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Where are the Trap Games on Ohio State's 2025 Schedule? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome to Buckeyes tomorrow morning. I am Mark Givler,
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  Speaker 1: not Tom Moore is on vacation. We're filling in for
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  Speaker 1: him here for the next week or so. Got Kevin
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  Speaker 1: noon here with me as well. It is Wednesday, June fourth,
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  Speaker 1: eighty seven days until the Texas game. One hundred and
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  Speaker 1: seventy eight days until Michigan. Guys, we're almost there. We're
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  Speaker 1: getting there, like June is gonna fly. We got camps,
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  Speaker 1: we got official visit weekends. The next few weekends, we're
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  Speaker 1: getting closed. I can feel it. Kevin, how are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: Doing well? Just looking outside and starting to get warm again,
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  Speaker 2: so we know camp season is almost here. I think
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  Speaker 2: it was eighty today out at my house. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if that was the high or whatever. And you're right,
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  Speaker 2: before we know it, we're gonna be in Vegas for
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  Speaker 2: Big ten media days and then we'll be out at
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  Speaker 2: the fields over at the Woody And as you said,
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  Speaker 2: we're inside of ninety days I guess to the Texas
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  Speaker 2: game and another college football magazines are out, which is certainly,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the beginning of the season. Call it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the precursor to the holidays and lots of things to
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  Speaker 2: be excited about.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, sir, So we are getting there, folks. Today we're
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  Speaker 1: going to kind of get into the schedule that Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State plays in twenty twenty five. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about some of maybe the off the radar games a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. We're not Look, everyone knows the Texas games
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  Speaker 1: leading off, everyone knows the Michigan games at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the season, and then everyone knows the Jym Knowles
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  Speaker 1: rematch against Penn State is coming up November first. But
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  Speaker 1: what we want to talk about today are the trap
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  Speaker 1: games on Ohio State schedule. I think there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of potential trap games on this particular schedule. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's a sneaky, tough schedule there in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: the schedule between those bookend big games against Texas and Michigan,
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  Speaker 1: and so Kevin and I are going to kind of
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  Speaker 1: talk about our biggest trap games that ohis the landmine games.
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State needs to be careful about, Kevin, anything to
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  Speaker 1: jump out to you on the schedule when you took
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  Speaker 1: a first look at it this year when it came out,
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  Speaker 1: anything that kind of jumps out to you right away,
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  Speaker 1: So they better be you know, better be ready for
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  Speaker 1: that one.
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  Speaker 2: Win and doubt look for games at Purdue, and yes,
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  Speaker 2: Purdue is terrible. And there it is on Saturday, November eighth,
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  Speaker 2: coming on the heels of a big game against Penn State.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to take the graphic off here in a second,
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  Speaker 2: since we're there. Everybody sees it. We're talking about it
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  Speaker 2: right there, Saturday November eighth at Purdue. Now, Purdue is terrible.
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  Speaker 2: They are terrible, like Charles Barkley terrible. It's not a
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  Speaker 2: trap game in terms of the Jimmy's and Joe's. Purdue
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  Speaker 2: lost all of its good players via the portal Max
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  Speaker 2: Claire's in Columbus. Their best defensive back is at Oregon.
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  Speaker 2: You know it is. You know, it is a difficult
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  Speaker 2: path for Purdue. Strange things happen at ross A Stadium,
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  Speaker 2: and we don't know if it's going to be a
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  Speaker 2: night game. I doubt it's going to be a night
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  Speaker 2: game where in November, the whole fallacy of Big ten
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  Speaker 2: night games in November, I think we've kind of broken
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  Speaker 2: through that. There's money to be had and there's inventory
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  Speaker 2: to fill, and damn it, NBC needs to get it's
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  Speaker 2: money's worth out of the check that it's cutting and
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  Speaker 2: everything else. But this is a trap game based on
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  Speaker 2: history and based on location in the schedule. The history
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  Speaker 2: being Ohio State doinks off games it shouldn't to Purdue.
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  Speaker 2: Now that has not been a Ryan Day issue. That
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  Speaker 2: was an Urban Meyer issue, has not been a Ryan
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  Speaker 2: Day issue. Ryan Day donks off games to Michigan, not
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  Speaker 2: to Purdue, not to Iowa, none of those types of games.
