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The Late Debate | 23 October · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late Welcome to the Late Debase.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm cayleb Bond
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  Speaker 2: with Frail Leitch and James Willis. Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: The Brisbane Broncos pulled off an extraordinary comeback to win
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  Speaker 2: the NRL Grand Final this year. They were twelfth on
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  Speaker 2: the ladder halfway through the season and now they've.
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  Speaker 1: Revealed their secret to success.
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  Speaker 2: We'll tell you what it is soon and you can
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  Speaker 2: even try it at home.
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  Speaker 1: Chris Bowen, the.
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  Speaker 2: Great success that he is, won't release the advice they've
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  Speaker 2: received from bureaucrats about NED zero that's in Tomorrow's Australian.
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  Speaker 2: And the extraordinary story of how a couple of kids
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  Speaker 2: went full mcgiver and managed to crack their way out
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  Speaker 2: of a childcare center.
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  Speaker 1: That's later. But first let's start with the weather.
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  Speaker 2: I know traditionally you do that at the end of
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  Speaker 2: a news program, but I thought we'd start with the
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  Speaker 2: weather tonight because we have a forecast for a dodgy
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  Speaker 2: website from the Bureau of meeting Urology. You might have
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  Speaker 2: noticed if you went to check the weather overnight that
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  Speaker 2: the Bureau of Meteorology's website has changed now you might.
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  Speaker 1: Remember what it used to look like.
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  Speaker 2: And admittedly, the old website, which I think we can
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  Speaker 2: show you here, was.
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  Speaker 1: A bit old.
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  Speaker 2: It did look a bit old, but everyone knew how
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  Speaker 2: to use it and it worked. It had everything there
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  Speaker 2: that you needed. But no, the Bureau of Meteorology, which
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  Speaker 2: now no longer likes to be called the Bureau of Meteorology,
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  Speaker 2: please call us just the Bureau, thank you, which there's
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  Speaker 2: been millions of dollars transforming the name. They said, no,
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  Speaker 2: we've got to spend four million dollars more to transform
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  Speaker 2: our website, and now it looks like this. And people
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  Speaker 2: across the country are outraged at the state of the
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  Speaker 2: new bomb website. They say, you can't find anything on there.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't work properly. The data that used to be
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  Speaker 2: easy to find is now harder to find. People have
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  Speaker 2: been posting all over the internet saying what a dud
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  Speaker 2: this thing is. This is one person said on the
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  Speaker 2: face Book service, as I like to call it, Your
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  Speaker 2: new website is an absolute show. You know, WATCHO you
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  Speaker 2: read the emoji there. Putting in my default location brings
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  Speaker 2: up readings for an AWS that's a weather station sixty
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  Speaker 2: six kilometers away. Have tested with other locations with similar results.
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  Speaker 2: Searching for other information has become like a treasis treasure
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  Speaker 2: search very difficult. And you know what, I get that
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't the prettiest website in the world, and the
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  Speaker 2: Bureau probably thought, I will give the thing a bit
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  Speaker 2: of a facelift, will tarted.
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  Speaker 1: Up a little bit. But it worked.
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  Speaker 2: There was nothing wrong with it. If it ain't broke,
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  Speaker 2: don't fix it. Why do they have to spend four
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  Speaker 2: million dollars building a new website that you could probably
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  Speaker 2: do for about twenty dollars on a laine and anyway,
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  Speaker 2: and then no one likes it?
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  Speaker 1: I mean overwhelmingly the view seems to be to a dad.
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  Speaker 3: Well, look the four million dollar price tag for that
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  Speaker 3: is extreme. But to be honest, and I know this
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  Speaker 3: is going to be a very unpopular opinion, but I
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  Speaker 3: really don't see what's wrong with it. I went on
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  Speaker 3: earlier to prepare for this show, and it was clear.
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  Speaker 3: The fonts were easy to read, the colors looked good,
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  Speaker 3: it was modern, it was very clean. I had no
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  Speaker 3: issues navigating to the forecast for Sydney.
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  Speaker 4: You can scroll along and see the hour by hour.
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  Speaker 3: Someone said you couldn't find the wind or the rain,
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  Speaker 3: and it was all right there when I looked. So
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what people are talking about.
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  Speaker 4: The bomb. Hysteria is getting nuclear well.
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  Speaker 5: And the other thing is that the website, I think
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  Speaker 5: in the last twelve months has had about two almost
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  Speaker 5: three billion views, so it's a great performing website.
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  Speaker 1: You're right.
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  Speaker 5: If it's not broke, don't fix it. I had a
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  Speaker 5: look at the one today. I prefer the old site.
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  Speaker 5: My main issue is whether it is accurate or not,
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  Speaker 5: and it's actually giving us, you know, the forecast directly.
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  Speaker 5: Let's forget about twenty fifty, Let's forget about the end
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  Speaker 5: of the decade. I just want to know what is
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  Speaker 5: going to happen this weekend. Can I play golf? Can
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  Speaker 5: I go to the beach? Do I have to be inside?
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  Speaker 5: And I don't think we're quite there yet, and they're
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  Speaker 5: not really getting to where.
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  Speaker 1: They should be.
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  Speaker 5: To be honest, I can understand why people would be upset.
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  Speaker 5: I don't mind the new site. I preferred the old one.
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  Speaker 5: I think we should give the people the bomb a bit.
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  Speaker 1: Of a break.
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  Speaker 2: And there's also all sorts of other weather observations and
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  Speaker 2: things that you can get out.
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  Speaker 1: Of the bomb.
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  Speaker 2: And if you've been using the same website for twenty years,
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  Speaker 2: you know it like the back of your hand. I
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  Speaker 2: just don't get why, for the sake of being modern
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  Speaker 2: they have to come through and spend four million dollars
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  Speaker 2: on a new design. If the old one, however it looks,
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  Speaker 2: is functional, what real argument is there to spend public
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  Speaker 2: money on updating the look of the website. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know anyone who I've spoken to ever, really
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  Speaker 2: who When you've said what do you think of the bomb?
