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GUILTY! RACHEL MORIN'S KILLER AWAITS SENTENCING · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Bombshell verdict in the case of an illegal immigrant accused
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Speaker 2: of the rape and murder of a beautiful young mother
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Speaker 2: of five, Rachel Morin. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us. An illegal migrant found
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Speaker 2: guilty of quote, viciously raping and murdering a Maryland mom
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Speaker 2: of five, Rachel Morin. After the jury deliberated less than
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Speaker 2: an hour, Victor Martinez Hernandez, twenty four, convicted guilty a
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Speaker 2: first degree murder, first degree rape, first degree sex offense,
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Speaker 2: and kidnapping. This after Rachel, thirty seven, was murdered along
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Speaker 2: a hiking trail about thirty miles northeast of Baltimore.
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Speaker 1: Again, the guilty verdicts.
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Speaker 2: Handed down in less than an hour of deliberation. Martinez
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Speaker 2: Hernandez said to spend the rest of his life behind bars.
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Speaker 2: What were the facts that convinced this jury?
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Speaker 3: Trail mom Rachel Morin's killer caught in a Tulsa bar.
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Speaker 3: The suspect, Victor Hernandez, on the run from his native
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Speaker 3: El Salvador for yet another murder. Today, Rachel Morin's mom
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Speaker 3: speaks out.
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Speaker 2: You know everywhere I look I see him. I see
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Speaker 2: him everywhere I look. Why do I have to keep
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Speaker 2: seeing him? I want to see Rachel Moron. Beautiful on
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Speaker 2: the inside, beautiful on the outside, no question about that,
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Speaker 2: But in my mind, more important than her striking beauty,
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Speaker 2: she is the mother of five, the mother of five children,
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Speaker 2: and before that, she was a daughter to a wonderful mom.
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Speaker 1: Patty mourn, Miss Moran. Thank you for being with us,
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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, Miss Moran.
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Speaker 2: How did you learn that Rachel's killer had been caught?
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Speaker 2: Because this was a man hunt like no other, crossing
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Speaker 2: borders all the way to Old Salvador.
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Speaker 4: Actually, the sheriff department reached out to our family and
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Speaker 4: had set up a meeting in their office to let
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Speaker 4: us know that they had identified the suspect and that
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Speaker 4: they were in the process of trying to locate him.
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Speaker 5: So at the time we weren't allowed to say anything.
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Speaker 4: They showed us a picture of him, and then we
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Speaker 4: were expecting that it would still take some time, but miraculously,
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Speaker 4: within hours after they informed us, they were able to
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Speaker 4: locate him and apprehend him.
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Speaker 2: Looking at this guy, he looks like if somebody you
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Speaker 2: might pass on the way to the subway or at
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Speaker 2: the grocery store. Little did everyone know, this guy with
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Speaker 2: the big smile laid in wait to catch Rachel, mother
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Speaker 2: of five, as she walked around the bend of the
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Speaker 2: Ma and Paw trail there near bel Air, Maryland. As
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Speaker 2: you can see, the bend in the trail gives him
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Speaker 2: perfect cover. He's like a hyena waiting at the waterpool,
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Speaker 2: waiting for the beautiful gazelle to come by and then pounce,
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Speaker 2: just waiting. Rachel had no idea what would befall her
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Speaker 2: that day. Tracking this guy, this guy, Victor Antonio Martinez
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Speaker 2: her Nandez, was no easy thing.
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Speaker 1: Listen, if he's come.
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Speaker 6: Under the radar through Haida, that means they may have
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Speaker 6: already had pre incident contact with this guy on other
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Speaker 6: types of crimes, narcotics investigations, or something to that effect.
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Speaker 6: The fact that the sheriff mentioned them the other day
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Speaker 6: as a partner who assisted in this case, that threw
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Speaker 6: me a red flag that, Okay, this guy had been
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Speaker 6: in this country. And now that big question is what
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Speaker 6: was he doing. Was he running dope? Was he working
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Speaker 6: for somebody? And maybe this is what gave him the
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Speaker 6: availability to travel around the United States and how he
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Speaker 6: ended up in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
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Speaker 2: Joining me in addition to Rachel's mother Patty, is renowned
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Speaker 2: psychoanalyst doctor Bethany Marshall joining us from La. Doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 2: I've tried so many cases where the victim was.
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Speaker 1: Involved in wrongdoing.