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  Speaker 2: But I think coming off of what will probably be
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  Speaker 2: a pretty emotional game against Pennas State very likely could
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  Speaker 2: be a one versus two, two versus three, one versus
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  Speaker 2: three type of game. Ohio State's next, you know, second,
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  Speaker 2: at least second top five game. You know, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: sure where the hell Illinois is going to stand in
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  Speaker 2: the grand scheme of things. I'm not sure I'm ready
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  Speaker 2: to say I live in a world where Illinois is
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  Speaker 2: a top five team in anything. But this game has
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the earmarks of it. And I think
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  Speaker 2: fans are snake bit too. They're they're just so gun
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  Speaker 2: shy about it because they do remember this stupid thing's happening.
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  Speaker 2: Make it a noon game, make it a three thirty game.
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  Speaker 2: Take some of the ghosts of that stadium and take
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  Speaker 2: them out of play, and you know, the Ohio State
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  Speaker 2: fifty two Perdue seven with four minutes left in the
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  Speaker 2: game is what it should be. But that is that
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  Speaker 2: is my definition of a trap game.
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  Speaker 1: I think Ohio State's second team would win in West
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  Speaker 1: Lafayette by three touchdowns. I think Purdue is next level
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  Speaker 1: bad this year and they are just decimated. It's a
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  Speaker 1: decimated roster and it's the biggest rebuild job in power
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  Speaker 1: for football right now. So I'm taking that one off
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  Speaker 1: the table. They're not going to lose at home to UCLA.
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  Speaker 1: That's gonna be a cross country flight for UCLA. That's
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  Speaker 1: going to be an atmosphere, even you can play it
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  Speaker 1: at noon three third, I don't care when they play
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  Speaker 1: that game. That's not gonna be an atmosphere. Ucla has
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  Speaker 1: seen a whole lot or been successful in much over
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  Speaker 1: the years. I'm looking like there's two games that kind
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  Speaker 1: of jump out to me. There's really three that I
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  Speaker 1: could talk about, but there's two that jump out to me.
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  Speaker 1: The first one is at Washington at the end of September.
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  Speaker 1: Now you're coming off by I think that's important. I
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  Speaker 1: think that helps Ohio State refocus, You're you're gonna get
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  Speaker 1: you know, you're too kind of I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: call them layups. You know, ramblings definitely a layup. Ohio
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  Speaker 1: is a layup for for all intensive purposes too. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, Ohio could, at least, I guess, maybe make
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  Speaker 1: things a little weirder than they should be. But I
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  Speaker 1: think Washington has kind of an under the radar, elite
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  Speaker 1: game day atmosphere. I don't think people fully understand how
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  Speaker 1: loud that stadium gets. I think it'll be a new
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  Speaker 1: experience for a lot of these guys at Ohio State.
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  Speaker 1: I think Washington comes into the season with not a
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  Speaker 1: lot of hype around it after a rebuild year last year,
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  Speaker 1: coming off the National Championship Game appearance, and I think
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  Speaker 1: they're actually gonna be pretty good. I think they're I
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  Speaker 1: think they're gonna be improved at quarterback. I think they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be improved at a at a lot of key areas. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: I think this is I think last year was their rebuild,
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  Speaker 1: retool year, and I think they're gonna be a team
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  Speaker 1: that again will not be so far into the season
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  Speaker 1: that people realize, hey, this team's actually pretty good this year.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's early enough in the year they're going
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  Speaker 1: to sneak up on some people. So I think that
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  Speaker 1: one's probably my big one in terms of fitting the
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  Speaker 1: true definition of a trap game. But look, that Illinois
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  Speaker 1: game is really up there now. Illinois may enter that
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  Speaker 1: game in the top ten. It's possible. You know who knows?
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  Speaker 1: So is that can that be called a trap game?
