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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 7-15-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Habby, Hope Bay. Everybody, Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show,
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  Speaker 1: ESPN seven ninety two one FM. Glad to be with you,
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  Speaker 1: as is always the case, as we march closer and
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  Speaker 1: closer to a Utah football season and football camp opening shortly.
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  Speaker 1: World Cup soccer being played today, we will have the
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  Speaker 1: second of two semi final contests, this one Argentina England
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  Speaker 1: winner moves on to face Spain who first half of
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  Speaker 1: the show, or first half of the game, was played
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  Speaker 1: during our show yesterday. The second half, of course, concluded
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  Speaker 1: things to nail Spain, blanks France and advances to a
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  Speaker 1: World Cup final. We'll find out if it's Argentina or
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  Speaker 1: England later today who will face the Spanish squad for
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  Speaker 1: the incredible honor of being World Cup champions. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: dive into the importance of this rivalry a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: the context of rivalries in general. This one is very unique,
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  Speaker 1: very interesting, and sent me down several different rabbit holes.
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  Speaker 1: Last night on the old Internet, our guy James Peterson
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  Speaker 1: is back after his treks and travails in Alaska. James
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  Speaker 1: Peterson brought back a box of fish, a couple of scars,
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  Speaker 1: a brand new face tattoo.
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  Speaker 2: All right, maybe not all that as you can see
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  Speaker 2: on YouTube, of course.
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  Speaker 1: All that.
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  Speaker 2: Now, if you're nice to me, oh see, maybe I'll
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  Speaker 2: share some.
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  Speaker 1: Of the hawbit. Okay, well the Alaskan How what if
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  Speaker 1: I wanted the salmon? Not enough to Sam, I just share. Unfortunately, Well,
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  Speaker 1: at least while I was there, they'll probably catch.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit more salmon. Uh, there's a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: the group I went with, is is gonna be out
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  Speaker 2: there for a few more days.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but you came home. You came home early because
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  Speaker 1: you don't you missed I missed you. Yeah, you missed us.
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  Speaker 3: I missed the missed our.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you missed your lovely wife and
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  Speaker 1: your young son, and and you realize that spent spending
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  Speaker 1: ten days away from him was probably not advisable. Maybe yeah,
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  Speaker 1: them too, of course, But uh, since you know, le'ce
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  Speaker 1: we're on the air here, I'm gonna say I miss you. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: all right, off air, there's probably a different story. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I was telling you off air.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the things we saw.
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  Speaker 2: Saw a bunch of whales which I hadn't seen whales
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  Speaker 2: in person, ever before. So that was like the coolest
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  Speaker 2: thing for me. Yeah, all of trees everywhere in Alaska.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, the forests are like we don't have
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  Speaker 2: forests here is what I learned. Like the Alaskan forests
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  Speaker 2: are the real forests.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, Like the density and vastness of them is
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  Speaker 1: hard to comprehend.
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  Speaker 2: We saw trees growing out of like old abandoned like barges,
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  Speaker 2: like they just grow everywhere there. It's it's incredible. It's
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  Speaker 2: just incredible beauty. If you ever anyone listening, if you
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  Speaker 2: ever get a chance to go up to Alaska, it
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  Speaker 2: really is. It really is the once in a lifetime opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: We were in the we were by Juno, so.
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  Speaker 1: Western Southwestern, right up above British Columbia, you know. So
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  Speaker 1: in the winters, I hear a lot more temperate because
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  Speaker 1: you're right up on the right, up next to the ocean.
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  Speaker 1: It's not what you picture when you think of Alaska,
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  Speaker 1: at least in the winters. There's still a lot of
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  Speaker 1: snow from what I hear, but a lot more temperate,
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  Speaker 1: and I think probably a lot warmer even this time
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  Speaker 1: of year than if you go buy Anchorage or something.
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  Speaker 1: So it was a good time. Did you see my
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  Speaker 1: parents because my parents are up there right now a
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  Speaker 1: glacier bay. Now you would You've never met my parents,
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  Speaker 1: so you wouldn't be able to identify them. But I
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  Speaker 1: now know.
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  Speaker 2: What you look like, and your brother Patrick's been visiting.
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  Speaker 2: I know what both of you look like, so I
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  Speaker 2: think I could piece together. Oh those are O'Connell's.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, you could probably, you could probably figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: If you saw my dad, you could figure it out, right,
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  Speaker 1: So why you know, why didn't you find them while
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  Speaker 1: you're up there? I'm sorry?
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  Speaker 2: Are they were they by Juneo Like.
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  Speaker 1: They're on a cruise so like one or two of
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  Speaker 1: the days they were by Julie we saw okay, so
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  Speaker 1: we saw like cruise ships off in the distance. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so you did see we probably did. We tried waving, okay,
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  Speaker 1: probably a little too far away to see us wave
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  Speaker 1: or the or everyone on the cruise ship was just
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  Speaker 1: really rude. I'm gonna text I'm gonna text my mom
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  Speaker 1: and ask her why should wave back? That's very rude.
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  Speaker 1: There was one time on Monday, the last day I
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  Speaker 1: was out on the water, that we that we got
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  Speaker 1: as close as we as close as we probably could
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  Speaker 1: get to a cruise ship. So they might. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: people might have sawusd they just didn't wave back. They're
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  Speaker 1: just they're just rude people. I don't know if those
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  Speaker 1: are your parents, but but whoever was on that boat,
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  Speaker 1: typically they're quite polite, so i'd be so pried. Probably
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  Speaker 1: not them. They probably did wave back. We just didn't see.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you just didn't see it, so maybe you're the problem. Maybe,
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  Speaker 1: but we did the waving at first. So we're fine. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: We're glad to have you back. Zach did a good
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  Speaker 1: job holding it down while you were gone. That's great.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out to Zach. Shout out.
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  Speaker 2: I really appreciate the work he did.
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  Speaker 4: Then.
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  Speaker 1: Uh so, yeah, but we're glad to have you back.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, it's we're marching closer. As I said
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  Speaker 1: to this this college football season, we went over some
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  Speaker 1: of the schedule stuff and some of the over underwind
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  Speaker 1: totals that I think are heavily related to the schedule.
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  Speaker 1: We will continue to die into Utah football as we
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  Speaker 1: prepare for camp to open in a season that is
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  Speaker 1: one of the most fascinating seasons we have watched at
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  Speaker 1: least closely since you know, I guess I was a
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  Speaker 1: student at the University of Utah. There's some years where
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  Speaker 1: it's been like, all right, I was a student. I
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  Speaker 1: was on the team when Kyle Whittingham took the program over,
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  Speaker 1: and that was one that was interesting. But Utah football
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  Speaker 1: had just barely become what we now call Utah football, right,
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  Speaker 1: And then there was of course the Sugar Bowl year
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  Speaker 1: that had a ton of attention and a ton of
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  Speaker 1: eyes on it and was the high water mark for
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  Speaker 1: Utah football certainly in that era and maybe ever so,
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  Speaker 1: that was a really fascinating season that I don't think
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  Speaker 1: this time of year two thousand and eight people were
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  Speaker 1: probably having the same conversations now or that we are now,
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  Speaker 1: probably weren't as even then as optimistic, excited, prepared to
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  Speaker 1: like go out on a limb and say, hey, this
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  Speaker 1: is going to be the best Utah football season in history.
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  Speaker 1: That was a great, incredibly talented squad, and obviously they
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  Speaker 1: lived up to any hype that preceded them and more.
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  Speaker 1: But this was or this is one of the more
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  Speaker 1: fascinating years. The same thing with the PAC twelve transition,
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  Speaker 1: right going into the PAC twelve and figuring out where
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  Speaker 1: you were going to stand. There was a source of
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  Speaker 1: much trepidation and excitement really for several years for Utah,
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  Speaker 1: and obviously it's ramped up since. And the expectation now
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  Speaker 1: is that you are a top twenty five team, and
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  Speaker 1: really people expect better than that. Utah football fans now
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  Speaker 1: want to be a top fifteen, a top ten team
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  Speaker 1: every single year, a conference champion, being ship caliber team
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  Speaker 1: every single year. And whether or not that is realistic
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  Speaker 1: or possible, this season we will start to find out
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  Speaker 1: really weak one but not potentially. We had the conversation
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  Speaker 1: with J. T. Wisters so yesterday, not potentially until your
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  Speaker 1: season is half over, because your schedule is kind of
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  Speaker 1: soft at the front, at least relative to our expectations.
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  Speaker 1: But we never know what we're talking about. So we'll
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  Speaker 1: be diving further into that today. In about twenty minutes,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna have Jason krice on talk, a little World
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  Speaker 1: Cup talk, a little RSL versus Burnley FC. That's happening
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  Speaker 1: tonight at America First Field. JJ Watt involved in the
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  Speaker 1: ownership team. Dave Checket's involved in the ownership team, and
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  Speaker 1: obviously he's got an incredible amount of history with RSSEL,
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  Speaker 1: and let's be honest, this is why a matchup like
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  Speaker 1: this comes together. It's the first time since late May
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  Speaker 1: that the RSL squad has been back together. I'm curious
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  Speaker 1: to know if Diego Luna and Gozo and company are
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  Speaker 1: playing with a chip on their shoulder, especially those two individuals,
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  Speaker 1: especially Diego because of being left out of the US
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  Speaker 1: men's national team selection. There's questions about Mauricio Poschatino and
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  Speaker 1: whether or not he's gonna be back with that US
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  Speaker 1: men's national team squad. I think that most American soccer
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  Speaker 1: fans want him to come back. I wonder if you're
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  Speaker 1: Diego Luna, whether you want him to come back or
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  Speaker 1: you're just like no man, guy left me out. I
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  Speaker 1: could have helped his team. We would have beat Belgium
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  Speaker 1: if I would have been there, which of course is
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  Speaker 1: a reductive way of saying like, hey, you could have
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  Speaker 1: been better with me than without me. But we'll get
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  Speaker 1: into all that with Jason christ I'm also gonna ask
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  Speaker 1: him a bunch of unfair questions about how to fix
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  Speaker 1: American soccer all the way down to the grassroots level.
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  Speaker 1: Because that conversation continues to persist. If you go to
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  Speaker 1: ESPN dot com, come, if you go to Sports Illustrated,
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  Speaker 1: you go to the Athletic there's a lot of stuff,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of publication right now, a lot of things
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  Speaker 1: you can read, a lot of ideas being floated about
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  Speaker 1: the way to strip the system down to the studs
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  Speaker 1: potentially and improve how Team USA can keep up with
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  Speaker 1: France and Spain. I'll be honest, watching France and Spain yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, man, there's a distance right now that
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  Speaker 1: we fail to appreciate because we all get rolled up
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  Speaker 1: in this hype machine about you know, wow, this is
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  Speaker 1: so fun, and look what Flowbalagan has done for this team,
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  Speaker 1: and so Genio dest and all these guys. And even
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  Speaker 1: if you're being critical pulistic, when he's battling back and
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  Speaker 1: getting himself on the pitch during the tournament, you're like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, this is cool. We can take out Bosnia.
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  Speaker 1: And then you realize that the gap between Bosnia and
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  Speaker 1: Spain and Bosnia and France and the US and those
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  Speaker 1: squads is fairly significant.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The rest of the world's like, yeah, cool, story, bro,
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  Speaker 1: you beat you beat Bosnia and Herzegovina. They won their
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  Speaker 1: group too, but it wasn't particularly a hard group. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Turkey kind of underperformed in group play. Paraguay was, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I think scary you're leading up to the tournament because
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  Speaker 1: they had beat Argentina, they had beat Brazil. But and
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  Speaker 1: they they ended up having a really good showing. They
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  Speaker 1: they knocked Germany out of the out of the round
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  Speaker 1: of thirty two. So Paraguay was was a you know, fordable,
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  Speaker 1: formidable opponent.
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  Speaker 2: But other than that, obviously you lose to a talented
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  Speaker 2: Turkey eight team, but in a game that didn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: They were already eliminated, so weren't really tested very much
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  Speaker 2: in the group. Now now we know that in hindsight,
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  Speaker 2: and they run up against a traditional soccer nation and
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  Speaker 2: European nation in Belgium with a lot of you know
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  Speaker 2: aging but you know, legendary players still on their roster
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  Speaker 2: and they got exposed well.
