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The Week That Was - 5th August 20222 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: It's time for the week that was. And joining us
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Speaker 1: in the studio today we've got Marie Claire booth Be.
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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Marie Claire.
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Speaker 2: Good morning Katy, and good morning listeners.
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Speaker 1: And of course you are obviously the opposition spokesperson for tourism, business,
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Speaker 1: a raft of different things. We appreciate you being here
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Speaker 1: this morning. Thank you. Keezier Puric, the member for Goida,
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Speaker 1: good morning to you.
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Speaker 3: And good morning and good morning to the people in
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Speaker 3: the deep Woods.
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Speaker 1: Oh would we say that you're the spokesperson for everything? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that'll do, yeah and everythings me yes, ask me, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 1: And also joining us in the studio this morning is
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Speaker 1: the Attorney General of the Northern Territory, Chancey Paid. Good
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Speaker 1: morning to you, Good.
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Speaker 4: Morning Katie, and a shout out to everyone across the territory.
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Speaker 5: Well it is Alla has come to be.
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Speaker 4: At the moment.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what. There is so much to
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Speaker 1: cover off on this morning. And we do know that
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Speaker 1: the Fanny Bay by election it is set to take
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Speaker 1: place on August twenty and yesterday we finally found out
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Speaker 1: exactly who's going to be running. Six candidates have nominated
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Speaker 1: for that election. So we've got Brent Potter from the
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Speaker 1: Australian Labor Party. We've got George made Mozalees an independent,
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Speaker 1: raj Rajwan, who I think you know has run out
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Speaker 1: every election running as an independent, Jonathan Parry for the Greens,
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Speaker 1: Leah Potter again who's run it just about every election,
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Speaker 1: and Ben Hosking from the Country Liberal Party. It is
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Speaker 1: going to be an interesting race. I said it on
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Speaker 1: Tuesday and I'll say it again. I just can't believe
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Speaker 1: that we've got two candidates from both the major parties
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Speaker 1: running who live in Palmerston.
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Speaker 3: And Parmaston is a very fine place.
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Speaker 1: It's a great place.
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Speaker 3: That's unusual for me to say that because normally are
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Speaker 3: bag Parmerston. Oh you do not, do you know, because
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Speaker 3: trying to encroach into the rule area Lichfield Palmston fire
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Speaker 3: station in Lichfield. Anyway, it will be an interesting by
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Speaker 3: election and I think, and I've said this before, I
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Speaker 3: think on this radio and elsewhere, that it will be
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Speaker 3: a big test for both leaders. I mean, it always
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Speaker 3: isn't any by election.
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Speaker 5: You know, by.
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Speaker 3: Elections traditionally will historically go against the government. But the
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Speaker 3: other thing to watch out for, I think in this
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Speaker 3: by election. If there's a strong voter turnout in pre polling,
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Speaker 3: that's where you'll get the drift. That means people are
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Speaker 3: very concerned and very wanting to cast their vote. In
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Speaker 3: other words, they want to make their sure their vote counts.
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Speaker 3: I don't believe that goes well for the government.
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Speaker 1: I was hoping that a strong Teal independent might put
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Speaker 1: their hand up, or an independence bloke you know, yeah,
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Speaker 1: well the Green Sky here's obviously no, they're not very Teal,
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Speaker 1: are they.
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Speaker 3: But they're not for anything.
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Speaker 1: But anyway, however, you look at Ash, it's certainly going
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Speaker 1: to be interesting and obviously the Labor Party does see
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Speaker 1: that it's going to be an interesting race because we
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Speaker 1: saw a bit earlier in the week the government is
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Speaker 1: investing ten million dollars for a new preschool at Parap.
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Speaker 1: I believe there was also on announcement yesterday for Bundella beef.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, come on, we didn't come down to the last
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Speaker 3: year reign cap. It's thirteen million. Now the government's found
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Speaker 3: out of nowhere.
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Speaker 4: Well, it hasn't rained for a while and it has
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Speaker 4: been on the Forward Plan, it's been in the infrastructure plan,
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Speaker 4: and I think absolutely we are working to that plan.
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Speaker 4: As I said it was in the Infrastructure Plan. This
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Speaker 4: is not a new announcement. It's been there in black
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Speaker 4: and white that this investment has been planned for some time.
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Speaker 5: I announced right in the middle of a b election.
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Speaker 4: We're working towards what is in the plan. I think
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Speaker 4: when we talk about candidates running for seats in Parliament,
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Speaker 4: it's important to acknowledge that not all candidates and not
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Speaker 4: all members of the Legislative Assembly live in their electorates,
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Speaker 4: whether that's in state and territory assemblies. I think that's
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Speaker 4: really important to just acknowledge that we haven't already we've
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Speaker 4: got members in Parliament of previous parliaments who haven't lived
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Speaker 4: in their electorate. But I absolutely think that people willing
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Speaker 4: to put their hand up and represent territorians of people
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Speaker 4: in the community is really important and that Fanny Bay
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Speaker 4: by election offers the people of Fanny Bay, Ladmiller, Perapp
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Speaker 4: and the Gardens to have an opportunity to have their
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Speaker 4: say and to get behind the candidate that they believe in.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely something.
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Speaker 6: Katie, I just want to jump in there because I mean,
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Speaker 6: I hear what chance he's saying. It feels like he's
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Speaker 6: just saying this is nothing, nothing to see here. This
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Speaker 6: election is actually the chance for voters who are absolutely
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Speaker 6: sick and tired of all the excuses that labor has
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Speaker 6: been giving to them. They love to blame everybody else
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Speaker 6: for all their problems. We have sickening rates of crime
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Speaker 6: and violence and in Fanny Bay. It's right across the territory,
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Speaker 6: but especially in Fanny Bay. We have people with the
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Speaker 6: cost of living which is skyrocketing.
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Speaker 2: It's through the roof.
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Speaker 6: They feel like they have not been heard. Nobody is
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Speaker 6: listening to them. And what we have though, is a
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Speaker 6: government that has been so busy focusing on IKAC investigations
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Speaker 6: and trying to claw back all their integrity issues.
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Speaker 2: That they've had.
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Speaker 6: And in the last twenty four hours, I mean they've
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Speaker 6: just miraculously found all these millions of dollars to announce
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Speaker 6: in just twenty four hours for Fanny Bay. I mean,
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Speaker 6: it's it just reeks of let's go to a by
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Speaker 6: election and try and full territorians again.
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Speaker 4: Constituents in the Fanny Bay electorate and right across the
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Speaker 4: territory can see what it is in every attempt that
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Speaker 4: the CLP bring to stand up for territorians. People see Throe,
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Speaker 4: they know it's smoking marriage. The two K rule that
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Speaker 4: the CLP were talking about this week, Let's be clear.
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Speaker 4: You already can't drink within two kilometers of a licensed venue.
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Speaker 4: The cost of living prices charge that fuel bill that
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Speaker 4: you introduced, that you didn't even then bring on General
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Speaker 4: Business Day on that Wednesday.
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Speaker 2: You would not even guess what are you going to
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Speaker 2: do for territories?
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Speaker 4: The position is going to send a peace commission to
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Speaker 4: Ukraine to actually look at a peace mission.
