those found guilty
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: of doxing could serve jail time. Can I ask, but
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: what about those who were found guilty of bullying and
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: humiliating people online behind fake accounts or their own accounts. Like,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: why is there no punishment for that? But there's punishment
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: for people doxing those people. That's what I'm confused about. Well,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: there are laws around that, but I think what- Well,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: there's defamation laws, but at the end of the day,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: some of these laws are so loose and it's happening
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: all the time that it's hard for there to actually
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: be any ramifications. Yeah. Well, you mentioned defamation and I
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: think there's going to be a lot of confusion when
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: these laws come into effect because Doxing is very different
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: to defamation. And we see a lot of people online
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: who throw around accusations of defamation. So unlike defamation laws,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: doxing doesn't involve spreading false or damaging information. It involves
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: disclosing information that is accurate. So someone's address, their contact details.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter if you legally obtain the information.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: It is still considered doxing someone. Now, interestingly, the new
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: doxing laws will include exemptions for public interest journalism. which
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: is really important. So that means that journalists will be
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: able to expose injustices, but it's going to be an
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: interesting one to police because then you have to look at, well,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: what defines someone's who is a journalist? Is it only
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: someone who works for a major media or news organization?
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Because as we were discussing before about TikTok, there's so
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: many citizen journalists, or there's just people with large following
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: that likes to share their opinion on different news stories.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: So it does become quite complicated. In the case of Bella,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: she shared this woman's name to 104,000 people. And while
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: she didn't share false information because it was a screenshot
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: of their conversation, it could be viewed that Bella was
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: enticing her followers to contact the woman and harass her.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: So I can see why there has been debate around
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: her actions. Yeah, I think we're going to be seeing
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: even more conversations about doxing in the coming weeks because
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Influencers aren't shying away from naming and shaming people and
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: taking the power back into their own hands. And I
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: think it is because some people are taking things too far.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: If you look into the proposed laws and current cyber
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: safety legislation, Bella and other influencers have a reasonable defense
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: for naming and shaming. So in the case of Bella,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: her language wasn't threatening. So she could argue that her
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: actions didn't constitute menacing behavior. She could also say that
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: her actions weren't offensive as they were keeping within generally
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: accepted moral norms because she was literally calling someone out
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: for exhibiting threatening behaviour. And there are other defences for
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: doxing which include duress, necessity and self-defence. Well, she might
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: have seen this as self-defence considering this woman was threatening
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: to kick her on the street if she saw her. Well,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: what concerns me most about these laws is the impact
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: on freedom of speech. So... Sometimes there are legitimate reasons
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: for holding someone accountable for hypocritical or even malice behavior.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: But also, what are you supposed to do as an influencer?
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: If this one person is tenually bullying you, they don't
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: care when you try and speak reason to them. They
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: don't care if you legally threaten them. For some people,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: having their name exposed is going to be the only
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: thing that brings shame upon them and makes them stop. Well,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: and there is a big difference between what Bella did
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: and other cases of doxing. And there needs to be
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: a clear differentiation because this proposed law is an important one.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: There have been cases where people have been harassed and
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: doxed for disagreeing with the attitudes or opinions of particular groups.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: And we have seen women targeted, especially, for example, there
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: were some women in the who called out issues of
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: sexism and then suddenly they were receiving death threats and
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: also sexual assault threats after their names and contact details
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: were posted everywhere. And this is a very serious issue
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: of doxing. So there needs to be some differentiation between
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: somebody calling someone out for threatening behaviour and a legitimate
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: case of doxing like this. Yeah, but this is also
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: going to be very difficult to police and it's only
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: those with money who will really be able to take
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: things further. Mm-hmm. Imagine delivering photos to us of the
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: night before our welcome party like this. But then get
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: delivered photos of your wedding day and you look like this. Now,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: we love a bit of TikTok drama, and this time
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: it involves a woman who has been dubbed the sepia bride.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: You suggested this story to me. You're like, oh, have
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: you heard of this sepia bride? I said, oh my God,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: my whole Saturday night I spent going through all of
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: her videos. And I felt for this woman because- You
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: spend so much money on your wedding photos and you
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: just want to look nice. You've invested so much time
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: and energy into looking nice. And when you get photos
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: back and you feel like the photos don't reflect how
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: you looked on the day or it wasn't how you
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: imagined yourself to look, it can be heartbreaking. Yeah. Well,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: this bride, Alexandra Joy Conda, she has gone viral after
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: complaining about her wedding photos. So she claimed the wedding
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: photographer's sepia colour grading turned everything orange. She said it
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: muddied her makeup and it made her teeth look yellow.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: It did make her teeth look yellow. Like I saw
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: these photos and she's a very attractive woman. She had
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: beautiful bright teeth in all of her TikTok videos, the
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: brightest white teeth. And then when it came to some
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: of her wedding photos, it wasn't all of them. It
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: had this ghastly sepia filter, which as you say, Amy
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: gave her yellow teeth that made her look like she
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: had bags under her eyes. I would have been livid.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: It was very unflattering. And I think What's happened is,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, for some of you, some of you may know,
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  Speaker 1: I work as our content creator at our business, Hula Media.