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  Speaker 1: And the problem with that matchup is like Belgium didn't
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  Speaker 1: even really have to go to their greatest strengths. You know,
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  Speaker 1: De Brunny didn't even play. You didn't bring in the
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  Speaker 1: way that they used Lukaku through a lot of the tournament,
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  Speaker 1: right is they would bring him in in the final
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  Speaker 1: ten minutes and he would change things. That wasn't the
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  Speaker 1: deciding factor in USA versus Belgium. But we don't need
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  Speaker 1: to relitigate that game. Everyone knows what happened there. I
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  Speaker 1: want to talk about this England Argentina game, and in
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  Speaker 1: the context of this game with the best rivalries, not
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  Speaker 1: only in soccer but in sport. You've heard me say
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  Speaker 1: on this show many, many times how important I think
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  Speaker 1: rivalries are to sport. Certainly professional sports, definitely, these international sports.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously college sports rely so heavily on rivalry talk, and
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  Speaker 1: you will never be able to convince me that Utah
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  Speaker 1: BYU is not the most important sporting event on the
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  Speaker 1: calendar every single year. When the Utah Mammoth are ten
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  Speaker 1: years into their existence and we have a definitive answer
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  Speaker 1: on who the real rival for this Utah Mammoth squad is,
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  Speaker 1: I will say similar things about that. When we get
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  Speaker 1: the Utah Cutthroats Major League Baseball team, and we decide
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  Speaker 1: that that team hates the San Francisco Giants, or that
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  Speaker 1: team hates the Anaheim Angels or whatever, then I will
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  Speaker 1: celebrate the rivalry there and I will try to foment
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  Speaker 1: a lot of anger and maybe a couple bench clearing
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  Speaker 1: brawls in a baseball game. Rivalry intensity in sports, especially
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  Speaker 1: as we water this thing down to being well, it's business,
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  Speaker 1: it's business. It's business. Money is all that matters. You
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  Speaker 1: have to accept that the money. Of course, this guy
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  Speaker 1: going to sit out this playoff game. Of course, this
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  Speaker 1: guy's gonna sit out the final regular season game. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: this guy is going to do some load management, because
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  Speaker 1: this is all about opportunity to earn, and you've got
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  Speaker 1: to maximize your potential. And of course this kid's going
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  Speaker 1: to transfer to Michigan, or of course this kid is
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  Speaker 1: going to go to USC because they pay more. As
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  Speaker 1: we do that, we are blunting the edge of why
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  Speaker 1: we really care about sports, right. We are jading ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: While we jade, the whole world becomes jaded toward money
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  Speaker 1: being the ultimate driver and the ultimate purpose behind everything.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm guilty of this, by the way, on air,
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  Speaker 1: I fully acknowledge. When I hear about a guy making
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  Speaker 1: those financial decisions, I'm like, yeah, of course, of course
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  Speaker 1: you would do that, because I would do the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not something I'm proud of. It's not something
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  Speaker 1: that is good, right. I'm not saying there's virtue in
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  Speaker 1: this kind of despise. The fact that I take the
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  Speaker 1: Alexi lawless stance on some of these things, where it's
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  Speaker 1: just like, well, yeah, it's a profit business, and as
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  Speaker 1: long as you're making profit, then every decision you make
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  Speaker 1: is justifiable. I kind of hate that. And I hate
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  Speaker 1: that when we're talking about every level of sport, part
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  Speaker 1: of the FIFA reasoning for maybe tipping the scales slightly
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  Speaker 1: in the favor of Argentina with certain pathways maybe slightly,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the referees maybe being a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: forgiving to star players in all these sports, we justify it.
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  Speaker 1: We shrug it off because of what well, of course,
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  Speaker 1: because if you eliminate Messi and Switzerland is on to
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  Speaker 1: these semi finals, nobody's watching, and ratings equal dollars and
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  Speaker 1: dollars equal importance. And we do this over and over
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  Speaker 1: and over and over again. And what is the thing
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  Speaker 1: that still anchors us to why we love sports in
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  Speaker 1: the first place. What is the thing that pulls you
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  Speaker 1: back to little league and pulls you back to playground basketball,
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  Speaker 1: and pulls you back to your college experience. It is
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  Speaker 1: I don't care how we win. All I care is
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  Speaker 1: that we win. For me. Oh see, it's ratings and
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  Speaker 1: money in billionaire's pockets, that's what That's absolutely what it
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  Speaker 1: is for me.
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  Speaker 2: It's weird that you take it in such a pure form.
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  Speaker 1: And do you know what's wild, James, is that every sports fan,
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  Speaker 1: you're not a bad sports fan if you have a
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  Speaker 1: great understanding of the fact that everything is profit driven.
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  Speaker 1: Now you're an aware of sports fan. You're an educated
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  Speaker 1: sports fan, right, You're somebody who's just kind of resigned
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  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways to Yeah, of course, this
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  Speaker 1: is what decisions are made based upon. And there's nothing
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  Speaker 1: wrong with knowing that, and there's nothing wrong with accepting that.
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  Speaker 1: But I would make an argument that we have collectively
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  Speaker 1: been pulled in the wrong direction as sports fans, as
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  Speaker 1: sports observers, as sports media ASTs, as athletes. Even so,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, all right, man, like there wasn't time. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's a bunch of problematic individuals from the
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  Speaker 1: early days of sports, Like Babe Ruth was problematic off
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  Speaker 1: the field, Karl Malone is incredibly problematic off the court.
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  Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's same thing. But one thing that we acknowledge
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  Speaker 1: about those guys. Kobe Bryant, you could say the same.
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  Speaker 1: One thing that we acknowledge about those guys is that
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  Speaker 1: they were just like competitors, right. They wanted to win,
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  Speaker 1: maybe more than they wanted anything else in life, which
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  Speaker 1: is its own pathology, but from a sports perspective, that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of what you grow up admiring. Thinking is correct
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  Speaker 1: and when you replace that with like, well, as long
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  Speaker 1: as he's making enough money. It's why I have spent
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  Speaker 1: probably way too much time on this show talking about
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson. We're not in New York. I know that
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  Speaker 1: they're the NBA champions now, so they are, They're relevant everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: But it's why we ranted about Jalen Brunson before they
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  Speaker 1: were champions, and why I tripled down on it when
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  Speaker 1: they became champions, because he did the thing, he did
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  Speaker 1: the outlier thing, and he went back to a time
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  Speaker 1: in his own mind and with his own contract where
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  Speaker 1: it's like, yes, I know when to say enough is enough.
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  Speaker 1: I know when to say I am satisfied with this
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  Speaker 1: life changing outcome, and I will I will do my
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  Speaker 1: best to make sure that I can win on top
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  Speaker 1: of this Victor Wembanyama quietly wasn't talked about a ton.
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  Speaker 1: Victor wembin Yama decided to exercise a max contract instead
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  Speaker 1: of a super max contract, And the fine print there
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  Speaker 1: is that, well, both Victor Womanyalm and the Spurs think
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  Speaker 1: that this is the best way for them to build
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  Speaker 1: a championship roster sustainably around him. And by the way,
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  Speaker 1: it looks like they've got that, it looks like they're
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  Speaker 1: a little bit ahead of schedule, so they don't have
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  Speaker 1: to do anything creative and crazy. It's not Victor Womeniama's
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  Speaker 1: not going out on the same limb that Jalen Brunson
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  Speaker 1: went out on because he's already got the guys there
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  Speaker 1: and he just wants to keep his teammates with him.
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  Speaker 1: But the point stands, you understand what I'm getting at here.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: So all these things that kind of keep us in
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: touch with our love of sports in the first place,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: rivalries are the most tangible, the most relevant of those,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: and this Argentina England rivalry is rooted in some incredibly intricate,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: deep nuanced history that the average American sports fan knows
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: very little about. You gotta go down bit of rabbit hole.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: It crosses over a geopolitical lines with the Falkland Islands War.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: How much did you learn about the Falkland Islands War.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: James that this is the first time hearing about it.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, the Falkland you know where the Falklands island
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Falkland Islands are even Okay, see this is what I'm
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: talking like. This is this is an integral part of
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: the rivalry for Argentina.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: England is it by Argentina?
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: It is?
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Okay. So the Falcon Islands, it's an archipelago of seven
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: hundred and seventy eight islands, two main islands, but a
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: bunch of you know, you know how those you know
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: how Archipela goes. You were just up near the allusion.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just a bunch of little rocks.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. On a map, it just looks like, all right,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: you drew this and then there's a bunch of crumbs
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: that came off your pencil. That's what. So the Falcon
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Islands are what those are islands. We can't erase them,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: it'll ruin the map. Those are islands. Yeah, No, one
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: like when you look at Thailand, when you look at
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: the Philippines, when you look at Papua New Guinea. When
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: you look at like all of Southeast Asia on a
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: map or whatever. No way I'm ever verifying that those
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: are in fact really there, right, the map makers could
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: have fooled us. Well. The Falkland Islands are these like
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: isolated little archipelagos off the coast of Argentina, and they
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: are they are British sovereign territory. You're getting a geography
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: lesson today while you were talking little World Cup soccer.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: They're a British sovereign territory during the British colonial period
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: early eighteen hundreds, after you know, Argentina had claimed these islands,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: and Spain had claimed these islands and all these other
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: you know, the indigenous peoples of the area had at
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: some point landed on them and used you know, the
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: sea birds and whatever else. The English are just like
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: these are ours, three hundred miles east of Patagonia, eight
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: thousand miles away from London, and the British are like
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: the Falkland Islands are ours. And that was eighteen hundreds,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: all the way through the nineteen hundreds up into the
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, James, when Argentina was just like no, we're
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: taking these back and so this this colored the eighty
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: six World Cup. Then absolutely you're about to build up
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: to Diego Maradona in that match.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: So in nineteen eighty two, so before I was born,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: long before James was born, for seventy four days, Argentina
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: invaded the islands, which by the way, are called in Argentina,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: and they're not called the Falkland Islands. They're called Las
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Malvinas because of course, why would you adopt the British
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: name for islands that you feel like belong to yourself?
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: And to this day James Peterson in the Year of
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Our Lord twenty twenty six, on July fifteenth, presently Argentina
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: and England disagree over whether or not the Falkland Islands
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: are sovereign territory of Britain or of Argentina. Functionally they
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: are British. Seventy four days of fighting, the British retook
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: the islands, and then in twenty thirteen when they had
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: a vote over this disputed territory, the mostly British expat
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: British immigrant citizens said, yeah, we want to be part
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: of England, not part of Argentina. But Argentina is like no,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: They still belong to us. Even though the British have
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: a military garrison there, Even though the British kind of
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: handle all of the governance and systems there, Argentina is
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: still like, well, it's three hundred miles away from us,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: it's eight thousand miles away from you. This is part
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: of Argentina, not of England. Okay. So this is in
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties, nineteen eighty two. There's a war, there's casualties,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: there's deaths, there's actual fights between this and England because
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: they're England and Argentina's Argentina. England wins, okay, And so
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: the hand of God goal, one of the most controversial
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: and legendary things that has ever happened in any sport,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: came four years after this, and Argentine players recount long
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: before Diego Maradonna had cemented himself. Well, I guess it's
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: not long before, but it is before Diego Maradona has
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: cemented himself with the hand of God goal, which he
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: later in his life admitted was exactly was a handball.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: You didn't have var Back then, the English knew that
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Diego knew he was so clever in the way that
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: he spoke about it. There's a thirty for thirty if
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: you've never seen it, if you're tuning in, you're like,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Hand of God? Goal two
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: to one Argentina. That was the first goal that Argentina scored. Actually,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: he goes up for a header. He's Leo Messi's size, right,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: so he's not gonna win the header no matter how
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: high he jumps. His arm is up near his head.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: His left arm is actually what knocks the ball into
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: the goal. And England, of course, is upset about it.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Asked about a postgame because there's no replay, Diego Maradonna said,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: it was a little bit the head of Diego Maradonna.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: It was a little bit the hand of God, and
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: if became called the hand of God.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: Goal.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, And this is right after the Falcon Islands War.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: But one thing that has talked about less is that
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: in the tunnel walking out, Diego Maradonna said to his teammates,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: let's go beat them. They killed a bunch of our kids.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Talking about the Fulton Islands War. And this is where
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: it's crazy, right. Argentina carried certainly into this contest and
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: carried into the nineteen ninety eight contest and the two
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: thousand and two contests. Argentina carried the Falkland Islands conflict
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: like right next to their hearts. They were like, these
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: people invaded our territory and stole it from us, and
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: the English, predictably are just like what They don't feel
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: the same venom, the same vitriol. Theirs is all soccer related.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Theirs is all you cheated and scored a goal and
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: beat us in the nineteen eighty six World Cup, Like
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: that's why we hate you. And Argentina's like, we hate
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: you because of soccer and because of the Falkland Islands War,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: because of course it's eight thousand miles away from your
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: home and you won, right, So there's no grave injustice
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: done to the British here in their minds, especially like
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: soccer players, there's like, what are you talking about? Guys?
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Why are you mad? And here's a and here's where
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: it all comes full circle when you talk about Argentina
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: getting away with something that refs just conveniently, don't see.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: That's the story of Argentina's World Cup so far, oh see.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: And it's another reason if England ends up losing to
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: MESSI and Argentina. There's inevitably going to be some looking
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: the other way like there allegedly has been all tournament
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: for Messi and company, and there's gonna be even more
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: outrage and just I think justifiable outrage if that's the
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: case for Harry Kane and company. Similar to the hand
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: of God, the outrage over the hand of God handball,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: that handball goal that Diego Maradona had in nineteen eighty six.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: So well, I hope that doesn't color this match, but
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: that's that's colored every one of Argentina's matches so far
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: this tournament. So I don't know why today's not going
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: to be any different. The reason we have red and
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: yellow cards is because of England Argentina. Did you know that?
