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Patriots Unfiltered 1/23: Coordinator Hires, Conference Championship Picks, Fred's 30th Anniversary · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: The World's a Pigeon podcast Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 3: Game Management Coordinator, which is becoming a lot more popular
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  Speaker 3: than teams have somebody with that title on.
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  Speaker 2: Calling Paul, you shouldn't be that person, but you should
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  Speaker 2: start a training school for those people.
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  Speaker 4: Why shouldn't I be that person?
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  Speaker 2: No, you'd be the Tom House of training. Yeah, in
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  Speaker 2: game decisions.
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  Speaker 4: Now. I don't think people grow up thinking, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I really want to be in life. I want
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  Speaker 4: to be a time a game management coordinator.
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  Speaker 2: Parcells says, listen to me. Everybody has a price. My
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  Speaker 2: wife has a price, and if the price is good enough,
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  Speaker 2: she's gone.
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  Speaker 5: But that's a tough line about your wife, man, I
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't I want to.
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  Speaker 2: I know he's the one that said my wife doesn't
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  Speaker 4: But they're a playoff team if the quarterback is healthy.
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  Speaker 2: a big show coming up. We got picks, so we
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  Speaker 2: got to hurry to two games. We gotta pick.
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  Speaker 4: We'll get through.
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  Speaker 2: We got Mike, we got Evan, we got Paul. Alex
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  Speaker 4: I kind of like that, all.
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  Speaker 3: Right, just made the newsletter last week.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, the cartoons lukewarm reception.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she came around to I liked it.
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  Speaker 4: I thought it was good. I thought that was a
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  Speaker 4: good cartoon, good stuff.
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  Speaker 5: That's it's always a good joke when Ivan's thinking about
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  Speaker 5: football and Jess is wondering what is he thinking?
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  Speaker 6: But she must know you're thinking, Oh no, she's not ding.
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  Speaker 4: What's it called? Like an entertainment when you do that,
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  Speaker 4: like you have like the same punchline, you know, that's
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  Speaker 4: you use for a lot of different jokes, and it
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  Speaker 4: always gets back to the same thing.
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  Speaker 5: That's not gonna called That's not a callback? Is one?
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  Speaker 5: Like that's a but I don't know if that's what
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  Speaker 5: you're talking speaking of.
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  Speaker 2: That we were talking before the show. When you get
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  Speaker 2: rejected for a job in like Hollywood, Like, what what
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  Speaker 2: do they call that? What do they call the piece
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  Speaker 2: of paper that they give you that they mail you?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, I don't know, a rejection slip a rejection. Let
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I was totally were pink slips because I actually literally
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  Speaker 2: have pink slips from Saturday Night Live and The Letterman Show.
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  Speaker 5: Really yeah, now, I don't know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: That's you guys. You guys are peppering me with I
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  Speaker 6: don't think.
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  Speaker 2: Also, as Paul said, when you get fired, you get.
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  Speaker 5: A pink slip, you know, right, you know, yeah, it
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  Speaker 5: sounds right.
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  Speaker 6: No, I wouldn't know.
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  Speaker 2: I only uh, only gut jobs.
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  Speaker 4: So it's so it's not a Hollywood thing that Fred,
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  Speaker 4: you know, maybe just special for you guys.
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  Speaker 5: Had heard, but those might be creative jobs. And I
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  Speaker 5: was more at that point on the haven't.
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  Speaker 2: You heard people say I have a drawer full of
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  Speaker 2: pink slips when I was looking for jobs?
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  Speaker 5: No, not really.
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  Speaker 4: I mean Mike was in charge of handing out the pink.
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  Speaker 6: That's that's that's probably pretty cool.
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  Speaker 4: He was crushing dreams. No, I mean, it's not not chasing,
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  Speaker 4: it's not being an.
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  Speaker 5: Actor and having to go on counless auditions and just you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, everybody everybody in LA thinks they're an actor or
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  Speaker 3: right screen, they're like your waitress, your uber driver, you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: what do you do? I'm an actor?
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  Speaker 2: Would you like an appen? Would you like to look
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  Speaker 2: at my script?
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  Speaker 6: A special st that's it. That's it. But that's also
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  Speaker 6: I say business.
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  Speaker 5: One of the cool things about that I liked living
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  Speaker 5: about out there, you know, initially, was just there are
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  Speaker 5: a lot of people out there chasing their dreams and
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  Speaker 5: trying to do stuff like that, whether they're musicians or
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  Speaker 5: actors or screenwriters. So you do meet a lot of
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  Speaker 5: people like that who have you know, left their hometown
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  Speaker 5: and are trying for something, and a lot of them
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  Speaker 5: end up moving back to their hometown, most of them.
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  Speaker 2: I mean.
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  Speaker 3: It does bring a nice creative energy to the area though,
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  Speaker 3: because everybody's kind of you know, trying to make it
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  Speaker 3: and has, like some.
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  Speaker 2: Be exhausting after a while. Just like everybody you talk
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  Speaker 2: to is like, well, I'm you know, waiting tables, but
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  Speaker 2: I really want it. You know.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you go into like any coffee shop at ten
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  Speaker 5: am on a Tuesday.
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  Speaker 6: When most people are at work, and it's just packed
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  Speaker 6: with you know, people like, where are you people do?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's for a callback, that's there.
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  Speaker 2: You go, all right, So what's on people's minds something
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  Speaker 2: that is on my mind. And I know we've talked
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  Speaker 2: about it before and he has talked about it before,
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  Speaker 2: but Tom Brady had again statements about the quarterback protections
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  Speaker 2: in the league and how he's very strong about you know,
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  Speaker 2: once you become a runner, you should lose those protections.
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  Speaker 2: It's just not fair to the defense. And I you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think most people agree with that. But I understand
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  Speaker 2: like the need to protect the quarterback and the ability
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  Speaker 2: to still be able to give yourself up. But I
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  Speaker 2: think maybe you tweak that sliding role rule a little
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  Speaker 2: bit because it really is unfair. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: anyone else heard what he had to say yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't hear what Brady had to say, but yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I mean I largely I would agree with the premise.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think you can still allow quarterbacks to slide,
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  Speaker 4: but can maybe they not be so willing to throw
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  Speaker 4: the flag if there's contact, you know, and I think
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  Speaker 4: that there were times that they did that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: even in the playoffs. This week we were talking about
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  Speaker 4: you know, Lamar Jackson took a couple of hits. But
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  Speaker 4: I feel like people look at it as Mahomes is
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  Speaker 4: afforded protection that like Drake May didn't get when he
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  Speaker 4: slid late and got a concussion against the Jets, he
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  Speaker 4: didn't get the penalty. Yeah, does anybody doubt that Mahomes
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  Speaker 4: would have gotten a penalty on that same kind of
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  Speaker 4: a play.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the helmet's read so like it showed.
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  Speaker 4: That's good. You can see it. It's a good point.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good point.
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  Speaker 5: Now, I did see Mahomes, I think too, said you know,
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  Speaker 5: I shouldn't have done that a little bit earlier. Today
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  Speaker 5: you walk back his his diving a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: But I agree.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I think I just think it's funny coming
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  Speaker 5: from Brady, who I think a lot of people attribute
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  Speaker 5: to him being the quarterback where a lot of these
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  Speaker 5: protections started to go.
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  Speaker 2: He ran four times in his career, afforded this protection. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you didn't need it.
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  Speaker 4: You were in the pocket, and they wouldn't And by
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  Speaker 4: the way, they changed a rule for you right in
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  Speaker 4: the pocket.
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  Speaker 6: Well, that's what I mean.
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  Speaker 5: Like he was kind of the start of the influx
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  Speaker 5: of rules to really protect the quarterbacks right before or
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  Speaker 5: two thousand and one, two thousand and three, you know,
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  Speaker 5: those areas it was kind of free for all mean,
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  Speaker 5: some of those hits you see on some of these quarterbacks,
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  Speaker 5: now get it.
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  Speaker 2: You're in the problem, your eyes are fixed down field,
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  Speaker 2: you're in a vulnerable position. Plus you're the most important
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  Speaker 2: player on you know, whatever team it is. So I
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  Speaker 2: get the behind the line of scrimmage protection when throwing,
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  Speaker 2: but I agree when you're when you're running, you become
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  Speaker 2: a runner. Now, I still believe that the quarterbacks should
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  Speaker 2: have the ability to give themselves up.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't have to be said you can keep the slide.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't even have to be a slide if
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  Speaker 2: you go down the ground. But maybe they tweak the
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  Speaker 2: rule to say you have to give yourself up with
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  Speaker 2: at least five yards between you and the nearest defender.
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  Speaker 4: So that's how you're going to adjudicate.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I know, I know, but I'm just trying to
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  Speaker 2: think of ways to still give the ability for the
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  Speaker 2: quarterback to give themselves up and but still have to
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  Speaker 2: give the defense some chance. Like you're going at full speed.
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  Speaker 2: Quarterbacks going at full speed, and all of a sudden
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  Speaker 2: he goes down, and like, how do you stop yourself?
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  Speaker 2: Admit it?
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  Speaker 4: You know, And that's why I say you can allow
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  Speaker 4: the guy to slide, but you need to be a
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  Speaker 4: little bit more lenient for the defenders when they make
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  Speaker 4: contact on those.
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  Speaker 5: Situations, not so much to the what als Shazier is
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  Speaker 5: that the guy's name from Houston there? Oh no, you know,
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  Speaker 5: but it's hard. I mean, you feel for the defenders.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, like I said, like last show, so many
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  Speaker 5: of the rules have been for offense and to try
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  Speaker 5: to make these protect these quarterbacks, and you know, at
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  Speaker 5: some point it has to come back a little bit
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  Speaker 5: just to give them a little bit of leeway because
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  Speaker 5: it's you know, it's all for the quarterbacks. Now, like
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  Speaker 5: you know, Mahomes kind of knows what he's doing. He's
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  Speaker 5: kind of taking advantage of it. So I'm a defense guy.
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  Speaker 3: Like to say, I don't like that Mahomes takes advantage
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  Speaker 3: of it. But I do like the protections on the
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  Speaker 3: quarterback because I'm not here to watch your backup quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: True, you know, I'm not here.
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  Speaker 4: That's why it's there.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not here in the the NFC Championship game on Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: If Jayden Daniels gets hurt, We're all going to be bumped.
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  Speaker 2: What I don't like is, you know, the defensive player
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  Speaker 2: going in with We talked about this with arms to
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  Speaker 2: the side, helmet for like a missile. He's going for
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  Speaker 2: a hit rather than a tackle. Now I get it.
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  Speaker 2: I forget what it might have been. Brady again talking
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  Speaker 2: about listen, you want to jar the ball loose. You're
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  Speaker 2: not gonna do that by just waving at the guy.
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  Speaker 2: You need to hit him to try to jar the
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  Speaker 2: ball loose. So it's a tough.
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  Speaker 5: One unless you're trying to inflict punishment on the quarterback
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  Speaker 5: and you know, get a hit on him. And I
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  Speaker 5: mean those places we've talked about a lot. Those players
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  Speaker 5: are so frustrating. When you got great coverage on a
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  Speaker 5: third and twelve and it looks, oh, we got him,
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  Speaker 5: we got him, and then you know he just squeaks out.
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  Speaker 5: Those are those are really hard ones for the defense.
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  Speaker 3: It's funny though, delictit to Brady talk about it, because
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  Speaker 3: he talked about it, said something about it in the
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  Speaker 3: game the other day. They called a design quarterback run
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  Speaker 3: on like a third down and he's like, I don't
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  Speaker 3: like those calls. I don't like running the quarterback. And
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  Speaker 3: it's like, well, because you didn't run, Like yeah, this
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  Speaker 3: is Jalen Hurts like you know whoever. It was like
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  Speaker 3: that's part of his game. Like he's a running quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: So every once in a while and third and four,
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  Speaker 3: they're going to call a quarterback draw and he's gonna
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  Speaker 3: run the ball. So I just I look at it though,
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  Speaker 3: and I do agree with a lot of what Deuce
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  Speaker 3: is saying and that you know, this is not going away.
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  Speaker 3: Like these quarterbacks in college, they all are mobile, they
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  Speaker 3: all can run. They all running offenses where that feature
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  Speaker 3: their running ability. So it's all coming up. You know,
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  Speaker 3: Jaden Daniels and Drake May and Caleb and those guys
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  Speaker 3: are just the start. This is going to be Every
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  Speaker 3: quarterback from here on out is going to have some
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  Speaker 3: sort of running element. So this is gonna be a
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  Speaker 3: big part of the game.
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  Speaker 4: And it's just like another thing that's different. You know, Fred,
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  Speaker 4: when you and I, you know, we're watching football when
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  Speaker 4: we were younger, weather helmets, you know, I mean, everybody
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  Speaker 4: ran the ball predominantly, but when they threw it, it
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  Speaker 4: was almost all down the field. Yeah, you know, Stanley
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  Speaker 4: Morgan averaged twenty yards a catch for like his career, right,
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  Speaker 4: you know, did people say when Joe Montana started the
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  Speaker 4: West Coast offense, and it was all dunk and dunk
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  Speaker 4: and timing stuff that, well, that's that's not fair, Like
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  Speaker 4: the defenders are too far back and they're just taking it.
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  Speaker 4: It's just it's just it's another way to outthink, right,
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  Speaker 4: what other with your opponents trying to do? And now
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  Speaker 4: almost everybody has a quote unquote efficient passing game. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: if you're under say sixty five percent completion percentage, you
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  Speaker 4: had a really bad year, or you're one of the
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  Speaker 4: few that actually does throw the ball downfield. Evan will
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  Speaker 4: give you his epas and whatnot, but everybody does that now,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like is that not fair? Like like, could
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  Speaker 4: Joey Bosa go back? I always go back to that
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  Speaker 4: Joey Bosa quote from the eighteen Divisional round. He's like
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  Speaker 4: I kept getting there in a second and the ball
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  Speaker 4: was already gone. Like is that not fair to the
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  Speaker 4: defensive Linelan right that Brady was so good and so
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  Speaker 4: smart and so well prepared that the ball was out
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  Speaker 4: before any defenders could get to him. Right, of course not.
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  Speaker 2: He was better than you, yep.
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  Speaker 4: And as Evan said, like you know, Jalen hurts and
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  Speaker 4: Jayden Daniels, They're going to be running all over the
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  Speaker 4: place on Sunday. Both of those guys and.
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  Speaker 2: The more slight quarterbacks run the risk of getting hurt more.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Josh Allen has more bulk to him.
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  Speaker 2: He invites contact and Lamar Jaccent has a different style
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  Speaker 2: where he is able to, you know, for the most part,
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  Speaker 2: avoid contact when he runs. So you're gonna have to
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  Speaker 2: develop your style as a quarterback. But that's up to you.
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  Speaker 2: And as Brady said, you need to learn to protect yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Don't don't count on the rules to protect your protect yourself.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's a really fascinating part for the Patriots
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  Speaker 3: as we move forward because watching Lamar and watching Jayden
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  Speaker 3: Daniels last weekend, I can help but think, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Drake May got dinged up a lot, you know, as
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  Speaker 3: a rookie running around and things like that, and those
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  Speaker 3: two guys are two hundred pounds soaking west Lamar and
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  Speaker 3: they're they're kind of perfectly fine, right, you know, And
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  Speaker 3: I'm just like, how do you get to that point?
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  Speaker 3: Because being able to run the ball is such an
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  Speaker 3: advantage for Drake May that you can't just not do it,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and you can't hide that part of his
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  Speaker 3: game because you know, talking about Josh McDaniels. And I've
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  Speaker 3: had some pushback from people saying, you know, they can't
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  Speaker 3: run him like that, like it's gonna get him killed.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, if you don't, then he's playing
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  Speaker 3: left handed, like you're taking away one of his his
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  Speaker 3: real attribute sets ever strength to his So maybe he
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  Speaker 3: watches a little bit of Lamar Jackson and Jayden Daniels
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  Speaker 3: and figures out how they kind of like dance around
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  Speaker 3: contact and you know, stuff like that, because you have
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  Speaker 3: to be able to do that, like you can't hide them.