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  Speaker 2: The first thing they've said is geez, I don't like
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  Speaker 2: that outdated looking website. I wish they'd put something a
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  Speaker 2: bit fresher on there. They all say that four casts
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  Speaker 2: are way out of all the things that the Bomb
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  Speaker 2: should be spending money on and focusing on.
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  Speaker 1: It's not what their website.
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  Speaker 4: So I one hundred percent agree with that.
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  Speaker 3: But the first thing is, we don't know if the
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  Speaker 3: old website was working well, and I have a feeling,
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  Speaker 3: given it was probably built about fifteen or twenty years ago,
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  Speaker 3: it probably wasn't working very well. The government has to
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  Speaker 3: spend a lot of money keeping their services, you know,
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  Speaker 3: hacker proof, et cetera. So we don't know it was
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  Speaker 3: actually working well. And also it was objectively a terrible website.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I get you know, you've been using it,
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  Speaker 3: Caleb for recreational activities for twenty years.
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  Speaker 4: Is going on?
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  Speaker 1: It was going great, going greatly, there I go. Honestly,
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  Speaker 1: the people was called the Bureau at one stage as well.
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  Speaker 5: And by the way, this was formul in for the website,
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  Speaker 5: but the actual it spend from.
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  Speaker 1: The bomb or the Bureau as it.
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  Speaker 5: Was previously known, was eight hundred and eighty six million dollars,
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  Speaker 5: which included a cybersecurity update which apparently every department in
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  Speaker 5: Canberra urgently needs, plus a supercomputer.
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  Speaker 1: To save up.
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  Speaker 5: Meanwhile, in America, there is a major report in regards
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  Speaker 5: to climate which you may not have heard a lot
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  Speaker 5: about here in certain media publications, certainly not from anyone
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  Speaker 5: within the Albanezy government, but it is creating a lot
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  Speaker 5: of interest in the climate change debate.
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  Speaker 1: This has been.
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  Speaker 5: Released by the US Department of Energy and it's called
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  Speaker 5: a Critical Review.
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  Speaker 1: Of Impacts of greenhouse gas emissions on the US Climate. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the critical thing about this report is, by.
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  Speaker 5: No means is it disputing that climate change is occurring,
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  Speaker 5: but it does contest just how severe climate change is,
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  Speaker 5: just how extreme it is, and if you read it,
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  Speaker 5: you have to wonder some of the language that we've
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  Speaker 5: heard in the last month that we've discussed on this
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  Speaker 5: program in regards to catastrophic events, and you know, the
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  Speaker 5: idea that millions of people that live in coastal towns
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  Speaker 5: and decades ahead are going to be uninsurable and potentially underwater.
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  Speaker 5: This is a very common sense report and I think
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  Speaker 5: it's the kind of thing that we should be looking
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  Speaker 5: at instead.
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  Speaker 1: Ausraya has gone in the exact opposite.
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  Speaker 2: Direction, and good on Adam Crichton at the Australian, and
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  Speaker 2: of course he's the chief economist at the IPA now
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  Speaker 2: as well. There was an extract in the Australian today
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  Speaker 2: of a paper that he's written for the IPA Review
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  Speaker 2: which comes out next month, picking apart this report and
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  Speaker 2: comparing it to the IPCC, which is the uns into
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  Speaker 2: Governmental Panel on climate change. And it's written by genuine
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  Speaker 2: climate scientists. So you can't just say this is some
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  Speaker 2: lackey that Trump's gone to say, go and write a
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  Speaker 2: report that tells me what I wanted to say, there's
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  Speaker 2: a genuine climate scientist, and what they're questioning is the
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  Speaker 2: level of climate change that is caused by human being, right,
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  Speaker 2: and basically saying that, yes, there is human caused climate change.
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  Speaker 2: But in all the modeling that has been done over
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  Speaker 2: the last fifty to sixty odd years, there's been far
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  Speaker 2: more weight put on the human element than on the
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  Speaker 2: natural element, and no one's really taken the time to
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  Speaker 2: work out how much of an increase in temperatures in
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  Speaker 2: the world has just been a natural shift in temperatures.
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  Speaker 2: And when it comes to extreme weather, they found that
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  Speaker 2: in fact, almost every marker of extreme weather has decreased
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  Speaker 2: and the weather has become more consistent since the nineteen fifties.
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  Speaker 2: That there's been no statistically significant trend in hurricanes since
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  Speaker 2: nineteen twenty severe tornadoes, there's been a noticeable downward trend
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  Speaker 2: since the nineteen fifties. They've found heat waves and droughts.
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  Speaker 2: They found in the United States were at their worst
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  Speaker 2: in the nineteen thirties, but no one talks about that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the melting of polar ice caps stopped in
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and seven, and in fact, the polar ice
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  Speaker 2: caps have been expanding since then, So all the markers
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  Speaker 2: that you can look at show that things aren't as
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  Speaker 2: bad as we're often told they are, and perhaps the
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  Speaker 2: level of human caused climate change is vastly overstated.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the other thing the report looks at is
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  Speaker 3: the potential upsides from climate change, which infamously in the
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  Speaker 3: Senate Estimates Hearing a couple of months ago, Matt Canavan
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  Speaker 3: exposed how our government, in their whole modeling of climate change.
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  Speaker 4: Had not considered the positive benefits.
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  Speaker 3: And what they actually show is that the Earth has
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  Speaker 3: gotten greener over the last thirty years, Agricultural yields have
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  Speaker 3: improved because of increased CO two in the atmosphere, more
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  Speaker 3: land will become arable because of warmer temperatures. And so
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  Speaker 3: then you go, Okay, we know that humans are not
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  Speaker 3: the only contributor to climate change by any means. We
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  Speaker 3: know the US in this instance, but certainly Australia are
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  Speaker 3: only a small contributor to climate change, and we know
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  Speaker 3: there are plenty.
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  Speaker 4: Of upsides to it.
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  Speaker 3: So at what price are we willing to pay to
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  Speaker 3: try and bring down emissions or stop climate change? And
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  Speaker 3: this report basically concludes the US. And this is one
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  Speaker 3: example they gave they could remove all combustion engine vehicles
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  Speaker 3: from US roads and switch to evs tomorrow and it
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  Speaker 3: would only delay the impacts of climate change by about
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  Speaker 3: a year at tremendous costs.
