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"Un 1% más de combustibles renovables equivale a 400.000 coches eléctricos más" · Movilidad Renovable

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And Business transforms Reality World, Lars Professional Services Lo brintr Cablen Business, Brle
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Helln Bullir Star and neither Priens de deriens wickinde Geder Renewable Mobility. The platform
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program for renewable fuels very good afternoon. Each 1% increase in the use
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of renewable fuels represents a 15% improvement in the reduction of missions. This
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is one of the conclusions of our topic of this programme, a study carried
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out by MTETE Data which also reflects that they allow a significant reduction in the
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costs associated with that energy transition. And although technology in favour of another is
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not penalized here, renewable fuels, combined with electrification, can ultimately enable us
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to achieve the goals and even become more ambitious. In addition, it is
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sometimes necessary to do something about a country, and Spain should take advantage of
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the fact that it is the third most potential member in Europe to produce these
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advanced renewable fuels, which could generate almost 11 million tonnes of oil equivalent.
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As always a program in which we will analyze all this thanks to the platform
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for renewable fuels and renewable immobility. The latest news highlights the importance of this
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situation. The Valencia Institute of Competitiveness and Innovation, which is an entity of
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industry and commercialism, has funded a new project to recover the cell of different
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objects of wastewater and urban waste. Like toilet paper. The cloths even to
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produce renewable biofuels. Also the plant material resulting from the pruning of parks and
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gardens will also be another important raw material, and China, the world'
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s first producer of used cooking oil, will be left without it, as
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demand from Europe and the United States exceeds supply. According to a vironment transport
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study, China already exports more than half of its oil used for use in
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cars and trucks in Europe and the United States. And that' s before
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airlines triple on demand for used cooking oil from here to two thousand thirty.
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To meet these sustainable aviation objectives. And the last point of the weighty group
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that is dedicated to the distribution and marketing of petroleum products. He has done
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a study or has produced a study along with metercopy, according to which in
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sixty- four percent of the respondents rely on renewable fuels as a viable alternative
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to traditional fuels, and in addition, he says that almost seventy percent of
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Spaniards believe that fossils will remain essential in the next of each but that at
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the same time they seek a balance between sustainability and economic realism. They recognize
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the need to move towards cleaner energies, but they want a gradual transition to
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avoid negative economic impacts and ensure that these technologies are accessible. Sixty- three
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percent of respondents say that Spain is not prepared to adopt massive alternatives such as
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electric vehicles, especially due to the lack of infrastructure. The renewable mobility meeting
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begins and, as we were going forward to talk about this report, we
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discuss it with David Cuesta, who is the business consulting director of this company.
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How about, David, very good afternoon, Hello, good afternoon and
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as always ginés cardinal spokesman of the platform for renewable fuels that commissioned this study
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Ntdata, that left us very interesting conclusions, Hello good afternoon. Well,
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yeah, now you' re gonna explain it a lot better, David.
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But the truth it throws, because some of the things that, as a
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platform, we have been defending for years, since Avid, what he has
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done with his team in nt Te Data is, therefore, to put numbers
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do calculations, make scenarios and, well, very interesting conclusions. Indeed,
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to see David with what you stay with, with what main conclusions I believe
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that at first, it can even be summarized in five. Well, first
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and foremost so we can all enjoy the back engines. There' s no
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need to change vehicles. They are perfectly compatible with the current fleet of vehicles
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with a combustion engine. There is no need to change the refueling infrastructure.
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No need to install new charging points. Therefore, its main and I believe
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that the main conclusion is that the rnal mousters can have an impact on the
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reduction of missions from either point of view, contributing to decarbonization, which is
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in the end the ultimate objective that totally, totally and also, well,
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can have a series of very positive impacts at a level beyond the environmental environment,
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at an economic level, especially if we bring the value chains to Spain,
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that is, if we are able to produce, to put in value
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all the residues, all the crops, that could be used in a sustainable
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way in Spain. Even looking further into the future, everything that is hydrogen
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and derivatives to produce synthetic fuels could also be a future source of wealth.
