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Martha Wright · Postcards to the Universe

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Postcards to the Universe with Melissa Caprio. Do
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Speaker 1: you believe in magic? What if you were told that
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Speaker 1: all you had to do was get a little creative
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Speaker 1: and work a magic spell to bring anything you can
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Speaker 1: imagine into your life? Here on Postcards to the Universe,
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Speaker 1: we will share manifesting, tips, postcards, creativity, abundance, and prosperity.
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Speaker 1: Here's your host, Melissa Caprio.
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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to Postcards to the Universe with Melissa, creating the
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Speaker 3: life you crave.
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Speaker 2: How's everybody doing?
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Speaker 3: I cannot believe that we are in September already, although
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Speaker 3: it doesn't feel like it because it's so hot.
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Speaker 2: It's, oh my God, so hot here.
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Speaker 3: But this year is like flown by. I say that
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Speaker 3: every year that this has been the most wild year.
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Speaker 3: So maybe I should stop saying that so 2027 can.
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Speaker 2: Be a little bit calmer.
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Speaker 3: But we are already in September of 2026, and it's
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Speaker 3: just flown by. But so many exciting things are happening,
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Speaker 3: even with all the craziness. Today I have a really
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Speaker 3: interesting guest. She's a medicine woman and a healer, Martha Wright,
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Speaker 3: and she's going to join me in just a couple
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Speaker 3: of minutes to my regulars who join me every week
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Speaker 3: and send me emails and send me manifesting postcards. Thank
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Speaker 3: you so much. I really, really appreciate you. If you're
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Speaker 3: joining me for the first time, I am an author.
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Speaker 3: You can see my book behind me, but I'll hold
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Speaker 3: up a copy. It's called Postcards to the Universe, Harness
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Speaker 3: the Universe's Power and Manifest Your Dreams. And I have
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Speaker 3: people create manifesting postcards and they send them to me
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Speaker 3: and then I photograph them. And I am making an
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Speaker 3: affirmation oracle deck. I have a homemade one already done.
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Speaker 3: I pull cards.
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Speaker 2: I do little readings, little oracle readings. I would love
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Speaker 2: it if you.
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Speaker 3: Would go over to my Postcards to the Universe channel
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Speaker 3: on YouTube and you could see those videos. I try
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Speaker 3: to keep the oracle card readings around three minutes because
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Speaker 3: I know people don't have a lot of time and
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Speaker 3: don't have a lot of patience just to see what
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Speaker 3: the day's affirmation is. And I started pulling a card
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Speaker 3: before each show. So today's card is, I am open
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Speaker 3: to love. So this card is asking you, are you
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Speaker 3: open to love? Now, I'm talking about any kind of love.
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Speaker 3: This is not necessarily romantic love. Is your heart open
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Speaker 3: or are you keeping your heart closed? Are you closing
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Speaker 3: your heart off to loving yourself, to loving others, to
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Speaker 3: loving your community? to loving what you do, to loving
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Speaker 3: family and friends. This is a reminder for us to
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Speaker 3: open up our hearts and be open to love. There's 52,
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Speaker 3: I think there's 52 cards.
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Speaker 2: I'm terrible with numbers. 52 cards in the deck.
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Speaker 3: And I am in process of writing the booklet that
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Speaker 3: goes along with it right now. So it will be available.
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Speaker 3: And what I do is somebody sends me a card.
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Speaker 3: I set the space. I set an intention. I play
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Speaker 3: high frequency music or really nice, beautiful, uplifting music.
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Speaker 2: I set candles. I sage the space. And then I
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Speaker 2: look for things.
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Speaker 3: That I have to add to the card and it's
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Speaker 3: meeting to help push the wish forward into the universe.
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Speaker 3: So I'm sort of like helping hold the dream for
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Speaker 3: the person who submitted the card. And this one is,
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Speaker 3: I am open to love. And they're just, they've been
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Speaker 3: really fun to make. And it taps into my creative
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Speaker 3: side because my background is in photography. So that is
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Speaker 3: something that, that I love to do and I keep doing.
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Speaker 3: And I do those readings on my YouTube channel. I
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Speaker 3: started doing tarot readings. I'm in learning astrology right now.
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Speaker 3: I'm taking courses in astrology. So you'll see me talking
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Speaker 3: about more of those. And I do short 10, 15
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Speaker 3: minute reading, not readings, just inspirational talks, like whatever comes
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Speaker 3: up in my mind.
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Speaker 2: I'm a Gemini.
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Speaker 3: I'm a Gemini with Mercury and Gemini. So communication is
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Speaker 3: my thing. So thoughts are popping into my head constantly.
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Speaker 3: And if there's something I want to talk about, you'll
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Speaker 3: see my face and I do a short video. So
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Speaker 3: I would really love it if you would go over
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Speaker 3: there and subscribe and follow me.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 3: So let me talk about our guest today, Martha Wright.
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Speaker 3: She is a medicine woman. She is a healer. She
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Speaker 3: is a coach and a guide whose work brings together
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Speaker 3: Celtic spirituality, shamanic energy healing, psychology, somatic awareness, executive coaching,
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Speaker 3: and grief-tending Known for blending deep compassion with a grounded,
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Speaker 3: empowering approach, she helps people reclaim their agency, strength, and
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Speaker 3: their self-awareness and move with life with greater presence, confidence,
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Speaker 3: and connection.
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Speaker 2: Welcome, Martha. I'm so excited to talk to her today.
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Speaker 3: And I'm going to have her whole bio listed underneath
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Speaker 3: this video, and you can see all about her and
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Speaker 3: where you can contact her on her website.
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Speaker 2: So it's marthamw.com, Martha?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: That's correct. Yeah. MW could be Martha Wright or Medicine Woman. Okay. Oh, right.
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Speaker 2: That's perfect.
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Speaker 3: So all of that information is going to be in
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Speaker 3: the description so people can go right to you if
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Speaker 3: they want to find out more about you. So thank
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Speaker 3: you so much for joining me today. I'm really excited
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Speaker 3: to talk to you.
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Speaker 4: I'm so jazzed to be here. Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 3: So let's talk about, I always start What led you
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Speaker 3: into the work that you're doing right now? Because there's
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Speaker 3: usually a story, a projection in your life. You were
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Speaker 3: going one way, something happened, and it completely took you
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Speaker 3: somewhere else. So I'm always interested in people's origin story
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Speaker 3: of how they're doing the work they're doing.
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Speaker 4: So I have had a lifelong calling to working with spirit.
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Speaker 4: When I was seven, my family, we were on a
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Speaker 4: trip to Nepal. We were in Kathmandu. And I walked
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Speaker 4: into a temple. And when I walked in, like, I
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Speaker 4: blinked and everything got slower. And I opened my eyes.
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Speaker 4: And it was just me and, like, 50, 70 monks
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Speaker 4: sitting in rows chanting. And there was incense and candles.
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Speaker 4: And I said, I'm home. And I blinked again. And
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Speaker 4: I opened up. And it's 1992 again, or 91. And
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Speaker 4: I'm surrounded by neon fanny packs and tourists. And I
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Speaker 4: was like, and my mom said, what did you say?
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Speaker 4: And I said, I'm home. And she was like, whatever.
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Speaker 4: And so then we kept walking. And so then, you know,
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Speaker 4: nothing changes, right? I just become a kid and I'm
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Speaker 4: a kid. And then around 15, I had an out
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Speaker 4: of body experience that felt deeply astral. And, and then
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Speaker 4: that freaked me out. So that put me right back
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Speaker 4: in the spiritual closet.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: And then around 23, I started having these like astral
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Speaker 4: projection moments and, and I didn't know what to do
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Speaker 4: with it. It kind of spooked me. So I, I
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Speaker 4: kept getting these knocks at the door. And finally, around 25,
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Speaker 4: my friend's mother did Reiki on me. And that was
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Speaker 4: the first time I'd ever experienced energy work, to my knowledge,
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Speaker 4: of course. And I had been across the world and
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Speaker 4: had these amazing experiences. But that blew me away. And
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Speaker 4: in that moment, she got over my solar plexus. And
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Speaker 4: this massive... Well, she saw a lion, but I saw
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Speaker 4: this rageful cave woman just like... pissed off and she
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Speaker 4: jumped out of me and disappeared and I was like
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Speaker 4: uh what is it where is she gonna put her
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Speaker 4: back in what is happening call the police and um
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Speaker 4: and she was like I saw a lion I think
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Speaker 4: that was your inner strength and I was like okay
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Speaker 4: what do I do and she says I don't know
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Speaker 4: and so I started learning Reiki and then I became
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Speaker 4: a Reiki master teacher um started trying to find community
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Speaker 4: ended up in some new age platforms that just didn't
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Speaker 4: feel right for me. And there's nothing wrong with them.