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Actually did not know that? This is actually long before
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: the nineteen eighty two faulton islands problem. This is long
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: before the nineteen eighty six hand of God goal. In
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six, England played Argentina at Wembley Stadium.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: This is the year. This is the year that the
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: English brought the Cup home.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Yes, they say over there, and they're they're waiting on
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: doing it again since then. Right, So this was a
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: group stage or no excuse me. They met again in
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: a quarterfinal after the group stage. They met in a
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: group in a quarterfinal at Wembley Stadium in nineteen sixty six,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: and the English manager was named alf Ramsey and he
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: felt like Argentina was playing rough, they were playing dirty soccer.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: And obviously this you know, this is nineteen sixty six,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: so tensions are a little bit different when you're talking
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: about international relations and things like that. That the referee
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: in the game spoke only English, it's at Wembley Stadium,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: couldn't communicate with the Argentine players.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: That seems seems like a problem for them.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Alf Ramsey, the English manager called the Argentine players animals
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: because they were being so rough, and Argentina was, of
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: course like, what you can't call us animals. England had
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: this is when every country, every British territory overseas, by
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: the way, right now, in the sixties was declaring their
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: independence and fighting for independence.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: At this time, right there was a lot of tension
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: with the British.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: The days of British colonialism were like we're shrinking, coming
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: to an end in present day right And in a
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: one zero England victory after what the English manager thought
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: was a bunch of dirty plays. There was the captain
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: for Argentina. His name was Antonio Ratton. He got a
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: red card and got sent off. He refused to leave.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: He wouldn't leave for ten minutes. He's like, no, the
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: referee given him a red card and sent him off,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: and he's like, no, that's crap, I'm not leaving. He's
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: speaking Spanish. Referee can't speak Spanish back to him. Allegedly,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: there's no understanding between the two of them. And in
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: his protest, and this is my favorite part about it,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: when he eventually did get escorted off by two police officers.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: They had a red carpet that was specifically designated for
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth I right. He ripped his shirt off and
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: he plopped down on that carpet and wouldn't get off
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: the carpet. No one else was supposed to touch the carpet,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: only the queen, and the Argentine captain was just like
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: bleep that and just plopped himself down on there through
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: his little tantrum. So that was in the sixties, and
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: then you have a meeting in the eighties and then
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: David Beckham gets sent off in nineteen ninety eight, the
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: greatest disgrace in Trouble of his career. Argentina wins that one,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: and then he scores a penalty in two thousand and
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: two and beats Argentina, and that is the context of
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: today's rivalry, where Argentina meets England for a trip to
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: the World Cup final. I feel like it's because people
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: like you and I here in the United States are
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: not are not that into soccer except for a World Cup,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: but also because it's been since two thousand and two
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: since they've played, so I feel like the rivalry has
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: been very dormant for a long time. And that's that's
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: the reason why people like you and I didn't know
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: these things until until the match was set a few
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: days ago. Right, yeah, just the simmering tension belongs to
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: the old heads, right, it's all the guys that are
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: in their late forties, fifties, sixties. Now they remember how
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: hardcore this thing was and we get it again today
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: and go back. ESPN did a great article on this
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: and why the rivalry is the way it is. I
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: want you to read it. It takes about five minutes
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: to read, and just you layer every it's Utah BYU.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: It's players, legendary players from this rival, saying I will
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: never forgive Diego Maradona for cheating the way that he did.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I don't care that he's a legend. I will never
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: forgive him for what he did to us. That is
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: why we love sports. Something that just stays in you.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: It's rooted in your spine after it happens. After you
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: get that win, you brag about it forever. Utah BYU
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: nine years, nine consecutive meetings. More than nine years, but
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: nine consecutive meetings where every Utah player gets the brag
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: for the rest of their lives. I never lost to
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: BYU when they're in the office, when they're at the wedding,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: when they're with their spouse who comes from a BYU family. Oh,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that like. That's like losing in
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: that rivalry game to you. And now the script has
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: flipped and BYU has this hawsiness.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Now we've got a few there's a there's a handful
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: of BYU players that can say the same thing because
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: of their their recent win streak.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's wild, but it's why we love sports.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I could rant about this forever. I got to take
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: a break so we could get to Jason christ We'll
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: talk a little World Cup with him. I'm gonna ask
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: him about his favorite rivalry during his playing days, get
• 33:37
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  Speaker 1: the Argentina England semi final. Another fun thing here. Argentina decided,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: you know what, let's make it, let's petition FIFA and
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: let's see if we can wear our away kits for
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: this game. Argentina's away kits are the dark blued. You
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: know why they want to wear those because the best
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: moments of Argentine football against England, including the Hand of
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: God game. Guess what color they were wearing. I love it.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: It's a real rivalry. Jason Christ kind enough to step
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  Speaker 1: on with us and talk a little RSL return against
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  Speaker 1: Burnley FC, and of course some World Cup. Jason Christ,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: how are you, sir?
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: I'm doing great. Thanks for having to be honest.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, glad to have you on. I spent the
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: first half hour of the show just ranting about the
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: crazy history in this Argentina England World Cup rivalry. Not
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: because I was raised in it, and not because I
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: know all that much about it, but because the reporting
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: on it and the fact that we get this matchup
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: educated me to the intensity of it and how incredible
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: the history is and how nuanced some of it is,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: and you know, it goes well beyond the pitch for
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of people. And so I wanted to ask
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: you your faith rich rivalry that you played in, that
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: you coached in, that you have administered over whatever, your
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: favorite soccer rivalry, and why it mattered so much to you.
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, obviously there's some really good blood. Starting out
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: as a player in Dallas for a strange reason I'm
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: practiced for why, but Chicago was our biggest rivalry and
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: every single game like it had so much motion in it.
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: The fans in Chicago were some of the meanings out there.
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: So I have a lot of a lot of memories
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: of being called a lot of creative names in Chicago.
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: Then as a coach, you know, Colorado was a big
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: rival of ours, but I would say we had more
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: meaningful games against the Galaxy, So I think, you know,
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: as the history of coaching here, that would have to
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: be a big rivalry. They just had a fan. The
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: US Mexico rivalry is actually it's a gigantic a lot
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: of hatred there between those two teams, and a lot
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: of fighting and in fighting and just crazy things that
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: happened in all the those games.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts on Argentina England today? It's
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: been what it's been twenty four years, I think since
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: these two teams have met up with anything close to
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: this level of consequence, and you know, Messi on one side,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Cain and Bellingham and those guys on the other. How
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: do you see today semi final playing out?
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think this one's going to be in
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: intriguing as yesterday's. You know, I think that this this
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: final four of this World Cup is absolutely fantastic. If
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: you kind of alluded to or think about golf. When
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: you go into that final day and if you've got
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: five of the top two in the world fighting for
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: the leaderboard, it reminds me of that these are these
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: are four powerhouses in the world. Game happened for a
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: long time, really that in the history of the game,
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: all four the powerhouses. It's such a day's game. I
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: think should be great for that. The thing that I
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: think about is like England and Argentina arguably are two
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: of the most soccer trade countries.
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: In the world.
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: The most passion is safe go to the game in
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: either one of those places, you could really feel the
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: energy of the past coming out of the fair groups.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: So I think the absolutely exciting and entertaining games.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: World Cup in general. We've talked about it a little
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: bit and when you join me, I don't know, a
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, maybe a week ago, we talked
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: about the context of the North America hosting this thing
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: and and Team USA and all that, and this was
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: the last time we had a conversation, right uh, the
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: exit looming and the Balligan situation and all that. Now,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: the narrative around US men's national team is one of
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: are we developing the right way? Is our youth soccer system? Correct?
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: I have young kids who are like at the very
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: very beginning in women's soccer and girls soccer, of like
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: kind of exploring this. My wife was a college soccer player,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: and she's like, no, it's this is exactly what it is.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: It's club teams and things like that. So I'm going
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: to do the very unfair thing right now, Jason christ
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to say I give you a totally
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: blank slate on American soccer and from the youth movement
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: all the way up to what I think is a
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: very successful model that we've seen with RSL, with the
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: academy developing professional talent. How do you make the US
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: men's national team as dominant as some of these Argentina, England, Spain,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: France type squads.
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: You giving me a blank check book as well?
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I am yes, if that's what it takes.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think if we were to just
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: say our objective is that to try to lead a
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: World Cup, I think we probably would start by saying
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: we need to get rid of the paper play model.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: And that's what that's what happens to other countries. You
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: know gets into the countries that want to play soccer
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: at any level really can find a community resource that
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: is fund to find the community that can play for
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: free essentially, and I think definitely have taken a major
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: step towards that in that all of the MLS teams
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: now have academy teams, and all of the nast academy
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: teams they do not require the parents to pay a
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: dime for that. So the ownership of our MLS teams
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: has taken on a tremendous amount of the burden for
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: the development of young players in our country. I would
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: call to arms US Soccer because US Soccer does not
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: spend a majority of that money on development with young players.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: US Soccer funds they like the national teams, but they
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: are not reaching back to MLS say we would like
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: to also help him with the funding in other countries
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: like England. I went to England over the winter this
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: year to talk to them about their academy system. Their SA,
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: their Football Association basically gives a kickback to any club
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: that takes their development and their young players very seriously.
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: The club's academy is seen to give a certain level
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: in the kicks back money to those clubs and it's
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: part and parcel of the development of those players. So
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of club coperation collaboration that
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: still needs to happen in our country. But I do
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: think I would repeat, I think the MLS teams are
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: doing a very nice job of taking a step in
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: the right direction.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine why there would be I mean, unless
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: it's a lack of resources for US soccer itself, why
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: they wouldn't want to follow the model of you know,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: like you just mentioned England, Because I imagine then you know,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: if that kickback is coming, then the clubs themselves and
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: the youth development system themselves, they're incentivized to do better, right,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: to be better so that they qualify for that kickbacks.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: It just feels it's intuitively, it makes a lot of sense.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Even for a non soccer guy.
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: It makes a ton of sense in my mind. What
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: it does. It also allows he with soccer to now
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: have a hand in the development of those players, right,
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: they can set standards that hold the music outomies to
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: those standards and say if you don't meet these standards,
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: then we won't be helping you to fund your academy.
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: Because it's not at the level that it needs to be.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: Now they're involved, Now we're collaborating. Now we're communicating about
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: these young players that we're developing, hopefully to become future
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: US smith's national team stars.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: I've given you a blank checkbook and a blank slate,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: and part of that is you've got to decide with
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Mauricio Poschattino at the end of his contract, if you
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: know you retain him and and uh, and he is
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: the guy to lead this men's national team moving forward.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: What would you do on that front?
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: Uh, this is a really difficult decision, and I would
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: I would give I would give an opinion two ways. Opinions.
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: Number one would say that a coach of a national
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: team needs more than two years to sort of complete
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: his pathway his journey with the team. And so from that,
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: for expected, if I would want to air on, let's
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: get this guy another four years. But from the perspective
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: of what I see as a soccer person, an actual
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: playing on the field under him, I can't say that
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: I'm pleased. I am not a fan of what I
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: see with the team. I am a fan of you know,
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: all the emotion and passion and went into this World Cup.
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: I am a fan of what this team was able
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: to give this country this World Cup, but tactically I
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: just don't see enough there. I want to see us
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: take the next step. I want to see us play
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: with a real clear identity with how we're trying to
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: score goals, with how and wherever we're trying to defend.
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: I just want to see more. So I give you
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: both sides of the offense there. I apologize for that.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: No, it's good because it gives me the whole picture.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Jason Price is our guest here on the Sean o'connelle,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: So I'm talking about the World Cup. We'll get to SAMRSL.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: And look, my hope was, and I know your hope was,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: and a lot of people here in Salt Lakes the
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: hope was there would have been an RSL element. As
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: we watched this US men's national team, you know, it
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: felt like Diego Luna was gonna make the squad, that
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Gozo had a chance making the squad. Of course we've
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: already talked about this. Neither guy ends up on the squad,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: and through group play I was like, Okay, well I
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: don't really know what I'm talking about, and you know
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: things things worked out right, you won the group and
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: you beat Bosnia and it's like, all right, so maybe
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: for lack of an attribute, didn't need those guys. And
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: then and then against Belgium, you see a team that
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: comes out kind of flat. And I'm not saying that
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Diego Luna or Gozo or anyone would have been the
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: ultimate solution for that. But when Burhalter gets subbed in,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: there's like at least a little life there, and there's like,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: you know, a little injection of energy, and it's like, oh, well,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: maybe this is the place where a moon man would
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: have been the perfect fit for this UITs men's national team.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: And I wonder if you watching that Belgium game had
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: any of those same thought.
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: One thousand you know again, I would say if you
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: went to the Australia game, actually got to go to
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: that game live, but what a great experience. So thankful
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: to my ownership group for taking me. But you saw
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: a team in Australia that was also sitting back, very deep.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: It was difficult to break down. It's those kind of games, uh.
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: And in the second half against Belgium, they didn't need
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: to do anything other than just make sure we didn't
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: create any real good goal scoring chances. It's those kind
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: of games where you need a Luna who wants to
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: receive the ball between the lines between their back four
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: and their midfield four, wants to turn and to go
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: at players to make combinations and goals scoring chances happen.
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: And I think you know, you just looked at the
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: substitutions that were made in that game. He ended up
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: with four central I would call it more defensive central
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: midfield players on the field all at once. And so
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: again like, does he not had that player in his roster?
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: I would argue that he did, maybe one or two
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: of the players, but he certainly didn't seek the trust
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: him because he didn't put him on. And Luna has
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: shown in the past year and a half that he's
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: played capable of doing those six at that level. So
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: I think there was a perhabsolut g loot an argument
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: for his inclusion in that group. But it's playing and
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: that's what it gave.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Well. Good news for all the oursel fans out there
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: is you don't have to wait any longer for Diego
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Luna because you've got a friendly against Burnley FC at
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: America First Field tonight. It's the first game since May
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: twenty third. Again, the last time you were on, we
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: talked a little bit about what these guys have been
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: up to, and you know, your your eyes on. So
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: what should we expect. Is this a club that is
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: in full form and ready to hit the ground running
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: even in a friendly.
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean essentially what we're what we're at is
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: we're at the end of a second three season. So
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: the guys have been working extremely hard. They had a
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: friendly came up at Minnesota last week. We played a
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: game against Nashville a couple of weeks ago. There has
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: been sort of match like minutes for the players who
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: rounding it to four, I didn't see him play against Minnesota,
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: so I'll play the week before and I was very
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: happy with where the level was, and so yeah, really
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: interesting to see how the night goes for people that
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: don't know that this is a friendly. But this is
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: going to be more than just a normal friendly, because
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: it's our last opportunity to get our guys out there
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: and get it ready for next week's game at l AFC.