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  Speaker 2: Justin in New Hampshire says Hollywood Talk and no mention
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  Speaker 2: of the coordinator hires off season pu and full effect.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny, you know, because the news cycle is so
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  Speaker 2: fast now to us it happened so long ago. But
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  Speaker 2: he's Justin's right, we should be leading off with the
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  Speaker 2: fact that Rabel has filled out his coordinator staff.
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  Speaker 5: Yep, yep, I mean, I mean, I got a lot
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  Speaker 5: of thoughts. I just you know, it's I think my
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  Speaker 5: biggest takeaway from the last week is that these were
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  Speaker 5: just obvious, easy moves and we're in a media market
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  Speaker 5: where he can't.
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  Speaker 6: Just have easy obvious moves.
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  Speaker 5: You have to have you can't do that, you gotta
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  Speaker 5: have you know, you know, and it's it's, well, you know,
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  Speaker 5: Tom Brady carried Josh McDaniels and so he never did
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  Speaker 5: anything here and then he never did anything elsewhere either.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, meanwhile, it's like, this guy's a really
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  Speaker 5: good football coach, and I'm excited to have him back.
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  Speaker 5: I'm excited to see what he does with Drake. But
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  Speaker 5: you know, just some of the narrative, it's just everybody,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I think everything gets prefaced with like, well, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it was obviously the right choice, but let me tell
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  Speaker 5: you all the reasons why I hate it.
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's it takes nowadays. Did you post your yes? Yes?
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: So I think I would suggest people read Evans analysis
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: of mcdaniels's offenses and he I think he makes a
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: good case of what he did with Cam Newton. Now, listen,
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: Cam Newton at that point couldn't throw the ball, he
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: wasn't at his prime. But I think Josh McDaniels did
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: some things and the numbers reflect that that were positive.
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: With a lesser quarterback. Now he's got a quarterback who
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: can throw and run. So let's see, let's let's, you know,
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: port some of those numbers over to May, and I
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: think we should see some positive results.
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: I just don't think.
• 14:53
  Speaker 6: Josh is rigid.
• 14:54
  Speaker 5: You know, I have the feeling that he's willing to adjust,
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: and you know, I think that's the way the signs
• 14:59
  Speaker 5: are pointing towards. And I mean that's a lot of
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: a lot of the reporting is right now that it's
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: going to be about Drake May. You know, yesterday you
• 15:04
  Speaker 5: heard Chicago's new coach talking about it's going to be
• 15:07
  Speaker 5: about Caleb Williams. We're going to we're tearing it down
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: to the studs and we're going to build it up
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: around him. And I hope and I think that that's
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: what Josh is going to do for Drake as well.
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you just look at that Cam offense in twenty twenty,
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: and you know Cam ran in one hundred and thirty
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: seven times. Drake May is not going to run it
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty seven times. But a lot of
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: the schemes that they were running, the RPOs and things
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: like that are all right there on the film. In
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty of Josh McDaniels doing the stuff that we
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: all look at Buffalo and Josh Allen and say, why
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: not with our guy? Right, you know, why can't we
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: do some of the stuff they're doing with Joe Brady?
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: And they did it all in twenty twenty with Cam,
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: so you know, you bring that stuff in. He has
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: the traditional offense that it has been successful at different times.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: But I don't look at Josh McDaniels and say he's
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: going to try to turn Drake May into Tom Brady.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: I think he is going to do some things that
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: are different and are really not that different for him
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: going back to the Cam year, So I'm excited about it.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: I hear a lot of stuff, you know, kind of
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: along the lines of Deuce about Josh McDaniels, and I
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: don't necessarily agree with any of it. Like I think
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: that he's one of those guys that has a lot
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: of different ways that he's called offenses, a lot of
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: different things that he has shown offensively that he can do,
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: and hopefully the Cam offense is like just a starting point,
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: you know, hopefully they can expand on those elements. But
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: to do that in a season where they basically didn't
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: have a training camp because of COVID and didn't have
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: a preseason. There were no preseason games that year. Cam
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: signs in July and they were up and running by
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: Week one with an option package that beat the Dolphins
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: and the opener there with Cam Newton, I mean that
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: was impressive like that, that's hard to do, yep.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: And then of course defense Terrell Williams.
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Well, Evan and I were talking a bit
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: about him. I mean, he's been available for a long time.
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: He's a long time defensive line coach. You know, I
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: think what they added to his title his last year
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: with Rabel, but I think he's a little bit of
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: an unknown commodity. And that's what Evan and I were
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: kind of talking schematically of, you know, the Belichick tree
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: and even what they ran last year, it always kind
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: of felt in line with that. But these guys in
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: Tennessee and and you know what they were doing in Detroit,
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: it's it's a little different. It's a little bit more
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: like these Foeman fronts get upfield, which you know, we
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: both were kind of saying, it's kind of appealing of
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: just playing fast, getting after it, not trying violent.
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: You know, yeah, I like I like that too, But.
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: I just I think I think he's a little bit
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: of an unknown commodity right now, to be honest.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: That's but I think it's just if you just focus
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: on defensive line. I don't know who the defensive line
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: coach will be. We don't have one yet, but I'm
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: sure he'll have input in there. And that's good news
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: for key On White, I think, you know, because it
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: sounds like he might have been unhappy with not just
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: his role, but maybe how he was being coached. I
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: don't know, but obviously if Barmore comes back, having him
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: in the in the room, I think can only help
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: those guys.
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm with you on Barber. I just I
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: still don't know where Keon White fits. It's kind the
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: same thing for two years. I just I don't know
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: in any kind of defense where he's a three down
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: kind of player, you know. I mean, I think he's
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: a good interior pass rusher on you know, sub packages,
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: but you know, if they're going to run a four
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: man front, I don't mean.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: On White can be the guy.
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: I don't think he's meant to be the guy, which
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: is unfortunate because I mean I do think he's he's
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: got some juice and you know.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Some use funds coming out of college. In college, he
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: wasn't the guy, right, Yeah, So why do we think
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: that he's going to go to a higher level and
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden become.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: The guy now?
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: But I mean probably it does happen, but it's happened,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: it's not a lot. Well. I mean, Seema was a
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Hall of Famer, but he still wasn't a high sat
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: volume guy.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, yeah, if you're talking about pass rushers,
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: it just run. I misunderstood.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I would say, you know, with the bar
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: more of it all, like if they were to go
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: more to you know, just a four man front, like
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: easy fit like barmore, get upfield like go you know,
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: like that was the big thing with him, to learn
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: him to stop the run and the two gap and
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: to do all the stuff that the Bill defense asked
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: him to do. But he's an example on the other
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: end of the spectrum for me, where yeah, that's that's
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: an easy fit for me. But at the same token,
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: who are your defensive ends? I mean everyone's pointing out
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: on Twitter, you know, the big wide nine guy, you know,
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: lining up with hand down, just going after the thing.
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: They never really had those guys, you know.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: I mean, let's make me Mark Anderson going way back
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: as somebody who you know, was kind of that come
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: on and you're just gonna put your hand down and
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: go rush the quarterback.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: But Chandler Jones that they don't have.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's close, sure, but they just
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: don't have those guys on the roster right now. So
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: that's a big question I have of what direction are
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: you going to go in? And are they going to,
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: like Paul's thing, kind of clean house a little bit
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: and re establish the personnel, or are they gonna do
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: what you know, We're gonna just try to see what
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: we have and and you know, do do our scheme
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: towards what we have right now?
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just watching back in twenty three, and I watched
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: a little bit of twenty two as well, because I
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: was surprised that they weren't playing more three four just
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: knowing Rabel's background with the Patriots and as a player
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: and everything.
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: And under Cornell and and yeah and danps too, those.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Are right, and they were playing they are playing even
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: four man down, you know, overfronts, overloads, like all those
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: types of things that those types of defenses do, and
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: they get after it. Like that's the one thing that
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: I think really was exciting to me watching even in
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: twenty three where they didn't have a good season, like
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: that defense was flying around like they were competing, they
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: were violent, they were getting up the field. Now it's
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: a little bit boom or busts right, Like they'll make
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: a play behind the line of scrimmage and then they'll
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: give up a chunk run because they're all up the field,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: and you know, if you let it go, you let
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: it go. But I do like the idea, and we
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: were talking about this earlier, dude, with the fact that
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: on early downs, if you're always penetrating, now you pass
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: rush on early downs as well as it's much easier
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: and more seamless, Whereas in a two gapping defense you
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: kind of have to read, okay, is it a run,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: is it a pass? And now we have to react,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Whereas with this defense, it seems like they're just gonna
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: let guys team off a little bit, and whether it's
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: run or pass, we're just gonna try to make plays.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: You just have to be careful because offenses aren't stupid
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: and they have you know, whether it's a blitzpeed or whatever.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: If it's a straight up pass rush, it's very easily
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: beatable these days, you know, so you have to kind
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: of mix it up. You have to confuse the quarterback
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: depending on who the guy is. You want to not
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: you want to keep him in the pocket as opposed
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: to letting him out, you know. So you just have
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: to be careful with how you're doing it. And it's
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: not one size fits all every game.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know Shane Bone is not here, so
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: he was the one calling the plays in Tennessee over
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: the last couple of years. Uh, Terrell Williams, I don't
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: think has ever called plays as a defensive coordinator. So
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: I'm interested to see how that shakes out. Like, is
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Rabel going to have influence in calling plays potentially, you know,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: with Josh running the offense, like he doesn't have to
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: have as much of an eye probably on what's going
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: on offensively. Uh, you know Stretch will be here to
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: run the clock for Paul, right.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: So like you're looking forward to meet Stretch.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe maybe Rabel is going to be really
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: involved in hands on with the defense, because that's a
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: tough part of this is you know, he's the only
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: guy and Terrell Williams who doesn't have experience calling plays
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: in the role that he's going to be in, So
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: how that shakes out is still important. I think he's
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: gonna be able to run the front, and he's gonna
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: be able to run the defensive line. But does he
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: know the secondary? Does he know coverage? Does he know
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: how to marry it up with the back end?
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Does he know all those things? It remains to be seen.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: And then of course rounding it out, Jeremy Springer is
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: the one holdover at the coordinator level, and he'll be back.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: They had a good year special teams in an overall
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: bad year for the team, so uh.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Well it was okay, they're middle of the pack.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, But I guess they saw you know, Rabel
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: must have saw something in him or was told of
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: things that he liked to hear.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: I think there's a connection with Rabel and the assistant
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: Tom Quinn. Tom Quinn, I think they had a connection.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: I think that probably was the the impetus there to
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: keep it as is. I mean, they had a pretty
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: uneven season and special chance they had kicks blocked, turns allowed.
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: I don't know what PFF grade was, PFF high.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: PFF had him too. Yeah, everybody else said middle of
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: a package.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Well, like in terms of efficiency and great is obviously
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: two different things. But I I would say with their
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: special teams, tom Quinn being involved still, it kind of
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: feels like Tom Quinn was Verbel's guy to coach special teams. Anyways,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: and so Quinnon probably vouched for Springer and said, you know,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: this guy did a good job. We should keep them.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: And so they're going to keep the nucleus together there.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: Evan and I were laughing though, we were talking about
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: the stretch guy, and I said, I'm like, imagine if
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: like Paul just loves this stretch guy, Like this stretch
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: guy is just like killing every situational thing, like no, no,
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: they're pulling out like these like random weird like they
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: took a penalty but.
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: It was the right thing to do, and balls like
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: this guy's the best.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: We're all.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: It's like impossible, so you could hire him. Professions thirty
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: thirty three seconds left, you know, first and ten from
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: the twelve. No need to spike here, right, yeah, right,
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: I agree, you're.
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: Just sitting there jump no notes, notes kids.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: This stretch guy is my favorite.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: So uh internal. We had a chance to sit down
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: with the three coordinators this morning. Were you guys there?
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: When they did that, we briefly said.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Hello, We did not go in for the interviews.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: So you didn't get a chance to listen to any
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: of the questions or answer.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: We were too much pressure on no socks.
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: We don't, you know, we want to let him do
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: his thing.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I did help, and I know you did
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: as well.
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: Well.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: I wanted One of the questions I submitted for Josh
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: is what did you take away from your visits to
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: these colleges?
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: Was that confirmed? Did that really happen with Paul?
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: And with Paul and the thing you made up?
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: You mean, oh, oh, you know, so I just, you know,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it got to ask, so I haven't.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: But those will be on patriot dot com today and
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: other platforms.
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: Now I'm gonna nerd out for a second.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: But like just getting the chance to see Rabel and
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: McDaniel's like back in the in the Elvis and the
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: Patriots stuff, I'm like, all right, let's go, let's go.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: We got our boys back.
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: We got our guys a little but well, you know,
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: we saw Rabel the other morning, comes in with you know,
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: his his vable outfit which no, you know he's got
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: a style the windbreaker with no sleeves and the tight
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: shirt underneath, but you know, had the had the elvis
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: on and yeah, it was back home, buddy, back home,
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: welcome home.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Talking a little fourth down with Josh for two seconds.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: But you know he's he's ready to go. It's good
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: to see him.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: I say, thought we should.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: Josh looked great, he's lost some weight.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: He turned down and shave ready to go. Yeah, yep,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: all right, so exciting times here and now I guess
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: the next step is to fill out the rest of
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: the assistance. Now that you have your coordinators, I'm sure
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: they'll have input on who they hire.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: Ah, your line coach, right, biggest, biggest hire. It's a
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: big hire.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: It's a big higher What is what assistant or position
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: coach is filled? Right now?
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: Do we have any There was a report of a
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: running back.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: It was with the Jets this past season. He apparently
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: the report is that he's gonna have the same role
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: with the Patriots. So he's going to coach running backs
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: with the Patriots, but as of right now, there's some
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: you know, Twitter rumor type stuff that I don't think.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Is so the only position right now reportedly filled is
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: running back.
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, reportally Yeah yeah. I mean, I don't know.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Maybe we'll see how these games go this weekend and
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: maybe you'll get another florry, but I assume they're going
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: to get the coordinators in position. And now these guys
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: are interviewing right and now is when it really starts
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: to come together.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: I just think it's refreshing that clearly the because of
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: the types of coaches these guys are, they all have connections,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: and they all have like people lined up for a
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: lot of these positions ahead of time. And it's not
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: like last year where they interviewed twelve different offensive coordinator
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: candidates and you know, had guys kind of leave them
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: at the altar a little bit there with Nick Kaylee
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that. Like this has all been pretty seamless.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: And Terrell William's clearly a Rabel guy being with him
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: in Tennessee, and you know, we all know about Josh McDaniels,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: but it just feels like it's, you know, you have
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: that networking ability with this group, and I think that
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: you're going to see some familiar faces on the on
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: the staff, especially offensively, Like I'm sure Josh is calling
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: all the whole band to get it back together.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: I wonder is a lot of the guys that were
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: here earlier that maybe some of the ones that went
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: to the Raiders with them they come back. Yeah, I
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: think so, I don't know's you know.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: I would assume Bohart agree Micklembardy. I mean if I
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: would call Carmen Bricelo yesterday, like please come back and
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: coach the offensive line. So he's with the Giants, he's
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: their offensive line.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: So do you have to give him a promotion to
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: get him over here? Is the under cont They don't.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: The other team wouldn't have to give you permission, right
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: unless it's a promotion.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that that will be interesting. I don't usually
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: they don't count like run game coordinator or something like
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: that as the promotion. It's just coordinator would be the promotion.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: So I who they hire for offensive line coach to
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: me is the biggest hire left.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's asat one. I agree, that's a critical one.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: It's a critical one because those guys have to Dante
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: play together.
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: I wish I know, well, I mean just I mean
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: I said it the other day. I mean, this is
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: I've been here, what five seasons now, There's been a
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: different offensive line coach every single year I've been here.