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Speaker 2: I've tried a lot of drug cases that turned into
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Speaker 2: homicide cases. But there are those singular cases. There are
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Speaker 2: those cases that strike me where it's such a dichotomy
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Speaker 2: of good versus evil. You have Rachel Morin, young, beautiful, happy,
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Speaker 2: a fantastic mother, and you know how I feel, Bethany.
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Speaker 2: There is no greater compliment to me than someone saying,
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Speaker 2: you know what, You're really a good mom. She devoted
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Speaker 2: herself to five children. You got her, and you got
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Speaker 2: this guy just trucking. Alawn Martinez Hernandez already killed one
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Speaker 2: person in El Salvador, sneaks over here, somewhere in the timeline,
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Speaker 2: he sex assaults a nine year old little girl. And
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Speaker 2: I'm telling you, Bethany, doctor Bethany, there are more victims,
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Speaker 2: be they in Virginia, in California, in Tulsa, where he
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Speaker 2: was apprehended. I'm not sure, but I do know this
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Speaker 2: these are not his only victims ecotomy I'm talking about.
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Speaker 2: You've got Rachel Morin, just beautiful, just beloved by her family,
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Speaker 2: her mother.
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Speaker 1: Who is with us today, and they got this guy.
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Speaker 2: And it makes me wonder this age old question, why
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Speaker 2: to our very best people fall victim to people like Hernandez.
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Speaker 1: Yes, good and evil, it's right there. And what I really.
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Speaker 7: Am struck by in this case is that this perpetrator
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Speaker 7: is what I would call poly perverse, and so this
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Speaker 7: makes this guy very, very dangerous. And the other thing
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Speaker 7: Nancy that strikes me is the enormous amount of energy
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Speaker 7: that goes into these crimes. This guy is not just
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Speaker 7: you know, in one town or one village and you know,
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Speaker 7: just sneaking out at night and killing or raping somebody.
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Speaker 3: This guy is traveling all over the world.
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Speaker 7: So if he hadn't been caught, we could have had
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Speaker 7: a total killing spree.
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what you mean by could have
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Speaker 2: had a total killing spree. I've got a victim in
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Speaker 2: El Salvador dead, Rachel Mooren is dead, a nine year
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Speaker 2: old girl has been raped, and I guarantee you there
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Speaker 2: are more dead bodies in his wake. The reason this
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Speaker 2: guy has been caught before he could kill again. Is
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Speaker 2: because of Rachel Moron and the publicity and the intent,
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Speaker 2: the iron will. Her mother had to see this thing through.
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Speaker 2: I don't know how many more victims there would be,
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Speaker 2: So I do know who and what Rachel Moron is.
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Speaker 2: She is the lady that moms want their girls to
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Speaker 2: grow up and be. That's who Rachel Moren is.
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Speaker 1: Who is this guy? Listen?
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Speaker 8: Five hours after meeting with the family, and just before
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Speaker 8: midnight our time police in Tulsa, Oklahoma, assisted by our
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Speaker 8: federal partners, located and arrested Rachel's murderer, Victor Antonio Martinez Hernandez.
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Speaker 8: So far, we have learned that the suspect now pictured
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Speaker 8: on the screens is a twenty year old, twenty three
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Speaker 8: year old citizen of El Salvador who illegally crossed the
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Speaker 8: border into the United States in February of twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 2: Mis moran, could you tell to our listeners who is Rachel?
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Speaker 2: I guess the backdrop of who is this guy Hernandez?
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Speaker 4: Well, Rachel from birth on has been this little spark,
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Speaker 4: like a little fireball. I remember her being like fourteen
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Speaker 4: to fifteen months old, and these very petite, fair skin,
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Speaker 4: bright orange hair, and she just loved life. She loved
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Speaker 4: learning new things. Everything excited her. The excitement wasn't learning.
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Speaker 4: But also she was very sensitive. She cared about people.
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Speaker 4: She cared about people's feelings. She was very compassionate. She
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Speaker 4: grew up to be just a wonderful woman. Balanced.
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Speaker 5: I loved her because she had She has.
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Speaker 4: A strong sense of herself and she didn't have a
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Speaker 4: problem disagreeing with mom because Mom's a little older and
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Speaker 4: more traditional.
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Speaker 5: But she was. But that's what made her who she was.
