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Zack & David Go To A Trump Protest · Between the Headlines: Columbus

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  Speaker 3: You are listening to Between the Headlines with the organic homegrown Molotov cocktail and managing editor of the Commercial Dispatch, mr Zach Player, and my name is David Chisholm.
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  Speaker 3: Today, zach and I visited the protest in front of the library, the Chibby Bateman Library.
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  Speaker 3: Is that what they call it?
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  Speaker 3: Chibi?
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  Speaker 3: Chibi, that's how you say it.
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  Speaker 3: Zach and I change gears a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: We go out in the rain and we've got some audio.
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  Speaker 3: Don't know how good it is, but we'll put it out there.
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  Speaker 1: Apologies if it's not very good.
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  Speaker 3: But it was windy and it was not too bad hot and it was a festive occasion, if I will say.
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  Speaker 3: Here are some snippets from Zach and from myself.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm thinking that President Trump is acting like a Nazi, not giving Americans their rights, and I'm out here protesting that this is America, we're not Nazis.
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  Speaker 3: So that said, are there smart Republicans out there?
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  Speaker 4: I believe there are yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I believe they're being misguided and I don't think they have any guts right now in Congress.
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  Speaker 1: Lots of people coming by honking and I'm assuming that that's one reaction y'all get.
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  Speaker 1: I'm assuming maybe some others don't agree so much.
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  Speaker 5: Well, very few.
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  Speaker 5: Last week we only had two, uh, negative indications, I'll say that.
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  Speaker 5: And but last week we had a real uptick in honks and and thumbs up and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 5: So it may be taking, taking hold, hopefully, hope so I see you've got some supporters out there um.
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  Speaker 3: Y'all said any cars on fire today?
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  Speaker 3: Not, not yet.
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  Speaker 3: No, we will.
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  Speaker 6: Hopefully not mine, Obviously you were opposed to the parade tomorrow.
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  Speaker 6: Oh my golly.
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  Speaker 6: I kind of wish that some guy with a couple of shopping bags would go out there and stand in front of the tanks, except they'd probably send him to El Salvador to El Salvador.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think he's made any progress with, like the United Arab Emirates and some of those other countries that, like Obama, did not care to go visit?
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  Speaker 6: He has not made an impression on any foreign country.
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  Speaker 6: They see right through him, they know what he stands for, they know what he's trying to do, just like we do.
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  Speaker 4: I pay my taxes, I'm a productive member of society and I see that our rights are being infringed on daily with the Trump administration.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, which rights specifically if you don't mind my asking do you feel are infringed?
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  Speaker 4: Trans rights, gay rights, women's rights, brown and black rights, anything that's not a white male.
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  Speaker 4: I believe we're going.
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  Speaker 7: Our rights are in jeopardy at this point tell me a little bit about, uh, why you're here, why you're feeling the way you're feeling um, well, it's a lot of different things, for when I have, um, I have family, that is um sort of every, every facet of life, you know, like every different.
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  Speaker 7: Everything they're saying no to is probably a family member of mine or my friend, and I'm the type of person I just don't, I don't, no, okay.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what.
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  Speaker 7: I'm here for.
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  Speaker 7: I'm here for freedom.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what do you think about the parade tomorrow that is planned?
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to the protest over in Starkville.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, it's outrageous.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, if he wants to spend money $45 million on something, give it to the vets.
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  Speaker 6: Here's what I will say that Trump has lied to us from the beginning, and the folks that vote for him take him at his word and don't even check what he says.
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  Speaker 3: Full disclosure I'm a Trump supporter, but I'm not like one of those that just supports him blindly.
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  Speaker 3: There are certain things about him that I like and certain things that I really don't.
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  Speaker 8: Well, guess what.
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  Speaker 8: There are a few things that I agree with as well, Such as, if you don't mind, so one, I believe there is fraud.
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  Speaker 8: I don't think it is widespread.
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  Speaker 8: You said what do I support?
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  Speaker 8: I support finding fraud.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think of Doge and Big Balls and folks like that going into the system and trying to eliminate?
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  Speaker 8: That was one of the things I would have been for.
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  Speaker 8: If you had systematically gone into a department and looked to see who we can cut and not tear the agency apart, I was all for it.
• 6:47
  Speaker 8: But to go down and fire everybody and then shut down the agency and then have to go back and rehire them, that is not good.
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  Speaker 1: Your sign today says dump Trump, I guess, and no kings okay.
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  Speaker 5: Because they have a dictator in charge of things now and that's not in the American way at all.