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  Speaker 1: You know that. I'll let you let us know in
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  Speaker 1: the comments there. Comment is Illinois. Does Illinois qualify as
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  Speaker 1: a trap game? Let us know what you think, because
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  Speaker 1: if it does, that's a big one for me because
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  Speaker 1: you go on the road to Washington, you face Minnesota
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  Speaker 1: at home, and that's another sneaky game with PJ. Fleck
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  Speaker 1: coming home, and there's a lot of things in that
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  Speaker 1: game that I think could go wrong too, coming out
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  Speaker 1: of the West coast trip to Washington, and then you
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  Speaker 1: come back home. So you're kind of going through it
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  Speaker 1: there those two weeks, and then you have to go
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  Speaker 1: to Illinois, me the biggest game that football program's played
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  Speaker 1: in in forever, and you still have the Wisconsin game.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of looking at the next week where you're going
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  Speaker 1: out Wisconsin. I don't think they'll lose it Wisconsin. They
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  Speaker 1: kind of kind of crossed that one off. I think
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  Speaker 1: Wisconsin's completely outmanned. But that Illinois game, to me, is
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  Speaker 1: again another one I think they need to be careful of.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin. Is there a.
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  Speaker 1: Second one that you kind of see in there? If
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  Speaker 1: it's one of the ones I talked about, that's fine,
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  Speaker 1: But is there a second one in there that you're like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: that that needs to be you know, extra extra careful
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  Speaker 1: on that one.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to say Minnesota, and I'm going to bring
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  Speaker 2: up the schedule in a minute. I want to address
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  Speaker 2: the two games you brought up. I agree with you
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  Speaker 2: largely about Washington. I've seen a game at Washington. I
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  Speaker 2: was there in Jake Locker oh seven, Yeah, it was
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and seven. Brandon Saying scores a late touchdown.
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  Speaker 2: Jim Trust looks like somebody kicked him in the stomach
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  Speaker 2: because he was just trying to be all sportsmanlike and
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  Speaker 2: everything else. And Brandon Sane was just a young pupp
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  Speaker 2: and excited to be out there, and you know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna go out there and leg out a seeing eye single,
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  Speaker 2: and he legged out a seeing eye touchdown because Washington
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  Speaker 2: wasn't really all that good. Washington is a really neat
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  Speaker 2: venue to watch game at. I've not been there in
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  Speaker 2: almost twenty years, so I'm I'm hesitant to say I
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  Speaker 2: know what this building is all about. And you know, yes,
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  Speaker 2: there's their little their version of the volunteer Navy. You can't.
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  Speaker 2: You got your boats that you can bring up and everything.
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  Speaker 2: These boats aren't making it louder or whatever. Honestly, it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of a you know, wine and cheese and Starbucks
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  Speaker 2: and grunge type of crowd or whatever. It's it's loud.
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  Speaker 2: Is it gonna be any loud? Is it gonna be
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  Speaker 2: as loud as organ last year?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 2: Is it gonna be as loud as Oregon last year? No?
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  Speaker 2: It was an open air press box last time I
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  Speaker 2: was there, and there were these air horns. I pointed
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  Speaker 2: right in and I wanted like the first time one
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  Speaker 2: went off, and it wasn't often. Because Ohio State really
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  Speaker 2: just dominated the game. I nearly jumped out of my skin.
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  Speaker 2: I was not prepared for that, among other things, including
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  Speaker 2: a really slow elevator up there and everything else. But
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  Speaker 2: I think that you know, with that game being Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State's first road game of the season, and okay, we're
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  Speaker 2: in week four or week five. You know, we're in
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  Speaker 2: week five of the season. You've played a top five matchup.
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  Speaker 2: More than likely you've played a couple of Tomato cans.
