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Jimmy Carr on the Crisis With Men | Maintaining Frame 91 · Honey Badger Radio

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maintaining frame. We're gonna be looking at Jimmy Carr. But I wanted,
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yes, doculinity. Yeah, of course there always is. There's always something
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wrong with men. We got to point it all out. Yeah. Yeah,
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Yeah, this is like, oh my goodness, Hi everyone, Hello,
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everybody, Welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian. I'm here
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with Alison. This is maintaining frame number ninety one. I think we're going
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to be looking at a video from a YouTube channel call The Diary of a
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CEO, where the host speaks with comedian Jimmy Carr, who's actually really really
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funny and really well, at least from what I've seen, a pretty polit
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incorrect, and I think that he's discovered with his politically incorrect comedy that masculinity
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is in crisis. And you're probably wondering how those things are connected, but
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I could explain it if you wanted to. Yeah, I'm sure, Yeah,
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the month. All right back to her, Do you want to just get
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started? Yeah, let's get started. But I again, yeah, let's
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get stuck right into it. But I did get a super chat right at
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the top of the show from Iggy Thunders, who says, Jimmy Carr.
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Great, some boomer is going to belch cowboy speeches at me like he's ever
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seen a horse. For five dots, thank you, Iggy Thunders. I
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don't think he's a boomer. I mean he's probably at least a millennial.
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I think I think he's probably a millennial. Okay, so did somebody send
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this to you, Allison? We're gonna start playing the clips. So apparently
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Jimmy Carr, you guys probably know him. I've seen a couple of his,
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like clips of his stand up online, very funny stuff. It's it's
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intended to upset you, but I'm I'm all about that. I'm you know,
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like the more offensive, the better. I've been seeing more of this
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lately too, and in stand up comedy, which is great because I think
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stantom comedy was one of the first uh let's say cultural uh you know pillars.
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Yeah, yeah, you could say. I was gonna say, like
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the pillars of culture. There's comedy, there's tragedy, there's drama, there's
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music. I think comedy was one of the first ones under attack, and
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and I think it has been for a while. And you can see this
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because a lot of comedians, especially the male comedians especially, and especially male
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comedians that sort of specialize in like you know, like walking that line,
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you know, like because that's what comedy you have to do. You have
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to be you're like operating in the fringes, and you're seeing the things that
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no one wants to say, and if you're really good at it, you're
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saying something that they think about and that they all have in common, and
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it's something human and it makes us laugh because there is a bit of discomfort,
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but also you know, relief because you're like, yes, everybody does
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think this. And I've been seeing more of this lately. I like,
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I'm personally a big fan of Shane Gillis who have been seeing around he he
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was a he got I mean I fired from SNL or or he like lost
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a job there and then they brought him on as a guest like recently.
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So it shows that like the comedy space is kind of coming around, you
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know. I mean, you're still gonna have like your Hannah Gaspi's but but
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I think that the real and Jimmy Carr is one of these guys you know
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very well. For me, he was pretty funny. So uh okay,
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So anyway, let's play the clip. This is twenty one where he talks
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a little bit about doctor Warren Ferrell, which is kind of a neat name
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drop from such a you know, pretty famous guy. So I'm gonna play
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it now. Let me know if you can hear this, Okay, Allison,
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because we're in Riverside, Okay, it's tough to lunch with your parents
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as opposed to the job and the thing and the work and that I'm busy
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and busy. I'm busy and you only notice it when it goes to zero.
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So mom dies and you go, well, I'll never see her again.
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What wouldn't you give now for another meal, another time and other thing.
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So you go trying to find that balance in life. And I think
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parenting and being a father is about that, isn't it. It's about that.
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It's about trading the measurable for the immeasurable. All Right, I'm just
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pausing there for the banana, just to play it safe. I don't know
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how that CEO is going to re act, Yeah to us. So,
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Jimmy Carr has been I think he was on He's either on Chris Williamson or
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trigger nometry or both, but he's been kind of like, you know,
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he's like I've been watching his circle as he moves, you know, closer
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to like this this side of closer to the Yeah, this this like especially
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dense part of the of the minefield to the you know, whirlpool and between
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the rocks and they the dragon. He slowly circles the black hole of the
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men's issues. Yeah. Yeah. Apparently people were saying Carr is gen X,
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so that's cool that you know that. That's about right. I'm gen
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X, but I'm not a boomer. I'm saying that's different. Okay,
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Anyway, we'll play some more here's where he talks about Warren Farrell. I
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believe Warren Farrell tells great stories. You know, Warren Farrell, he's like
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the myth of male power. I think a lot of his writings being used
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by nefariously by people sort of that were a bit. Anyway, he's a
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very interesting guy and he's he's very all sent. Yeah, he's probably trying
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see this is what I'm talking about. It's okay, it's okay, Jimmy,
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it's okay. I get it. There is talking about us where the
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uh yeah, or like just a general like men's rights activist. I get
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it. But it's fine. Like if you're gonna say that eventually, if
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you're all I will say is this. I'm trying to be chill here,
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so I know that I can blow my top sometimes and I'm sure i'm working
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on that. Just keep seeking the truth and we'll see you there. We'll
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meet you at the station when you're ready. That's all I'm saying. Okay,
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keep seeking the truth. If you don't see the truth, and I
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won't see you, and that's too bad. But if I do, I'll
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you know, I'll consider you forgiven. And he told his story. I
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had him tell the story. He said, he said, this guy came
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to me and very successful man, you know, a head of a business
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that makes millions, really doing very well. And he said he was unhappy
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because he had worked all the way through his son's childhood and he didn't he
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hadn't bonded with his son because he'd just been away at work. And he
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went to see Warren Farrell and he's a you know, psychiatrist or whatever,
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and he says, what are you gonna do? He said, well,
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I'm gonna I'm gonna give up my job for five years and I'm gonna be
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at home with my kid. I'm fuck it, I'm not doing any of
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that. I'm gonna be with my kid. I think we've got a banana
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here. Yeah, I'm just banana there. Well, he didn't make an
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astounding amount of money, so there he goes John Lennon or Warren Ferrell.
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Well oh wait, wait, well, Lauren, Warren Ferrell is this is
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Warren Ferrell's anecdotic. He's telling us no, no, no, he's telling
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a story of Warren Ferrell meeting John Lennon. He just hasn't given away the
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John Lennon part of that because Warren Ferrell always says, I was at I
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was at a thing and this guy came up to me and he had and
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he says this whole spiel, and for whatever reason, Warren Ferrell had no
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idea that that was John Lennon. And it's revealed at the end of his
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story that that was John Lennon. You know, so okay, because like,
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if you really want to convince people that you're like talking what you're talking
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about means something, you throw somebody like John Lennon in there. You know.
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It'd be like saying, well, you know, I was making sandwiches
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and I was like, man, you know, I think it'd be really
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great to put peanut butter and banana together. And then this guy came and
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he was like, hey, man, what are you doing there with some
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sandwiches? You know, and and we and I decided I shared it with
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him, and he's like, oh, is the best named sandwich I ever
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heard. And that was the story of how Elvis Presley learned to like peanut
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butter and banana sandwiches. I don't even know if that's what he likes,
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but I'm just saying it's like that, you know, it's how you sell
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something. Okay, yeah, yeah, it is. It is. I
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apologize for the spoilers spokes man. That's all right. I think we've heard
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this story a lot of times, but let's let's go for five years.
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Just be in that moment. And he did it, and he was very
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happy that he did it. It's John Lennon. Oh and no matter how
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important you think you would job based you know, Joe Lennon, you know,
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I'm afraid. Okay, So Warren Ferrell is saying you're not John Lennon.
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No, this is Jimmy Carr's like he's just a he's essentially Warren Ferrell
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is as simply essentially saying that he's h Warren Ferrell's act. Why don't they
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bring Warren Ferrell onto this channel? Oh? I bet this guy doesn't know
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who Warren Ferrell is. I wouldn't be surprised because or you know, they're
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channel. Yeah, the guy who hosts the channel. I'm sure Jimmy Carr
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knows. He's probably seen that video because Warren Ferrell has made the rounds like
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he's been on you know, he he was on Larry Elder. I think
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I think or they spoke to each other. And Larry Elder was kind of
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a big, you know, am radio guy, but he always tells that
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story. I think, I don't know. I think Jimmy Carr is trying
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to like say that, you know, I don't know for whatever reason.
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Like John Lennon is an example of a man who still wanted to make time
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for his children despite being John Lennon, I guess. But I mean the
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reality is that most men that have kids want to be involved with their kids,
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and being really famous doesn't really doesn't really change that, you know,
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oh it does, but what it changes is his ability to do it.
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Like he's like, your job isn't as important as John Lennon's job, right,
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But John Lennon has the ability because he has a lot of money to
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take five years off, yes, and don't have that ability. And the
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other thing is that this the presumption at the core that I'm starting to feel
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is that oh, you're telling men, oh, you need to value your
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relationship with your children more. I think what really needs to happen is women
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need to value their children's relationships with their fathers more than the additional money that
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men can make by sacrificing that relationship, and I don't see that happening.
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Like I can tell you an anecdote. I was reading an article from a
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newspaper in my town, like or in my hometown Calgary, So it was
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just like a local paper talking about father's on Father's Day. And there was
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one father in that paper who was a essentially an equal parent, so he
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had equal amount of parenting time. And he said it took him till he
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was in his late thirties to find a woman to agree to that, because
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it was an absolute non negotiable for him. He was not going to sacrifice
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his parenting time to make more money, so he had to find a woman
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who would agree to that, who would agree that his parenting time with his
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child was equally important to hers, And it took him probably an extra decade
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to find a woman like that because they were rare, and they are rare.
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It is rare to find a woman who will prioritize her husband's time with
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his children over the money he makes. So don't give me this crap like,
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oh, men need to value their relationship with their children, women need
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to value the father of their child's relationship with that child, and the government
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needs to value that as well and not make it something that can be removed
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on the behest of the woman. It's like, I think men value their
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time with their children. Fine, it's everybody else who doesn't. Anyway.
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That's that's what I have to say to that, because it feels like I
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get the feeling like this is this is another condomy. They're doing the easy
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thing, which is just blame men again. Right, that's the easy Yeah,
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it is easy. It's very easy. It's the trivially easy thing is
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just to say, well, men are to blame because, as we all
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know, the ones who control society are the ones who are always blamed for
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it. That's actually not true. Often the people who are on top never
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get blamed. Well yeah, but no, wait wait they do too.
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Okay, I'm in the weeds, so I'm going to just cut this off.
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Let's keep going. All right, all right, this is this sex
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session. This next section is on men's mental health. I don't know,
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I'm struggling to talk. It does feel like there's a bit of a crisis
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going on within young men at the moment, and I think your new show
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on Netflix shines a light on many of the difficulties that young men are facing.
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I was really excited to talk to you about this particular topic because I've
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been trying to arrive at a position myself on why so many young men appear
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to be lost and suicidality has increased, and there's you know, these new
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masculine influence is or masculine influencers that are really rounding up this cohort of young
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men who I'm just pausing for the banana. I will say that, you
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know, it's interesting, Okay, So I do think that it's there's nothing
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unfair about calling young men today like stating that young men today are are in
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a bad way and that there are problems. But what I do think is
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interesting about this is that there's no reaction for decades and even generations until we
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get these masculine influencers and all of a sudden, now we really have to
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act because these young men might actually listen to that, and they're still not
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addressing of why, like where this comes from, instead of like saying,
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oh, oh, you know, hold on the alarm, here come,
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here come the male influencers gonna they're gonna turn these young, impressionable men into
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dangerous individuals that are essentially dangerous to women, because that's really what we're reacting
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to instead of saying, well, why are these guys in this state?
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Why are things so bad for them? What could have caused this? I
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mean like you literally brought up doctor Warren Ferrell, who wrote a book called
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The Boy Crisis about all of the problems that fatherlessness causes and why that is.