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  Speaker 5: I'm a vet, I wouldn't work for him and I have trouble seeing where he's coming from.
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  Speaker 8: Putin invaded Ukraine.
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  Speaker 8: He needs to leave and we need to support Ukraine.
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  Speaker 8: The second thing is I believe in due process.
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  Speaker 7: I don't, I don't.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I didn't support him because of all the you know, all the sexual assault charges and stuff.
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  Speaker 7: I, you know I'm I am a survivor of domestic abuse, so I've been at the hand of patriarchy and I just this is not for me, you know, and this is not where I want to leave my daughters, my granddaughters.
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  Speaker 7: You know, it's just, it's a travesty.
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  Speaker 7: I don't want to see anybody hurt.
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  Speaker 7: I don't.
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  Speaker 7: I love people, I love all humans.
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  Speaker 7: I think we all have a right to be here.
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  Speaker 3: Debbie, I'm going to shake your hand if you're okay with it.
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  Speaker 3: It was nice to meet you today.
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  Speaker 3: You know what?
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  Speaker 3: See we?
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  Speaker 3: We can talk.
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  Speaker 3: That's what it's all about.
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  Speaker 9: When you put out there misinformation about the accuracy and effectiveness of vaccines, then you get people who are not protected against these diseases.
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  Speaker 1: How have you seen the change in how you guys are regarded over time?
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  Speaker 9: I'm hearing a lot of people driving by honking.
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  Speaker 9: I think people are beginning to realize that protests do work, and we're doing our own little bit of protesting down here too.
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  Speaker 6: To demonstrate at least that a number of people are educated enough in this country that we know what he is and who he is and what he stands for and what he's trying to do.
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  Speaker 6: He's trying to eliminate the Constitution.
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  Speaker 6: He has not done anything.
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  Speaker 6: That was he has not done anything, not the first thing that I consider to have been in the best interest of this country.
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  Speaker 6: Can you name one?
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  Speaker 3: Well, there are, as you know, 80 million people, including myself, who did vote for Trump.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think that all of us are in the same category or do you think there's some middle ground?
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  Speaker 3: I'd like to know how deep the but, how deep the disdain for the whole Trump nation is for people out here like yourself doing a peaceful demonstration.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty deep, Pretty deep.
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  Speaker 3: How many cars burning is an acceptable number?
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  Speaker 3: How many cars burning is an acceptable number?
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  Speaker 6: If they're Republican, cars no limit.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate your spirit.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, sir, about 20 people there in total, would you say I think it would have been more if it hadn't been for the um, you know, the oncoming storm that we got caught in a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: It was, um, it was not terribly hot.
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  Speaker 3: I was worried when, when I had learned about this assignment, that we were just going to go out there and get roasted.
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  Speaker 3: But it was nice and cloudy and it rained on us a little bit, but you know, we didn't, um, get totally drenched.
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  Speaker 3: Your curls are a little bit out of whack today, but nothing happens Nothing terribly disturbing.
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  Speaker 3: What did you?
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  Speaker 3: Did you learn anything different?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, was it, was it all just kind of as expected?
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  Speaker 1: I mean yeah to me.
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  Speaker 1: I mean we've been covering these protests on and off since they since they started I guess what, two, three months ago.
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  Speaker 1: And a lot of those folks out there today mentioned that they were going to be in startle tomorrow for the no kings mass protest as a nationwide movement.
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  Speaker 1: But uh, the one locally will be in startle.
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: Uh, it's going to be uh from noon to 1 30 uh tomorrow outside the uh hub on north jackson street and east main street or at north jackson street and east main street in startle.
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  Speaker 1: That's the uh old cadence bank, that uh hub on North Jackson Street and East Main Street, or at North Jackson Street and East Main Street in Starkville.
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: That's the old Cadence Bank.
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: That now is the workspace, I think, that Michael Guest's office.
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: He keeps an office in that building.
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  Speaker 3: Michael Guest is going to allow for that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I guess if he rents the building he doesn't really have a choice, though it's interesting to me.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder who sponsors this?
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  Speaker 1: Indivisible, which is a group that has a lot of chapters nationwide.
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  Speaker 1: It's a left-leaning group and there's a local chapter that's sponsoring.
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  Speaker 3: Let me ask you this what was your response?
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  Speaker 3: Were they like kick rocks?
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  Speaker 3: Or Were they like kick rocks or were they like let's talk?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I had about half and half that wanted to talk.