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  Speaker 1: And recently I took photographs for a wedding. And I
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  Speaker 1: think what's happened is this woman, this photographer, she obviously
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  Speaker 1: has presets that she adds to her photos and you
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  Speaker 1: do take thousands of photos on the day. And I
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  Speaker 1: think she has applied this preset to every photo, but
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  Speaker 1: she hasn't gone in and tweaked all of them appropriately.
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  Speaker 1: Which is what you've got to do. Yeah. And it
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  Speaker 1: comes down to lighting because that preset might look amazing
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  Speaker 1: when you're backlit and it's all golden and beautiful. But
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  Speaker 1: it seemed to be that when this bride was having
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  Speaker 1: her ceremony, it was very downcast. It was dark colors.
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  Speaker 1: And this particular golden coloring didn't look great on the photos.
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  Speaker 1: The thing that gets me is this bride paid $ 8, 000
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  Speaker 1: for her wedding photographer. She also had the photographer come
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  Speaker 1: and take photos of her wedding rehearsal. This judging by
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  Speaker 1: the wedding, this woman has a lot of money. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that the photographer has realized this because
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  Speaker 1: when the bride complained and said, I'm sorry, these photos
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  Speaker 1: aren't good enough. I don't like the filters. Can I please,
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  Speaker 1: can you please edit some more? Cause she did actually say,
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  Speaker 1: I like some of them. Yeah. Please edit these ones.
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  Speaker 1: I really hate them. The photographer has turned around and said,
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  Speaker 1: that'd be $ 4, 000. Thank you. Well, I think she initially
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  Speaker 1: gave her a few edits for free or for a
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  Speaker 1: smaller fee But then she said she wanted the raw files,
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  Speaker 1: which is the completely unedited files. And I think a
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  Speaker 1: lot of photographers aren't really willing to give across these
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  Speaker 1: photos because when you shoot in raw, the photos don't
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  Speaker 1: look anything like, you know, like what you'd expect. You've
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  Speaker 1: got to color grade everything. Yeah. And I think that,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's outrageous that she asked for $ 4, 000.
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  Speaker 1: If it was me, I just want to make the
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  Speaker 1: bride happy. And it almost felt like she was gatekeeping
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  Speaker 1: these raw files, which are, The bride's memories, like it's
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  Speaker 1: not like she's done a campaign for a huge company.
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  Speaker 1: And because some photographers will say that this is my
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  Speaker 1: intellectual property, these raw files. But this is someone's wedding.
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  Speaker 1: This is their memories. I think in this case, you
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  Speaker 1: hand them over. The bride ended up getting a few
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  Speaker 1: raw photos back. And in one of the videos, she
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  Speaker 1: showed the comparison of the sepia filter and then her
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  Speaker 1: own filter that she had created. And it cracked me
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  Speaker 1: up because she's like, I've never used Photoshop before. I
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  Speaker 1: have no idea about filters. And I have studied. This
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  Speaker 1: is the commitment for a bride. I have studied to
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  Speaker 1: make sure that I put a good filter on this.
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  Speaker 1: And this is because no one else gives a fuck
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  Speaker 1: about your wedding photos once you've posted the first one.
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  Speaker 1: But as the couple, you really care because you want
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  Speaker 1: one nice photo to put on the wall. Well, there's
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  Speaker 1: obviously two sides to it. Some people are very much
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  Speaker 1: team bride sepia and other people are team photographer. And
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: the people who are team photographer are saying, well, if
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  Speaker 1: you look at her Instagram, so her name is Hannah Elise,
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  Speaker 1: her Instagram promotes her photo style as being golden. And
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  Speaker 1: when you look at the catalog of her work, all
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  Speaker 1: of her photos have a golden theme to them. So
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of confusing what the bride was expecting. But
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  Speaker 1: in all honesty, the photos on the photographer's Instagram are
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  Speaker 1: It was poles apart from what that girl received, like
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  Speaker 1: from what the bride received. I mean, it wasn't just
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  Speaker 1: a sepia colour because when I think of sepia, I
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  Speaker 1: think of like yellows and oranges. Like this was harsh
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  Speaker 1: greens as well as orange, like the most non-bridal filter
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  Speaker 1: that you'd ever want to see because when I think
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  Speaker 1: of bridal, I think of bright whites and sort of
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  Speaker 1: muted tones and, you know, I don't think of green
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  Speaker 1: and orange and yellow. No. No. You're a monster. I'm
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: not the monster. Here you are. Now tell me, where
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  Speaker 1: are the others? A US woman has gone viral after
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  Speaker 1: appearing in a TikTok Vox Pop. Hayley Welsh was out
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  Speaker 1: with friends when she was approached by a TikToker and asked,
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  Speaker 1: what was one move in bed that makes a man
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  Speaker 1: go crazy? This is what she said. It's funny because
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  Speaker 1: I hadn't come across this girl in my algorithm. And
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  Speaker 1: I spoke to a lot of female friends and they
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  Speaker 1: were saying, oh, I haven't heard this either. But it
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  Speaker 1: was actually... our partners and some male friends were like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my God, this would be great for your podcast. And- Well, no,
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  Speaker 1: because Dale came home and he was like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 1: have you seen that hooked up like girl that's gone viral?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, what on earth are you talking about?