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Speaker 1: Now, I think with those petrol prices it is very
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Speaker 1: cute for the government to pretend that no thing can
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Speaker 1: be done at this point in time. We were talking
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Speaker 1: a week ago about there being a forty cent margin
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Speaker 1: with some of those prices between the terminal gate and
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Speaker 1: then the bowser. I am going to call it for
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Speaker 1: what it is, bullshit. The government needs to stand up.
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Speaker 1: They actually need to write to the a trible c
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Speaker 1: as Kate Worden said she'd do last week, but also
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Speaker 1: the Chief Minister needs to stand up and say this
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Speaker 1: is not good enough. These prices are not good enough,
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Speaker 1: and that cost of living it is going to have
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Speaker 1: an impact for people. It's having an impact for people
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Speaker 1: right now. But I wonder as well how the likes
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Speaker 1: of the public servants are going to sort of vote
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Speaker 1: come this by election, because they've then got that pay freeze.
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Speaker 6: That labor government time and time again. This is absolutely
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Speaker 6: the time for people have Funny Bay to send a
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Speaker 6: clear message that they want to be heard and it's
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Speaker 6: time to do that. Go to the polls and vote
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Speaker 6: with your heart.
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Speaker 4: And they absolutely will. I mean Minister Warden, we absolutely
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Speaker 4: got the Minister for Racing, Gaming and License in consumer affairs.
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Speaker 4: We've written to the a trip we'll see raising that concern.
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Speaker 4: I have a Bush electorate. You think the prices are
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Speaker 4: expensive here, get out on the track. We are aware
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Speaker 4: of it. We're working with that, We're talking to the Commonwealth. Look,
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Speaker 4: people in the territory, particularly Fanny Bay, they are very smart.
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Speaker 4: They know what they know and they know that the
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Speaker 4: only thing the c LP are good at is cutting.
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Speaker 1: So what do you reckon's going to happen? What's the
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Speaker 1: you know, I watch your tip keys here. You've got
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Speaker 1: it very wrong at the federal election.
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Speaker 3: But I'm gonna that's because you know, I must have
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Speaker 3: been a time. Well, there's six candidates, there's the two
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Speaker 3: majors at either end of the ballot paper. There's a
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Speaker 3: Greens candidates. I've said previously the Greens do do reasonably
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Speaker 3: well in the Funny Bay kind of area and Nightclip
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Speaker 3: that's about it in the Northern territory. And I don't
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Speaker 3: know the Greens candidate, but up presum is pretty well
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Speaker 3: known or you know.
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Speaker 1: We will have him show at some point. We've certainly
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Speaker 1: asked to get him on the show, so we'll make
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Speaker 1: sure that we do it.
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Speaker 3: There's a couple of or three independents. I sort of
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Speaker 3: know their names and them a little bit. But the
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Speaker 3: more candidates you put in, the more they chip away
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Speaker 3: at the primary vote. So you know, if they both
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Speaker 3: if a three independence take you know, three four percent each,
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Speaker 3: you know, because they could and I think they will. Well,
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Speaker 3: that takes away from the majors and takes away from
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Speaker 3: the Greens. But I think one, as I said, the
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Speaker 3: voter turnout in earlier that will be an indication of
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Speaker 3: what people are thinking. I mean, clearly, the campaigns that
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Speaker 3: people run will also you know, tell people, you know,
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Speaker 3: what the major parties can provide or what they're going
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Speaker 3: to offer or not.
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Speaker 4: Off federal election as well.
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Speaker 3: And also I think the Greens preferences are going to
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Speaker 3: be critical because I think it will be a close.
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Speaker 3: I think it'll be close. I don't think the Brent
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Speaker 3: Potter fellow is going to romp it in. I don't
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Speaker 3: know the man, but I'm sure it's fine, and I'm
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Speaker 3: not sure Ben Hoskins will romp it in. So I
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Speaker 3: think they're going to run strong campaigns. But there's just
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Speaker 3: the one thing that I think is a bit quirky
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Speaker 3: is the fact that Leo Potter is put her hand
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Speaker 3: up and she's got the same surname as the ALP candidate.
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Speaker 3: Now members people might not remember well those long round
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Speaker 3: long enough will will When Dennis Burke lost his seat,
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Speaker 3: he lost it to a gentleman by the name of
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Speaker 3: James Burke, who was labor person now that partisan and
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Speaker 3: den you know, he was struggling that time and politically,
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Speaker 3: and James Brooke snuck through. Because let's be honest, there's
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Speaker 3: a lot of lot of voters out there who go
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Speaker 3: on name recognition. They go on the fact that it's
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Speaker 3: a man, it's a woman, it's this, it's that. And
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Speaker 3: I do know because people told me after that election
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Speaker 3: that a lot of people went, oh, I just voted
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Speaker 3: for the book. I thought it was that one. It
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Speaker 3: was that one.
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Speaker 5: So there could be a little bit of that.
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Speaker 3: Whether that's Leo Potter's intention, I don't know, but the
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Speaker 3: fact that there's two names with that same surname or
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Speaker 3: two people.
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Speaker 1: Whether it will make a bit of a difference mark up.
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Speaker 3: A little bit of the voting patterns.
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Speaker 6: Well, I've been out in Funny Bay with Ben Hoskins,
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Speaker 6: which is the COLP candidate, and we've been jaw knocking
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Speaker 6: and I can tell you that those people in that
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Speaker 6: electric feel like they have not been listened to, they
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Speaker 6: haven't had visits from Michael Gunner in the past, and
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Speaker 6: they are looking for change now.
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Speaker 1: One of the things that one of them things that
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Speaker 1: has been raised with us so as well is whether
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Speaker 1: the grand Stand debarcle is going to have any part
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Speaker 1: to play in this by election.
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Speaker 3: Well, it could, and I think it would go against
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Speaker 3: the government if it does. If it is a factor,
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Speaker 3: And whether the c ORP uses it as a as
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Speaker 3: a tool or whether the Greens used it as a tool,
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Speaker 3: I don't know, but I think that will definitely go
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Speaker 3: against the government to a certain extent. The fact that
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Speaker 3: it's mostly you know, sort of done and done and dusted,
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Speaker 3: so to speak. But the legacy is there. And I
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Speaker 3: think also that the mandated employment of sorry, mandated vaccination
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Speaker 3: for employment, I still think has left a bad taste
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Speaker 3: in people's mouths for whatever reason. And there is that
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Speaker 3: subtle movement still out there. I mean, that's gone away clearly,
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Speaker 3: but a lot of people, as we get very angry
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Speaker 3: at and particularly they targeted that the past Chief Minister
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Speaker 3: was to gun right you're wrongly. So I think that's
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Speaker 3: going to be a factor as well. And you don't
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Speaker 3: always get that in the in the social media. You
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Speaker 3: get it from draw knocking.
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Speaker 1: Now what about this, you know, these claims of Paul Barreling.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that people are going to see through that?