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  Speaker 1: Even the ones who declined did so friendly and usually explained the reasons why.
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  Speaker 1: But you know a lot of folks.
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  Speaker 1: I just asked them what was on their sign, or read what was on their sign, asked them why that was what they uh chose to chose to present during the protest.
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  Speaker 3: How long they've been coming out it's kind of like college game day out there a little bit, yeah, yeah without the, without the helmets you know, without the elephant helmet or a donkey helmet.
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: One thing that's been the takeaway of that protest since it started was one it's been growing and the layers of it have been getting different.
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: Different people are coming out there protesting different things, not necessarily different principles, but different parts of you know what they see to be a problem with the administration.
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: They're doing so peacefully.
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: They're, you know, behaving themselves and they're standing by their sides, they're talking about their issues and they're, uh, real new.
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: They're very nuanced, they're layered um and they're they're out there.
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: I talked to this, uh, one person that I asked.
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: I said you make a lot of friends out here since, uh, since you started coming, and her response was you know, not only was she meeting more people, but and and we've heard this before there are a lot of people who, in the conservative South, you know, in a county that went for Trump, in a state that very heavily went for Trump, they feel very much like maybe they're the only one, or maybe one of very few, who feels the way that they do about a particular issue, and they're finding out through exercises like this that that's not true, and I don't think that that's a bad thing, regardless of what your position is on a subject I can certainly appreciate anybody that is peacefully exercising their First Amendment.
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  Speaker 3: Let me ask you this Do you think anybody was out there really intent on changing someone's mind as they passed by, or is it just?
• 13:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, I just have to question when you stand in protest of something that 80 million people voted on the other side of right, what is your end goal in that?
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: right, I mean because, obviously, let me respond to your question with this question david, who won the 2020 election?
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: well, joe biden did according to the uh most people.
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: You know I'm not an election denier, but okay, there are a lot of election deniers out there and you and and those people were very loud for four years and very passionately believed and wanted everyone else to believe what they had to say and they had the right to express it.
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: I rolled my eyes at it, just very similarly to how you probably rolled your eyes at some of the things that were being protested today, but it happened.
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: You seem to be implying here that the majority rules the narrative.
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: The majority rules the system.
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: That's true and I believe in that.
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: That's a democratic process.
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: I'm certainly not going to deny that Donald Trump won the 2024 election and that is what it is and the policies that come from it do, because the system rewards the majority vote.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: It just does.
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: The system rewards the majority vote it just does.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: But the majority vote does not dictate the narrative and it does not.
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: You know, we don't live in 1984's Ingsoc, so a person's ability and willingness to go out and protest and to dissent and to do so peacefully, I think is important, and you know, I know a lot of people in between 2020 and 2024 who were Trump supporters who thought it was very important.
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  Speaker 3: One thing that came up more than once as a challenge to me was the January 6th protests.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Right and to their surprise, I was actually the insurrection, if you want to call it that.
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: I, to their surprise, was actually on board saying you know that was a bad day for everybody, and for Republicans, because I'm sitting here across from you.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: I condemn violence regardless of who it is, and that was a violent day, and if it had been the supporters of Obama doing that, I would have condemned it then too.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: It was violence is violence.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: I think when you look at what's happening in Los Angeles, I mean, we're here in the friendly city of Columbus and we only know what the national media or the people on X tell us.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: But regardless, when you look at stuff like that, it's like holy cow.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: You know how do you process that level of anger, that level of rage, without just stepping back and saying, hey, this is just flat wrong.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Here's what I'm going to say about that and I want to use a couple of local examples, and one of them is deeply personal.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Last fall the city drops $5,000 on a parade for CMSD.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: They are celebrating their B accountability rating.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: They wanted to have a parade.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: The school district went to the city, asked for $5,000.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: They were given that $5,000, and that was egregious.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: You know whether you agree with the need for the parade celebrate the kids, that's fine.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: That cost was high.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: The optics were terrible.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: There were other ways for the city to support that parade and it still be done right.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: If you speak out against that kind of thing, it makes you look bad yeah, yeah, yeah, which I'm getting to that, but it seemed wasteful.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: I believed it at the time and the people who didn't want to listen to how wasteful it was.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: But lots of, you know, lots of folks felt the way that I did about the cD parade, that it was wasteful.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: But they have no problem with our dear leaders.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: $45 million birthday party tomorrow with tanks and you know whatever.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: And you know, putting aside the very Soviet Nicaraguan optics of this planned parade, nicaraguan yeah, I'm going to have to look that one up.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: How do the people, how are people not jumping up and down?
