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Steve Price | 3 July · Steve Price

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  Speaker 1: Live.
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  Speaker 2: This is Steve Price.
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  Speaker 3: Hall.
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  Speaker 4: Good evening and welcome to the program.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Jamie Rogers filling in for Steve Price coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 5: The Victorian Liberal Party has canceled tonight's meeting to disendorse
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  Speaker 5: more redeeming following the MP's legal action. Has Labour's housing
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  Speaker 5: policy made it harder to get into the market. We'll
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  Speaker 5: look into where the first home buyers faced new risks
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  Speaker 5: despite government promises, and Labor promised a new era of transparency.
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  Speaker 5: Now it's being accused of using the courts to keep
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  Speaker 5: Australians in the dark. But first, if you want to pay, rise,
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  Speaker 5: earn it. That's how it works in most Australian workplaces,
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  Speaker 5: except it doesn't seem too In Canberra this week, negotiations
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  Speaker 5: began for a new enterprise agreement covering almost two hundred
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  Speaker 5: thousand Federal public servants. The union's wish list well a
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  Speaker 5: fifteen percent pay rise over three years, a trial of
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  Speaker 5: a four day working week, more annual LEAF, new categories
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  Speaker 5: of LEAF for disability, reproductive health, cultural purposes as well
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  Speaker 5: as gender affirming care. They're also demanding protections against artificial
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  Speaker 5: intelligence replacing workers, which is an odd request, because if
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  Speaker 5: you're arguing for a four day work week, don't be
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  Speaker 5: surprised if someone asks whether technology can cover that fifth day.
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  Speaker 5: Public Service Minister Katie Gallaher said this would deliver a
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  Speaker 5: fair consistent conditions for federal bureaucrats while supporting a strong,
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  Speaker 5: capable and modern public service.
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  Speaker 4: This next round of bargaining is.
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  Speaker 5: Another opportunity to build on the progress already made, continue
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  Speaker 5: improving commonality in pay and conditions, and support the APS
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  Speaker 5: to be the model employer it should be. Now before
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  Speaker 5: tax pay is are handed this bill, can someone just
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  Speaker 5: answer one question?
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  Speaker 4: Where are the KPIs?
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  Speaker 5: What happens when you don't do that? Because it's what
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  Speaker 5: every other workplace gets you to do. If you walk
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  Speaker 5: into your boss's office and ask for a pay rise,
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  Speaker 5: the first question is usually well what have you done
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  Speaker 5: to earn it? Have you increased productivity, improved performance, delivered
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  Speaker 5: better results? Yet somehow when it comes to Canberra's bureaucracy,
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  Speaker 5: those questions seem to disappear. AI Group Chief executive Innes
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  Speaker 5: Willocks has previously highlighted the flow on impacts of union requests.
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  Speaker 6: If the union's had their way, you know they'd say
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  Speaker 6: everything is an employer's fault when it comes to productivity,
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  Speaker 6: more tax on our exports, they want more pay for
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  Speaker 6: everyone without any return, and they want people to work less.
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  Speaker 6: You put all that together as a package, it's a
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  Speaker 6: pretty sober and somber picture for Australia and demonstrates a
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  Speaker 6: complete lack of knowledge around the pre the predicament we're
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  Speaker 6: in now.
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  Speaker 5: Let's be clear, many public servants work hard and perform
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  Speaker 5: important roles, but this is about a system that doesn't
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  Speaker 5: measure what it actually delivers. If you're asking Australians to
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  Speaker 5: fund another round of pay rises and workplace perks, surely
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  Speaker 5: you should first demonstrate better outcomes. The average Australian doesn't
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  Speaker 5: get to negotiate a four day working week while expecting
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  Speaker 5: the same pay. The average Australian doesn't get another week
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  Speaker 5: of leave simply because they ask nicely. They certainly don't
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  Speaker 5: get guaranteed protection from technology changing their job. They have
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  Speaker 5: to adapt or they risk being made redundant. So where
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  Speaker 5: does the unit expect this new money.
