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Lunch with the Clydesdale - Rich Said What??? · Clydesdale Media Podcast

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what's going on everybody
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did so yeah yeah it's I'm
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so jazzed so jazzed I can't
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even get it out it's Friday
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lunchtime whoo what's going
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on everybody what is going
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on I am back with a new do
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finally first haircut in a
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while um we got a full
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house already Corey Megan Tristan
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ken joseph meredith mr sten
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in the house what is going
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on everybody let's do a
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quick dart throw oh that
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may have been my best
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effort in a while shanna in
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the house here we go here
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we go all right um
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Let's jump off quick.
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This happened this morning,
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as far as I know.
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That is that BKG made a post
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about the sale of CrossFit
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Reykjavik and his side of it.
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So...
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Here it is.
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Pretty nice post.
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Talks about myself and a
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group of my friends have
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purchased CrossFit
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Reykjavik and have
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officially taken over the reins.
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I've taken on the role of
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head coach and thus far I'm
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enjoying it immensely.
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It's not all new to me to coach.
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Throughout my CrossFit career,
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I've strived to coach a few
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hours a week when possible.
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It's always been important
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to me to be amongst the
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people in the gym and feel
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that I am able to give a
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little bit back to the
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community for all the
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opportunities I've been
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able to have throughout the sport.
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Isn't that a great thing to
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say about the community and
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their support and being an
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athlete and having that
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support and now trying to give back?
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I think those are the key
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components we need to kind
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of move forward.
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He also then goes on to say
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that he is far from retirement.
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He still wants to compete.
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I'm missing that part, but there it is.
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Okay, got to scroll.
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That's what you got to do on a Friday.
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Now that I'm fast becoming
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one of the senior citizens
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in the ranks of active elite competitors,
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I've been weighing up what
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to do once I hang up my shoes.
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Going deeper into coaching
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and operating a business
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with some of my best
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friends sounds like a
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perfect next step for me.
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But rest assured,
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I'm not even remotely
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considering retirement from
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competition yet.
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While I feel great and still
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love everything about the process,
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I will keep on competing
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and chasing my dreams on
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the competition floor
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alongside my new role.
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so super cool there um good
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to see him giving back to
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the community being a part
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of the community um really
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cool to uh you guys are too
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much man uh maybe kg will
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provide water now maybe
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Um, see me rolling.
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I know I hate you have an agenda,
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but can someone tell me why
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we can't say community anymore?
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And we're supposed to say culture.
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I missed the memo.
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I don't know.
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I must've missed it too.
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Um, I just, I still say community.
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Um,
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that's what it was when I started in
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and I'm old.
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So change is hard for me and
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I'll probably keep saying it for the next
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That's just how I know it.
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I'm sorry.
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So I must have missed it to see me.
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I'm sorry.
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Jake is in the house.
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I actually have you on my agenda.
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If you guys did not see the
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head-to-head yesterday with
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Kate Lawrence and Claire
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Bays on their show,
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that was some of the best
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internet TV I've watched in a while.
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What a competition right
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down to the very end,
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one rep difference between the two.
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Um,
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it was really fun to watch.
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If you get a good competition, um,
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with some fun people,
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it can be a fun thing.
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Uh, and so yesterday on, uh,
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outside the box show, uh,
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with Yon and Jake,
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that head to head was freaking awesome.
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Uh, one of the best thing I was,
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one of the best things I
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saw on the internet yesterday.
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So go check it out.
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Um,
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Okay.
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That was nasty.
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They both did great.
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They did.
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And that workout sucked for me.
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I'm a big guy.
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I was pretty much like Kate
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when I did it back in
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twenty with muscle snatches
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probably to start and then
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just died on the burpees.
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So.
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Yeah, great, great workout,
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great battle for them yesterday.
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That was freaking awesome.
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So the other thing is last
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night we had the NFL back.
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We did our fantasy draft
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here on Clydesdale Media on
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Wednesday night.
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I'm already out to a big
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lead against Joe Vela,
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and super excited to go
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into the weekend with that league.
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We have a twelve team league
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in the Clydesdale media universe.
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So it's going to be fun to
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keep up with that throughout the year.
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Super excited there.
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What else do we got?
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So much has been going on.
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Last night I went to Rudy Berger's house.
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Well, not his house, his barn.
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He has built a barn to be
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able to work out in because
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they're part of a community
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that has a very small gym.