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: How are the same people in columbus, just say in columbus, how are the same people in columbus, uh, who jumped up and down about cmsd's parade, not looking at that 45 million dollar parade tomorrow and going, uh, no yeah why?
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: why would we do?
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Because you gotta remember, you know we're just coming off a doge and we're coming off of the swath of federal employee layoffs that you know, because of all of the waste that you know.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Studies have shown that doge didn't really save all that much money, if any.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: But Trump supporters are not going to acknowledge that.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: A lot of Trump supporters are not going to acknowledge that I'm not going to characterize all of them.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: A secret, real quick.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Not everybody that voted for Trump believes that he is a conservative.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean there's that too, because I think there's a lot of value in conservative politics and I don't think that there's nearly as much value in blind loyalty to a person, regardless of who they are.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: But you know Trump supporters in Columbus a lot of them are not going to acknowledge that.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: You know, the CMSD parade was waste and this is waste too for the same reason, just a different scope, scope, scale, it's different, but the principle is the same, and you know there's.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: I'm going to give you another personal example and I spent a well-documented three and a half years in the misdemeanor court system here on trumped up charges that were eventually dismissed.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Democratic City Administration had me handcuffed and perp walked out of my place, out of the place where I work, in front of people that I worked with.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: And they did that because I took a photo of a public record that showed the administration the Democratic administration had colluded with a Democratic city council person to use city-owned facilities for personal reasons at a discount.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I was doing my job and I was jailed for it by a Democratic administration.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Most everybody saw that for what it was and I appreciated a lot of the well wishes I got for that, but it was an attempt to skirt transparency, put down dissent.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: That's what it was skirt transparency, put down dissent.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: You know that same administration you know sent us a cease and desist letter during the 2021 campaign.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: It was telling us to stop reporting on the city's mounting debt because you know it was a problem for the campaign.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I remember that I see those efforts you know, that affected me on a personal level as the same brand of nonsense, again accounting for scope and scale, as Trump and some of his supporters do all the time.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: But somehow, you know these people.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: They yell and scream about democratic corruption and particularly you know those who are aggressively critical of Columbus politics, but they don't have that same opinion when Trump sends the military to quell a protest in LA or when a US senator gets arrested in an event for simply, you know, for dissent.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Well, to your point, there was one lady that was not long winded, she was actually just ready to talk.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Anyway, she said to me that that that she actually is with trump on the um issue of fraud and wanting to get rid of it, right.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: I don't think any reasonable person doesn't want to get rid of well that's what she said, and she said that the part that she didn't appreciate it was the um degree at which he aggressively went into, allowed elon and big balls right, all these people to go in fire.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Everybody hire them back, and so that actually looked to be somewhat of a point of agreement.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: I didn't get to say this to her, but to me the problem is we've tried the congenial approach for years and years and years.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: One of the themes that came up several times was that Trump lies, he lies, he lies, he lies.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: And how do we believe what he said?
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: And my response to a couple of these guys was well, I feel like most of the people in DC lie.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: You know, like whoever was running the White House last time the auto pen lies right was running the White House last time the auto pen lies right.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: So is there anybody out there that you met?
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: That was like, yeah, I trust the Democrats when they're in power, I trust most people when they're in power, and as long as they don't have orange hair, I trust them.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I don't think that that was what they were trying to say either.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so do you think they were anti-Trump or anti-Republican or a mix of both.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I don't really want to speak for them in that situation.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, they spoke for themselves.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Well, they were mad as hell about something.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, they weren't incendiary, but they were.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Their signs were pretty specific to certain issues and certain consequences that they felt were being levied by this administration.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: One particular sign had a big fat swastika on it and she says we don't want kings here, we want to keep our freedom.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: We don't want Nazis here.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: I said OK, one, including myself, would certainly agree with that tenet.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: But who are the Nazis?