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  Speaker 5: So it's crazy, and I think we need to remember
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  Speaker 5: if you go back to Australia and look at the
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  Speaker 5: report that we analyzed on this show a few weeks ago,
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  Speaker 5: where which has been cherry picked basically from a range
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  Speaker 5: of other reports and taking the most alarmist scenarios about
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  Speaker 5: insurance impacts on life, impacts on coastal towns and everything else.
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  Speaker 5: And you consider Australia's contribution, which is one percent, and
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  Speaker 5: then you consider the fact how much is this going
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  Speaker 5: to cost? We don't know, because the government has signed
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  Speaker 5: dozens of secret deals to build and basically go to
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  Speaker 5: million miles an hour to build wind, solar and batteries
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  Speaker 5: across the country. We have no idea how much this
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  Speaker 5: is going to cost. What we do know is it
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  Speaker 5: no matter what we do, it is not going to
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  Speaker 5: have any impact on the environment. Yet there are Australians, sadly,
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  Speaker 5: that do believe that, and Labor has been pushing that
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  Speaker 5: narrative very responsively.
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  Speaker 4: In my view, yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Well, something else that's hurtling our country in the wrong
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  Speaker 3: direction is.
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  Speaker 4: The lunacy on gender.
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  Speaker 3: A gender critical person came out to Australia. Her name
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  Speaker 3: was doctor Helen Joyce, and she was doing a tour
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  Speaker 3: of the country speaking about how far down the wrong
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  Speaker 3: track we've gone with the gender firm and care, putting
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  Speaker 3: kids on puby blockers, things like that. Well, this city
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  Speaker 3: of Melbourne canceled her events at one of their venues
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  Speaker 3: because they received so many threats from radical activists that
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  Speaker 3: they were concerned about the security, so she had to
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  Speaker 3: scramble to find a new venue. And she's now called
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  Speaker 3: out Victoria. She said, Victoria has some.
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  Speaker 4: Of the worst laws in the world.
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  Speaker 3: These are some of the most authoritarian, overreaching laws that
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  Speaker 3: I've ever seen anywhere. Makes it impossible for any medical professional,
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  Speaker 3: as well as teachers and pastors to speak honestly and
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  Speaker 3: compassionately about anybody's claim on gender as they fear losing
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  Speaker 3: their jobs, medical licenses, or facing prosecution under these vilification laws.
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  Speaker 3: Now she's talking here about the new hate speech laws
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  Speaker 3: that went through Victorian Parliament about April.
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  Speaker 4: Of this year. That mean if you villify a.
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  Speaker 3: Protected attribute of someone else, which could be their transgender status,
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  Speaker 3: and how do you interpret vilification. Well, that's up for debates.
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  Speaker 3: Then you could be facing up to five years in prison.
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  Speaker 3: And we are seeing medical professionals who question this orthodoxy
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  Speaker 3: get stripped of their licenses, teachers get reprimanded, and I
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  Speaker 3: know church ministers as well who are afraid to even
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  Speaker 3: pray with people who are conflicted about their gender or
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  Speaker 3: their sexuality for fear of being prosecuted under these draconian laws.
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  Speaker 4: So you look at that and it's a dire situation.
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  Speaker 2: And doctor Helen Joyce, by the way, is excellent. I
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  Speaker 2: saw her on the weekend in Adelaide. She was speaking
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  Speaker 2: at the Gender Health Care Summit, which was put on
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  Speaker 2: by CASS, which is the Coalition Advancing Scientific Care. They
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  Speaker 2: had their inaugural summit in Adelaide. And she's written a
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  Speaker 2: book recently called trans When Ideology Meets Reality about these issues,
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  Speaker 2: has written extensively about it, has researched it extensively, and
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  Speaker 2: what she has to say is well worth listening to.
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  Speaker 2: So if you can get your hands on the book,
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  Speaker 2: or you can find any of the interviews she's done recently,
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  Speaker 2: I know she did one with John Anderson. Go and
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  Speaker 2: have a look at what she has to say, because
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  Speaker 2: she is on the money and what she has identified.
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  Speaker 2: And it became clear when I was at this conference
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  Speaker 2: on the weekend is just how far behind the eight
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  Speaker 2: ball Australia is on these issues. Like five years ago,
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  Speaker 2: we were sort of on the same path as everyone
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  Speaker 2: else in terms of we're all on board with gender
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  Speaker 2: affirming care and kids should be able to change their
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  Speaker 2: gender and you can get puberty blockers, which they've now
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  Speaker 2: done away with in Queensland, et cetera, et ceter But
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  Speaker 2: then since then there's been a lot of change in
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  Speaker 2: much of the rest of the Western world. We had
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  Speaker 2: the cast report of course out of the United Kingdom
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  Speaker 2: that absolutely tore apart the gender affirming care treatments that
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  Speaker 2: were happening over there and identified the harms that they
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  Speaker 2: had caused. And they had on the weekend in Adelaide
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  Speaker 2: the woman who runs all the gender health care for
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  Speaker 2: the government in Finland, and she talked about all the
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  Speaker 2: research that they've done over there and they don't do
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  Speaker 2: gender affirming care basically. I mean this is Finland has
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  Speaker 2: looked at all the data and said no, on the
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  Speaker 2: basis of what we look at, we cannot find any
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  Speaker 2: statistically significant bes effit, particularly to children if you transition
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  Speaker 2: them early and put them on puberty blockers, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: So here we are in Australia, ignoring all of this
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  Speaker 2: international change and data and studies and whatever that keep
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  Speaker 2: coming through.
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  Speaker 1: We're going full steam.
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  Speaker 2: Ahead saying you can be put in the slammer for
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  Speaker 2: five years if you offend someone on the basis of
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  Speaker 2: them being transgender.