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  Speaker 4: To come from?
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  Speaker 5: The government's own budget haven't set aside extra funding for
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  Speaker 5: these wage demands.
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  Speaker 1: What this budget doesn't do is stop those redundancies and
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  Speaker 1: job cuts that.
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  Speaker 7: Are already in a range of agencies.
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  Speaker 1: And that's pretty disappointing because good news as well. In
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  Speaker 1: news budget for.
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  Speaker 5: The public sector, we've seen guaranteed to funding for three thousand.
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  Speaker 7: Additional services are strunning frontline staff.
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  Speaker 5: To continue, so three thousand to continue or departments have
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  Speaker 5: been told that they'll have to absorb any of these
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  Speaker 5: additional costs within their existing budgets. And we've heard that
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  Speaker 5: language before, absorb the costs. But the government doesn't magically
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  Speaker 5: absorb anything. Tax payers pay either through higher taxes, more borrowing,
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  Speaker 5: or reduced services somewhere else. That's the choice. And Australia
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  Speaker 5: has a productivity problem. The Reserve Bank has warned about it,
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  Speaker 5: business groups have warned about it, and so have economists.
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  Speaker 5: Yet instead of talking about lifting productivity, we're talking about
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  Speaker 5: working fewer days.
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  Speaker 4: Instead of talking.
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  Speaker 5: About measurable outcomes, we're talking about more leave, instead of
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  Speaker 5: talking about efficiency, talking about more entitlements. We've got the
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  Speaker 5: conversation completely backwards. Every dollar spent by government starts in
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  Speaker 5: the pocket of an Australian who went to work and
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  Speaker 5: paid their taxes. They deserve more than promises. They deserve performance,
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  Speaker 5: they deserve accountability, and until Canberra can provide that it's
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  Speaker 5: delivering both, taxpayers shouldn't be expected to keep writing blank checks. Well,
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  Speaker 5: it's been another challenging week for both sides of politics.
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  Speaker 5: Labor is facing growing questions over housing tax and the
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  Speaker 5: cost of living, while the Coalition continues to wrestle with
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  Speaker 5: its own identity. Let's bring in now former Liberal MP
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  Speaker 5: Jason Folinsky. Jason, it's great to see you in here.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you for coming in. Yes, well, I do actually
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  Speaker 5: want to start though with the news today in Victoria,
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  Speaker 5: and this is around more Redeeming's case that she took
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  Speaker 5: the Liberal Party president and to court and this was
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  Speaker 5: to pretty much stop a meeting tonight to disendorse her
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  Speaker 5: as a Liberal candidate so she couldn't run in November.
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  Speaker 4: What did you make about the.
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  Speaker 5: Overall situation but also the ruling that came out of
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  Speaker 5: the court today.
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  Speaker 8: Well, Moira's one of the more litigious members of Parliament
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  Speaker 8: in Australia, so I'll be careful what I say. The
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  Speaker 8: court ruling I find incredibly curious because injunctions are only
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  Speaker 8: meant to be provided where there is a harm that
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  Speaker 8: will be done that can't be undone. It's difficult to
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  Speaker 8: see in this instance where that would be the case.
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  Speaker 8: So Victoria is well known for having one of the
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  Speaker 8: most left wing judiciaries in Australia. Whether that played a
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  Speaker 8: part in this ruling, I don't know, but it is
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  Speaker 8: a low standard to get an injunction and she's fully
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  Speaker 8: within her rights to seek that in terms of what's
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  Speaker 8: happened here, Look, the Liberal Party is not going to
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  Speaker 8: get ahead until it stops talking to itself about itself
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  Speaker 8: and goes out there and starts.
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  Speaker 7: Talking to people.