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Go ahead, Alison, Well, he brought up how we you know
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people are using those what Warren Ferrell talks about for nefarious ends? What are
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those nefarious ends? We should deal with this? Like we should yeah,
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help boys and men with these problems that they have. Are those of the
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nefarious ense? Because it's starting to feel like it. It feels like if
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you actually say, hey, here are problems we should address, those are
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the nefarious ends. Whereas what yet, like Zach, exactly what you're saying,
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it doesn't matter. We'll just ignore it. It's the other it's not
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our problem, field like, and we just ignore it until suddenly all of
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these influencers start to rise up and have significant influence on these these young men
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who have been literally discarded by this society. The society, the future is
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female. They don't care They don't care about these young men. They don't
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care about their struggles in school, they don't care about their struggles and mental
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health, not until somebody comes around and says, hey, you got some
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kind of worth as a man. And then they start to gravitate to that
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because they've never heard that message in their life. They've only ever been blamed.
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And now you got these people or these men who have a huge following
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because of that, and then suddenly, like you said, it becomes a
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problem. But it's not a problem when boys are facing it. It only
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becomes a problem when somebody who you don't control, or you think you don't
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control, because I actually think that it's probably still is an element of controlled
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opposition. But you know, somebody else is now having an influence on these
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boys, and you don't like that fact. And it doesn't like, literally,
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you don't care about the boys. You only care about Andrew Tate,
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yeah, or whoever the male influencer is. Whatever. I mean, that'son
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will be once Andrew Tate gets thrown. Yeah. I mean this is the
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thing that we've been seeing over and over and over, which is that you
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know, we've been talking about these things for ten years Warren Ferrell's been talking
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about these things for what maybe thirty years, thirty forty years. Yeah,
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and yet, yeah, and yet no one has a sent not not no
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one's really listened or taken to what he has been saying for all of these
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decades to heart until some guys like the Andrew Tates and the fresh and Fits
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of the world start saying or even Pearl, I wouldn't be surprised to they
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throw her in with the same you know, the same lot, and they
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would say, oh, well, these people are clearly bad. So you
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know, we personally don't want to discuss these issues because we haven't platformed anyone,
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we haven't taken this seriously at all, but we certainly don't want them
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talking about this either. So instead we're going to shame the people who do
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talk about it that we've chosen to notice, and we're going to ignore continue
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to ignore the people who are talking about it that might be productive and might
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have something good to say, while also pretending like, you know, like
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pretending like we care by discussing it in this kind of like you know,
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I don't know, like fretting way, like, oh man, what's wrong
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with the boys? I just want to talk about what's wrong with them.
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I don't want to address it because addressing it means looking at the whole picture
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and potentially criticizing a group of people that we're not allowed to. Yeah,
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if we talk about we want to talk about the boys as a problem,
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not as having a problem. We want to continue to talk about the boys
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as a problem than than having a problem. And we're going to be so
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baffled why boys get drawn to people who actually talk about them having problems rather
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than being a problem. Oh my gosh, why are they doing that?
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You know? And yeah, you're right. They choose these people to throw
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into the limelight because they can discredit them, you know, like it's easier
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to discredit I think, or not discredit them, but just prove like the
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more negative aspects of what they're doing, Like how much time And as much
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as I appreciate Pearl for giving a platform actual men's issues advocates, you know,
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like Paul and Karen, how much time is she going to spend on
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just insulting women? And yeah, I get it. Like the thing is
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that women really need to they need to have somebody who's willing to call them
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to task. But at the same time as that's a lot of what she
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does and a lot less of, you know, addressing the issues of you
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know, what men face. And of course it's a drama thing too write
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because I remember when this would just be like, I don't know, a
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Hollywood wag would do the things that per Pearl does, insulting women, you
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know what I mean. Paris Hilton, you know, no, is not
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Paris Hill, like the uh you know, I don't even know the name.
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I'm not even gonna attempt it. But he used to be like this
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gay guy who would just be just so you know, weaned on a lemon
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bitchy about women. And you know, it was just like this was just
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this was it was just drama. It was just entertainment. And now it's
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so marginalized. You know, you can't do that because it's all misogyny in
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the mainstream. Pearl's taking up the slack. But how how actually productive is
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that? Yes, women get old, Yes there are ugly women, you
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know, like, yes, yes, women are are are are trying to
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go above their their actual league. But can we actually talk about ethics and
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morality and holding women to those kinds of standards, you know, holding the
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standard of caring about men, caring about half the human race, that's that
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even in its self interest, caring about the half that's actually producing the society
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that's creating their comforts and liberties, Like can we not talk about those things?
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Those are the things we need to talk about, because the thing is
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that, you know, there are going to be ugly women, and there
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will always be ugly women, there will always be old women, there will
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always be you know, entitled women. But what needs to happen is that
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women need to take responsibility for society. And I know people are like,
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take a shot, Allison said, responsibility. Okay, but anyway, let's
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uh so, I mean, yea, even though people they choose to present
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are unhelpful, well yeah, but that's why they that's why they choose them,
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partly because I think it's easy to just miss them. Like that's what
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I'm saying, Like I think I think that people like I don't want to
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I don't want to cast this version on Jimmy Carr. I think he's like
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coming, he's on his way, he's on a journey, he's figuring this
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stuff out. He just you know, before this, he was just a
24:15
comedian. He just wanted to tell jokes and then like he got into all
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this hot water and he was like, what the hell's going on? You
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know, And and I think like many people that are in that space why
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I mentioned in the beginning, like people in stand up comedy, you know,
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they're all being bombarded by all this stuff, and what they don't realize
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it is is it is essentially a kind of like a feminine assault on them
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based on you know, empathy supposedly, and sensibilities and these kinds of things.
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And they don't get it because some of the people are coming after him
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are men, so it doesn't really like they don't compute that. I think
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Jimmy Carr is figuring this out, but he is talking about boys, and
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I think that and I'm seeing this more and more, right so, I
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I just hope that, you know, like I said before, if he
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stays on the path, it's fine. Now when it comes to people like
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Pearl, I think that, you know, I don't think that Pearl is
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disingenuous. I think that if she was only out there, no no,
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I know, I know, but people in the chat will say that.
25:17
I think that if you wanted to make money and that was all you wanted
25:21
to do, then you would just do feminism because that's like a multi billion
25:23
dollar enterprise. Let's be real. But I do think this. I think
25:27
that Pearl got most of she got her start based on watching Kevin Samuels,
25:33
who passed away a couple of years back. And Kevin Samuels was never a
25:37
men's rights activist. This is very important, Okay, he was. He
25:41
was more of a pa type guy. He would talk about female nature and
25:47
a lot of what put him like got him attention was the fact that he
25:52
would I wouldn't say criticize, but he would essentially like meet women when they
25:59
were aggressive and like entitled and narcissistic, like he would call them out on
26:03
it because he felt, like you know, he was a black man.
26:07
He was looking out for essentially like black people getting together and foreign families,
26:11
and he felt that women needed. Black women need to be taken down a
26:15
peg, black men needed to like come up in their own way. So
26:18
he was just like, you know, essentially talking to them. Now,
26:22
I didn't watch a lot of his stuff, so don't quote me on this.
26:25
I'm just going off of what I know. But Pearl is just carrying
26:27
that forward. That doesn't make her an MRA. That doesn't mean she knows
26:32
like all about She's been learning this stuff because she's had you on her show,
26:36
and she's had Karen on, and she's talked to Paul but not directly,
26:40
but she's talked to Paul and Janie and that's good. That means that
26:45
she's working towards that. But she's that doesn't I guess what I'm saying is
26:49
I'm grateful that Pearl is doing what she's doing, despite the fact that I
26:52
know that she's not like as deep into it as we are. But I
26:57
think a lot of it has to the fact that we've been doing it a
26:59
lot longer. Plus again, Pearl might be at least business savvy enough to
27:06
know that if she's like really like, if she's really uh, let's say,
27:11
how do I say it? Like abrasive and especially combative with people online,
27:15
and she pisses off feminists and conservatives, which she tends to do,
27:19
it's good for her platform, So that could there could just be a business
27:23
thing there too. That's why she wived, you know, do this this
27:26
the kind of stuff that she does. I don't think it's necessarily like on
27:30
its own good for boys. I don't think that's the priority, though,
27:33
I think that it's I don't know what her priorities are, but I think
27:37
that I still think that she's getting talking points out there that people are responding
27:41
to, and I think that's good for if it comes from somebody, I
27:45
guess that's better than nothing. But you're gonna get people like you know,
27:48
that are outside of that enough, like Jimmy Carr. They're gonna be like,
27:51
yeah, there's kind of a like, you know, yucky part of
27:52
the Internet that talks about this stuff. But that's probably because more to do
27:57
with the noise around it, where people are just saying like these people are
28:00
bad people, you know, then what's actually being said? Because I think
28:04
if you look closely and you're and you're able to like set your emotions aside
28:08
for a moment and not like go in there ready to be offended and listen,
28:14
I think that there is some some value in there, you know.
28:18
Okay, can I just I've been waiting to say this. I'm sorry,
28:22
just just no, no, it's okay. I want you to be able
28:25
to talk and I want to I want to shut my app but we can
28:30
thank these influencers for one huge thing. They are forcing the conversation. That's
28:37
right, that's what I'm At some point, at some point the mainstream they're
28:41
they're forcing them, They're pushing this conversation into the mainstream. They're making it
28:47
happen in a way that we never could. And the thing is that at
28:52
some point people are going to have to realize that there has to be some
28:55
compromise in the favor of men and boys. They just can't keep doing what
28:59
they're doing, seeing and boys as the problem instead of having problems. Right,
29:06
So that's the thing that we seem to have a real issue with.
29:08
When a man has a problem, we think he is a problem. Yeah,
29:15
exactly as having problems. We see them as being problems. And it's
29:18
a huge blind spot we have. But these influencers are pushing it. They're
29:22
pushing this discussion, and maybe at some point the mainstream will realize that,
29:30
you know, they can talk to people like us, people who understanding underlying
29:37
elements of this, and maybe we can create something that is beneficial for the
29:45
continuance of our society. This is like the white pill, like or the
29:48
hopium. You know, that we can create something that makes things work,
29:52
but you can't like to individuals like, uh, I guess the car is
29:57
not really the necess but the ones who want to continue to do what they're
30:02
doing with no compromise, well, there's no future in that, you know,
30:07
if you want to continue to do what you're doing viewing men as the
30:11
problem instead of having problems, there's no future in that. Mm hmm.
30:15
And boys will continue to go towards people or men like Andrew Tate. As
30:18
long as you do that, you are creating him. You are creating him
30:22
by ignoring the problems that men and boys face and choose to blame them for
30:26
them, right, yep, all right, Okay, let's play some more
30:30
of this. Yeah, who are you talking about? Andrew Tates of the
30:33
world? Interesting because who made the I think John Mlaney made the observation Trump
30:38
is a poor person's idea of what a rich person looks like. Yeah,
30:41
I've got gold tap, But I think so Andrew Tate is like a fourteen
30:45
year old boy's idea of what masculinity might look like. Yeah, but why
30:52
is that? What? What have boys been patterning their masculinity on for the
30:56
past thousands of years? Before Andrew Tate was born. Well, I mean
31:00
they must have modeled on somebody. Yeah, isn't that interesting? Like what
31:07
like if you're if you don't like it's this is a well I don't know
31:10
what he's gonna say, and I'm not I'm not gonna get upset or anything.
31:12
But if if Jimmy Carr believes that, and I do agree that,
31:18
Andrew Tate is a kind of almost like a bad parody of like a cartoon
31:26
version of a straw man of masculinity, because it's not even like it's not
31:30
even a cartoon of masculinity, because it's like literally all of the most shallow
31:34
surface level stuff like I smoke cigars, I live in a you know,
31:38
I get back rubs Like that's not most like the overwhelming majority of men don't
31:44
live that way, and probably a lot of them don't even want to.
31:48
They just want enough, you know. But but boys respond to that because
31:53
they don't have anything else positive to respond to. Go ahead, he said.