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  Speaker 2: In terms of football pedigree versus football pedigree, You've had
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  Speaker 2: an open week, and I think that you can't just say, well,
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  Speaker 2: we're just going to show up to Washington and that's
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  Speaker 2: going to be that. Now. As for the second one
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  Speaker 2: you mentioned at Illinois, can is preseason ranked eleven according
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  Speaker 2: to some of the metric whatever the hell's out there ESPN,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the USA Today coaches, pul Amway, whoever's in
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  Speaker 2: charge of that one. That's not out. The preseason AP
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  Speaker 2: is not out. So the rankings that are in the
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  Speaker 2: schedule are all, excuse me, very subjective. I have a
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  Speaker 2: hard time saying that you're gonna have a trap game
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  Speaker 2: against the top ten team, top fifteen team, oh, top
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  Speaker 2: twenty team, and we know that they're not twenty teams
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  Speaker 2: out there year in and year out that are going
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  Speaker 2: to be competing for the Natty. Now, obviously they're twelve
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  Speaker 2: because we got a twelve team playoff. So just by
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  Speaker 2: the nature of the beast, you're gonna have twelve, and
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  Speaker 2: I guess in theory you're gonna probably have four or
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  Speaker 2: five teams that are gonna be right there kind of
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  Speaker 2: at the cut. So if Illinois is kind of getting
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  Speaker 2: mentioned in there even in the preseason, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if I call it a trap game. It is a
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  Speaker 2: trap game though, in terms of having Wisconsin on the
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  Speaker 2: back end of it. And let's be honest, Wisconsin is
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  Speaker 2: still going to carry a lot more cachet amongst Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State fans and players and everything than Illinois is. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Wisconsin has certainly been a problematic team for Ohio State
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  Speaker 2: once in a blue moon in the past, but then again,
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  Speaker 2: was so was Illinois. So was Illinois the year that
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State dropped the game in Columbus and then needed
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  Speaker 2: seven things to happen to get to the BCS, and
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  Speaker 2: nine of them happened, and it kind of created not
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  Speaker 2: a great draw of playing LSU in New Orleans. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, that's a you know, we're going back into
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  Speaker 2: the history books at that point. But I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: I think that if if it would be kind of
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  Speaker 2: an upset if Illinois hung around, I'm not gonna walk
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  Speaker 2: around and say, Luke Altmeyer led team at quarterback should
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  Speaker 2: be within four touchdowns of Ohio State, but stupid stuff happens,
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  Speaker 2: and that stadium is always a wind tunnel. I'm convinced
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  Speaker 2: it's built east west, not north to south, so the
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  Speaker 2: wind just whips right through it. And there's never been
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  Speaker 2: a game that I've been there that it has not
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  Speaker 2: been extremely windy. But I'll throw my other trap game
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  Speaker 2: in there, and that's Minnesota, which is the week before.
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  Speaker 2: Here's why it's kind of a trap game. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: a big PJ. Fleck fan in terms of thinking that
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  Speaker 2: he is on a short list for Ohio State if
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  Speaker 2: the position ever came open. He's exhausting. I want to
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  Speaker 2: throw a bunch of grenades in that boat and sink
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  Speaker 2: that mfor right in the middle of the lake because
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  Speaker 2: I hate all that stuff. I can't stand it. It
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  Speaker 2: is just forced garbage enthusiasm. It just drives me nuts.
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  Speaker 2: Have an opinion, Kevin Well, I do, But you have
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  Speaker 2: it between two road games, going all the way out
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  Speaker 2: cross country to go play at Wisconsin or wide Washington,
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  Speaker 2: and then you have Illinois on the back end of it.
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  Speaker 2: So this is the game where you go out to
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  Speaker 2: Washington and you handle business in a pretty decent you know,
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  Speaker 2: thirty five thirteen type of win you got to win
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  Speaker 2: against the top five Texas. You got a huge road
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  Speaker 2: win out there on the West coast? Are you fat
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  Speaker 2: and happy? I mean, you've got back to back Roadie's
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  Speaker 2: coming up? Really, you know, you got Roady Roady off
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  Speaker 2: huge game with Penn State, so you know your next
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  Speaker 2: your your dance card is full, You've got everything spoken for.
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  Speaker 2: It would be really easy to let up for that
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  Speaker 2: Minnesota game. And Coy Perris, I think that's the only
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  Speaker 2: player I can name from Minnesota.
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  Speaker 1: And oh come on, I think that's the only player
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  Speaker 1: Wheeler is going to be an NFL running back. They
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  Speaker 1: got only.
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  Speaker 2: Player I could name, and that's because he's Pye. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, all all joking aside or or more seriousness,
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I need to do a little more reading. That's
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  Speaker 2: a game that I would probably make sure that, no,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not playing its time for War in the Woody
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  Speaker 2: for you know, twenty four twenty four hours a day,
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  Speaker 2: seven days a week to lead up to it. But
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  Speaker 2: I think I'm making sure that everybody is quite aware
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  Speaker 2: that that is that is a highly droppable game, and
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  Speaker 2: it has nothing to do with with what's on the
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  Speaker 2: Minnesota side. It has to do everything with what's between
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  Speaker 2: the ears on the Ohio State side.
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  Speaker 1: Well, first of all, where do I get Washington plus
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  Speaker 1: twenty two against Ohio State?
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  Speaker 2: There?