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  Speaker 8: And unfortunately all of the stuff around Moyra Deeming going
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  Speaker 8: back two three years has been an example of us
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  Speaker 8: not really talking to the people, not fighting for the
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  Speaker 8: values that they need to get ahead in their lives,
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  Speaker 8: and us being more concerned about ourselves. So this whole episode,
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  Speaker 8: and I think Jess Wilson's been doing just such an
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  Speaker 8: incredible job in Victoria, has really been unhelpful. And the
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  Speaker 8: Victorian people need the people of Victoria need a change
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  Speaker 8: in government.
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  Speaker 5: This isn't helping and I think that is what's frustrating
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  Speaker 5: about the Liberals being in the headlines for the wrong reasons.
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  Speaker 5: Because Jess Wilson has been polling well, but she is
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  Speaker 5: the preferred premier option when you look at Jasinta Allen,
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  Speaker 5: who's now one of the most unpopular premiers in Australian history.
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  Speaker 5: While we are talking polling, it's hard not to talk
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  Speaker 5: about the Coalition and where they currently sit sort of
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  Speaker 5: hovering around that seventeen percent mark.
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  Speaker 4: What do you think it is?
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  Speaker 5: Why are the Liberals struggling so hard to cut through
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  Speaker 5: at the moment, especially at a time when the federal
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  Speaker 5: budget has been an absolute disaster. You would think this
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  Speaker 5: is the time that they would really be making their
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  Speaker 5: mark and having people coming back to them because.
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  Speaker 8: We're not reframing the debate. We're not standing up for
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  Speaker 8: things that actually matter to people. So politics is a
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  Speaker 8: debate between distribution and abundance.
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  Speaker 7: That is how you cut the pie up or.
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  Speaker 8: How you grow the pie, And we are constantly and
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  Speaker 8: consistently getting into this debate about I wouldn't cut the
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  Speaker 8: pie up that way. It's actually not the question. The
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  Speaker 8: answer is how do we grow the pie so everyone
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  Speaker 8: can have more? And we're not cutting through because we're
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  Speaker 8: not making that argument with clarity, with consistency. We're not
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  Speaker 8: doing it with courage and so we just fall back
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  Speaker 8: into distribution arguments. And on that front, the Labor Party
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  Speaker 8: is always going to be better at distribution. One nation
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  Speaker 8: is always going to be better at grievance. And that's
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  Speaker 8: why we're not cutting through and we're not And you know,
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  Speaker 8: if Australia ever needed policies around abundance, a party that
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  Speaker 8: would stand up for the future more than the past,
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  Speaker 8: it is right now, especially under this government. So the
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  Speaker 8: opportunity it is huge and we've just got to seizeon.
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  Speaker 5: Angus Taylor was asked about some of the things that
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  Speaker 5: need to change, and i'll play you his response.
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  Speaker 2: There's no question that there's been a breach of trust
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  Speaker 2: over time, Jamie, between the Coalition and the Australian people,
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  Speaker 2: and the breakups of the coalition obviously did not help.
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  Speaker 2: They heard and I heard that at the time we
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  Speaker 2: need to be unified, we need to be stable, and
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  Speaker 2: most importantly, we need to demonstrate to Australians that we
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  Speaker 2: have a strong plan and a strong united team.
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  Speaker 5: So obviously they're definitely that strong united team and that
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  Speaker 5: has certainly been making headlines in the past week or so.
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  Speaker 5: But what is it that you think that they should
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  Speaker 5: be focusing on. What should their strategy be for the
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  Speaker 5: next six months.
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  Speaker 7: We'll take all the tax tracks.
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  Speaker 8: Well, it should be about abundance, it should be about
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  Speaker 8: your future, your hope, your optimism is being taken away
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  Speaker 8: from you by a government that is hopelessly conflicted between
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  Speaker 8: public sector unions which we were talking about earlier today,
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  Speaker 8: industry super and class action lawyers. If you want a
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  Speaker 8: party that is actually going to stand up for you,
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  Speaker 8: for your family, for your community, then where your only choice.