32:00
Andrew Tate is a fourteen year old boy's idea of masculinity. Andrew Tate
32:07
is a feminist ideological ideologues idea of masculinity. Don't use this fourteen year old
32:15
boy. This is literally and I have said this how many times in the
32:21
last like ten years we've been doing this podcast and twenty years that I've been
32:25
dealing with these issues or pettying them or talking about them. Feminist conjecture removed
32:34
all of the positive qualities for masculinity except for Playboy, which you know,
32:39
it's not really seen as positive, but it's the only thing that is somewhat
32:44
pro social because you're appealing to the sexual desirability of women. Okay, everything
32:51
everything that could define a man, except for what Andrew Tate does. Everything,
32:58
and I'm excluding all of the potential criminal stuff that's excure. Just look
33:01
at what he says and what he does that isn't criminal, right, They
33:07
defined men as that, So this isn't a fourteen year old boys idea of
33:12
what masculinity is. It is the predominant ideology that defines masculinity's idea of what
33:19
masculinity is. And they constructed it, and your Tate became that. It
33:23
could be anybody else. It will be somebody else in five years, nobody's
33:28
gonna give a crap about Tate. It's gonna be a new person, a
33:30
new man, and it's gonna be defined by feminist idea of what a man
33:35
is. They're gonna walk into that role they're gonna be. They're gonna be
33:40
that character that feminism defined men to be. And then media is going to
33:45
platform them. They're both gonna construct this thing, and then they're gonna say,
33:52
this is who talks about men's issues. Aren't they all despicable? Screw
33:57
it, like we don't have to care about it, right, Yeah,
34:00
this is this is all constructed. As far as I'm concerned, it is
34:04
constructed. This isn't well, this isn't just a fourteen year old boy's idea
34:07
of what masculinity is. It is a feminist ideologue's idea of what masculinity is.
34:13
And what infuriates me about all of this is that, for some reason,
34:17
people think we have to answer to the decisions of feminists to construct masculinity
34:25
in terms of what Andrew Tate represents, and then the decision of the media
34:31
to present him. Well, it's not just us that has to answer.
34:37
It's essentially the way that you know, the way that women on the internet
34:38
are responding to this, it's all of Western society will have to answer for
34:44
this. They will make sure that we are all destroyed just so they can
34:49
say because Andrew Tate exists or some like edgy boy said something mean on the
34:52
internet, and that is women's way of proving that we shouldn't call them emotional.
34:58
Something occur after we watched Lauren Southern what she had to say, and
35:02
she talked about how in twenty sixteen she was against all of those feminists,
35:07
but she's saying the exact same thing as those feminists. What were they doing
35:12
in twenty sixteen? We need to censor the internet because there are edgy boys
35:15
insulting women and get saying misogynist things. That's exactly what they were doing.
35:21
And how is it different than what she's saying now, Like you gotta call
35:25
this out, you gotta sensor this, or we're gonna tear it all down.
35:29
We're gonna burn it all down. Like that's what she said, right,
35:34
Well she you know what, We didn't get to the end of that.
35:42
But I mean, yeah, I don't want to I don't want to
35:44
comment on that because I haven't seen it all yet. But okay, maybe
35:45
I shouldn't comment on it, but that we'll come back to it. But
35:49
I mean, this is like the sentiment online from a lot of so called
35:53
conservative women is that they don't like the mean things that the menfolk, some
36:00
of the menfolk anonymous accounts are saying. So therefore they're going to demonstrate that
36:06
they are in fact not emotional by destroying the country through votes. That's how
36:10
you prove that you do. You want to keep the vote. No,
36:15
it's not, it's it's the same. Well it's sixteen, let's roll.
36:19
Yeah, it's not. We need to stop online harassment by yeah, throwing
36:23
people in jail for words. Yeah, it's not. I mean, you
36:30
live long enough and you become you become the enemy. I guess, well,
36:34
no, I think it was always there. That's the thing that I
36:37
my my thinking is is that this is not something that changed in these women.
36:43
This is something these women always held. They just didn't They were basically
36:47
saying, we will fight against the overreaches of feminism, but when it comes
36:52
to the basic feminism that we like, we're gonna we're gonna protect that.
36:57
We're going to protect that if it takes destroying the entire country to do so.
37:02
So, none of these women were actually for like being as anti feminists,
37:07
even if they said they were anti feminists or whatever, non feminist,
37:10
whatever you want to call it. None of them were for that. They
37:14
wanted some feminism. They're like, can we have a little bit of feminism,
37:17
just a little bit? Can we have can we have the suffrag just
37:20
feminism? Can we have this much? Because that and that, that was
37:23
always the thing. Like I knew this from what I mentioned on the show
37:28
before. I talked to Sidney Watson when I when she first got on the
37:31
scene and she did that men's March in Australia, and I had her on
37:37
the show and I was talking to her about you know, the Middle East
37:40
and like where feminism necessary. I was trying to get a feel or you
37:45
know, like how much feminism she supported. And I was also questioning that
37:49
myself at the time that this was years back, and she bought into the
37:55
you know, the patriarchy of that other country over there, or the paid
38:00
priarchy of yesteryear, and I was like, well, this might be a
38:02
problem. And I also talked to Lauren Chen about that, and Lauren Chen
38:07
has kind of like been she's moved with this. She's I mean, she
38:12
doesn't talk about feminism a lot, but she is not as on board with
38:16
this stuff as Sydney. And I think when Sydney went like came after the
38:21
supposed red Pill Bros. Online, it wasn't that something changed. It was
38:25
that she was just like the thing that she wanted to the status quo that
38:30
she wanted to protect, she was afraid she was going to lose, and
38:35
so she had to like protect it in her mind. And that's what it
38:37
is. It's like, it's like these people that are like, oh,
38:40
I just want to go back to you know, an insert time period,
38:45
the two thousands, the nineties, whatever, and they're not willing to challenge
38:50
like the very root of whatever is happening because they just want to get to
38:52
a certain point. I just want some of this, right, I don't
38:57
want as much as we're getting now. But the problem is is that because
39:00
they allowed some of it before, that's how we got to where we are
39:04
now. And there has to be like a reformatting. You know, you
39:07
have to push to push the boulder up the mountain and then expect it not
39:12
to continue to fall. Yeah, you have to. You have to.
39:14
You can't roll it halfway up. You have to you know what I mean.
39:16
Yeah, you got to get it off the Mountain. Yes, I
39:21
wanted to point out was it's the same dynamic of pointing to a small group
39:27
of people who have an opinion and saying, because of these people, we
39:30
need to punish everyone at all. Men. It's the same dynamic, and
39:35
like, what do you want These guys have the right to have an opinion.
39:39
Yeah, I meant, yeah, for sure, say make me a
39:43
sandwich. Like I think we're getting into a different subject. Yeah, yeah,
39:46
Chank said make me a sandwich to Hannah or Ka Karen, not Hannah
39:51
Karen. But ultimately it is the same dynamic, and it is the dynamic
39:54
that is the problem. This idea that men have some kind of responsibility or
40:01
blame for the actions of a few, Right, that's not fair, And
40:07
that we should censor people because you don't like you find something, you find
40:13
something insulting. Like I just had this, this incredible thing come out of
40:19
the UK, This this case where a woman shoved a glass in a man's
40:23
face, a broken glass in a man's face because he didn't guess her age
40:27
right, and the judge got her off because you know, oh some some
40:31
you know, because it was it was it was not it was none appreciated
40:37
the banter wasn't appreciated by her. She found it embarrassing or insulting. So
40:43
a woman can violently assault a man because of her feelings. Is that really
40:50
a world we want to live in? These women can justify supposedly voting to
40:57
destroy the country. Now, whether or not they're actually doing that is another
41:00
question, but that's what that's what they're saying because they feel insulted. I
41:05
don't want to be ruled by people like that. I don't want to have
41:07
people like that in power. I don't want people like that making decisions for
41:12
me. Right, this is not acceptable because you feel insulted. Isn't acceptable
41:19
to glass a man, to shove broken glass in the eyes of a man,
41:23
and I don't think she got his eyes thankfully, Or to burn your
41:28
cost not acceptable. Your feelings are not a justification for any kind of violence.
41:37
Yeah, okay, all right. I got a super chat from Iggy
41:43
Thunders. He says, people keep saying cars a gen X kid, not
41:46
a boomer. They don't get it. A boomer is any man or a
41:50
woman left or right that thinks every problem can be solved by shaming men.
41:52
Well, that would make almost everybody a boomer, wouldn't it all right,
41:57
let's play more of the video like it's really it's it's of course nature abhors
42:02
a vacuum, and there's a real vacuum for elders like we now, we
42:09
don't learn how to shave from our fathers. It's a YouTube video, and
42:13
so you lose something in that, in that bonding. So there's a big
42:16
bit in the new show where I give a young guy an audience member a
42:21
pretty tough time, like we have the talk and I give them advice on
42:25
how to be with a woman. I'm pausing it there. I don't know
42:30
what he's gonna say, but I just wanted to pause for the banana.
42:32
And yes, that's true. I mean, guys are learning how to tie
42:36
their ties, if they even want to tie a tie, how to shave,
42:40
you know, how to be with them. It's almost like it's it's
42:45
it's almost like the fatherlessness thing has an impact how to be with a woman.
42:51
Every woman like that. You you you, you yourself know how to
42:55
be with any woman. Okay, yeah, well, well I don't know
43:00
what he's gonna say. I mean I think he's I don't know what's Maybe
43:04
he's trying to make a point. Ah maybe, yeah, yeah, it's
43:07
gonna be in let me, let me make a prognostication, no doubt it's
43:12
gonna be. Oh you know, you are a problem in a woman's life.
43:15
This is how you mitigate it. So let's find out. Oh,
43:17
well, we'll see. And it's I'm not wrong about anything. It's really
43:22
funny and it's really rude, but I'm not wrong about stuff. It's like,
43:25
it's about consent and it's it's I think it's really it's really good because
43:29
it's I've sugared the pill of the message because people don't want to talk about
43:31
it. People always obvious what consent is. Yeah, not to seventeen year
43:35
old boys or girls. It's like, actually, what does that look like?
43:38
And how should that be saving? So it's yeah, it's a really
43:42
fun routine. It's really fun routine to performance right saving throw there or or
43:45
seventeen year old girls. It's as if they're I mean, it's a good
43:49
it's a yeah. It's almost like they're impulse again. Again. You know,
43:54
I think that men and women have done just fine for millennia. So
43:59
what's changed? Why are they unable to model their behavior? What do they
44:02
have to model their behavior on. I mean, it's funny. You know
44:06
if you take like a father out of the home and you do this so
44:08
crow over multiple generations and there's like no male presence in the home, and
44:14
then the children they grow up, and some of them, the ones that
44:17
don't become dysfunctional, they decide they're going to try and learn how to navigate
44:22
the world. And instead of going to peers or whatever, they might just
44:25
look on TV. They might go to YouTube videos, they might go on
44:30
the internet and look who's on the internet to teach them Feminists. I mean,
44:35
that's like, remember when Lacey Green was like at her peak, like
44:38
all of her videos, she was making all these videos about consent and rape
44:45
culture and all these other things. Well, if you're a young man and
44:47
you don't have your father, Lacey Green, she's got big boobs. Let's
44:52
let me learn from her. And sure enough she's there to teach you that.
44:57
You know, as a man, you are a patriot and you have
45:00
to you have to ask for you have to ask for consent and every step
45:05
of the interaction. I mean, what was her what was her channel called?
45:08
She had this one called Bralis, But that was when she was working
45:12
for MTV, but that was one before that and it was just like all
45:15
about like sex stuff. So what it was called. Yeah, yeah,
45:20
I can't remember exactly either, but it was a long time ago. Let's
45:22
go to the next all right, the next time code is twenty seven.
45:27
Oh, this is the next bit. What what it means to be a
45:29
man? I'm sure, or what it is to be a man? It
45:31
should be very education educational. What is it to be a man these days?
45:37
Because it's quite confusing in terms of even the conversation around like chivalry and
45:42
understanding. You know, well people talk about toxic masculinity and easy fix.