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And that small gym,
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they didn't want to take up spots if...
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needed to get a workout in
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or whatever so they they
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went with some partners and
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bought a barn and built a
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little workout facility for
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them to be able to do some
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like some of their workouts
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in so they didn't have to
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worry about pushing people
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out of the affiliate and I
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went there last night and
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I'm just going to share a
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little bit with it it's
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going to be a full little
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video that'll come out
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probably in a few days um
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but here's a little snip of it
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And the play button is right
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behind what I know.
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What are your favorite parts of the barn?
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Yeah, so really my favorite parts are,
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actually I'll show you the
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best part here.
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If you walk over here and
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take a look up above,
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this steel I-beam that's
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installed there was part of
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a tractor engine hoist.
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that was originally in this
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barn and it was a really
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big contraption and we ripped it all out,
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but I wanted to kind of
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save a piece of it.
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And I was like, perfect.
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I'll mount it right at the
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feet height for rope climbs
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and bring muscle ups.
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And that'll be kind of like
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an old piece of the barn
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that we kind of look at.
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So it's kind of unique.
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It's like rusty and you know,
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cool looking.
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My favorite part is this post.
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that we get people to sign when they come.
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So you gotta sign it before.
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We make, we usually make people work out,
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but we'll, you know,
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you're technically working.
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So anybody that comes and
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visits gets to sign the
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post and it's just really cool.
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Some people are best to do,
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some people talk a little trash.
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But yeah.
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The triple.
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I can see that.
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Yeah.
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so that is um their barn if
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people don't know rudy is a
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three-time masters age
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group athlete champion um
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and podium in our fourth
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year so forty to forty four
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he has won it three
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different times and he took
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third in twenty twenty four
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so twenty twenty two twenty
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three and twenty five champion um
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Oh, I like the autograph post.
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Yeah, it's really cool.
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And his mentor and one of
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their friends is Scott Pancheck.
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So his his signatures on the post.
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Scott actually worked out in
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this barn right before the
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Masters games this year.
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They had some people come
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from out of town.
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They had someone come from
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Ireland and they all worked
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out in the barn before the
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age group CrossFit games.
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So it's a cool little thing.
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And they built like a little
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back hangout area with some seating,
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a barbecue pit, a place for a bonfire.
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So it can be like a total hangout.
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And Lana Marcin actually
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asked me to ask about master's camps.
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like training camps,
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and they're actually
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thinking about doing that,
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making it a place for
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masters athletes to come together,
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train together, do little training camps,
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and all that's in this
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little thing where we talked.
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And I pretty much just let the camera run.
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We talked for probably, I don't know,
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forty-five minutes or so,
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walking around where I recorded,
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and then I just got to cut
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it up so that it makes sense.
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Is Rudy in witness protection?
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Just kidding, Scott.
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Tell him to shoot video with
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the cameraman's back to the sun.
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So they don't have lights in
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the gym in the barn yet.
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They just got they just
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passed inspection maybe two days ago,
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three days ago, something like that.
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So we didn't have lights in the gym.
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Most of the video is shot on
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the back deck in the sunlight,
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and the lighting is much, much better.
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But for the beginning of it,
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just as they were kind of
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showing me around,
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it's a little bit dark.
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And that's on me, not on them.
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But I wanted to get at least
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some shots inside the barn.
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But most of this is done on
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the back patio with good lighting.
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And I'll just show you what
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most of it looks like here, Fergie.
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So you can see this is most of the video.
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So I did take that into account,
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but I didn't want to miss
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getting some shots inside
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the gym before we went out and talked.
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Um, so there, man,
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lots of buttons to push today.
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So I do want to talk and I,
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and I saw some stuff already in here.
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Um, I watched Mason Caitlin's, uh, or Kate,
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um,
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Mason Kate's show last night with John
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Wooley.
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I watched it in its entirety, um,
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during the rain delay of
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the football game.
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And, um,
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It, man, it was so frustrating to watch.
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It was so frustrating to watch because,
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and I need to pull out my
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phone because I took notes
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as I was waiting,
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and I wanted them to make
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sure I had everything.
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And I kind of said this in
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the chat on Savan.
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The pretense that they had
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was that because Will Morad
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was a nicer guy than Dave Castro,
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the WFP is better.
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And there's no logic to that.
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Nobody said that X company
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was better because their CEO was nicer.