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: So we will be playing our strongest lineup for the
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: majority of this game. And so if they're fans out
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: there that have been a little hesitant about buying tickets,
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: I would say, get those tickets bought, come get a
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: look at that this new, fresh and hungry RSL and
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: is ready to start the second half of this season.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: It'll be next Wednesday for the return of MLS actual
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: play against LAFC. And obviously you're kind of rounding after
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: the international break. You're heading into this second half of
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: the season in a really good position, third in the
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: West right now. And you know, is this where you
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: expected the team to be? The MLS season is such
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: a marathon? Is this kind of where you thought, you know,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: maybe you would be after this international break?
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: Frankly and honestly, this is well ahead of where I'm
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: not this take would be. I was preaching to ownership
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: and other folks that would listen, saying at the beginning
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: of the season for all that it need to be
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: real patient here. They've got so many new pieces and
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: trying to put this all together is going to take time.
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: And it's definitely got the exact opposite. But we had
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: a really nice start to the season. The team has
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: come together so quickly. All of our new players are
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: new signings, have a major contribution to the very positive
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: way and the first half of the season. So we
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: feel real good about where we're at, and now the
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: messages can we push on? Can we take a good
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: beginning of the season that push on and approve and
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: finish really strongly and then see if the kid makes
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: a sort of playoff run.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: On the women's side. In WSL side, the Royals are
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: back in action. A couple of losses on the bounce, now,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: tough one against Chicago. I was there for the three
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: to one loss to Gotham on Friday, and then it's
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Orlando coming in to America First Field on Saturday. So
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: how do they get back on the right track on Saturday?
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's a very similar. I would actually
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: say they've had a better start to their season than RSL.
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: Going into the break, we had finished I think tied
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: for second or third place in the entire league. So
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: a really really positive first of the opening stands and
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: let's call it to the season. They've come back after
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: a break, and they unfortunately we find a couple of
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: really key injuries. Our two Japanese players began to knockoff
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: that MIAI both picked up injuries on international duties. So
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: we're missing two important players there. Page Croned picked up
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: an injury actually just before the break, and she's coming
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: back to victory. And then a really important player for us,
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: Jo real central defender has picked up an injury, but
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: she's not coming back as well. And so when you
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: miss those important pieces and they think there's some other
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: things about you know, coaching staff was missing and kind
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: of the break was not handled the most perfect and
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: smooth way by our group. That led to a couple
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: of slips the last two games. But we got an
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: opportunity to speak against Orlando at home to right some
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: of those wrongs, as well as having players coming back
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: from intree. So we all still feel really positive about
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: the oyl's season so far and how we think we
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: could end this season.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: We were in the building, my family and I came
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: to the three to one Gotham game and the I
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: will say this, the Drone Show was a big hit
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: in the O'Connell household. On Princess Knight, that was that
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: was elite.
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: Was the Drone Show better than the Princesses?
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Well there, I thought they were both great, But I'm
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: going off the opinions of a seven year old, a
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: four and a half year old and a two year old.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: It seems like the drone show was the big hit.
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: Okay, always wise to follow their opinions.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: We will see you tonight, or at least I hope
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: I will see you tonight. Also coming down to check
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: out oursel versus Burnley. So appreciate your time today and
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: hopefully I get to chat with you later.
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: You betcha thanks again for having me.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: That's Chasing Christ, president of soccer operations for RSL and
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: for Royals in the NWSL. Burnley FC coming into America
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: first field tonight. JJ Watt is allegedly going to be
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: there with his wife, who is from the Sandy Draper area.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: He is, of course, one of the co owners of
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: this team, alongside Dave check. It's I wonder if Spence
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: is going to this game since his dad's going to
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: be there. I guess I don't even know if his
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: dad's gonna be I'm sure Spence ed Dave we'll both
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: be there. They'll be sitting in front row or something
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: or in a suite like like Spence is wont to
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: do when he goes to games, So I that would
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: be my guess. But we'll see something to talk about
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: in crosstalk. Speaking of Spence, checkets join him at Brighton
• 54:22
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• 54:25
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• 54:30
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• 54:33
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• 54:56
  Speaker 1: we've shuffled things around just a little bit. Bouler has
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: to punt until tomorrow. That's fine, Craig Bowlerjack will join
• 55:03
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• 55:06
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• 55:59
  Speaker 1: even for us to be talking mostly soccer that whole time,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: but I went down a rabbit hole last night about
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: the England versus Argentina rivalry. That rabbit hole took me
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: so deep that I learned about an island I didn't
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: even know existed in the Atlantic Ocean. Apparently the occupants
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: of the Falclond Islands who have had you know, that's
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: been the site of conflict geopolitical conflict between Argentina and England,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: including a seventy four day war back in nineteen eighty two.
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  Speaker 1: Most of the citizens are from England, and then there's
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  Speaker 1: also a bunch of people who have immigrated to the
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: Falclond Islands from this tidy little place that's off the
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: coast of Namibia. So you learn a little something new
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: every day, or at least I do, because I guess
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know enough already. England versus Argentina will kick off.
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• 57:22
  Speaker 1: if you do have a better place to watch it,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: you're probably wrong, So go ahead and watch it. As
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: the World Cup has kind of taken over the awareness of,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: or has taken over the imagination of sports fans all
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: over the place, and I think I hope it still
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: holds that momentum here in the United States, even though
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: you know the US is out of the tournament. You're
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: getting It's kind of like when you're a Utah football
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: fan or a BYU football fan and you love college
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: football season and you want your team to make the
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: college football playoff, but then they don't. Are you still
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: the type that watches the college football playoff? Obviously? I
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: am are you still watching Indiana versus Miami in a
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: championship game, because what we have with these semi finals,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: the one played yesterday with Spain and France, and the
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: one that's coming today with Argentina and England. I mean,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: it's the equivalent of an NCAA Final four. That's like
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: I said, It's like it's Duke North Carolina, Kansas, Michigan
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: or something in the final four. In the semi finals
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: of a college football playoff. It's usc Notre Dame Miami,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Ohio State. All respect to Indiana, but they're a new
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: blood rather than a blue blood. These are the blue
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: bloods of soccer that we're watching. So France is out,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Spain moves on to the final. We find out who
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: plays against Spain today when Argentina takes on England at
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: one o'clock.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: And by the way, that completely screwed you up. You
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: chose the wrong champion. Oco embarrassing for you. You had
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: France winning, didn't you have Jordan winning?
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: You know what? This isn't about me. I just want
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: to I just want to make sure. I just been
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: to make sure we're on the same page. Or didn't
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: you have I did the Nation of Jordan winning. I did.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: I did so. I made I we weren't able to
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: get to this last week with the with media days,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: and we only had two shows, two live shows last week.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: O see, but I wanted to I wanted to update you.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: I made a little fantasy points system.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: You won.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: I'll just throw that out there at the beginning.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Just I'm not not trying to say I beat you
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: or anything, but here's here's what I did. One we
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: got one point for predicting the right group winner. Okay,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: you got half a point for if we picked the
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: team to win the group. They didn't win the group,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: but they still advanced, right, I figured that's fair. Yeah.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Two points for predicting the correct round that the US
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: men's national team went out. You said, round of sixteen.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: You got the two points there, I said quarters, I
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: missed out, all right. And then three points for picking
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: the correct champion. Neither of us got that.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: We want.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: You don't have to say who I picked again, just
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: neither of us got it. Okayoc geez, So I got
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: five points, you finished with ten. You're looking at this
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: from a binary standpoint. It's like it's like both of
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: us were just wrong. Not that you were much more wrong.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: There's no nuance, it's just we're right or wrong.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: There's multiple ways that you could approach this right. It's like,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: did you predict the correct champion? The answer in both
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: of our cases is no, So we're both equal. So
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: we're equally wrong, equally wrong. You doubled me up though,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: in this little fantasy game. I just I created out
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: of our picks ten points, because you got seven. You
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: picked seven group winners, which is very impressive, pretty good.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: And of your two of your picks, the teams that
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: you picked to win the group did advance to knockouts
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: but did not win the group, so you got a
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: full an extra point for that one. And then you
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: got your the two points for saying for being unpatriotic
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: and knowing ahead of time that the US was gonna
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: have an embarrassing loss in the round of sixteen. I
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: don't think that makes me unpatriotic. But also, by the way,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: I think it's important to note that I picked all
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: of those group winners correctly. But the rule was that
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: we couldn't pick the same group. Yeah, that's for fun,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: make it more fun, but also so that we had
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: different we had different group winners. Yeah, because contrast to me,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: the only points I got was in the group stage.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: I got two what was from the group stage? I
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: should say, well, two.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: Group winners and then I then six of mine advanced
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: to knock out, one of which was Team USA.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so and you got to pick first in that one. Obviously,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: if I were allowed to, I would have picked Team USA.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, we don't know that you
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: pick Turkey A is the only team that didn't advance
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: from that group?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Who? But who won the game between USA and TURKYA?
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: The meaningless game? Shout out? Shout out to you for
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: no there was.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: We did a little snake draft format, so I happened
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: to look out when it was time for us group
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: to be picked, I got to pick first.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: That's true. Let me ask you this, do you feel like, Okay,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: so I don't golf. A lot of people not so
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: much anymore because there people close to me are just
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: resigned to the fact that they're not going to convince
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: me to get into it to be a big golfer. Right,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: there are plenty of people that say the best place
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: to get business done, the best place to get new
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: job opportunities, is out on the golf course. You want
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: stock advice, be out on the golf course. There's somebody
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: out there who knows what they're doing. You want to
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: close a deal, big real estate acquisition, invite the seller
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: to go golfing and hash it out over eighteen holes whatever.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that's real. There's no way this many people
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: would be talking about it if it wasn't a real thing.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: I think that the power broker relationships that happen in
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: these like hyper exclusive events is even more interesting. Right
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: If you can get business deals done golfing, I'm sure
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: you can get even better business deals done golfing the
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: week of the Masters or something like that, taking somebody
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: to Augusta. Right now, the NBA is piggybacking off of
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: the World Cup, the popularity of the World Cup, the
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: international flavor of the World Cup. And we saw the
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: NHL do this with the Four Nations right when we
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: saw the NBA then do it copycat and bringing international
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: flare to their All Star weekend. The NBA right now
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: is seizing the moment of you know, sort of Olympic
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: level fervor over soccer and over right now, let's be honest,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: a European friendliness toward America, European fan bases, realizing that America,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: American product, American brands not all bad. This is a
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: perfect segue to the picture I sent you from an
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: airport on the way home. Mostly so that was the
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: Seattle airport, right, Yeah, I had no idea that, and
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: it's a brilliant move by the folks there, But I
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: had no idea that there were people trying to capitalize this.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: So you know one of those convenience stores that where
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: everything costs way too much. Yeah, and in the terminal,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: I'm walking around looking to buy some licorice for way
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: too much money to snack on the plane. Right, what
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: kind twizzlers? Okay? Yeah?
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: Wow?
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: Okay are you? Are you red vines?
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: Guy?
