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Tim Moore: Our Responsibility In This Moment To Resist Unrelenting Evil · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Well guys, welcome.
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  If you knew the story behind connecting with today's guest, Tim Moore, you would really
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  appreciate it, because we've had Nathan Jones on from Lamb and Lion Ministries several
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  times.
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  And Christ in prophecy.org is the website for those of you that aren't aware of their
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  ministry.
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  But it's so good to have Tim Moore.
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  Brother, thank you so much for coming on CEO of Lamb and Lion Ministries.
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  Thank you.
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  And senior evangelist.
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  Well, David has been a joy to get connected.
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  As you said, it was difficult at times for us to make this happen.
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  I think the devil was trying to interfere, but we have adapted and overcome as we now
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  are more than overcomers.
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  Amen, brother.
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  Really quick.
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  In 2013, I want to go back to part of your bio, Dr. Dave Reagan, he invited you to become
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  an evangelist with Lamb and Lion.
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  And in 2019, did you see it coming where it was their talk about you coming in and being
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  his successor or how did that transition go?
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  No, there was no dramatic talk.
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  I mean, David always said that if the Lord carried, he knew there would be a time when
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  he would have to pass the baton.
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  And so is he brought me on as an assistant evangelist?
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  I was glad to serve in that capacity.
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  I began leading all the pilgrimages that we host going to Israel in 2014.
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  And I traveled and spoke on behalf of the ministry, just proclaiming the Lord soon
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  return.
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  Yeah.
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  Spread forward a few years.
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  And Dave said, it's getting closer to time when I need to define the successor.
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  And he and I had not talked about that dramatically, although we became very, very close in those
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  years.
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  And then he said, I think I have found my successor.
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  And I said, well, I'm sure it's a good individual.
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  He said, no, I think it's you.
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  And I said, well, I was sure it was going to be somebody good, but nevertheless, he asked
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  and I said, I will pray and sure enough, the Lord affirmed.
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  And so it's been a great joy and honor to be able to follow in his footsteps.
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  And was there any of you feeling like maybe, wow, am I really qualified?
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  Because I think of that expression, God doesn't call the qualified.
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  He qualifies the called.
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  Did you think about that?
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  Well, I certainly did, David.
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  I mean, the idea of stepping into the shoes of David Reagan and trying to lead a ministry
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  and basically following his footsteps was very daunting.
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  And I got great counsel from several godly mentors, Tim Wildman over with American Family
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  Association is a good friend, Bob Russell up in Kentucky.
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  And they told me on their forget one particular bit of advice, don't try to be Dave Reagan.
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  You'll fail.
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  Only Dave Reagan can be Dave Reagan, be Tim Moore and the Lord will enable you to serve
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  with your gifts, whatever they are or whatever they lack.
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  And he will make sure that he gets the glory and the honor.
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  And that's been my goal all along, whatever gifts I have or don't have, I want to glorify
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  God to the utmost of my ability.
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  Wow.
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  I love American Family Association, by the way, kudos to all the work that they've been
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  doing through the years.
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  But that is great advice for even someone that's not filling a position of someone else,
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  even in their own ministry, don't try to be someone else, just, you know, God's gifted
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  you, whoever, you know, you are watching or listening to this and just be faithful to
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  what he's given you to do, be obedient.
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  Tim, you mentioned Israel and that you've been doing tours.
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  We know that things have changed since October 7th with what's going on there and it's
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  more dangerous.
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  You've got tours and like a lot of Christian organizations still have tours that are
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  going over there.
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  Most of them that you've got when coming up in November, you said it may or may not happen.
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  Tell us a little bit about that.
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  So we do one or two pilgrimages a year, we think it's a deep dive for anybody who loves
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  God's prophetic word to see with their own eyes that Bible prophecy is coming true in
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  our own day and age.
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  I mean, you can see the regathering of the Jewish people to Israel, the reestablishment
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  as a nation and God's providence and provision, his protection of his people gathered there
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  in the land.
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  And so it's a great blessing for anybody who goes.
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  We lost our trip earlier this year just with all the unrest and we are still uncertain
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  about our trip in November.
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  I hope that it continues.
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  We have made allowance to hopefully still go.
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  We have several who are signed up.
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  We do still have room and then we are planning to take two trips in 2025, one in mid June
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  and another in mid October.
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  And we go again just to show people not a historic tour.
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  We don't do a sightseeing tour.
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  We visit various sites, but always with an eye of demonstrating God's prophetic word coming
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  to life before your very eyes.