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Like it's,
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are you doing the things it
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takes to be a better organization?
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And so when you're going in
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with that pretense,
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like everything else
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doesn't make a lot of sense
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then after that.
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And every question to John
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Wooley about it was very leading.
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They led with their opinion and,
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And then do they agree?
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Does he agree or disagree with them?
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And oftentimes he disagreed.
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I thought John Woolley
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handled the interview.
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They said it wasn't an interview.
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It was just a back and forth discussion.
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But Woolley handled it well.
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And he actually brought up
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some points that made a lot
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of sense to me.
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that haven't really been said out loud,
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and that is that really the
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WFP is a farm system for CrossFit.
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That is what it can be at
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its best right now is a farm system.
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Give opportunities to young
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athletes to see what they can do,
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give them competition experience,
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and prep them for the
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CrossFit game season later.
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That is what they can be at
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their best right now.
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Because the CrossFit Games
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have something that they don't,
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and that is a legacy.
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That all these kids growing
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up who want to be CrossFit
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Games athletes want to do
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it because Rich was awesome,
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because Matt was awesome,
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because Tia was awesome.
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And they want to be like that.
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They want to beat their records.
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They want to have that legacy.
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Champions want to go where champions are.
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And the WFP cannot, you cannot buy that.
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The other pretense that
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really fires me up is that
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they believe that they're
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doing well for only being
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three to six months in, whatever it is.
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You had fifteen years of
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watching somebody else do it first.
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You are not at ground zero.
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You watch these other people.
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All of your...
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C-suite people were in
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CrossFit and experienced it.
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They've lived it.
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They've watched it and they've seen it.
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And they told us because of that,
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they were going to be
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better and they were going
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to come out and be better.
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And that has not happened.
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You can't now backtrack that, hey,
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we're just getting started.
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You're the one that came out
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boasting that you were
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going to be better.
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It is utterly ridiculous,
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some of the pretenses they
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have in these conversations.
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And the biggest thing is
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they came out and said
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these things and didn't
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follow through with promises.
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And so now you've lost trust.
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We're not competing with CrossFit.
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Oh,
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we're going to have an affiliate system.
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That was the biggest...
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dagger in the heart of the
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WFP by them trying to copy
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the affiliate system of CrossFit.
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It's one thing if you come
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to compete with the sports side of it.
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I don't think people are as
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ingrained into the sports
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side as we think they are,
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but they are so ingrained
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into the methodology and
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the affiliate system.
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that is where you made the
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biggest mistake.
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And by jumping in and saying
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that you were going to be, um,
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not competing and then find out that, Hey,
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we're trying to sign up
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these affiliates and pull
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people away from CrossFit.
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That's where you lost it.
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Okay.
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Eric Mackey,
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any bait and switch is concerning,
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but multiple times bad.
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And they did it over and
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over and over again.
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So Will can be as nice as he wants.
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If he's being nice with lies,
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you're just digging
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yourself a deeper hole.
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Fergie, Wooly is a failed podcaster.
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He can call it whatever he wants,
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but it will cease before
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the end of the year.
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I thought he was dead on accurate.
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And whatever you want to say he is,
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I felt like at its best,
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it's a farm league right now.
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At its best.
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And I'm not saying they're
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going to be at their best.
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I think there's a lot of
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evidence that they haven't
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been at their best.
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But he is dead on that that
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is what they are right now at their best.
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And you could see Mesa like deflate.
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And you could see almost a
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light bulb go on with Kate.
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And that created some really
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interesting tension at the
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end of this video that they put out.
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A used car smells good for a
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couple months when you first buy it,
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just like WFP.
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I'm not sure they ever smelled good.
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The execution errors are a lot.
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And trust me,
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CrossFit has done them as well.
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But you as did the WFP have
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had the benefit of watching
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CrossFit make the mistakes first.
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So you shouldn't have made
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the same mistakes.
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You shouldn't have gone down
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the same road.
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It's ridiculous.
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It's ridiculous.
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So Vindicate says WFP can
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appear to be better by
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paying athletes large sums
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and giving volunteers free stuff.
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That will only last so long
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if you aren't making a profit.
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Once that ends, everybody will be upset.
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Well,
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I also think it's setting an
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unreasonable expectation
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that you can keep this going.
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Now, whether they make a profit or not,
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I don't think they care right now.
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I think they're just
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throwing good money over
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bad to try to beat CrossFit.