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Speaker 4: Absolutely? I think again, when like elections one from people
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Speaker 4: vote for a variety of issues. People will be moved
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Speaker 4: by the environmental movement, people will be economics, people vote
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Speaker 4: for different reasons, and it's about providing the opportunity for
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Speaker 4: people out there to meet candidates, you know. I mean
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Speaker 4: our candidate Brent pot has been out talking to people,
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Speaker 4: having great responses and really engaging in fulsome discussion. But
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Speaker 4: I mean again, as Keyses pointed out, people do vote
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Speaker 4: based on different issues. It's not a one issue. It's
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Speaker 4: really hard, I guess to determine in this when you're
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Speaker 4: trying to break down from the election results, what was
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Speaker 4: the main motivator. I mean both parties. When we come
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Speaker 4: out of an election, we always try to do that
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Speaker 4: review and understand what the trends were. But again for
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Speaker 4: a by election, it is it's difficult to really understand
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Speaker 4: sometimes what those motivating a desire.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, but the Grandstand issue and the Aikuk investigations, they're
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Speaker 6: not done in dust.
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Speaker 1: We will we will talk a little bit more about
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Speaker 1: the ICAC legislation in just a little while, but we're
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Speaker 1: going to take a bit of a break. It's just
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Speaker 1: on twenty minutes after nine o'clock. Now that number. If
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Speaker 1: you do want to get in contact with us this morning,
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Speaker 1: you can send us a message zero four double nine
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Speaker 1: seven double one three six zero. Now we do know
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Speaker 1: earlier in the week we discussed this quite extensively with
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Speaker 1: both the Chief Minister and also the Opposition leader on
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Speaker 1: Tuesday morning, because it may have missed it towards the
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Speaker 1: end of last week, but the former Chief Minister Michael
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Speaker 1: Gunner rejected a request for information from the territory's corruption
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Speaker 1: watchdog about a serious allegation regarding a cabinet submission. Now.
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Speaker 1: The Independent Commissioner against Corruption, Michael Riches, made the revelation
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Speaker 1: in a report which was tabled in Parliament last week,
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Speaker 1: saying that mister Gunner's refusal was based on an exemption
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Speaker 1: for cabinet documents under the IKAK Act. And you know,
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Speaker 1: the question really was, well, certainly that I'd ask both
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Speaker 1: the Opposition Leader and the Chief Minister on Tuesday was
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Speaker 1: you know, do you think that it's appropriate for the
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Speaker 1: former Chief Minister to refuse the request from the IKAK
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Speaker 1: given the fact that the Commissioner has said that it
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Speaker 1: was a serious allegation relating to the context of cabinet submission,
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Speaker 1: a cabinet submission being edited by a public officer so
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Speaker 1: as to be misleading as to the true state of affairs.
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Speaker 1: Now it sort of led further to a discussion on
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Speaker 1: Tuesday with both the Opposition Leader and the Chief Minister
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Speaker 1: about whether we need to be looking at what they
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Speaker 1: are doing in Queensland. Whereas Stajiah Palichet, the Premieer there,
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Speaker 1: has agreed to after there was the full review the
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Speaker 1: release of cabinet documents after thirty days rather than thirty years.
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Speaker 1: So firstly, I think if we can touch on the
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Speaker 1: fact that, you know, is it appropriate for you know,
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Speaker 1: the former Chief Minister to be able to refuse.
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Speaker 3: There's a couple of issues at play here. I can't
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Speaker 3: in my memory think why it's thirty years, whether it's
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Speaker 3: in legislation or it's just been a convention in the church,
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Speaker 3: that does seem it's a long time. It is a
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Speaker 3: long time. Yes, I know that, but I think I
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Speaker 3: think thirty days might be just a bit too short,
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Speaker 3: you know, like it could be a year because I think,
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Speaker 3: not having been privy to cabinet, but of course chance
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Speaker 3: he is. There could be a range of issues commercial
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Speaker 3: in confidence, there could be personal in confidence. There could
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Speaker 3: be you know, plans going forward that are going to
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Speaker 3: be controversial but something that government has to make a
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Speaker 3: hard decision about. Now. If they got out within a
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Speaker 3: thirty day period, it could jeopardize a whole range of issues,
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Speaker 3: both in the private sector and the public sector. So
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Speaker 3: there's that component of whether they should be released, you know,
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Speaker 3: and that's something that we can one can debate into
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Speaker 3: the future. But the fact that someone has obviously misled
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Speaker 3: cabinet because obviously the k Commissioner his investigation has found
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Speaker 3: this out without using any names, and then ask the
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Speaker 3: Chief Minister for further papers to obviously support or to
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Speaker 3: back up this, I guess allegation that someone has misslied,
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Speaker 3: But it doesn't say are we assuming that it's about
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Speaker 3: the turf Club?
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Speaker 1: We don't know. This is a thing we don't actually
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Speaker 1: know here it's a cabinet submission.
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Speaker 3: Would tend to assume it's something controversial in the last
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Speaker 3: twelve months, and why the chief Ministers before the past
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Speaker 3: Chief Missi refused to release whichever documents they wanted brings
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Speaker 3: into question.
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Speaker 5: Why yeah, well that's exactly right.
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Speaker 1: Questions right, And we do know my understanding and I
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Speaker 1: did read it in the IQQ report that was handed
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Speaker 1: to the Parliament or table to the Parliament last week
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Speaker 1: that there was then a separate issue which the now
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Speaker 1: Chief Minister was asked to table documents and she did,
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Speaker 1: she did pass that on. So look, I don't know
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Speaker 1: exactly what this is into. But the whole point, in
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Speaker 1: my humble opinion, is that we're talking about an IKAQ
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Speaker 1: being able to investigate allegations, various allegations. But we're talking
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Speaker 1: about a whole area, you know, i e. Cabinet where
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Speaker 1: he can't look into certain things unless he's given that information. Now,
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Speaker 1: how can he do his job properly?
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Speaker 6: And this is the stench of corruption that we're seeing
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Speaker 6: from the fifth floor and the Labor government. I mean,
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Speaker 6: what are they hiding and who were they protecting? Natasha
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Speaker 6: Files absolutely needs to provide that document to the IKAK report.
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Speaker 6: We can't just have someone saying, oh, I don't feel
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Speaker 6: like giving it to you today. IKAK is there for
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Speaker 6: a very good reason. It was set up to ensure
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Speaker 6: that we had integrity. The Labor Party have done everything,
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Speaker 6: but having any kind of interrick integrity about them.
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Speaker 4: I think that's absolute rubbish. Let's be clear here, it's
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Speaker 4: the territory Labor government that introduced the IKAK legislation because
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Speaker 4: the CLP were running as far as they could maybe
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Speaker 4: should from the establishment of an IQAQ. So that's incompletely
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Speaker 4: rich of you to stay that look there. Obviously we
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Speaker 4: introduced the IKIC legislation. Each matter is individual, each matter
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Speaker 4: will require a different response. And going to the point
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Speaker 4: that keys's raised absolutely thirty days like they're doing in
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Speaker 4: Queensland does open up the matter of there are matters
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Speaker 4: that will still be going on. We are beyond do
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Speaker 4: you reckon they're.
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Speaker 1: Doing it then in Queensland, I mean presumably they've had
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Speaker 1: to have some pretty serious legal advice, some pretty serious
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Speaker 1: advice around this. They can't just go yep, we're going
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Speaker 1: to do it and look, I take that on board.
