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SMNTY Classics: Dr. Ellie Sattler · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. Welcome to stuff I
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  Speaker 1: never told you protection of by Heart Radio, and welcome
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  Speaker 1: to another classic. I am bringing back an episode I
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  Speaker 1: did a minus, Samantha because you had COVID at the time.
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  Speaker 1: I really did do a lot of episodes that they
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  Speaker 1: were rude to do without you. This one, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think as much. It was about a doctor, Ellie Sadler
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  Speaker 1: from Jurassic Park. Oh, okay, okay, yes, which I love.
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  Speaker 1: I love Jurassic Park. I talk about it in this episode.
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  Speaker 1: But I've got like the collectible cards, and I read
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  Speaker 1: what's on her card and here. I also am someone
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  Speaker 1: who has a lot of critiques about the newer movies.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the reasons I'm bringing this pack because
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  Speaker 1: I just watched the newest movie it's available on streaming
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  Speaker 1: and it's not no sponsors. Oh it's Scarlett Johansson. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: man's sexiest, sexiest man alive. John Bailey yea, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't believe. Go ahead, Jonathan, No, yeah, I have no judgment.
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  Speaker 1: But it's just funny because I hadn't seen him in
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  Speaker 1: anything else that I could immediately think of. But bridgeton, baby,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't he was he was the maid. I haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen Bridrickton, so that that's what made him big. Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: all right, well I just saw him where he's a
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  Speaker 1: nerd in this movie. Okay, Well, you know, nerves are
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  Speaker 1: sexy now, nerds are been sexy for a while. They
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  Speaker 1: have they have to be real. Honest, he's the first gay,
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  Speaker 1: uh sexiest man alive, I believe. Oh out, Oh interesting,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Okay, well maybe I'll aready watch
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  Speaker 1: it and things for you. Maybe I don't know. I did.
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  Speaker 1: I have to say I enjoyed it a lot better,
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  Speaker 1: a lot more than the Chris prowt ones. Okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and you can hear me talking about that and my
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  Speaker 1: issues with that and our again Stmantha was not their
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  Speaker 1: disaster horror movie episode where I have a whole thing
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  Speaker 1: about Jurassic World and why I was so mad about
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  Speaker 1: it and how I thought it was incredibly sexist. Okay, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: oh gosh, now I want to go into all my thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: We can't. This is the classic. Please enjoy this classic episode. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: this is Annie and welcome to stuff one never told
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  Speaker 1: you production of iHeartRadio. And yes, unfortunately I am still
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  Speaker 1: by myself. But I think that's okay. I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sad I miss Samantha, but I think it's okay for
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  Speaker 1: this one because we have talked about Jurassic Park before
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  Speaker 1: on here, She's talked about it on the dailies like guys,
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  Speaker 1: So I think she she'll be fine with not being
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  Speaker 1: present for this one. As much as we'll miss her.
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  Speaker 1: She will be back. Do not worry. I yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: just a scheduling thing and an illness thing, but she
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  Speaker 1: will be back. So today, yes we are talking about
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  Speaker 1: Jassic Park. We are talking about doctor Ellie Sadler, who
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't going to necessarily do, but it just felt
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  Speaker 1: so fitting because it is the thirtieth anniversary of Jurassic Park,
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  Speaker 1: and we have been talking a lot about disaster movies lately.
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  Speaker 1: I think some of that is coming out after this,
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  Speaker 1: some about before, but like a lot of content around it,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what, just want to
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  Speaker 1: mark it off my list. Also, I have a really
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  Speaker 1: fun update about my cards that I mentioned, my Jurassic
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  Speaker 1: Park collectible cards that I had as a kid. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what's fun? You want to stick around for the update? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: So I would say, see our recent women in creature
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  Speaker 1: features deserves to die. That whole idea women in archaeology
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  Speaker 1: and paleontology. I feel like there's something I'm forgetting. I
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  Speaker 1: talk about her a lot. She was an impactful character.