45:46
All right, I'm gonna pause it there before he talks. You know,
45:49
it's funny these guys are discussing. They're asking this question as though like everything
45:55
has to be socialized or engineered, Like what does it mean to be a
45:59
man these days? Well, probably means the same thing that it's always meant.
46:04
But it's not men that have changed. I mean, like men's role
46:08
hasn't really changed, has it, Like they're still expected to do the same
46:13
things, right, Yeah, it's the same stuff. Men's role has never
46:15
changed, and men's role will probably never change because women will always want even
46:25
if they want to be girl boss, independent, strong, all that empowered,
46:30
et cetera, they're gonna want men within, arms reached, just in
46:34
case the barbarians come, you know, to the walls, like they just
46:38
in case. Because so it's like men are in a they occupy a space
46:45
where we keep these people like this, like these intellectuals they talk around this
46:51
like, oh men, what is masculinity? What does it mean to be
46:53
a man? What is it? Anyway, while they're on the internet talking
46:59
to each other in an air conditioned room built by like all of these things
47:04
that men have built, invented, built and maintained this day, and they're
47:09
still going, what does it even mean to be a man? Though?
47:12
Guy? As they like, you know, go let me go check on
47:15
the you know what I'm saying, Like everything men are doing the same thing,
47:21
Like that's this is not something that we can like pontificate about. It
47:24
already exists. Like what you talking to you? What are men? Yeah?
47:30
Like literally they go, okay, so you got this this this feminist
47:35
academic, Oh what what? What good are men? What are men for?
47:37
As she goes to work in a car, most likely designed by a
47:43
man, built by a man, serviced by a man. Yeah, it's
47:45
actually you know, it's actually it's funny. I don't I don't think.
47:50
Oh, go ahead, it's going fueled by gas that's gotten off a oil
47:54
rig by a man and put through pipes paid down by men, and mostly
48:02
pumped into her car by a gas attendant who is a man. Then gets
48:07
into a high rise building built by men, into an elevator designed and serviced
48:14
by men, into her office, where she pours herself a cup of coffee.
48:19
The coffee is no doubt delivered by a man. The water main that
48:24
brings her the water that gets her cup of coffee is built and maintained by
48:30
men. And she sits down at a desk that was no doubt designed and
48:34
built by men, turns on her computer, also designed and built by men,
48:38
using electricity maintained by men, to sit back in her chair built and
48:45
most likely maintained by men, to ponder, what are men for? Are
48:51
you flip and kidding me? Yeah? What are men for? Well?
49:00
Take away everything a man is responsible for, building, him, maintaining,
49:02
and then ask yourself that. And people don't like to engage with this.
49:06
This thought experiment because instantaneously they realize just what men are for everything. Yeah,
49:14
yeah, everything, you know. You know what. It reminds me
49:16
whenever I hear this people are talking about like men like men. Men's role
49:21
is actually pretty clearly defined. They're doing it now. Women's role is the
49:25
thing that's actually in question. I think women are the ones that are sort
49:29
of like going through a bit of an identity crisis. But this whole thing
49:31
reminds me of this line from The Matrix. I'm gonna read it for you
49:37
so you guys can see what I mean by this. Okay, So this
49:40
is Morpheus talking to Neo when he's explaining to him what the matrix is.
49:44
I want you to think about this in the context of men basically running everything.
49:47
The matrix is everywhere. It is all around us, even now in
49:51
this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or
49:53
when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to
49:57
work and you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is
50:00
the world that has been pulled over your eye, sublind you from the truth.
50:06
What truth that men basically keep everything running? And what are you complaining
50:07
about? Like seriously, like it it's that ubiquitous that you can't see it.
50:15
That's the thing. And of course it's almost like people have to do
50:21
that because I think that they would have like an experience like of such cognitive
50:28
dissonance to like actually take a step out and say, holy shit, actually
50:31
without men, so this whole thing falls apart and the birthrates are declining,
50:37
what are we doing? Like how am I complaining about men on the internet
50:42
when the internet is the reason? Like men are the reason for the Internet.
50:46
I'm going to say, you know, people who are having babies today,
50:51
your child is going to come of age or it's going to be having
50:54
their old age in the twilight of the civilization, the nightmare years of this
51:00
civilization, Like unless we fix this problem, like children born today are going
51:08
to be experiencing unbelievable levels of destruction and poverty and isolation in when they are
51:17
in their senior years because we're not fixing this problem, and that includes the
51:23
girls. Feminists like that, you don't want to support this society of great
51:30
privilege and comfort, Like there has never been a society like this where women
51:37
can have the life they want, arrange their life in whatever way they want
51:45
make the decisions that they want to make, and men in the past were
51:50
constrained as well. But let's not get into this incredible society of liberty and
51:55
prosperity. If you want to maintain this society, we need to solve this
52:00
problem. We need to solve the problem of getting people together and pair bonding,
52:06
right otherwise we're facing the twilight and girls born today will be experiencing that.
52:13
And you've got to care about something. What am I talking about?
52:15
I already know they don't care about anything but the fricking bank accounts. All
52:21
right, let's keep yeah, all right, let's keep going. Be a
52:23
gentleman, be a mensch. That's it, is it done? Be a
52:29
gentleman, be a mensch. You know, a gentleman? What's a mensch?
52:32
Any Brits in the chat, can you guys explain to me what it
52:35
meant? It's a Yiddish word or what? Oh? Okay? Any Jews
52:38
in the chat want to tell me what? I have an anecdote like that
52:44
The GQ guy who came to ICMI nine twenty fourteen, and he explicitly came
52:52
to try to discredit us with an individual of extremely unpleasant social interests, shall
52:59
we say, I mean being very euphimistic. I'm not going to explain any
53:02
further, but this individual was running around trying to find sound bites to make
53:08
us look as bad as possible. And I remember he talked at length with
53:13
my husband Jonathan, and then he concluded that he was a minsch. So
53:17
I don't know that helps. Okay, No, I don't know. Maybe
53:21
yeah, being could have been somebody said, just a nice guy. It's
53:24
German for human. Okay, Well minsch does mean human in German? Yeah,
53:29
yes, okay, Uh, well, I don't know. Let's keep
53:32
going. And he's never rude by accident. It's Christophatrien's line. Great,
53:38
I don't know. I mean my thing about young men today, If I
53:40
was going to give young men advice, it would be get the right drugs
53:46
and the real thing, right in real life, live in real life.
53:52
Right, So why do not need advice? They need people to care about
53:57
them and support. I mean, I guess it's like good advice is a
54:00
kind of caring. Yes, I mean men men desire, men desire,
54:07
deliver the advice and basically think that's the end of it. Well, yeah,
54:14
I mean, I don't know, like, yeah, I get,
54:16
I get what you're saying. I don't know. Somebody say it is Yiddish
54:22
is Yiddish? Is just German and Yiddish they share some kind of relationship,
54:27
No pun intended. I mean, I'm not gone. I'm just I'm just
54:31
saying, like, sometimes Yiddish sounds German. I don't know if that's a
54:37
kuinkie dink But okay, video games obsessed. They're spending hours and hours and
54:44
hours online playing video games. Why, well, that's a proxy for career,
54:49
right video games. You think about the levels of video games on what
54:52
people do on video games, it's that's a proxy. That's like a it's
54:55
a it's a substitute for the career that they're not having. It's a proxy
54:59
for for male community. Actually there is, you know, Warren Farrell has
55:04
said this too. He's actually said that the you know, boys are playing
55:07
too many video games and they're lose. They're not winning at life, they're
55:09
winning at video games. But Alison, I'm sorry, I have to step
55:13
away for just a second. I have to go to the restroom. It's
55:15
an emergency. I'll be right back. Can you just talk to talk,
55:19
just say what you want to say, okay, I'll talk amongst myselves.
55:21
Okay. So essentially this this individual is now taking on Warren Ferrell's statement about
55:28
how boys substitute a career and success in career with video gaming. Now,
55:35
from what I've seen, what they're actually substituting is male community. So the
55:39
feeling of being able to cooperate with other men to improve the circumstance or to
55:45
influence the circumstance, you know, to uh for freedom and democracy, you
55:51
know that kind of thing. So it's it's and the fact is that that
55:54
doesn't seem to exist in any capacity in the in the world like HR,
56:01
the HR Department is destroying the sense of male cooperation. The fact of forced
56:07
diversity is destroying the sense of male cooperation. So where do men get that
56:14
fraternity, that community. They can't get it because of course it is the
56:19
the the old boys club, right, It's it's suspects. It's suspected as
56:24
the vector of dread patriarchy into the community. So all of men's cooperative endeavors
56:32
in the context of the greater community have become suspect. So where do they
56:37
go to get that feeling of camaraderie A cooperation with other men. They go
56:40
to games, and unless you want to bring that back into the community,
56:45
they're going to continue to go to games. So it's not just earning a
56:50
point, it's also being able to work with your friends, your male friends,
56:55
in order to make this virtual realm a better place, or just have
57:01
some influence over it somehow. To enjoy the experience of having influence over you
57:08
know, a universe. You know that that feeling like you matter, that
57:14
you're a hero of something, and that you're that you are doing so in
57:17
conjunction with your your your male companions. That's what my opinion of what games
57:23
do. And if you want to taking that away is not going to solve
57:32
anything. It's just going to completely remove any way for men to get that
57:38
from anywhere, and it's going to just what will happen is if you take
57:45
games away from men, you're not going to get more success in career from
57:50
men, Like you're not going to get men working harder. You're going to
57:52
get men checking out entirely. You're going to get men going completely black,
57:59
going completely dark, like either killing themselves, going comatose, just just descending
58:07
into drugs, just completely removing themselves from society. You're not. This is
58:15
not a competition between games and career. This is a competition between games and
58:20
the death of self. All right, you take that away again. You're
58:24
not gonna get more success from men. You're gonna get more death, more
58:30
suicide, more giving up from men. Right. So, I don't know
58:35
why you can you can, you can. You can say games of the
58:38
problem, but right now they're one of the few things keeping men invested in
58:44
society and keeping men going. As society decides that it doesn't have to do
58:49
that work, it doesn't have to create a system where men can cooperate and
58:53
feel like they're bettering the world, and it consists in an understandable way,
58:58
like we our society basically says you are a net detriment to the world.
59:05
Right, as a man, you are a net detriment. What your predominant
59:08
influence over the world is is oppression as a man. Like, there's no
59:14
other real message out there about men and what men are doing in society towards
59:19
women and the rest of society except the oppression narrative you are a burden narrative
59:23
that you take away from society, narrative that you are not good for people,
59:29
the people around you, that you don't benefit them as a man.
59:31
If you left, they'd be better off. That's the narrative we give men.
59:37
They go to games to get the narrative that they are important, that
59:42
they are doing something valuable, or you know, you know, kick off
59:45
and just go crazy and be be psychotic. That has its place too,
59:51
but that's where they get the message that their actions matter and that they matter.
59:55
They can have not just that their actions matter and that they matter,
1:00:01
but that their relationships with other men matter. Okay, that's where they get
1:00:07
from games. That's what they get from games, and our society isn't is
1:00:10
not giving that to them. So it's like I said, it's not a
1:00:14
competition between games. Succeeding in games and succeeding in society. You take away
1:00:19
games and you take away the last place where men are really told that they
1:00:23
matter. Yeah, I mean, why do It's a live show, so
1:00:30
I had to get it. I had to get out for just a second,
1:00:31
come back now, live show, guys. That's what that's the price
1:00:35
that you pay. Sometimes sometimes nature calls you just got to answer. So,
1:00:38
yeah, we doesn't. She doesn't leave a message, she just just
1:00:44
she just beams her thoughts right into the Yeah, the MOUs nucleus. You
1:00:47
gotta take the call. Just like other women. They'll nag you until you
1:00:52
can't take it anymore. Okay, what I was gonna say is, we're
1:00:54
all pretty like honestly, guys, a lot of this is just all three
1:00:59
of us meet Karen Brian, We got we got our issues. Shall we
1:01:01
say? Yeah? Right? But it looks I just wanted to say no,
1:01:07
I'm okay. It was just like you know, for summer, I
1:01:10
had a coffee and it just ran through me. But but what I was
1:01:15
gonna say is, uh, yeah, I mean, I think the thing
1:01:17
about the games is that, of course these things can be done to excess,
1:01:22
but the problem is is that we have kind of taken away men's young
1:01:30
men's purpose because like it, what do what do men want? Like?