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Speaker 1: I take that. There is obviously commercial and confidence and
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Speaker 1: things like that. But you know, the fact of the
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Speaker 1: matter here is the way that it comes across to
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Speaker 1: territories is that we're really happy for corruption investigations to
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Speaker 1: take place, but not if it involves us exactly, i e.
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Speaker 1: Whoever is in power, you know, whether it's labor or
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Speaker 1: whether it's the COLP. If you're not able to look
17:41
Speaker 1: into cabinet, then how far can he actually investigate Shaddy.
17:45
Speaker 3: The other aspect probably that we should consider is the
17:48
Speaker 3: individual's rights. I mean, there may be an issue if
17:52
Speaker 3: the previous chief minutes to hand it over relevant papers
17:54
Speaker 3: that it exposed this individual and he or she hasn't
17:58
Speaker 3: had their light it's protected. I mean, if the person's
18:02
Speaker 3: been named somehow and it's obvious according to the ik
18:05
Speaker 3: Full that there's been a misleading of cabinet. That person
18:09
Speaker 3: has rights as well, and maybe that's part of the mixture. Now, yeah, Look,
18:13
Speaker 3: maybe the Chief Minister got advice from the Solicitor General.
18:16
Speaker 4: I don't know.
18:17
Speaker 2: None of us know.
18:18
Speaker 4: It's a complex system to work through. I think the
18:21
Speaker 4: Office of the Independent Commissionering Ants Corruption has been consulted
18:26
Speaker 4: at the legislative review that is underway, and surely they
18:30
Speaker 4: will work through and provide opportunities to look at how
18:33
Speaker 4: we can continue to contemporize and have best practice standards
18:37
Speaker 4: reflected in the ICACKED Act from twenty seventeen. This is
18:42
Speaker 4: the first time it was established in the territory. With anything,
18:45
Speaker 4: there's always ways to look at and review around how
18:47
Speaker 4: you can temporize that and feature those best practice.
18:50
Speaker 1: Off is that review from being released?
18:52
Speaker 4: Look, that review is underway. I'm aware that the KAC
18:56
Speaker 4: office has been consulted on that and that'll be released
19:01
Speaker 4: in due course. Now.
19:02
Speaker 1: I know that the Chief Minister had said to me
19:03
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago when I asked about whether
19:05
Speaker 1: it would be made public, she had said that there
19:07
Speaker 1: would be elements which wouldn't be able to be made public.
19:10
Speaker 1: But you know, if this is a review that we want,
19:14
Speaker 1: you know, we're looking for openness and transparency, shouldn't it
19:17
Speaker 1: be Yeah.
19:18
Speaker 4: Look, I think again the Chief Minister is the minister
19:22
Speaker 4: who has carriage of that review and certainly we will
19:26
Speaker 4: step it through and making sure that where we can
19:28
Speaker 4: have the appropriate documents out there for consultation and for
19:32
Speaker 4: discussion absolutely important and where we need to consult with
19:35
Speaker 4: those stakeholders it is important. I mean, Cabinet confidentiality is
19:40
Speaker 4: an important and an established privilege and the existing legislative
19:44
Speaker 4: approach aligns with the IK legislations from other jurisdictions, Katie,
19:48
Speaker 4: So yeah, we need to you know, it's new twenty seventeen.
19:52
Speaker 4: It was the first time the territory had an KAK
19:54
Speaker 4: and now we need to review that and look at
19:56
Speaker 4: based on where we've gone and what's happened so far,
19:59
Speaker 4: where can we look to and see those constant improvements.
20:01
Speaker 6: At the end of the day, we want Natasha Files
20:04
Speaker 6: as the Chief Minister to show that she is very
20:07
Speaker 6: different to our former Chief Minister and Michael Gubba and
20:10
Speaker 6: act with integrity because right now we still see them
20:13
Speaker 6: ducking and weaving, and there's a lot of spin coming
20:14
Speaker 6: from Chancy over there. But we need IIKA to be
20:17
Speaker 6: a robust organization that can actually look into everything, including cabinets.
20:22
Speaker 3: And also look at it in a timely manner.
20:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, well this is the thing, you know. I think
20:26
Speaker 1: that that is incredibly important. But look, we're going to
20:28
Speaker 1: take a very short break. You're listening to Mix one
20:30
Speaker 1: O four nine's three sixty. There is always so much
20:34
Speaker 1: to discuss on this show, There's no doubt about that.
20:37
Speaker 1: Now I do want to talk about some of the
20:39
Speaker 1: antisocial issues that we've obviously seen around the place. It's
20:42
Speaker 1: been a big topic for discussion over recent weeks, there
20:45
Speaker 1: is no doubt about that. We caught up with the
20:49
Speaker 1: Lord Mayor of Darwin combat Scalis a little bit earlier
20:52
Speaker 1: in the week. Now take a bit of a listen
20:54
Speaker 1: to what he had to say, what he thought may
20:57
Speaker 1: be an idea or something that could be happening to
21:00
Speaker 1: try and deal with some of the issues that we
21:02
Speaker 1: are saying.
21:03
Speaker 7: I wrote a four page letter the Chief Minister expressing
21:06
Speaker 7: what I think about the whole story. I told you
21:09
Speaker 7: to bring back the tukilometer low. I told them to
21:11
Speaker 7: strenger the BDR to address the second supply. I even
21:15
Speaker 7: suggested a trespassing order. You have a disociate behavior from
21:18
Speaker 7: community here in Darwin. You get twelve months suspension. You
21:21
Speaker 7: can't come into Darwin or any other set of where
21:24
Speaker 7: you bridge the law unless it's medical reason or legal
21:27
Speaker 7: reason and with an escort. I mean, we have to
21:30
Speaker 7: address the issue. People come from communities that they can
21:32
Speaker 7: only drink mental strength beer.
21:34
Speaker 4: They come to Darwin, it's party.
21:37
Speaker 1: So that was the Lord Mayor of Darwin combat scarlets
21:39
Speaker 1: on the show.
21:40
Speaker 4: Now.
21:40
Speaker 1: I do also want to point out that I have
21:42
Speaker 1: been speaking with John Koenig from John John's Overnight and
21:46
Speaker 1: I understand that in the city overnight at the twenty
21:50
Speaker 1: four hour basically at a couple of the twenty four
21:53
Speaker 1: hour stores in the city that they had youths going
21:56
Speaker 1: and I guess run a mark.
21:59
Speaker 2: Is the he's the only way that.
22:03
Speaker 4: Case.
22:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's actually you know, like the thing that
22:05
Speaker 1: I think to myself is how do you still go
22:08
Speaker 1: to bloody work.
22:11
Speaker 6: Teenagers who work at these stores sometimes? Yeah, you know,
22:14
Speaker 6: imagine having to get that call and then that child
22:17
Speaker 6: and that youth is upset for the rest of their lives.
22:19
Speaker 1: Well, this impact and it's like, no matter how you
22:22
Speaker 1: look at it, there are issues right across the board
22:25
Speaker 1: when it comes to anti social behavior. I mean, you know,
22:29
Speaker 1: yesterday a statement came out from the Northern Territory Police.