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  Awesome.
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  Awesome.
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  So glad that you guys do that and it's just so needed in this day and age for the church
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  to understand Bible prophecy, Israel, world history, but also the importance of supporting
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  Israel.
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  And we may talk a little bit more about that at the end of the podcast today, but it's
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  going by quickly.
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  You recently held a nation in free fall conference.
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  I'm looking over at Lamb and Lion Ministries under annual conference events at christinproficy.org.
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  You have the actual, is it the album of all the DVDs, all the speakers of the whole conference?
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  Is that available yet?
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  We do.
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  We have all of our speakers that are available there at our website.
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  You can get the complete DVD package of all the different presentations, including two
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  different questions and answer sessions.
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  So we began on Friday evening.
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  We were going to have Pastor Jack Gibbs and he was ill as a matter of fact, he's never missed
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  a schedule appointment in his ministry until that week and he was not able to attend.
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  So we had a backup speaker, Terry Cooper from Nine of a Christian church gave a tremendously
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  powerful message about the point of no return.
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  God's Word demonstrating that there's a point beyond which nations reach that they got
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  will no longer favor.
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  And so have we reached that point or not?
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  Well David, you and I can talk about that today, but it's a great challenge to make sure
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  that we don't pass that point of no return.
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  And of course, on Saturday of our conference, we had my Cuckabee at a wonderful speaker,
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  Nathan Schackleford from First Liberty.
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  Most of our evangelist here, Dave Reagan, David Bowen, our teaching evangelist, Nathan
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  Jones and myself and a local pastor as well.
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  So we had a full course of materials that could be gainful to anybody who watched either
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  live or through our live stream or through now our conference album.
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  So Tim Moore, let's transition now.
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  One of the things we wanted to talk about today, I loved your one of your recent articles.
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  So I know when this comes out, you know, the podcast comes out in a week or so, there
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  will probably be another article from you perhaps, it's newer.
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  But over at Harvanger's Daily, and they do a great job over there, and sometimes they
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  give it a new title.
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  They called it the godlessness in our nation rose up one generation at a time.
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  What was the original title and I'm sure that's over at Christen prophecy?
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  Yes, sir.
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  So this article originally appeared in our July, August, Lamplighter magazine.
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  Every other month we put out a magazine, the Lamplighter is because God's Word is like
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  a lamp into my feet.
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  And so we point to God's prophetic word, and we try to be very contemporary and addressing
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  current events and the things that people see happening all around them.
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  What my article was titled, choose this day.
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  Obviously that points back to Joshua, who challenged people of Israel to choose whom
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  they would serve.
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  People will famously remember him saying, as for me in my house, we will serve the Lord.
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  But what I point out is that the children of Israel and responding to Joshua affirm,
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  we too will serve the Lord, us and our children, and our children's children.
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  They were very emphatic about being dedicated to serving the Lord.
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  And yet within just a few generations, their children, grandchildren, great grandchildren
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  had strayed so grievously that the Lord gave them over.
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  And of course, brought down waves of punishment.
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  We could call judgment and eventually cast many of them aside, that being the entire
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  northern kingdom.
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  So you think, how do you go from a generation that says, yes, we will serve the Lord to
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  multiple generations that have strayed so far from him.
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  And I think the same question would apply to our nation today.
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  Many of our founders were determined to raise up a city on a hill that would shine like
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  a light to the rest of the world.
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  They were dedicated to serving the Lord.
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  If they were not all evangelical Christians as we would define today, they were very clear
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  about recognizing that Christianity was the glue that held our society together and
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  always had to be respected and upheld.
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  And now we've got leaders and a vast number of our population that denigrate our own Christian
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  foundations.
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  We have cast God aside at every possible turn.
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  And then we wonder why we're in such desperate shape.
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  That really sums up the nation in free fall that we witnessed today.
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  So let's go back to judges chapter two and your article.
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  I find this to be a fascinating and perhaps some of the most sobering or sad words in
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  scripture, at least the Old Testament, because as you said, you know, when people were serving
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  the Lord all the days of Joshua.
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  And even it says all the days of the elders who survived Joshua, who had seen the great
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  work of the Lord, which he had done an inverse aid of judges to Joshua died.
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  And they buried him and then verse 10, here it is.
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  And there here's the parallel parallel for America.
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  What can we learn?
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  All that generation also were gathered to their fathers and there arose another generation
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  after them who did not know the Lord nor the work which he had done for Israel.