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: I mean Michael and Winu came here twenty twenty. He's
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: had a different o line coach every single year he's
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: been here. They got to find a way to break that,
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: and I mean, hopefully this year they land with that
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: offensive or offensive line coach that can stick around and
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: you know, really build something. That's what I was hoping
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: last year with Peters, that you know that this would
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: be the guy and you know he's a young guy
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: and it's getting his.
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: Chance, and you know, it didn't work out, pedigree and
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: all that.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: It's crazy, though, the Bengals hire both the offensive line
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: coach and the defensive line coach from the Patriots, both
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: who you know, were kind of under a lot of
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: you know, flak this year for not great performance. But
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: they they jumped right on them. So I guess we'll
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: see how the boy Sweet Lou went to the Colts.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was. It's interesting that you didn't get
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: hired by Ben Johnson. I know there was a big
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: connection there between the two of them going back to Miami,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: but it seemed like Dennis Allen's head coaching experience is
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: what put him over the top. To give him to
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: to Ben Johnson.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: I think that's a good move. Yeah, I mean sweet
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: Little would have been too. I'm not saying he wouldn't
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: have been. I mean they had a terrible year. I'm
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: not sugarcoating, and clearly, you know, you know, he didn't
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: have any answers. I know it's largely on personnel, but
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: it seems like they have better personnel than those results indicated.
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: Strange and that happens though a guy was very respected
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: and you know, had a couple of good years and
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: you know, and that wasn't like it was this complex
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: crazy defen.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: I mean it was they kind of do what they
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: really really struggled all year.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: I hate when that happens because it's it's so clear
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: that Zach Taylor needed a head to roll for the
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: fact that they didn't make the playoffs, and he somehow,
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: you know, skated and didn't lose his job. So it's
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: like someone's got to pay for the fact that we
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: missed the playoffs with Joe Burrow and it ends up
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: being a really good coach.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: Someone was forget who I heard it, but you know
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: talking about like changing coordinators, and you know, you know,
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: the Eagles changed their coordinators, and like the Eagles fired
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: their coordinators and moved on to two different ones. That's
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: not the same thing.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: It's like.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: The Lions losing Ben Jonson and Aaron Glenn was the premise.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: You know, you don't know, you can lose your coordinate.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: But they didn't lose him.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: On purpose, right, They wanted to keep those They wanted
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: to keep them.
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: In the defensive lane. Coach, I mean, really interesting to see.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: Whats gonna happen to Detroit next year?
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: Well, I think the offensive coordinator is going to be
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: the guy that wean Yeah, I can't close. Yeah, that's
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: the chance. It seems like that one would be because
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: that's the one that got the Patriots in last year.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Get your fingers out, because that windows really fast.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, they're really.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: Talented team that windows not closed.
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: I mean, Detroit, you got all the pie done.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: I'm okay, yeah, but you're very consistent with this. You're
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: not just like you hate Dan Campbell. I think he
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: has no I don't hate I liked him. I don't
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: ever thinks it's all about motivation, and I think you're
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: very consistent. This is not criticism at all.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: So what's my what? What's my motivation? According to Paul Parillo.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: Jared Goff had a bad game in a big stage,
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: so he can never recover from.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: That, right right, thank you? He was never that good.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: Let me know who else you need me to analyze?
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: He and he and uh, what's his name? From the Vikings?
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Donald Donald is a reason.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but Donald didn't have like six good years in
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: a row like Donald had six good weeks in a
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: row and then he turned into a pumpkin now. And plus,
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: I don't think that Donald is done either. I think
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: he'll come back next year. Now. Will he play as
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: well as he did under Kevin O'Connell. Probably not. They
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: had clearly that's at least partly due to a great system,
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: justin Jeffers.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: That's as as the Lions Jordan Adison.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: These guys are kind of good.
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: A lot of talent there though.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: I mean that's but that team is too good to
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: just fall apart. I'm not telling you they're gonna win
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: the super Bowl next year, but they're not going to
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: fall apart.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: I don't know what their free agent class looks like.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: A lot of guys now, no key guys that are
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: that are free They have some role guys here and there.
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: I know there.
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: I just can't say his name on Zorki. Some of
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: the defensive lineman, I don't know, but he's you know,
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: just having played under our new defensive coordinator.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: I mean there's a chance that the team that they
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: put on the field there's a lot better just by
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: pure health. I mean, they lost so many guys.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Prediction time will tribute to have a full back this
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: year on the roster, Yes.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: Yes, Will it be like a traditional true fullback or
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: will be Jahean Bell playing fullback?
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: That could go either way. I Jacob Johnson's just kicking
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: around waiting for the phone call at this point. But
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: I I would say that there's a couple of guys
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: in this draft to that boom that play full back
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: that not skataboo but that or maybe more on your
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: your side of things, Paul, that can catch them and
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: be a little bit more athletic at that position. Uh,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: the kid from Alabama who I'm blanking.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: On more athletic than Scataboo.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Well, skaboos are running.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: I know he's pretty athletic, Yeah, but he.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Doesn't play full back.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: It's like five eight he could, yeah, but he goes
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: about thirty eight or he's not tall squad.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: But I just coder with some respect with Josh.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: I mean, in response to I love when you hate
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: your question Fred that you had for Matt for Josh
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: was you know, did he evolve a little bit and
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: does he still see the full back the same way
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: he did? And I'd say blocking tight end too as
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: part of that. I mean, maybe it's the same player,
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: but has he evolved does Drake May's potential make him think?
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: I'm curious to see how it looks because now you know,
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: when you guys are all talking about the different things,
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: I would agree that he has been very flexible when
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: it comes to game plans. I think that Bill was
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: a game plan guy to his core, and Josh did
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: a really good job of as Evan pointed out with
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: Cam Newton as the example, but he did a really
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: good job of that throughout his time with the Patriots,
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: of being able to win games in a variety of
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: different ways with different plans and different you know, focuses
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: with the offense. I'm less convinced that he is as
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: flexible with his system and that I'm really going to
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: be interested in. I kind of wish we had a
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: chance to maybe have a little small talk with.
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: Him to you hugged him. Maybe less hugging.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Let's keep that off the air, let's keep that off
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: Welcome back.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean there's that's that is now two coaches
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: that I've hugged publicly now in the last two weeks
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: of the Ills. It's not given my back, Like, wow,
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: they actually called me Sunshine dot com.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: There's just so many advantages to the full back from
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: a blocking perspective in the run game that I mean,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: I'm a big fullback guy, so I love the full back.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: But there's just so many different advantages that that brings
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: to the table that I think are are good advantages
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: that go beyond just all we're just going to run
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: it downhill at people and stuff like that. I mean,
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: he's far from the only guy that that utilizes a
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: full back that's a great offensive coach. I mean, the
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Rams do it, the forty nine ers do it, the
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Dolphins do it. Like all those trees that we all
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: are obsessed with, they all do it too.
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: So you think, uh, I just thought of this throwing
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: it off for the group, you know, with you know,
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: when Brady was here and you put the full back in,
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: they're going to run the ball. But do you think
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: that like Drake May's ability to run the ball as well,
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: Like it just gives them a little bit more variation
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: on that where you know, you know, you're if the
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: fullbacks out there with Brady, he's probably handing off to
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: the running then they're you know, running ball or whatever.
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: But you know, with Drake, I don't know. It just
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: gives you a little bit more options to play with.
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: I feel like with the full back maybe you could
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: be a little bit less predictable with.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: But they're gonna run it well unless I'll see you
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: with the full back like Yaka Johnson, they're gonna run
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: it right. If it's James Devlin, they're going to run it.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: Now if they have a guy like Evan like you know,
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: some of these more versatile guys, the Chargers, I would
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: put in that category. They have a couple of different
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: size and ship to those guys and the Ravens guy
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: is a defensive lineman, but he's a behemoth. Yeah, he's great,
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: and they're gonna run, and you kind of know the
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: Ravens are gonna run anyway.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: But they even though they ran it a lot with
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: the fullback on the field that they're they're action passing
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: was so effective with the full back on the field too,
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: And that's a big part of it as well as
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: just you can mimic the same run plays. You know,
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: the blocking schemes look exactly the same to the defense,
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: and that's what pulls guys out of passing lanes and
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: displaces defenders to open play action. And some of the
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: cam stuff that they did in twenty twenty where it
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: was just Cam and the full back and the backfield,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: now the full back is like a lead blocker for
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: a quarterback run or something like that. I thought those
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: are really nice and creative, Like now you're all sorts
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: of numbers advantages to the play side because you have
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: a lead blocker and then Cam's plus one, Like, you
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: have all sorts of advantages when you do stuff like that.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: So I just I can't imagine that a Josh McDaniel's
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: offense won't have a full back. I think that's a.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Lock Mark and fall. River writes in at podcasts at
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Patriots dot Com he's excited about the new hires, he
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: has questions on both sides of the ball. Mike, my
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: memory of the Titans defense is Jeffrey Simmons being a centerpiece,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: aside from the questions about his health. Do you think
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Christian baum Wore can play a similar role?
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: Uh?
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: Not really, to be honest, I mean, I like Christian Barmore,
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: but I just I see him a little bit different,
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: a little bit different than than Simmons, who, like I said,
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think Simmons can do it all, and
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: I think Barmore is still a little bit of a
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: work in progress against the run. That they switch schemes, maybe,
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: but I don't know. I see Simmons as a as
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: more of a just every down impact run impact, the
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: passing game, just a nightmare inside. But maybe with a
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: scheme shift maybe, But I would say not really, Okay,
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: I'd still want to target a guy, you know, put.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Him in that three technique, like, yeah, you know Jeffrey Simmons,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: Like when you put him at the three technique, you
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: just let him get up the field and not worry
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: about gap integrity and pocket integrity and all that stuff,
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: and just maybe, you know, I think that that would
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: be a good role for him. For Christian Barber, I
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: do too.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: I understand what Mike is saying. I just I don't
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: know that I'm willing to say that Barbour can be
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: as good as Jeffrey Simmons. Yeah, I think that's you know,
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: where I would separate.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: But why not just get in style?
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think yeah, And I think he's improved a
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: little bit. You know, it's kind of hard because he
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: lost a whole year. Yeah, but I think I think
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: he had shown improvement, you know, in the Run game
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: two years ago, when you know, when we last saw
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: him on a regular basis. I think he's more. I
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: think he's closer to a three down player, you know,
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: than than maybe we remember.
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: But he might be a zero down player. I mean,
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: right now, there's so much there's so many questions around
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: him and his health and then you know, kind of
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: having the relapse of the of the problem.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Like I just I think he's even when he came
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: back this year, he wasn't the same, right, but he
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: didn't seem to have that leg strength and that put.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: But I don't necessarily I'm not gonna say that's why
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: he's not as good as Jeffrey Simmons, Like, yeah, I
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: mean he shouldn't have been like it was three months
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: probably without really doing any football.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. On the offensive side, my questions are for Fred
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: and Paul. When Josh last coached here, he worked with
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: a young quarterback, and both of you could be classified
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: as unhappy with the results. Fred didn't like that they
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: held back on some of what they did, and Paul
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: just didn't think it was as good as a lot
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: of other people. My question is, do each of you
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: expect similar results or do you have higher expectations? And then, lastly,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: has anyone figured out what Fred was talking about on
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Tuesday with the Micah Parkson's JJ McCarthy thing.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: No one knows. I don't even know, So I would
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: expect it to be better. I think Drake May is
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: a lot better player than Mac Jones. I would expect
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Josh McDaniels to have more success with Drake May than
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: he did with Mac jecks.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: And you know, it's a good question because but you
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: have to take it in context, so you go back
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: to that time. Belichick's the head coach Mac Jones is
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: the quarterback that you just drafted. There's a question as
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: to whether even Belichick wanted this guy. I don't know,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: but maybe he didn't. So maybe he's thinking he's not
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: that good. Number one thing is protect the ball. We're
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: not gonna let this guy do what they did this
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: year with Drake May or in twenty twenty four, which
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: is allow him to make mistakes. They certainly coddled him.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: And it's Belichick, you know, I want to win football games.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I'm not here to develop this young guy. I want
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: to win football games.
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah what I mean.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: And I think that had a lot to do with it.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: And so you know, then you ask yourself how much
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: influence did Belichick have on Josh that year?
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean look at how Mac did once they
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: did let him start throwing around the ball, and there
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: were a lot of resources. But I thought Paul made
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: a good point yesterday and your your shows with valgar Maz,
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: you know, talking about Drake may taking on the Josh offense.
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, that puts a lot on the quarterback and
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: I think, you know, Paul made a point that you know,
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: Drake may seems pretty bright and I have hope and
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: confidence that he'll be able to handle everything it seems
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: like Josh is going to put on him. But I
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: do think that that's a big question mark of you know,
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: is he ready to really get it?
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: You know, the whole offense is going to run through him.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: Now that would have been my you know, you got
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: time for like one quick question, just simplistically. Do you
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: plan on running a similar system that you've always run
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: or are you going to transition a little bit more
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: to whatever West Coast version that everybody else is running. Yeah,
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: that's that's really all I need to know.
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: You're going to tailor it to your quarterback, right.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: But not necessarily tailoring it to my quarterback. The system
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: that he's run forever has been deemed to be pretty
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: tough on quarterbacks. The West Coast system is deemed to
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: be a little bit easier on quarterbacks. Which, you know,
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: which one of those two are you going to follow?
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, I expect him to be all the things
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: that Evan talked about in terms of creative with his
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: play calling and game planning and all that stuff, because
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: I saw Josh mcdinals do that, you know, the entire
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: time he was here. There always going to be a
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: game plan. Whatever offense they run, it's not always going
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: to look exactly the same depending on the opponent. I'm
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: pretty confident in that. I'm just wondering what he's going
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: to do for the basis of his system, the terminology,
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: what he's asking the quarterback to do in terms of
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: protections and calling out the mic stuff that we saw
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: for twenty five years that we didn't see at all
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: last year. Yeah, And I don't know. I don't have
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: the answer to that. I have no idea.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, that can be that is simple though, like that,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: that's just it's on the center and other systems, it's
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: on the quarterback here. I mean, I think that's an
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: easy fix. I don't I don't expect him to all
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: of a sudden start running a Sean McVay Kyle Shanahan
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: offense like and nor would I want him to do that,
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Like would I would like to see him do what
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: he does best. And do you know, if you're gonna
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: hire Josh McDaniels and let him be Josh McDaniels, don't
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: try to turn him into Kyle shanahan, like, do what
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: you do. But there are little tweaks to it that
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: I'm sure he will make, and I think he did
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: make at times with Mac Jones to kind of water
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: it down a little bit on a young quarterback, you know,
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: the being in the headset until fifteen seconds, you know,
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: with the play clock and things like that. It allowed
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Mac Jones to get through that rookie season. So I
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: don't expect Josh McDaniels to throw.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: First half of it anyway.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: I don't think that I don't expect Josh to throw
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Drake May into the deep end of the pool in
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: terms of the information that he's thrown at him.
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: It's certainly not going to be where Tom Brady was,
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: you know he and I think he had a quote
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: that I heard this is going on one of those
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: for Cocta podcasts. I don't know when he's talked about,
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: you know, we have buckets full. You know, you guys
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: had buckets full of knowledge, and obviously you're going with
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: a young quarterback, it's like a cupful. I think he
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: recognizes that. I wouldn't, to use Evans's term, He's not
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: going to throw him into the deep end.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: He just hasn't seen it.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: But I do kind of wonder if the system is
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: maybe in the past its due date.
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, when we talked to I don't know if we're
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: on there talking about this, but like David Andrews, coming
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: back knows, Josh's system knows everything. I mean, it's probably
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: even if it's not so much during the play or
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: calling out the micro you know, calling out the protections
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: all that stuff is different, but you know, just understanding
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: the offense and being kind of a tutor for him,
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: you know. I think there's been some speculation. Well, you
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: got Brian Hoyer being around, you.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: Know, it's another alignment that has you know, familiarity, and
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: he was here too.