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  Speaker 5: We are backwards well, and I don't think and the
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  Speaker 5: problem is I have I can understand if someone has
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  Speaker 5: decided to transition as an adult. I feel like that
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  Speaker 5: is something that to be honest, I think there's a
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  Speaker 5: common sense element here that the governments and bureaucracies and
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  Speaker 5: you know, the private sector have missed, and I think
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  Speaker 5: there would have been a far more logical way to
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  Speaker 5: resolve these things. Instead, it's been jammed down everyone's throats
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  Speaker 5: the idea of disagreeing or being uncomfortable with certain elements
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  Speaker 5: of this. I think most people have concerns around kids,
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  Speaker 5: and you've seen what's happened with the Tavistot Clinic in
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  Speaker 5: the UK, and those things need to be acknowledged. But
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  Speaker 5: my sort of view is, if you're an adult and
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  Speaker 5: you have decided to transition, it is not a thing
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  Speaker 5: that should be taken lightly, and therefore you're entitled to
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  Speaker 5: do your own thing. The problem is that this has
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  Speaker 5: just been from every angle. We've been told you must
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  Speaker 5: do this, you must do that, and if you don't,
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  Speaker 5: you're a bigot, or you can face prosecution, loss of job,
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  Speaker 5: and everything else.
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  Speaker 1: And that's not helping anyone, let alone.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think it's helping the lgb TQI community either.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's doing the opposite, and.
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  Speaker 3: They're penalizing, and this is what I can't get over.
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  Speaker 3: They're penalizing medical professionals who just want to do the
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  Speaker 3: right thing, and they're saying, you cannot question this. You
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  Speaker 3: have to follow our gender affirming care codes that we've
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  Speaker 3: developed that are all extremely biased.
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  Speaker 4: And the idea that in science you.
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  Speaker 3: Wouldn't be able to test hypotheses, look at new data
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  Speaker 3: that's come out and go hmmm, maybe we got that
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  Speaker 3: wrong is absurd. But we're just going now, we've committed
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  Speaker 3: to this, and part of me thinks the damage that's
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  Speaker 3: already been done to these kids is so horrendous that
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  Speaker 3: they have to continue to convince themselves that they've done
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  Speaker 3: the right thing to cope with what they've actually done.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and the idea of look in medicine, we should
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  Speaker 5: have elements of second opinions. There should be darta to
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  Speaker 5: look at and say, hey, all of a sudden, these
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  Speaker 5: care groups. I mean, there's been stories about all of
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  Speaker 5: a sudden, the clinics in hospitals in states. I've suddenly
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  Speaker 5: got thousands of kids that are undergoing this care and
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: someone should be looking at this and saying, hey, what
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: is actually going on here? Why is this all of
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: a sudden? Come from somewhere, So that's interesting insight from
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: the other side of the world.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: They came.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: You may well have read in the Daily Mail today
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: about a physical altercation I had after that conference, which
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: goes to show just how angry people get about this.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: We haven't read it. You can look it up if
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: you'd like. A bloke came up to me.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: He was sort of shaking me, and he said words
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: to me that I can't repeat on here, but anyway,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: but that's how hot this issue has become. And it
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: really should just be about what is best for people
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: and particularly best for children. And I really don't think
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: we're doing it enough service in this country. Let's talk
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: about what else councils. I know, yes, you wouldn't believe it.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Just another council doing the wrong thing, this time in
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Penrith in Sydney, and the council's trying to shirk this one.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: So there's the Penrith Valley Regional Sports Center, which is
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: sort of the biggest basketball center in that part of
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Western Sydney, out of Western Sydney, and the Penrith District
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Basketball Association holds its competition at this sports center and
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: previously they've had to pay a fee for every game
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: they play there at seventy seven dollars to hire the
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: court for juniors and eighty eight dollars to hire the
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: court for seniors. But the Penrith Valley Regional Sports Center
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: has come along and jacked it up by nearly forty
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: percent the fee to use the courts and said you'll
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: now have to pay one hundred and thirty two dollars
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: each time you use the court, and the association is saying, well, well,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: we just can't cop it because we have to pass
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: that cost on to our members and our players and
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: kids and families.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: And whatever that sort of thing.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: So they've delayed the start of their basketball season to
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: try and negotiate with the Penrith Valley Regional Sports Center
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: to reduce this cost. Now, when the Council was asked
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: about it, because the Penrith Valley o Regional Sports Center
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: is on council land, you know what the council said.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: They said, the setting of fees and charges is not
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: a matter for council because the sports center is on
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: council land. But they let some not for profit outfit
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: run the sports center, and so on.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: That basis they go, not our problem. Who cares if.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: They want to charge the community group's forty percent more
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: to play basketball.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is on council land.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: If you're trying to get local sports club to pony
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: up forty more in dollars to play their game, surely
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: the Council ought to step and say, hang on a minute,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: this sports field is.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: On our land. We're going to tell you now you can't.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Do that, correct, And this is going to make Penrith
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Valley Sports Center one of the most expensive courts in Sydney,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: more expensive than the basketball courts at Sydney Olympic Park.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: So you're really telling me that the Penrith basketball courts
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: are better than the courts at Sydney Olympic Park and
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: they should be paying fifteen dollars more per hour.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: No, that's just ridiculous. And these community sporting.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Organizations do so much good and for so many families.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: If you have multiple.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Kids in sports, it gets very very expensive. Any increasing
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: cost could be prohibitive for some people. My brother's a
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: basketball coach of one of these local clubs here in Sydney.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: They don't pay their coaches. It's all done on a
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: volunteer basis. Hours and hours a week of poured into
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: these community organizations. So for the sports venue to then
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: turn around and do this to the club is just
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: a slap in the face.
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's delayed the season And you're right. Look,
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: the cost of junior and grassroots sport is often what
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: makes or breaks people participating in certain sports, and some
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: sports unfortunately, one of the big issues we have with
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: football or soccer in this country is that if you
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: get any good and you start to go into some
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: of these rep sides, they get terribly expensive and unless
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: you've got a scholarship or a fund, you might not.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Be able to play.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: But the idea of kids being denied or a season
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: being denied, or parents saying we can't afford that because
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: they've suddenly jacked up the fees by forty percent is
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: just wrong.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: It shouldn't be allowed to happen.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: And at some level someone should be stepping in and
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: saying no, you can't do that, and if it costs
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: one kid from playing, that's wrong.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: The council just needs to step in because they're saying
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: that they took out this So the sporting center took
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: out a loan from the council to do upgrades to
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: the sporting center and now they've got to meet certain
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: targets and I forgot, Why doesn't the council just step
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: into say no, actually, we're just going to run the show,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: and we're going to do it at a benefit for
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: the community.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: That's what we pay rates for, isn't it for.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: The provision of these kinds of services from a council.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we've got more bad council stories coming up, including
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: this one. A Queensland family behind a viral Christmas light
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: decoration have been told they need to apply for a
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: permit from the local council and even put on traffic
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: control to.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Put on a display this year.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: This is Burpengary East residents David and Chloe Strickland, who
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: are the architects of the Merry Strickland Christmas Lights display,
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: and they've been told by the City of Morton Bay
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: that they need to apply for a local event permit
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: to put on a.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Light display this year.