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Yes, because I think this thing that you say sometimes is very important level,
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because it has already been on other programs. No. In the end,
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the goal is not to electrify, which is one of the great ideas
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that have been installed not in the collective imaginary. No. The objective is
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to decarbonize this nutricity of missions to two thousand fifty and, as David said,
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we can decarbonize transport with renewable fuels in the current park. No,
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and that' s a very clear advantage. And how you get that reduction
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to 100% with fossils. Well, I think it' s a matter
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of biology and pure chemistry. What we really do is the production of these
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fuels. What it does is close the carbon cycle. Ceo two, for
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example, is already in the atmosphere, it is already absorbed, because normally
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by plants that fix it in structure, they create brio biomass and that biomass
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is transformed into a fuel, as I said before, totally compatible with those
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with the current engines, because it is an analogue to hydrocarbons. This fuel,
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because it burns in the engine of a car and that' s two
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returns to the atmosphere, with which we are closing, closing the cycle.
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Similarly, if it were a fuel, a synthetic fuel, in this case,
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we would physically capture s or two we would react with hydrogen and we
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would have a hydrocarbon analogous to ten and make it that right now we can
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refuel at any filling station and obviously, by burning it, also that c
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two returns to the atmosphere, with which we are closing the cycle and the
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and the emissions of desires have more constants in the atmosphere. And yet another
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conclusion is in the end that within that circular economy we also use waste as
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raw materials to produce them exactly that biomass that can then be a residue,
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since a residue of agricultural activity, of the food industry, of forestry activity,
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that is available, that is available, that what this would do to
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produce this type of fuel. It is simply mobile to mobilize it, capture
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it, transform it into that in that i drocarbon and, as I said,
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close the carbon title. Another point, another of the conclusions that are
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pointed out at the end is and returning to the economic issue, which generates
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more activity, because in the end you have production plants, you have an
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activity that affects the rest of the country. That' s good. We
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must not lose sight of that good, because in the refining industry it is
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in the process of transformation. We have and currently employ 200 zero people,
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in addition to the biorefin industry itself. Therefore, it already exists, industrial
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capacity already exists, and at the level of knowledge and human capital. But
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it can be further enhanced. Why, because we have to mobilize and we
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have to mobilize that raw material where we will find it, because in the
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sectors that I mentioned earlier, the agricultural sector, in the food sector,
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in the forest sector, in the waste management itself, all these sectors can
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be mobilized and we will generate wealth by betting on the value of these waste.
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This economy is circulating and we were saying that, combined with industrial capacity,
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it will allow this country not only to maintain that contribution to the size
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of all these sectors, but also to increase. Yeah, not for pointing
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at this thing David was saying. This has another added advantage which is fundamental
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that we are often forgotten using indigenous waste. What we are also doing is
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to increase energy independence, which has been one of the major problems we have
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encountered following the invasion of Ukraine by Russia, which Europe had abandoned security of
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supply in the debate. And with this waste we can increase our energy independence
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and, therefore, also a very important benefit from renewable fuels, because,
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besides, and speaking to David earlier, I was told to have seen the
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same thing in other countries, in Spanish. They are fuels that already exist
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that we remember that they go in different percentages mixed with those with fossils,
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so it is not anything unusual, no, not at all. Right now
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we' re talking about refuelling to a filling station in Spain and on average
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we have ten percent of ten percent of renewable fuels and we' ve been
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using them and we' ve been using them for a long time and we
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haven' t noticed it, maybe, but it' s true they'
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re there and keep increasing that percentage of noble combustibles isn' t going to
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mean any change in how we use our vehicles, how we refuel them,
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which is perfectly compatible with our current consumption model and forgiveness. Miguel and we
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have already seen in previous programs how there are projects of transport, freight and
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passenger transport companies that are using already 100 percent renewable fuels that are also being
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marketed at some filling stations, even for the general public. If they told
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us, he didn' t send me the figure because I don' t
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remember the hundreds of thousands of liters that already spend a year on renewable fuels.
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And then I wonder, David, why, what challenges, what challenges,
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why it doesn' t generalize anymore. Well, there may be.