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Speaker 4: They just weren't for me. Um, because there was this
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Speaker 4: other divine plan for me. Right. And so then after
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Speaker 4: I became a mom, um, the phone started ringing again
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Speaker 4: and I was like, hello, new phone, who this? And
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Speaker 4: spirit was like, it's us. And I was like, I
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Speaker 4: don't know. I'm kind of busy and not sleeping.
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Speaker 2: And they were like, this is the perfect time.
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Speaker 4: You'll be all right. When could it be better? Right.
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Speaker 4: And so, um, So I began my first shamanic apprenticeship
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Speaker 4: and that was in Egyptian Mysteries. And that's where I
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Speaker 4: learned a lot about the Akashic and started learning about
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Speaker 4: energy and shamanic journeying and everything that kind of these
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Speaker 4: core shamanic principles and then dove into core shamanism as
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Speaker 4: like a personal self-study. And then from there, I felt
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Speaker 4: this need to deepen and anchor more, but I didn't
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Speaker 4: know where to go. And so I didn't want to
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Speaker 4: go down to South America, Central America, because I didn't
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Speaker 4: feel that ancestral calling to me. So I went with
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Speaker 4: my bloodline and that was Scottish and Irish. And so I,
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Speaker 4: I went that way and I, I did a couple apprenticeships. Um,
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Speaker 4: and then, and at the same time also became a
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Speaker 4: breathwork teacher, which is important because I do believe it's
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Speaker 4: so great when we can anchor the energy work into
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Speaker 4: the somatic body. Um, But then in the Celtic, the
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Speaker 4: second apprenticeship, I was in a guided journey. And it
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Speaker 4: was like, at the end of this year-long journey, we're
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Speaker 4: going to meet the goddess who called you here. And
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Speaker 4: I was like, sweet. It's going to be Bridget. That's
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Speaker 4: a Bridget's cross, right?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I noticed that over you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I was like, everyone loves Bridget.
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Speaker 2: And so we've been there.
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Speaker 4: And I don't. feeler and i was like martha stop
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Speaker 4: trying to control this shit you know you can't yeah
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Speaker 4: and so all of a sudden i heard this name
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Speaker 4: five in my ear and i said oh no wait
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Speaker 4: i think i know that name oh no and i
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Speaker 4: started getting nervous and she's one third of the goddess
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Speaker 4: morrigan or morrigan and so the goddess of death the
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Speaker 4: prophecy of battle and fury you know war battle fury
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Speaker 4: And five is the aspect of her who keens, who
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Speaker 4: cries and grieves and mourns as these soldiers are going
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Speaker 4: to battle. Or will the archetypal energy of the Banshee
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Speaker 4: that comes from her will scream and wail at someone's
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Speaker 4: house in the middle of the night to let people
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Speaker 4: know someone's about to die. Which, by the way, is terrifying, right?
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Speaker 4: You have this veiled woman in the middle. Of course
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Speaker 4: people were scared of her. Of course being a keener
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Speaker 4: became very fringe because you're of this other world connection
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Speaker 4: and it's not one that people are super excited about.
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Speaker 4: But sure enough, I did a nine-month deep dive in
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Speaker 4: keening with my teacher. And that was it. I mean,
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Speaker 4: this is where I am now. And so I'm writing
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Speaker 4: a book about the death to rebirth process with Irish goddesses.
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Speaker 4: And I do keening retreats. But everything all relates. My
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Speaker 4: energy sessions are a bit of Reiki, a bit of Akashic,
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Speaker 4: a bit of grief tending and wildness, that wild woman
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Speaker 4: who came out of me. She knew I needed to
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Speaker 4: get back to my roots as a keening woman, but
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Speaker 4: I needed all of these other things, the breathwork, the energy,
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Speaker 4: et cetera, to hold that. I needed that information to
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Speaker 4: really understand what I was doing, how it was happening,
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Speaker 4: and how it's supporting. So yeah, that's my origin story.
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Speaker 2: No, that's a beautiful story.
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Speaker 3: I have always felt a connection to that Celtic even
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Speaker 3: though I have none in this lifetime, I'm Italian and
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Speaker 3: the deep lineages and Sicilians and Italy and all that.
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Speaker 3: But when I was in Ireland and England, I felt
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Speaker 3: like I had been there before. So I'm assuming this
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Speaker 3: is a past life experience because it felt very, I
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Speaker 3: felt very connected to the land. And I drove through
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Speaker 3: Ireland and I remember staying in a lot of places
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Speaker 3: and You know, people telling us, of course, about the fairies,
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Speaker 3: which happened to happen. I had three pairs of earrings
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Speaker 3: taken that I've never had happen to me anywhere else
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Speaker 3: except for Ireland.
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Speaker 2: I've lost one. Because they were shiny.
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Speaker 3: And then I remember someone mentioning.
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Speaker 2: You may hear the keening.
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Speaker 3: Because we were driving not in the, we weren't in
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Speaker 3: the cities.
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Speaker 2: We were in the countryside.
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Speaker 3: We were in the farmlands and where the stones, there
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Speaker 3: were all these stones everywhere. circles and all these places.
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Speaker 3: So I remember thinking, oh my God, if I hear
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Speaker 3: the woman, the banshee genie, I'm going to have a
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Speaker 3: heart attack.
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Speaker 4: Take all the earrings you want.
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 5: Exactly.
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Speaker 3: But, but it fascinates me, the mythology, the lore, the
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Speaker 3: ancestry there. So the fact that you found through your
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Speaker 3: lineage that you have a connection and you're exploring it,
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Speaker 3: I think is, really interesting. So, well, we have to
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Speaker 3: now explain what is keening because people may not know
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Speaker 3: what that means.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. So, so keening is a grief ritual. And so
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Speaker 4: a keener, so a bonkeensha, which means woman keener, farkeensha,
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Speaker 4: which means male keener, because there were male keeners too,
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Speaker 4: but the bonkeensha or the mana, the women keenshas, the
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Speaker 4: keening women would be hired by a family after the
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Speaker 4: loss of a loved one. And they would come to
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Speaker 4: the wake, which would typically be a three day affair.
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Speaker 4: And there's three of the women and they would cry
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Speaker 4: and there'd be one lead woman and they would all
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Speaker 4: be wearing black and the black lace veils or silk
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Speaker 4: or whatever they could make, you know, linen. And so
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Speaker 4: the veils they would wear and they would tear at
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Speaker 4: their hair and they would scream and they would beat
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Speaker 4: their hands against a table or a chair and they
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Speaker 4: would wail and sing and sing beautiful songs and laments
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Speaker 4: and also dirges and then talk. Oh, you know, Patrick,
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Speaker 4: why'd you have to leave us? You know, you were
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Speaker 4: a good father. And what they were doing, it was
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Speaker 4: so performative, but it was purposeful. Because through their performance,
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Speaker 4: they would evoke this deep grief that would otherwise just
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Speaker 4: stagnate or maybe be buried under the distraction and productivity
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Speaker 4: of life. And they unearthed it in those moments so
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Speaker 4: that people could really cleanse and release their emotions. And
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Speaker 4: then when they left, they were ready to move on
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Speaker 4: and get back to living. And this is, you know,
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Speaker 4: it's not, this yes is practice in Ireland and Scotland
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Speaker 4: and to some degree, possibly also in Wales and Isle
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Speaker 4: of Man, but we don't have records, at least not
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Speaker 4: to my knowledge, not yet. But this is an ancient
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Speaker 4: practice that was around the world. We see it in Egypt.