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But like I said, you can't buy legacy.
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You can't buy the rich
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history of an eight-time female champion.
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You can't buy Matt Frazier
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being the most dominant CrossFitter ever.
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You can't buy...
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the goat Rich Froning and
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what he's done for a
19:23
community and for the sport.
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You can't buy that stuff.
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So it doesn't matter how
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much money you throw at that.
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CrossFit will always have that upper hand.
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And new athletes will always
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want to compete in the same
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venues that those legends
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have already done so.
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A farm league is to develop
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players for big leagues.
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WFP is where most athletes
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who can't win the games
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anymore go to have fun.
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Or it's for like the up and
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coming semifinal athletes.
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Since we've really wrecked
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the semifinal season, the regional season,
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there's no place for those
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younger athletes to get reps in.
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I think that's where it kind
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of becomes something different.
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um if it can and like I said
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that's only at its best
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it's only at its best wfp
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needs at least two seasons
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before fair evaluation
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And this is another thing.
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Everybody's like, everybody's so critical.
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Everybody's so critical.
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You're a new league.
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You want people talking about you.
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Now,
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do you want it to be for better things?
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Sure.
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But people are talking about you.
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You're getting media
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attention that most startups don't get.
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It's up to you to take advantage of that.
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It's up to you to change minds.
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And
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one from a storytelling
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point of view I don't think
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they've done that um and
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they've had other
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opportunities and the mist
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and missed out on tour stop
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two should have been better
21:23
than tour stop one and I'm
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not sure that it totally
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was from it a viewing um is
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from a viewing experience
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or from a mistake experience
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I also wanted to show this here.
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I've been barking up this
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tree that the storyline is
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Who is above the line and
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who's below the line for the pro cards?
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Finally, someone did it,
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and it was morning chalk up.
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It wasn't even the WFP.
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It was morning chalk up,
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and they list them out,
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like James Sprague and Amy
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Kringle are winning their divisions.
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Several veteran pro card athletes,
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including Jeff Adler, Travis Mayer,
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Yonikoski, Emily Rolfe, Paige Semenza,
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are below the red line.
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Finally, someone said it.
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other than me.
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What I love is that the
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minute you're critical about them,
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they are just on the
22:34
full-on attack that you
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shouldn't be critical.
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I've been critical about two
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areas with them,
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and I've been constructive
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in my criticism.
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And instead of listening,
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they just want to yell and scream back.
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attendance seemed lower,
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vendor village smaller,
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participation lower.
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How is tour stop two an improvement?
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I don't think it was.
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And that's a big miss on their part.
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They get way more attention than grid.
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They do,
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but they're not taking advantage
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of it in a positive way.
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The main issue or
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misunderstanding is that
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CrossFit is not a league.
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It's a one single event that
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has qualification system in
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place to get the best.
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Anyone is welcome.
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That's the difference.
23:39
It's okay to have different
23:40
formats in a season.
23:42
And I think it would have
23:43
been okay if they would
23:44
have just came in and
23:44
competed as a sport entity
23:46
to try something different.
23:48
Where they pissed everybody
23:50
off is when they went after
23:51
the affiliates.
23:54
That's where... Before that,
23:57
I wanted to see,
23:58
could a different season structure work?
24:02
And they keep blowing every opportunity.
24:09
And then when they went
24:10
after the affiliates,
24:11
then everybody was pissed.
24:21
So...
24:27
Ken says,
24:28
no one wanted to give WFP a shot
24:30
more than Scott on day one.
24:33
I'm sure other people wanted
24:34
to give it more of a shot than me.
24:37
But, you know,
24:39
the critics of me when I'm
24:41
critical of the WFP say
24:43
that I've given up before
24:43
the season is over.
24:45
Well,
24:46
I don't need to be punched in the face.
24:49
Sixteen times to know not to
24:51
get punched in the face.
24:52
Seventeen, eighteen and nineteen.
24:59
Grin understands and accepts
25:00
what they are.
25:01
WFP is trying to be like CrossFit.
25:04
WFP is trying to beat CrossFit.
25:07
And the problem is they
25:08
didn't just come out and say that.
25:09
If they would have come out and said that,
25:10
maybe more people would
25:11
have respect for it.
25:13
But no, they hid behind things.
25:15
And there it is.
25:19
But I didn't want to devote
25:20
this whole show to WFP.
25:23
I just wanted to talk about
25:25
what their show was like.