• 43:55
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  Speaker 11: It's time now for another episode of Patch from the
• 45:10
  Speaker 11: Past podcast Matt Smith and Paul Parrello joined by the
• 45:13
  Speaker 11: newest member of the Patriots Hall of Fame, Mike Rabel
• 45:15
  Speaker 11: and boy for two people. I know you think we're
• 45:17
  Speaker 11: gonna be BSU, but we were on the table, Mike
• 45:20
  Speaker 11: pounding every single year, give Rabel in, give rabel in,
• 45:23
  Speaker 11: finally year in.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: What was the experience like for you yesterday, Mike, Well.
• 45:28
  Speaker 12: It was amazing. It just to come up in the
• 45:30
  Speaker 12: reception that we received, my family received, that I received
• 45:34
  Speaker 12: from the first of all, the fans that were here
• 45:37
  Speaker 12: in the rain, and again I know that I wish
• 45:40
  Speaker 12: that we could have had the fans, but we didn't.
• 45:42
  Speaker 12: I think it was an intimate reception, just a lot
• 45:47
  Speaker 12: of emotion. I don't think I've given myself a chance
• 45:49
  Speaker 12: to just to go back and reflect on that, on
• 45:53
  Speaker 12: the eight years here and the success and the teammates,
• 45:55
  Speaker 12: and I think that was probably the coolest thing was
• 45:59
  Speaker 12: to see them and see Dante and and be able to,
• 46:03
  Speaker 12: you know, just catch up and you know, just see
• 46:05
  Speaker 12: how excited everybody is for.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: You can we go back to the start of that
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: eight years and you know, sort of run us through
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: your free agent visit here. We've heard a lot of
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: stories about how it's not overly glamorous when in.
• 46:18
  Speaker 11: The line that they wind in dynam at the ground round.
• 46:21
  Speaker 12: I don't know if you were, well, I was with
• 46:22
  Speaker 12: Anthony Pleasant and so we probably got a little nicer experience.
• 46:26
  Speaker 12: I think we actually went to the Capitol Grill in
• 46:30
  Speaker 12: Chestnut Hill, and yeah, so because I think Bill had
• 46:36
  Speaker 12: had history with with Anthony Pleasant, so he was probably like, well,
• 46:40
  Speaker 12: let me take Anthony for for a nice meal. And
• 46:44
  Speaker 12: but it was just you know, visit at the stadium
• 46:46
  Speaker 12: in old Foxboro Stadium, and you know, again this isn't
• 46:51
  Speaker 12: These aren't recruiting trips. These are trips to to make
• 46:53
  Speaker 12: sure that you know, this is the player that we
• 46:55
  Speaker 12: want to target, and the player can ask questions and
• 46:59
  Speaker 12: get it from and then make a decision. And so
• 47:02
  Speaker 12: didn't have a whole lot of options, and this one
• 47:05
  Speaker 12: was certainly, you know, you know, the best one for me.
• 47:08
  Speaker 11: Do you You said yesterday during your speech that it
• 47:11
  Speaker 11: was important for you to start. You know, in four
• 47:14
  Speaker 11: years you did a lot, but you wanted to start.
• 47:16
  Speaker 11: Did you get a sense, maybe on that visit or
• 47:18
  Speaker 11: early on Mike, that these guys had a good idea
• 47:21
  Speaker 11: of how to use you.
• 47:23
  Speaker 12: Well, I can remember having a conversation with Bill and
• 47:25
  Speaker 12: him saying, hey, really, all we need is what you
• 47:29
  Speaker 12: did in that preseason game last year against Miami. And
• 47:32
  Speaker 12: I'm thinking I don't even remember playing Miami in the preseason,
• 47:36
  Speaker 12: but Bill had gone back and he had watched and
• 47:38
  Speaker 12: there were clips that he must have seen that there
• 47:42
  Speaker 12: was a vision for probably an extended playtime at that
• 47:46
  Speaker 12: point in time in the preseason or whatever it was.
• 47:51
  Speaker 12: And so then I started thinking Okay, well, at least
• 47:54
  Speaker 12: you know they have an idea of how they want
• 47:55
  Speaker 12: to use me or what I maybe able to do there.
• 48:00
  Speaker 12: Bill had talked about the opportunity, not guaranteeing anything, but
• 48:04
  Speaker 12: saying that there would be a spot at you know,
• 48:06
  Speaker 12: available pretty much at outside linebacker, where you know they
• 48:09
  Speaker 12: would have some other players to compete with and then
• 48:12
  Speaker 12: see where things were.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: When you look at the way your years unfolded, it's
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: almost like it was a perfect system for you. I mean,
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: did you catch that right away? Like they really want
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: to use me exactly to you know, I don't skill.
• 48:25
  Speaker 12: I wasn't being misused at Pittsburgh. I had just transitioned
• 48:28
  Speaker 12: from a couple of different positions, you know, was rotating
• 48:32
  Speaker 12: in and was getting some playing time three and four
• 48:36
  Speaker 12: years in special teams and third down packages, whatever that
• 48:39
  Speaker 12: may be. But this was a new opportunity, some carryover
• 48:46
  Speaker 12: from Pittsburgh, some different and then as things progressed and
• 48:49
  Speaker 12: it was you know, learn this position. I actually I
• 48:52
  Speaker 12: think I played two seasons inside linebacker or a season
• 48:57
  Speaker 12: and a half at some point in time, and you'll
• 48:59
  Speaker 12: find my at different spots, do you.
• 49:03
  Speaker 11: I've heard this from many ex players guys who you
• 49:05
  Speaker 11: played with and everything like that. Were you able to
• 49:07
  Speaker 11: get away with more as far as like maybe busting Bill's.
• 49:10
  Speaker 12: Paul, Well, I don't know. I think the timing was
• 49:12
  Speaker 12: always critical. No, I don't think it's overrated. I think
• 49:15
  Speaker 12: that there is. Like I said yesterday, I think I
• 49:18
  Speaker 12: said things that everybody wanted to say, and I probably
• 49:21
  Speaker 12: was just dumb enough to say it. I sometimes say
• 49:24
  Speaker 12: the quiet part out loud sometimes unfortunately. But it's all
• 49:28
  Speaker 12: timing and sometimes you know it. You know, it's it's
• 49:32
  Speaker 12: a it's a turn and to punch bowl and doesn't
• 49:34
  Speaker 12: always work, but sometimes it works out pretty good. But
• 49:38
  Speaker 12: but that takes a little bit of time, and it
• 49:40
  Speaker 12: takes you know, again, you have to be willing to
• 49:43
  Speaker 12: take it and if you want to give it. And
• 49:45
  Speaker 12: I think that Bill always was very conscious of that,
• 49:49
  Speaker 12: whether that's players to Bill or Bill to us. You know,
• 49:53
  Speaker 12: he knew that, you know, we had to sit there
• 49:56
  Speaker 12: and and take it when we got the low lights
• 49:58
  Speaker 12: and you know, we'd be on the illustrator and it
• 50:01
  Speaker 12: would be like, you know, what we can't do, and
• 50:04
  Speaker 12: so it just it was a good situation. We had
• 50:06
  Speaker 12: a bunch of really good teammates that that all kind
• 50:08
  Speaker 12: of rallied behind that.
• 50:09
  Speaker 11: Do you think maybe, I mean, you were able to
• 50:11
  Speaker 11: back it up with you play though, Mike, I don't
• 50:13
  Speaker 11: know if that's a fifty third or fifty fourth guy
• 50:15
  Speaker 11: that was trying to crack Wise, it might be different. Well,
• 50:18
  Speaker 11: you you were a communary eye on all three phases
• 50:20
  Speaker 11: of the game.
• 50:21
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, but I think that that's what makes
• 50:24
  Speaker 12: a locker room. It's just different personalities. Again, you have
• 50:29
  Speaker 12: to perform on the field and then whatever your personality is.
• 50:33
  Speaker 12: I think that was there was no restrictions on, Hey,
• 50:36
  Speaker 12: we can just want a bunch of robots. That's I
• 50:38
  Speaker 12: think that was the impression that everybody had, and we
• 50:41
  Speaker 12: certainly weren't that.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: The best thing about Mike, and I told you this
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: a million times, Mike didn't care who he was busting on. Professional.
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: I used to call you a professional ballbuster. Okay, that's
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: what you were. I'd come in with like a TV
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: shirt on one day and he goes, look at this fraud.
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: He's got TV and it didn't matter. He treated all
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: of us the same, And I think that's probably ated
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: the locker room and guarded respect in that way.
• 51:03
  Speaker 12: Well, again, I think the fact that if you have
• 51:07
  Speaker 12: a relationship with somebody, I think that's when you kind
• 51:09
  Speaker 12: of go back and forth with them. It's like having
• 51:11
  Speaker 12: a nickname. You don't have a nickname, you know, there's
• 51:13
  Speaker 12: no such thing as a bad nickname. Just be appreciative
• 51:15
  Speaker 12: that you have a nickname. That means that they know
• 51:18
  Speaker 12: who you are and that you're kind of a part
• 51:20
  Speaker 12: of the group. And if you don't have a nickname,
• 51:23
  Speaker 12: you know, you better try to figure out why. And
• 51:25
  Speaker 12: so it was whether it was the relationship with the media,
• 51:29
  Speaker 12: you know, it was a two way street, assistant coaches
• 51:33
  Speaker 12: and certainly teammates.
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: Much has been made.
• 51:36
  Speaker 11: You played in a different era, believe it or not,
• 51:38
  Speaker 11: where and as during your career the league was starting
• 51:41
  Speaker 11: to legislate against defenses hard hitting and everything like that.
• 51:46
  Speaker 11: When you look back at the Warner play ties interception,
• 51:49
  Speaker 11: I just thought it was very generous of Ty to
• 51:51
  Speaker 11: give you credit yesterday too. Are you going to get
• 51:54
  Speaker 11: flagged for that if that play happens today?
• 51:56
  Speaker 12: I don't know. I mean, I think that what we've
• 51:57
  Speaker 12: talked about is matching the hand, and they've they've they've
• 52:01
  Speaker 12: changed here in the last year or two about what's forcible? Hell,
• 52:05
  Speaker 12: I don't know, you know what I mean, I should
• 52:07
  Speaker 12: have gotten there sooner, to be honest with that. They
• 52:08
  Speaker 12: didn't block me. It was just a lucky play and
• 52:10
  Speaker 12: tied it all the work. And but whether it's you know,
• 52:14
  Speaker 12: as long as it's not forcible. You know, we've talked
• 52:16
  Speaker 12: about matching a hand and same thing that they teach
• 52:18
  Speaker 12: here and you know everybody else is trying to teach.
• 52:21
  Speaker 12: And didn't hit the football. I'm glad that I didn't
• 52:24
  Speaker 12: so that Ty was able to catch it and score.
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: Can we ask you a little bit about tight end too,
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: and just sort of how that transition, how did it
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: come about who's Who's I?
• 52:33
  Speaker 12: I think Drew put it best yesterday. I had a
• 52:35
  Speaker 12: bunch of energy. And they'd show up three hours before
• 52:37
  Speaker 12: the game and go out on the field and Drew
• 52:39
  Speaker 12: it would be out warming up and I would start
• 52:42
  Speaker 12: running routes and he'd say, well, this is this is one,
• 52:45
  Speaker 12: this is two, this is three, four, five, run this,
• 52:49
  Speaker 12: you know, different routes. And I'd run him on the
• 52:52
  Speaker 12: right and we'd flip around and run him on the left.
• 52:54
  Speaker 12: And then I'd go inside and wait for the game
• 52:57
  Speaker 12: and he must have had a conversation or Charlie was
• 53:01
  Speaker 12: outside and said, hey, this guy could probably do this,
• 53:04
  Speaker 12: and we had it in. We used it finally in
• 53:11
  Speaker 12: the Chargers game in San Diego. Scored, we lost the game,
• 53:16
  Speaker 12: so it did not get much attention, and then kind
• 53:20
  Speaker 12: of snowballed from there. Whether we had two tight ends
• 53:24
  Speaker 12: active or three, sometimes that that third tight end was
• 53:28
  Speaker 12: never very happy when we got down to the goal line,
• 53:31
  Speaker 12: and you know, so those tight ends probably hated the
• 53:35
  Speaker 12: fact that I would go in there at times.
• 53:36
  Speaker 11: Drew never got a chance to do that on the field.
• 53:39
  Speaker 11: Tom came in, Mike, was there a time that you
• 53:42
  Speaker 11: can think of We remember, like you guys, the defense
• 53:45
  Speaker 11: carried that team in OH one, for sure, no doubt
• 53:47
  Speaker 11: about it, no disgrace. But do you remember time you said,
• 53:49
  Speaker 11: you know what, this kid might have something? Not obviously
• 53:52
  Speaker 11: nobody saw where he was going to wind up, but
• 53:54
  Speaker 11: do you remember a time where you said, you know what,
• 53:56
  Speaker 11: this kid might have something?
• 53:58
  Speaker 12: I don't, you know specifically, It's just hard for me
• 54:02
  Speaker 12: to to think back, you know, the two minute drive
• 54:08
  Speaker 12: in the Super Bowl, and I just it's just hard
• 54:12
  Speaker 12: for me. I just remember his leadership is competitiveness. That
• 54:15
  Speaker 12: that's what I enjoyed at practice in the building, his
• 54:19
  Speaker 12: work ethic, you know, I would always see it. I mean,
• 54:21
  Speaker 12: this guy was you know, he was powerlifting in the
• 54:23
  Speaker 12: weight room. It wasn't you know the pliability that we
• 54:26
  Speaker 12: saw later on. I mean this this guy was in
• 54:29
  Speaker 12: there working and trying to train and get stronger, and
• 54:32
  Speaker 12: he knew that he needed to develop and he needed
• 54:34
  Speaker 12: to be a stronger player. That's what I recognized. I said,
• 54:38
  Speaker 12: then this guy's in here is squatting and power cleaning,
• 54:41
  Speaker 12: and you know, he's training differently than I think most
• 54:45
  Speaker 12: quarterbacks in the NFL would.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: Be at that time when you had that streak, the
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: winning three out of four, I mean obviously winning back
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: to back hasn't been done since. You know, do you
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: look back at that and appreciate just how special it
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: was and what is it mean to you to be
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: part of those teams?
• 55:03
  Speaker 12: Well, I think that I don't look back enough. I don't.
• 55:07
  Speaker 12: But we expected to win, you know, I mean we did.
• 55:10
  Speaker 12: We We we had a feeling about us that when
• 55:13
  Speaker 12: we each week, it was like, Okay, what's the game
• 55:16
  Speaker 12: plan going to be and how are we going to win?
• 55:18
  Speaker 12: And we expected to win, and that is a you know,
• 55:22
  Speaker 12: that's a powerful mindset to be in. Now, we didn't
• 55:26
  Speaker 12: win every game, but you know, rarely did did we
• 55:30
  Speaker 12: you know, were we out of a game? Or did
• 55:31
  Speaker 12: we think that we weren't going to be able to
• 55:33
  Speaker 12: compete in each game?
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: Really quick? When you.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: And now great moments in.
• 55:42
  Speaker 13: History and that I was still nice enough to invite
• 55:45
  Speaker 13: you along. Yes, very nice. You got there were like
• 55:49
  Speaker 13: six of us. I mean the place was was the
• 55:52
  Speaker 13: you know what block?
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Why are you mad at me?
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: Why? Why?
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: He says, with the big grin across his face. Why
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: are you so upset?
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: I'm upset at you?
• 56:00
  Speaker 14: Why?
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just you?
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: All of our lives are open book. Why is it
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: you are? Why you purposely do these things?
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: I do? Yes, yes I do. I heartlessly talk. We
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: all talk about things going on.
• 56:13
  Speaker 13: You make things out of thin air that are not there.
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: What's thin air?
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: You were with a lady friend? What's what's thin air
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: about that?
• 56:19
  Speaker 12: No?