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We can analyze different facets. The first thing we have to do is dispose
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of that raw material. It' s there, you don' t have
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to make it up. He' s there. What we have to bring
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is to the transformation points, to those new plants that are going to produce
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these renewable combusteries and then it is precisely, then, to develop that capacity
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of industrial, to mobilize that investment and, above all, also at the
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level of and more than on some production routes. We still have to take
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a walk, but come on, it' s not like they' re
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in a state of immaturity that' s worrying at all. I believe that
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we have the capacity to increase the quota, in the quota of renewable custurias
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in the short term, without any problems, neither raw material nor technology later,
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of course all that must be developed further and we could be a complement,
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a synergy with the process of acrification of transport, because of course that
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is a challenge that I would perhaps also include the own knowledge on the part
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of the fleets, because they can know it because they either have their managers
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or have their structures. But normal user autonomous SMEs. I think they still
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lack a little pedagogy. It is totally one of the barriers, in a
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certain way, above all so that society can see that the problem of mission
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reduction cannot come from a single communication. There were usually things don' t
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work that way big problems have to attack you from different angles. Alctification is
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one of them, of course. Other hydrogen- type fuels are another and
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renewable fuels are another. Therefore, in the future in which we achieve our
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goals of disclaimer, it will come for the potency of those three lives.
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Yes, because it has already appeared in many programs also that from the platform
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we are a platform against the electric vehicle. And this report by NTT DATA
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is not a report against the electric vehicle because, as David has said several
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times, there is always a proposal for a discharge of the transport that uses
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in a complementary way all the alternatives available to us, in each case the
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one that is most efficient that reduces emissions before. Now you can talk to
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us, David, about alternative scenarios that you have done in the report to
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see how you can maximize that reduction of missions, let' s not forget
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that it is the ultimate end. No yes, because of allusions those scenarios.
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Of course, because what we did was modelling would be the increase of
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the trification in the transport, because the scenarios provided by the national plan of
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integrated Energy and Climate ARPENIEC the draft that contemplates, since in two thousand thirty
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there should be five million electric vehicles on the roads. And what we did
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was, well, to develop an alternative scenario in which, then, that
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amount, well, you don' t get to that figure, because I
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always think you have to have a plan B, a plan C. But
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we still had three million vehicles, which is a very, very, very
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ambitious figure. And we see that if we increase in this alternative scenario,
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the content simply increase the minimum content of renewable fuels in liquid fuels, the
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potential for discharge exceeded the targets set in the rock that at the level of
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reduction of tons, of millions of tons. I said that we are talking
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about that synergistic action that I commented on as combining different routes, different alternatives,
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we can reach the objectives faster and, above all, overcome them,
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because I always like to say that this objective of being this net omissions in
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two thousand fifty, is a milestone. It' s a still picture of
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two thousand and fifty. However, if we want to mitigate the consequences of
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climate change, it is all the more important that we act quickly. Of
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course, climate change comes from the fact that the concentration from two in an
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atmosphere exceeds a certain limit and that depends on the tons that are emitted if
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you are able to limit already the emissions that lead to the atmosphere. We
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are effectively fighting climate change perhaps by two thousand and fifty, for already by
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two thousand If in two thousand and forty we have not achieved even earlier,
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depending on who you consider, we have not achieved a sufficient reduction of emissions,
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we will have failed our goal of limiting the consequences of climate change.
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Of course because we remember that this unique bet from Europe and Spain is made
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for electrification. What we are seeing is that it is delaying this gradual reduction
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of which David speaks, which is so important, because if we do not
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reach the target by two thousand fifty, the consumer, in the end does
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not know which car to buy. They' re telling you that they'
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re going to ban tori of combustidia in two thousand thirty- five, that
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then all we' re doing is aging the car park that every time in
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Spain already exceeds fourteen years. Last year, the oldest car in Spain was
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that of more than fifteen years. And instead of boosting this alternative which,
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as David says, could reduce the desired emissions more quickly. Because, in
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addition to all the good points, we will now talk about the measures that
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are allowed to be used with the opportunity of renewables in tax matters, etc.