25:29
And when they say things like,
25:31
maybe we don't want to hear
25:34
the criticism and we want
25:35
to do it the way we want to do it.
25:36
Well, that's all fine and good.
25:38
But if nobody's watching now
25:39
because you're doing it
25:40
your way and not what the
25:42
spectator wants to see, good luck.
25:47
Good luck at all.
25:52
Anyway,
25:52
I want to get on to something else.
25:56
because Rich Froning was on
25:57
coffee pods and wads
25:58
yesterday and Peter did an
26:00
excellent job in that interview.
26:03
Um, a couple points that came out of that,
26:06
that I were almost,
26:09
I knew that rich was kind of in a,
26:12
I'm ready to kind of talk
26:15
mode when he was on Savan a
26:16
couple of weeks ago.
26:17
And then with Peter,
26:19
he just went the whole way.
26:21
So Peter asked him about his
26:22
relationship with Facundo and,
26:25
He did say that Facundo is
26:26
still on the payroll at mayhem,
26:28
but they have not talking.
26:30
They have not talked other
26:31
than a few run-ins at the
26:33
games and he called them run-ins,
26:35
not like, I don't know.
26:39
And they haven't texted in
26:41
months ever since the Malik situation.
26:46
So I found that very, very peculiar and,
26:50
Peter then posed a question to him.
26:53
If someone bought CrossFit
26:56
and they put people like
26:57
Dave in place and Dave said, hey,
26:59
let's get together and talk.
27:02
Would you be supportive of that?
27:04
And Rich said, no,
27:06
it's more cut and dry than that.
27:07
I would think,
27:08
where were you eight years ago,
27:10
fifteen years ago to have
27:13
these discussions?
27:17
Which I found was very interesting.
27:18
And he said, well,
27:19
then who would you trust in
27:22
those positions?
27:23
And he said, someone from here.
27:29
All of that was...
27:32
It was that last piece of
27:33
the puzzle that we got the
27:34
beginning of with Siobhan
27:36
and Peter pounded it home
27:38
and got us the answers that
27:41
I think we were all looking for,
27:43
but almost now scared to
27:45
know that that is where he is at.
27:49
It appears that Rich's trust
27:52
in the people either
27:55
currently in position or
27:58
trying to buy CrossFit are
28:01
not the people that he trusts anymore.
28:04
He is done trusting them,
28:06
and he will only trust the
28:07
people in his inner circle.
28:10
And he wants a position at the table.
28:12
He just doesn't want to be the CEO.
28:14
He doesn't want the everyday job.
28:16
He just wants someone to
28:18
allow him a seat at the
28:19
table to say how he feels.
28:23
And I thought that that was...
28:27
pretty telling interview that Peter got.
28:30
And if you have not seen that,
28:32
you need to go check that out.
28:37
Probably the last twenty
28:39
minutes of that podcast are
28:41
freaking phenomenal.
28:49
Do you think Rich is using
28:50
his situation to break away from HQ?
28:52
I think that Rich is making
28:55
a power play to say,
28:57
If you want your CrossFit,
29:00
your future CrossFit to be successful,
29:02
I better be involved.
29:06
And we better have people in
29:07
place that I trust.
29:12
Yes, Jenny hit it right there.
29:14
Felt like an ultimatum.
29:17
If you are going to buy
29:18
CrossFit and you want it to be successful,
29:20
you better have me involved.
29:30
uh david reed rich is not
29:32
wrong though jody drama I
29:36
am here for it yeah peter
29:43
has been killing it lately
29:45
his jason ainsley interview
29:47
and his rich interview must
29:49
must see television this week
29:56
Jeff Paco,
29:56
if you're looking to buy CrossFit,
29:57
this is a big deterrent.
29:59
I think it is.
30:01
I think it's either you get
30:03
on board with Rich in some
30:04
way or he is going to flex
30:07
his power and make it a
30:09
difficult proposition to
30:10
make it successful once you're here.
30:14
The only caveat that was
30:15
kind of like a bit of
30:17
leniency on the ultimatum
30:19
was that we would stay
30:21
affiliated if our athletes
30:23
needed it in order to
30:25
qualify for the CrossFit
30:26
Games or to qualify for
30:28
their season or whatever that might be.
30:32
That was the only caveat of like...
30:38
But he said, if we did that,
30:40
you would not see the
30:41
CrossFit name on the door
30:43
or on the signs.