• 56:19
  Speaker 13: A lady friend implies that there's something going on, and
• 56:23
  Speaker 13: she wrote that that's the end of it.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Dude, look like but it doesn't have to be.
• 56:26
  Speaker 9: It.
• 56:26
  Speaker 13: It is because I told you yesterday and I don't
• 56:29
  Speaker 13: like it when you make me repeat myself.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: It sounds like my father. You think I'm screwing things
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: up for you. Just tell me you've been screwing things
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: up for me for twelve years.
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: Buddy.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Did you specifically tell him not to mention it? No?
• 56:42
  Speaker 13: I knew he was going as soon as he walked
• 56:43
  Speaker 13: up and saw us.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: He had that stupid grin that he's got on his
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: face right now.
• 56:47
  Speaker 6: I can so see it.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: I won't mention it again. But if when something happens,
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: could you let us.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: Know nothing is going to happen.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: You know, like if they hook, you know, if they decide.
• 56:58
  Speaker 6: To nothing, is there thing to happen? You morons?
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with And why are you yelling at me?
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: I didn't do anything because because you're.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: Joking around to him on a little Yes, you.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Admit it, but this is all Fred, I don't Okay,
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: what'd you guys eat?
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: Did I miss that part?
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: I had swordfish? That's another great moment from all right
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• 57:29
  Speaker 4: Miss Can you call Eric just to get under his
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: skin for a second.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: It must have been too quiet, like I haven't heard
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: hider hair of him. A little warried classic, I'm a
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: little warried check him. But before the break, I teased,
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: I have a rule change that I've been thinking.
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: About and I've been waiting with baited breath.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: And it has to do with the communications in the helmet.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: And my rule change is keeping on all games all players,
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Like why not? Why not have your coach be able
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: to talk to the quarterback throughout the game? Like why not?
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: What what's the downside of that? So you don't like
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: car you're always talking to your pit room, but you.
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: Don't think that, like you just like you know, you
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: know deuce deuce is wide open, just a douce?
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Why not?
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: Because are you playing or.
• 58:22
  Speaker 6: You play quarterback? Paul?
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: Would that be distracting for you as you're distracted?
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Help you?
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: You worked out like some quarterbacks might like it. Other
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks might say, don't do that. But I think to
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: have communication available throughout the game. What's the downside of that?
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: I like it was an XFL thing, you know, like
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: one of the experimental leagues to try it, but it
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: would be interesting you get like a shorthand with somebody
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: where you know you have cold words, so you just
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: get one thing and you don't want to.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: I would I would say it would be a really
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: huge advantage for certain coaches that are are better than
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: others okay, and so like you have Sean McVay in
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: the quarterbacks ear at all times, that's gonna be a
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: gigantic advantage. And if I was a coach, I would
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: then put my butt up in the booth so I
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: could see the overhead and then you can literally receivers.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Better coaches then, you know, make it, make it a difference.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: Well, I just think that that's the players competition.
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, now it's just the smartest guy wins because
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: he sees it before something.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: In every other in every in every other sport, pretty
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: much there's open communication during the game. Like you know,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: like an NBA you don't need headphones because obviously you
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: don't have helmets, but the coaches on the sideline barking
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: out things to players throughout the game.
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: And the coaches on the sideline of the NFL game
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: barking out there.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: You can't hear them but football, so you're.
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: Telling me if you're down this end in the NBA
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: game and the balls down that end.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: They know they can't, Yes they can't. They run to
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: the edge of the table.
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: They can screaming and they can't get hurt. They're not
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: heard either.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: But all I'm saying is why not? What's the downside
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: of that?
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: Like, I just don't want to. I don't want a
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: league decided by the like the chess masters, who are
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: just telling the coach orchestrating all of them, not the nerds,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: just because I don't think it really takes a nerd
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: to see that that guy's open. I would not call
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: myself a nerd, and I do that in the press box.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: Every ding he's wide open, just throw it to him.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: There's progressions.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: I still I still think that. I think it would
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: elevate the play. I think it would make it better
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: play on the field. Maybe less mistakes. I don't know,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: you still have to execute.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: I like competition, but that's me. I think I like
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: guys competing against one another.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: I think I think this is still in the spirit
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: of competition.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: That did you mean Fred just the quarterback or like everybody?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 6: Everybody?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: Everyone loving guys on both sides of the ball, and
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: they all have a thing. It's mass hysteria. Is he
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: talking to me?
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 12: I don't know.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: He's yelling like you know, that would be distracting.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: But I think every team should have the ability to
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: do with the way they want to do it. Huh.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: If they want to and everybody tell them they can.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: It's just a couple of people on either side of
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: the ball. They can do it, but just let them
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: do it the way.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: I mean, would you like clam up if you're a
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: wide receiver and you're like lined up and they're like, Hi,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: can you go?
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 6: And you hear the coach.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: Going pearls wide open, pearls wide open.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: And you know, like that throw you off?
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: I don't, you know, like that's what you get used
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: to adjustment.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: I feel like it would confuse me.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: That's one of those things though you get if that's
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: the way it's done, you get us.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 12: I don't know.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: I feel like I want less of why not because
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: I want more like the players play deciding. That's why
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: I'm not a huge I'm very much in the minority,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: but I'm not a huge fan of like the drastic
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: weather games.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: I was just gonna say that along those lines, we're
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: talking to rule changes, like would you ever consider playoff
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: games being moved to neutral sites where they're where weather
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: is no longer a factor.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: I do like the fact that they're home field, all right.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: I don't love it when the weather is a factor
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: in the game. I'm with you on this one, but
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: I do think that you win more games and you
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: get the right Now, how what I would tweak is
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: forget the divisions, Like, if there's going to be seven teams,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: the seven best records should get seated one to So basically.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: Do we need even conferences? Do we just have a
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: thirty two team league and every year the schedule is
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: a big surprise and then at the end of the
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: year it's just seating. Yeah, you know.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: Well, I like rivalries though, I mean, I think there's
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: something good about, you know, playing certain teams twice a
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: year and always having home and homes, knowing you can
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: count on that.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: But the hockey, like the hockey format in the NHL
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: is disaster. That's a terrible point and it's all messed up.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: The NBA does it Paul's way where it's just one
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: through eight now that play in but like you know, it's.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: In the NHL. Used to do it that way, it
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: changed it like whatever, Yeah years ago. That's yeah, Like
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Again, I know I'm in the minority,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: so I fully admit that I think of it differently.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: I'm not a huge like division rivalry got like to me,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: the Patriots in the the Brady era, in my view,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: their rivals were Pittsburgh, Indie later Denver in Baltimore. It
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: was never the three divisional teams, right that you have
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: to play twice a year every year, like I you know,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: I think back to you know, Green Bay Dallas games
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: with Brett Favre and Troy Aikman. You know San Francisco
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: Dallas in the Steve Young. You know, I don't think
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: of the remember that Bears Packers game. You might not
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: know which one I'm talking about because they played two
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: hundred times tier.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: And you have to look at the origins of the
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: divisions in the A lot of it was geographic based.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: It costs more money and time to get from places,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: so they tried to a great point. They don't need
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: to do that anymore, right.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: Just you know, if you want to have the two conferences,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: so you still have like a super Bowl with the
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: two different conferences. Fine, yeah, one to six. Yeah, and
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: that's how that's how you play the conference.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: I just when Kurt Warner was talking about it, though,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: I just I what are these teams supposed to do?
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: You know, like they like you can't pick that you're
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: a Dome team or you're a Southern team, and I mean,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: I guess you so we'll just win, find a way
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: to win, or you're gonna just have to suck it
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: up with Kurt Warner.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 6: But you know, but what are they supposed to do? Like,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 6: how are they supposed to prepare for that?
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: It just feels like in innate disadvantage that the warm
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: weather teams are on if they're gonna have to go
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: play in a snowstorm. And I know, like that kind
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 5: of weather can be a great level or for both teams,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 5: but still you're practicing in every day, you're a little
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: bit more used to it, and.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: It's just I don't know that you're not really practicing
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: in it every day.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: But I'm with you. I mean I said that on
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: Sunday watching the Eagles Rams game, and I got attacked like, well,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: you know, why don't you like weather games? And I
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: just I want to see the best team win straight up.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: I want to see the players play to the best
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: of their abilities, right, I don't want to see a
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: guy fall down because he came out of his cut
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: too fast.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: So you don't think a team that can adapt to
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: different elements makes them a bet team.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: No, No, I think it's a team that adapted to
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: the elements better.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: Why because they had the ability to do that? No,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: they could, they could adapt. If you're a team that
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: can't adapt, doesn't that I don't doubt.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's always the team, Like the home
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: team doesn't always adapt to the elements better. So like
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: if it was just about that, then the home team
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: would always win.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: Buffalo when they played Cincinnati a couple of years ago,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: Cincinnati adjusted better to the elements than Buffalo did. Right,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: So that that's not because they were better, it's because
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: they adapted to the elements better that day.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: Why were they able to adapt?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: Because maybe they don't do things is in the same
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: manner that the other team does. And the weather caused
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: Pooka Nakou to drop a couple of passes that I've
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: never seen them drop before, Like, that's not because they
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: adapted or a Better or whatever. I don't like when
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: the weather impacts the way the game is played. I
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: don't care necessarily like the Better, No, that was terrible.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: That was one of the worst games ever to watch.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: You just want to see, you know. From my perspective,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: it's always obviously about the strategy and the x's and o's,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: and it's like, well that everything goes out the door
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: if it's a blizzard, right, like we're not. You're not
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: running your regular offense if if you have snow everywhere
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: and you can't execute that regular offense. And to Pall's point,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: I just thought watching that Philly La game, I thought
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: the Rams had a really good chance to win that game,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: but then the snow came and they just were making
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: uncharacteristic errors because of the weather, you know, And and
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: I think a big part of it too is like
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: footing and understanding.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: I even think, but I even think it affected Philadelphia too.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: And this is where like, yes, I want to full disclosure.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: I wanted the Rams to win because I like the
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: RAM I like Sean mcvahin, and I like Matthew Stafford.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: I don't really make any secret of that, but I
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: would I would say that I don't think the Eagles
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: played to their capabilities because of the weather. Also, like
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: they couldn't really throw the ball. Aj Brown looked lost,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: like he couldn't Like he dropped a pass at the goal.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: I've never seen him drop that pass, the one he
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: dropped at thelon. So this is not because my team lost.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: I don't like the weather. I don't think the Eagles
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: played very well in the in the weather either.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 5: Well, what if we tied it all together and you
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: had realignment and you have all warm weather teams and
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: all cold weather teams.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: And that way mass steric line below.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 5: Well think about Miami though, I mean that's you know,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 5: when we think of it goes both ways. You're always
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: looking for that Miami game. Are we going down there
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: in September? Are they coming up here in December?
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 6: You know? For them?
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: What are they supposed to do?
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: And at least I would say with that, like a
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: Dome team that plays a team from the Northeast, Like,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: I don't think that's a disadvantage for the team in
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: the Northeast, do you know what I mean? And it's
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: not necessarily geographic based. Some teams are just you.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 6: Know, well, Minnesota is not as good.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: As the other team, and the weather equalizes the playing field.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: Like I don't like when that happens. I don't care
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: necessarily who wins ninety percent of the time because most
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: of the time these games are played between teams that
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: we don't really care about, let's be honest.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: But like the win game is such a perfect example.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: Like the Patriots basically got blown out the other two
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: games against Buffalo that season, but they won the game
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: in the win because it was wonky.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, and that's.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: Fine, Like that's you know, that's the team that I
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: worked for and they won the games. And the same
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: thing in the early two thousands with the playoff games
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: when they went to Indianapolis, they were like thirty eight
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: thirty four games they play here and it's like seventeen
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: to three, twenty to three, you know, Like it's a
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: whole different game that got played. Now, the Patriots, I think,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: were better than the Colts, So it's not I'm not
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: saying the better team doesn't win. I want to see
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: the game played the way it was played in Indy
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: when the Patriots won. Yeah, thirty eight thirty four inside,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Like I think that's showing
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: the teams playing to the best of their.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Abilities and they adapted. Yeah, they're right, they're right.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: About the adapting thing. But the Patriots were better, I know.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: But if they had lost a game because of the
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: weather and you felt like they were the better team,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: you'd be upset. This is where I'm trying to be consistent.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: The Patriots showed you they could beat you in an
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: indoor outdoor. The only thing that Brady couldn't win in,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: for some unknown reason, was intense to eat.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: I would like to know, like how many times the
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: favorite team in a bad weather game lost the game.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: I would like to know that record.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: But I'm like, to me, it's it's less about the
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: outcome of the game as it is the way the
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: game is.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not as fun, it's to me.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: It's not aesthetically pleasing.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just I like to see the teams play
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: to their capabilities. I don't care if the outcome is
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: exactly the same, right, Like, if Philadelphia beats the Rams
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: by six and the snow never happened, that's fine. I
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: just think that both teams played better.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: You want the outcome to be solely based on ability.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah. Now, coaching is part of ability, don't get
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: me wrong. You know, schemes and whatnot. You know, this
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: team had a better game plan. They they executed their
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: game plan better and they won the game. Not because
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: you know, well, they couldn't use half of their game
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: plan because if the weather wasn't conducive to being able
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: to in the wind wind game, have Josh Allen throw
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: the ball forty times like he did in the other
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: two games when they blew us out.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 5: You know, like makes me realize we should probably check
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: the weather before we do picks today. Oh yeah, Kansas
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 5: City and Philadelphia.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: Yep, last show I mentioned about you mentioned the picks
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: that I'm rooting when it comes to the Bills in
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Kansas City. For Kansas City to win, Yeah, because I
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: can't have the Bills winning a Super Bowl.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: Oh I can't even I can't even think you.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: I can't have the Bill. So if they're out, then
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: they can't win the Super Bowl.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: This is definitely I don't want Kansas.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: City to win three in a row either. But of
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: those two, you know, Sophie's choices I would take.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: If one of them has to win the Super Bowl
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: would be rather than Kansas City. Yeah than Buffalo. Yeah,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: that's an interesting thing.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Avery says, I'm a fraud because I'm a
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: fraud Patriots fan. If you root for Kansas City, get out.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I mean, I'm rooting for Buffalo, but
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: I still feel kind of icky about it, you know.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: But I can't. I have nobody to root for, like
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: this is like like I can't in my heart of hearts,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: I cannot root for Buffalo. I like Josh Allen for
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: the Commanders. Hope, I I can't that also has.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: I just don't like the Commanders. Now, it's hard to
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: root against this team. I'll say that. You know what
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: Jayden Daniels.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 6: Is doing pretty cool.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I I just think it's a it'd
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: be good for the league.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 6: I think a Buffalo won. I just you know, yeah,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 6: you know somebody did.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: When you say things like that, then that's when they
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: jump on your sho it's fixed.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: Chad says, question for Paul, does that mean in your
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: weather stance that no one should play in Denver because
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: of the altitude, it's impossible to eliminate that as a bar.
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  Speaker 4: Man's that's a good point.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 6: A helmet, that's a good.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: That's a good comeback. I would say that the weather
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: isn't necessarily you know, the same, like like I think
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: Mike brought up Miami, Like that's a little different to me. Yeah,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: I mean, but it's I understand what he's saying. It's
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: not a you know, it's not completely right out of
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: left field. The altitude is that's part of home field.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 6: Me.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: You can kind not eliminate. Like the advantage is not.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: The part that I'm necessarily having a problem with is
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: it doesn't cause you not to be able to do
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: the things that you do every other week. Yeah, Like
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: I don't think teams go to Denver and they normally
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: throw the ball thirty five times, and they go to
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: Denver and because of the altitude, they can't throw it
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: thirty five times. That's what That's what Like intense wind does,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: an intense snow, stuff like that, it causes you not
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: to be able to have a game plan that you
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: have every other game.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: Sam from Saint Catherine says, how does any Patriots fan
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: not like weather games? The dynasty doesn't happen without them.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: No, that's fair, And I mean when it's when it's
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: your team and they're having Dome teams come in here,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 5: you love it. But I just say, as an overall
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 5: football fan, you know, I just I would echo what
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 5: Paul says. I just I want it to be level
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: playing ground and it's not going to take it out
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: of what it should be, which is, you know, like
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: your thing, like the schemes and what they run and
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: what they do best, and let these two teams play
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: at their best and being you know, it's ever gonna
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: be ideal conditions.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: But I also just watch games in aren't the Patriots
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: so much differently than I watched the Patriots?