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  Speaker 8: If we're not doing that, then you get the sort
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  Speaker 8: of results that you're talking about. And Angus is absolutely
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  Speaker 8: right and what he says, However, that's the past and
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  Speaker 8: we are the party of the future, and if we're
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  Speaker 8: not making those points, then that's problematic. And that's where
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  Speaker 8: that's the opportunity. And it's never as I said before,
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  Speaker 8: it's never been larger than it is now.
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  Speaker 5: Well, one of those opportunities would certainly be around housing,
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  Speaker 5: because new figures are showing that house prices are falling,
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  Speaker 5: home loan applications are down and borrowers are starting to
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  Speaker 5: turn to things like interest only loans.
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  Speaker 4: But at what point does this become a political liability?
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  Speaker 4: For labor because at.
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  Speaker 5: The moment they're dodging around in question time, they're not
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  Speaker 5: really ever answering anything that is thrown towards them. But
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  Speaker 5: at what point do they start to say, okay, this
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  Speaker 5: actually is a problem.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, and it's now and people will increasingly feel that
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  Speaker 8: right now. What this budget did was it didn't just
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  Speaker 8: take out a couple of rungs in the ladder of
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  Speaker 8: opportunity that already we're missing, a couple of rungs, just
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  Speaker 8: took the entire ladder away. So when they say this
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  Speaker 8: will help young Australians get in the housing.
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  Speaker 7: Market, they are lying to you.
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  Speaker 8: Who this helps is industry super who still have concessional
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  Speaker 8: tax arrangements. This helps class action lawyers who get even
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  Speaker 8: more regulations that they can pile on ordinary Australians who
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  Speaker 8: then have to pay for it. And it of course
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  Speaker 8: always seems to help the public sector unions who are
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  Speaker 8: their biggest donors. So all those problems put together and
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  Speaker 8: we're all missing out, and we need to be very
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  Speaker 8: clear and explaining that to people so they understand what
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  Speaker 8: is causing the problems that they're suffering at the moment.
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  Speaker 7: If we do that, which we can.
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  Speaker 8: I have very little doubt that a lot of people
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  Speaker 8: will support us because they see us as our as
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  Speaker 8: the best opportunity for getting ahead in life. And for
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  Speaker 8: that ladder of opportunity to be put.
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  Speaker 5: Back, I think that is one thing that the Labour's
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  Speaker 5: propped a lot of criticism for. And particularly look at
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  Speaker 5: Anthony Albineasi that has utilized negative gearing capital gains tax
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  Speaker 5: to build his own wealth and then he's like, well,
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  Speaker 5: I'm just going to pull up that ladder to make
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  Speaker 5: sure that no one else has the same opportunities as
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  Speaker 5: what I had. And one thing that I find quite
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  Speaker 5: baffling is they're taxing things on like shares, which a
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  Speaker 5: lot of young people actually tend to use to start
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  Speaker 5: building their wealth to be able to get into the
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  Speaker 5: property market.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think there's an.
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  Speaker 5: Element of them potentially not quite understanding the sheer volume and.
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  Speaker 4: Nature of what they have done, the flow on effect.
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  Speaker 8: They totally understand what they've done, because what they've done
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  Speaker 8: is is in some instances the effective tax rate on
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  Speaker 8: your share portfolio is seventy seven percent, but if you
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  Speaker 8: do it through an industry super fun run by their
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  Speaker 8: union mates, it's ten percent and so you can't buy house.
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  Speaker 8: But their whole plan is to get industry super to
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  Speaker 8: fund a whole bunch of bill to rent things.
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  Speaker 7: So you will.
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  Speaker 8: Literally be giving money to an industry super fund so
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  Speaker 8: you can rent a house or an apartment from them
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  Speaker 8: that you can't afford because they've got all your money,
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  Speaker 8: and they've got more money because their tax rates ten percent,
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  Speaker 8: but your effective tax rate is somewhere between fifty eight
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  Speaker 8: and seventy seven percent. Or they knew exactly what.
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  Speaker 7: They were doing.
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  Speaker 4: It seems like a bit of a mess.