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: These guys are the talk of the town and the
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: idea of them apply for a permit and.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Also traffic controls.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: Now, I know, and I know there's a couple of
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: streets in Sydney, including where I grew up at Pine
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: Street in Dundas, which is just every Christmas is incredible.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: And sure it does get busy and it does mean
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: that people are slowing down and it's.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: A little bit of a busy part of the street
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: at night.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: But I mean, seriously, like, what do councils have nothing
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: better to do than to be telling these people to
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: get involved in a da I mean seriously.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Well, you're getting punished for bringing some cheer to the
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: community are and you're like, yeah, I'll deck out my
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: house in Christmas lights and the first time they did it,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: they spend like thirty grand on the Christmas lights they
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: put up, So you might argue, well, the one thousand
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: dollar cost of the applying for the permit is nothing.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: It powers in comparison to the thirty grand. But they've
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: agreed that they're going to scale back the thing so
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: that it doesn't make the area quite so busy this
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: year for the council to turn around and then say
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: you've got to pay one thousand dollars to get a
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: permit in order to put lights on your house, and
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: then you have to pay for the traffic management in
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: the string. Do you know what those lollipop people get
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: paid these days? When would I drive home at high
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: leave the studio here at about five past eleven, and
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: you drive home and almost with that fail is some road.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know what all these roadworks they're doing between
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: here and my joints only fifteen to twenty minutes away.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: But he's always going on fifty some night, and there's
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: there's always, you know, some hot blonde chick on the
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: lollipop right who's being paid hundreds of dollars an hour
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: to stand there and just go.
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: Slow stop like they're not these lillipop people. To be clear, though,
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: it's a really important job. It is it is, it's
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: apply and demand. Caleb paid these lollipop people.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Is anyone he want to do it? I don't want
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: to do it. I'm happy to do it.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I'd it about doing it. I thought about when I
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: leave here at I could go and do a few
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: hours shifts on the lollipop because these people, if you're.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Full time, they're only like one hundred and fifty grand
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: a year. It's good money.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: So then you tell some poor family if you want
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: to have Christmas lights on, you're going to make hundreds
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: of dollars an hour for a lollipop person.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Read maybe not.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Hundreds of dollars an hour, maybe about fifty dollars an hour.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: But that's besides the point.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Apparently someone complained to the council that these lights were
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: so incredibly popular they turned a ten minute drive into
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: a two hour drive.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Now, I Cobb be right.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Some of these complaints just sound a bit excessive, a
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: bit vexatious, and really there are just too many grinches
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: up there in Queensland. They need to bring on the
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Christmas joy and just let this family have some fun
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: but on the theme of festivities. The other festive occasion
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: that's coming up soon is Halloween. Now, Halloween's always one
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: of those holidays that divides people. Some people think it's
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: too commercial, it's to American, and in religious circles in
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: the Christian community, it is often very divisive because people argue, well,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: it's all spooky and it's a little bit dodgy spiritually. Well,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: one school down in Melbourne, Saint Michael's Grammar School in
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Saint Kilda, previously had a ban on celebrating Halloween.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: The chaplain sent out a note saying.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: This is opposed to Christian values. It practices occult spiritual
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: stuff and we don't want that at a Christian school.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: But now they appear to have reversed that and said
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: people are free to celebrate.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: As they wish.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: I think it is perfectly reasonable for a Christian school
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: to say Halloween is against our values and we don't think.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: It should be celebrated. So the idea that they're.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Now reversing that, well, I guess it's up to them
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: as a school.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: But stick to your values.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, do it you want.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Basically, I couldn't ticularly care less whether they do it
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: or don't. I'm not a great Halloween person, but it's
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: sort of one of those things that, even though it
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: has roots in spirituality or religion, it's just sort of
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: transcended that, like Christmas and Easter.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, for goodness sake, they even celebrate Christmas.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: In China now, and I mean the religion is not
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: allowed in China. They even celebrate Christmas over there because
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: it is transcended the religious element of it. Of course,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: that is the undercurrent to it. But you know, for
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: a lot of people, Christmas is a time to gather
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: with family and it means a lot of other things
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: as well, And so Halloween is probably in that bag too.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's just an excuse for kids to eat
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: lots of chocolates and drum up business for dentists, isn't it.
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: But also, is it really that offensive to Christian values?
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: What?
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: What?
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: What?
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: Who are we offending by, you know, putting up a
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: few Jack o'lanins or putting people well, I.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Mean imagine if they do webs, if they do away
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: with Halloween, what are the pumpkin farmers going?
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: No, I mean this is a genuine discussion in Christian circles,
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: and there are a lot of people who have concerns
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: about the kind of spiritual element of it and the go.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: But that's if you're going and doing a if you're
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: doing a Wiga board with your friends, then of course,
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: I mean there's some stuff going on there, but.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: We're talking about a few decorations and stuff like that.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: This reverend and the school was concerned it might look
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: like an innocuous celebration, but there are deep spiritual forces.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know I would have loved about.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: I'm not mocking anyone's religious views. I'd just love to
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: know what is the big offense if people are getting
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: involved in the Ouiji boards and stuff. Fair enough, but
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: in general terms I can't see a big deal about
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: it in the UK. And this problem just goes from
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: bad to worse, and every day you hear a story
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: like this. An Iranian migrant who was removed to France
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: under the one in, one out deal has returned to
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: Britain on a small boat as the number of migrants
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: crossing this year surpassed the total number that arrived in
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty four. The unnamed man was among three hundred
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: and sixty nine migrants who arrived in seven boats last Thursday,
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: having been removed from France on September nineteen. He was
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: only the third migrant to have been removed to France
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: under the scheme. Before him, an Indian man and another
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: man were deported. What is going on here with the
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: UK and their border control? You can't make this stuff up?