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Speaker 5: She knew who she was. She loved her children. She
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Speaker 5: devoted herself to her children. She was a hard worker.
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Speaker 2: Ms. Lauren, Can you tell me about Rachel's children and
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Speaker 2: how they have been with bonding to mommy being gone.
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Speaker 4: Yes, in the beginning, it was they lived in denial.
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Speaker 4: They couldn't understand why she was gone. They couldn't understand
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Speaker 4: why she couldn't come back. She has an autistic daughter
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Speaker 4: who's high on the spectrum, and her daughter just kept saying,
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Speaker 4: I just want my friend back, and she couldn't understand
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Speaker 4: that she couldn't come back to her. I know that
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Speaker 4: they've been getting a counseling and help in processing this.
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Speaker 4: But I think that it's going to be a long
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Speaker 4: time because they're still so young and so at different
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Speaker 4: points in their growth and in their maturity. They're going
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Speaker 4: to come back to this and kind of reprocess it.
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Speaker 4: So I think this is going to be a long
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Speaker 4: term thing for her children.
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Speaker 2: Patty how old is her youngest eight years old. There
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Speaker 2: are five of them. Have they been kept together or
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Speaker 2: did they have to be separated?
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Speaker 4: This five, they're all separated. Her oldest daughter has been
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Speaker 4: living with her fiance for the past two years or so,
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Speaker 4: and they're actually expecting their first baby, so Rachel's missing
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Speaker 4: the birth her first granddaughter. Then two of her children,
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Speaker 4: the next two in age, are with their father, which
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Speaker 4: is about an hour away from the rest of the family,
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Speaker 4: and then the youngest live in the area, so they
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Speaker 4: live with their fathers in separate places. But they do
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Speaker 4: try to come together a couple of times a month
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Speaker 4: to hang out for a weekend and to be with
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Speaker 4: each other. But it's very, very disheartening they have such
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Speaker 4: broken up family.
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Speaker 2: You know, until I had the twins, I you know,
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Speaker 2: I would hear people talk about the best thing that
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Speaker 2: ever happened to them was having a grandchild and being there.
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Speaker 2: The thought that I wouldn't be there to help my
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Speaker 2: daughter when she has a baby, or to help my son.
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Speaker 2: It's devastating the most important thing that happens to them
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Speaker 2: in their life, and she's not going to be there,
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Speaker 2: and that child is not going to have her. And
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Speaker 2: when I think about this woman, when I think about
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Speaker 2: Rachel Moore, and I was first when I heard about
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Speaker 2: her murder, I was just struck by her incredible physical beauty.
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Speaker 2: But the more I learned about her, she was completely
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Speaker 2: devoted to those children.
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Speaker 1: And who is he listened?
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Speaker 8: Victor Hernandez did not come here to make a better
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Speaker 8: life for himself or for his family. He came here
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Speaker 8: to escape a crime he committed, no salador. He came
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Speaker 8: here and murdered Rachel and God willing no one else.
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Speaker 8: But that should have never been allowed to happen.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Guilty, an illegal immigrant now convicted in the murder of
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Speaker 2: a beautiful young mother of five, guilty in her murder
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Speaker 2: and rape, the jury deliberating less than an hour. Patty Mooren,
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Speaker 2: along with her lawyer, also joining us Randolph Rice, who
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Speaker 2: is the family lawyer. I might add Vincent Hill joining
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Speaker 2: me in addition to doctor Bethany Marshall, Vincent Hill investigative,
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Speaker 2: reporter of Fox forty five in Baltimore and former police
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Speaker 2: officer in Private Eye. He's the author of playbook to
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Speaker 2: a Murder of Vincent. Thank you for joining. I want
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Speaker 2: to try and explain, but you're very familiar with the path.
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Speaker 1: How this guy, a predator.
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Speaker 2: Already murdered one woman back in El Salvador, already attacked
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Speaker 2: a mother and a nine year old little girl. How
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Speaker 2: he is waiting along this trail and this is not
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Speaker 2: a trail where nobody can say, you know, Vincent, How
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Speaker 2: people love to say, oh I would never have gone
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Speaker 2: walking on that trail by myself or everybody feels in
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Speaker 2: the blank right there. It drives me crazy. So they
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Speaker 2: can differentiate themselves from a violent crime victim.
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Speaker 1: Because it makes you feel safe. That's not going to
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Speaker 1: happen to you.