22:32
Speaker 1: A man arrested following a domestic violence incident that occurred
22:36
Speaker 1: in Jingly on Wednesday night. It's alleged two men known
22:40
Speaker 1: to each other engaged in a physical alteration, altercation that
22:45
Speaker 1: later resulted in the death of a forty one year
22:47
Speaker 1: old man. Now, look, we have got some serious issues
22:51
Speaker 1: right now when it comes to I think the misuse
22:54
Speaker 1: of alcohol, when it comes to antisocial behavior, when it
22:57
Speaker 1: comes to domestic violence, and we can't really lump all
22:59
Speaker 1: of them into the one category when it comes to
23:02
Speaker 1: the response of those things. But you know, people deserve
23:06
Speaker 1: to be able to go to work safe. They deserve
23:09
Speaker 1: to be able to walk the streets and feel safe.
23:12
Speaker 1: And right now people are saying that they don't feel
23:16
Speaker 1: that way.
23:16
Speaker 6: No they don't, Katie, And I mean the CeAl P
23:18
Speaker 6: opposition has called for the two kilometer rule to be reinstated.
23:24
Speaker 2: And that's just that's just one measure.
23:26
Speaker 6: And what happens is the government is just saying go away,
23:28
Speaker 6: we don't want to hear from you, and it's not
23:29
Speaker 6: what people are saying.
23:30
Speaker 2: But it's not just the opposition.
23:33
Speaker 6: We have business owners calling for that, we have the
23:35
Speaker 6: Lord mayor calling for that. We have Larichian nations saying
23:37
Speaker 6: that that's a good idea as well, because we need
23:39
Speaker 6: to do something with even one measure the results.
23:42
Speaker 1: Like the way that it has been changed is it's
23:44
Speaker 1: now a medical response rather than a criminal response, is
23:48
Speaker 1: my understanding. It's a response where you're tipping out rather
23:52
Speaker 1: than you know, I guess picking people up.
23:55
Speaker 2: That's right.
23:55
Speaker 6: There's no charge for it. So if you're causing problems,
23:58
Speaker 6: the police cannot do anything. They can't take you somewhere else.
24:00
Speaker 6: They just let you run a muck. And that that's
24:02
Speaker 6: the business and the people that.
24:04
Speaker 4: Are putting up with the truth.
24:06
Speaker 2: You must be out of touch chance already.
24:08
Speaker 4: Have you been down the mall kilometer area of a venue?
24:13
Speaker 4: There are the part I don't even know the plan,
24:16
Speaker 4: So what will say then?
24:17
Speaker 1: If you can't, why are people doing it right now?
24:20
Speaker 4: That police still have the powers to tip out and
24:23
Speaker 4: destroy alcohol consumed within those areas, and they still hold
24:27
Speaker 4: the powers to arrest and infringe when that behavior becomes disorderly,
24:34
Speaker 4: why aren't they doing it then the police are doing it?
24:37
Speaker 3: Well, they might be out of alcohol.
24:39
Speaker 1: Well I don't know. I mean, I don't know how
24:41
Speaker 1: much alcohol is being tipped out.
24:42
Speaker 3: But having said that, Katie, if people are just sitting
24:45
Speaker 3: on a park bench.
24:46
Speaker 1: Well I don't think I don't think that's the concern.
24:48
Speaker 1: I think if people are sitting around on a park bench,
24:50
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a big worry in any way. But
24:52
Speaker 1: you know, when you're talking about the anti social behavior,
24:54
Speaker 1: when you're talking about, you know, people wielding knives in
24:57
Speaker 1: will words last week, when you're talking about, you know,
25:01
Speaker 1: people being naked on the street, it should be I
25:04
Speaker 1: think there's a you know, like there's a lot of examples.
25:06
Speaker 3: I think the terminology perhaps needs to be looked at.
25:09
Speaker 3: We say anti social because it's it's against the social behavior,
25:12
Speaker 3: but perhaps we should be referring to it as threatening
25:15
Speaker 3: and aggressive behavior performed by individuals, and then may the
25:18
Speaker 3: message might get through. Antisocial could be anything from picking
25:21
Speaker 3: your nose to being violent, violent and aggressive, So perhaps
25:25
Speaker 3: the language needs to be looked at.
25:26
Speaker 1: So one of the things through one of the things
25:28
Speaker 1: the government did announce this week yesterday announced that two
25:32
Speaker 1: new anti social behavior measures in and in a bid
25:35
Speaker 1: to link people up to shelters and also support services,
25:38
Speaker 1: the territory government is investing one million dollars on a
25:41
Speaker 1: twelve month courtesy bus trial and also extending the foreshore
25:44
Speaker 1: security patrols for another twelve months. So both of those
25:47
Speaker 1: initiatives are an investment of five hundred grand and it
25:50
Speaker 1: is part of what they're hoping will obviously make some
25:53
Speaker 1: changes to this anti social behavior situation. But we do
25:58
Speaker 1: know as well. The courtesy bus is going to be
26:01
Speaker 1: run by a private provider, with the tender to be
26:04
Speaker 1: advertised shortly. It's going to run across Darwen and Palmerston
26:07
Speaker 1: and will drop individuals off to Baton Road. Baton Road
26:10
Speaker 1: is indeed there to accommodate up to four hundred and
26:13
Speaker 1: fifty people dependent on family groups. Is it a situation
26:17
Speaker 1: here though, where it is very much voluntary? You know,
26:19
Speaker 1: is somebody like if somebody is in the city doing
26:23
Speaker 1: the wrong thing, not necessarily criminal behavior, but doing the
26:26
Speaker 1: wrong thing, we can't really expect the bus driver to
26:29
Speaker 1: put them on the bus, can we?
26:31
Speaker 4: Again? I think we need to acknowledge that that service
26:33
Speaker 4: is there to link people up to have the opportunity
26:36
Speaker 4: to be transported safely and securely. Again, if people are
26:41
Speaker 4: in our urban areas and they're not doing anything that
26:44
Speaker 4: is seen to bear anti social then they have every
26:48
Speaker 4: right to be there where we are working with and
26:51
Speaker 4: this is a community response in partnership with government, and
26:54
Speaker 4: we've got great providers like Larakia Nation in Darwin and
26:58
Speaker 4: tonguen Jura Council in alas Bris is working with people
27:01
Speaker 4: and the Youth Outreach and Engagement officers, why Territory families
27:05
Speaker 4: in communities. It's working with people to understand the efforts
27:09
Speaker 4: of why they're out on the street, what are the issues?
27:12
Speaker 4: Do they have a safe place to go to?
27:15
Speaker 3: Well?
27:15
Speaker 1: Look, I have just been messaged by a listener who
27:17
Speaker 1: said that they are at one of Darwin's beautiful restaurants
27:20
Speaker 1: last night. I'm not going to name which one it is,
27:22
Speaker 1: but at a beautiful restaurant last night where a woman
27:25
Speaker 1: ran past screaming because she's being chased by a man.
27:28
Speaker 1: He then started throwing rocks inside that restaurant at the
27:32
Speaker 1: patrons that were there, because she'd obviously gone there for refuge.
27:36
Speaker 1: You know, this is the kind of thing that we're
27:38
Speaker 1: talking about. That's right.
27:39
Speaker 2: I agree with you, County.
27:40
Speaker 6: A bus striver isn't going to be able to do that.
27:41
Speaker 6: I mean, we have our transit safety officers on buses
27:44
Speaker 6: who have very limited powers and really struggle to keep
27:47
Speaker 6: that under control because they don't have access to the police.