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Speaker 4: We see it in parts of like Turkey and Greece. It's,
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Speaker 4: it's amazing to, that this is such a deeply natural process.
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Speaker 4: And it speaks to the fact that I don't have
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Speaker 4: to explain the history to tell someone, do you know
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Speaker 4: when you grieve so hard, like you just are crying,
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Speaker 4: you feel such a hit in your heart that you
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Speaker 4: lose connection to the moment and something in your bones
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Speaker 4: just seeps out and it just pours out of, and
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Speaker 4: you don't even know who you are when you're doing it.
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Speaker 4: That's the key. So it's, it is, you know, when
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Speaker 4: we think about it, it is overwhelming. It's not something
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Speaker 4: people are like, yeah, sweet. I'm going to go lose
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Speaker 4: myself to crying and screaming later. Like people aren't like
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Speaker 4: jazz to do it.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 4: But it is absolutely transformative. And so the keen was
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Speaker 4: largely suppressed and kind of eradicated, but then two women,
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Speaker 4: one in Ireland named Mary McLaughlin and one in Scotland
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Speaker 4: named Madge Bray started reviving the practice, studying the old
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Speaker 4: folk songs and started writing books, speaking songs, And so
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Speaker 4: they have taught students. And so I learned from my,
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Speaker 4: my mentor and it's, but the way I learned is
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Speaker 4: much more shamanic. And so rather than singing to evoke
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Speaker 4: the grief for me, it's channeling. And then where, you know,
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Speaker 4: where there's music, there's drumming, there's chanting. And I do
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Speaker 4: sing and tone and do vocables, but I don't have
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Speaker 4: songs because I'm not a formal seeker. And then it's
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Speaker 4: a lot of movement, breath and permission and, because the
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Speaker 4: truth is, is that we all have this inside of us,
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Speaker 4: but we don't always feel safe to let it out.
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Speaker 4: And we don't always know that we're able and allowed to.
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Speaker 4: And so that permission piece is pretty, pretty impactful.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean, and I imagine it doesn't have
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Speaker 3: to just be the deep grief of death, right?
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Speaker 2: It could be any kind of deep grief.
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Speaker 3: It could be going through a divorce or, you know,
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Speaker 3: the ending of a friendship, a deep connection to you.
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Speaker 2: So go ahead. What were you going to say?
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Speaker 4: I mean, it could be grief. It could be rage.
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Speaker 4: It could be some pleasure. I've definitely heard. And so
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Speaker 4: I do retreats in person. I've done group keens virtually
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Speaker 4: and in person as well as individual person in person
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Speaker 4: and virtual. So it just depends on the person and
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Speaker 4: what they need. But I've absolutely heard people having orgasms.
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Speaker 4: Not because they're touching themselves, but because there was this
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Speaker 4: sense of delight that was in their body that they
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Speaker 4: couldn't experience in the moment they were in. And so
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Speaker 4: it was repressed and suppressed. And so now that all
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Speaker 4: of this stuff is coming out, that comes out too.
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Speaker 4: And what's underneath all of that, underneath releasing all this
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Speaker 4: pent up emotion that's been stuffed down into the recesses,
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Speaker 4: I feel like I said that like an English lit professor,
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Speaker 4: the recesses, the recesses of our body. Right. What's underneath
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Speaker 4: that is our wildness, this true aspect of self that's
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Speaker 4: like intuitive and connected to nature and to each other
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Speaker 4: and divine and aware and remembering that we came here
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Speaker 4: for a reason and we came here to live. And
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Speaker 4: so it helped that wildness, that wild woman that was
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Speaker 4: in me who was first angry and but then became
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Speaker 4: who I am now. It's all about learning how to live.
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Speaker 4: And it's, it's, that's one of the most beautiful things
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Speaker 4: about the keen is it really helps that it's very empowering.
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Speaker 3: It sounds it, it sounds like you're really helping people
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Speaker 3: move that energy through their bodies to release it. Because
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Speaker 3: I know just from, you know, losing people in my life,
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Speaker 3: you know, there's an expectation, a societal expectation. You grieve, you,
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Speaker 3: this amount, somebody dies, you grieve, you're allowed this amount.
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Speaker 3: And like, we don't really want to see it. You know,
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Speaker 3: you can cry the first few days, but after that,
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Speaker 3: you know, here's your, we send a basket of, you know, fruit,
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Speaker 3: you know, we come to the service and then people
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Speaker 3: don't want to, you know, people remove themselves from you
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Speaker 3: when you're grieving. That's a big, like, we're not taught
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Speaker 3: how to handle the grieving process and we're not taught
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Speaker 3: how to support other people who are grieving. So it
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Speaker 3: sounds like healing can be a very healing practice.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely. And I think it's beautiful when we remember that
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Speaker 4: in these extremely vulnerable and tender moments that we are
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Speaker 4: worthy of love. We were born worthy of love and
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Speaker 4: we're willing, sorry, we're not, well, we are willing, but
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Speaker 4: we are, we are capable and able to receive love.
19:31
Speaker 4: And sometimes that love is not through I'm so sorry.
19:35
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry this happened to you. Or it's going
19:37
Speaker 4: to be okay. No, it's just witnessing. Just witnessing someone
19:41
Speaker 4: as they are and saying, I see you and I
19:44
Speaker 4: hear you and I'm holding space with you. I'm right here.
19:47
Speaker 4: I'm not walking away. I'm holding your hand. What do
19:50
Speaker 4: you need right now? And it's like, I mean, that
19:53
Speaker 4: can be amazing. Yeah.
19:55
Speaker 1: Yeah.
19:57
Speaker 2: No, you're right.
19:58
Speaker 3: And I want to ask you, what happens to us
20:01
Speaker 3: emotionally or even physically when grief is, you know, given
20:06
Speaker 3: a sound, we're allowed to express it instead of being
20:10
Speaker 3: holding it silently in our bodies.
20:12
Speaker 2: How does that manifest?
20:14
Speaker 4: Oh, okay. Well, um, in keening. So I've heard so many, okay.
20:20
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I just got really excited.
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Speaker 3: I love that because that is you're doing what you're
20:25
Speaker 3: supposed to do. That's how you know, when you get
20:27
Speaker 3: super excited about talking about your work, you're, you're where
20:31
Speaker 3: you're supposed to be.
20:32
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you.
20:34
Speaker 1: Yes.
20:34
Speaker 4: Oh, Thank you. I'll pay you later. No, I'm kidding.
20:38
Speaker 2: Sorry.
20:39
Speaker 4: So, right. So I have seen it in all sorts
20:42
Speaker 4: of different ways. So it can be for some women
20:45
Speaker 4: or men or individuals, non-binary people. For some people, it's
20:51
Speaker 4: silence and it's stillness because they constantly had to do,
20:56
Speaker 4: they had to go and fix and be ready and
20:58
Speaker 4: pull up your bootstraps. So for them, silence and stillness
21:02
Speaker 4: is revolutionary because For others, it is screaming words that
21:06
Speaker 4: were never heard, that were never able to be said
21:09
Speaker 4: or never received openly, or chants and statements. But a
21:15
Speaker 4: lot of the times, it is this crescendo of starting
21:22
Speaker 4: to moan and move and just kind of swaying and
21:26
Speaker 4: just like, you know, it could be as subtle as like, uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh.
21:31
Speaker 4: And then it starts to move more and maybe they
21:34
Speaker 4: move or maybe they're not moving. But then it goes
21:36
Speaker 4: into this open mouth expression. And for some people, it's
21:41
Speaker 4: very audible. And for some people, it's a silent scream.