1:01:36
What what do young men want? Ultimately you already covered that, right,
1:01:39
So if you like, if you said that, there's no yeah, there's
1:01:43
no sense of worth in right they do in society because they're rightly told that
1:01:47
they do is wrong. Essentially, you are asking men to embrace the material,
1:01:57
not the transcendent. Because I think think that if men had a right
1:02:02
place to be, like if we if we cared about them and love them
1:02:07
enough to say, you know, this is for you in society instead of
1:02:13
blaming them for everything and knocking them down, you know, constantly, and
1:02:17
we just told them, you know, like, what do you want to
1:02:20
do? What is your mission? And a man with a mission that that's
1:02:23
when I think they're at their happiest. And it doesn't have to be for
1:02:27
a woman. I get that people want to think that I'm going to make
1:02:30
the case for that, That's not what I'm saying, but I think that
1:02:34
that's how women, that's what women are drawn to. And so we have
1:02:37
this this situation where men are not supposed to pursue anything other than their own
1:02:45
gratification because when you take out, when you when you get rid of Look
1:02:50
at the end of the Barbie movie. Okay, as an example, at
1:02:53
the end of the Barbie movie, Ken thought that he was his purpose was
1:03:00
to be with Barbie because they were made for each other, which they were,
1:03:04
right, But of course Greta Gerwig wanted to subvert the whole thing and
1:03:07
instead Ken can just be on his own. But what does that mean,
1:03:10
Like, what does it really mean, it means that he is supposed to
1:03:15
be enough by himself and she's supposed to be enough by herself. And that
1:03:17
sounds nice, but ultimately, if everyone did that, we would be extinct.
1:03:22
So men know this on some sexual level, they're like, well,
1:03:27
I would like to live for more than that. But when you don't give
1:03:30
them anything, then they do pursue the material, and they do play video
1:03:35
games or something else that distracts them. They watch sports, they watch porn,
1:03:39
they whatever, right, and then when they do that, we they
1:03:45
still what well, there's still again, men are still maintaining society. So
1:03:50
they are I know, by and I know most of them. It's you
1:03:52
know, well, I get it, I get it. No, most
1:03:54
of them are. And but what I'm saying is is that like, and
1:04:00
I don't think that. I don't I think that that's the thing, like
1:04:02
to essentially take away the means by which the average man could build a family,
1:04:12
which is what most men want to do. And one of the things
1:04:15
to do that involves attracting a woman, and one of the things to do
1:04:18
that involves pursuing some kind of a mission. They don't have to necessarily chase
1:04:24
their dreams I'm more of the micro camp where it's like, you know,
1:04:29
for a few people, they're going to be able to do that, but
1:04:31
most people they're just gonna be happy with something that you know, allows them
1:04:36
to, especially with men, work with their hands or use their skills so
1:04:41
essentially bring value to some greater thing. Like some you know, they build
1:04:45
something with a bunch of other dudes, and I think that's enough for the
1:04:48
average guy. But then that will attract women. But what we've done in
1:04:54
our in our economy, in our job market, et cetera, as be
1:04:58
essentially bend over back for women to educate them, to encourage them to pursue
1:05:02
careers, et cetera. And we've also told those same women that because they
1:05:08
have all those things, either because we told them or they had this instinct.
1:05:12
It's probably a combination of both of those things. Women are looking for
1:05:15
men that are completely out of their reach, like they don't even exist.
1:05:18
So then you get like these average men who are ignored by women. They
1:05:24
might be doing fine, they might be keeping society running, but they're alone,
1:05:28
and so they just spend their time doing something else. How can we
1:05:31
blame them for that? Like that's what I'm That's what I'm getting at.
1:05:33
How can we blame them for that when and what we're doing is essentially when
1:05:39
you create that vacuum between men and women where women are looking for something that
1:05:45
isn't there and men can't even get their attention, but they still keep things
1:05:50
going. Both of those groups of people are going to pursue the material.
1:05:56
And so we can't shame men for getting in the video game because the conditions
1:06:00
of I mean, like, to an excessive degree, I like to play
1:06:03
video games. Lindsay likes to play video games. She's playing Minecraft in the
1:06:06
other room right now, So there's nothing wrong with doing that. I hope
1:06:10
you don't think that I'm shaming people for playing video games. But what I'm
1:06:13
saying is is that if you have a problem with guys that are playing video
1:06:15
games for like twenty hours or some crazy amount of time and they're not doing
1:06:19
anything but working, sleeping, and playing video games, well that's not his
1:06:24
fault because he doesn't have anything else. And now these same people that created
1:06:30
these conditions are trying to go into those spaces and they're trying to like make
1:06:34
that uninhabitable for men as well. So then men have nothing left and that's
1:06:40
you know, that's why the Sweet Baby inc Thing is created such a massive
1:06:44
backlash. I watched a live stream, a little bit of a livestream today
1:06:47
on side Scrollers and Grums was on there, Mark Kern, and he went
1:06:53
on a bit of a tirade about like what was going on, and I
1:06:56
was like, holy crap, I love this, Like I was feeling it
1:06:59
because he was saying what I've been saying for ten years. And he was
1:07:02
like a professional in the industry, and so he like, men are starting
1:07:05
to It was basically us talking about how like it was about this specific can
1:07:11
sort of fight that we're that people are involved with right now regarding this game
1:07:15
called Stellar Blade and the censorship. And even though the censorship that's happening is
1:07:19
very slight, he says, we can't, you know, we cannot like
1:07:24
compromise this like this is I've had enough. Like he was basically saying,
1:07:28
like this, these people that do this, they're not they're not doing this
1:07:32
because of something they claim to want to see. They're doing this because men
1:07:36
like me are enjoying this thing and they can't let us enjoy it. So
1:07:40
he's like sort of seeing what it is right. It's a it's a thing
1:07:44
that like you know, as he described it, sis had men enjoy.
1:07:48
Therefore they can't have it and we have to attack it. And he's like
1:07:54
I'm not and he was like we yeah, and he's like I'm not compromising
1:07:57
this. We are not going to let them like have this. They can't
1:08:00
have this. We have to win this. And I was like, there
1:08:02
you go, now you see it. I've been saying this for ten years,
1:08:06
like you know none of this, like, well you know, none
1:08:10
of this compromise. You have to stop. It was another great clip I
1:08:12
saw and it was a woman, her name is Kersha, and she they
1:08:15
were talking about did you see the clip of Adam Sessler where she was like
1:08:19
like basically saying, you know, fuck this guy, like they were because
1:08:23
like so, Adam Sessler used to work for what was it called that game
1:08:28
G four I think, and he used to be like he was claimed to
1:08:30
be like the oh, I'm all about the gamers, right, but he
1:08:35
attacked gamers and basically people in general after twenty sixteen because that broke everybody's brains
1:08:42
for some reason, and like after that, you know, supposedly he's been
1:08:48
having a hard time, and like the guy from side Scroll, theer's stuttering
1:08:51
Craig. He was like, oh, well, I feel kind of bad
1:08:55
for him, and Kersher was like, no, fuck that guy, and
1:08:57
she basically laid it all out. She was like he he well, he
1:09:00
wished death on people. He was like, because that's the thing is like
1:09:02
these people, they they I get it, Like I get it, and
1:09:06
I think it's justified. Like look, if you were basically telling me to
1:09:11
eat shit and die for ten years and now you're suffering, I mean,
1:09:14
I feel bad for you, but I'm not going to tell you that,
1:09:16
like, you know, it's all good, come on over here, because
1:09:18
who knows you're not going to do that shit again, like especially this year.
1:09:23
So I get it, you know, and so like. But what
1:09:26
I appreciate is not so much that. What I appreciate is that people are
1:09:30
at the point now where they could see very clearly that there is an ideological
1:09:38
rot that is the problem, and not it's not ethics. It's not like,
1:09:43
you know, somebody has differing opinions. It's not that. It's like
1:09:45
there is a ideological rot and people are seeing the consequences of that socially and
1:09:54
it is targeting mostly men. It is targeting men, and it is targeting
1:09:59
men's interests and even people who claim to care about men when they bring this
1:10:04
up in this kind of concern trolley way where it's like, well I don't
1:10:08
want you playing video games all day. Well you don't understand that this is
1:10:12
all that is left, like you said, you know, this is why,
1:10:15
So like, why don't we address I don't think that men want to
1:10:17
be doing that either. I think that they'd like to be doing something,
1:10:20
you know, like for like that they felt they were contributing to some bigger
1:10:27
mission, you know, like I was saying, like that's what men want.
1:10:30
Men generally, not speaking for you, guys in the chat want a
1:10:34
mission and we like, but what they need for that is the freedom to
1:10:41
pursue that. And they need somebody or they need something to sort of point
1:10:45
them in that direction. And all we do now is discourage them. Well,
1:10:49
I just want to say about grim Or and what he had to say
1:10:54
about you know, they're just attacking games because sis head white men like him
1:10:59
like the those games. Well, what it actually is, grums, grums.
1:11:03
Sorry, Actually, part of what is actually happening is they want to
1:11:09
use games. They want to turn games into a vehicle of their ideology,
1:11:15
and they want to be able to use them to control people like drums and
1:11:21
control their opinions. That's what they want. It's the same thing with we
1:11:26
didn't care about men's issues until Andrew Tait started to become very influential with the
1:11:30
boys. Well, now we care because somebody has control or or has influence
1:11:36
over this demographic, and we don't want them to have influence over this demographic.
1:11:41
They see games as a tool to have influence over men, or to
1:11:45
have command over men. Ah, Brian, you have you have frozen?
1:11:49
Oh no, I you were just you were just pondering. Okay, that's
1:11:53
I was looking. I was checking my phone. I was checking my phone
1:11:56
for I know my head canon. You were pondering your orb No, I'm
1:12:00
here, I'm good. All right, let's play some more of this.
1:12:03
How much time do we have? Like fifteen minutes? So yeah, And
1:12:05
then they spend a lot of time, you know, fapping to porn hubble
1:12:11
you porn or whatever, and that's a proxy for sex, and my thing
1:12:17
would be George orwell, wasn't right. Our power won't be taken away from
1:12:24
us by some authoritarian master. We're going to give it away for cheap dopamine.
1:12:29
And I wouldn't cut the authoritarian master out so quick there, bud.
1:12:34
No, I think it's an overlap. It's all of it. It's it's
1:12:36
Huxley, it's our well, it's uh, you know, fahrenheit, it's
1:12:42
fahrenheit for one one whatever it is, and just as yeah, smoothie,
1:12:47
it's all of it. But okay, he was saying. So he's saying,
1:12:55
like, but here's the thing. The central problem is that these men
1:13:00
aren't attractive to women, and they aren't attractive to women because well maybe maybe
1:13:05
he says that. I don't know. He's like, obviously you're right,
1:13:09
You're like, I mean, yeah, like I think that like actual sex
1:13:14
is better than fapping. I mean, am I wrong? I think I
1:13:16
But the problem is is that, like actual sex is not on it has
1:13:23
never been. Yeah, it's not on the table exactly. So it's like,
1:13:25
well, what do men do? That's what I'm saying. You can't
1:13:27
just take it away from them. You have to, like we we have
1:13:30
to like give them a path to something great. It's not it's just not
1:13:34
going to make them happy in the long run and the cheap dopamine of video
1:13:38
games and online porn and living online is is is getting in the way of
1:13:45
real life. So's risk? Okay, can I just does this guy think
1:13:50
that that men were trucking along dating women, having a great time, taking
1:13:55
her out for ice cream, you know, getting some nookie in the back
1:13:59
of the freaking bleach everybody's and they're getting relationships, having children, having successful
1:14:03
jobs, taking care of their kids, doing all this thing. And then
1:14:08
just one day, I don't know, flip switched in men's brains and they're
1:14:11
like, you know what, I don't want any of that. I just
1:14:14
want games and porns. Screw you. And then they just walked off,
1:14:18
and you know, like, is this what these guys think happened? Well,
1:14:25
I don't know if he's making he might make the case that that.