30:52
Aren't Dave and Rich working
30:53
on a service cup together?
30:55
I think they can work on an
30:56
event together.
30:57
And maybe, I don't even know if,
30:59
my guess is if CrossFit's
31:00
doing it any way that
31:02
they've been doing lately,
31:03
they just handed it over to
31:04
Mayhem to run.
31:12
Oh, damn, that's interesting.
31:13
I still don't think Mayhem
31:15
Fitness can replace CrossFit.
31:17
I still think they need
31:18
power of the word CrossFit,
31:20
just in my opinion.
31:23
It all depends on who the
31:23
buyer is and what their plan is.
31:25
I mean,
31:27
I think that he may not be able to
31:32
replace CrossFit,
31:33
but he can be a hell of a disruptor.
31:52
How many affiliates does Mayhem have?
31:56
So from what I understand,
31:57
and this is really just preliminary,
32:03
is that they have about a
32:04
thousand official Mayhem affiliates,
32:07
but four thousand
32:08
affiliates that do their programming.
32:13
So they have some influence
32:14
at different levels
32:16
depending on what level
32:18
that affiliate has signed up with.
32:25
Sabrina,
32:25
I haven't watched Rory and Angelo
32:27
on the CrossFit podcast.
32:28
Have you?
32:29
I have not.
32:30
I have a hard time with the
32:31
CrossFit podcast.
32:33
It's edited.
32:34
It seems sterile.
32:36
Um,
32:37
the ones that I've enjoyed are when
32:39
like Hobart goes live.
32:42
Um, but the ones that are produced,
32:43
I'm really having a hard
32:44
time getting through.
32:46
I just feel like it's,
32:49
it's been edited or cleaned
32:50
up or something.
32:52
And, and once that happens,
32:54
I'm not sure that I
32:55
completely trust the conversation.
33:07
My question from it then is
33:09
what does he really want?
33:10
Who in their staff does he want to be CEO?
33:15
I'm betting that he is.
33:17
And Peter tried to go there.
33:20
That a lot of people have
33:21
signed NDAs and there's
33:22
been a lot of conversations
33:24
in the background.
33:24
And Peter said,
33:25
have people come to you and talked?
33:27
And Rich said, yes,
33:28
there have been conversations.
33:30
So my thing is he's talking
33:33
to these people.
33:34
They are going to be talking
33:35
to him before they make the purchase.
33:48
which in case the,
33:48
none of it matters because
33:49
they are still affiliated.
33:52
They are still affiliated, but yeah,
33:56
I mean,
33:57
it's still going to be a disruptor and it,
34:03
it,
34:05
do you want rich talking about how
34:06
great CrossFit is,
34:09
or do you want him talking
34:10
about how great mayhem is?
34:13
Um, I think you want probably the former,
34:25
Um, no offense to Richard mayhem,
34:32
but I just left the gym
34:34
after a year that I loved because of the,
34:36
the mayhem affiliate program is,
34:39
is extremely basic, redundant, and lazy.
34:42
Uh,
34:42
it felt like at four or OTC orange
34:46
theory.
34:47
Um, I don't know.
34:52
What is the TLDR of the car?
34:56
I'm sorry, Barry.
34:56
I don't know what TLDR is.
35:00
I'm old.
35:00
I'm not good at acronyms anymore.
35:17
I think about the affiliates,
35:20
vindicates dead on.
35:21
Only Mayhem knows how many
35:22
affiliates they have,
35:23
and the numbers are probably inflated.
35:39
Ernie Garza says the
35:40
programming has gradually gotten better.
35:44
One hundred percent about
35:45
the CrossFit podcast.
35:48
Same Scott, yeah.
35:49
Sorry, I'm way behind on comments.
35:51
You guys are just blowing it up.
36:05
David Reed,
36:06
if I was looking at the business,
36:07
I'd be talking to Rich for sure.
36:09
I think you have to at this point.
36:11
I think he's flexing the
36:12
muscles that he has to make
36:15
it known that he has some influence.
36:24
If it sells to Malik,
36:24
they will have more than CrossFit.
36:26
Yeah.
36:27
His philosophies now, like if I don't,
36:29
I think that would be one
36:30
of the worst decisions to
36:33
sell to Malik at this point.
36:56
Mayhem won't make or break CrossFit.
36:58
Poor management and
36:58
ownership by CrossFit will end CrossFit.