21:44
Speaker 4: I tend to go silent scream because I don't want
21:46
Speaker 4: to burn out my vocal cords because I do a
21:50
Speaker 4: lot of talking. But this act of opening the mouth
21:55
Speaker 4: and letting this energy out. And so what it looks like,
21:59
Speaker 4: it could look totally different each time. It totally depends
22:03
Speaker 4: on what your body is processing at that point. And
22:08
Speaker 4: so it, yeah, a lot of times as well, the
22:11
Speaker 4: beautiful thing about the somatic body is that as we
22:15
Speaker 4: are processing the energetics of perhaps a trauma or a
22:19
Speaker 4: repression or something that was conditioned in us, our body
22:25
Speaker 4: might somatically shake. And this is why the movement is
22:28
Speaker 4: so important, because if we stay still, our body's like, well,
22:31
Speaker 4: we don't feel safe. We're not able to move. Well,
22:34
Speaker 4: so the more that we move, the more likely we're
22:36
Speaker 4: able to kind of stretch or even shake out or
22:40
Speaker 4: just kind of, you know, push back and forth. And
22:42
Speaker 4: what we're doing is our body is softening the bones,
22:47
Speaker 4: the joints, I should say, the muscles and the fascia
22:51
Speaker 4: where the energy had been stored. And so a lot
22:54
Speaker 4: of times when people hold grief, grief is in the lungs.
22:56
Speaker 4: And so if we're constantly breathing in the upper chest,
22:59
Speaker 4: because that's what we do in a very hyper productive
23:02
Speaker 4: and hyper vigilant society, when we breathe down into the lungs,
23:06
Speaker 4: which is how we begin the keen and how we begin,
23:09
Speaker 4: you know, activating healing breath work. That's when we start
23:12
Speaker 4: to tap into that energy that's been stored in there.
23:14
Speaker 4: And so it's really quite beautiful. And so people will
23:18
Speaker 4: have different body aches, maybe, um, based on, you know,
23:22
Speaker 4: if you look at traditional Chinese medicine, like if there's
23:24
Speaker 4: a lot of rage, they may feel it underneath the
23:26
Speaker 4: right lung. And I'm like, okay, well, there's your liver,
23:29
Speaker 4: you know? And so it's, again, it's, this is kind
23:31
Speaker 4: of a non-answer, but there is no one way to
23:34
Speaker 4: do it. And that's something else I love about it
23:36
Speaker 4: is that there's no predicting, controlling, there's just allowing. And
23:40
Speaker 4: it's all beautiful.
23:42
Speaker 2: Now it's so fascinating.
23:43
Speaker 3: And now that we're realizing that our emotions store physically
23:48
Speaker 3: in our bodies, right? And we're getting more and more
23:52
Speaker 3: proof of this. One of the hardest times I ever
23:58
Speaker 3: grieved was when I was going through my divorce. I
24:01
Speaker 3: also was moving homes and I also lost the job
24:05
Speaker 3: I loved at the same time. It was a three
24:07
Speaker 3: or one hitter, right? So, and of course I went
24:10
Speaker 3: through the grief and the crying and everything, but years later,
24:14
Speaker 3: now I was no longer actively grieving that, but years
24:16
Speaker 3: later I gave up smoking and I used to love
24:20
Speaker 3: to smoke cigarettes. So I had an emotional attachment to
24:23
Speaker 3: it and I grieved it. I got double pneumonia. I
24:28
Speaker 3: got so sick. And I didn't know it at the time,
24:32
Speaker 3: but now I can see that all that stored grief
24:36
Speaker 3: from what had happened years before. And then the giving
24:39
Speaker 3: up of something that I'd done since I was a
24:41
Speaker 3: teenager that I loved. It was my, I mean, I
24:44
Speaker 3: really enjoyed it and I never.
24:45
Speaker 2: Had a problem. I was never sick. You know, I
24:49
Speaker 2: emotionally grieved it.
24:51
Speaker 3: It had to come out and I got very, very
24:54
Speaker 3: sick and it took a while to get that out
24:57
Speaker 3: of my body. Yeah.
24:58
Speaker 2: So it's fascinating.
24:59
Speaker 5: Yeah. It is.
25:00
Speaker 4: The body is so intelligent and we have these layers
25:03
Speaker 4: of intelligence, right? We have our, our physical somatic, you know,
25:08
Speaker 4: kind of animal instinct wisdom. And then we have our
25:13
Speaker 4: trauma responses, which, you know, are going to in our
25:15
Speaker 4: conditioned responses, which are learned within, within all of that
25:18
Speaker 4: deep within all that is that soul wisdom, that intuition.
25:21
Speaker 4: And it's like, all of that is felt to the body.
25:23
Speaker 4: All of that is felt through embodied senses. And so
25:28
Speaker 4: like when we, constantly live, I work with university students
25:32
Speaker 4: during the day and, and well, not every, well, yes,
25:35
Speaker 4: I do. And so when we live life behind screens,
25:40
Speaker 4: we are becoming disembodied because we're not thinking about how
25:43
Speaker 4: does my body feel in this space? How is my
25:45
Speaker 4: body reacting to another body, to a, to the confines
25:49
Speaker 4: of a hallway? I did it again, the confines of
25:52
Speaker 4: a hallway versus a large room. You know, we don't,
25:55
Speaker 4: we're not feeling as much. And so when we start
25:58
Speaker 4: to think about Well, how do I feel? How do
26:00
Speaker 4: I know my intuition? How do I hear it? Well,
26:03
Speaker 4: you have to feel it.
26:04
Speaker 2: Well, not everyone.
26:04
Speaker 4: Sometimes people hear it. Some people see it. Of course,
26:06
Speaker 4: we know these different psychic senses, but it is truly
26:09
Speaker 4: all embodied. We need to be connected to our body.
26:11
Speaker 4: And a lot of the times that relates to unearthing
26:16
Speaker 4: and releasing tenderness and grief, because like you said, those
26:21
Speaker 4: cigarettes were your best friend. You didn't say that. I
26:24
Speaker 4: said that for you.
26:24
Speaker 2: No, they were. I did say that.
26:26
Speaker 3: No, because they were with me when I would drink
26:29
Speaker 3: and party and have a good time. They were with
26:31
Speaker 3: me when I was stressed. They were with me with
26:32
Speaker 3: my coffee. They were in my car as I was
26:34
Speaker 3: listening to music.
26:35
Speaker 4: Yeah. That's it. They helped you through some really tough stuff.
26:39
Speaker 4: And then you had to say goodbye to them. And
26:40
Speaker 4: it's like, well, shit. Exactly. Exactly.
26:46
Speaker 2: Exactly.
26:46
Speaker 3: I was not expecting to get as sick as I was,
26:49
Speaker 3: but now looking back, I'm grateful for the experience because
26:52
Speaker 3: I released a lot.
26:53
Speaker 2: I released a lot.
26:55
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26:57
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Speaker 3: I don't even know like how you even describe yourself
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Speaker 3: with everything that you do. And we've been talking about
30:02
Speaker 3: keening and you talk about how keening with the rewilding.
30:05
Speaker 3: So how is the rewilding work into that?
30:10
Speaker 4: So, and it's actually perfect because that's exactly what I
30:13
Speaker 4: was getting ready to talk about right before the break.
30:18
Speaker 4: So what happens is as we are releasing so much,
30:21
Speaker 4: whether it's grief, rage, fear, otherwise conditioning, you know, expectations
30:25
Speaker 4: of ourselves, as we release those things and they somatically
30:29
Speaker 4: and energetically leave the body, we open up space within
30:32
Speaker 4: ourselves for something new. And so that wisdom that comes
30:36
Speaker 4: from our soul self, that confidence and desire to be
30:41
Speaker 4: present and live that we feel as we're connected to earth,
30:44
Speaker 4: you know, that starts to fill in and backfill those spaces.
30:48
Speaker 4: And so our wildness is something that we're born with.
30:52
Speaker 4: It is this, it's not about being wild. Does it
30:54
Speaker 4: mean like, you know, drive through someone's front yard and
30:59
Speaker 4: be like, you know, I'll do what I want. Right.
31:02
Speaker 4: That was a terrible example, but nonetheless, it's not what
31:05
Speaker 4: wildness is. Wildness isn't about necessarily breaking convention, but it's
31:09
Speaker 4: about realizing convention is adopted. It's about living and navigating
31:15
Speaker 4: life with intuition at the forefront, with connection, divine connection,
31:20
Speaker 4: soul connection to soul family and people, as well as
31:24
Speaker 4: to the divine and the earth and the living nature.