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But another of the points that you highlight is the capacity of Spain to
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produce for also I say in that sense, that legislative or governing or,
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whatever, that can generate more employment, because we can place ourselves in the
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top of countries. Indeed, Spain is the third country in Europe with the
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highest production potential. Dement of the raw materials that are going to give rise
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to these noble combusteries, mainly because in the agricultural industry, in the forestry
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industry, which I have commented before, and in the food industry and also,
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well, we could take advantage of waste, because or used cooking oil
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that are already, in fact, already being put into use today. It
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would still give us the possibility, if we took full advantage of these available
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quantities, to displace almost thirteen thousand thirteen six million tons of oil equivalent that
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no more or less, because well, it could be up to fifty-
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eight percent of the demand for fossil fuel, which is a figure, because
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incredibly large. All this in two, in two thousand thirty. Obviously,
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because in reality we may not get to that scenario of maximums, of course,
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but we would be in a position to mobilize more than enough raw material
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to exceed above all the even to reach and exceed the projections we made in
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this alternative scenario, of course because in the end there are a little steps
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to be taken to achieve the objective. But all actors must also be involved
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there, not just leave it to those who want to bet. For that
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reason, refuelling like this and making a policy perhaps more open. Yes,
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but above all it' s just the ones who want to refuel like that
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and those who don' t want to refuel like that too. In other
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words, the importance is that this, the new compustures, involve everyone in
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the process of decolonization. It puts its grain of sand exactly and it is
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simply with something as simple as increasing a few points, the percentage of renewable
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fuels in carambmic lilies fuels. There are no good plans for that either.
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There is a way to increase it, but I think we could be more
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ambitious. As you mentioned earlier, small changes involve very significant, very significant
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emission reductions. There is a path at this time only to two thousand twenty
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- six. This does not give visibility to companies that have to invest billions
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of euros in Spain to transform the current refining into the refining of the future.
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Not that it will not burn good oil of the future and of the
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present, because today, already, as we said, there are at this
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moment in Spain there are installations producing 100% renewable fuels, with residues like
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used cooking oil. But in order that everything in the future, that all
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that fuel that is manufactured today is renewable, because one has to make investments
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thousand millionaires, then it is important to give this signal and to the best,
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the signal that we have is to two thousand twenty- six and pardon
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Miguel that we said with small changes can be achieved much. It' s
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just that Nette has made a calculation that I think is very, very significant,
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which maybe he can explain. There' s still one I think is
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right, yes, but that' s affecting a little bit more than what
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' s going on. Yes, if we increase one percent of renewable fuels,
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then it passes the reduction of missions equivalent to in Bacchus if we measure
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it in electrical vicles, because it would reach four hundred and twenty- five
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thousand séctricos vehicle if we pass from ten percent of noble fuels that we are
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now clear this year already eleven and eleven. Well, if we were to
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increase from ten to eleven or from eleven to twelve, we would be,
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we would be talking about reducing emissions the equivalent of putting four four hundred and
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twenty- five thousand electric vehicles on the roads, which is fifteen percent more
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than those registered at the end of two thousand of two thousand twenty- three.
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Many times, that is, we stay, we stay with this,
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but it is simply that we have to understand that small changes and bets on
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multiple technologies are the ones that will allow us to achieve those goals before and
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overcome them. We are going to talk about the pocket, also the fiscal
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issue, because energy policy proposals, tax proposals relating to raw materials and protest
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and proposals are made, there is a theory of education and awareness, which
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we have sought all the points. But many times the pocket is what encourages
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us most to return, to determine the decisions that is why right now it
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is not sold by car, because that uncertainty you will not spend what is
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always said that is the second most important purchase of life, after a home,
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which is the vehicle. In tax matters, for example, there are
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many measures in the report itself. I would therefore like to point out that
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a few are at the level of fiscal policy, especially by reducing the tax
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burden on this type of fuel, especially in view of this characteristic of sustainability.
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We were talking about abolishing the excise duty on hydrocarbon on the renewable fraction,
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perhaps something that was being done in Spain until a few years ago and
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that is done in other countries. I was telling you before we sat in
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the studio that this same year, as I was in France and I found
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myself in one at a gas station where fuel with a re- renewal content,
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a ten percent b ten percent build gnral, was cheaper than fuel with
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a seven percent renewable content, because because because I was not had the same
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tax career, it was more competitive. All that invites people to opt for
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the option was sustainable at that time and you had both options, you could
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choose, you could choose what you wanted. Of course, if you look
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at it from the point of view of your pocket, I think it'
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s a very interesting incentive. It' s just been on previous shows.