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: Well, liquis is not my favorite. But if I'm going, Chris,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: and you're going in an airport licoric situation, they got
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: that Wallaby Willies or whatever it's called.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: I did, I didn't see. I didn't. I didn't see
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: any of those where I was. But I still I'm
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: a sucker for twizzlers, all right, that's fair. But so
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: I got got me my pack of Twizzlers. I'm walking
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: out and they have a World Cup section, which I'm like, okay,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: of course, this is one of the World Cup hosting sites.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: And they've got a book with it looked like a
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: photo book of the top players in the World Cup
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: and some other some some stuffed animals, World Cup themes,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: stuffed animals, and next to all of that, Oh see
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: it is hidden Valley ranch dressing.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so great because, like we talked about, so
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: many European fans and international fans became obsessed with ranch
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: dressing and they wanted to take some home, and then
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: people would show up and have it in their carry
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: on bags and they'd have to dump it out or
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: throw it away TSA.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: So this is so now places, there's got to be
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: other places.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure JFK and LaGuardia and it's some
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: of these other and some of these other hosts airports
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: are they've probably got their own same thing in the terminal.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: So you don't have to dump this out because you're
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: buying it here. I need to know how long this lasts, right,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: because if the inventory of if ranch becomes a big
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: time seller at airports, that is going to be one
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: of the craziest byproducts of this World Cup being in
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: North American World Cup. If suddenly, you know, I'm flying
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: to a PFL event going through Amsterdam, or going going
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: flying from Salt Lake City to Amsterdam to get overseas,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: and there's ranch dressing at the Salt Lake City airport
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: because all of a sudden, every European wants to get
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: ranch while they're in America, that is gonna be nuts.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: If this is something that just fades out as soon
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: as the World Cup is over, that make more sense
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: in any case. Back to the actual sports story, Here's
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: there's a moment happening right now where the international community
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: is looking at sports business in America, doing business with
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: American sport, and saying, hey, this is this World Cup
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: thing has worked out pretty well, and the NBA is
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: trying to capitalize on this. Adam Silver, the league's board
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: of governors, etcetera, etcetera, Deputy Commissioner, they are having meetings
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: right now during the World Cup, allegedly today at a
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: World Cup semi final, speaking with groups interested in owning
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: NBA europe teams. Now, we've talked about expansion of the
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: NFL to Europe. That has been played with obviously used
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: to be an NFL Europe, which was kind of occupying
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: the same space that the UFL does now, Guys who
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: can't necessarily make a staple NFL roster, we're playing over
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: an NFL Europe or bouncing back and forth between them.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: The NBA is proposing though, that NBA teams, NBA affiliated
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: teams would have a place in Europe. I really want
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: to know what kind of hostility there will be to
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: the NBA entering that market. This is there's a EuroBasket
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: already has teams over there.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: The EuroLeague is arguably the second best league in the world.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: G League has an argument with that too, But yet
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: they are well established over there. They have their own
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: way of playing in their own tournament formats, that kind
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: of thing that is not like the NBA's playoff format. Yeah,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: it would be interesting. They they definitely up to this point,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: if they're ready to start sort of launching this thing,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: they definitely have had You would think, you would hope
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: they've had conversations with the clubs over there to be like,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: how how can we coexist, how can we become how
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: can we unite into one whatever we need to do
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: to make this work. If they haven't oc They're in
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: for a The NBA is in for a tough time
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: here because they're nuts over there about their sports and they,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: like you said, they've had this foothold here, they do
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: not want to give it up.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: Uh. This is the quote from Adam Silver. We've had
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: tremendous interest from multiple cities in Europe, including cities that
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: we didn't ask for bids from. So right, you're going
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: into a European NBA mark. You're saying, Hey, i would
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: like to have a team in Paris. I'd like to
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: have a team in London. I'd like to have a
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: team in Berlin. I'd like to have a team. You're
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: gonna probably hit all of the big clubs, right, or
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: all the big cities and try to put a club there.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: And apparently there are you know, a bunch of other
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: teams or a bunch of other cities that have entrepreneurs
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: have business owners that are saying I would also like
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: to have an NBA team here in my city. Now, again,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: the easiest equivalent to draw here is things like the
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: G League, is things like the UFL, where if you
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: try to go in where there's already an NFL team,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: your UFL team is going to struggle for the most part. Obviously,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: LA is big enough, New York is big enough that
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: they feel like, you know, we're serving a different fan
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: base because the people who can't afford those NFL tickets
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: but want to go see pro football, maybe they'll come
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: watch us. The teams that see to thrive, if you
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: can say anyone is thriving in things like the G
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: League and the UFL, are in those sort of secondary markets,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: those like Triple A cities, if you will. Triple A
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: baseball is another great equivalent here, right, So, And the
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: reason I bring that up is because a lot of
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: European clubs are in Madrid and Barcelona and Paris already
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: in all the all the places that you that you
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: could name without ever visiting Europe, Like, yeah, I know
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: that's in Europe. Yeah, I went to I went to
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: a professional basketball game in Leon, France. Leon is like
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: the second city of France, and we went to a
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: professional basketball game there and it was a high level
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: of basketball. It was a bunch of French, uh French
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: like teenagers and a bunch of American D one basketball players,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: so kind of like a mix of This is the
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: best France has to offer from our system, our development system,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: and this is a bunch of guys who couldn't make
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: it into the NBA and are probably even a level
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: below the G League potentially, or just preferred this to
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: the G League, and they're playing over here. It's a
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: high level of basketball. It's at least as good as
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: you know non major college basketball. It's a fifteen thousand
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: seed arena, twelve thousand probably seed arena. It's full, and
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: that's in That's not in Paris, right, So I'm like, Okay,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: maybe when I read an article like this, the NBA
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: trying to bring NBA teams, NBA Europe teams to Europe,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: the appetite for sport over there is dare I say
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: it as robust, as ravenous, or maybe more than here
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: in the United States of America, and basketball is something
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: that will it's a little bit more of a universal
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: thing like the NFL Europe thing. Made sense for the
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: NFL to have properties to try to develop players, but
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: there's no American football fans, especially in those days, You're
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: playing to an expat community, and the sort of general
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: sports curiosity of Europeans like the same as when people
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: want to watch a rugby game over here, because wow,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: that's just a different game. I don't know much about it.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: When people want to watch a cricket showcase over here,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: I don't really know much about this, So I'd like
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: to go though. I like sports, I like sporting events.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Or you're like, I got nothing to do today, let
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: me go watch a volleyball game or something. That's what
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: you're Basketball has become an international sport. Basketball has has
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: been taken out of the US and Canada in a
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: way that I never thought would be possible. The best
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: players in the world now half of them are coming
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: from overseas. More than half of them are coming from
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: overseas in a lot of people's minds, so this is
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: this is going to be a secondary NBA league. The
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: reason I am so excited about the possibility of it
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: that they can get over the competition with the European
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: clubs already is the pipeline of European talent to the
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: NBA is already pretty slick. Would this be a situation
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: where we could get promotion and relegation if they're all
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: owned by the NBA. This is this could be the
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: experimental league that they've always tried to have with the
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: G League, but they could experiment more with European style
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: world soccer style rules and formats. Absolutely, Like if the
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: Chicago Bulls are going to continue to stink but the
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: Paris Eiffel tal Or suddenly win their league, could we
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: swap them out?
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: Could they move move the Parisian team to Chicago?
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: Could we move the Eiffel Tower to Chicago.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: If we just need grow to shrink it for us,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: and we could absolutely do.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know. This is it's really interesting, and the
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: NBA is they are They're going to be able to
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: gobble up space in other countries in a way that
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: the NFL just simply cannot. Now, the NFL has one
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: advantage of having an overseas franchise potentially that the NBA doesn't.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: You only have to play a game a week in
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: the NFL, right, so you can actually make it make
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: sense scheduling wise. I don't know how you fit a
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Parisian team in the NBA, or a London team in
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: the NBA or a Stockholm team in the NBA into
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: an already demanding travel schedule for NBA team.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and you'd have to the way that it would
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: have to be done just right now, spitballing ocs. You'd
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: have to have a group of teams that just stay
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: in Europe for like a month and a half and
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: they do the barn storm, they play that segment of
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: their regular season in that in that in that four
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: to six weeks, right, and then they fly back home
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: and then the next batch of teams go to Europe
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: or vice versa like that. That and that would be,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: needless to say, very complex.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: But it sounds like a year from now where you're
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  Speaker 1: in a couple of months from now, we're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: an NBA europe League, and we're gonna have a a
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: European league that is owned by operated by attached to
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: the NBA instead of you're a league basketball you're going
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: to get and if I promise you this, if it's
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  Speaker 1: successful in Europe, it's not gonna stop in Europe. The
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  Speaker 1: NBA is never going to beat the NFL on domestic
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  Speaker 1: soil here, but the NBA could from a global perspective,
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  Speaker 1: if they expand like this, they could take over the
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  Speaker 1: entire planet the way that NFL. I don't think ever
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  Speaker 1: we'll be able to. Yeah, the NBA has the best
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  Speaker 1: upside to have compete with soccer is too strong a word,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: but to be soccer light around the world as as like, Okay, everyone,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: everyone in Europe, everyone in Africa loves soccer, knows the
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: best soccer players in the world. Uh, just any yet,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: ask any of them, they probably name the best soccer players,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: some of them we haven't even heard of. Right before
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: this World Cup, of course.
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  Speaker 4: And.
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  Speaker 1: The next the next team sport that they might be
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  Speaker 1: able to do that if this is a success, would
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  Speaker 1: be would be NBA. If they're able to make this success.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: I've actually years ago I was like, how cool would
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  Speaker 1: it be to have and I didn't I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: much about the Champions League in various parts of the
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  Speaker 1: world for soccer, so I didn't know it was basically
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: the Champions League format. But I was thinking, what how
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: cool would it be to have like a World Cup
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: with like club teams around the world every However, many
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: years in basketball, there's enough international talent to do that,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: and this is a long time ago now, I was
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: thinking that even more international talent now makes the idea
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: even more viable. If that that could be something that
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: if this NBA Europe is a success, they could they
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: could parlay something into have a World Champions League.
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  Speaker 2: Type tournament down the road. If not, like you said,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: these teams just getting corporated in the NBA, I wouldn't.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: I don't think I'd love that so much. But doing
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: something else where the best teams in the best NBA
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: teams in America played the best NBA teams in Europe
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  Speaker 2: and see who see who comes out on top, that
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: might be fun.
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  Speaker 1: The NBA. Also we talk about the grassroots kind of
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: nature of soccer and how it's not effective in the
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  Speaker 1: United States. We're not doing it right in the United States.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: The NFL is they're scouting talent now in far flung
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: regions of the world. Right, the NFL now sponsors events
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: in Polynesia, in Australia, in Africa, the NBA has been
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: doing that. There's an NBA Africa League, right. They've got
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: a facility down there and it's designed for you know,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: the parent product to be able to poach talent from
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: these far flung regions. Right. One thing that the NBA
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: could do, and it'd be a grand project and it'd
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: be something that would take years, but they could absolutely
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: afford to do it. And I think it would serve many, many,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: many interests if they did do it. The reason why
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: soccer is so popular and ubiquitous around the world is
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: we've talked about this, and I'm not giving you something
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: you don't know. All it takes is a flat surface, right,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: and anything that you can put two of down and
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: say between that, that is the goal. That is why
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: soccer is played by everybody, by billions and billions and
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: billions of people. Basketball is takes like one small step
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: above that to have a viable basketball playing surface. But
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: it's not huge. It's not a big leap.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: Basketball takes concrete and a couple of backboards. Now, the
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: call of doing that in the Philippines is low. The
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: cost of doing that in South Africa is low. The
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: cost of I lived in Zambia and they had one
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: basketball court in town. The surface, by the way, whoever
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: had put down the concrete, it was like the slickest,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: like half pipe style concrete. It was I don't know
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: why they finished it the way they finished it. It
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: was the smoothest, slipperiest concrete that has ever existed on
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: the planet. But it was two baskets on a regulation
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: sized outdoor court and it was played on every minute
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: the sun was up. There were no lights. So from
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: the early morning all the way until the sun went down,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: there was always somebody playing on this one basketball court
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: in town. And this town was it's in a sort
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: of agrarian air, but it's like the overall population base
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: surrounding it is like twenty thousand people and this town,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: like all twenty thousand people at some point shot a
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: basket on those hoops. Now, the NBA that that to
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: put that thing in was probably ten grand, Right, the
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: NBA could do that ten thousand times over wherever they
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: wanted to. They get it interesting.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: They could spend a little bit more on the on
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: the actual surface of the court to make to make
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: it you know, like or you know what, just leave
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: the same Yeah, Like I just say that, you say
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: ten grand, that's for like the dirt cheapest, just.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: Basic. Let's just put concrete down. And honestly, I'm probably
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: way overshooting it. I'm probably because maybe yeah, those build
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: those building materials in some of those places, it's like,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: you know, it's dirt cheap. Yeah, So the NBA's attempt
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: to globil eyes really there's a lot of meat on
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: the bone there is the point I'm getting at so
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: much so at the top, they're having these meetings in
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: the luxury suites at World Cup games and saying, hey,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: you flew all the way over here to watch your
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: Spanish boys win and to watch killing nimbape try to advance.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: Would you be interested in having an NBA franchise in France?
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: And of course all of these big money folks are like, ooh,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: because professional sport right now, the valuations on professional sport
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: have just climbed and climbed and climbed and climbed, even
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: the fringe products. So this might be the new frontier
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: for the NBA and they're using the World Cup to
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: accelerate it. Fascinating how all that works. Got to take
• 1:23:50
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  Speaker 1: Hundred ninety two to one a f am. We are
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  Speaker 1: seven minutes into England Argentina and it has already got
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: real spicy between these two squads. England, by the way,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: much taller than the Argentine side. I don't know why
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: I didn't have that on my bingo card, but there's
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: just physically a lot bigger. We also have a Leo
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: Messi trash talking exchange face that is going to be
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: memed aggressively if Argentina ends up winning this thing. So
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: far scoreless, nil nil, seven and a half minutes in
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: now and they're literally tackling one another. It's wonderful. Jeff
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: Schwartz is kind enough to stop by to talk all
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: things with about the upcoming football seasons college and pro. Jeff,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: how are you?
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  Speaker 4: I am good. I watching a lot of soccer, as
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: we all are. I'm also watching the match, not the game,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: the match. I gotta say that some of these, like
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: the penalty yesterday, was felt very punitive for what actually
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: occurred on the play. I feel like soccer has some
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: very rigid rules on and place. Maybe that's for player safety,
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  Speaker 4: but I mean I get why it was a foul
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  Speaker 4: a penalty, but like the guy wasn't gonna make the shot,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: like if he missed the ball and he got kicked
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: after missing the ball. I don't know how that equates
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: to like a eighty five percent goal shot that their
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: team gets.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's because it happens because of where it happened
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  Speaker 1: on the field.
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  Speaker 4: I get what. I know it was. I know it
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: was in the box. I get that. But he wasn't
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: making the goal. He wasn't he missed. The guy who
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: went for the ball, I think, was you mean, mom,
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  Speaker 4: Jamal he missed the ball like the kick had no
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: had no play in him missing the ball. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: It feels like it's a very harsh penalties.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: I actually was. That's like one of the only penalties
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: where I thought that the player reaction to the impact
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: of the actual contact was was remotely appropriate because that
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: was like a real kick. Oh oh no, I'm sure
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: it hurts.
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  Speaker 4: I think that that's appropriate, But I just thought it's, like, wow,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: that's a pretty harsh punishment. My gambling partner, my podcast
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: partner as well, Chris Filica the Bear, he liked three
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: and a half over three and a f cards in
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: this game. I think we have zero so far, but
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: they might have ten at the way this game is
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: being played.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of I mean there's a lot
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: of upper body action going on it for a soccer game.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: Like everyone is everyone is grabbing, everyone is pulling, everyone
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: is swinging their arms about. I love this. This is
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: as much contact as you're going to see in a
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  Speaker 1: World Cup game. So England Argentina zero zero, almost ten
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  Speaker 1: minutes in. Now, Jeff, are you excited for Monster Energy
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  Speaker 1: Big twelve football season?
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: Is b Why you're going to have a caffeine free
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: patch on theirs? Caffeine Jean, Caffeine.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: Energy drinks are allowed, they are?
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, I didn't. I didn't know the rules, so
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 4: I was I was not quite sure. I cannot be
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: more excited for the Big Toll season the begin No,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: i'most there for football, and it was I did a
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: little bit of a SEC media day today filling in
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: in Charlotte. It was so nice just to like drive
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: to the to the UH to the media, then just
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  Speaker 4: come home afterwards.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm look at a football mood.