37:03
Well,
37:03
I think that's what Rich is implying.
37:05
That he's only going to pull
37:07
this string if he feels the
37:10
latter part of your statement.
37:30
uh jenny give him the
37:32
advisory role he wants but
37:33
he doesn't want a dave ceo
37:35
it has to be someone at
37:36
mayhem so then who I need
37:40
that follow-up question
37:41
asked yeah I think I think
37:44
that peter tried but that
37:47
was a that was a piece of
37:48
the story that he didn't uh
37:51
want to give up
38:01
Who at Mayhem is qualified
38:02
for the CEO position?
38:06
I don't know their inner workings.
38:10
So I don't really know.
38:14
I have no idea.
38:16
And I don't know who Rich is
38:17
connected to that maybe
38:18
isn't directly at Mayhem.
38:20
But he did say here.
38:22
So I don't know.
38:23
That'd be weird.
38:23
I don't know.
38:37
Yep.
38:37
Rich said mayhem, not a chaff.
38:39
He isn't mayhem from what I
38:40
know he is not.
38:43
And Chaffee was part of
38:45
those Malik discussions.
38:46
And so I don't know what blew all that up.
38:50
We don't know.
38:50
We just know that Rich did a
38:53
full one-eighty from supporting Malik,
38:56
Chaffee, Facundo,
38:58
and now that's flipped a
38:59
hundred and eighty and he's
39:01
walking it back and he's
39:03
not talking to Facundo.
39:04
He says that Malik's a nice guy,
39:06
but not the right person for the job.
39:08
And I'm assuming that that
39:09
will include Chaffee in
39:10
that group because he was
39:12
part of that group initially.
39:17
I don't think, I know you're asking Jenny,
39:19
but I don't think Austin is CEO material.
39:26
I think what Austin has done has been,
39:29
he's been an awesome programmer.
39:31
He's helped run an affiliate for Reebok,
39:34
and he ran the affiliates for, what,
39:39
a couple years at CrossFit.
39:51
Wayne Short,
39:52
people forget that the
39:53
methodology will live on
39:55
with or without the success of CrossFit.
39:57
I think Rich said that as
39:58
much yesterday on that interview.
40:02
That he believes that we're
40:03
all doing the methodology
40:05
and that methodology is
40:06
going to continue forward
40:08
regardless of who's in charge of an HQ.
40:32
I've told my clients to get
40:33
ready to leave my services
40:34
soon as CrossFit is being sold,
40:36
and I can't possibly coach
40:38
them if it's not the right
40:39
owner in charge.
40:45
Facundo doesn't want to be CEO,
40:47
or so I've heard.
40:59
David Johnson,
41:00
I think that whoever ends up
41:01
running CrossFit has the
41:03
opportunity to right the
41:04
ship and make all this null and void.
41:06
It sounds like Rich is
41:07
posturing in case the new
41:08
owner runs it further into the ground.
41:13
I think he's taken it a step
41:14
further this time.
41:16
I think he's been patient
41:17
and he just doesn't want,
41:20
he's just not willing to be
41:21
patient anymore.
41:49
uh mayhem he did mention
41:50
austin has been in almost
41:52
every role within crossfit
41:55
I know that austin's been
41:56
in a lot of roles I just
41:57
don't think he's been like
41:59
upper upper and but maybe
42:02
that's okay maybe that's
42:03
something different it's
42:04
less I don't know
42:17
barry says that austin has
42:18
worked for h at hq for
42:20
fifteen years that's a
42:21
little bit misleading
42:22
because a lot of that time
42:23
was on seminar staff um
42:26
austin ran his own reebok
42:28
one affiliate in I want to
42:31
say boston him and spencer
42:33
and then they had the ham
42:34
programming with him
42:36
spencer and hobart um
42:41
And then that got purchased
42:43
as CrossFit affiliate programming.
42:46
And they came on to do the
42:47
programming for that.
42:49
Then he went into an
42:50
affiliate advisory role
42:53
under Jay Dacoons.
42:55
So even when he was in that role,
42:57
he was under Jay Dacoons
42:59
for that time period.
43:02
And we actually had Austin on our show,
43:04
gosh, maybe a year ago.
43:06
And he explains all of that in that show.
43:22
We need another podcast with
43:23
Rich for Jenny's follow-ups.
43:26
We do.