31:27
Speaker 4: That's connection. So wildness is being the most you, authentic soul,
31:33
Speaker 4: physical combination you. And that becomes more possible as we
31:38
Speaker 4: make space for it to sit inside of us. I'll
31:41
Speaker 4: just say briefly as an example, I went through a
31:44
Speaker 4: massive cognitive behavioral shift where I was doing all this
31:50
Speaker 4: healing and over years it finally got to this point
31:53
Speaker 4: where In my heart space, my heart throne was my
31:56
Speaker 4: 12 year old self, the first age where I experienced
31:59
Speaker 4: a trauma that made me afraid of the world. And
32:02
Speaker 4: she was wearing a pantsuit and had a briefcase and
32:04
Speaker 4: she's like, I'm going to be an adult now. And
32:06
Speaker 4: I looked at her, I was like, oh my gosh.
32:08
Speaker 4: And she's like, it's okay. We've done the work. I'm
32:10
Speaker 4: not sad. She was, but I'm ready to leave my job.
32:13
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, no, of course. And so in
32:15
Speaker 4: that moment, she left and I had my somatic release.
32:18
Speaker 4: It was beautiful. And then I said, but what fills
32:21
Speaker 4: it now? And my inner elder came in and was like,
32:24
Speaker 4: move aside. I've got this. And so that's essentially this
32:28
Speaker 4: visual concept of what we're doing. We're taking the traumatized
32:32
Speaker 4: or the pained, the burdened self and making space for
32:36
Speaker 4: them to step away from that burdensome job or role
32:39
Speaker 4: that they've been doing and making space for an inner
32:42
Speaker 4: wiser elder version of ourselves to take space and say,
32:46
Speaker 4: we're going to do this together and you're held and
32:49
Speaker 4: loved and we can be wise together.
32:51
Speaker 2: That's really beautiful.
32:54
Speaker 3: I imagine this work would be very, very powerful for
32:57
Speaker 3: people who have deep traumas, especially from childhood, that they just,
33:04
Speaker 3: they've done the counseling, they've seen the doctors, they've taken
33:08
Speaker 3: the medications, they've done the talk therapy and all of that,
33:12
Speaker 3: but it's still there. It's still deep inside. I imagine
33:16
Speaker 3: that this work would be extremely healing to get that
33:21
Speaker 3: trauma up and released from the body.
33:24
Speaker 4: Absolutely. And I think there are some times where, you know,
33:27
Speaker 4: people come to me when, when they've tried other things
33:30
Speaker 4: and it doesn't always work. It doesn't mean they have
33:32
Speaker 4: to do that first.
33:33
Speaker 2: Right.
33:34
Speaker 4: But and so there may be times where we're just
33:36
Speaker 4: doing a standard energy session. Of course, I know I
33:39
Speaker 4: don't control what happens. But, um, within reason that, let
33:43
Speaker 4: me explain that differently. I don't get to decide what
33:45
Speaker 4: the person experiences, right? It's their body that's open. It's
33:48
Speaker 4: their soul and spirit's working through me. Um, but there
33:51
Speaker 4: will be times where people, you know, I'll be just,
33:54
Speaker 4: just so tenderly. So with, with permission, um, and consent,
33:59
Speaker 4: just gender, tender touch to the body and just channeling.
34:02
Speaker 4: And then I might start humming cause I'll feel the
34:04
Speaker 4: keen comes through me and I'll channel the keen. And
34:08
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden they just start weeping. And it's,
34:10
Speaker 4: you know, for some people, it's things they know. And
34:13
Speaker 4: they're like, I know exactly what this relates to. And
34:15
Speaker 4: other people, it's so repressed or it happened when they
34:19
Speaker 4: were drugged and they don't know. But yeah, this is
34:21
Speaker 4: a tremendous way to, it's like therapy on steroids. You know,
34:29
Speaker 4: you don't have to talk about it or know what's
34:30
Speaker 4: going to happen. You just have to be open. And
34:33
Speaker 4: it's quite a lot like a psychedelic healing experience, but
34:36
Speaker 4: without plant medicine.
34:38
Speaker 2: Without plant medicine. Now, do you see people one-on-one?
34:41
Speaker 3: How do you like to, I know you lead people
34:44
Speaker 3: through these journeys and you do talks and everything, but
34:48
Speaker 3: do you see a client on a one-on-one basis and
34:50
Speaker 3: work with them?
34:51
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
34:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely. So I can, I prefer to work with
34:55
Speaker 4: people for a period of time, whether it's three sessions
34:58
Speaker 4: or a year long, you know, depending on the person's
35:01
Speaker 4: lived experience and what they're trying to work through, it
35:04
Speaker 4: will dictate kind of the pattern that we meet. But
35:07
Speaker 4: I've met with people and had, amazing experiences virtually across
35:12
Speaker 4: the world, as well as in person. And some people
35:14
Speaker 4: who've done both in person and virtual, and they can
35:17
Speaker 4: attest to the fact that, yeah, the energy still works.
35:20
Speaker 4: Healing still works. I just miss that. I don't get
35:21
Speaker 4: my Martha hug at the end.
35:23
Speaker 2: Yeah.
35:24
Speaker 3: No, as somebody who has had sessions with other healers remotely,
35:28
Speaker 3: it definitely does still work. The energy travels. You don't
35:32
Speaker 3: have to be in the physical space. I was going
35:34
Speaker 3: to ask you if you saw people remotely because this
35:37
Speaker 3: is the world that we live in now, right? So
35:39
Speaker 3: there's people that can connect with you, who resonate with you,
35:43
Speaker 3: that can be living in another country and can work
35:48
Speaker 3: with you, which is really, really, I think that's the
35:51
Speaker 3: good thing. That's the great.
35:52
Speaker 2: Thing about the internet. It has some beautiful things.
35:55
Speaker 3: It has some not beautiful things, but it has some
35:57
Speaker 3: beautiful things. It reminds me of the rewilding reminds me
36:03
Speaker 3: of the woman who run with wolves book. The, that book,
36:08
Speaker 3: I read that book when I was at the lowest
36:11
Speaker 3: point in my life and it did, it shifted something
36:14
Speaker 3: inside of me, the stories, the connection about women and
36:19
Speaker 3: what we're supposed to quote unquote be and who we
36:23
Speaker 3: really are. And, you know, I mean, we call, we
36:26
Speaker 3: call earth mother nature. It has this feminine divine. We
36:32
Speaker 3: are wild and we, they have been trying to tame
36:36
Speaker 3: us forever. And I think people like you and People
36:42
Speaker 3: like me who have these conversations and just bring this together,
36:46
Speaker 3: there is a reason this is happening because.
36:48
Speaker 2: It is waking up. Don't you see that?
36:51
Speaker 4: I do. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And not to make it,
36:56
Speaker 4: you know, that book is seminal. And I recommend it
36:59
Speaker 4: to everyone.
37:00
Speaker 1: Me too.
37:00
Speaker 2: And I think you're right.
37:01
Speaker 4: There's something in the stories and her unpacking the stories
37:05
Speaker 4: that is medicine.
37:06
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
37:07
Speaker 1: Yeah.
37:08
Speaker 4: Um, and I love it. So yes. And, and I
37:11
Speaker 4: think what's beautiful is that we're seeing this, not just
37:13
Speaker 4: in women, of course, it's a large majority, but we're
37:16
Speaker 4: also still seeing it in men. You know, I know
37:18
Speaker 4: the manosphere is taking over the internet, but there's also
37:21
Speaker 4: a whole opposition to that in the sense that there
37:24
Speaker 4: are a lot of men out there who are really
37:25
Speaker 4: tapping into their feminine energy. And it's not about gender, right?