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  Speaker 1: Because you said you said thirty five thirteen, I want
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  Speaker 1: Washington plus twenty two for a mortgage payment. So there's
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  Speaker 1: there's that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just polite. I'm just being polite. Other than wanting
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  Speaker 2: to sink Pj's boat, I'm trying to be polite. If
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  Speaker 2: you want to hear unfiltered Kevin want, you know, listen.
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  Speaker 1: To the big no I w I want, I want,
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  Speaker 1: I want my Washington plus twenty two. If you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: give me twenty two for Washington in that game, I
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  Speaker 1: want to take that. But I think it's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: closer than that. But yeah, Minnesota is definitely a trap game,
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  Speaker 1: like it is. Like I said, I think this schedule
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  Speaker 1: has like four trap games on it, So I think
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  Speaker 1: it's a sneaky, tough schedule. I think when we look
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  Speaker 1: back on it at the end of the year, they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be like, man, that was a really good schedule,
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  Speaker 1: you know, not just because of the big games the
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  Speaker 1: big name schools on their schedule. But again I look back.
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  Speaker 1: I think we're gonna look back and say, Washington, Minnesota, Illinois,
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  Speaker 1: we're all pretty good this year. I really really think that.
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  Speaker 1: And then we'll see kind of what Rutgers has just
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  Speaker 1: being the game before, you know, the Michigan game, and
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  Speaker 1: how focused to High State is gonna be on on,
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  Speaker 1: you know, desperately trying to break that streak this year.
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  Speaker 2: But PJ.
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  Speaker 1: Fleck lives for these games. They you know, they gave
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  Speaker 1: Penn State a hell of a scare last year. He
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  Speaker 1: has his teams ready for these games. They play a
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  Speaker 1: physical brand of football. Despite Kevin just completely disparaging their talent,
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  Speaker 1: they do have some dudes there. We see and look,
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  Speaker 1: we've seen these guys every year we go to the
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  Speaker 1: Combine and there's like four Minnesota guys there. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they've they've done a sneaky good job of developing there.
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  Speaker 1: So I think I do agree that that's a potential
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  Speaker 1: trap game. And again amwiching them between road games at
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  Speaker 1: Washington and Illinois also I think does enhance that as well.
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  Speaker 1: I know they're getting around and they're having kind of stops.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I think they have a schedule every every month, and
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: so check that out. You can kind of see where
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: they're going to be and we are going to be
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: doing a Hungry Hungry huddle there at some point in
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: the near future, so stay t that.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: I've had the opportunity to go to the food truck
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: during kind of their soft launch. They were up at
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: a brewery somewhere on the north side of town, which
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: I live away out far east, so I mean I
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: had to leave a trail of breadcrumbs. Smash Burger's were fantastic,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: highly recommend it, but served out of a food truck.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: I'm generally going to like it more or less. But
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: you know, they're not just a sponsor. I mean they
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: would they are at they if they if they did
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: more stops out east, they would be part of my rotation.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: They would absolutely be part of my rotation. Not being
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: paid to say that. I'm just speaking the truth, just
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: like I'm speaking I own, and I'm speaking the truth
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: and saying Minnesota has beaten Ohio State twice since what
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: eighty one? They beat him in I've got my winds
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: of ped up here, beat him in two thousand and
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: then they beat him in eighty one or whatever. So
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: I know you can't put all of those on PJ.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Fleck and his his his fake enthusiasm. But you know,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: let others, let others worry about that. He's just he's super.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: I got news for you, Kevin. It's not fake. It
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: may be annoying, I'm not gonna tell you. I'm not
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: gonna tell you you can't be annoyed by it. It's
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: not fake.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: PJ.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Fleck certified lunatic. I'm just telling you, well, I could drink.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I could drink I could drink C four, who is
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: not a sponsor of the show yet, and have fake
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: enthusiasm too, and probably feel like I've been run over
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: by a truck.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: But yeah, just you know, final thoughts. I mean, we
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: kind of played the hypothetical on a chip Minick and
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I did on our Around the Big Ten podcast. I mean,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: what's like a best case worst case scenario for you
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: here with Ohio State schedule?