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Speaker 2: But this trail, Ma and Pa trail, it's a family trail.
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Speaker 1: Families are on it all the time. If you look.
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Speaker 2: Past those trees, there's an apartment complex and people access
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Speaker 2: it all the time. And I just want to point
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Speaker 2: out there is no way to insinuate that Rachel Moore
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Speaker 2: and in any way was acting negligently or recklessly. I
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Speaker 2: want to dispel that myth because I've heard it.
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Speaker 1: It's not true.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right, Nancy. I mean, if Rachel had any
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Speaker 9: inkling that something would have been best on that trail,
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Speaker 9: given her size, given the fact that she was alone,
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Speaker 9: she wouldn't have been there. Built on that particular day.
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Speaker 9: I'm sure there were hundreds of people out because the
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Speaker 9: weather was nice. This guy was lying in wait, he
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Speaker 9: had been to that trail, he'd maybe even seen Rachel before,
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Speaker 9: because we know that he had been in Maryland for
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Speaker 9: quite some time before he did what he did. So
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Speaker 9: Rachel was just going about her day and unfortunately she
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Speaker 9: was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and
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Speaker 9: she came across Victor Martinez, which ended her life.
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Speaker 2: You know, Vincent, I want to address something that you
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Speaker 2: just said. Of course, everything you said is usual, is accurate,
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Speaker 2: but you said, and I think it's because Rachel's mother
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Speaker 2: is with us. You said, he and you paused did
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Speaker 2: what he did. I've had to look jury's in the face,
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Speaker 2: little old ladies sitting on the jury and tell them
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Speaker 2: what happened. Rachel's mother knows what happened. You think I
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Speaker 2: want to hurt her. We have to be blunt. What
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Speaker 2: he did. He did what he did, you said, after
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Speaker 2: a long pause. He stalked her, he saw her. He
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Speaker 2: bludgeoned her, He beat in her face, and he raped her.
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Speaker 2: And he left her on that trail naked. He stole
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Speaker 2: this mother from her children in the most brutal fashioned
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Speaker 2: like an animal. That is what he did. And there's
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Speaker 2: no way to sugarcoat it. There's no way to airbrush
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Speaker 2: it or massage it into something else. And because of Rachel,
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Speaker 2: we know who he is and he is behind bars.
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Speaker 1: This is what happened. Listen.
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Speaker 10: There was a bend in the trail that most likely
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Speaker 10: was used by the individual who attacked Rachel in the
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Speaker 10: trail pulled her through the wooded area into this drainage culvert,
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Speaker 10: where she ultimately lost her life.
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Speaker 11: DNA evidence was collected by our Forensic Services Union. That
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Speaker 11: DNA was analyzed by the Maryland State Police and it
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Speaker 11: was ran through the National Code System DNA evidences. I mean,
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Speaker 11: this DNA evidence has come back as a match tied
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Speaker 11: to a home invasion and an assault of a young
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Speaker 11: girl in Los Angeles this past March. Unfortunately, that suspect
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Speaker 11: has not been positively identified, but he did leave behind.
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Speaker 1: His DNA and that was then.
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Speaker 2: This is now we got him due to an extensive
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Speaker 2: and hunt and incredible work by lab scientists in genetic
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Speaker 2: genealogy cutting edge DNA, we have Hernandez. I want to
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Speaker 2: go to our special guest, Patty Moren. This is Rachel's mother.
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Speaker 1: Ms.
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Speaker 5: Moran.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm so sorry what you've lived through, but I
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Speaker 2: know you're going to be front and center when this
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Speaker 2: goes to trial. How many times have you let yourself
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Speaker 2: lived through what Rachel experienced?
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Speaker 4: It's an everyday thing. Sad to say it, it's I know.
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Speaker 4: Part of grieving is you have to face the facts
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Speaker 4: and you have to process them. And until they apprehended
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Speaker 4: the suspect, it was easy to kind of live and
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Speaker 4: deny a little bit. But now that.
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Speaker 5: They have a suspect, it makes all the facts true
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Speaker 5: and you have to face the truth and accept it.
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Speaker 5: And so you have to.
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Speaker 4: Rethink what you've been told and process those thoughts and put.
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Speaker 5: A timeline to it. And it's very it's like, it's
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Speaker 5: so painful and grieving to think what my daughter experienced
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Speaker 5: and that there was no one there to help her.