37:29
Speaker 4: Because we have women who have, we were both and
37:32
Speaker 4: non-binary people still have these energies in them, call them
37:35
Speaker 4: yin and yang, moon and sun, whatever you want. But
37:38
Speaker 4: We all have it. But ultimately what we're saying here
37:41
Speaker 4: is that we are tapping into the reality that this
37:46
Speaker 4: whole time, no matter what blinders or perceptions, spirit has
37:51
Speaker 4: been around us, has been through us, and has been
37:54
Speaker 4: living with us. And so when we start to open
37:58
Speaker 4: up to that yin, that moon, that feminine, we start
38:01
Speaker 4: to feel that connection. And that's what I mean when
38:04
Speaker 4: we're talking about about feeling connected with nature.
38:06
Speaker 1: Yes.
38:07
Speaker 4: Go on a hike. Absolutely. Sit by the river and
38:09
Speaker 4: pray if you want, but also let the tree speak
38:12
Speaker 4: to you, ask the Hawk what it sees, you know, and,
38:15
Speaker 4: and listen, it's, it's amazing. And so I'm absolutely seeing
38:20
Speaker 4: this and I'm seeing a lot of people waking up
38:23
Speaker 4: And the Internet is kind of a kind of a
38:25
Speaker 4: wild crap shoot. You don't know who or what you're
38:28
Speaker 4: going to get.
38:28
Speaker 2: It's the wild, wild west right now. It hasn't figured
38:31
Speaker 2: itself out yet.
38:34
Speaker 4: But for those who are newly awakening or, you know,
38:37
Speaker 4: I don't know if I love that term, but are
38:39
Speaker 4: newly intrigued by something that their soul has been calling for. Right.
38:44
Speaker 4: I ask them to practice discernment to the best of
38:47
Speaker 4: their ability to find out what's best for them. And
38:50
Speaker 4: it may not be what's right in the big picture world.
38:52
Speaker 4: You may work with a teacher who has 10 social
38:54
Speaker 4: media followers, but they're exactly who you're supposed to work with.
38:58
Speaker 2: Exactly.
38:59
Speaker 4: Yeah. Because there's soul resonance, you know, and there's something
39:02
Speaker 4: in them that's going to wake you up. And there's
39:04
Speaker 4: something in you that's going to wake them up in
39:06
Speaker 4: a new way. You know, I learned from my clients
39:09
Speaker 4: just as much as they learned from me.
39:11
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
39:11
Speaker 4: It's reciprocity.
39:13
Speaker 3: Well, we're all connected, right? We're all connected on some level.
39:17
Speaker 3: So we need each other as much as we don't
39:20
Speaker 3: like to admit. We do need each other for the
39:23
Speaker 3: progress and the strength of humanity in the world, right?
39:26
Speaker 3: So we have to collectively work together. And I think
39:29
Speaker 3: we need to what I love about what the keening
39:33
Speaker 3: does is the holding of the space for somebody else.
39:39
Speaker 3: And I am a symbolism person, right? So like the
39:44
Speaker 3: Talking to you and reading about you, that was the
39:46
Speaker 3: book I thought of, right?
39:48
Speaker 2: Just the women who run with wolves.
39:49
Speaker 3: And I happen to be re-watching Call the Midwives right
39:53
Speaker 3: now on Netflix. And about the work that they did
39:57
Speaker 3: at the time. And watching, it's so beautifully done. Because
40:03
Speaker 3: they are holding the space for those women. And when
40:06
Speaker 3: you were doing the somatic, the moving, and the moving
40:09
Speaker 3: and the energy.
40:10
Speaker 2: I was imagining.
40:12
Speaker 3: the birthing scenes that I've been watching happen as I'm watching,
40:15
Speaker 3: rewatching this show and them holding the space.
40:19
Speaker 2: And some of these women literally.
40:21
Speaker 3: Keening as they're birthing, or if they're losing their babies
40:25
Speaker 3: and these women and these sisters who are holding the
40:29
Speaker 3: space for them, I'm like, yeah, that we need to
40:33
Speaker 3: bring that back. We need to bring that needs to
40:36
Speaker 3: come back because it's, It is so powerful for anybody.
40:40
Speaker 2: Just, I highly recommend watching it. Yeah. So just, so
40:43
Speaker 2: I look at the symbolism.
40:44
Speaker 4: Okay.
40:45
Speaker 2: I just so.
40:45
Speaker 3: Happen that I'm watching that and then she's on my
40:48
Speaker 3: show and you know, and you're talking about talking to
40:52
Speaker 3: the trees and, and I have animal Oracle decks and
40:55
Speaker 3: I always pull a card. Cause I'm always like, what
40:57
Speaker 3: is that animal here to teach me? What is this message?
41:00
Speaker 3: So I love that.
41:02
Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh, well, thank you. Yeah, I agree. There's something
41:04
Speaker 4: very powerful in being willing to become vulnerable to be
41:09
Speaker 4: seen and also to be seen. You know, I think
41:13
Speaker 4: a lot in our modern world, we are more than
41:15
Speaker 4: capable of putting on a bit of a mask and
41:17
Speaker 4: being vulnerable on a screen, but we're not seeing people
41:21
Speaker 4: receive us. And so being, being open to seeing someone
41:26
Speaker 4: just sit there with you and saying, I see you
41:28
Speaker 4: and I accept you as it's, it's profound. It's really beautiful. Yeah.
41:33
Speaker 3: Now, when you work with people, do you ever work
41:35
Speaker 3: in small, intimate groups in person? And people will be
41:39
Speaker 3: having experiences and other people in the group kind of
41:42
Speaker 3: help hold them up and hold the space for them?
41:46
Speaker 4: Yes. So when I do in-person retreats, especially with the women,
41:52
Speaker 4: groups of women I've worked with, a lot of the
41:55
Speaker 4: times they don't know each other. There may be someone
41:57
Speaker 4: who knows each other. But here's the thing. This was
41:58
Speaker 4: something that's really magical about the Keen group. Is that
42:02
Speaker 4: when we begin, I give this whole explanation of like,
42:05
Speaker 4: what is this? What are we doing? Why is this revolutionary?
42:09
Speaker 4: How is this going to work? And then here is
42:12
Speaker 4: your veil. And our black veil that I give to
42:15
Speaker 4: every individual person is to say, when we put this on,
42:21
Speaker 4: we go from being an individual with an individual life
42:24
Speaker 4: and individual problems to being a collective individual. That yes,
42:28
Speaker 4: we still have the stuff in our body and that's
42:30
Speaker 4: what we're focusing on. Absolutely. And also as we work
42:34
Speaker 4: on our stuff energetically through our sacred sisterhood that exists
42:38
Speaker 4: all around this world or our sacred brotherhood or personhood,
42:41
Speaker 4: depending on the group, right? But as we put this on,
42:45
Speaker 4: we feel our stuff and someone energetically around the world
42:49
Speaker 4: is receiving a healing because they are connected to that
42:53
Speaker 4: form of grief, that frequency of pain or rage. And
42:58
Speaker 4: not only that, but it's really the women in the room.
43:02
Speaker 4: And so as we put the veil on, we go
43:04
Speaker 4: from being individuals to being sisters. And so as the
43:07
Speaker 4: keen works through me, five is who channels through me.
43:11
Speaker 4: And so as I'm drumming and I'm singing and I mean,
43:14
Speaker 4: my eyes are closed a lot because I'm trying to
43:16
Speaker 4: stay focused, but, you know, letting her through and she'll
43:19
Speaker 4: be like, move that one and bring her here. And
43:23
Speaker 4: so I will pick someone up and I let them
43:25
Speaker 4: know in advance, like, I'm going to be moving you.
43:27
Speaker 4: It's not me and I apologize in advance if I
43:28
Speaker 4: drive you nuts, but it's five and she's doing it
43:31
Speaker 4: to push you forward in the discomfort to let it out.
43:35
Speaker 4: So I will move. And so a lot of times
43:36
Speaker 4: we'll have two, maybe even three women and they're holding
43:39
Speaker 4: each other's hands. They're rocking together. One time, oh, I
43:44
Speaker 4: had this beautiful woman who was so strong. I mean, 60s.