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's what I'm trying to get it. And
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: I don't care who wins, right.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: You know, we were talking the other the other day
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: about Lamar and people they don't allow you to criticize Lamar. Well,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: I just don't care. Like I'm not rooting for the Ravens,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: Like they're not the team that I care if they
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: win or lose. I just think he's a great football player.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: I think he's great to watch, so I enjoy watching him.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: Like if you want to get hot and bothered about
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: that he doesn't win in the playoffs, and that's fine,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: But it's just It's the same thing with the weather games, Like,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: I just want to watch good football. I don't think
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: football in a blizzard is good football. I don't think
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: it's played well.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: I would argue that if Adam vannit Terry missed that
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: field goal against the Raiders, you would not look at
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: this the same way. That's why I'm separating. My take
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: is not about the team that I'm rooting for, because
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: obviously the email is absolutely right, one of the most
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: iconic games in the history of the franchise because you
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: won it and then you went on to win the
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl and it kicked off a dynasty.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: I can't separate that. That's like the greatest memory of
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: the time that I've worked here was the first Super
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: Bowl when we went down to New Orleans.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: But you can make the argument in that particular game,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: had it not been for the weather, you probably would
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: have got blown out.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah right, I mean, I'm not willing to say that.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: I'm not willing to say that. I think that the
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: Raiders had to play the week before. Who's to say
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: they might have come out and the Patriots made have
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: blown them out if they had had the ability. They
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: threw the ball fifty four times that night. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: they maybe if if the weather wasn't bad, they would
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: have scored a lot more points and not been in
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: trouble like that.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 5: It's a cool game, but it's ridiculous, Like it was
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: ridiculous what they were playing that day.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: I'm with Evan. It's more about when I watch a
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: game and I don't care who wins, I'd like to
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: see the teams play and play to their ability and
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: not have anything. You know, it's almost like you're playing
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: left handed.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: Purely for entertainment when the Patriots are not playing in
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: the game. So I'd like to be entertained.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: Emotionally, like when you're watching, like when you go down
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: to Miami, you wouldn't rather have it be seventy five
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: degrees than ninety five degrees so you can play a
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: little bit closer to your capabilities. Of course you would.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's one. I mean it's one of the reasons
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: too why I thought that the College Football Playoff was
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: pretty cool, because I mean, not really weather related, but
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: just go into those old stadiums playing the old bowl games.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: You know, they I wouldn't be surprised that they like
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: another round of home field for next year's.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: Eight five five Pats five hundred is the TPX hutline.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 15: We got.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: A couple of people have been holding on. Brandon is
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: in Indiana. What's up Brandon?
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 15: Hey, guys, first time caller here is soon.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 7: To thank you for having me on.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: Well, thanks for holding on quick, Thank you for you.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 15: Yep, what receiver this offseason, whether it's in the draft
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 15: or free agency, do you guys think is the best
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 15: fit for the Patriots.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: In the McDaniel's offense, for the in particular the McDaniel's offense.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna go for that, Like you're probably looking at
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: a guy's skill set for mc daniel's offense in a
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: different way than me. I'm just gonna go talent and
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: say T Higgins.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: But like, yeah, I don't think it necessarily I'm kind
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: of with you, Paul, Like I don't think it necessarily
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: sways me one way or the other where I'd prioritize
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: this player over that player, And in fact, I just
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: learning from their mistakes, Like I feel like that's how
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: they got into this mess. At wide receiver to an extent,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: was searching for a certain type of receiver versus just
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: taking the best overall player at that position. I think
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: that's why you ended up with Jalen Polk over Lad
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: McConkie is because you were looking for a certain type
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: of receiver. I mean, if I had to pick one,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: you know the guy that I look at and I say,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: you know that that's a really good fit in this offense,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: Matthew Golden from Texas would probably be my pick. Reminds
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: me a lot of like Dion branch or Troy Brown,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: like that type of receiver. But I don't I don't
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: think it's necessarily necessarily like say, I'm taking Matt the
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: Golden over Ted McMillan just because he fits the system better.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: If you could trade for any receiver realistic trade AJ
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: Brown a J Brown?
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, anything nudging him to the realistic category for the
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: sake of this argument, will it will.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: It to be a J. Brown? I think? Is you
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: know you can't go wrong with AJ Brown, like he's
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: going to fit any system.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: Do we mention that that that sort of report about
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: the Tyreek kill thing. Jeremy, according to an NFC expects
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: the Patriots Brandon if they can't get a receiver in
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: free agency, they can't get t Higgins. You know they
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: would be interested in making a trade for Tyreek Hill.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: I am not overly interested in that. Yeah, I'm not either,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: but although the price would be right.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, he did quit on the field, right, It's like.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: Do I really want that? And like maybe he comes
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: here and he's a perfect citizen.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 5: You know, it was like and I would I mean,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 5: I it was Jyalen Waddle who was like to you
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 5: out and like it was just him on the field,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: like during the game, being like I'm out, I'm out,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: like like I mean literally having a conversation like on
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 5: the field.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I look at that something relevant Cheatah.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I love Tyreek Hill. I think he's one of
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: the best receivers in the NFL. I just I don't
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: for a team that's trying to rebuild culture and rebuild
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: the lot. You know, all these receivers come with a
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: little bit of that baggage at times, but you just
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: want it to be constructive, like you want it to
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: be pointed in the right direction.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: Yeh. Let's see Kale is in Iowa. Hey Kale, Hi, guys.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 8: I wanted to say thanks for all you guys do
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 8: and all the hard work and time you put in,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 8: especially over your lunch breaks, which I know Hardy will
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 8: never understand.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: No, they they'd rather take six breaks per hour.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: Right Exactly.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 8: My question today and I hope it doesn't gain any
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 8: in trouble is about ownership and their decision making process
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 8: when it comes to hiring coaches. I feel like over
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 8: the time the Crafts have owned the team, they have
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 8: made some snap decisions when it came to hiring coaches
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 8: that have really panned out. And I think that without
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 8: Tom Brady, Bill Belichick would have been another one of
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 8: those coaches, which I know is a big ask, but
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 8: I feel like drafting him in the sixth round wasn't
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 8: like they identified bad talent. So ied ton't know what
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 8: you guys felt like, If Mike Brabell doesn't pan out,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 8: should the craft look at a different way to hire
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 8: coaches or somebody else to be in that process.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, I can understand. I mean, certainly with Mayo,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: they it was a colossal mistake. You know, I'm not
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: going to be a fraud. At the time, I was
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: hoping it could work out, but it was based on faith.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: It wasn't based on track record or anything else. It
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: was just based on faith and faith in Robert Craft's instincts,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: you know, because that's all it was. That's all it
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: was based on, and that is not a way to
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: hire a head coach. And he admitted that afterwards.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: Uh that, But I would just push back a little
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: bit and say, I don't think Bill Belichick was a
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: snap decision. I think that was a decision four years
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: in the making.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: I think what Cale might be saying is, had Tom
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: Brady not come along and they continued to kind of
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: found or would they have given up on him early?
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: I think they might. I think he might have been
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: in trouble.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying, Cale?
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 12: Yeah?
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 8: And also with Bill Belichick, you can look at the
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 8: when he was talking to believe Her edwards, he made
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 8: a comment about how he thought he was on the
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 8: chopping block.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: No, I know he was in trouble. I mean, that's
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: that's a fact.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 8: Because you traded a first round pick. So not only
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 8: did you make that decision, and maybe it was four
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 8: years in the making, but if that had been a failure,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 8: not only did you make that decision based on instinct,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 8: but you traded something very valuable for the franchise.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and Cale, but I'm having a hard time getting
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: a guy in trouble for making that move, like you
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: got the greatest coach has ever done it.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: I know. But but Cale, here's the thing, And I
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: get what you're saying, like maybe they limited the pool
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: of people they talked to, even in the Belichick case,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: but if you look around the league, most of these
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: teams when it comes to the head coach know who
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: they're going to get. I mean, you look at the Bears.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: The minute that the Lions were out of contention, they
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: hired Ben Johnson. You know, it's not like they did
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: this extensive shirt. They could talk to a million people
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: before the Bears, but they knew they wanted Ben Johnson
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: and that's why they waited. And most teams are like that.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: Don't A lot of this is nonsense.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: You know, take of this argument. You probably don't want
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: to compare yourself to the Bears.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: No, But I'm just saying most teams identify the head
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: coach that they want pretty early on, pretty early on.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 8: Agree with that. I would push back a little bit
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 8: with the Belichick thing, where if you look at it
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 8: in a vacuum, it looks the way it does, but
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 8: when stacked up with all the other ones, I'm not
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 8: saying I more think maybe they should look at a
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 8: different way. I'm not saying they have got interview a
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 8: thousand candidates or twenty, but maybe the things that they're
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 8: looking for they should adjust.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: Yep. I mean you could make the case that maybe,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: you know, they take people who they're comfortable with, people
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: who they're knowledgeable about it. Maybe, you know, maybe the world.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: I don't know any other way to do it.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: It's not like we've had a lot of head coaches
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: since Kraft bought the team. You know, you had Carsels,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: who he inherited, he hired Carol went to Belichick, who
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: last for twenty years, and then you had Mayo and
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: now Vrabel.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: You know, so I would say that, you know, you
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: definitely understand the criticism of how they went about the
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: Mayo situation, and I think you could understand that people
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: thought this was sort of a set up with Rabel.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: I would kind of compare this a little bit more
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: to check in that I think they kind of really
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: thought thought long and hard about Rabel last year and
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: felt like they couldn't do it because they had already
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: done that contractual thing with Mayo and didn't want to
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: go back on it. But I think that they they
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: thought long and hard about Rabel last year. Yeah, I
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: think because I don't think they expected him to be available.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: I think about the.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 5: Jets process because they interviewed everybody under the sun, but
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 5: then they ultimately went to back to a player who
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 5: had played under them.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: Jets.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: Coach they've hired for twenty years, but it's the.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: Guy that wanted them too, Like that's the big difference
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: to me.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: And don't remember, don't forget that they hired this outside
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: firm led by Mike Tannenbaum to do this search.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: Like I said, I just don't know how different ways
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: there are to do.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: Earn his money. He's got to earn his money.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 5: Well that's what it like like that, And that's a
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: good comparison, because would it make you know, people like
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 5: kill feel better if they had hired a search firm,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 5: gone through all this and then ultimately just ended up
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: with Rabel. But hey, we interviewed twenty six guys. Does
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: that make you feel better the way? Or do you
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: think that they probably were gonna end up with Aaron Glenn?
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: Probably no matter who they interviewed.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: I just think in this process to the Patriots were
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: the number one destination. I think they had the best
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: opening available on the market. So in my mind, they
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: they interviewed the two best candidates, Mike Rabel and Ben Johnson,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: and they had to pick of the litters. So why
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: they don't have to go all the way down to
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: Liam Kohane and you know, Joe Brady at end point,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: why would they waste Why would anybody waste each other's
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: time in that situation. So you could definitely make the
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: case that maybe they should have looked harder at Ben Johnson.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: But Ben Johnson took the Bears job sight unseen. He
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: didn't They didn't even meet in person. They did the
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: virtual thing and they just gave him the job off
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: of the virtual interview. So it would have been quick
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: anyways if it was Ben Johnson after the Lions were eliminated,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: and I think the Lions were eliminated a lot sooner
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: than people expected, which also in acted that. But at
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: the end of the day, they had the best job.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: They knew it. They had two prime candidates. They interviewed
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: both guys and they yes, they went with the guy
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: that they were a little bit more comfortable with and
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: more familiar with. But I can't fault them for not
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: having this whole exhaustive, extensive search because they're not. Thankfully,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: they're not the Raiders. They're not the Jaguars who nobody
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: wants to coach the Jaguars like they can't get Liam
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: Cohone to take the job, like they want to give
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: him the job.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: Happened there because they after he pulled out, then they
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: fired Bulky.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because he probably said they're having a hard time
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: getting people really interested because.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: Of right, and then the Raiders are. I wonder if
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: get back in the mix now he could.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: I think, well, I think he well, not that it
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: prohibits him. I think he signed an extension on Tampa,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: but I would be I think Robert Sala might be
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: in line there now. But you know, to Evan's point
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: about the Jets, it is like they there's like four
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: or five first time defensive minded coaches offensive orient to
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: coll It's Rex Ryan, it's Todd Bowles, it's Robert Sala.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: My whole life, they've had the same coach except Adam
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: Gasee for two years.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: Adam gaze was the one outlier. He was an offensive Yeah, but.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: They herm Edwards, Rex Ryan.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: That's funny.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: Todd Bowles.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: What do you think that is?
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 5: They got a tight go al grow for one year?
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Bart and I did this on Catch twenty two yesterday,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: were like the Jets just hired the same head coach
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: over and over again. Like you could argue that Aaron Glennon,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: Todd Bowles and Rex Ryan and like all these guys
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: are the same guy.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: First time coach is defensive coordinators. Yeah, that's what they
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: maybe maybe Robert Salad like they all Robert Sala, Todd Bowles,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: Rex Ryan.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: Yea is interesting. Patty's an aga? What's up? Patty?
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 15: Everyone?
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 12: Hey?
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: Hey Patty?
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 9: Uh?
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 15: Two part Senior Bowl question, Evan, are you going by yourself?
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 15: Are you taking deuce with you? Because I know Alex
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 15: isn't going and position group aside from like receiver and
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 15: offensive lineman, are you most interested to see down there?
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 15: I'm interested to hear what you have to say about
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 15: the tight end because I think it's not a break class,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 15: but it's got a few good tight ends. And fred
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 15: I went through at least just the NFC and AFC
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 15: championship history, the only real underdog that I saw that
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 15: won in a cold weather game. I mean, there's a
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 15: two thousand and seven Giants, but they're a cold weather
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 15: team that won in Green Bay, but was the tow
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 15: Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They were four point underdogs and they
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 15: had never prior to winning that game in Philly. I
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 15: don't think they had ever won a game where the
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 15: temperatures were below freezing. And that's all I got. I'll
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 15: take the stuff air.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: I appreciate the research because, as Patty knows, I'm too
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: lazy to do it myself. But I think that that
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 4: Giants Packers game would be an example of one. Now,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: that game was not played as it would normally be
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: played very cool. That hurt the better team.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: Man, Green Bay, hurt Tom Copplin's face.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: Even even though both of those teams are cold weather teams.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: You did not play that game like you would play
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: again in the middle of November.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 6: Brandon Jacob, I just.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: Remember watching that game, being like, the Giants are gonna win,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: and they're gonna beat us in the Super Bowl again.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: He just knew, like you knew, You're like, I was
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: rooting hard for the Packers. I was like we can
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: take the Packers. That's fine.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: The tenor the tenor in the offices stadium with us
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: not not football was a lot different, you're.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: Saying because you beat them once and you felt like
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 5: we got these guys.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 6: It's Eli Manning.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: I just didn't think they go to the team.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: Man I just thought we were cursed against the Giants.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: I knew it.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 6: They played good.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: Uh Teas in Virginia. Hey, Tea Higgins t yeah, Hey, hey.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 8: Hey, this is more of all season question, but.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 14: It's more for you.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 8: You're you're close to my age. Sorry, got everybody first,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 8: But has anybody ever been able to convince their spouse,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 8: you know, to give your child a Patriots and spirname.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 8: My oldest child is thick and either boy, and I
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 8: was able to convince my wife to name him Julian,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 8: and then she wasn't gonna go for Tom or Brady.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: No, still early if you evant, though you have some
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 5: I don't have any children, well probably Kyle, right, maybe.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: One name dogs after Patriots. No, I I don't. I
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: don't have anybody in my family that that did that. No,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: and I don't plan on doing that.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: I was named after my dad. He was named after
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: his dad. That's the way it goes. My son grandfathers
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: also Zach in New Hampshire. On one of the more
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: recent episodes, a caller asked Evan specifically to explain what
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: an XY slot, et cetera means from an X and
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: NO standpoint, and it seemed that Mike was a bit
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: offended that the caller singled out Evan because Mike could
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: also explain that concept. Could Perhaps every time Evan explains
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: things from in depth perspective, if you all didn't bust
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: his balls for being a ball knower, callers might be
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: more likely to look for everyone's input. We all have
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: football opinions, but not all of us know ball, and
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: we look to those that do in order to be
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: more informed in our opinions.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: Correct so it alone, I know one of them.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: I knew Mike knew what he was talking that I
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: said no for it.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: No, But you know that's uh, I mean, that's one
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 5: of the things I loved when I got into writing
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 5: ball football was trying to learn and I haven't like
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 5: dove into it at the level of Evan, who's you know,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 5: getting playbooks and you.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 6: Know, breaking it down.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: But you know, there's a base level of knowledge that
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 5: you know, understanding what the positions are called, and you
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 5: know generally, I mean, I'm alread of the defensive side
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 5: of the ball, but I talked to Evans defensive guy.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you know that.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 5: No, we we had we talked to a little defense
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 5: ball today because I was, you know, interested, uh, you know,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 5: I know the Patriots traditional three fourths usually two gappers
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: up front, and I always wondered, you know, do you
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 5: do you mix and match that?