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Speaker 12: You know, as moms, we want to protect our children,
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Speaker 12: and I have something so unexpected to happen, and for
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Speaker 12: us just not to be there, not able to help.
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Speaker 5: It's been a very it's just been it's been very hard.
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Speaker 5: I wasn't there to protect her or to help her,
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Speaker 5: but I want to be there after the fact, I
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Speaker 5: guess to make sure that absolutely everything is done for
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Speaker 5: her and that nothing is left undone.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, Randolph, I'm so glad you're there with Ms Moran.
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Speaker 2: I'm just so glad you're there, Randolph Rice, high profile
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Speaker 2: lawyer that's working with the Moron family. Just let me
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Speaker 2: go to Chris McDonough. He is the director of the
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Speaker 2: Cold Case Foundation. He has been working on this case
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Speaker 2: and investigating on his own, as we all have been.
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Speaker 2: Former homicide detective with no less than three hundred homicide investigations.
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Speaker 1: Under his belt.
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Speaker 2: I found him on YouTube on the interview room during
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Speaker 2: the Coburger investigation and was struck by his knowledge, his
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Speaker 2: intimate familiarity, but not only that case, but the workings
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Speaker 2: of a courtroom and Chris McDonough, I don't know if
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Speaker 2: you ever let yourself think about the suffering of the
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Speaker 2: victims that you and I have represented our whole careers,
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Speaker 2: if you can call what we do a career.
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Speaker 1: But Chris, I'm listening to Ms.
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Speaker 2: Morin and I have never been quite as brave as
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Speaker 2: she is being today, because when I think about my
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Speaker 2: fiance's murder, what happened in those moments that he was killed,
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Speaker 2: I stopped myself because to this day it gives me
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Speaker 2: an intense headache, a horrible headache when I start reliving
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Speaker 2: what I think happened. Crime victims never get away from it,
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Speaker 2: and I can't. Now that I've got children, I can't
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Speaker 2: imagine what a parent goes through. You heard Rachel's mom
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Speaker 2: describing you can't be there for your child, your baby,
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Speaker 2: you can't help them.
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Speaker 1: It's excruciating. How do you separate yourself from that? Chris?
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Speaker 6: You know I lost a child in two thousand and three,
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Speaker 6: and I don't think anybody quite understands, like Nancy's explaining
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Speaker 6: about the death of her fiance, what depth of pain
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Speaker 6: you can get to. But here's the other good news.
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Speaker 6: You can get through it, and you can empower yourself
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Speaker 6: that her life makes a difference to perhaps somebody else's
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Speaker 6: family that this never happens again to anybody else that
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Speaker 6: they have to and what you're experiencing, so it does,
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Speaker 6: you will be able to get through it.
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Speaker 13: And you know, I know that Nancy's given you an
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Speaker 13: amazing platform here to tell the nation. You know how
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Speaker 13: you're going to do that, and I commend you for
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Speaker 13: saying what you've said. Even this morning.
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Speaker 2: I want to go to special guests joining us. In
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Speaker 2: addition to Rachel's mother, it's Randolph Rice, high profile lawyer
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Speaker 2: who is helping the Morin family through this.
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Speaker 1: Randolph, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: You know, I tried a drug lord and the night
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Speaker 2: he was arrested, I'll never forget it. He was wearing,
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Speaker 2: oh on Michael Jackson, a bright red leather jacket and
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Speaker 2: matching pants, the highest Italian leather. He was wearing a
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Speaker 2: red shirt underneath it, and he was wearing red they
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Speaker 2: had to be five hundred dollars tennischeska and a red hat.
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Speaker 2: Of course that said guess what he wore. Of course,
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Speaker 2: he made bond because he had millions of dollars drug money,
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Speaker 2: but guess what he wore Day one to the trial
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Speaker 2: just guess yes, same thing, and that is what one
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Speaker 2: of the witnesses had described a red jacket, a red
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Speaker 2: leather jacket. What I'm saying is not just about the hat,
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Speaker 2: Randolph Rice, it's the fingerprint nature of the crimes, the similarities.
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Speaker 2: In both cases, he lie in wait for the right moment.
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Speaker 2: In both cases, he attacked a female. In both cases,
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Speaker 2: he's wearing the same thing. In both cases, there was
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Speaker 2: physical brutality. In both cases. He makes off casually. He
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Speaker 2: walked out of that house.
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Speaker 1: Like he owned it.