1:14:30
I mean, I don't know, I haven't seen the video, So like,
1:14:32
I know a lot, Okay, I'll say this. I know that
1:14:35
there are a lot of people who fret about men watching too much porn,
1:14:41
mostly because they're afraid of how it will affect women. I know there are
1:14:45
a lot of people who fret about men playing too many video games, mostly
1:14:48
because they fret about how those men won't be able to contribute to wider society.
1:14:56
But what they're not asking is like what is in it for them?
1:15:00
And that's the thing, like what do what does society, not just women,
1:15:03
what does society bring to the table, Because they're not Yeah, they're
1:15:08
not doing anything, they're just expecting things. This goes back to ach,
1:15:13
No, this goes back to what they are doing already, right, right,
1:15:17
right right, This goes back to what I was saying before about how
1:15:20
you know, we're all like talking about how men's role supposedly change, and
1:15:28
I said, no, it has, it's been the same. It's women's
1:15:30
role that has lost. It's lost. It's yeah, it's not recognized.
1:15:34
And women's role has basically become immaterial. It's no, it's it's basically become
1:15:42
like there is no mission for women. There's no there's no They can do
1:15:45
whatever they want except complain. Yeah, but like they can do whatever they
1:15:49
want, which means they end up not doing anything particularly interesting. And there
1:15:56
is nobody can criticize them. No one can, No one can hold them
1:15:59
to a standsequence. Right, because nobody can criticize them, their choices have
1:16:02
no consequence they live in. They exist in a world where nothing that they
1:16:08
do really matters. Yes, you know, the cleanup crew goes behind them
1:16:11
and tries to scrub away all the comments. And then they go, well,
1:16:15
why why am I right? And they and they have like a forty
1:16:18
hour work week, and they're like, why don't I have? Why am
1:16:21
I not happy? You know, I'm independent, I'm strong, I have
1:16:27
my own place, I have my own money. Why am I miserable?
1:16:30
Because you all did that out of spite, like you do it because it
1:16:32
was out of your own desires. You did it out of spite, to
1:16:35
spite the patriarchy, to smash the patriarchy. You never thought, well what
1:16:40
do I want? No, you only thought in terms of what will make
1:16:43
men pissed at me, and honestly, men don't care. I think maybe
1:16:47
that's the most galling thing. Yeah, maybe that's why all these guys,
1:16:53
all these red pill guys who get you get head up over these issues,
1:16:56
are the ones that get because they actually make women think think that they're doing
1:17:00
anything that they're actually are spiting the patriarchy. Like you know, all the
1:17:06
red pill guys who get upset over whatever choices women make that isn't like being
1:17:12
a trad wife, not even a tradwife, but isn't like being a Hollywood
1:17:15
fiction, you know, stepping out of a Hollywood advertisement from the fifties.
1:17:20
Right, maybe they're shown they're they're actually like the mainstream is actually promoting these
1:17:26
men because it does give women a sense that they've spied someone, when in
1:17:30
fact most men don't care. Right, do you have not smashed the patriarchy?
1:17:35
Because the patriarchy don't give a fuck because it doesn't exist. But even
1:17:40
if it did, it probably wouldn't care, all right, so oh if
1:17:43
it did, you wouldn't be able to complain about it. Yeah, Albert,
1:17:45
I got I got some I got a super chat and a well we
1:17:49
do you you? We have to answer these? So I got a super
1:17:54
chat from Albert Nata retro says, men like Asian men like booty there for
1:17:59
booty delicious Asia is misogynistic, catch up women most affected. I will not
1:18:03
even try to translate that. And then I got a super chow but I
1:18:08
missed it because I was indisposed temporarily, but I will read it because I
1:18:14
do have the discord up here. So great indoors gave us ten bucks,
1:18:16
thank you great indoors and says I want to point out that throughout the podcast,
1:18:20
Car and the host are talking about hardship and how to be your best
1:18:24
self and getting goals set and done. All I could think of was quote,
1:18:28
but where's men's motivation to try and do those things nowadays? End quote?
1:18:31
If given the choice now, I think most men are content with a
1:18:34
modest income that will allow them the most individual freedom. But maybe I'm biased.
1:18:40
No, they would because here's the thing. You know, that meme
1:18:44
of like the empty apartment building with like, you know, one one futon
1:18:49
and a game console and a flatscreen TV, and it says, you know,
1:18:53
men will literally live like this and be fine. That's what. Why
1:18:56
wouldn't they? Because there's That's what I'm saying, Like, if you take
1:19:00
away something else to for men to strive for, primarily you know, like
1:19:11
a partner to share their life with and potentially a family, then they won't
1:19:16
pursue anything outside of exactly what they need. And you can't complain about that
1:19:21
because the what like, what would be the point if women have already been
1:19:28
propagandized over generations and they're convinced that they don't need men. Maybe the problem
1:19:34
isn't with men. It's just like I've said all this time, where people
1:19:36
are always like worried about like my right wing backlash, my Handmaid's Tale.
1:19:42
I always say, well, you know, if you just told men that
1:19:45
you love them, no matter how angry they were, they would drop everything
1:19:47
and immediately hook up immediately. They're waiting for women to say I'm sorry.
1:19:53
Yeah, I think like they're just waiting for women to say I'm sorry.
1:19:57
There's or not even a sorry, just this I love and appreciate you and
1:20:00
I'm grateful. Yeah, there's never been a time where there's more sex available
1:20:04
to young men, and they're still walking away. And they're walking away because
1:20:10
they don't feel like they can get love. That's that's the simple thing.
1:20:15
Women do not give the impression that they are capable of loving men the full
1:20:19
stop. They don't give the impression. They don't give the impression that they
1:20:24
feel like they should or or or that they even will, right, And
1:20:30
that's why, Yeah, in my opinion, from what I've seen, that's
1:20:32
why young men are walking away from trying to form families. And games don't
1:20:36
replicate career, they replicate family and community. Yeah, that's in my in
1:20:45
my opinion, let's try it. Yeah, I got one more, Well,
1:20:47
I got another. I got a rumble rant. Well, that's that's
1:20:51
life, Alison. I don't know what to tell you. Maybe we should
1:20:54
just tell people not to donate anything. No, and then we'll just okay,
1:20:58
no, give two dollars and says, just talk to real women.
1:21:01
The word she could say is no, gosh, golly, what do you
1:21:04
think robo ai wifu robo ai wife who says men are not evil for supporting
1:21:11
feminism? All right, thank you, nova fan, I did get that
1:21:15
message. Let us play the next thing. That's what we're not allowing young
1:21:19
people to do, because we're saying to young people you can't take risks in
1:21:25
real life. We're helicopter parenting. We're not giving them the freedom. How
1:21:29
much freedom should you give a kid as much as they can cope with,
1:21:31
right, fourteen year olds used to be babysitters. They now need babysitters.
1:21:36
That's not good, right, So you should allow them more freedom in the
1:21:41
real world because otherwise the only place they get freedom is online. No freedom
1:21:46
in the real world. You're not allowed to go to the park, and
1:21:48
hang out. But you're okay, fair enough that PAUSI gets there. I
1:21:54
don't know that men get that much freedom online. Well, at least it's
1:21:57
under attack, you saying isn't objectionable though, Yeah, it's not. No,
1:22:01
it's it's fine. It's fine, allowed to do whatever you want online.
1:22:05
Well, that's a that feels like a very bad social experiment. That
1:22:10
feels like a bad idea. Yeah, it feels like we've inverted, you
1:22:16
know, Maslov this pyramid hierarchy of needs and you go, well, food
1:22:21
and shelter and warmth and to do all the We've got all the bottom stuff
1:22:25
worked out in our society, right, we kind of can't see it.
1:22:28
We're not grateful for that because we can't see hot shower, the hot shower.
1:22:31
We can't see the third world, and we can't see the people in
1:22:33
the past having a tougher time than us. So yeah, you can't see
1:22:36
the men keeping everything running. They basically took care of the bottom, the
1:22:42
bottom levels of the mass laws hierarchy. Right, assuming that you don't just
1:22:45
ignore, you know, your stomach, like we're victims of our own success,
1:22:51
like human society. Maybe that's where all like the ancient societies. This
1:22:56
is what all This is what happens to them. They get to a certain
1:22:59
point and then everybody's just like, well, we don't want to breed anymore
1:23:02
because we're bored. I don't know the hext going on. Maybe or we
1:23:10
needed some there could be a well. But the thing is, though,
1:23:14
like, there are ways to learn gratitude mm hmm without having to experience the
1:23:19
suffering. It just comes with it. Learn to just repeat gratitude. Yeah,
1:23:26
journal, you're right, I am grateful for and there you go.
1:23:30
All right, so let's let's say we take it for granted, but we've
1:23:34
worked out that stuff. They hadn't worked that stuff out two hundred years ago,
1:23:39
but they had the top of the pyramids sorted. Everyone knew who they
1:23:43
were, They had their identity, and they knew what their purpose was.
1:23:46
Everyone knew who they were, what they were about, and they were connected
1:23:50
to the others in the in the group. And now we're kind of free
1:23:55
floating individuals. We kind of worship the individual as if as if we can
1:23:59
survive as individuals. I don't want to make a theological case here, but
1:24:08
I'm tempted to. There is something that we need that. I think older
1:24:14
generations had probably figured out, and I don't think our comforts that we have
1:24:21
today are necessarily the cause. I think that's one of the things that I
1:24:26
see is like people they talk about how modernity is the problem, but they
1:24:31
do this on the internet, in live streams, in podcasts, so it's
1:24:36
like, no, you're using modernity to make the claims that's not the problem.
1:24:42
The existence of stuff is not the problem. No, right, it's
1:24:46
it's a it is no, It's okay. It. I think that there
1:24:50
is there is a community has almost disintegrated. I don't think the Internet did
1:24:58
that. I think that the destruction of families did that. I think that
1:25:03
and men's spaces, men cooperative men's spaces, men's fraternity mentorship, men's ability
1:25:13
to create community has been severely curtailed. Yes, sorry, guys, I
1:25:16
forgot to get close like this. I apologize. So I said that men's
1:25:20
community ability to create communities through their cooperative efforts with each other has been severely
1:25:26
curtailed. It's been relegated to games, when usually all of that would have
1:25:30
been building the community around them, you know, taking part in Shriners and
1:25:36
other clubs, and you know, charity efforts and all of that other stuff.
1:25:41
They would have been a structure for the community. These men that the
1:25:45
men going out and you know, being friends. It's like the King of
1:25:49
Kensington, if you've ever watched that, he goes out and he's part of
1:25:51
all kinds of different people and you know that kind of thing. Yeah,
1:25:56
and that's that. Men aren't allowed to do that anymore. They don't do
1:26:00
that anymore, and we are poorer for it. We don't have the community
1:26:02
that we used to have, which means we don't have the meaning and purpose
1:26:05
we used to have. So that's my thought. Let's continue though, I
1:26:11
think all right, yep. I always think of that thing of like there's
1:26:15
no such thing as a baby. There's a baby and a mother. There's
1:26:20
a baby and a father, baby and an auntie, but there's no such
1:26:24
thing as about because a baby on its own isn't anything. It's dead,
1:26:28
it needs taken care of. We're all still babies. We all need the
1:26:32
connections yourself. Yeah, sure, there's a lot of yourself that's that's within
1:26:38
you, but a lot of it is out in the world. It's connected
1:26:41
to other people and it kind of immediates who you think you are, and
1:26:45
that's you know, that's that's slightly missing from society where you kind of live
1:26:49
online and you're kind of a self authored thing. You're just on the computer
1:26:54
on the screen. And yeah, I would say that that's true. In
1:27:00
the last few years, without getting specific, did not help, especially when
1:27:08
it comes to isolating and atomizing young people children, teenagers. Uh yeah,
1:27:15
I mean, but I think I think that the situation that young men find
1:27:21
themselves in it's not desirable. I think that if they could, like you
1:27:28
know, hang out with friends in a group setting with other boys, I
1:27:32
think they would, they would, they would a clubhouse. Boy, yeah,
1:27:39
it was a treehouse. I never had a tree house as a kid
1:27:43
because my family is super well just building stuff together, building maintaining a community,
1:27:48
like doing stuff like that. But that's available anymore, no, because
1:27:53
men can't. I mean, you can't even have the Boy Scouts. Well
1:27:57
everything's built in many places, that's true, but I mean, yeah,
1:28:01
you can't even have the Boy Scouts because they have any of it, Like
1:28:03
yeah, no fraternity, I mean, like there's no there is no place
1:28:09
left where men can just be or young men can just be with each other,
1:28:13
locker rooms, sports teams, oys clubs, oy scouts. We're aiming
1:28:19
for a certain amount of time. Yeah, we should end it here right,
1:28:24
No, no, okay, we probably should finish the time codes.