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: Do you have?
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: You know, this side of the ball is going to
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 5: two gap and then over here we're going to have
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 5: a you know guy one gap and getting up the field.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: So you know, we we have we talked about all
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: time favorite memories in the locker room. So when I
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 4: came here, I didn't really know a lot of those
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: terms at all. Like I don't really five techniques, I
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: don't use a lot of that stuff twenty five, twenty
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: six years later or whatever it is, but like two
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: gapping and all that stuff, I had never heard that
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: term in my life when I started working here. And
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: then you know, Pete Carroll had the old elephant position
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: and remember all that stuff, and you sort of learn
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: those things. Belichick comes two gap Anthony Pleasant. You know,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: he's a bill guy. He's like one of those you know,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: gotta circle the wagon guys. Anthony Pleasant talking to him
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 4: about two gapping, he gives me this look and I
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 4: just stopped in the middle of just me and him,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 4: and I go, uh, did I get that really wrong?
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: He goes, no, no, no, you're pretty good. You're pretty good.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: Keep going. I go, that's about all I got. It
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: was like we had this like just like looking at it.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: He's like he could tell that I was faking it
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: and that I didn't know what I was talking about.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 4: He could absolutely.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 5: I would say for me, I understand more than I'm
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 5: comfortable trying to express and explained to people, if that
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: makes sense, Like I'm not really comfortable of rattling off
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 5: things and like that. Like I but I think I
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 5: understand enough that I feel pretty colm.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: I think people that cover the game, for the most part,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 4: understand enough. I don't think you have to have sort
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: of a PhD, you know, like Evan. I don't say
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: that disrespectfully. I say it honestly. I mean, I think
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: that's great if that's something that really interests you and you.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: But I think it's changed now with the access to
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: the All twenty two that used to be forbidden.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I remember pushing back.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: I want to get access to that. Now writers and
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: ball Knower's are allowed to watch the All twenty two, right, And.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of people are interested in that,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: and that's great for those people. I'm more interested in
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: reporting and analyzing what I'm seeing as opposed to breaking
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: down like if I if I covered the White House,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't necessarily be overly interested in, you know, sort
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: of all the processes that go on within Congress and
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: you know, filibustering and and all that. I want to
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 4: report on what's going on. I want to report on
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: the results I think what it means.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: I think the biggest reason why I steered towards the
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: other stuff is because nowadays, especially that side of it
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: has become really, really difficult to break into because you
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: have you have to have sources, and you have to
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: be connected, and you have to have you know, a
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: network and all that kind of stuff, and it's it's
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: difficult to build that, whereas on the outside, when you're
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: not here every single day, you can watch All twenty
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: two in your your you can learn about the game
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: I and you can do it that way, right, So
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: I think that's why it's become more popular. But lately
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: I've been getting down the rabbit hole of cadence and
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: like the importance of cadence, and I find it fascinating.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: And I won't give out any state secrets, but like
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: obviously the Patriots with McDaniels will now have a whole
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: how do they get the offense started? Like how you
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: actually get to like cadence And it's it's fascinating to me.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: And like sometimes it's just first sound, sometimes there's words.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: Sometimes it's you know, we're going on the second sound,
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: and you know, there's all sorts of different things about
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: the cadence and like it's so important because the time
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: it's all timing right, it's like all timing up, like
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: you know, when you snap the ball, like these everybody's
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: got to be firing off the ball at the same time,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: otherwise the play doesn't work. And it's fascinating.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 5: Here we go, Oh jeez, I'm the basic one onto.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 5: The comparison I always make though, is the weather. You know,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 5: some people will tell you what the baramount metric pressure
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 5: is and all this, and other people just want to
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 5: know if it's raining, you know, that's you know, like
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 5: that's but you know, some people the weather interesting, you know, Right,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 5: So this is going.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: To come as a big surprise. But I tend to
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: like drama I kind of created. But so that's kind
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: of what more interests me, Like sort of when you
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: know this particular year and it's obviously it's stunk for
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: us because we went four and thirteen, But when you're
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: hearing stuff out of the locker room, you know, almost
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: on a weekly basis, you get some really good stuff
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: out of the locker room. And I'm not telling you
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: I want to lose to get that, That's not what
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. But as a reporter, you sort of separate
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: yourself from the wins and losses. Well you should. It
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 4: doesn't happen often enough, but you should separate yourself from
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: the wins and losses. And now and you're like, okay,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 4: if you're going to lose, I mean, obviously it's more
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 4: fun to go to Super Bowls and cover super Bowls
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: and have that success.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 5: Give me the drama.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: Give me the drama.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 6: Tell me what's going on, and the story.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: And that's the LIFEbeat. I think. You know, a guy
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 4: like Andrew Callahan, I thought did a good job of
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: getting some of that drama out of the locker room
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 4: this year that you can't get necessarily to do that.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's why I like football because there's so many
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 5: different ways to approach it, to cover it, to talk
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 5: about it. I mean, I love the game of hockey,
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 5: but I just I couldn't ever analyze it. It's just
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 5: like it's kind of a fluid game and you're not
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 5: going to sit there and break down plays. It's you know,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: little moments.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 6: It's like it just kind of happens. It's organic.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 4: You know, he's better than the guy, right he's and he.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 5: Skated through everyone and the scores. You know, it's not
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 5: you know, Evan can get into the schemes of it all.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: You know, you can talk about all the different.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 5: Situations and clock management and now it's it's what makes
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: it such a great support.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: But I feel like that's what you know, makes us
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: and like me and Barth, like Paul and you guys
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: like kind of see the big picture sometimes that I
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: don't see because you know.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 4: Why the kingmaker brought you in.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because like that happens to me all the time.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: It used to be drags, Like Drags would be like
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: they just got beat and I'd be like, no, like
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: there's this seventeen million x's and those things that happen.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: He's like, Nope, they were just better.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: You're and you're probably right right, but there are a
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 4: million different things. That's what you always you know, like
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 4: when you hear the cooking, we just got to execute better. Yeah, yeah, right,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 4: really you mean when you ran that play you thought
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 4: it was going to lose three yards? Of course you
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 4: have to execute better.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 5: Plus, it's like twenty two guys on the field, and
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 5: it's like, you know, you can pick up something new
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 5: every time you watch it.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 6: Stop callers, All.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: Right, little programming note. I have to leave early because
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: I have a meeting at two, So we'll get get
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: to the pits and then you guys can continue. There's
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: a lot of emails that came in. We want to
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: get to them, so we're gonna do. Yeah, we have to.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: I have to get going.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: What time you're leaving pretty soon? Pretty soon?
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: Gotta hurry, all right, Paul, what happened last week? All right?
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: So what do I got here? Last week, Mike and
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 4: Paul went three and one, Evan and Fred went one
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: and three. Alex got an incomplete she did not show up.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 4: Uh with the spread Mike three oh and one. Wow,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 4: good job, Mike, Paul and Fred won two in one
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 4: and Evan oh three and one.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: I just started picking with my heart.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 6: You got cocky.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 4: So overall for the playoffs, Mike and Paul are eight
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 4: and two. Let's see Evan is five and five, Fred
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 4: is four and six. With the spread. This is pretty impressive.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: Michael seven to two and one playoff money, followed by Paul
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 4: at five to four and one, then Fred at three
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 4: six and one, and Evan two seven and one, and
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: we all hit on the national championship.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: I have a lot this week.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 4: I'm getting to that. I'm getting to that. Sorry the folks,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: this is your lock of the week. Pick was a
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 4: push push push. Fred had the Rams getting six. They
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 4: lost by six. Interesting, So all right that that catches
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: us up.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: So let's get to Sunday's games. Two games left before
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. Three o'clock on Sunday, Fox and Fox
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: the Fortes. It's the twelve and five Commanders visiting the
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: fourteen and three Eagles.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 4: The Iggles by six six.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, Washington's a great story and I just was
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 5: really impressive with with Jayden Daniels and just the way
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 5: he throws the ball. It's pretty pretty to watch. Smooth,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 5: smooth athlete can run. But I think they run out
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 5: of gas this week. I don't trust Jalen Hurts entirely though.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna take Philly to win, but I'm gonna take
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 5: Washington to cover. I think it's a close game. I
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 5: think Jayden Daniels continues to play well, execute under pressure,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 5: but I just I think Philly's got a little bit
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 5: too much, especially on the defensive side of the ball.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 5: My only wild card is Jalen Hurts and his performance
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 5: throwing the.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 8: Ball through the year.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel the same way. I feel like I
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: can't pick the Eagles in a lot of ways because
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: I do think that the Commander's offense is just gonna
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: put points up, even if it's not as many as
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: last week. But I don't know if Philly can do
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: the same. I don't know if they can score it
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: with a run first offense, not a ton of passing game.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: But I'm gonna take the Eagles. I I just I
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: keep on coming back to the fact that I feel
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: like the commanders are like a year ahead, maybe even
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: two years ahead with this run of where they really
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: should be, and I feel like that's eventually going to
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: catch up to them. That there may be a little
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: bit premature to be at this point.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: It sounds like Evan was really close to picking the
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 4: upset outright, and I was too, And and like Evan,
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna wimp out and not do it. I just
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 4: in the back of my mind.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: He's a rookie.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 4: He's gotta he's got to be a rookie at some point, right,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 4: He's got to have a mistake, and he's.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: And everything is on his shoulders.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 4: Like it's not that defense is pretty good. Philly's defense
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: is pretty good. Jalen Carter, Baby, Yeah, I mean at
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 4: some point I think there's a mistake I'm gonna take Philly.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna take the.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 6: Point trying to talk yourself.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 4: I want to take the upset, but I'm I'm not
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 4: going to.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the nice story continues. I sense a
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: quiet confidence among the commanders. I do respect Philly's defense.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a close game in
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: the first half. But I think that Philly defense kind
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: of runs out of gas, believe it or not, in
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: the second half. And I think down the road the
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: commanders keep putting up points, and they went out right.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: They went out right.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: So can I ask, like in aside here talking about
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: the commanders, the quiet confidence and all this stuff. Any
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 4: does anybody look at Dan Quinn any differently? I mean
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: I always have to, I have to admit I do.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: I always thought he was a decent coach.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: Anyway, He's probably better than I thought. But you got
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: to turn that captain.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 6: That's it for me.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 4: The calf remember at the indort, recognized by Paul wants
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 4: to have an intelligent discussion.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty, I'm pretty.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 4: Who's here for the nonsense more than come on?
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 3: Deuce and I were sitting in the Indie airport coming
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: home from the combine, and we're sitting down to eat
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: some lunch, and I see this guy at the at
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: the bar and I jokingly said, oh, it's Dan It's
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: Dan Quinn. Because he had to have background.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 4: It was Quinn. I just looked at it. Look. He
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: took the Falcons.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 6: To the Super Bowl.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: Kyle Shannon probably.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 4: Should have won it right, But I think that's what
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 4: a lot of people said. He just wanted you guys.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 4: You know, he's a Dan Campbell, Dan Campbell lights. You know,
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 4: he's bullied by his offensive coordinator. So he's within, you know,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 4: a ridiculous sequence of plays from winning a Super Bowl
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: with the Falcons. That's like, that's no easy task, right.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: He goes to Washington, which has been the worst franchise
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 4: in football for thirty years, and he had an hour
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 4: in the NFC Championship. I have to admit, I think
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: maybe he's got a little bit more going on than
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 4: I gave him credit for.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: Yep. I just think if he just turned the cap around,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: I thought.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: It was just an uninspired retread higher.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: No, I think, well, he definitely knows how to hire
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: offensive coordinators, that's for sure. But also he But I
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: would say the other thing though with him, that separates him,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: in my opinion, from a guy like Dan Campbell's Dan
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: Quinkin can call a defense like Dan Quinn is a legitimate,
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: well in Dallas defensive coordinator. I did, I mean in
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: Seattle he was the guy. So like that's the difference,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: I think, But you know, I hope is the same
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: thing with Rabel is, like those guys could be defensive
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: coordinators as just as easily as they could have been
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: the head coach. So it's not just a culture higher
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: like you're not just a raw, raw guy. You have
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: that ability, all right.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: The six thirty game is on CBS and Paramount Plus.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: It's the thirteen and four Bills visiting the fifteen and
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: two Chiefs.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 4: Chiefs by one and a half.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: Ooh, Moses, Yeah, I'm going I'm going for Buffalo on
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 5: this one.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 6: I think it's their time.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, just at some point, since you can't see
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 5: you can't keep winning these games like this, like where
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 5: they're just doing just barely enough to get by. I
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 5: think it's Josh Allen's time. I think they're confident. I
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 5: think they got something to prove. And I'm gonna take
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 5: the Bills.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: My heart wants to take the Bills, but the fixes
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: in for the Chiefs, So I'm going to take Kansas
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: City and the Swifties, and I just I don't know, man,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: they just until they lose. I just feel like I
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: can't pick against the Chiefs, and they just find a
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: way to win these games. And I just wonder if
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: that's going to happen again. But I think Bubbo is
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: the better team. Like I think they're the better team
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: on paper. It's just something about Kansas City.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I understand where Evan's coming from. I think Buffalo
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: has just flat out better and I think that they
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: will win this game. I do think it's their time.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 4: As Mike said that said, you better not make it
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 4: let it be close at the end. If you do
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 4: your little thing that Joe Brady did last week and
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 4: allow the other team to get back in the game,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: you're not going to luck out because Mahomes will find
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 4: a way to get that two point conversion. So don't
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 4: leave it up to a player or two at the end,
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: because Mahomes will make it. I have unbelievable respect for
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 4: Andy Reid and Mahomes. We'll catch that and Kelsey won't
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 4: drop the ball that Mark Andrews dropped. So do what
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: you did in Buffalo. Instead of kicking a field goal
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: to go up five, you go for fourth and two
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 4: when you're up to when you make it a nine
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: point game and ended. That's what they That's the mentality
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 4: that Buffalo needs to bring. Will Sean McDermott and Joe
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: Brady do it. I think they will, but if it's close,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 4: I don't like it.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: Folks, this is your lock of the week. Kansas City
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: wins the game outright out covers that point and a half.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying easily. I have a lot of respect
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: for the Bills, but the window was closing. They cannot
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: upset the laws of nature by winning a super Bowl.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: And the best way to not win a super Bowl
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: is not get to the super Bowl. So the chief
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: the Chiefs do me a solid. They beat the Bills
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: and then lose in the super Bowl. We'll deal with that.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 4: I was gonna do one of those lame gifts and
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 4: send it to you after they won last week and
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: just put the window.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: If I knew how to do that, I will. I'll
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: teach it, so I I But in all seriousness, the
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: Chiefs not how to win.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 6: They know, no question about that.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. I think they've been getting better every week over
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: the last month.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 4: I agreed that they know how to win, and that
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 4: would worry me a little bit if I was a
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 4: Bills fan. I mean, if I was a fan, and
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 4: everything would borrow me.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's like Brady, it's it's like you said.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 5: I thought you laid it out so well.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 6: It's like you got to score score.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: You mentioned you're going to look at the weather, and
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: you didn't, sugar plumbs do that.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 4: Well, it's not gonna affect my parents, Philly.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: It looks like the weather is going to be fine.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: And then uh looks like both games it should be
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: relatively fine.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: All right, I have to run. There's still another fifteen minutes.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 4: You guys, take your guy first.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: I can't. I gotta go. I gotta go.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 4: Punch them up, touch them up.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: You do it and I'll be I'll see you next Tuesday.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 4: What you got, Christian?