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  Speaker 5: Man.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like this soccer has gotten me excited for
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 4: football because we're all doing this together, right, We're all
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: watching the match together, just like we would watch football together.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 4: And I'm I'm ready for the season. I've seen some
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: comments from media day like Colorado's coaches seem very excited
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: for their team, which is good. The okroham just kind
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: of feeds you whatever I think you're into. I don't know,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of Colorado content.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: One of the I mean, I obviously get a lot
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: of Utah content fed by my algorithm, and you know,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: the the interesting thing for me here is that Morgan
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: Scalley is taking over as a first year head coach.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: But a lot of the expectations, including those in Vegas,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: are that the product is going to be pretty consistent
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: on the field, and I think Morgan Scalley is an
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: awesome coach and will be a great head coach. I'm
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: less certain that, you know, there's no hiccups in this process.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: And the win total set at eight and a half,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: which is fine given their schedule especially, I think that's
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: probably very realistic for Utah to even expect an over
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: on that. They're right up there with BYU, though, and
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: BYU has a lot more returning production, and I wanted
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on why while Boy has a little bit
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: tougher schedule, why those two teams are still considered on
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: the same plane despite a massive amount of turnover for
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: one school and hardly any for the other.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: Well, I think that odds makers just sort of set
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: seven and a half or eight and a half as
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: like the number for any team they think could be
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: good this season, right, like ten wins. If you go
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: like again, you go to nine and a half, Sean,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: ten's a lot of wins, man, a lot of wins.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a lot of wins. You tied a
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: ten wins season last year, so.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: Eight and a half that was including the bowl game though, right.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: Or not eleven with the bull.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: Okay, they only lost in the regular season to Tech
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: and to b YU. Yeah, the just a just so
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: people are awhere, like the the win totals only count
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: regular season. They don't counch conference championship games or bowl
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: or playoff games. I mean it feels about right. I
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: think that you know, by you benefited last year from
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: the schedule a little bit, right. We talked about that
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: all through their season, like how good are they are?
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: They really? Right? And they start a tough for schedule.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: I think Utah it's fair. The questions are just simply,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: you know, that's everything's new, right, everything's new with Utah,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: and that has people just questioning like whether they're gonna
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: be good or not this year, right, Sean? And then
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: that's fair. I know I've questioned that as well. When
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: you have everything new transition year from something you've known
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: for you know, twenty years to a complete unknown at
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: head coach, there are you know, there are new new
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: other pieces around the roster, Like I love Jordan Gross
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: these good friend of mine, but it's just first, this
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: is his first job in the powerful level, Like, I
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 4: think it's all going to take time to sort of
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: see what Utah is going to be, right. I think
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: that's a fair assessment. The talent is there, but I
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: think it's fair to say that I just I don't
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: know what they're gonna be. And for b YU again
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: it's there. They're just playing a much better tougher schedule
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: this season.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: B Yu. They to me it feels like the odds
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: makers just lop to win off the top because they're
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: playing Notre Dame in the middle of the season.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: Is that a fair assessment? Yeah, I would imagine. So
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: I know people look at the Nerdame game and think like,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: this is the one chance Nodame has to lose outside
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 4: of Miami. It's like, I think that's gonna be a
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 4: game where I'm curious what the odds are going to
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: be for that game, because obviously BYU, you know, is
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 4: uh probably too touchdown underdog in that game at home,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: maybe ten points. I'm curious what that number ends up
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: being when they get there. I think people look at
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: their name schedule and sort of you know, Miami game
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: at home, that's a that's a toss up, and then
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 4: people look at it, Oh, b Yu, maybe that's the
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 4: team that could be Nerredame.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see how that one plays out. I had
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: a guest on yesterday who looked at the Utah ski
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: with me and was like, yeah, we might not know
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: what Utah is really until Houston in like week eight.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: And I was chuckling about it because when you look
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: at the schedule and you see kind of how things
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: line up that might be accurate, and you know that
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: that is a reason for optimism obviously that you get
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: a softer, more friendly schedule at the very beginning of
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: the year to try to figure out these growing pains.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: Like you said, we don't know exactly what everything's going
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: to look like. When you go back to all your
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: years in football, I mean, how much different is the
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: chemistry on an offensive line from week one to week six,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: if assuming the same guys are all healthy and stuff like,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: how much different is the level of play from that
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: particular unit from the beginning of the year to mid season.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: Well, it's huge, of course it is, right. It's why
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: we see teams improve throughout the season as they get
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: more opportunity to be with each other and do things
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 4: with each other. Look, you have to sort of see
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: every situation before you get comfortable in it as a group, right,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 4: So like week one, you might have a play called,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: a protection called, and you see a certain look on
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: the defense, right, you might not see that same look
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: again for four weeks with the same play, right, and
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: then you're like, oh, we saw this, remember what we saw?
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: And then it also takes time, sean to figure out
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: what offense you want to be and that that plays
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 4: a role in So I remember this very big. It's
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: a fun story, like the tells. It kind of sets
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 4: up what I believe when it takes a new office.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: I've always believed offense is taking about eight to ten
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 4: twelve weeks in the NFL cuar for NFL to get
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 4: going with a new coordinator. I'll give you an example
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 4: from my playing days. We to buy after week nine
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 4: in Kansas City were actually nine and zero where Andy
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: Reid first year in Kansas City and our coach, Andy Heck,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 4: who's still their offensive line coach, Andy Heck, he loved
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 4: power right, he called a god's play love power, all right.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: We have a shirt I think, like like called take
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 4: the Bull by the Horns. That's like you think that
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: was like a sting and like I don't think you
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 4: put God, but it's like that's like you know, like
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: that's like a you know, take the ball by the
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 4: horns God to play. It's power, like you love power, right.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: Power is like a strong double team point of attack.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: Guard pulls typically a full back or tied in kicks
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: out like you can even had a third guy power
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: rap right, like a third guy in there, just a
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: big old like you know, we're gonna beat you down.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 4: So after nine weeks, we get into a team meeting
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: to go over our efficiency numbers. Thirteen percent efficient running
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 4: power up to that point this season, and we were
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: like fifty percent efficient outside zone. So coach said, all right,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: no more power, We're run outside zone instead. Wow. Right, Like,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: So I give any Reid credit for that and Andy
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: heck for that, because offensive line coaches do most of
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: the run game. But it tells you like that took
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: nine weeks to figure out we were running a pretty
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: inefficient run a lot because coach liked it. So the
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: same can apply here. Right. You decide you want to
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: run a certain type of offense and you realize halfway
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: through season that doesn't really feel what we do, or
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: maybe you try seventy eight nine things on offense and
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: you have to sort of piece them together for the
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: first six weeks and you figure out, okay, we're going
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: to do this. So my whole point in saying this
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: is that it just takes time sometimes, right, Sean. So
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: that's why I think there's a skepticism with Utah just
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: you don't know what you're gonna be with a new
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: coaching staff and new players and all around new offensive
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 4: line right at least that the key pieces are leaving
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: it tackle, So it just takes time. It takes time, coach,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 4: don't figure out eventually, but yeah you might. It might
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 4: take the week eight till you hit your shride.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of excitement over something we saw integrated
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: in spring football, these rhino packages where you've got effectively,
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: you know, a offensive line or defensive lineman sized fullback
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: in the game as an offensive lineman. Do you like
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: those plays?
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: Who's a quarterback? Is this like a gimmick quarterback thing? Too?
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: Well? Both the quarterback are pretty interchangeable, so I think
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: that No, I think one of your regular guys on there.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I love that all the time. I mean,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: you know how I feel about like those quarterback runs,
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: like teams do all the time. I just part of
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: a good offense, right is having multiplicity, and so having
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: a couple of these plays is really good, right, because
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: you want to give the defense a lot to think
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 4: about it, a lot to one point, a lot to practice.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 4: Sometimes coaches just roll out plays just to mess with
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 4: the defense for next week, right, and the week after
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: just to put something on film. They have to practice
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 4: extra five to ten minutes at practice, right and align
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 4: properly to this, especially in college with all the unbalanced formations.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 4: You can really spend a lot of time on defense
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: trying to fit these different things. And so if you
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 4: do it like as a change up, as as something
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 4: you know you do every now and then, yeah great.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 4: But the thing with those formations, there's only a certain
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: number of plays and run right power right, we're talking
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: about power right power maybe counter maybe outside zone. There's
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: a couple you know, you're a couple of play action passes,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: move the pocket, like there's just like ten plays. That's it.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 4: Do you have it to know the ten places too? Sean?
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: So I think that I like that. I like the
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: mentality of like war, going to try to beat up
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 4: our opponent. And there's certainly a time and a place
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: for these type of formations, but it's got to be
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: in the moderation, right. It can't be end up being
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: like I know again, people love like bring in the
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: Rhino package. I remember as a player I loved it too,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 4: but just sometimes right it could be a good change up,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: it just can't be run a good amount. You know.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: You remember remember back Oregon State, who was the linebacker
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: they had playing? Who the running quarterback? Remember you come
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 4: in and like it was a linebacker come in and
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 4: run from months fourth and two all the time and
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 4: to the back half of the season, and it just
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 4: wasn't as good anymore. I remember they played Organ. Organ
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 4: stuffed them a couple of times. It's like four plays
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 4: you could run like good teams figure it out. So
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: I think it's fun in doses, but you just can't
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 4: make it a staple of a situation.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: I forget who was it that they were using.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 4: It was a tight end, wasn't it. It must have
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 4: been a tight end. It must it was.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: He was, You're right, he was. He was a linebacker
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: that they would bring over to play on the offense.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: He would run like wildcat packages.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it just it just ran power all the time,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: and eventually Organ just ran a linebacker through the backside
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 4: B gap and the play was done. It was like that,
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 4: you know, in the same part of the time, Like
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: the good teams are gonna figure it out. It's not
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 4: ingenius to figure it out. You have to figure out
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 4: and then you have to execute it right. So some
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 4: teams can't execute it once they figure it out. But
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 4: against the better teams, like I'm like Utah's gonna play
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 4: Texas Tech, I'm not sure. I love the rhinout package.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: Utah's playing, you know, North South Tech State. It was great.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 4: It's awesome, you know what I mean, Like, I just
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 4: think that against the better teams that those things don't
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 4: work as well. Jack Coletto is there there we go.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, you can always cut on Jeff to bring
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: up obscure references, but it's a very specific memory for football.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: You've got there, pal, I love it.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 4: I do have that. And and trips my friends don't
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: go on as I remember those pretty well.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: I was gonna save that to the end.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 4: It's fine.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: Jeff's fortieth birthday was this weekend. I was fortunate enough
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: to be on the short list of invites. My plan
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: was to fly Sunday morning, leave here Salt Lake City,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: go to the party, fly back. I was going to
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: be gone from like eight am to eight pm on
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: a Sunday, all right. I got clearance from the wife. Yes,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: you never see Jeff go. I'm like, perfect, this is great.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: I get to the and by the way, the party
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: was starting at one thirty pm Jeff's time, So like
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: I'm landing at one pm and I have half an
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: hour to get there and then I'm flying back again.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: It's a small window of opportunity. I had people all right,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: I get to the airport, it's a beautiful, hot day
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: in Salt Lake City. I'm just like, there's not gonna
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: be any issues here. And I get to the airport
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: and they're just like, oh, yeah, there was a cancelation,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: so our inbound flight is changed, and that means that
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: you're now going to take off. Instead of taking off
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: at like eight am Salt Lake time, you're gonna take
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: off at ten thirty and you're gonna get there at
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: three thirty. And I'm like, well, the party's gonna be
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: over by then.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: So I unfortunately had to text chef's wife, who organized
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: this whole thing, who all of us are very terrified of.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm really sorry. I was all my plans
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: have been foiled here, and she was very nice about it,
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: much to my relief, And then I felt that was
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: okay to text Jeff and say, hey, sorry, I can't
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: make it.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: You weren't the only person who was like I'm scared
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 4: of telling your wife wasn't gonna make it. I think you,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 4: Dan Lynch, another body in mine were like, I just
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: just I hope Maric doesn't doesn't hate me.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: Well, I was. I was worried because I'm gonna see
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: Jeff in Charlotte and I'm gonna see his wife, and
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, I don't want her to come in
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: hot and like stab me or something. Because it's birthday.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: She's delaying like a day. I think we're delaying a
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: day of going to the beach to go.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: She said that, yeah, yeah, she also told me that
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: as you told me. She told me that she has
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: her outfit picked out already for the fights.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: I don't. I don't get her, but that's sure. I'm
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 4: so excited for it. She's like, has this outfit picked out?
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, it's like the PFL. It's not
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 4: like you know, it's it's and she's can't She's so like, dude, VI,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: we got VIP last time. Are your friends coming again?
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 4: Because your friends were very helpful to learning about the
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 4: fight world.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: No I invited them. They said they don't want to
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: have to sit by you again.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 4: So I don't know who they. I forget their names.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: I'm bad with names, but like, they were very nice
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 4: people and they were very helpful to their listener. Now, thank
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 4: you very much, I appreciate your help. I learned a
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 4: lot about about UFC. They would have helped me with
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 4: Connor McGregor's knee. Yeah, how disappointed was. I was at
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 4: a cigar lounge on Saturday night in Dallas and we
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 4: were like kind of just hanging out and talking and
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: everyone someone's like, oh, oh, oh, the fight's on. Put
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: it on, And I looked at my phone. I was like, no,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 4: it's actually already over. Don't worry about it.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: It's terrible. It was terrible. It was, and it's wild
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: because like it was five years coming, like like a
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: five year layoff for him and at least a year
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: for some people, much longer, but at least a year
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: of anticipation for a lot of fans that thought like
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: he actually might get back to it. And it lasted
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: sixty nine seconds. It's a It's an unforgiving sport.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 4: Do you think he was hurt before the fight?