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: How good is this? Yes, minister stuff? If it wasn't so serious.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: They've only kicked three out of the country. One of
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: them is already bad, honestly porous board.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: You know. It actually gets worse than that because he
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: was removed under the one in, one out policy, which
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: means they supported him, which means the UK has now
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: had to accept another migrant. He then came back they
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: deported him again, so they've had to accept two more
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: migrants for his failed deportation. So net they're up three
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: people in the country after all of that.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: It's just absurd.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: But then's the problem with a one in, one out policy.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, it should be all out, like if you
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: don't belong here, you don't belong here, as if they
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: couldn't have seen this coming, okay, well, so we'll see
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: you back across the channel. And as if they're not
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: going to try and come back again.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Well, the UK government Kiss Salma's argument is that you
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: need to create a legal pathway and so if you
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: have this other option, the idea is that they'll send
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: an illegal person out and bring a legal person in
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: from France. But it's so easy to cross the channel,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: as this guy has demonstrated. Why would you bother going
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: through the processes when you can just jump on a boat,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: pay a few hundred bucks to a people smuggler and
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: boom you're back in the UK.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: It's just madness.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Where is this heading? Honestly?
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: And I mean the pictures that you see out of
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: the UK are just astonishing, and it's the kind of
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: thing ensure we've talked about, the protests and the uprising,
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: and I just I wonder where this is heading and
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: whether a government can actually fix what is going on
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: here without what you're saying, Caleb, and that is one out,
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: not one in, one out. There has to be some
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: hard decisions made here and there has to be some
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: Trump like action.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well you know where it is heading. It's heading
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: to what is happening in Sweden, where the most horrific
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: just injustice has occurred. Over there, an eighteen year old
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Eritrean refugee, cornered and sexually assaulted a sixteen year old
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Swedish girl named Maya Aberg on her way home from
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: her shift at the local McDonald's.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: So he sexually assaulted this sixteen year old girl.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: The court sentenced him to just three years in prison,
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: and then they said he wouldn't be deported after his
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: sentence was over because the sexual assault was not sufficiently
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: serious because apparently.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: It didn't last long enough.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: So if he just sexually assaulted her a little bit
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: more than maybe it would have.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: Been serious enough to deport this guy. This is so wrong.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: A young girl has been assaulted, her life has been
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: changed forever. She's gonna have to live with that trauma
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: for the rest of her life. This guy just got
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: three years, that's nothing, and for the court to turn
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: around and say, well, sorry, he now gets to stay
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: in Sweden enjoying the privileges of life here because you know,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: it's not actually that serious.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: But I had to when I saw this story that
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I had to reread it three times because I was like,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: is that real? And I thought no, no, surely this
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: is just some bogus publication that's like put together some
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: satirical thing.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: And I looked up.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Now it's a real news whipster, I.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Thought, he like, how is this possible?
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: I can't even fathom that a court would be deciding
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: on the degrees of how bad a rape is on
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: the basis of how long it went on for and
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: whether or not that means as a margaret.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: You ought to be deported.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: You commit any crime, I don't care whether it's shoplifting,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: if you go to another country, whatever country that might be.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, Heaven's sake, if I moved to I don't know.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Let's say I moved to Spain, ye, and I start
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: stealing from Spanish shops. They should be well within their
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: rights to say, bugger off back to Australia. Mate, you're
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: not the kind of guy we want in this country.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: How is that not how it worked?
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I agree, and I think Australians would agree with that.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: And this is a shocking story.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: But let's just keep in mind that the High Court
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: only some time ago basically ruled and made a decision
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: that allowed dangerous criminals to be let out onto the street,
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: and labor had to sort of respond and a lot
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: of them have reoffended, and they were very, very serious crimes.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: The whole system, which is largely taxpayer funded, is basically
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: set up to basically defend these people and allow people
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: to stay for as long as possible. The administrative appeals
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: tribunal at every step. It's like you get four or
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: five steps before someone is eventually deported. And I don't
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: think those things are in the best interest of the
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: country involved in.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, that is just one of the worst stories
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I've ever heard.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: And another case out of the US as well, and
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: you might have seen some of the footage of this
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: a while ago, but there was a crash on a
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: US motorway with a truck that wiped out a number
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: of cars. It killed people.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: The guy was.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: An illegal migrant who was allowed in Indian fella, who
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: was allowed in under the Biden administration. I mean, and
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: these are the consequences you let people in who shouldn't
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: be in the country in the first place. Next thing,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: they've got a job, something goes wrong, what do you do.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Then you've already let them in, what do you do?
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And he was apparently, also, according to the police,
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: under the influence of something, So I mean just at
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: every single level. This is why you have to control
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: your borders. You have to know who's coming into your country.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: You can't have these sancturary democrat cities where anyone can
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: get a license without proper documentation.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: That people will die.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Now the secret of the Brisbane Broncos.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Of course, they won the NRL Grand Final this year
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: and it was extraordinary because they were in round thirteen,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: twelfth on the ladder and they just lost in round
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: thirteen to Manly. They they got absolutely hammered by Manly
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: and so they went, well, what are we going to do.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: We've got to do something here. We've lost this game
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: thirty four to six. We've got to do something to
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: turn this season around.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: You know what they did, take a.
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: Look years through years, years on the years and years
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: through years years the views.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they went to the pub.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Their assistant coach at Ben said this is what we did.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: He quote he said, we went on the piece. That's
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: what happened. We have a lot to thank hotels staying
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: for a hotel stay in Manly. So they left the
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: ground at Brookvale and the assistant coach convinced the CEO
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: and the coach to let them have a night on
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: the tiles and they all went out and got hammered.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: And after that they won twelve or thirteen games, including.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Seven on the trot. So that's the secret, the pub.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: That's the formula and look in fairness, the coach copped
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: a lot of criticism early on, Michael McGuire for training
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: them too hard and they're not letting them have some
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: time away to do what they wanted as the stories went,
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: and this night on the beers was what changed their season.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: So there you go, there's something in that for future teams.