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's this Ohio State best case is
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: always going to be undefeated. I don't think there's ever
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: going to be a year of where I'm gonna say
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: the ceiling for this team is eleven and one. The
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: ceiling for this team is ten to two. So best
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: case scenario is undefeated, win every every game by at
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: least two touchdowns or whatever. But you know, I've got
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: to see it. I just really don't think that we're
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: going to be in a we're in a world anymore
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: where we're going to see somebody come out the other
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: end of the meat grinder at sixteen to zero as
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: a national champion. I think that games are going to
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: get dropped. There are a bunch of old football players
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: that were part of the Dolphins around the time I
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: was born. Who who sit there and drink champagne and
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: meta musil whenever the last NFL team drops a game
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: to keep that unblemished record streak going for the Dolphins. Now,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: I guess on the on the short end, I don't know.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's it's really hard to predict, like catastrophe,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: like you know, and I don't, and I'm very superstitious,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: so I don't speak out, Oh, this could happen, and
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: that could happen, and that could happen, and then when
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: it happens, it's like remember that time you mentioned that
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: USOB But you know, I think that you know, we
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: could sit there and say that worst case scenario is
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: maybe the pieces that come back are not as good
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: as we thought. They dropped the they dropped the season
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: opener Detect, and they never really truly recover, and they
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: doink off a couple of games in in in conference play.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: They go out to Washington, get out classed in that game,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe trip up against Illinois, trip up against
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Penn State, and then there's always the finale. So I mean,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: his worst case scenario eight and four. I mean, could
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: could that? Or hate or seven and five? I don't,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't subscribe to that type of theory
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: based on just the talent and where everything is. I
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: think worst case scenario for this team is like nine
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: and three, and you know, before somebody cuts it up
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: and it's like help Kevin Noon doesn't believe in this team.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: We're speaking. If you know, everything goes wrong, the wheels
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: fall off the car, the floorboards fall off the car,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: a meteor crushes the car, if all of that happens
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: at once, I mean, I guess anything could happen.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think nine to three is the floor. I
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: think that's kind of a worst case. You know, lose
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: to time Exis, drop one of those late September October games,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: and then lose either Penn State or Michigan in November,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: and quite frankly, that may it probably doesn't get you
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: in the playoff, but you're probably still on the bubble
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: at that point if that's the case. But the best
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: case for me, I see, I go. I never do
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: the undefeated thing because I've picked Ohio State to lose
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: at least one game every year since I've been doing
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: this and every year since I've been doing this, I've
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: been right, and they've They've won two national titles, you know,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: in spite of that. So they're gonna lose a game somewhere.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: It's just a matter of when, when that game is,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: which game it is. I tend to think they're going
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: to beat Michigan this year. I think, as I said
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: on another show, I think last year was National Championship
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: or bust, where it was like, Okay, we have to
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: win the National championship. Whatever happens before that is whatever,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: but we have to win the National championship with this roster.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I think the mindset this year is more repeating would
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: be great, but whatever happens, we have to beat Michigan,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: and everything else is kind of icing on the cake.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: So I think they're going to beat Michigan, but they're
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: gonna drop one somewhere. Between the fact that they always
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: every team does pretty much, there's very very few undefeated
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: teams for the whole Gauntlet, and they do have a
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: challenging schedule, and they've got a first year starting quarterback
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: who's almost always going to lose a game because he's
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: almost always going to have two or three games where
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: it just doesn't work, and you hope you can survive those,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: you know. CJ. Stroud had a tough one his first
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: year against Oregon, Like, you're just generally gonna lose a game,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: so they're gonna drop one somewhere bright. Yeah, best case
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: scenarios is a one loss repeat for me, and worst
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: case scenario is nine to three. So I think that'll
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: do it. This will This is you know, gone over
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: twenty minutes here. I think Tom usually goes about.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Fifteen, so.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: We are better. So hopefully, you know, Tom better hurry back.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: He's about to get wally pipped here. I think I
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: just have this feeling that we've caught lightning in a
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: bottle here on the show, and you know Tom could
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: be in trouble, so hopefully he's back soon. But in
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: the meantime, you're stuck with a rotation of myself, Kevin,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: and Tony Gerdaman. So apologies, but we will catch you
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: tomorrow morning. We'll get you on the next one and
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: we'll see you. Guys have to tune in to see
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: who's gonna be on it. I don't know if I'm
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: gonna be on it, and Kevin's gonna be on I
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: don't know who's gonna be on it. It's gonna be
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: a mystery host again tomorrow. But thanks everyone for watching
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: and listening, and we'll catch you against so