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  Speaker 1: I told the story in our Archaeology Paleontology episodes. I
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  Speaker 1: watched this movie when I was not supposed to as
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  Speaker 1: a kid. I loved her. I dressed as her at
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  Speaker 1: Dragon Con the first time I went. She was one
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  Speaker 1: of my costumes, and a lot of people were dressing
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  Speaker 1: her this year because it is the thirtieth anniversary, and
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  Speaker 1: she came up. We had it pretty rousing, me and
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  Speaker 1: my friend's conversation about Jurassic Park and the newer Jurassic
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  Speaker 1: Parks and Michael Crichton and I learned a lot. I
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  Speaker 1: learned a lot. But all right, that being said, let's
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  Speaker 1: get into it. Doctor Ellie Sadler, based on Michael Crichton's books.
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  Speaker 1: The character in the books who I learned in this
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  Speaker 1: conversation is pretty problematic. It was first introduced to a
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  Speaker 1: lot of us in the nineteen ninety three Blockbolster hit
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  Speaker 1: Jurassic Park. She's played by Laura Dern. She has a
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  Speaker 1: paleobotanist invited to Jurassic Park along with her coworker Alan
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  Speaker 1: Grant by John Hammond, who is looking to get some
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  Speaker 1: experts to sign off on the safety of having basically
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  Speaker 1: a theme park which genetically engineered dinosaurs. This is one
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  Speaker 1: of those things where I'm not sure how much I
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  Speaker 1: need to explain, but basically, this rich guy, doctor Jon Hammond,
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  Speaker 1: has made this theme park with genetically engineered dinosaurs and
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  Speaker 1: he wants experts in the field to sign off on
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  Speaker 1: it so he can get the lawyers to back off. Okay, So,
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  Speaker 1: at first Ellie is in all of the extinct plant
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  Speaker 1: she's seeing of the dinosaurs, but it quickly turns to
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  Speaker 1: concern and her opinion that she believes that the whole
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  Speaker 1: thing is dangerous and that when it comes to the
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  Speaker 1: plants in particular, which is her area of expertise, they
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  Speaker 1: were chosen because they looked good even though they were deadly.
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  Speaker 1: When they go on their tour of the park, she
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  Speaker 1: tries to get Alan to ride with kids Tim and
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  Speaker 1: Lex who are him AND's grandkids. I had such a
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  Speaker 1: crush on Tim when I was a kid, but Alan
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  Speaker 1: is able to escape them, and if you haven't seen
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  Speaker 1: the movie or you don't remember. Ellie and Allen get
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  Speaker 1: into a disagreement when the movie starts about kids, because
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  Speaker 1: she really wants them, he really doesn't. It's never outright
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  Speaker 1: clear that they're in a relationship, even though Alan at
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  Speaker 1: one part says he they are, but it could be
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  Speaker 1: he's just trying to scare off doctor Ian Malcolm played
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  Speaker 1: by Jeff Goldbloom, who was flirting with her. Uh for sure.
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  Speaker 1: So as this tour goes on, they simple upon us
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  Speaker 1: sick try Sarah tops and Ellie cries happy tears. It comes,
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  Speaker 1: is determined to figure out why it's sick, going arm
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  Speaker 1: deep into a huge pile of dinos to analyze it
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  Speaker 1: without qualms. Tenacious Ian says, and a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: point to the scene is like, oh, she's that, because
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't played as like, oh, this woman
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  Speaker 1: is doing this, how silly or how gross or how improper.