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  And we can look over the, at our country now and say, do we know the work that God had
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  done to establish by his grace this land of the free, establish on the Judeo Christian
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  worldview?
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  And here we are generations later and it happened very gradually, you know, your thoughts
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  Tim?
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  Well, it did happen very gradually and yet it's just happening suddenly.
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  I quote in our magazine article, Ernest Hemingway, who said was asked in a book he wrote how someone
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  went bankrupt and he said it was gradual, but then all of a sudden, in other words, sometimes
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  these things in hindsight, they seem like they are just moving at a snail's pace and
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  all of a sudden you're there and that's how we have fallen.
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  And yet, as you said, David, it is not even to the fault per se of the current generation.
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  Did they know the Lord?
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  Have they been raised up to know the Lord?
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  And we can look in our school system and how we have removed Christian religion or faith,
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  even as a heritage of our nation from any real education within our public system.
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  And so most people are completely ignorant.
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  They don't even know references.
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  If someone says handwriting on the wall, they don't know that's a biblical phrase that points
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  to something that happened in the Old Testament.
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  I could go on and on with examples where people are not even familiar with our own English
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  vernacular that we have built on Christian heritage and yet we, that is lost to us.
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  So many people are oblivious and we are sowing the wind.
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  I fear soon and very soon we collectively as a nation will reap the whirlwind.
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  And yeah, we're trying to warn people because it's coming and it, you know, it's concerning
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  to those of us who understand our true history.
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  One of the guests this week, Bill Federer, we had on the podcast and my goodness, that
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  man is a wealth of knowledge and understands history and can really explain things and
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  how we got to where we are.
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  But it's really amazing that you say in your article that I like the words here that once
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  you remove the biblical worldview, let's just use the education system that has been
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  hijacked.
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  For example, in the early 60s, by the way, something had to set that up in the 50s before we
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  got to the 60s and prayer and the Bible were taken out, removed out of the government
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  and run schools.
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  And evidently there wasn't enough pushback because that was allowed and then it just
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  stay, they stayed out.
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  But then it leaves a pretty big void, something's got to fill it.
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  And you say other malevolent ideologies are rushing in to fill the ensuing vacuum and
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  that's not just in our schools, of course, that's throughout our culture and in the public
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  square.
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  So your thoughts on that, Tim?
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  You know, it is very clear, David, that other forces have filled that vacuum.
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  I tell the story of a land where the government declared they were going to remove the ten
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  commandments from the classroom of the schools and the people rose up and said, you will
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  not remove the ten commandments from our children's classrooms, they need to understand right
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  and wrong.
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  And the ten commandments become just a representative of that Christian heritage.
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  And so these people rose up and the government finally backed down.
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  And I asked you know where that was because it certainly wasn't America.
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  Our Supreme Court said you have to remove all these vestiges of our Christian heritage
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  and there was a collective yawn even from the church.
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  No, the country that pushed back where the people rose up and outraged was Poland under
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  communist rule and the communist backed down.
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  And yet we in our own country have allowed these things to happen without too much pushback.
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  And now we like the frog and the pot.
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  We realize things are boiling, but we've allowed it to get incrementally warmer and warmer
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  and hotter and hotter and it may be too late, but it's never too late for individuals.
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  And we can again talk about that, but that's why whether it's my children, my grandchildren
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  now, thankfully I have, I need to be pouring into them an appreciation of the heritage of
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  faith that they are going to be handed, because I plan to hand down a heritage of faith.
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  And then whether or not they maintain it, yes, that is up to them, but I will not fail
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  to raise them up to know the Lord, to know what the Lord has done just as that passage
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  and judges chapter 2 said, and to know that their continued success, not only in this
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  life, but their longevity, their own eternity depends upon staying true to him.
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  Amen.
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  If the church is still here and we are still alive for such a time as this, there's still
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  hope because Jesus has not returned yet, but Tim Moore, we're going to have to take
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  a brief pause.
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  Tim Moore, Lamb and Lion Ministries, Christ in Prophecy.org, I want to jump right ahead
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  to something there is hope for America.
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  We just answered that question, I think.
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  Although it's dark, although we don't know what the future holds and how much longer
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  we will have the freedoms, including freedom of speech and religious expression.
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  But let's go to Nineveh.
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  You mentioned an article, Jonah, and that was a surprise.
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  Jonah got mad that they've repented.
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  So tell us a little bit about that.
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  I find that an interesting example, and it started with the King of Nineveh.
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  Go ahead.
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  Well, it demonstrates that God's provision, His mercy is for all people.