43:36
And Jake says that Daniel
43:37
Chaffee is a decent karaoke singer.
43:39
That's good to know.
43:42
One of the criteria to be
43:45
the CEO to run CrossFit.
43:53
Isn't the CEO just the face
43:54
the board makes the real decisions?
43:56
It all depends on the structure.
43:58
Sometimes the CEO is a
44:00
tiebreaker in board votes,
44:04
which could give them a
44:05
little bit more power,
44:06
but it's all how you
44:07
structure your board and
44:10
how much power you give the CEO.
44:25
Now Jeff Beko is getting crazy.
44:27
Uh, Joe,
44:28
John Wooley has a business
44:29
background in a long time
44:30
affiliate owner.
44:30
Maybe he's a good candidate for CEO, um,
44:34
business background.
44:36
He's a banker.
44:38
It's,
44:38
it's a different business than like
44:39
most businesses like this.
44:52
Um,
44:54
So anyway, I found that fascinating.
45:00
I found that fascinating.
45:01
And if you have not seen that interview,
45:03
you need to go check it out for sure.
45:15
So there.
45:18
In a few months,
45:19
they can probably just have
45:20
ChapGPT as the CEO.
45:23
It's my fear that we may
45:25
already be heading down that road, David.
45:29
I can't believe like where I work,
45:31
how much they use chat GPT.
45:33
We're not allowed to use chat GPT.
45:35
We have to use other AI functions,
45:36
but like they're promoting
45:38
using AI where I work now.
45:41
I hate it.
45:43
It is so bad at writing what
45:45
we have to write.
45:49
So bad.
45:54
So anyway, with that, man,
45:59
this forty five minutes has
46:01
flown freaking by.
46:04
You guys are awesome.
46:06
There's some things going on today.
46:07
I know Suze is on the glint
46:08
and things later today.
46:10
I get what the programming
46:11
is going to do an
46:12
evaluation of the age group
46:14
programming later today.
46:18
And then I think this weekend.
46:22
Mesa and Kate are going to
46:24
be on with the Clinton that's tomorrow.
46:27
So lots still going on.
46:29
NFL season keeps going tonight.
46:32
We have the chiefs and the
46:33
chargers in Brazil tonight,
46:35
and then a full slate of games on Sunday.
46:39
Um, but yeah,
46:41
I'm heading to Montana in a week.
46:43
So I got to take my dog to
46:44
my mom's house for sitting purposes, uh,
46:47
this weekend.
46:48
So I'm going to make a quick
46:49
trip to PA drop Walter off
46:51
there and then head back for next week.
46:55
And then we are flying to
46:56
see my daughter out in Montana,
46:59
but we're going to keep the show going.
47:01
So it's going to be fun.
47:06
Corey says, CEO needs to be a CrossFitter,
47:07
someone who has bathed in
47:09
the blood of Daily WOD,
47:10
someone who has had or
47:12
currently has Fran Lung.
47:15
I couldn't have said it better myself.
47:23
Joseph Ramirez, if it's artificial,
47:25
it isn't intelligent.
47:26
If it's intelligent, it isn't artificial.
47:29
Amen, brother.
47:32
Walter for CEO.
47:35
He's a son of a bitch, man.
47:37
I'm telling you.
47:38
I don't think you'd want him.
47:40
If you think Dave Castro is a prick,
47:43
Walter is way worse than that.
47:49
Just for Ramirez,
47:50
Mesa isn't going to survive
47:51
the comment section with the glintons.
47:53
She is.
47:55
I mean, she's strong in her beliefs,
47:57
and she doesn't let anybody
47:59
change her mind.
48:01
And she just keeps barreling forward.
48:04
She's going to survive the comments.
48:06
It's going to be us that are
48:07
going to be pulling our hair out.
48:09
I'm betting you.
48:12
With that, guys,
48:13
I hope you have a great
48:14
rest of your day and into the weekend.
48:17
Enjoy the rest of the stuff out there.
48:19
Get with the programming.
48:20
Glintons.
48:21
Tons of stuff going on.
48:22
With that,
48:24
I got to go get my eyes checked.
48:27
And then I'm heading to Pennsylvania.
48:29
With that,
48:30
you guys have a great weekend or
48:31
get back to work,
48:32
whatever it is you need to do.
48:34
See you guys next or on
48:36
Sunday night for Sunday
48:37
Night CrossFit Talk.
48:40
Bye, guys.