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Speaker 2: And I guarantee you he did the same thing in
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Speaker 2: Rachel's murder. The similarities of these cases and there's going
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Speaker 2: to be more. I just wonder if the case No
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Speaker 2: Salvador is as similar as that can be brought in
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Speaker 2: at trial as a similar transaction. I mean, if we're
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Speaker 2: going to go, Randolph Rice, let us go all the way.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 14: Now, you're right, And as you as a former prosecutor
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Speaker 14: and back in the day when I had a little
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Speaker 14: less gray hair, I remember prepping for these types of cases.
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Speaker 5: And you're right.
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Speaker 14: You have got to put together a timeline of where
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Speaker 14: he was leading up to this and where he was
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Speaker 14: after because there could be patterns, there could be similarities.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Finally, a guilty verdict in the case of a man
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Speaker 2: accused of viciously raping and murdering a Maryland mother of
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Speaker 2: five after a lengthy investigation that spanned the country. I'm
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Speaker 2: just wondering how you're getting through eight day? How do
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Speaker 2: you put your head on the pillow, How do you
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Speaker 2: make yourself fall.
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Speaker 1: Asleep when you wake up in the morning, What makes
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Speaker 1: you get out of bed?
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Speaker 5: Actually I haven't really slept at all in the last
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Speaker 5: ten months because you just you think about Rachel's life.
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Speaker 4: You think about all the details before she was murdered,
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Speaker 4: and you think, is there any any little detail that
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Speaker 4: I missed that could help in some way? And so
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Speaker 4: up until the suspect was apprehended, that's the way my
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Speaker 4: days were like, literally day and night. Is there anything
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Speaker 4: that I missed in her life that could have been helpful?
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Speaker 5: There is.
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Speaker 4: Now a sense of relief where before, to be honest,
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Speaker 4: I was afraid to go to sleep at night. Not
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Speaker 4: that I look like my daughter anyway, but I was
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Speaker 4: just as a woman, I just felt afraid, and I
27:15
Speaker 4: know our community did as well, especially the women and
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Speaker 4: so we've feel the sigh of relief, but now it's
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Speaker 4: still feeling exhausted.
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Speaker 5: And thinking what more can I do to help my daughter?
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Speaker 2: Chris McDonald joining me veteran law enforcement. I'm thinking about
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Speaker 2: what Patty Rachel Moren's mom is just saying. I know
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Speaker 2: there are going to be other crimes to connect him
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Speaker 2: to the best way, of course, is DNA, and his
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Speaker 2: DNA has already been entered into the National DNA Data Bank.
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Speaker 2: But there is also the fingerprint data bank where he
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Speaker 2: may not have left DNA or the DNA may not
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Speaker 2: have been preserved. There's a possibility of a fingerprint match
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Speaker 2: offer instance, a burglary that turned into an aggravated assault
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Speaker 2: or rate, a fingerprint on a car, a fingerprint anywhere
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Speaker 2: that I can connect him to a crime, and also
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Speaker 2: a digital fingerprint. Okay, this guy is, as we say now,
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Speaker 2: a migrant.
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Speaker 1: That's what we're saying.
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Speaker 2: Nobody is saying illegal alien apparently, so we're not going
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Speaker 2: to track him through his credit card or his Social
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Speaker 2: Security number.
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Speaker 1: That's not happening. But I guarantee you.
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Speaker 2: This, I guarantee you he had a top of the
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Speaker 2: line iPhone or Android.
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Speaker 1: Okay, this guy is involved with a gang.
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Speaker 2: He is in a gang notorious for crime.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you prosecuted gang cases. I did.
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Speaker 2: They're like a pack of animals. Human life means nothing
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Speaker 2: to them. And I guarantee you he was tricked out
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Speaker 2: with the best phone to keep in touch with his
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Speaker 2: gang buddies. All right, that's a way to trace him
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Speaker 2: where he has been, what he has been doing.
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Speaker 15: Yes, No, you are one hundred percent right, Nancy that
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Speaker 15: if this guy, you know, we first of all, we
29:27
Speaker 15: have some good information here number one, that he committed
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Speaker 15: this ferocious crime in El Salvador, and then at some
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Speaker 15: point he must have crossed, you know, into this country.