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: The Adelaide Crows next to year Caleb, Yeah, I got
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: to go for the prelims and they might get all
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: the way.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, And the thing I love about it is that
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: you know they've got like make America great again and
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: make America healthy again. We should make Australia social again.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: You know, actually I reckon the part of the secret
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: is you got all the blokes out, had a few
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: too many beers. They've had a good time. They're together
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: as matees, building camaraderie. That's only good for business.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: Well that's the key thing.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: It's actually like having some fun and these atletes are
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: under so much pressure all the time.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: It's probably good for them.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: To just be able to let their hair out, have
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: some bonding time together, drink away their sorrows after their
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: terrible lass and then go on to victory.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Should be more of it. Exactly. There you go. There's
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: your excuse.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: When the wife says, why do you spend so much
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: time down the boozer, say look, I'm just training to
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: win in the Grand Final, darling.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: It's all good. After the break.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: We'll get into the papers. On the front of the
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Australian tomorrow, Chris Bowen doesn't want to tell us the
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: advice is received MTNIT zero. Really that's coming out.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Radio.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Let's get stuck into tomorrow's newspapers, starting with The Australian.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Yes, and the headline here is disinformation, Chris information Now
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: it's missing information. Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: and his bureaucrats are refusing to release critical advice around
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: the challenges and potential pitfalls of the government's net zero plans.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Despite Senate authorities rejecting arguments for keeping the document's secret,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Mister Bowen and the Department of Climate Change, Energy, the
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: Environment and Water have repeatedly resisted attempts to compel them
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: to the release of a volume of the incoming Government
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: brief prepared for mister Bowen in the wake of the
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: May federal election. Very very convenience, isn't that. I mean,
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: of course they don't want to release this stuff because
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: it will show that so much of their modeling and
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: their predictions and the costings and everything.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: Are just bogus.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: But to go to that level of just saying no,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: we're just not going to hand it over, even though
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: the Senate has told us we have to, that's that's
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: a new level of crazy.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: And these are the kind of documents as well that
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: journalists have tried to FOI in different ways, and they
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: always say it's either commercial in confidence or for some reason,
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: we just can't release it. And if you think about
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: if this was a new motorway or an airport, I mean,
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: we'd know the rough costs.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: We don't know the costs.
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: We do not know the costs of net zero over
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: the next three years, five years, ten years, And the
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: government is keeping it under lock and key because they're
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: worried about scaring off market investment, which is booming at
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: the moment, which is really wrong. I just don't think
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: that should be allowed to happen, and it would not
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: be allowed to happen in any other project.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: And they don't even have to release the whole thing.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, normally when UFOI is something, it
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: comes back with large tranches of some reason. And the
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: departments that have released the advice they received under FOI
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: include Treasury, Foreign Affairs and Trade, Health, Education, employment, workplace Relations.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Everyone else has been quite happy to hand over the documents,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: just not Chris Bowen and the Climate Bob Funny.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: You know what I want to know, Will the Tills,
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: with their emphasis on transparency, call this out and demand
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: the release of the documents. You guys love transparency. It'd
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: be interesting to see if that comes.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of money, and this is it gives
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: you an idea and we're not quite sure you know
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: exactly how much it's going to cost. But the Daily
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: Telegraph tomorrow has this story up that Australia.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Could build eight hospitals.
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, sorry, could build eight hospitals or four hundred new
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: age care homes a month with the money needed to
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: achieve australia as emissions twenty thirty targets. The analysis found
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: the capital cost of reaching those climate targets works out
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: to be between seventeen point eight billion and twenty two
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: point three billion a month. The figures are being pushed
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: by a coalition MP and an attempt to bring the
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: net zero debate out of the bush and into the cities. Now,
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: that is an astonishing amount of money. But when you
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: consider that some of these individual projects are two, three,
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: four five billion dollars, I mean it's crazy money, isn't it.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Seriously? And this is what we're in for moving forward.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Well, and you think about what where is all the
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: money actually going. You know, it's largely going into the
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: hands of private sector investors who receive money in subsidies.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: And that's why no one apart.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: From those of us who say, actually this is something
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: a bit dodgy. If you're in business, why wouldn't you
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: be on board with it?
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Because there's money to.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: Be made, right, it's a bonanza. I mean, the government
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: just gives out free money.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: I was speaking to one of my former colleagues back
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: when I worked in finance, and he was saying, well,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: the market's are bullish because the government just keeps spending
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: and now so many industries so many people in Australia
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: are reliant on the government to just keep spending that
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: things keep going up and up because the money tap
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: keeps going. But just quickly on that point, back to
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: the Australian, there's another interesting story in there on this
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: whole theme of energy.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: And net zero.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: The Victorian Opposition leader Brad Batton has stopped short of
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: committing to the Allen government's legislative target of net zero
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: by twenty forty six, saying his energy policy will center
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: on cutting prices, boosting reliability and driving emissions reduction. Mister
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Batton's stance comes as divisions over climate policy continue to
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: royal the federal coalition, fueled by Barnaby Joyce's impending departure
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: from the Nationals. It also follows New South Wales opposition
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: leader Mark Speakman's warning that walking away from net zero
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: would be disastrous for his electoral chances.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: In twenty twenty seven. So that's just interesting.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: There another voice in the Liberal Party who is starting
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: to go maybe the climate zealotry at any cost is
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: not the right path.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and this is the issue, This is the crisis
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: the Liberal Party faces and people in the New South
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: Wales Liberal parties say that they only just lost at
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: the last state election because they were far more open
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: to renewable energy, and they said, look, we all we
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: were on this green energy path. They didn't back coal largely,
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: and so as a result they think we can sort
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: of keep it closer than it should have been. But
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: this is the crisis in the Liberal party. The left
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: of the Liberal Party says we've got to get closer
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: to green energy. We've got to back this transition. And
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: the right and people in the Nationals and people further
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: right of politics are all saying it's time to give
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: net zero a red hot book. But the Liberals will
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: never ever win another government unless they can figure out
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: a point of difference.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. On the front of the
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Cans Post tomorrow and you'll see on the left hand
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: side of the page here as a lawyer to six
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: path to success. And I just want to mention that
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: because the woman's name is Alice boussan K and I thought,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: what a fabulous name that is, Hyacinth Bouquet, Eat your
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: heart out. But the story next to it rubbish numbers
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: cities twenty thousand.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Ton waste woes, What a lot over it.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Can's regional Council has se twenty four hundred eighty seven
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: tons more rubbish to landfill in the last financial year
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: than in twenty twenty one twenty two, with councilors calling
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: for the return of an annual sustainability report into its
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: environmental practices, but the council says it will deliver a
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: report once every four years instead. With the landfill increase
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: due to a fire which destroyed one of the city's
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: recycling centers in early twenty twenty five, So to translate that,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: what that means is we can't recycle anything anymore, so
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: we're just burying it in the ground. It's the recycling's
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: going well, isn't it. Yeah?