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  Speaker 5: For Jason Flinsky, I appreciate your time tonight, Jane's for
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  Speaker 5: coming in well. One Nation's political momentum continues to grow,
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  Speaker 5: particularly in Victoria, where recent polling has the party ahead
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  Speaker 5: of both Labor and the Liberals, while Coalition front bencher
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  Speaker 5: Andrew Hasty has accused One Nation of running a campaign
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  Speaker 5: against him. Joining me now is One Nation Senator A
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  Speaker 5: Tyrone Witten. Tyrone, thank you for coming in on tonight.
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  Speaker 5: Let's start with Pauline Hansen. She has ruled out any
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  Speaker 5: suggestion of more redeeming actually coming over to One Nation.
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  Speaker 5: This is off the back of earlier reports where One
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  Speaker 5: Nation we're looking to poach her to come across.
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  Speaker 1: Just take a listen, you don't do that to you
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  Speaker 1: follow colleagues, And it tells me a person who's not
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  Speaker 1: prepared to admit that they got it wrong and bax
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  Speaker 1: away from it. You know's I want a person with
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  Speaker 1: integrity and honesty and I don't see that, and that's
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  Speaker 1: why I would not offer her a position with One Nation.
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  Speaker 5: Well, Pauline made her position pretty clear. What do you
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  Speaker 5: make of her comments?
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  Speaker 9: Look, Senator Hanson, as a leader of the party gets
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  Speaker 9: to make those calls. So we want people in the
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  Speaker 9: party that are proud, passionate Australians and you know, loyalty
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  Speaker 9: above all else for Pauline.
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  Speaker 7: So yeah, her comments are her comments.
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  Speaker 9: I think is very clear to everybody how she feels
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  Speaker 9: about the situation.
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  Speaker 5: And yeah, well let's stay in Victoria where recent polling
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  Speaker 5: shows One Nation is ahead of Labor and the Liberals.
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  Speaker 5: And I just find this so interesting because you don't
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  Speaker 5: have a Victorian leader, or any candidates or any policies.
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  Speaker 5: When are you going to start announcing some of these
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  Speaker 5: ahead of November?
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  Speaker 9: Well, there are policies being worked on, but obviously you
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  Speaker 9: don't release them too far out from an election, nobody does.
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  Speaker 9: I mean Labor and Liberal haven't released any of their policies.
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  Speaker 9: So yeah, that's part of the course as far as
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  Speaker 9: I'm concerned. But what we will we do when we
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  Speaker 9: release policies, they'll focus on the things that the people
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  Speaker 9: of Victoria are worried about, which costs of living, the
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  Speaker 9: housing crisis, the crime in Victoria, I mean, their debt.
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  Speaker 7: It's out of control.
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  Speaker 9: So the candidates we put forward, the policies we have,
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  Speaker 9: they will all be released in due course and in
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  Speaker 9: time for the election, and in time for the people
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  Speaker 9: of Victoria to get to know them and understand what
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  Speaker 9: they're going to represent.
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  Speaker 5: Let's turn our attention now to and you're hasty where
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  Speaker 5: he says One Nation is attacking m Take a listen
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  Speaker 5: to what he said on the Bolt Report last night.
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  Speaker 7: These attacks on you personally, bo One Nation. What's happening there?
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  Speaker 7: What's all that about?
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  Speaker 3: Do you think I think there's money behind it? I
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  Speaker 3: don't know about the source of that money, but certainly
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  Speaker 3: it's an area of reform, I think because we have
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  Speaker 3: transparency with political parties, but there are actors online who
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  Speaker 3: are advocating political causes and we know nothing about who
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  Speaker 3: is funding them and why. I had a call from
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  Speaker 3: a senior One Nation official who I won't name for
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  Speaker 3: legal reasons in the middle of April, who effectively told
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  Speaker 3: me that this was going to happen, and it was
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  Speaker 3: in response to some of the campaigning in Pharah, And
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  Speaker 3: sure enough a deluge of personal attacks followed online. So
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  Speaker 3: this wasn't a surprise to me. But there are consequences
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  Speaker 3: to this.