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: I I think that there was something. I don't think
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: it was like fully blown out before the fight, but
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: I think there was obviously something wrong with it before
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: the fight. It was weakend, it was compromised in some way,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: you know the way that he was walking in the
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: warm up kind of situation. So but you know, during
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: the actual footage of him hitting pads backstage, he was
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: throwing that kick and he was landing on that foot
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: and it seemed like he had it figured out. So
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: who knows, man, I don't think we're ever going to
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: get a clear answer because if he ever even indicates, hey,
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: I was you know, I was messed up going in,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: there's gonna be lawsuits and all the crazy stuff because
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: the betting, like the sports books just cleaned up in
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: that one, because it like seventy five percent of the
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: bets came in on him fight day.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was I don't know why you would
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: wager on him.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: That seems just so silly, But yeah, it seems really dumb.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: Anyone in the fight world could have told you don't
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: do that, but a lot of people were doing it. JEFS.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: Schwartz is our guest here talking really whatever we want,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: because that's how we do things. Twenty six minutes in England,
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: Argentina is still zero zero, should we You mentioned Texas
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: Tech earlier, and obviously there was a lot of conversation
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: about them, I think twelve media days last week, and
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: you know they're over under in one sports book I've seen,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: it's eleven and a half. Others are ten and half.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: And they lost a lot last year. I mean they
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: lost a lot. They lost a lot this offseason, and
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: they're projected starter and Brendan Soresby with that whole thing,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: and still people look at Texas Tech and that's supposed
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: to be the class of the conference. Now I'm torn
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: on this, Jeff, because yes, obviously their resources have helped
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: them with an incredible roster, and their coaching staff I
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: think has done a great job, or at least they
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: did a great job last year of getting kind of
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: mercenaries all on the same page and they looked like
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: a great team. This is not a blue blood who
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: every single year, you know, finds a way to win
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: no matter what. We've had one year of great success
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: for Texas Tech football and now everyone's just like, Yep,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: it's going to be this way every year. And I'm
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: not fully convinced of that yet. Where do you stand
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: on it?
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: I think you're right, Sehan Like, they lost the second
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 4: pick in the draft, David Bailey, they lost real height, right,
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 4: no height, They lost Lee Hunter, Like, they lost three
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 4: legitimate NFL defensive linemen. Do they replace it with three
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 4: NFL defensive linemen? Again?
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: Well, they lost. They think they've got a couple at least.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 4: They lost Jacko Rodriguez, who I bet on to win
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 4: Rookie of the Year for the Dolphins. Who if you
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 4: watch that defense last year, like just incredible, incredible play, Like,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: oh oh man, I replace those guys, especially your point,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 4: like not a pipeline of young players to fill those
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 4: roles that are as good right now? Uh, I'd be
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: hesitant to crown them like a playoff team. Again, is
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: Will Hammond even? Is he healthy yet? Too?
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: Well? They they're they're painting a positive picture now, And
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: I wonder how much of that is Like the people
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: here in Salt Lake City are very gun shy about
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: being like, oh, surgically repaired knee in your in your
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: quarterback coming back week one, ready to go. Yeah, we're
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: pretty we're pretty reluctant to assume that's going to be,
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: you know, perfect for any team. And I wonder how
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: much of that messaging for Texas Tech is just you know,
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: smoke signals, like we don't want to let people know
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: that we might not have him till week four. But
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's the gamesmanship coaches play. Let's say they
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: get him in week four. I mean they should be
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: three and zero without him. Yeah, they get to week four,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: but you know they have a relatively friendly schedule as well.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: I just am I'm not yet convinced, Like we don't
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: have this track record. The coaching staff doesn't have a
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: great track record, the university doesn't have a great track
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: record of continued sustained success. And we're all prisoners of
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: these moments. And that's fine, But I'm not quite as
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: high on them as everyone else's.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 4: I think it's fair of sub senses because they haven't
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: proven a year over year, or they had one year
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 4: last year, and they lose a lot of that talent
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 4: about that defense, which was their call and coach. I
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 4: think it's it's fair to be skeptical about Texas Tech.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 4: I I feel the same way. I kind of want
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 4: to see what it looks like with different pieces on defense.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: What about nationally? Should we also assume, Hey, Indiana's going
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: to be a top team again, Miami's gonna be a
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: top team again.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Miami's better quarterback. They lose some defensive lineman, lose
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: an offensive lineman, in the first round. But they've recruited
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 4: so well. This is why high school recruiting is so important, right,
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 4: because they're gonna lose these guys, they just replace them
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 4: with other blue chip type talent. Right. They might not
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 4: be as good immediately, but they have guys they feel colorable.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: Dari Mens is incredible, and Tony and Fletcher's back at
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 4: running back. I think Indiana won't be as good. I
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 4: was talking with a buddy about this past weekend at
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 4: mastermized like, they just you make your own breaks, you do.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 4: But they everything went their way last year, right, It's
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 4: just not gonna happen in the same way probably this season.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't know if they're as good as
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 4: a team. They lost a lot of those veteran players
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: that know Signetti very well from the GMU days, and
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 4: so you know they're gonna have the same, you know, talent.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but I think Miami is is a
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 4: playoff team certainly. I think Indiana probably is a playoff
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 4: team with twelve teams. I think the other name is
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 4: really good. I mean Oregon's good. Any Texas is good.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 4: I think I think those are sort of the Ohio
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 4: State it's gonna be good. So the top of of
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 4: the of the country with with the players and.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: Talents five years of eligibility to play five years. Yeah,
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: and I'll be already players that expired this last season,
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: this last academic year are saying, oh, well, give me
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: another year. Then if we're gonna adopt this, let's do this, Like.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's but you have to have like
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  Speaker 4: start somewhere, like you can't just this. Think about like
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  Speaker 4: when people like rapro actively want to give like awards
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  Speaker 4: or like I just sorry, you just have your out
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  Speaker 4: of luck. I don't know. Let's tell you, man, you
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: get something from me who blew my red shirt to
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 4: play eighty snaps like I it's a fortunate but what
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 4: does everyone get to continue to play? And we just
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 4: go back and dog an extra year?
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: Now, short's get an extra year of the rules change,
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  Speaker 1: Like this is what the rule is.
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  Speaker 4: Now you have to accept it. Sorry, you kind of
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  Speaker 4: got screwed. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think I do think that that's like
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  Speaker 1: the only way to solve it. But you know, the lawyer.
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  Speaker 4: Callous like me in charge or Meredith a marathon charge.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody somebody who just has no emotional context to any decision.
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  Speaker 1: Is the right person. It's there's like AI that's cold
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  Speaker 1: and calculating, and then one slight level above that is you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why my wife's even worse. They called it
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  Speaker 4: called the terminator at work. She's like, it just fires.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone's bring her so correct collegeootball pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 1: It's perfect on the NFL front. More more smoke around
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: the Aaron Donald coming out of retirement situation. Apparently discussions
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: about how many games he would have to play. Uh,
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: this is happening, right, We're getting Aaron Donald.
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  Speaker 4: I said this, I said this when When the when? When?
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  Speaker 4: Miles garrett I tweeted out, like, Donald's coming back for sure.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 4: How do you know, Schwartz, I just know football man. Yeah, dude,
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  Speaker 4: dude's gonna dude probably can't wait to come back. He's
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 4: he can come back a week eight. He'll probably come
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 4: back soon in that but he's with Miles garrett I. Actually,
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 4: here's a good experiment for you. Just if you have
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 4: free time, you want to do this. When is the
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  Speaker 4: last defensive line to have two Hall of Famers starting
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 4: on the at the same time together, like high impact,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 4: like not like t J. Watt and Cam Hayward, which
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I Cam here's a Hall of Famer, but TJ.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 4: Watt should be. But like there's like never, like almost
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 4: never since like the the you know, Purple Eaters, like
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: they did, maybe some old Steelers teams like this. It's
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 4: just not it's not. The NFL is very rarely do
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  Speaker 4: have two Hall of Fame pass rushers on the same
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  Speaker 4: team at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: So you're an offensive line coach or an offensive lineman
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  Speaker 1: who has got to scheme up. Good, look how you
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  Speaker 1: block that front?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you go empty and you throw the ball as
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  Speaker 4: soon as you can. Okay, what you do? You the choice,
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 4: that's your choice. You to throw the ball as soon
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 4: as possible. The team and the Rams know that too.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, it's not like that, like given state
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  Speaker 4: secrets away like that. That's what I would do. I
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 4: just go five wide and just design office to spread
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  Speaker 4: everyone out and hope you get the ball out quickly.
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  Speaker 1: Does Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis count for two Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Famers?
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  Speaker 4: I don't think Mathos could be a Hall of Famer though,
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 4: is he?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: You tell me that that's probably the closest one that
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  Speaker 4: we have. I don't know if Mathis will make the
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  Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. Probably not. He only made one All
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 4: Pro team guys one hundred and twenty three sacks. Jeez,
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 4: maybe he will.
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  Speaker 1: Not for pass rushing purposes. But is is hello Ty
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  Speaker 1: going to be a Hall of the NFL?
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  Speaker 4: No, I don't think so. I actually discussion with my
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: day my college dreammate was played with defense line of
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 4: Oregon was you know with me in Dallas, and it
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 4: was a debate about Helodias. He just didn't have the stats.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 4: I know it's that's maybe too simple, but he just
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 4: didn't you know, he didn't rush the pastor like that
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 4: wasn't what he did in Baltimore. Wasn't his job. And
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 4: so when you don't have that as your job, it's
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: hard just to make. I don't think we have one
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  Speaker 4: defensive tackle who's like a run stuffer as a as
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  Speaker 4: a Hall of Fame. I'm sure we do. Someone will
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  Speaker 4: pull up.
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  Speaker 9: Bay nineteen fifty three we had well like I don't
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  Speaker 9: care like it just now yea here those yeah sugs
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  Speaker 9: and yeah he would be Yeah. I don't think Holoda's
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 9: gonna be Hall of Famer though, I mean you've mentioned
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 9: really good defensive lines. They just don't sure, you know,
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 9: like all that Smith and Justin Smith, I think neither
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 9: making the Hall of Fame like.
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  Speaker 4: They were together. They were like an incredible group of
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 4: pass rushers. I mean there's teams that have had good
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 4: pass rushers like Jared Allen and Kevin Williams with the Vikings,
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 4: like teams have done it, but two Hall of famers
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  Speaker 4: at this caliber, not in modern history.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you don't you know, you don't have to
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: sell me on it. It is going to be like
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: appointment television every time. I'm very curious to see how
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: other teams attacking it. I think your answer is probably
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: the right one, where you're just like get rid of
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  Speaker 1: the ball. Now you just have to go. You have
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: to be really really quick.
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  Speaker 4: Oh MESSI is good, dude, it's soccer.
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  Speaker 1: Uh breaking news. Jeff Schwartz on ESPN seven hundred messy
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  Speaker 1: good at soccer. He he just broke broke the news.
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  Speaker 1: All right, first yellow of the game. Here we go
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  Speaker 1: getting tossed from this game. I have a feeling, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna this is the kind of soccer. I need
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: to keep me engaged, all right, this, This is what
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: I want. Like, yep, push each other. Somebody throw a punch,
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: let's go.
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  Speaker 7: Now.
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  Speaker 1: My question is if England goes hard at messy in
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: like a dirty way, does Argentina have an enforcer to retaliate?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Someone probably do you though?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like cause soccer don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know they're players.
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  Speaker 1: That's neither do I, Jeff. That's why.
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  Speaker 4: Well, here's here's why. Here's why you can't because you
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 4: can't afford a red card, like you can afford a
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 4: player to foul out or technical foul. If you're like
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 4: a backup on a basketball team, you can't get a
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 4: red card because then you're out the player, right, You're
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 4: out to player for the rest of the game.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: So I would say, no, yeah, you're probably right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, I got a phone call buddy.
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  Speaker 1: All right, dude, thanks for jumping on. Appreciate you. By
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: Jeff Schwartz. He's a football expert, former NFL player, breaking news.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Schwartz doesn't know every player on Argentine.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, how could he not know them?
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  Speaker 5: All?
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  Speaker 2: He works for Fox, does he not? He's supposed to
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: know these things?
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  Speaker 1: Uh, free kick here on a foul it's way outside
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: the box here for Messi. Let's see what he do
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: with it. Thirty seven minutes in and the game is
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: still very physical, still very rough. These guys are someone's
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: hitting the deck about every five seconds here in this
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: Argentina England game. So just over the crossbar, just over
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: the crossbar, Argentina shot nearly on goal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's chippy and you love to see it. My
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: favorite play both of us smiled and chuckled at the
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: same time. Oh see, you did a good job of
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: quietly chuckling was when the English goalie went to grab
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: the ball because they called a foul or they called
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: off side or whatever it was on Argentina went and
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: the Argentine player picks it up and starts to run
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: with it to go argue with the ref and the
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: English keeper gives a shoulder shiver into the player and
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: grabs the ball from him, and the players like, what's
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: that about. It's like, dude, you you're holding onto the
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: ball unnecessarily, That's what that's about.
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  Speaker 1: point extra time being played by the way. The referees
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  Speaker 1: are sick of it right now. In England versus Argentina,
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  Speaker 1: a yellow cart apiece now for England and Argentina about
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  Speaker 1: two minutes apart. They were issued eleven fouls in the
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  Speaker 1: first half for Argentina, seven in the first half for England.