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 14: Happyth anniversary with the New England Patriots organizations. I keep
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 14: track of these things, spread you.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 3: Know, and I want to call you Freddy.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 4: You listeners to this. This is unbelievable. This is unbelievable.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 4: This is why we can't have nice things, Christians, not
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 4: your phone. What are you saying today is.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 14: What thirtieth anniversary? We's been with the Patriots for thirty years?
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, why don't we talk about it? Because now Fred's
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 5: gone so we can we can. This is great, Christian,
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 5: You did nothing wrong. Christian, Thank you very much, for
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 5: calling in.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 6: We tried, We tried.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 5: Fred gave it one of the hold on, hold on,
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 5: he's coming back, he's coming back.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 4: Well, it's been brought to our attention that this is
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 4: your thirtieth anniversary with the organization.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: I think it's actually a twenty fifth, but thank you Christian.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: Thirtieth Yeah, no, no, it happens on the twenty fifth,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: But thank you Christian. I appreciate that you've been with
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: me from the start.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 14: It's such a community and a place for us to connect,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 14: and you put up with a complete nonsense. I mean
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 14: we put up with yours too.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 4: Okay, he's non plusty, he has a meeting.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 14: I love the show.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: Thanks Christian, Thank you Christian.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 4: All right, ah right, well.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 5: Paul, should we tell that the audience what what was
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 5: going on right there?
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 3: That is the most Fred reaction too.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 4: So I knew the reaction was going to be what
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: it was. Obviously we had Christian, you know, deliver that
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 4: news for us, because we knew Fred would be all
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 4: pissy if we did it ourselves and made a big
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 4: deal out of it. But just it's the most Fred
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 4: thing ever thirty years to just get up and walk out.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, He's like, no, it's a twenty fifth.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: There is a meeting. I happened to know what his
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: meeting is. He is a meeting at two o'clock. Like,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 4: it's one forty eight. We got to prepare.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 6: Maybe you don't want.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: To be late, please damn skippy.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: Well, so thank you Christian for doing that. And I
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 4: picked Christian to deliver that news because I am relatively
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 4: certain that he has been part of this show since
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 4: its inception.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 6: That's crazy, so he would know that it's thirty.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 5: Thirty years for could we do a little like Cursed
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 5: story time now, you know, in his honor since he's
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 5: not here. But when I came in to do my
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 5: just if you got a if you got a story
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 5: about it, I got I got one or you know
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 5: when how you got When I.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 4: Came in to do my interview and he had a
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 4: a like a meatball staying on his on his shirt,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 4: and I was like, I'm gonna be able to work here.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 4: I don't have to dress up. This is I can
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 4: do this.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll tell my story real quick because I I mean,
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 5: I've told you before when I got this job, I
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 5: really needed a job.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 6: I needed a job bad. I was freelancing.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 5: I was just desperate for work, and you know, all
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 5: of a sudden, out of the blue, Fred calls me.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 5: I like, Andy left, and I was like, I like,
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 5: who are you gonna hire? I've been blogging about this
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 5: team for ten years on my own emailed Fred and
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 5: you know, We'll conversed a couple of times, and I
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 5: was in like an auto part store and Fred called me.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 5: He's like, hey, why don't you to come on the show.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 5: So I came on the show with you guys, which
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 5: was crazy, and uh, you know, here I am sitting
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 5: with Paul Perillo and Eric and f you know, they
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 5: were they're the famous, you know, the great PF. I mean,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 5: I knew you more as the PFW guys after you rebranded.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 5: But so a couple of weeks didn't hear. And the
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 5: funny thing was, and finally I'm like, hey, you know,
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 5: I email Fred.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 4: I'm like, what's going on?
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 5: He's like So finally then HR calls and they're like, well,
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 5: we want you to come in for an interview. And
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 5: I was like, whoa, I just did a two hour
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 5: radio show. Does that count as an interview?
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 6: So I went in with.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 5: Fred and we were actually waiting for no Socks to
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 5: come up, and you know, a little nervous, like I said,
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 5: really needed the job bad, and and he's like, oh,
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 5: you know what, So would you do this weekend? I
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 5: was like, oh, I was just you know, down Cape
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 5: Cod at my mom's house. And he's like, well, wh
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 5: where are you from? I was like East Dennis.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 6: He's like, I grew up in East Dennis.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 5: And so right at that point, I was like, this
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 5: is this is where we started talking restaurants, we started
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 5: talking beaches.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 6: Uh, and so that point I knew it as well.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 5: So I'm for part of this part of the interview
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 5: that was what they were already.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 6: They were already cutting they were already cutting you out
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 6: of But no.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 4: I I was actually I was actually a way for
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 4: that second.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 14: Well.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 5: What other side note was that after I did my
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 5: radio appearance, Paul like we ended, we wrapped the PU
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 5: show and Paul looks at me and he's like, so,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 5: what happened to your sophomore year? And I was like
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 5: what I'm thinking. I'm like, oh, my hockey stats, you know,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 5: because my hockey stats it was like played a bunch
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 5: of my freshman year and I only played half the season.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 5: My suffare because I had Mono and so I was like, oh,
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 5: I have Mono. So it was that was kind of
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 5: a funny, funniest side. But but I'll always be so,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 5: you know, grateful to Fred for forgiving me this job
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 5: because like I really needed it, and I you know,
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 5: it was getting ready to go work at the grocery
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 5: store or something, trying to figure out how to make
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 5: ends meet and and provide for my family. So now
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 5: it's a it's pretty cool thirty years. That's amazing in
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 5: what a trailblazer he's been with the paper and the
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 5: radio and the internet shows and everything that he's done.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 6: So I'm glad we got to say all this without.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 4: Him here, yeah, because he would be mad. Right, you
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 4: got anything, you get a story.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: I have a couples, but I want yelling at you. Yeah,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: but one of them that goes like I had just
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: started here and I came to my desk and on
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 3: my desk was pads of football plays and like you
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: could like you know, like to pad plays, like you
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: could actually had the formations and you could draw. And
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: I'm just sitting there and I'm like, who who put
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 3: these on my desk and he comes out of his
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: office and he goes, oh, Evan, I put those on
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 3: your desk because I thought maybe you'd want to pad
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: some play. At this point, I like, you know, I
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: didn't know well enough to to like, you know, he's
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: my boss, So I was like, oh, yeah.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 4: Totally yeah, right, Mesh.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: As it turns out, he was Mesh, did you drop power?
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 3: Definitely probably busting my chops, And.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 4: I was too nervous.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 3: I was too nervous to at that point to just
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: bust back.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 4: So I got these pads, Like, I don't know if
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: he wants me to actually come up with different plays?
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, am I supposed to draw?
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 3: Do I have to present help?
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 5: He always clean out his desk and he's like, what
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 5: is this.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 3: That you'd want those?
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 6: But you've been with him how long?
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 6: Twenty five years now?
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 4: Twenty six seasons? I believe, wow? Yeah, And Fred's always
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 4: been great. What you hear on the on the radio
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  Speaker 4: is I mean, that's not that far off of what
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  Speaker 4: he is, you know. Off he gives us a lot
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  Speaker 4: of freedom to do our jobs, which I really appreciate.
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  Speaker 4: It's probably the biggest reason why I stayed here as
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  Speaker 4: long as I have is because they make it very
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  Speaker 4: easy to work, and I would say Fred and Matt
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  Speaker 4: both do that very well. So I'm not as happy
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  Speaker 4: about Fred as you guys because my entire time here
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  Speaker 4: and I've been looking for something that maybe you know,
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  Speaker 4: as much as I enjoy working here, it means something
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  Speaker 4: a little bit more lucrative, shall we say? Right?
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  Speaker 2: Shall we?
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  Speaker 4: Shall we say? And somehow he finds that opportunity for
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 4: everybody else who's worked here, but not me, So I'm
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 4: not as high on Fred for everybody else.
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  Speaker 5: I The other thing I like well Fred though, was
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  Speaker 5: like he's not afraid to play the fool. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: he's really obviously very sharp, very smart guy, but has
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  Speaker 5: a way about, you know, being able to be the
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  Speaker 5: butt of the joke and kind of.
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  Speaker 6: A pure aloof and goofy.
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  Speaker 5: But at the same time, you know, when it really
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  Speaker 5: gets down to brass tacks and there's serious stuff going on,
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  Speaker 5: you know, he knows what's going on. He knows how
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  Speaker 5: to push things, push the envelope, I mean, as he's
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  Speaker 5: done many times.
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  Speaker 4: And I'll just say, like, behind the scenes, there's been
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  Speaker 4: a lot of sort of memorable things that have gone
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  Speaker 4: on here, you know, with the organization, whether it be
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 4: you know, They're not done Network at the super Bowl
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  Speaker 4: in Minnesota, or Brady Knight, you know, just this past.
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  Speaker 4: You know, the the level of involvement that Fred has
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  Speaker 4: at the highest level, and I'm not saying this is
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  Speaker 4: not like a joke like what Mike and Tony do
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 4: to me on Sunshine dot Com. At the highest levels
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  Speaker 4: of the organization. The stuff that the Craft family not
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  Speaker 4: only wants Fred's input but respects Fred's input on would
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  Speaker 4: blow people away. The amount of things that he's had
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  Speaker 4: his hands on, and not all of them have been
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  Speaker 4: home runs. You know, sometimes we try some things. I
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 4: remember we had like a Digital Gold Club, you know,
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  Speaker 4: DVDs and stuff like that with behind the scenes you
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  Speaker 4: know special you know, kind of like a version of
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 4: the newsletter that we were trying to like special interviews
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  Speaker 4: and stuff didn't work. You know, they're not all home runs,
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  Speaker 4: but most of them have worked, you know, from the
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 4: paper to the website, the World's Original podcast, the podcasts
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  Speaker 4: that we do. You know, Fred was instrumental in all
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: of it, and the Crafts really respect his opinions on
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  Speaker 4: all of this stuff and that's why they've given him
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  Speaker 4: the latitude that they do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's like the best ideas man that
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  Speaker 3: I've maybe ever been around, where like you just you
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  Speaker 3: might have even like a half bake idea yourself, and
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  Speaker 3: then like all of a sudden, he like brings it
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  Speaker 3: out into this like whole, like big thing and they're like,
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: it's you know, pretty crazy. Like I think the like
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  Speaker 3: Brady Knight's kind of a good example where that was
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  Speaker 3: something that was just sort of kicked around and then
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden it becomes like this amazing you
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  Speaker 3: know night for the organization, And I'll just say really
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: quick to you know, just allowing me to do Catch
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  Speaker 3: twenty two with barth in like when I got here
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  Speaker 3: and giving me that opportunity to bring the podcast with
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: me was was just a tremendous like I really appreciate that.
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  Speaker 4: That's a great example of what I'm talking about. You know,
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  Speaker 4: he you know John Rooks playbook that we did for
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  Speaker 4: you know a long time. I know, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 4: some of the things have changed over the years. He
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  Speaker 4: had a fantasy football podcast that he did for a while,
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 4: you know with Banks, right with a couple of Don
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 4: Banks would do like a sort of an NFL at large,
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 4: you know, column online in podcasts. Like I said, some
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  Speaker 4: of them lasted for decades. Some of them, you know
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 4: it didn't work. But the fact that he's always willing
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 4: to try some different things and the Catch twenty two
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  Speaker 4: is a great example of it. So again, thirty years
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 4: is not an insignificant amount of time to be at
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 4: one one organization, and this is a business that choose
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 4: people up and spits them out. Yeah, so I consider
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 4: myself lucky to have work for him for as long
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  Speaker 4: as I have. I say these things because he's not here,
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 4: and he won't He won't know how.
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  Speaker 3: Long we just went on about him.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 4: He wouldn't be happy about it, but just we love him.
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  Speaker 4: He's been a great, great boss for a long time
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  Speaker 4: for me.
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  Speaker 5: And he's kissed Tom Brady. Let's jump over here. One
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 5: last call on the TPX hotline with Mark and Connecticut.
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  Speaker 7: Heymark, Hey Evan, I was trying to get a hold
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  Speaker 7: of you yesterday, but I know you.
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  Speaker 14: Guys are really busy on the Catch twenty two podcasts.
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  Speaker 14: I just had one real quick one for you, which
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 14: you would.
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  Speaker 7: Post it on Twitter. Slash x Jacobe Myers, great guy,
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 7: great chain mover on third down. Any possible way that
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 7: we could try and try him away from the Las
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 7: Vegas Raiders with a trade or something of those lines.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I posted about that, maybe a little bit tongue
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 3: in cheek, just because they brought back Josh. I was like, Wow,
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 3: we just get the whole band back together. But really,
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: and you think about it, Jacoby Meyers last year had
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: a thousand yards with Gardner Minshew and Aidan O'Connell throwing
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: him passes in Vegas. The Patriots haven't had a thousand
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 3: yard receiver since Julian Edelman in twenty nineteen. Wow, on
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  Speaker 3: the roster like period, like not even just a thousand
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 3: yard receiver here. I think DeVante Parker was the only
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 3: other guy that's had in his entire career has had
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 3: in a thousand yard season.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't realize that. Yeah, I just.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's you know, Snagalo never gotten just to
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 3: kind of like put your nose up to Jacoby. I
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 3: think now I'm not saying he's the savior. He's obviously
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 3: only a piece and not the piece. But with the
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 3: Raiders also changing regimes and potentially changing offenses and all
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. I just thought, you know, maybe
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 3: he would want to come back here with Josh.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it just stands out to me about him,
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 5: it's just reliability, and I think that's a big thing
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 5: that was missing around here. And I know we could
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 5: get into talking about and look, we want dynamic guys.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 3: I want speed.
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  Speaker 5: I want to really get a one two and guys
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 5: that move the needle. But I think there needs to
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 5: be an element of Jacoby Myers what he brought with
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 5: just tough catches on third down. You knew he was
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 5: gonna be where you needed him to be. That really
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 5: didn't exist last year.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean he's a volume slot. Like we talked
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 3: about it earlier, like that, that's not really what we
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 3: see the Mario Douglas being. But he is a true
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 3: volume slot. Yeah, you need the DeVante Adams or something
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 3: like that on the outside to be the more dynamic guy.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 3: But he's one of those guys that you could target
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty five times in a season and
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 3: he'd be able to play seventeen games.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 4: I like Jacoby Myers, always have, always will. I'd like
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 4: to do better.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's all one of his dad still listens to
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 5: the podcast. I love mister Myers probably and probably still listens,
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 5: but you know.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 4: I love all of the families that we've heard from
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 4: over the years. Again, that's a testament to Fred Marcus.
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  Speaker 4: People care about there you go, people care about listening
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  Speaker 4: to us.
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  Speaker 5: All right, I think that's going to do it for us.
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  Speaker 5: Stay tuned for the big NFC and AFC championship games
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 5: this week, and I'll be in an AHL Hockey game
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  Speaker 5: for the first one.
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