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: And then she said that our freedoms are being infringed upon, and she had a list women, people of color, trans people, right.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: But I felt that she was a little lacking as to the specifics of how, the how the rights of said people were being infringed upon.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I would encourage you to go talk to women, minorities and trans people and ask them.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Fair enough, but do you think that you know, there's actually.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: And I don't mean that to be to be sarcastic, oh, you're fine.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I mean that because, you know, I'm not a female, I'm not a minority.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not a female, I'm not a minority, I'm not a trans person.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: So I don't feel qualified to say one way or the other, that that this is how, that their reality is being affected.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I can see what their argument is, but I don't want to make it for them because I don't think, I don't feel qualified to do that, but neither are you a.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Nazi right Well certainly not, and I guess what I'm saying to you is.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Within public discourse.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: There is this phenomenon known as Godwin's Law, and that is, if you talk about one subject for long enough, hitler is just going to make his way into the conversation, and das just the way.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: It is OK.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: And when you've got somebody who has such a huge personality, believe me, as Donald Trump, and everybody talks about him 24 seven, you can't get his face off the news.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Well, eventually, the rhetoric is going to make its way toward Nazi Germany, just because that is like the epitome of the worst of the worst, and they just hate him.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Therefore, he's a Nazi.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Therefore, who else is a Nazi?
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: The people that follow him blindly.
• 24:57
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• 25:54
  Speaker 3: So we're back and we're talking about the protests here in columbus.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: You know, zach, this kind of reminds me of the tea party protests that happened.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: What would that be about 12 years ago, or something to that?
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: effect.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Let's say, yeah, 12 or 15 years ago.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I actually wasn't here for that, but I was in Paragould, arkansas, home of Joe Max Higgins, when the guy who played the mailman on Cheers was riding the bus.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: This was going to be 2012-ish and he was riding the bus all over the country and yelling about being taxed.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Enough already.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: And yeah yeah, perigold was one of the stops on Cliff Clavin's bus tour.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, castle Jasper, tennessee, and Castle, tennessee, are the two stops that I made just to look around and I remember that there was a gathering, a healthy gathering.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Their signs not to make fun of them, but they were kind of misspelled.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: And I don't think that the Tea Party movement really was unfortunate, it just didn't really do anything.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: And you don't think?
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: No, I just you know there's a lot of people that say that the advent of Trump is kind of a descendant of the Tea Party.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: But I don't think so Definitely a step on the way there?
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: yeah, Maybe so, but the thing is, the Tea Party movement was a legit conservative movement and that's what I liked about it, Whereas Trump, you know, as I said earlier, he likes to spend some money, dude.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: He does Like not all the big beautiful bill, it's ballooning the national debt.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, look, listen, I don't believe.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: I'll say this on the record I don't believe that there should be such a thing as a big, beautiful bill or a big ugly bill Like the word omnibus.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: That should not even be a thing.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Split that thing into little pieces and make those congressmen and make those senators vote on individual issues.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Not this big, massive package where all the pork and all the spending just kind of squeaks through there unbeknownst to everybody, because nobody can read something that large.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Nobody ever does Right.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Well, I think I really do think that right now in our discourse.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I think that a lot of times right now, and especially with personalities like Trump and the anger that people are feeling for different reasons and this can happen on the right, this can happen on the left and I've seen it happen on both sides but the problem in the discourse is that you know the principle changes when the person changes and when you can look at the same information or the same acts or the same types of acts and you can view them differently depending on who's doing them.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's a principle anymore.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I think it's a prejudice now, whatever, I'm not saying prejudice any particular way, that's between that person and God but it's not a principle anymore if you look at the same thing and view it differently, and I think that there's a lot of that going on with Trumpism.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of that that goes on on the left, but I think right now, with Trump in power, there are a lot of people Big, beautiful, bill being an example, some other things being an example, this parade tomorrow being an example.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: These people are doing this either out of fear or because they think that somehow they're going to benefit from, you know, loyalty, or whatever the case may be, loyalty to a person, loyalty to a party, whatever, and to that, and if you don't hear anything else I say today, I want to say this it's a JFK quote from a long time ago that I think is very relevant to that, and it's those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger, ended up inside.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't think Trump is going to eat us.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: I think he's looking out for our best interest To your point.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: There was Biden derangement syndrome.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Now, I think part of that was by simple fact that we never saw him.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: We rarely saw him and we only knew what they told us about him, except for when he would come out on occasion.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: That was a problem, and now we've got kind of the opposite thing.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: We've got Trump derangement syndrome.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: You hear about that a lot.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: I did see some of that out there on the street today.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: I saw.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: I will use foreign policy as an example.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: I thought it was well known that Trump just had a pretty amazing trip to the Middle East, one of the big stops being the United Arab Emirates, where they absolutely threw a parade for him and danced and sung his praises.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Well, the one guy that I spoke with wasn't even aware of that, and to me that was just kind of.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: You know, you only see what you want to see sometimes when you vilify somebody, and I think that's unfortunate.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Well, if that's it, we'll call it a day.
• 30:56
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• 31:01
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• 31:14
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• 31:38
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• 31:42
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