27:50
Speaker 6: I mean, the police estimates just recently revealed really damning
27:54
Speaker 6: data about the territory police officers who are being forced
27:57
Speaker 6: to waste several hours the taxi service instead of fighting
28:01
Speaker 6: the crime. I mean they're either dropping them off to
28:03
Speaker 6: the hospital, the watchhouse, a sobering up shelter, or even
28:06
Speaker 6: to their home, and that is an absolute disgrace. I mean,
28:09
Speaker 6: essentially our police officers have been turned into a taxi
28:11
Speaker 6: service and that's just not good enough.
28:13
Speaker 4: Well that's pretty insulting because police don't do that, do
28:16
Speaker 4: a whole range of things to keep territory and safe.
28:19
Speaker 4: We've got organizations out there who provide that service to
28:23
Speaker 4: take people in. This service that we've announced will again
28:25
Speaker 4: be a service, a bus service to provide the transportation
28:29
Speaker 4: for people in the community. But our police do do
28:31
Speaker 4: an outstanding job here in the territory around doing everything
28:35
Speaker 4: that they can to keep territory and safe. We've got
28:38
Speaker 4: those organizations. There's always ways in looking at things of
28:42
Speaker 4: how we can do things differently, but you know, we
28:45
Speaker 4: simply cannot have police on every single corner of the street.
28:48
Speaker 4: This requires a community response.
28:50
Speaker 1: Do you think of of combat Scarlett's suggestion there that
28:53
Speaker 1: if somebody's broken the law, if they've done the wrong
28:55
Speaker 1: thing in the city, and they are banned from being
28:57
Speaker 1: able to go back into the city for a period
28:59
Speaker 1: of time unless they're here for medical treatment or unless
29:02
Speaker 1: they're I don't know.
29:03
Speaker 3: Businesses have the right to ban people from their premises,
29:07
Speaker 3: you know, like a licensed establishments do, and probably any
29:11
Speaker 3: other business does for that matter. You know, if someone
29:13
Speaker 3: causes you grief in your business, you have the right
29:16
Speaker 3: to say you are not welcome in this business. I
29:18
Speaker 3: guess the law So yeah, I actually don't have an
29:20
Speaker 3: issue with what con say. How it's coorsd is another.
29:23
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was thinking.
29:24
Speaker 3: Where's the boundary?
29:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess that opens up a whole conversation around
29:28
Speaker 4: the legalities of that and the pinging on people's rights
29:33
Speaker 4: to access goods and services and free movement.
29:36
Speaker 1: I do just want to talk for a moment about,
29:38
Speaker 1: you know, what's happened overnight with these videos that have
29:40
Speaker 1: emerged as well from the twenty four to seven stores,
29:42
Speaker 1: because we are going to talk to one of the
29:44
Speaker 1: staff that was in one of those stores a little
29:47
Speaker 1: bit later on the show. So essentially, for those who've
29:51
Speaker 1: not seen the videos, what it shows essentially is a
29:55
Speaker 1: group of young people, sort of four young people going
29:58
Speaker 1: into the show, you know, jumping over the counter. There's
30:02
Speaker 1: one guy working behind the counter, jumping over the counter,
30:05
Speaker 1: throwing things.
30:06
Speaker 2: He has a weapon as Yeah, I.
30:07
Speaker 1: Don't know exactly what that weapon.
30:09
Speaker 6: Is, I believe it throws it at the person and
30:12
Speaker 6: you can see the person looking at his arm like
30:14
Speaker 6: he has been nicked with something.
30:16
Speaker 1: Yep, and then you know, running off with I don't
30:19
Speaker 1: even know what.
30:20
Speaker 6: And making an atrocious mess throughout the whole story.
30:23
Speaker 1: But also it would be absolutely frightening, you know, like
30:27
Speaker 1: it would be really quite terrifying, and it's not, you know,
30:30
Speaker 1: it's it's not a one off. Last night, I'm told
30:32
Speaker 1: that the Vintage sellers and that two of those twenty
30:35
Speaker 1: four seven stores will targeted. You know, how can we
30:40
Speaker 1: stop this.
30:41
Speaker 6: Well, we need the government to stop talking about all
30:43
Speaker 6: the things that they say that they are doing. I mean,
30:45
Speaker 6: it's clearly not working. They keep discounting and dismissing every
30:49
Speaker 6: other suggestion that is made. I mean, the two kilometer
30:52
Speaker 6: rule is only one measure, but if it's implemented then
30:55
Speaker 6: it's something. It sends a message to people that are
30:58
Speaker 6: doing the wrong thing that they can't do the wrong thing.
31:01
Speaker 6: They can't just come into town and go nuts and
31:03
Speaker 6: hurt other people. And clearly, you know, even today the
31:07
Speaker 6: Minister is for the Attorney General is just dismissing all
31:10
Speaker 6: those ideas.
31:11
Speaker 4: Let's just pull it back. You're talking about the two
31:13
Speaker 4: kilometer rule. You yourself said it would just move the problem
31:17
Speaker 4: on to another area. So that's quite rich for you
31:19
Speaker 4: to actually say that your full well acknowledging that you're
31:23
Speaker 4: moving the problem.
31:24
Speaker 2: We need to protect our business, we need to protect.
31:27
Speaker 4: Let's move on here and push it out. We need
31:30
Speaker 4: to ors first for a change in a way. Victims
31:33
Speaker 4: are front and center. All they never talk about is
31:35
Speaker 4: the offendaking and policies. Look, any of this behavior that
31:39
Speaker 4: we are seeing across the territory is absolutely disgusting and
31:43
Speaker 4: we do work in that space of trying to overcome that.
31:46
Speaker 4: That is the role of government to work with and
31:49
Speaker 4: partner with federal governments, to work with local governments, to
31:52
Speaker 4: work with the community, because one agency alone is not
31:56
Speaker 4: going to be able to tackle this. We've got to
31:59
Speaker 4: all come to get and do that work. Now there's
32:01
Speaker 4: a whole range of initiatives that are being worked on,
32:04
Speaker 4: that are being trialed, and then we do work with
32:07
Speaker 4: the community. You'll see very recently an example of that
32:10
Speaker 4: is the work that Minister Warden Territory Families, Housing and
32:13
Speaker 4: Communities and police is done. Certainly in Alice Springs. I
32:16
Speaker 4: mean there's a public Order Response unit that has been
32:20
Speaker 4: established in Alice Springs. There's more coordination, there's more resourcing.
32:24
Speaker 1: To having an impact. Is it making a difference.
32:27
Speaker 4: That's very early days that has come into effect, but
32:31
Speaker 4: from all accounts talking with Minister Warden and the team,
32:34
Speaker 4: absolutely seeing positive results there.
32:36
Speaker 1: Talking with the locals, like what about the constituents.
32:40
Speaker 4: I'm from Alice Springs. It's my home and it will
32:42
Speaker 4: always be my home. But you know, certainly as well,
32:46
Speaker 4: having now a federal government that made a commitment in
32:49
Speaker 4: the election around justice reinvestment and saying that Alice Springs
32:54
Speaker 4: is a site for justice reinvestment will mean additional resources
32:58
Speaker 4: and having the Commonwealth involved in working with us as
33:02
Speaker 4: a community to trial things. I mean, look at I
33:05
Speaker 4: just point and I'm very keen to go over and
33:08
Speaker 4: have a look at Burke in New South Wales myself.