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  Speaker 1: And then, yeah, another friend of mine was telling me
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  Speaker 1: about it. I said, this is honestly not popped up
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  Speaker 1: in my algorithm at all. Yeah, I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: it's clear why this is being pushed to men. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: what's crazy is the original TikTok video, it has had
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: over 1 million views and 136,000 likes. But it's when
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: people started sharing this clip as a meme when it
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: actually went off. So there's been some videos made where
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: people will make the noise in front of their partner
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  Speaker 1: and then they'll film their partner's reaction. There's also a
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: lot of remixes going around on TikTok and even big
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: companies like In-N-Out Burger, Live Golf League and the WWE
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  Speaker 1: have gotten involved and they've done their own memes. And
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: ahead of last Thursday's presidential debate, The Daily Show also
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: posted a video on X. which juxtaposed the hook tart
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  Speaker 1: video alongside clips of Donald Trump and it made it
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  Speaker 1: look like the pair were arguing. I bet this girl
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: cannot believe the reach that this video has had. I
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: felt really sorry for her because there were reports coming
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: out that she worked as a kindy teacher and that
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: she'd subsequently lost her job since this went on. viral.
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  Speaker 1: But it turns out that these were fake reports which
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: were made by a satirical account very similar to Batuta Advocates,
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  Speaker 1: sort of the US version. Yeah, and in reality, it
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  Speaker 1: sounds like Hayley has done a great job at capitalising
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  Speaker 1: off this newfound fame. So she has partnered with a
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: brand manager called who had begun selling Hukta emblazoned hats
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  Speaker 1: for 50 US dollars each. Take a shot every time
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Amy says Hukta. Well, they've apparently already made around 100,000
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  Speaker 1: US dollars from the merchandise. It is unclear, though, what
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: cut Hayley is getting. Do you think that there's potential
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  Speaker 1: that Hayley could have purposely tried to create this viral moment? Because,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you cast your minds back to the
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  Speaker 1: chick chick boom girl in Australia, like, That was everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: And she gained a lot of notoriety and it turned
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  Speaker 1: out to be fake. Like she hadn't even seen the incident.
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  Speaker 1: She made the whole thing up to get attention. Are
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: you saying that that's not her favorite move in the bedroom, Sophie?
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  Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying? Well, potentially, potentially she's just
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: done it for attention. But I mean, I think that there's,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, you see it all the time. TikTokers create,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, they, you know, a lot of TikTokers will
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: interview fake people it goes back to being on radio
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  Speaker 1: like when i used to work in radio they'd be
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: like oh shit can someone ring up and have a
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: fake story on it like i do question the genuineness
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  Speaker 1: of a lot of these viral moments i think it
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: was genuine and i think that that's why it has
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  Speaker 1: gone viral i don't think anyone expected it to go
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  Speaker 1: so viral and for it to be so talked about
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  Speaker 1: i mean she has just launched an instagram account and
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  Speaker 1: in the last few days it's gained over 226 000
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  Speaker 1: followers wow Interestingly, it has listed her profession as being
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: a bartender, not a kindergarten teacher. Is it under her
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  Speaker 1: name or is it something to do with this term? No,
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  Speaker 1: it's official Hayley Welsh name. And what's hilarious is it's
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: just come out today that people are saying that the
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Simpsons predicted the hook-ta girl. Every time there's a big moment,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: it's always like, oh, the Simpsons predicted it. But do
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  Speaker 1: you remember when Bart fell in love with his babysitter
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  Speaker 1: and then this moment happened? I was going to tell
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  Speaker 1: your fortune. Huh? Oh, man. You're going to be rich. Whoa.
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  Speaker 2: There's your mansion.
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  Speaker 1: There's a tennis court. And there's a swimming pool. That
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  Speaker 1: is classic. They have called everything, haven't they? It's ridiculous. Well,
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