1:28:27
Don't say the word all of them. There's only like one minute after this
1:28:31
timecode is over. Okay, you're not connected and you're not taking risks taking
1:28:39
misks. This time code is like, is this in almost two Minutesism and
1:28:44
agnosticism, I think we Oh, there's an interesting query. Okay, uh
1:28:50
yes, I think so, and I know it's going to piss people off.
1:28:53
Let me read it. I got a super chat, I super some
1:28:56
super chowds and super chats real quick. I'm gonna read them. So.
1:28:59
Richard Bierre gives us five bucks and says this seems rather similar to the shoe
1:29:01
video with the complaints from women. Thank you Richard for that super chow and
1:29:09
then I got uh wait to two super chats from Albert Nata Retro gives a
1:29:14
two dollars Canadian says, the Asian girl in that video game has a good
1:29:17
butt. You some ostellar blade. I agree, although I like the artist.
1:29:20
I've seen the artist work before, and then he says, as for
1:29:24
the catch up, thing Hannah can explain two dollars Canadian. Thank you,
1:29:27
I'm not gonna ask, and then he says again for two dollars Canadian.
1:29:30
Lastly, thanks for the backup on Facebook, Brian. No, it's okay,
1:29:34
I just I don't want to get into it, but there is the
1:29:39
Rambo. Rambo is an interesting movie because the story doesn't it doesn't make sense
1:29:44
in the way that it's presented. But anyway, Okay, that's all the
1:29:49
super chow. So let's let's hear about this. We both me and you
1:29:53
lost our sort of religious faith around the same age, thanks of early twenties.
1:29:59
I think it's a weird thing where you go you can lose your I
1:30:01
certainly don't believe in the stories. There's two types of fools, right,
1:30:04
there's people that take religion literally and there's people that think it has no value.
1:30:09
Okay, let's just pause there for the banana. Okay. I want
1:30:13
him to conclude his thought before we add our two cents, so sure,
1:30:17
yeah, all right, I'm gonna let him finish. Okay, both both
1:30:20
idiots for different reasons. Like it works as a thing religion, I quite
1:30:26
I miss it because the reason the ceremony works. Isn't because God's pleased.
1:30:30
It's because the people came together. And so I think we look for things
1:30:32
that are proxies for religion. And sometimes that's good football. It could be
1:30:40
environmentalism, you know, because you go, well, I need something,
1:30:43
I need purpose in my life. I need to pause for the butt.
1:30:45
Okay, So I wonder how far he's going to conclude we look for things
1:30:48
related to relig there's like another there. Yeah, there's a minute minute,
1:30:53
so he might he might get there, you know, like he's he's skirting,
1:30:57
he's skirting the whole. Well, I'll I'll give him another thirty seconds.
1:31:01
I feel like, let him cook. And what a great cause.
1:31:04
I'm going to save the planet. It's a big thing to think about it.
1:31:08
It's got a religiosity to it. But I don't think that's the you
1:31:12
know, I don't think that's necessarily the answer. You know, some people
1:31:15
do it with politics. I think politics is gonna it's going to be heaven.
1:31:17
They're gonna they're gonna come up with some perfect system. I think you're
1:31:21
putting too much pressure on politics. Okay, I'm pausing again for the banana.
1:31:27
I'm not gonna say anything yet he's you know, you think he's.
1:31:30
I mean, I don't know. Maybe maybe that'st time I've ever said this.
1:31:33
Actually, but when you just said I think, well, I don't
1:31:36
know. It depends on what we mean by get okay, I mean I
1:31:40
have my I have my EI initiatives. The all of that is. Oh
1:31:47
no, I just I don't think so. I don't think so, but
1:31:50
he kind of does when he says environmentalism, because it is essentially environmentalism as
1:31:58
a religion is basically saying God will not he can't do anything because he's not
1:32:03
real, but I am so I will. It's like I'm going to create
1:32:06
heaven on earth. Government is the same thing. Literally, Communism is worship
1:32:11
of the government. The state is God. That's what it is. You
1:32:15
can't convince me otherwise. Just look at North Korea. What is kim Jong
1:32:18
Un if not you know, God on earth made flesh to the people who
1:32:24
live there, or Jijingping, which is basically very similar. So all right,
1:32:29
let me let's play the rest of this. I miss religion. I
1:32:30
think I miss religion. It's nice, wasn't it a lovely thoughts? Well,
1:32:34
when you lose someone that you love very much. It's a lovely thoot.
1:32:39
I mean, heaven is just it's a lovely thoot. And I think
1:32:41
in a way in our culture, fame and fortune has replaced heaven. It's
1:32:46
the land of Lompney and where you can yeah, yeah, like you all,
1:32:50
let me finish. Everything's okay, okay. This is really interesting because
1:33:00
fame and fortune is often what societies that are highly militaristic, like are highly
1:33:10
warrior based, are based around the idea of death, like Viking society,
1:33:15
Samuraiz society. This idea that men need to be at any moment be willing
1:33:20
to sacrifice their lives, and they have this the seeking of immortality through fame
1:33:29
through and that's why one of the things is like poetry, you know,
1:33:33
you want to have your name written in the sagas so that you achieve immortality,
1:33:39
sure like Achilles, right, yeah, immortality, it's yours. Yeah,
1:33:44
it just occurred to me when he was saying that. And it's interesting
1:33:48
that our society has gone from people achieving immortality through developing, developing prosperity,
1:34:00
developing a place for people to live, a home, family, to fame
1:34:08
mm hmm, you know. And that's uh, that's interesting. Mm hmm.
1:34:12
Maybe the next step is that we're all gonna start to become quite violent.
1:34:16
I don't know, who knows, who knows? Okay, uh,
1:34:20
let me finish off this clip or not sure, Let's let's get done.
1:34:25
Everything's taken care of and it is good. But it's it's not it's not
1:34:31
heaven. I don't believe in an afterlife. I believe in the next life.
1:34:35
Maybe I don't think anything happens after you die, but I think you
1:34:39
can have a next A very different line, huh. Well, maybe the
1:34:44
belief in heaven is about reducing utopianism or the behaviors around utopianism on earth,
1:34:50
because if you look at it in a utilitarian yeah, and if you look
1:34:55
at it in a utilitarian way, then it will It would be a very
1:34:59
good counter because like all of the like Soviet Russia started like as a byproduct
1:35:11
of this kind of like secular atheist humanists, these intellectual movements came out of
1:35:17
the Enlightenment and so on, and I think it was about essentially like,
1:35:24
well, there's nothing after this life, so why don't we make this life
1:35:27
the best life? And hence communism, the Soviet Union, Ulshavism, whatever,
1:35:31
you want to call it, and all the deaths that came after it.
1:35:36
But what I what I thought was interesting was he said, he said
1:35:41
that when we were religious, people came together because they all believed in the
1:35:48
same God, right, and they would form community around that, and they
1:35:54
would go to church together, and they would share things together, and they
1:35:57
would have this this whole community built under this belief. I mean, I'm
1:36:03
saying, obviously it's not the only thing, but it's like a big part
1:36:06
of it. Who's to say that's not God acting though, Like, who's
1:36:11
to say that that isn't God acting in the world. When we all come
1:36:15
together and we all move in the same direction, then we form bonds based
1:36:18
on that. I'm I'm not evangelizing. I'm just saying, like, when
1:36:23
you look at it, especially in the UK, which has become like way
1:36:28
more secular than the US, they're being invaded by people who are religiously driven,
1:36:34
and they are connected, and they are forming community together, and they're
1:36:39
very protective of each other, and they have a very strong faith. And
1:36:45
the people, the residents, the English, the native population is weakened by
1:36:49
that because they don't have that, because it is largely secular and so I
1:36:55
mean, believe what you want to believe. I'm not telling people to believe
1:36:58
in God. I'm just saying the people who do believe are doing better than
1:37:03
the ones who are adamized, right, And so, like when Jimmy Carr
1:37:06
says, I do miss it, it reminds me of Richard Dawkins when he
1:37:10
was you know he talked about recently when he was like, you know,
1:37:13
he was like one of the big four horsemen. He was like, you
1:37:15
know, I didn't mind when Britain was Christian because we had all of this
1:37:21
beauty and this art. And frankly, I liked living under a Christian society
1:37:28
more than what could become on wh what is looking like an Islamic society.
1:37:34
And so it's like almost like the will of human beings and the drive they
1:37:43
have is is a force that most Western people are not prepared for. If
1:37:53
they're not, if they don't have something to meet that force at equal measure.
1:37:58
And I think that that's what That's what Christianity does. I mean,
1:38:03
like just like any other although the really only two to compare is Christianity and
1:38:09
Islam because without going into it too much, Judaism is interesting because it's the
1:38:13
only exclusive religion. It's not. It doesn't that you don't convert easily.
1:38:17
It's very hard to get into that club. But when it comes to Christianity
1:38:21
and Islam, they're they're always looking for new people. So anyway, I
1:38:26
don't know. I'm just saying, if we were doing really well under Christianity
1:38:30
and you miss it, maybe there was something to it, is what I'm
1:38:32
saying. So should we end it there? Because it's been an hour and
1:38:36
forty minutes now and I know that we're we're trying this new riversard the riverside
1:38:42
thing. Are you there? Just that we were almost done? Just one
1:38:45
more all right? All right? Yeah, So it's interesting you're at this
1:38:48
point of your life when you're thinking about, mom, we might start a
1:38:50
family. The whole other life, it's a whole other You'll hardly recognize yourself.
1:38:57
You and your partner will be saying, what do we do? What
1:39:00
do we do? All day? Now? We're not a pepper pig world
1:39:02
or wherever you find yourselves. All right, that's it. That's the end
1:39:08
of that that sound clip. I think Okay, twenty seven two, well,
1:39:15
yeah, thirty three, twenty five, yeah, we're done that.
1:39:18
It's really yeah, that that Oh do you want me to jump? Okay?
1:39:21
Three and nine twelve, Jesus, this better be good. Whoever sent
1:39:27
this to us, I better have my mind blown by this. This is
1:39:33
kind of a long clip too. So many, so many entrepreneurs are old
1:39:38
hippies. I think it's Steve Job's he was an old hippie. Yeah,
1:39:42
you know. And it's interesting. I think that thing of like what does
1:39:45
business teach people? Like we're talking about like young men and kind of there's
1:39:48
a bit of a crisis going on out there with young men. And listen,
1:39:51
young women are not having an easy time either. But it's that thing
1:39:55
of like the suicide rate whatever is horrific with young men. You go,
1:40:00
well, what's going on? And it's agency. I don't think we're giving
1:40:03
young people enough agency so they don't feel like they have they have control.