33:10
Speaker 4: That's a place where justice reinvestment was trial and there
33:13
Speaker 4: are very positive results there, not just in the anti
33:17
Speaker 4: social behavior space, but in the levels of people completing
33:20
Speaker 4: school and participation.
33:22
Speaker 1: So is that more are they doing more sort of
33:24
Speaker 1: stuff when it comes to youths or when it comes
33:26
Speaker 1: to anti social behavior or a bit of both.
33:28
Speaker 4: It's a bit of both. I mean, certainly when we
33:31
Speaker 4: look at how we engage people. We're trialing in Alice
33:34
Speaker 4: at the moment what's referred to as a Sunset school,
33:37
Speaker 4: so it's running beyond the traditional hours of school, so
33:40
Speaker 4: that when young people are out at night on the street,
33:43
Speaker 4: people often say there's nowhere to take them. Well, having
33:46
Speaker 4: a sunset school gives you an opportunity to have a
33:48
Speaker 4: legitimate place to take someone and do those therapeutic measures
33:52
Speaker 4: to address those behaviors.
33:54
Speaker 1: I reckon all of that stuff is really important. There
33:56
Speaker 1: is no doubt about that. There has to be that
33:58
Speaker 1: intervention to try to, you know, to make some in
34:01
Speaker 1: roads here. But there also has to be that intervention
34:05
Speaker 1: right at the pointy end. That's right right now where
34:07
Speaker 1: there needs to be, you know, there needs to be
34:10
Speaker 1: some immediate action to try to stop what we are
34:13
Speaker 1: seeing on the streets, because it's not good enough for
34:15
Speaker 1: people to not be able to go to work and
34:18
Speaker 1: feel safe having you know, a gang of young people,
34:21
Speaker 1: you know coming into your shop and thinking what is
34:24
Speaker 1: going to happen here?
34:25
Speaker 6: That's right, and that's where it comes to. Put in
34:26
Speaker 6: the victims first, I mean chance, he mentioned Minister Warden.
34:30
Speaker 6: Last Parliament sitting, Minister Warden jumped up and got to
34:33
Speaker 6: her feet and said that we cannot rob these us
34:37
Speaker 6: of their future. And it was appalling because she didn't
34:40
Speaker 6: think and say what about the people who are the
34:43
Speaker 6: victims who are having their futures robbed? I mean that
34:46
Speaker 6: young person working in that's our twenty four to seven shop.
34:48
Speaker 6: He has had his future robbed. And all we are
34:52
Speaker 6: focusing is on those youths and those people who continue
34:55
Speaker 6: to break the law. We're not dealing with those people
34:57
Speaker 6: and that is where.
34:58
Speaker 4: I need to deal with it.
34:59
Speaker 7: True.
34:59
Speaker 4: That is simply not true. We are investing in those
35:04
Speaker 4: support services and therapeutic interventions for the programs we are working. Absolutely,
35:10
Speaker 4: we work with the victims to understand how we can
35:13
Speaker 4: look at continuing to build on the services that we
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Speaker 4: provide and address those And let me be clear, the
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Speaker 4: CLP approach of jailing, well, jailing is failing right.
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Speaker 1: Well, look everything consequence.
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Speaker 6: It doesn't always have to be jailing consequence. Some kind
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Speaker 6: of consequence.
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Speaker 4: And consequences and people being held accountable for their actions
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Speaker 4: is absolutely an integral part.
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Speaker 2: So whyn't happen.
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Speaker 4: It's about people being involved in therapeutic interventions and measures
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Speaker 4: that So our.
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Speaker 2: Touch champ is no, you do not speak too.
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Speaker 1: We are going to have to head to a break.
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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.
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Speaker 1: You are listening to the week that was. Now there
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Speaker 1: has been quite a bit happening throughout the week as
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Speaker 1: we have been discussing. But one of the things that
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Speaker 1: has indeed happened is a bill to restore territory rights
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Speaker 1: has passed the House of Reps. It passed a bit
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Speaker 1: earlier in the week edging the Act and the Northern
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Speaker 1: Territory closer to being able to set our own laws
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Speaker 1: on voluntary assisted dying. So if passed in the Senate,
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Speaker 1: the bill will give us here in the Northern Territory
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Speaker 1: the right to vote on the issue. Will certainly our politicians,
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Speaker 1: all of whom you are to vote on the legislation. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: well new legislation.
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Speaker 3: Yes. What Kevin Andrews low Life did, your friend in
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Speaker 3: lubber Ring, what he did all those years ago and
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Speaker 3: all his all his mates, was they inserted a clause
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Speaker 3: into the Self Government actually and into the Act Self
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Speaker 3: GOVERNORENTC that prohibited the Northern Territory from bringing in a
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Speaker 3: law even if it wanted to. So what people have
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Speaker 3: tried over the years, I think Bob Brown tried, I
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Speaker 3: think some other people tried and pasted, Sam Marhon tried,
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Speaker 3: and our Gosling's done. A private member's bill is to
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Speaker 3: remove that clare from those pieces of legislation, such that
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Speaker 3: if the Government of the day up here wishes to
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Speaker 3: bring in a bill, or someone wants to bring in
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Speaker 3: a private member's bill, because I think that might be
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Speaker 3: the way it goes again. But I'm sand to be corrected,
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Speaker 3: then we can do it. And it's always been about
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Speaker 3: fairness and equity, and we all know well, I'll remind
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Speaker 3: people who weren't around in that time Kevin Andrews was
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Speaker 3: a good religious boy, and all his religious mates, including
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Speaker 3: Tony Windsor and Warwick Peera and all those kind of
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Speaker 3: past politicians didn't give a ratsass about the Northern Territories
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Speaker 3: rights and amended our legislation supported by John Howard too
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Speaker 3: such that it prohibited us. First of all, it knocked
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Speaker 3: out Marshall parents writes the terminally ill and then inserted
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Speaker 3: that clause into it so we could never bring in
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Speaker 3: the bill. But now good on them, and good on
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Speaker 3: the people who've supported it, because I mean, I think
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Speaker 3: most of the states have now got.
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Speaker 1: Sil I think it's just us in the Act.
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Speaker 2: I still got to go set that.
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Speaker 1: But my understanding is that you know that that bill, well,
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Speaker 1: it's the first time that a private members bill has
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Speaker 1: passed the House of Reps in eleven years.
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Speaker 3: About accurate, and Luke Gosling and his team and the
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Speaker 3: Parliamentary Council down there for pulling a bill together. But
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Speaker 3: the issue or the question that will be once and
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Speaker 3: we're all hoping it will pass because we're about fairness
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Speaker 3: and equity or not about the actual euthanasia at this
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Speaker 3: point in time.
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Speaker 4: I think that's a really important thing to acknowledge that
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Speaker 4: two parts here. This is the primary part at the
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Speaker 4: moment with this particular bill, private members bill, is about
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Speaker 4: the need to progress the territories rights right.
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Speaker 6: This is I think we can all agree on that
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Speaker 6: absolutely support.