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I mean, what sense does it make that we' ve been here with
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transport companies that are making a bet to reduce their emissions you want two and
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that they' re refueling 100 percent, it' s not worth what sense
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that that 100 percent novable fuel pays exactly the same tax as if it were
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100 percent fossil. Well, man, the inflator for these companies isn'
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t really clear. And if you take away that carb tax, next year
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it' s eleven, because a man percent less than it isn' t
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taking away all the taxes either, because it already makes it attractive enough when
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you see that many times in the end you' re going to try to
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refuel where it' s a little bit more, a little bit cheaper and
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with that contribution, what you say of one percent reduces fifteen percent of the
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emissions. So, in the end, what more proposals can be made today.
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Well, at the level we connect it, I just know what to
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increase its objectives, those objectives of minimum contents of naval fuels. I think
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it would be the ante, the most, the most effective, because they
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are bringing it closer to everyone. It brings us closer to everyone. Then
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we have seen different parts, for one of the ones with the responders.
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Why don' t we make some of the renewable fuels. And well,
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we have to see you renewable hydrogen energies, why not electric vehicle, why
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not a fueling part. There is not a single line of aid for renewable
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fuels in the current prtes neither a yes nor a proof that therefore, we
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are in that sense, are small measures that I believe would not position us
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and allow us. I believe that diversifying our, our industry capacity and,
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above all, having more leverage to achieve mission reduction objectives. Of course,
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that may be another idea, perhaps, not to infect the use directly,
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not taxes, but at least one part to create those investments that they said
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is billionaires for the refining of biofuels, that they have some aids, so
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that in the end those who are going to make the investment have a support,
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a help because in the end they generate jobs and what we say,
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they move the whole economy and that even without aids, they have visibility.
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What we said before is that if right now, its visibility only reaches two
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thousand twenty- six, that that is the day after tomorrow, that is,
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these projects are projects that take years to implement. It is a long
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- term project, at least a path of objectives of two thousand and thirty,
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that the companies that have to invest see have a visibility on whether in
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that sense. The same thing last week in the Assemblies was told by the
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companies that manufacture, the manufacturers what I do how, because of course,
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a development of a new engine, for a development that already the emissions do
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not have to see them euros six with the old ones are several years that
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investment. I need to be certain. Let' s say so that I
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risk investing my money. And another point that we have not mentioned is that
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fuels are not also key to decarbonizing not only land transport, but air transport
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and maritime transport. And there it is very difficult to think of another way
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other than liquid fuels. It is merely a physical subject. You can'
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t put enough energy on a plane to make a long- range flight to
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take a large number of people. And yet, although there is much talk,
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for example, of the hydrogen producing aircraft, we are still not there
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and the planes have average lives of twenty, twenty- five years and are
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still flying. We must therefore act on this with the fleet of planes that
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exist right now and something similar happens with the transport in more. You can
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' t fill a boat with batteries more than anything, because you compete with
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the face volume in a similar way to the plane' s light. Therefore,
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you have to go to a fuel that has a high enough energy density
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and if we want to, above all, achieve the decalonization objectives that both
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industries propose, shipping will be no choice but to go to an Ojahia fuel.
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We have 30 seconds left. David, there will be some progress with
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the new Commission. Uh, that' s a tough question, mostly,
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because it' s not there yet. He' s not there. I
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believe that certain hints of perhaps flexibility are beginning to emerge, because I believe
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that ambition cannot change. I mean, we have to cow. There is
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already and will be by the way that it is electrification good, rather by
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electrification, like stairling nuvales, hydrogen whatever it is, but above all,
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that easing is the one that I think gives a little ray of hope,
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above all to achieve it, because if I do not believe that we were
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not going to carry, then at the end, as we say, we
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will put or, as we have said, our little bit of sand each
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to achieve the decarbonization objectives. And this is a real, easy and present
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option. David Cuesta, director of business consulting at Ette Data. Thank you
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very much for joining us in these minutes and congratulations on the report. Thank
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you very much for inviting him and, as always there is Cardinal Enés the
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spokesperson of the platform for renewable groceries. Thank you so much and until next
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trails to walk and more than a hundred zero, trees of fifty species,
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municipalities of Madrid with the three major regional parks. Arco Verde reconnects you with
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the nature Community of Madrid. On Fridays in Capital Radio, health protagonist,
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value, health, industry, patients professionals and managers of the research sector and
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all areas of the world of health and health with experts and leading companies.
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where different experts discuss and share their opinions about the challenges that companies and public
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institutions face to ensure their safety, every Thursday from ten to ten and a
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