1:40:10
Well, go ahead, maybe we could stop telling young men that they're oppressive
1:40:16
and making them take responsibility for violence against women when they also experience violence from
1:40:21
women, like we don't give them enough agency. Okay, Well, let's
1:40:29
let's see where he goes with this, all right, And really I think
1:40:32
nothing of like serial entrepreneurs, Like no one ever seems to hit on their
1:40:36
first company, but it's the second, and third and fourth, and but
1:40:40
they just keep going. They go, well, I'm never going to work
1:40:42
for anyone. I'm going to do it myself. That's kind of I don't
1:40:45
think we're teaching enough of that. It's a weird thin becas like teaching someone
1:40:48
to be a self starter is kind of a contradiction in terms, but it's
1:40:53
it kind of works, right. There's I think we're teaching the wrong things.
1:40:56
I've got a theory. I think I'm going to start teaching st up
1:40:59
here for the banana. Yeah. Yeah, we're not teaching independence. Why
1:41:03
would we be, consider how our our financial system is set up and and
1:41:12
how destructive the certain thing that happened like four years There's there's no incentive from
1:41:17
the top to do that, that's for sure. I mean. But like
1:41:24
again, like men want to be independent, but what do they model that
1:41:27
after? It's like we come back to the same thing. And also what's
1:41:30
the point Like why would men build anything if it's not going to attract a
1:41:38
mate? Well, why would you build anything in a system that is hell
1:41:43
bent on destroying itself? Yeah, but let's let's uh, let's all right,
1:41:47
we can get this done. Okay. So comedy is very new.
1:41:54
Really, you could trace its roots back to George Colin and Richard Pryor in
1:41:57
the early seventies as like one on stage in a big theater and he's selling
1:42:01
tickets and people are just seeing him. Right, So now you can trace
1:42:03
it back to the dawn of time. But really the modern stand up early
1:42:09
seventies is a good, good starting point, all right, just pausing for
1:42:13
the banana. Also, George Carlin is really overrated, not that funny,
1:42:18
kind of like the original redditor. Honestly, George Carlin was the original redditor.
1:42:23
But uh yeah, I like, I like, there's very new,
1:42:27
like Richard Pryor music and film, right, it's very new. So I
1:42:30
sort of view George Calin and Richard Pryor's they're John the Baptist, right,
1:42:34
and and Jesus isn't here yet, and it's this new evolving medium. And
1:42:40
unlike music, we don't have a language yet, so we need a language
1:42:45
of like, okay, what are the joke types? And how could you
1:42:46
how do you how do you write that down? How do you configure it?
1:42:48
There's too much magical thinking around stand up comedy. Okay, you're talking
1:42:53
about his craft now. But here's the thing though, like yes, yeah,
1:42:58
Like the problem is. The problem is is that in order to be
1:43:02
a successful comedian, Jimmy, you have to be free to say whatever you
1:43:08
want. And we don't live in that world. We live in a world
1:43:12
that is essentially policed by women and women's sensibilities always. No, honestly,
1:43:16
I know, I know, but it's it is. But at least there
1:43:19
was some release in the past, and I think that that is all but
1:43:24
completely choked out now. Of course, what I would teach men is the
1:43:27
courage to say I don't care and I'm just gonna say what I want to
1:43:30
anyway, because really, if you just say what you feel and you don't
1:43:35
care, they might try to cancel you. But you don't have to be
1:43:40
I think that you can still persevere. And I've seen it, and I
1:43:43
think more and more people are doing it. They're realizing that that ideology is
1:43:49
corrupted a lot, and there's no point. Yes, and you're gonna get
1:43:54
You're gonna find support. I mean, you can build your own thing.
1:43:57
There's never been a better time to do that. They're realizing that. Then
1:44:00
here's the thing that I would say. You either oppose the ideology at its
1:44:06
source, which is men oppressed women, which justifies everything that falls out of
1:44:12
that, like men oppressed women, and then all the other stuff that goes
1:44:15
on that sort of gets tacked on with that. You either deny it.
1:44:19
You either refuse it at its root, or you live with the eventual corruption
1:44:26
of everything you love. M h. You say, begone Satan at the
1:44:30
door, or you invite him in for tea and eventually he's, you know,
1:44:34
shoving his balls in your face and drinking out of your toilet. You
1:44:40
know whatever. Yeah, Okay, let's where's We're so close? We're so
1:44:45
close? You know the idea that I just I just came up with it,
1:44:48
it's just, yeah, I just but actually learning how jokes work and
1:44:54
systematizing and analyzing them I think really helps. So I've been working on a
1:44:59
book with Amanda Baker, who helped me on my first book. We've been
1:45:02
working in a different direction. I think, well, this is a time
1:45:05
code we got, so I'm just going to play it through. Think together.
1:45:09
For the last couple of years trying to teach comedy and I think I
1:45:12
think there's a real benefit to it, because if you think about music in
1:45:15
schools, right, we'd all argue learning music's great. It's a great idea.
1:45:18
Teach kid the piano grade three. They learned something about music and then
1:45:21
appreciate music much more in life. I think comedy is much more relevant.
1:45:25
Right, What does comedy teach you? Right? It teaches you you well,
1:45:29
I guess it teaches you timing and wit, how to surprise people with
1:45:36
your words. I mean, I think that I think that learning comedy is
1:45:40
good for attracting women if they have a sense of humor, and also is
1:45:45
good for rooting out the bad eggs too, because if a woman can't take
1:45:47
a joke, well get the fuck out of there, you know. All
1:45:50
right, So there is that, yeah, stretch friends, All right,
1:45:54
this is the last list. You learn to kind of you find yourself and
1:45:58
you find your voice, and you learn to communicate your ideas and to order
1:46:00
them and write them down and to communicate. It's very valuable. Like the
1:46:06
great tragedy of life is most people live and die and never hear their own
1:46:11
voice. Is that a tragedy? I don't particularly like my own voice,
1:46:16
but okay, I could have lived my whole life without hearing my own voice.
1:46:24
I don't think anyone likes the sound of their own voice. Yeah,
1:46:28
okay, that I say, I don't know about that. There are people
1:46:30
who definitely like the sound of their own voice. There are, but I'm
1:46:32
not one of them. No, I'm right there with you. All right.
1:46:36
Well, that was definitely an interesting turn. I'm sure that this is
1:46:41
worth you know, I think he has a good point. Positive let's make
1:46:46
because you agreed. You said that comedy is probably a good good thing for
1:46:50
young men to learn, because you know, it does well. It's a
1:46:55
good way to cope with suffering. It's a good way to make friends,
1:47:00
and it's a good way to root out women who have no sense of humor.
1:47:03
Yes, which is most of them. Take my wife please? No
1:47:14
not I love my wife. Oh man. Yeah. But you know,
1:47:17
like to end it on a positive note, I mean, yes, that
1:47:20
that is sort of a like sometimes I think we get into like a really
1:47:26
kind of depressing spiral with recognizing that men are not the problem. But then
1:47:31
you get into this situation where there's so much stuff that you can't really do
1:47:38
anything about except say, hey, this is not fair. Right, mm
1:47:42
hmm. So it's nice to just have something where you know this, this
1:47:45
could be something you could pursue. It could enhance your attractiveness to women if
1:47:49
that's what you want to do. Not necessary, that's not your only worth.
1:47:54
But if it's something that you're interested and plus you become funny, like
1:47:57
you learn timing, So there you go. It's it's something you could do.
1:48:02
I think that saying to young men that something like, oh, well
1:48:06
you don't have a relationship because you're not funny, it's not helpful. But
1:48:13
but you know, pursuing excellence is always a good thing. So there's a
1:48:16
positive note there. There you go. He's right about the comedy thing.
1:48:20
Of course, we could probably should defer to doctor Random or Kam on how
1:48:25
to teach comedy. Well he might he might say, oh, I can't
1:48:29
do that. I'm just I'm just funny. Yeah, I think he has
1:48:33
a funny bone and that's it. But he's got it. Well, he's
1:48:38
made videos on comedy in the past. But I mean we've talked about on
1:48:42
the show. Essentially in order to be funny, you have to have something
1:48:47
some experience with loss and tragedy because you use that so that you can make
1:48:54
light of things. You know, like when I got cancer of the testicle
1:48:58
and I got the ball removed, I was making jokes about it all the
1:49:00
time, because I mean it was I mean, I hate it that it
1:49:03
happened. But but but I was like, well, if I don't make
1:49:08
light of this, you know, like it's just gonna like control you.
1:49:11
Yeah, it'll control me. So you just make you just make fun of
1:49:13
it. So here if the man are used to be anyway, So and
1:49:21
that's you know, and that's and that's honestly why women are not funny because
1:49:25
they don't have as much tragedy in their life. They don't they use tragedy
1:49:30
to control others rather than Yeah, but they don't. But but their tragedy
1:49:33
isn't even like they're not they don't, but they haven't coped well enough with
1:49:39
it, so that there are some like early Eliza Schleschinger is great because she
1:49:45
uses her own uh femaleness to make fun of women. And so she jokes
1:49:51
about women's behavior and uses her own experience as the example. And it's great,
1:49:58
you know, like when she I'm freezing hot, that was her thing,
1:50:00
you know, like but and that was what she was good at.
1:50:03
It was really funny. And there was another one I saw on Twitter not
1:50:06
long ago that did it. Like it was like a little short clip where
1:50:10
she was like, you know what, I kind of want to find it
1:50:13
and like play it. I don't know if I can do that. Do
1:50:15
you want to end on that or should we just end it? You?
1:50:16
Like, I could probably find it because I think I know exactly what you're
1:50:19
talking about. She was like, we have it really hard, right,
1:50:23
guys, Like I shared it on my on my twit. You got it?
1:50:27
Well, I mean it'll take me a moment, but I'm pretty sure
1:50:30
I can. Yeah, Leonarda Jony is her name. You got to get
1:50:33
through all of the all of them. Yeah, I tagged you. I
1:50:35
tagged you in it. Yeah you did. Yeah, Yeah, I tagged
1:50:40
you in it. We'll go get it. Yeah, and then we'll going
1:50:43
to get Should I stop the recording anyways here? And then like we we'll
1:50:46
stop at the end. We'll stop it after we finished this. Although I'm
1:50:50
not sure if this, oh gosh, this is really really I'm in this
1:50:56
long argument with this feminist who's arguing that a cartoon depiction of a woman choking
1:51:01
a man doesn't depict violence. Okay, Oh I know that. Yeah,
1:51:05
yeah, yeah, just just this extended, stupid argument. I'm like,
1:51:11
no, this is fine. Yeah, it's just bounce that you're okay with?
1:51:15
And so I have to scroll through that and I found it friends,
1:51:19
So it's going to be shortly. There we go. I got the link
1:51:24
I am sending go for redoing. Yeah, I'm okay, Well, all
1:51:30
right, here we go. Argue that a depiction cartoon depiction of violence isn't
1:51:32
a depiction of violence, but apparently that works for feminists. So yeah,
1:51:38
all right, I'm gonna pause it. We'll make well, we'll end it
1:51:40
on this because I think this is hilarious. So let me share this tab
1:51:44
instead, and I'm gonna put it on the screen for you guys. This
1:51:47
is comedian Leonarda Leonarda Jony Expand what do you mean expand in the video?
1:51:55
No, I can't do that, you can't, Alison. If I do
1:51:59
that, it will fill my monitor and then it won't it'll look really awkward
1:52:04
in the obs, you see what I mean? Okay? Playing it in
1:52:09
general? R easy, shut. You have everything. We have everything we
1:52:15
ever wanted, and we're still not happy. I think we're the problem.
1:52:27
Funny because it's true. Yes, you know, I like how she just
1:52:31
like hooked them in. She was like, oh, it's so hard,
1:52:33
and all the women were like yeah, like they wanted to applaud that,
1:52:38
and she immediately shut it down. You know, it's got a grain of
1:52:43
truth, like, never have women gotten their way more than in this society,
1:52:47
and never have they complained more than in this society. So you know,
1:52:53
grain of truth. Okay, all right, I just so let's let
1:52:56
any thank yous to do and then we'll, oh, yes, I will
1:52:59
look and see if there's any thank yous. I know, all right,
1:53:01
G put through something last night, but I'm pretty sure maybe oh you know
1:53:06
what, and I wouldn't have been able to thank her because she doesn't have
1:53:11
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1:53:15
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1:53:20
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1:53:26
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