43:49
Speaker 4: decades of tending, had multiple siblings, took care of them,
43:52
Speaker 4: had multiple children, took care of them, takes care of
43:55
Speaker 4: her husband, takes care of everyone, never complains. And finally,
43:58
Speaker 4: towards the end of the Keene Bible, it was like
44:00
Speaker 4: her turn. And I was like, whoa. And she was like, everybody.
44:04
Speaker 4: And she took seven or eight other women holding her,
44:07
Speaker 4: whether it was holding her or a hand on her ankle.
44:10
Speaker 4: And we were all swaying and I was chanting and
44:13
Speaker 4: I was encouraging her like, breathe, make a sound, make
44:16
Speaker 4: a sound. And So she was like, I am making
44:18
Speaker 4: a sound. I said, no, make a sound. And she,
44:21
Speaker 4: this is five, right? Five doesn't take any prisoners. She
44:24
Speaker 4: didn't give a shit. Right.
44:25
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. No, that's okay. You're allowed. I curse a lot.
44:28
Speaker 2: So don't worry about it.
44:30
Speaker 4: She was like, I am making a sound. I said,
44:33
Speaker 4: make a sound. And everyone was like, why? And I
44:36
Speaker 4: started crying.
44:39
Speaker 2: She just started.
44:42
Speaker 4: And the coolest thing happened, Melissa, right after she let
44:45
Speaker 4: it all out. boom, boom, boom, boom, thunder. There was
44:49
Speaker 4: no storm, no storm.
44:51
Speaker 2: I just got goosebumps. It was nuts. It was nuts.
44:57
Speaker 4: And I'm completely addicted to this now.
45:01
Speaker 2: No, it's beautiful.
45:03
Speaker 3: And I think on some level it's easier to do
45:05
Speaker 3: with strangers than people, you know, because people, you know,
45:09
Speaker 3: you feel like will judge you. You'll have to have
45:12
Speaker 3: conversations later. Like I didn't know that, you know what
45:15
Speaker 3: I mean? And, but with people you, you don't know,
45:18
Speaker 3: you sort of, there's almost like you allow them more
45:19
Speaker 3: grace to just be who they are without putting any
45:22
Speaker 3: judgment on it. So I would prefer to be in
45:25
Speaker 3: a group without people that I know very well.
45:28
Speaker 4: And you know, and what's so fun is like afterwards.
45:31
Speaker 4: So there's some quiet time after and we eat and
45:33
Speaker 4: I say, look, you don't have to talk. You can
45:34
Speaker 4: just be here. But after, you know, as we're eating
45:37
Speaker 4: because food is necessary afterwards. People at some point, this
45:41
Speaker 4: happens every retreat. At one point, someone says, that was nuts.
45:46
Speaker 4: That was bonkers.
45:48
Speaker 2: And everyone is laughing.
45:49
Speaker 4: And then what were you? I think I was holding
45:52
Speaker 4: one of you at some point. And then they all
45:53
Speaker 4: start piecing together their experience. And it's really cute. And
45:56
Speaker 4: then so it's like the opposite happens. They come in strangers.
45:59
Speaker 4: And at the end of the night, they're already so
46:01
Speaker 4: close because they've shared something deeply intimate.
46:05
Speaker 3: And it sounds like collectively they're clearing things. heavy energy
46:10
Speaker 3: from the planet, right? Like if we're all connected, then
46:14
Speaker 3: all energy, we're tapped into the energy of everything, right?
46:17
Speaker 3: So when you're having these events and you're doing this
46:20
Speaker 3: kind of work, they're collectively clearing that energy off of
46:25
Speaker 3: the earth plane.
46:26
Speaker 2: And that's very powerful.
46:27
Speaker 3: Like if you think about it from that perspective, which
46:30
Speaker 3: is beautiful. So what I wanted to ask, because I
46:34
Speaker 3: can't even believe I could talk to you for like
46:35
Speaker 3: two hours. If you're holding ancestral patterns, like let's say
46:41
Speaker 3: you've had a pretty good life and you're like, I
46:44
Speaker 3: don't have traumas. I was raised, I was fed well,
46:46
Speaker 3: I was loved well, I never lost anybody, but I
46:51
Speaker 3: have this pain or this sadness or something. And I,
46:56
Speaker 3: it could be an ancestral pattern that I'm holding. How
46:58
Speaker 3: do we, how could that be? This ritual help us
47:01
Speaker 3: with that.
47:03
Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely. So what's beautiful about this is because the
47:06
Speaker 4: energetics of the keen, it is an ancestral tradition. And
47:10
Speaker 4: so just inherently, you know, it depends on the individual,
47:14
Speaker 4: but inherently there's going to be some aspect of spiritual support.
47:19
Speaker 4: So whether it's an angel or a soul contract of an,
47:23
Speaker 4: you know, that relationship, like a guide. your well and
47:27
Speaker 4: spirit ancestors absolutely there. You just have to ask right
47:30
Speaker 4: for them to be there. Like, Hey, if you want
47:32
Speaker 4: to show up, that'd be cool. But what's nice about
47:34
Speaker 4: it is that, you know, the, the intention is to
47:38
Speaker 4: heal the body and the energetics. And so as we
47:41
Speaker 4: move into that intention, the very thing that we may
47:45
Speaker 4: be wanting to work on that is ancestral will naturally
47:49
Speaker 4: come up and we may witness a story that's not
47:51
Speaker 4: ours because I remember many times, many keen I did
47:55
Speaker 4: in my first year in my apprenticeship. She, I was
47:59
Speaker 4: tasked with the challenge of keen for the men in
48:01
Speaker 4: your life. And I was like, but what do you mean?
48:03
Speaker 4: And she was like, just take it for what it is.
48:05
Speaker 4: Like whatever it means to you is what it means
48:07
Speaker 4: to you. And I was like, okay. And so I
48:09
Speaker 4: got into, you know, I was moving, I was journeying.
48:11
Speaker 4: I was, you know, starting to kind of get in
48:13
Speaker 4: the right vibe of it. And the men of my
48:17
Speaker 4: life who showed up were generations, 15, 20, 50 generations ago. Wow.
48:21
Speaker 4: And it was the men who were forced to leave
48:24
Speaker 4: their family to fight a war that they didn't want
48:27
Speaker 4: to fight. They just wanted to live. They wanted to
48:29
Speaker 4: till the land. They wanted to tend to their family
48:32
Speaker 4: and they wanted to love and be loved.
48:34
Speaker 5: Yeah.
48:34
Speaker 4: But then they were forced to fight by on pain
48:37
Speaker 4: of death. Right. So either they die at war or
48:39
Speaker 4: they die in front of their family because they won't fight.
48:42
Speaker 4: And they were like, I don't I'm not this person.
48:44
Speaker 4: And so that that was heavy. That was heavy. And
48:48
Speaker 4: it felt so related to. to my people pleasing that
48:53
Speaker 4: I had as a wounded healer. This idea that like, well,
48:56
Speaker 4: I just want to make sure people like me. So
48:59
Speaker 4: that was a huge part of that. And it made sense.
49:02
Speaker 4: Of course, you have to make people happy. Otherwise, pain
49:06
Speaker 4: of death, right? And so I think it can totally work.
49:11
Speaker 4: And the nice thing about my shamanic practice is that
49:13
Speaker 4: I can be in the right vibe. And so as
49:15
Speaker 4: the intention is made, if the individual feels like they're
49:18
Speaker 4: kind of not... you know, ready for this kind of work,
49:21
Speaker 4: I don't know how to do it. I don't ever
49:23
Speaker 4: feel anything when I'm doing meditation work or journey work.
49:26
Speaker 4: That's why I'm here because I can see and hear
49:28
Speaker 4: and feel the things that spirit and your ancestors are sharing,
49:31
Speaker 4: sharing with me and, and your guides. And I can
49:33
Speaker 4: help guide you to those things, which is really quite lovely.
49:36
Speaker 1: Yeah.
49:37
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. I would say like for those who
49:40
Speaker 4: maybe don't know what they would need to keen, we
49:43
Speaker 4: can always keen for the land exactly like you said earlier,
49:45
Speaker 4: because there's so much in the land that needs to
49:48
Speaker 4: be released. So we can keen for the land too.