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Speaker 4: This is a restoring the ability for the territory's.
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Speaker 5: Rights and to make our own decisions. Katie.
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Speaker 3: If the current Labor government is not keen or doesn't
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Speaker 3: wish to bring in a bill for whatever reason, I'm
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Speaker 3: quite happy to bring in a private member's bill Northern
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Speaker 3: Territory Parliament to debate once again this important legislation thing
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Speaker 3: that Labor will do well.
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Speaker 4: I guess what we're saying at the moment is this
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Speaker 4: bill doesn't legislate euthanasia. What it does do is allow
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Speaker 4: the territory to make the decision if it were to legislate.
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Speaker 4: What we do see here as well is this is
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Speaker 4: not a new concept for the territory. We were the first.
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Speaker 4: We were the first Australian jurisdiction in the world.
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Speaker 3: I think there was some Scandinavian countries. I think, so
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Speaker 3: you're one of the first place jurisdiction dictions to ever
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Speaker 3: and a sub national jurisdiction to do it.
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Speaker 4: So I guess recognizing that we have unfortunately been in
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Speaker 4: a position where we had the legislation, we had it
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Speaker 4: in place, that was taken away from us, and then
39:44
Speaker 4: over time we've watched every other jurisdiction in this country
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Speaker 4: legislate and start that process. What we've said is if
39:53
Speaker 4: that bill does pass the Senate, then that will certainly
39:55
Speaker 4: be a conversation we'll look at will know that the
39:58
Speaker 4: legislation still sits on the statute books, but it needs
40:03
Speaker 4: to be the practices have changed. Yeah, it needs to
40:06
Speaker 4: be contemporized, it needs to be best practice standards. But
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Speaker 4: what we are fortunate enough to have is that each
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Speaker 4: state and territory have each other state has enacted legislation,
40:17
Speaker 4: so we can look at that and then we can
40:19
Speaker 4: then look best parts, bring that together, look at that
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Speaker 4: in legislation, and then that would go to Parliament and
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Speaker 4: that would be a conscience vote.
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Speaker 1: Well, and this is the thing, you know, it still
40:30
Speaker 1: has to pass through even the Northern Territory Parliament, and
40:32
Speaker 1: I know that it is a conscience vote and that
40:34
Speaker 1: some people have very strong opinions in this space, which
40:37
Speaker 1: I can understand complex issue, but also fundamentally, each and
40:40
Speaker 1: every one of you are elected to represent your community,
40:43
Speaker 1: so I would expect that it would be a discussion.
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Speaker 6: It's not about what we think, it's about what our
40:48
Speaker 6: communities think.
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Speaker 3: We've had this discussion with many, many people in my
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Speaker 3: elected and the Rule area and everywhere for that matter,
40:53
Speaker 3: and the vast majority of people say to me they
40:57
Speaker 3: want the right to choose.
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Speaker 6: It needs to be a thorough process. So in a
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Speaker 6: really good community consultation. I mean we've seen Labour often
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Speaker 6: rammed down policy down people's throats. This is too important.
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Speaker 6: It needs it needs proper scrutiny, committees, It needs a
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Speaker 6: very very wide and deep public consultation because Katie, you
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Speaker 6: are right, it is quite varied in terms of people's
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Speaker 6: views on this, and everybody needs to understand exactly how
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Speaker 6: it works in practice and what they could and couldn't do.
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Speaker 3: The medical fraternity they clearly have to have a major
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Speaker 3: involvement because oh, no doubt about someone's life to live well.
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Speaker 1: And I think that anybody who sat in the hospice
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Speaker 1: Impallative care with a loved one, understands that this is
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Speaker 1: not a decision that's made lightly. It is a decision
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Speaker 1: that would be an incredibly difficult and an incredibly personal one,
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Speaker 1: but it is, you know, that person's final choice.
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Speaker 4: It's very considered. People are very passionate about it. I
41:52
Speaker 4: think we often see people playing a bit of a
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Speaker 4: scare campaign. You don't just wake up one morning.
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Speaker 1: That's exactly right.
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Speaker 4: This is about terminally ill people. This is about actually,
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Speaker 4: as Keysy said and Mary clap it's like, this is
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Speaker 4: something that needs to be well thought out, well considered,
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Speaker 4: well communicated. People need time to process it, and we
42:13
Speaker 4: need to look at what that work looks like through
42:16
Speaker 4: and anything like that moving forward. Would be a joint
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Speaker 4: position of Parliament absolutely to exercise that through committee hearings,
42:24
Speaker 4: to make sure that people are involved because it is
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Speaker 4: extremely important.
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Speaker 1: It is.
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Speaker 3: It was last time, yeah, I mean my mother was
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Speaker 3: in Parliament at that stage and she she's told me
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Speaker 3: often about the debate and it went way way into
42:36
Speaker 3: the metals and the bill passed on a vote of
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Speaker 3: one man. Remember, yeah, was choosing to vote the other
42:41
Speaker 3: way and then changed his mind. It was the late
42:43
Speaker 3: Wes Lennapoi and voted to support the bill.
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Speaker 4: And it would also it's just takes into consideration where
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Speaker 4: in the territory it would be accessible. Given that the
42:53
Speaker 4: territory we're so big, where it takes you need to
42:57
Speaker 4: work were siderations, religious aspects, you know, these are all
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Speaker 4: really important things that need to be considered, but absolutely
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Speaker 4: priority one. Great to see that we are on a
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Speaker 4: journey of territory rights being restored and then the second
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Speaker 4: part is working through then once that passes, if it
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Speaker 4: does the road map to having that decision before the Parliament.
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Speaker 1: Well we've run out of time. What a surprise for
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Speaker 1: you mob. Lovely to have you all in the studio.
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Speaker 1: Murray Claire Boothby, thank you so much for your time today.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Katie.
43:36
Speaker 3: I just want to put a plug in the Humpy
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Speaker 3: Do Bowls Club every Friday night seven pm social bowls.
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Speaker 3: Everyone loves some good social bowls down at the Hump
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Speaker 3: to do as good fun you can. There's refreshments on
43:47
Speaker 3: hand as well, and that's why I enjoyed that. And
43:52
Speaker 3: of course you know the markets and there's horse events
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Speaker 3: on at Friends Past for those people that kind of stuff.
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Speaker 1: Chancey PI, thank you for your time this morning.
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Speaker 4: Well thanks Katie, and great to be chatting with everyone today.
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Speaker 4: I think just a few things before I finished. This
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Speaker 4: has been an amazing week in the art and creative space.
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Speaker 4: We've had the Darwin Aboriginal Art Awards, the Fashion Awards,
44:15
Speaker 4: Darwin Festival kicked off last night. Tonight, we've got the Nattiers,
44:19
Speaker 4: the National Aboriginal Trays, Ilder Art Award, tel Award and
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Speaker 4: of course Neimas on Saturday night, jam packed so much.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for everyone, I've already got tickets.
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Speaker 2: What are you going to say, Well, we're.
44:31
Speaker 1: Gonna have to ramp up. She's gonna have to tell
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Speaker 1: you this Afe, She's going to have to tell you all.
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Speaker 1: Thank you all so much this morning. You have been
44:39
Speaker 1: listening to the week that was right here on Mix
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