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  Speaker 1: It was more like she was just doing her job,
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  Speaker 1: and no one really thought that much of it other
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  Speaker 1: than Tenacious very willing to get her hands dirty, as
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  Speaker 1: you might say, She elects to stay with the triceratops,
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  Speaker 1: meaning she is not attacked by the t Rex the
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  Speaker 1: people who continue on the tour are. When she learns
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  Speaker 1: the others maybe in danger. After the dinosaurs escape, she
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  Speaker 1: volunteers to go with hunter Robert Muldoon to retrieve them,
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  Speaker 1: which ultimately results in them rescuing Ian and escaping at
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  Speaker 1: rampaging t Rex say escape, Ellie helps heal Ian and
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  Speaker 1: tries to convince Hammond that what matters is saving the
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  Speaker 1: ones they love, not the park. She once again volunteers
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  Speaker 1: to tread dangerous territory with Muldoon to turn the power on,
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  Speaker 1: arguing with Hammond about sexism and survival situations when he
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  Speaker 1: says he's really the one that should be going. With
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  Speaker 1: the help of Muldoon and later Ian, she is able
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  Speaker 1: to sprint through a jungle while being hunted by raptors,
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  Speaker 1: turn on the power, and then escape said raptors when
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  Speaker 1: it turns out they are in the power station. One
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  Speaker 1: in particular, A lot of people make mention of the
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  Speaker 1: fact she loses her pink over shirt during the scene.
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  Speaker 1: I never really thought anything of that, but huh. Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: She reunites with Alan and together they are all able
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  Speaker 1: to escape the park. Into first movie, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: briefly over her appearances and the other ones. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: nearly as familiar with that, but I have seen all
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  Speaker 1: of them. Ellie briefly reappears in Jurassic Park three, when
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  Speaker 1: it's revealed she married a man from the State Department
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  Speaker 1: and they have two kids together. A part of the
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  Speaker 1: reason she and Alan didn't work out is implied to
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  Speaker 1: be their disagreement about having kids and that he loves dinosaurs. First,
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  Speaker 1: she had become a children's writer. I really don't remember that,
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  Speaker 1: but that's what I read. She and Alan were still friends, however,
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  Speaker 1: and he's stopped by Ellie's house regularly and knew her
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  Speaker 1: husband and kids. They knew him. She helped save Alan
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  Speaker 1: during the events of Jurassic Park three. Basically he calls
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  Speaker 1: her and is like, send everyone. She next appeared cinematically,
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  Speaker 1: at least in Jurassic World Dominion, where we see her
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  Speaker 1: doing research on swarms of giant genetically engineered locust eating crops.
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  Speaker 1: She discovers the big bad Evil Company is responsible, sets
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  Speaker 1: out to prove what they're doing, joining up with Alan
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  Speaker 1: and Ian and later all the new crew. They're able
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  Speaker 1: to escape and they go to DC to testify about
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  Speaker 1: what they've learned Ellie befriends both Maizie and Claire, and
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  Speaker 1: I didn't mention this in our recent Disaster Women in
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  Speaker 1: Disaster Movies episode, where I did talk about Claire's character
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  Speaker 1: for a bit. There's the whole heel gate where she
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  Speaker 1: wore heels while she was in the jungle and running
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  Speaker 1: from t rex. I feel like you all know about that,
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't really need to talk about it. Plus,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of complicated because Bryce Dallis Howard said she
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  Speaker 1: wanted to hold onto that piece of femininity of Claire,
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  Speaker 1: and who am I to say? But there was kind
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  Speaker 1: of a smaller similar issue with this with Ellie where
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  Speaker 1: Laura Dern said she made the choice to not wear
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  Speaker 1: makeup in this movie as sort of a feminist choice.