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  He is no respecter of nations, and so He called Jonah to go to a pagan nation.
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  Jonah did not want to give them an opportunity to repent.
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  He wanted them to get their just desserts, which was punishment.
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  And yet God in His grace gave them an opportunity.
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  So sure enough, they heated Jonah's sermon.
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  I like to point out Jonah was not very secret-sensitive because his message was y'all going to die.
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  And probably you deserve to die too.
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  If you read the scriptures, there's no secret-sensitivity there.
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  But they recognized from the King on down that if the Lord was sending a messenger to warn
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  them, then inherent with that warning was the opportunity to repent and turn back.
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  You know, John the Baptist asked the Pharisees, who told you to flee from the wrath to come?
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  One of our messages is that God's wrath is coming.
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  But the reason that we tell people that is because right now you have the opportunity to
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  flee from the wrath to come and into the loving arms of our Savior.
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  And if you do that, there is no wrath.
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  There is no condemnation for those who are in Jesus Christ.
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  And so Jonah demonstrates that although man's justice would not have that much mercy in
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  grace, God in His infinite mercy, His infinite grace has made provision for all people.
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  And we know that it is through the person of Jesus Christ.
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  Amen, brother.
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  And John the Baptist wasn't very secret-sensitive either.
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  But you know, judgment is coming if we believe Scripture and what Jesus taught.
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  But if we love people, we will tell them the truth and we will warn.
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  That's what we're doing.
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  I don't care.
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  We're called intolerant and hateful and bigoted and everything else, homophobic and everything.
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  We just want to save people.
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  We want people to hear the gospel and be saved.
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  And I know that's your heart as an evangelist, Tim.
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  In the earlier in that article, you mentioned the light of Christ shines through the deepening
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  gloom.
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  But you said something very interesting.
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  Then I want to ask you to explain in this context, we're talking about America, we're
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  talking about hope.
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  And by the way, Nineveh had a pretty big revival from what we understand.
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  Even in wrath, God remembers mercy.
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  Talk to us about that.
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  Well, I cite that phrase often as I write and as I speak because that was Habakkuk's
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  prayer.
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  You remember, Habakkuk much like us sometimes wanted his nation to receive a little wake-up
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  call.
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  God sent people awake up call so they will not continue to flaunt your laws or they
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  will not rebel against you and God revealed to Habakkuk.
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  He wasn't going to send a little wake-up call.
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  He was going to send tremendous punishment via the Chaldeans and Habakkuk was, as we
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  like to say, taking a back because he said the Chaldeans are even worse than us.
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  How can they be the instrument of your judgment?
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  And God said, this is going to happen.
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  You can mark it down.
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  As a matter of fact, write it in big letters so somebody running by I can still read.
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  It is certain.
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  And Habakkuk prayed, Lord, in wrath, remember mercy.
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  And I always kind of roll my eyes because I can imagine the Lord in heaven saying, oh,
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  come on.
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  Do you not think I am all merciful?
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  And as I declare my wrath, the goal is not simply to punish.
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  It's to motivate people toward repentance.
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  So God is always perfectly just, but He's also perfectly gracious and merciful.
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  And so even today, as we see so many things going so terribly wrong in our world, God still
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  offers grace and He still offers mercy.
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  And we know that is through the gospel of Jesus Christ.
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  So only in Him can anyone be forgiven, but once you are in Him, there is no wrath.
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  As I said, there is no condemnation.
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  So it's all, again, part of God's great, wonderful plan to save those who are called
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  and who will respond to that free offer of salvation.
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  Amen.
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  And we know in Revelation 2 and 3, you mentioned a verse in Revelation 3, 2, Jesus talked
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  to the churches there.
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  These are Christians.
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  And what would He be saying to the American church?
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  We can only speculate.
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  But in Revelation 3, 2, He said, wake up and strengthen the things that remain which are
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  about to die.
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  And then another one, He says, return to your first love.
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  And these are warnings to believers to wake up.
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  With that, Tim, I want to go back to another article you wrote and get your response to
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  the fact that Pew Research Center documents that 8 in 10 Americans, 80%, realize that religion
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  is losing influence in the public square.
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  But about only half, 49%, think this is a bad thing.
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  Now this is a wake up call to me, we see more Pew, Barna, all the research gallop.
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  They say the same thing, the Christian influence is not as strong as it once was, we're declining
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  morally.
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  And then I go to Revelation 3 that we just read, wake up.
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  So just bring that together for us, help Christians make sense of this and how we can respond.