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: And we keep getting told that we've only got a
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: certain number of years left of landfill in certain parts
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: of the country. But what happened to because we don't
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: send it overseas anymore do we? We used to send
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: it all to China and other parts of the world
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: and that was stopped. So where is all this recycling going?
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: And if it's ending up in landfill, what are we
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: spending all that time putting them in separate?
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: I know it's one bin bag.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's the thing. I think.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: If there's one country that has enough space for a
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: lot of landfill, it's Australia. But you'd feel pretty annoyed
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: if you're up in cans and you diligently separate all
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: the bits through the recycling properly, it's all a scam.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: In the Camera Times tomorrow, the headline is earning the
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: public trust. Medicare, the Pharmaceutical Benefit Scheme and the Department
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: of Foreign Affairs and Trade are Australia's most trusted government services.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: New data shows participants in the twenty twenty five Trust
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: in Australian Public Services Survey cited shorterwaight times, more helpful staff,
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: and easier to use digital platforms as contributing to increased trust.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: You know which government department is not on there? The NDIS,
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: And I think there's a very good reason for.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: We seem to the ATS services the at where are they?
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: People don't trust them? Trust the PBS, I mean that
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: does deliver.
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: If you're bete fitting from the PBS, you're getting a
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: good win out of that.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Department of Foreign Afairs and Trade. Big trust.
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: I guess when you're in trouble overseas. They do help
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: a lot of people and mount the green card. I mean,
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: how good is the green card of many kids?
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Oh so reliable and just quickly, I want to show
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: you the front of the Townsville bulletin tomorrow, if only
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: to show you their headline, which is poon Ami Compo
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: calls because apparently the wet season, of course we know,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: is on the way and this is long suffering victims
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: of the chronic poon ami problem are not happy about
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: the prospect of enduring another wet season with sewage flowing
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: into their homes, calling for compensation and to fix. I
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: hope they can fix the poor army soon after the
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: break over in New Zealand, it is absolutely blowing a gale.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Some of the footage that's been coming out of people
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: being blown onto.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: The streets, all sorts of stuff. We'll show you that
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: at the moment.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Now, look, often we do the dope of the day,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: but listeners of radio would know that John Laws used
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: to do the yay of the day. And I'm going
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: to give the yay of the day to these two
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: kids at a childcase into in Mildura, if only for
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: the great ingenuity that they've been able to show a
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: couple of kids at this childcare center managed to make
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: their way out of the childcare center and men went
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: for a wander up the road. Now there are conflicting
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: stories about how far the kids went. One story says
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: that the kids managed to get a kilometer up the road.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Others say that they just sort of managed to get
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: to a pedestrian crossing and they were found fine.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: But they were.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Perfectly safe, it has to be said. But what they
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: had managed to do was open I mean, there's a
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: little kid, so two three years old whatever, managed to
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: open up gates and doors and all sorts of stuff.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: And the child con said to send out a letter
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: to the parents and said that the kids had quote
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: work together and use teamwork, climbing skills, and ingenuity to
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: open each of the three gates, including using.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: A broom to lift a la.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Can you mention these little kids, come on, if you
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: just get the LA child, stand on your shoulders.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Put them on scholarship. Now they're going to be so.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: The preschool center's just saying we were so great and
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: teaching the king in collaboration.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: They've been lighted in real life and now they can escape.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Watch any and we're not liable, by the way, that's
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: what they're saying. We're not.
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: Well, something you'd really want to be escaping from right
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: now is happening in New Zealand. They have had gusts
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: of wind of up to one hundred and fifty five
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: kilometers per hour and it's been so bad that one
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: woman was literally blown over onto a busy road of traffic.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: You can see it there.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: She looks like she's stepping forward and then she's literally.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: Blown onto the road.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Thankfully, the current front of her stopped just in time,
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: but her possessions were flying everywhere. Ninety thousand homes are
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: without power and one hundred flights have been canceled.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: So over in New Zealand wild here's.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Even in the image of a truck that was blown over.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if we've got the images.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: That there it is. Look at that the track just
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: blown clean over.
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: Do you ever have those feelings when you drive sometimes
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: it's really windy.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I feel like on the road.
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a thing, right, that's just not about driving.
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: You can actually feel it moving from side to side.
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: Before we go, have a look at this. This is
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: a Christmas Island. It's an invasion of crabs, the red
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: little creatures. Basically, this happens every year on the island,
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: about fifteen hundred klometers from Australia's mainland. There's a major
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: spawning event. It takes place on November fifteen and sixteen.
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: A second spawning anticipated in December, and there's red crabs everywhere.
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: Male crabs lead the migration. So if you're going somewhere
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: to fish or to catch crabs, that would be the
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: place to be going at the moment, Christmas Island.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: So there you go. Can you guys, if you were having.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Christmas on Christmas Island now, it would be the time
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: to put them in the freezer.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: I like that, So do I?
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: So do?
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: I imagine driving over that or.
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: Sun baking, and you know it's not ideal, but cliplop.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: At least Christmas Island's got crabs.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: And I don't thank you for watching tonight up next
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: to the Panny shoke with you