49:51
Speaker 2: Yeah.
49:52
Speaker 3: And I'm glad that you said that more men are
49:54
Speaker 3: coming to you too. That makes me happy that men
49:56
Speaker 3: are wanting to tap into their own traumas about around
50:02
Speaker 3: what masculinity is supposed to look like and dominance for
50:06
Speaker 3: them and you know, and how they've cut the feminine
50:09
Speaker 3: sides of themselves off because society, you know, calls you
50:12
Speaker 3: names and, you know, men don't cry, you know, boys
50:17
Speaker 3: don't cry. And that's a terrible thing that we've done
50:20
Speaker 3: to young men who grow up to.
50:22
Speaker 2: Be grown men, right?
50:24
Speaker 3: Because it manifests as rage and it manifests as pain
50:29
Speaker 3: and then.
50:30
Speaker 2: Hurt people hurt people. So that's- That's right. Mm-hmm.
50:33
Speaker 5: Yeah.
50:34
Speaker 3: So I love that men are actually doing that because yeah,
50:37
Speaker 3: you watch certain things that you watch, you don't even
50:39
Speaker 3: have to watch anything on the internet.
50:41
Speaker 2: You just got to hover for a half of a
50:42
Speaker 2: second and the algorithm catches you. And then that's all
50:45
Speaker 2: you see. And you're like, no, no, no. And then
50:47
Speaker 2: I'll put in funny animal videos, funny animal videos. And
50:51
Speaker 2: I get that all going.
50:54
Speaker 4: Yeah. You know, I think my number one challenge for
50:57
Speaker 4: men when they first start working for me, for me,
50:59
Speaker 4: with me, Is I say, you know.
51:01
Speaker 2: It's easy.
51:02
Speaker 4: It's easy and almost borderline lazy to rely on rage.
51:06
Speaker 4: Rage is so socially acceptable. It is social clout and
51:11
Speaker 4: it is what gets people to respect me and listen
51:14
Speaker 4: to me. What's underneath that rage? Because very likely is
51:18
Speaker 4: a little boy who's being yelled at by his dad
51:20
Speaker 4: because he didn't play baseball, because he didn't get an
51:23
Speaker 4: A on his test, because he cried when something broke.
51:26
Speaker 4: Because he wanted a puppy, but his dad said he
51:28
Speaker 4: doesn't deserve it. Or you know what I mean? Yeah.
51:30
Speaker 4: It's these little boys that just didn't cry. It's epic.
51:34
Speaker 4: It's epic. As soon as you let them, give them
51:37
Speaker 4: that permission and hold space for them. It's pretty beautiful
51:41
Speaker 4: to see that unfolding. Sometimes it takes multiple sessions.
51:45
Speaker 2: Of course.
51:46
Speaker 4: Of course. It's possible.
51:47
Speaker 3: There's, you know, we are complex, you know, and then
51:51
Speaker 3: if we're connected to the ancestors, you know, there's a
51:54
Speaker 3: lot of complexity there. It's not, it's not a one,
51:57
Speaker 3: you know, take a pill and I'm all of a
51:59
Speaker 3: sudden a different person. We don't, that's not the way
52:01
Speaker 3: it works.
52:03
Speaker 4: Right. Right.
52:04
Speaker 2: You got to be willing to do the deep work.
52:06
Speaker 4: Yeah.
52:06
Speaker 2: You got to be willing to do the work.
52:08
Speaker 3: Yeah. And usually what happens is, is the pain becomes
52:12
Speaker 3: so great that that spirit, pushing it. You don't have
52:17
Speaker 3: to wait for you to be in that much pain
52:19
Speaker 3: to do the work. You can do it while you're
52:22
Speaker 3: in a really happy, good place. So you don't have
52:24
Speaker 3: to be in that much pain, but usually we don't,
52:27
Speaker 3: we wait until we're in so much pain. We're on
52:30
Speaker 3: our knees going, God help me. And then God helps you.
52:34
Speaker 3: Something shows up and you go, let me look at this.
52:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
52:40
Speaker 4: The phone will keep ringing. You just, and the thing
52:43
Speaker 4: is the message just gets louder. So it'll start with
52:45
Speaker 4: an intuition and then it starts with an intuitive nudge
52:47
Speaker 4: and someone yelling at you. And then there's someone yelling
52:50
Speaker 4: at you in a car crashes, you know what I mean?
52:51
Speaker 4: And then it's like, now then you're in the car
52:53
Speaker 4: and I don't mean to be making a joke, but
52:55
Speaker 4: quite often spirit will, like you said, they'll shut you
52:58
Speaker 4: down and put you in a bed if you won't listen.
53:00
Speaker 4: And they'll be like, you're going to listen.
53:02
Speaker 2: You're going to listen.
53:03
Speaker 5: Yeah.
53:03
Speaker 1: Yeah.
53:04
Speaker 4: Right.
53:04
Speaker 2: I'm here to help you, but you're so stubborn. You
53:07
Speaker 2: won't listen. Totally.
53:12
Speaker 3: So for anybody who is just listening right now, what
53:17
Speaker 3: can they gently do to help them with their grief?
53:22
Speaker 3: And like, what's a gentle step somebody could take if
53:25
Speaker 3: they're going through deep grief at the moment?
53:26
Speaker 4: That's a great question.
53:29
Speaker 5: Um, Hmm.
53:34
Speaker 4: Remember that grief and grieving is a process because it
53:39
Speaker 4: is not, like you said, it's not a one-time thing
53:41
Speaker 4: and then we move on. It's a process. And as
53:43
Speaker 4: you feel it, you will discover more about yourself. And
53:48
Speaker 4: that is also part of the process. And that it's
53:52
Speaker 4: okay at a time of grief to not actually feel sad.
53:55
Speaker 4: It's okay at a time when you're grieving to have
53:57
Speaker 4: days where you feel joy or just feel stable. That's also...
54:02
Speaker 4: totally normal. And that grief is going to look very
54:06
Speaker 4: different for some people than it will for you. And
54:08
Speaker 4: so to remember not to try and meet other people's
54:11
Speaker 4: expectations for your grief process, because that is just going
54:15
Speaker 4: to confuse yourself. And this is about really listening and
54:18
Speaker 4: making space for what you need. That's really beautiful.
54:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you are allowed to see, even if you're grieving,
54:27
Speaker 3: you're allowed to have moments of joy and express that.
54:30
Speaker 3: Because the person that you lost, say, in death, wouldn't
54:34
Speaker 3: want you to stop experiencing joy, right?
54:38
Speaker 2: We have to remember that, you know?
54:40
Speaker 3: Like, I know there's a guilt, especially, you know, with
54:45
Speaker 3: parents who lose their children. I'm speaking, you know, my mom,
54:48
Speaker 3: because I lost my sister. four years ago. And I
54:52
Speaker 3: remember at first, like she didn't want to laugh again
54:55
Speaker 3: because she felt guilty. And I'm like, Tony, my sister
54:58
Speaker 3: with special needs, was the happiest, most loving person you
55:01
Speaker 3: would ever met. If anybody wants you to be happy
55:04
Speaker 3: and loving and being in joy, it's my sister.
55:07
Speaker 2: And she knows that, right? I'm like, so mom. it's okay.
55:10
Speaker 2: She would want you to, that doesn't mean you love
55:13
Speaker 2: her any less or you don't miss her. Right.
55:16
Speaker 3: So I think people forget that.
55:18
Speaker 5: Yeah.
55:19
Speaker 4: Yeah.
55:20
Speaker 2: So it's been so wonderful talking with you today. Oh
55:23
Speaker 2: my God. I just, we could talk forever.
55:25
Speaker 3: So Martha can tell people how to find you, how
55:28
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55:30
Speaker 2: Yeah.
55:31
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55:37
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55:39
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55:44
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55:46
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55:53
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56:03
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56:03
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56:04
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Thank you, Martha. What a great conversation.
56:08
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. All right, everybody.
56:10
Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to Postcards to the Universe with Melissa,
56:13
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56:16
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56:19
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56:20
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