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  I think it's heartbreaking for many of us who thought we were living in a Christian
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  nation.
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  Barack Obama famously said during his presidency, America is no longer a Christian nation.
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  And that was offensive to many of us until I stepped back and thought about it and I realized
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  he's probably right because what Christian nation would continually murder unborn children
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  and gleefully so what nation would celebrate abortion and actually tell other nations you
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  have to get in line with this abomination.
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  What nation that claimed to be Christian would remove God from every vestige of public
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  life, like we've already discussed the children's classroom, etc.
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  And flaunt our rebellion against him.
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  So are we a Christian nation?
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  Well your viewers can decide, but tragically I think that no longer applies.
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  And so we have always as Christians been a minority.
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  I think in this nation for too many years we thought we were the majority, but what
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  Pew and others are demonstrating is the, I guess the scale to fall off even our eyes
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  to recognize we were never truly a majority.
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  Christianity held sway over much of the culture just from almost habitual respect.
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  But today it's not even respected.
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  We are considered the troubleers.
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  And you know what we're in good form if that's the case because Elijah was called a
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  troubleer.
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  Paul as he went preaching the gospel was considered a troubleer.
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  We now can be bold in our faith and bold in our speaking out because that's exactly what
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  we're called to do.
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  And frankly David, the darker it gets, these are it is for light to shine.
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  And so even if I got a small candle, it can light up a whole room if it's pitch black.
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  And so it doesn't matter how bright I am, I have a light of Christ.
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  And he is, he will illuminate the entire world, but it shines all the brighter as this
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  world grows darker and darker.
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  And Jesus said, let your light shine before men.
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  You are the light of the world.
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  He told his followers.
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  Tim, you're the senior evangelist there at Lamb and Lion.
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  And I want to kind of focus these last couple minutes on the church because as you and I
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  know, there is a remnant, a strong solid Bible believing churches that teach the whole
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  council of God, Bible prophecy, and speak to the issues outside of church walls.
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  So people can be equipped Monday through Saturday, not just on Sunday morning, but we also
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  know that the majority of churches and maybe the majority of Christians are maybe lukewarm.
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  Maybe they're seeking entertainment.
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  They'd rather be entertained than challenged or equipped to fight the good fight.
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  We've got a big problem.
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  So we need to evangelize people that are in churches and the pews really quick.
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  There was a pastor on California who lived out there for 17 years before we left, we went
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  to this church.
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  They had a guest speaker come in and he was talking about missionary work and he said, missionaries
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  were coming from Asia from these other countries flying into LAX, Los Angeles and on the international
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  airport.
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  And their poll purpose coming to America was to evangelize the decadent West to come and
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  save America.
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  I don't say God bless America, I say God save America.
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  So in these last in this last minute or so minute and a half, Tim, you're, we need to
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  get people in churches and professing or so called Christians actually save with the true
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  gospel.
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  Go ahead.
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  Well, I think you're exactly right.
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  It is offensive to our pride to think that others from outside the United States are
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  coming here to evangelize us, but really and truly we are a mission field.
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  We are become like Europe being post Christian, at least in ideology and in terms of numbers.
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  Europe is now a tremendous mission field because most people do not believe in the gospel
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  they have not stayed true.
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  And yet, quite frankly, David, the mission field is as close as my own town, my own neighbor
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  or even sometimes my own family and we need to be intentional about sharing the truth
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  of the gospel.
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  Yes, the full council of God's word, including his prophetic word because it's where our
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  hope lies.
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  Now, I would just challenge your viewers today, go and read Psalm 73 and see how Asaf came
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  to realize that even though he was growing despondent about the world he was living in,
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  he realized that if he had spoken out of his despondency, his discouragement, he would
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  have violated his responsibility to pour into the next generation.
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  And so we need to be clear to our children, to our grandchildren, who is our hope.
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  It's not in a thing.
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  It's not hope and hope.
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  It is a person, Jesus Christ.
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  And if I go home to be with Lord soon, I want my grandchildren not to remember how much
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  I, I'd be mone the state of America or the way things have grown so dark and dim and discouraging.
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  I want them to say, Sabah, that's what they call me, always was talking about Jesus Christ
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  is blessed hope.
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  Amen.
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  Jesus is Lord and he is our hope.
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  Tim Moore, Christ in prophecy.org, brother, great to connect with you.
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  Thank you for your time today.
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  Godspeed.
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  Hopefully we'll do this again.
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  Thank you guys for sharing the podcast.
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  God bless you and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.