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  Speaker 1: I think those are both sort of a murky murky
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  Speaker 1: shoes that we've talked about in other episodes. But I
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  Speaker 1: did want to mention that. Okay, so I want to
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  Speaker 1: break down some stuff with this character. I do think
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  Speaker 1: the timing of this movie is interesting of a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the movies we've been talking about. It's sort of
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  Speaker 1: the nineties during third wave feminism, and she was while
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  Speaker 1: there was a lot of flirting with her with doctor
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  Speaker 1: Ian Malcolm a little bit with Alan in the first
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  Speaker 1: movie specifically, she's never quite the love interest. She does
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  Speaker 1: her share of the rescuing, like she rescues Ian, she
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  Speaker 1: helps rescue Alan, and she has a few pretty choice
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  Speaker 1: lines like dinosaur eats man, woman inherits the Earth. And then,
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  Speaker 1: as I said, we can discuss sexism in survival situations later,
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  Speaker 1: as I mentioned in that disaster women in Disaster Film's episode,
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  Speaker 1: they are scientists, not action heroes. I remember being so
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  Speaker 1: impressed with her whole scene turning on the power when
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  Speaker 1: she's like running from the raptor in the jungle. She
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  Speaker 1: gets in and she cries, but it doesn't feel weak.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like which is how it's often portrayed. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think crying is weak, but I feel like it's
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  Speaker 1: offen portrayed as like all this woman is crying. But
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  Speaker 1: it felt very much more like this release of she jumped,
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  Speaker 1: done this dangerous, amazing thing and survive and then escaping
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  Speaker 1: the raptor after that, and speaking to that point, she
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  Speaker 1: does have moments of vulnerability and emotion, but it's not,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, portrayed this week, and in fact, it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of portrayed is powerful at the point where she
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  Speaker 1: breaks down Hammond's kind of flimsy defense where he's talking
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  Speaker 1: about why he wanted to make this park, why he
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  Speaker 1: wanted it to be real, and she's like, no, it
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  Speaker 1: was all an illusion. You bought into it, so did I,
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  Speaker 1: and now people are in danger because of it, and
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  Speaker 1: that ultimately is what convinses him to change his mind.
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  Speaker 1: So I always liked that about her. She doesn't lose
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  Speaker 1: that piece of what's traditionally coded as feminine, but it
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  Speaker 1: feels powerful that she has those moments and that they
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  Speaker 1: feel genuine. Another thing is this whole conversation the choice
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  Speaker 1: of having kids, because she does ultimately decide to be
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  Speaker 1: sort of a stay at home mom, and her and
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  Speaker 1: Alan don't pursue a relationship because he doesn't want kids,
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  Speaker 1: but neither of them are demonized for her choices. And
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  Speaker 1: this was something that they had been open with since
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  Speaker 1: the first film. And I think that is key, going
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: back to how what we talked about with Claire in
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  Speaker 1: the New Jurassic World and how she's sort of demonized
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  Speaker 1: for not wanting kids. Alan's not demonized for not wanting kids.
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  Speaker 1: She's not demonized for wanting kids. We could argue, like
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  Speaker 1: if the positions had been swapped, who's to say, But
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like she like was lesser in any
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  Speaker 1: way or he was lesser in any way, and they
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  Speaker 1: were they were pretty equal partners in this. That being said,
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  Speaker 1: she does end up with Alan later and it's sort
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  Speaker 1: of It brought up a lot of conversations about the
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  Speaker 1: age gap between Sam Neil and Laura Dern, who is
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  Speaker 1: twenty years and I think Laura Dern was twenty five
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  Speaker 1: for the first one, So it feels not great that
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  Speaker 1: they're kind of ending up together. And yeah, there's been
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  Speaker 1: a lot of discussion about that and how a lot
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: of what the new ones have done kind of feels
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  Speaker 1: like it's going backwards in terms of that. But that
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  Speaker 1: is a conversation people were having. I also wanted to
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  Speaker 1: do a brief mention of lex who is the young
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  Speaker 1: teenage girl, the vegetarian hacker in this who does save
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  Speaker 1: the day. Ultimately, she uses her reacting skills to get
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  Speaker 1: them all out of there. She has a very brave
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: moment where she saves her brother in that kitchen. That's
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  Speaker 1: the scariest scene to me. I would say she's kind
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  Speaker 1: of portrayed as a bit of a joke, but between
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  Speaker 1: her and Tim, I feel like they're evenly balanced and
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  Speaker 1: who gets to do the saving, who gets to do
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  Speaker 1: the like knowledgeable thing, and ultimately, yeah, she does save
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  Speaker 1: the day. So I always liked that as a kid,
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: going back to the all the dinosaurs or women thing,
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  Speaker 1: so they can't breed in the wild. I did find
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  Speaker 1: a whole article about the clever Girl trope of when
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  Speaker 1: Muldoon is tracking these raptors and he's like this seasoned
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  Speaker 1: hunter and they trick him and get him and kill him.