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Speaker 6: The question is how many times and did they ever
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Speaker 6: have contact with him? And if so, how does he
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Speaker 6: make it to La And that gang connection that you're
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Speaker 6: talking about is probably the most logical connection to this thing,
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Speaker 6: because that neighborhood where that first attack occurred is in
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Speaker 6: the seventy seventh division of lap That is one rough neighborhood.
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Speaker 6: Let me tell you, I've been there and we've served
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Speaker 6: many search warrants there, And so how does he blend
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Speaker 6: into that circumstance? And that gang affiliation is probably the
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Speaker 6: most likely that would make him a chameleon within that environment,
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Speaker 6: and why he was hidden for as long as he has.
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Speaker 2: Joining me is a very special guest. Patty Mooren is
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Speaker 2: with us. Rachel's mother. Ms. Moran, you are speaking to
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Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of parents who are suffering, and I
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Speaker 2: want you, as best as you can to explain what
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Speaker 2: you do when you feel overwhelmed by the loss of
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Speaker 2: your girl.
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Speaker 5: Honestly, I cry, I cry, and I pray.
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Speaker 16: I I know that different people have different religious affiliations,
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Speaker 16: but I believe in the Lord, and I believe that
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Speaker 16: God has a plan and a purpose even if we
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Speaker 16: don't understand it.
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Speaker 4: And I believe that God is good and that he
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Speaker 4: loves me. And so when things are very hard, I
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Speaker 4: go to the I go to the rock. He's my
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Speaker 4: solace and I just pray and pour my heart out.
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Speaker 5: To him and he comforts me. But then I also
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Speaker 5: have a close group of friends that have been such a.
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Speaker 4: Support these last few months, praying for our family, giving
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Speaker 4: encouraging words. Mister Rice, what an awesome man he is.
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Speaker 4: He is so good and so kind and so generous,
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Speaker 4: just really very good supportive people, And so I would
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Speaker 4: encourage anyone that's feeling pain from a loss, to get counseling,
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Speaker 4: to have a support group, a group of friends, maybe
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Speaker 4: grief share, and just to keep your friends close and
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Speaker 4: don't be afraid to feel your feelings and to process.
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Speaker 5: Them because you don't want to be stuck.
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Speaker 16: And it's healthy.
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Speaker 4: Even though it's very, very painful, it's healthy to process them.
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Speaker 4: And I want to make sure that I'm healthy for
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Speaker 4: my family, So I'm willing to feel the pain now
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Speaker 4: so that I'm not stuck and not moving forward from
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Speaker 4: my grain children.
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Speaker 2: It took less than an hour for a jury to
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Speaker 2: convict an illegal immigrant, Victor Martinez Hernandez, aged twenty four,
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Speaker 2: in their murder and rape of a beautiful young mother
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Speaker 2: of five, Rachel Morin.
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Speaker 17: Nancy, if I can jump in here, Victor Martinez Hernandez
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Speaker 17: will be sentenced in August. On the eleventh, a sentencing
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Speaker 17: hearing is scheduled, and during the hearing, Morn's family and
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Speaker 17: friends will have the opportunity to speak on the impact
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Speaker 17: of Moron's death. Until then, Nancy, the children of Rachel
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Speaker 17: Morin have filed a lawsuit against their grandmother and aunt.
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Speaker 17: The five children ranging in age from nine to nineteen,
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Speaker 17: claim they've not received any money from the GoFundMe account
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Speaker 17: started after Moren's death or any other donated money it gifts.
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Speaker 17: Nearly fifty five thousand dollars was donated for funeral expenses,
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Speaker 17: and according to the lawsuit, the remaining funds will be
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Speaker 17: given to Morin's children instead. They claim the money is
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Speaker 17: in an account controlled by Patty Moran and Rebecca Moran,
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Speaker 17: Rachel Moran's mother and sister. The accusations against the two
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Speaker 17: unjustin Richmond and fraud. Rachel's oldest daughter, nineteen year old
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Speaker 17: faving Man, who is the executor of her mom's estate,
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Speaker 17: along with Joseph Custer and Jonathan Alderson, the father of
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Speaker 17: Rachel's four other surviving children, filed the claim. They request
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Speaker 17: a quote full accounting of the funds raised and their
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Speaker 17: current disposition, and are asking the court to award both
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Speaker 17: compensatory and punitive damages. A similar lawsuit was dismissed months ago,
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Speaker 17: but we don't know why.
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Speaker 1: Our prayers with the Moron family. Goodbye friend,