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  Speaker 1: Three minutes of stoppage time, which is I think the
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  Speaker 1: lowest I've seen so far in the World Cup. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the the hydration breaks was the hydration break was pretty short,
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  Speaker 1: so that must be all there accounting for here is
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  Speaker 1: we had. We had about a three minute hydration break,
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  Speaker 1: so that's all we got to make up here. I
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  Speaker 1: like it. The referee is just like, I'm sick of
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  Speaker 1: these guys. I don't I'm We're gonna send them in
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  Speaker 1: the halftime and it's still nil nil England Argentina playing
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  Speaker 1: an extra time of the first half here and only
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  Speaker 1: it'll be as good as our experience because I don't
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  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But the drone shows are pretty incredible.
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  Speaker 1: They've gotten they've gotten really good. Yeah, all right, to
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  Speaker 1: make sure we can get a decent amount of cross
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  Speaker 1: studio of all Right, we're officially at halftime of England
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  Speaker 1: versus Argentina, and so far this thing has lived up
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  Speaker 1: to the heated rivalry kind of a situation. We tried
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  Speaker 1: to give you some context of why these two nations
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  Speaker 1: have so much venom and vitriol toward one another on
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: the soccer pitch. And this one's been building for more
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  Speaker 1: than two decades since the last time they played each
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  Speaker 1: other in a high stakes match. It has been chippy,
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  Speaker 1: to say the least, and I, for one enjoy that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm here for it. Look at that watch party in
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: Buenos Aires. Holy cow. Fox has done a great job
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  Speaker 1: of bringing in like the local imagery of people in
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: the home countries watching what they see. Really good stuff
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: so far, even though it is scoreless. James, when when
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about a game like basketball, a game like
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: soccer baseball is kind of like it's kind of hard
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: to play dirty baseball unless the pitchers start throwing to people.
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  Speaker 1: But I like a chippy game, even if it makes
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: the play a little bit uglier, a little bit sloppier.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: I know that like a soccer peurist, a basketball peers
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: might not feel that way about it. How do you feel?
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  Speaker 1: Where do you? Where do you fall on that spectrum?
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: I like as far as basketball goes. I like the
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: chippiness more in a playoff game than I do in
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: a regular season game. But there's exceptions to that, like
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: late in the regular late in the season, this is
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: a potential finals or conference finals preview, maybe an NBA
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: Cup game, because we know how important the NBA Cup.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: It matters, It just matters more. Yeah that's the sec
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: Sorry say that tongue in cheek, but like you like
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  Speaker 1: you like those games in the regular season to be chippy.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: But yeah, a chippy game with some steaks to it,
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  Speaker 1: especially in any sport, fantastic. And I and I would
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: probably agree with your thought. There's there's messy with his
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  Speaker 1: meme face there like, oh yeah, sure, nod in his head.
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: That stuff. There's nothing better when there's a high stakes
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: game and you can just tell the teams both want
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: to win so badly that they don't care about being
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 2: nice to the to the other players, Like you are
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: wearing a different jersey, So I'm going to run over
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  Speaker 2: you in a way that the rules allow, and maybe
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: sometimes in a way that the rules don't allow. I'm
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  Speaker 2: I'm willing to take the card in soccer, I'm willing
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: to get the technical foul in in basketball, willing to
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: take the flagrant foul because I need to send a
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: message every once while, or I'm that frustrated because I
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 2: want to win this badly, I will applaud so far
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: the refereeing in this game, because it has been as
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: contact heavy, as chippy, as heated as we have seen
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: so far in the World Cup. And it wasn't until
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: the end of the first half that we got cards
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: coming out. And that's it's one apiece for England and
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: for Argentina. Now they're probably gonna have to worry a
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: little bit more about some of this because you don't
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: want to get your second yellow et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, they've kind of let kind of let
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: him play a little bit, and I like that.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: There's Bellingham apparently made a same kind of face Messi did.
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: We guess that part.
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: I'm really curious, And you know, Bellingham has been awesome,
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: Caine has been awesome for England, obviously, Leo Messi has
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: been just like otherworldly in this World Cup. His his
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: legend and his legacy are intact no matter what happens here.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: But if he could layer on top, because layer on
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: top of what he's already done, it would be really
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: fascinating because he hasn't he hasn't dominated England so far
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: in his career, which would just endear him even more
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: to the Argentine fan base, who if you were listening
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of the showy, they cannot stand England
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: going all the way back to the nineteen sixties and
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: heating up even more in the nineteen eighties, the hand
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: of God, goal, et cetera, et cetera, and even in
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: a geopolitical as you as you taught us aloc, Yeah,
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: a geopolitical standpoint, it's going back even longer than that
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: with the is the Falcon the Falkland Islands off of
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: Argentina that England decided those are ours, yes, and the
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: Argentine's are like, no, they're not. Well, my favorite party.
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: You know how we talk about this all the time.
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: Where when when you taught BYU were in the mount
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: West Conference, everybody in the Mountain West Conference hated BYU. Right,
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 1: Wyoming felt like BYU was their rival, Colorado State felt
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 1: like BYU was a rival. UNLV, New Mexico. All of
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: these teams were just like, oh, BYU and by You
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  Speaker 1: would come in and just be like, what are you
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: guys mad about? You're not our rival? Shut up. That's
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: how England treats this. It seems like not today, but
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: when reading the articles and watching some of the stuff
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  Speaker 1: on the rabbit hole. I went down last night, like
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: these Argentine players are talking about how you have to
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: beat England. England has done us a grave wrong, and
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 1: England was just like, no, you guys cheated in the
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: Hand of God game. You guys did the thing wrong.
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: And the Argentine players what about the Falkland Islands, And
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: the English are just like, yeah, what about the Falkland Islands?
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: We barely learned about that. Big time fan of England,
• 2:06:49
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you can tell by looking at me,
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 3: but we're all from England.
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 1: Everyone.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 3: My mom's got a little Scandinavian situation in the leashman background.
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 3: But all the check it's like, Jordan Pickford looks like
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 3: you could be my cousin. So yeah, when America, when
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 3: the United States are beaten inevitably, God save the Queen
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 3: three Lions, I'm back in Well. I mean, historically speaking,
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 3: it's the Queen and that's what you kind of go with,
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 3: even though currently it's the king. Yeah, it doesn't matter.
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 3: Historically speaking, this song is called God.
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: Save the Queen. All right. Were you already deeply aware
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: of the England versus Argentina before this matchup?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean mostly from the soccer standpoint.
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  Speaker 3: The geopolitical climate.
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  Speaker 4: You don't have.
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 1: You don't have to take one way or another. Who
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: should be the sovereign ruler of the Falkland Island Brits obviously.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no doubt Argentinians are racist divers.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: Dude three. They're three hundred miles away from Argentina and
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: eight thousand miles away from the UK.
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 3: So yeah, get a better army. Sorry, it's in your
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 3: backyard and you can't hold on to it. It's not
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 3: our problem.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's that is the colonialist mindset to a
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 1: tea and you know what I can't Yeah, sorry, I
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 1: can't dispute it.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 3: I mean you couldn't hold on us, right, fair?
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 1: So fair?
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 4: No?
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 3: I for so yeah, I mean maybe it's my ancestors,
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 3: but I've I've always If you're going to cheer for
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 3: the US men's national team, you have to have a
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 3: backup because we're never winning the thing.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have a backup? Well, my backup was
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: being right, being correct. Oh who did you pick? I
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: picked Frank ye, And so now that I'm not, I
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: guess my backup is kind of Argentina.
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 3: Well I may have placed a small friendly wager on Argentina.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, all.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 3: Right, I placed too small for aim to purposes only. Yeah,
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 3: of course one on Argentina, one on France two like
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 3: long shots, one on Morocco, one on the US. Oh
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 3: so Argentina is the only one left standing. All right,
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 3: So that part of me is like, come on, Messi.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 3: The fact of the matter is, you can't unlike, you
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 3: can't dislike Leo Messi, but the rest of the team
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 3: isn't very likable.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if Messi is all that likable.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's it's kind of like I don't
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 3: think Lebron's very likable. But you know, can you really
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 3: argue that he's the best, not the best player of
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 3: this generation.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: I think that's I think that there's something in me
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: that won't let me like the guy that everyone else likes.
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 3: Jordan, right, did you like Michael Jordan. No, you never
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 3: liked Michael Jordan.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: No, hated Michael Jordan.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 4: Well, that's right.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 3: You were a Knicks fan when you were a kid.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was a Knicks fan when I was a kid,
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: and then like it was like Nix and Jazz. So
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: it's like, you can't like Michael Jordan. Hated Michael Jordan.
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 3: What about Uh, let's see Peyton manny. Yeah, no, you
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 3: weren't a Peyton guy.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 4: No.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: Joe Montana now Joe Montana Niners guy.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's right, you are a Niners guy.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: Joe Montana is like, you know, when my grandmother was
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: indoctrinating me to be a Niners fan in my early childhood,
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: it was Joe Montana. So Derek Gan uh no, Yankees
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: in general.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 3: Careful what he is a deity.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 1: He's a biracial angel O guy.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 3: Derek Jeter is my all time favorite athlete, probably.
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: Really just because of his starting line up or what.
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 3: No, just he was like mister Yankee when the Yankees
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 3: were awesome during the nineties. When I started going to
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 3: Yankee games every year, then that was my team. Flex Yeah,
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 3: not a big deal for World Series, I think what
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 3: in five years not a big deal. Yeah, So no,
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 3: Like what about respect for Messi and Jordan.
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: No, a ton of a ton of like admiration for
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: who they are as competitors. Like being that level of
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 1: a of just like I will kill you on the
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: field of competition is really fascinating and messy, especially because
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: like he's half the size of some of the ease
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 1: eleague guys. You know what I mean, he's like on
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: that front and underdog. But once you get to this
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: level of just like godlike status in any sport, I
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: think there's just something about me that has to be like,
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: I gotta find someone else otherwise we're just going along
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: with the crowd.
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 4: Here.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 3: Who's the greatest MMA fighter of all time? John Jones?
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: And he's so unlikable so it makes it easy.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say, he doesn't do himself any favor.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like incredibly unlikable.
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Messi at thirty nine, I was That's why
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 3: I was asking you about McGregor. I always find it interesting,
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 3: like why are these dudes these dudes? First of all,
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 3: you have to be awesome, but McGregor has him been
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 3: awesome in a long time, but he still just moves
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 3: the needle for some reason.
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that, and you know, for a very
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: different reason than like Leo Messi, because Leo Messi says
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: nothing right and just goes out and is brilliance on
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: display that even if you're not a soccer guy, you're
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: just like, whoa that? Why does he move differently than
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: everyone else? Why is his like vision that much better
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: than anyone else's. You don't really know, right McGregor. There's
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: like a theatrical element to it, and for him it
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: was he also delivered. He would say he was going
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: to do something and then he would do it, which
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 1: you're not supposed to be able to do in combat sports.
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: The last time we saw somebody do that was Muhammad Ali,
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: right or He would talk the talka then he would
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: walk the walk, and everyone who wanted to watch him
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 1: to see him lose just eventually came around to the
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 1: fact that he wasn't going to What was.
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 3: McGregor's like, okay, welcome to the Holy Smokes. He really
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 3: is that guy fight.
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, for me, like the Josea when he won
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: the title against jose Alda, who at the time was
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 1: a freak, was like the best in the way class
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: historically and maybe still goes down as the best featherweight
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: of all time for some people. And you know, it
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 1: was a dominant, dominant force and McGregor finally got the
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 1: opportunity and he told everyone, I'm going to knock him out.
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: And it was like you might beat him, but you're
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: not going to knock him out, you know, like he's like,
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: he's like nope, Like accuracy is what matters. I am accurate,
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: he is not. Watch what happens, and he knocked him
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: out in twelve seconds. It was a one punch knockout
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: against one of the best fighters ever and it was
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 1: just like, Okay, this guy's something.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it becomes undeniable and then the longevity piece,
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 3: I think is not like when when Messi signed to
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 3: play an MLS, everyone in the global soccer ecosystem was like, well, okay,
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 3: I guess that's it for him. Then he won a
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 3: World Cup and now you might go to another final.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 1: He has scored more goals after age thirty five in
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: the World Cup than he did before thirty five. That's wild.
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 1: In the World Cup and a sport like this where.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 3: They're running ten miles exactly, he is wild.
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 1: This is his sixth World Cup that he's playing in,
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: and his last two have been better than the first four.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's banana.
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 3: Did I hear you say on the way and you
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 3: were enjoying watching this first half? I guess I thought
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 3: it was brutaled. I love it. See no no flow
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 3: at all, exactly?
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 4: You like that?
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: You want that let him fall all over the place
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 1: and get mad at each other. I mean, if that's
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: all you're seeing for the entire tournament, no, but I
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: saw plenty of beautiful passing and movement yesterday between Spain
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: and France. I like, I want to see if either
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 1: of these nations in a game like this one can
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 1: actually come out and score a goal and win, or
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: if they're just going to tackle each other until it's
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 1: nil nil end.
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 3: I know you didn't have the sound on because you're
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 3: obviously doing a radio show, And of course, as you
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 3: outlined the backdrop to these countries hating each other, not
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 3: just the teams hating each other, but John Strong and
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 3: Stu Holden, We're like, yeah, we were this is what
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 3: we were expecting, Like, this is exactly what we thought.
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 3: You know, keep it in the back, maybe played direct
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 3: to get lucky on a long ball and we'll see
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 3: if it opens up in the second half. But I
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 3: wouldn't mind if they hit the two and a half goal.
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 1: Over Why why are you interested in that?
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 3: That was a really small percentage that they would and
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 3: so it just felt like it was it made sense
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 3: to maybe for entertainment purposes only got it? Just entertain
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 3: that option.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 1: I have got it all right. Stay tuned for the
• 2:15:02
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• 2:15:04
  Speaker 1: Sean O'Connell Show. We'll do it again tomorrow on ESPN
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