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  Speaker 1: That's also a disturbing scene, and he says the last thing.
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  Speaker 1: He says it's clever girl. But they were talking about
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  Speaker 1: the power of women coming together, working together and getting
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  Speaker 1: stuff done. Also, I do want to say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how realistic. A lot it's not really
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  Speaker 1: very realistic, but it was an example of women in
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  Speaker 1: stem with Lex and Ellie, and a pretty pretty powerful one,
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  Speaker 1: a pretty solid one. I feel like, going back to
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  Speaker 1: what I said about Ellie, when she digs into that
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  Speaker 1: mountain of sh it's just she just does it. She
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  Speaker 1: just does it because it's part of her job and
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  Speaker 1: no one questions it, and I'd never really noticed this before,
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  Speaker 1: but I do love that someone was like Ian is
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  Speaker 1: the damsel in distressing this one in his famous pose
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  Speaker 1: where he's like kind of sexually laid out with his
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  Speaker 1: shirt open. She's the one that saved him. While at
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  Speaker 1: the same time, Alan, who's the other main male character
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  Speaker 1: in this equation, is the one who's protecting the kids.
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  Speaker 1: So I thought that was interesting. But all of that
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  Speaker 1: being said, that brings us to the teaser I promised
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  Speaker 1: about the cards. So I collected these cards when I
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  Speaker 1: was a kid, and on the front I did a
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  Speaker 1: very artistic glow in the dark crown illustration about how
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  Speaker 1: much I loved dressing park. This is all true, but
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  Speaker 1: I found it and then I didn't really look into it.
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  Speaker 1: But my friend when she visited, was like, let's read
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  Speaker 1: the back of these cards, and boy am I glad
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  Speaker 1: she recommended that, So we're going to read it now.
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  Speaker 1: So here is the back of Ellie's card. Doctor Ellie's
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  Speaker 1: Sadler is a paleobotanist, late twenties, athletic looking, ambitious and impatient.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Satler also has her domestic side, obviously in love
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  Speaker 1: with Grant. She wants to marry him, and I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, oh okay, Well, let us compare that
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  Speaker 1: with what it says in the back of Malcolm's card.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Iam Malcolm is a mathematician, chaotician, and hipster dresser
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  Speaker 1: all black clothes, sunglasses, snake skin boots. Malcolm believes that
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  Speaker 1: the interaction of systems on Jurassic Park and the unknowns
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  Speaker 1: of bioengineering are too complex and therefore bound to fail.
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  Speaker 1: So much less settled down, get married. And then here
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  Speaker 1: is Alan Grant, palaeontologists thirty ish, intensely focused on his work,
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  Speaker 1: less so on his appearance. This is doctor Alan Grant.
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  Speaker 1: He's I could looking and used to roughing it after
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  Speaker 1: long stretches in the desert digging up dinosaur bones. Grant
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  Speaker 1: doesn't like kids, which is a problem for his girlfriend
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  Speaker 1: slash partner, doctor Ellie's Satler. I could go on and on.
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  Speaker 1: There are some real gems in here, but I did
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  Speaker 1: think that was sort of It didn't surprise me, but
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  Speaker 1: it was sort of annoying because here I am singing
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  Speaker 1: the praises of this character, and in the merchandise, she's
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  Speaker 1: still reduced too. She wants to have kids and get
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  Speaker 1: married with this guy. And he is described as someone
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  Speaker 1: who's really into his work and it doesn't matter how
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: he looks. I don't know about that. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: about that, but yes, that is what I have to
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  Speaker 1: say about this for now. I'm sure I will come
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  Speaker 1: back and read some more of these cards, because they
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  Speaker 1: really there's some good ones in here. But all right,
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  Speaker 1: in the meantime, please let us know if you have
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  Speaker 1: any suggestions. Like I said, I know that you all
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  Speaker 1: have sent some in. There is a list. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: because I'm by myself. I'm doing some of the ones
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  Speaker 1: that will be more contained and that I know a
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  Speaker 1: lot about. But there. I love these suggestions, so please
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