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  Speaker 5: What can you tell us about Andrew Hastey's allegations? Is
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  Speaker 5: One Nation running a campaign against him?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 7: Absolutely not.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, we are focused on the things Australians are
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  Speaker 9: focused on, cost of living, housing, paying your rent, food crisis.
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  Speaker 9: Food price is going through the roof, Electricity price is
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  Speaker 9: going through, Everything going through the roof. So yeah, I
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  Speaker 9: don't know. I don't know why he believes that. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: he made a couple of blunders and people that probably
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  Speaker 9: supported him turned on him pretty heavily.
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  Speaker 7: But there's nothing to do with One Nation.
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  Speaker 9: We are not focused on Andrew Hasey at all.
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  Speaker 5: Well, both you and Senator Sean Bell have questioned why
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  Speaker 5: the coalition does attack One Nation. In your opinion, how
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  Speaker 5: important is it to unite the right and ensure that
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  Speaker 5: you're all working together to defeat labor.
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  Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 9: One nation is united and we just keep focusing on
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  Speaker 9: those opposite and there are crazy vote for Sale Green's
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  Speaker 9: friends that just keep pushing awful legislation and through the
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  Speaker 9: Parliament and keep hurting Australians with cost of living. You know,
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  Speaker 9: they come out with the budget and said every Australian
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  Speaker 9: or you know, thirty million Australians are going to get.
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  Speaker 7: A tax break.
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  Speaker 9: Well it's five dollars a week, which yeah, great, but
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  Speaker 9: it's a cup of coffee a week. I mean, I
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  Speaker 9: think people are hurting more than that, and inflation is
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  Speaker 9: going to eat through that in no time.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're not wrong.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: There.
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: I will leave it for this evening. Thank you for
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: joining me, Welcome back. It's great to have your company.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: It's been another big week in politics, with fresh questions
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: about Australia's borders and the state of Victoria's major political parties.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: Joining me now is former Queensland Premier Campbell Newman Campbell,
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: it's great to see you. Let's start with the asylum
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: seekers from earlier in the week, the alleged people smugglers
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: face caught this morning and the rest of the group
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: were returned home. What does this tell you about our borders?
• 19:04
  Speaker 10: Great to be with the Jamie look at just is
• 19:07
  Speaker 10: a bit of a disturbing sort of incident that perhaps
• 19:11
  Speaker 10: suggests that there are people out there now trying to
• 19:15
  Speaker 10: get the sort of the gang back together and get
• 19:19
  Speaker 10: this whole illegal entry into Australia going again. The business
• 19:23
  Speaker 10: model is being resurrected. I hope that's not the case.
• 19:28
  Speaker 10: And it doesn't give me a lot of confidence with
• 19:30
  Speaker 10: some of the statements from labor politicians who seem to
• 19:34
  Speaker 10: be pretending that somehow they're tough on border control. I
• 19:37
  Speaker 10: mean they're not, and this incident could be sort of
• 19:43
  Speaker 10: a bit of an indication.
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: Of things to come.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: I'd love to get your thoughts on Defense Industry Minister
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: Pat Conroy, he's standing firm on those comments he made
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: yesterday at the National Press Club where he called Menzies
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: and nazi appeasa.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: Here he is this morning on the Today Show.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Like to say sorry for calling our longest serving prime
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: minister and nazi appiasa.
• 20:07
  Speaker 7: Absolutely not, Tom. It's a historical fact. In those remarks.
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: I made a simple fact.
• 20:12
  Speaker 9: He was had a policy of appeasement.
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: The Liverpool's argument isn't with me, it's with history.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: I mean Nick Kta was on the Bond Report earlier
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: and absolutely debunked all of those and gave a history lesson.
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: But should the minister apologize for those comments?
• 20:31
  Speaker 10: Well, I think he should because Menzies was a great
• 20:34
  Speaker 10: leader of this country who did so much to rebuild
• 20:38
  Speaker 10: the country after World War II and cent in place
• 20:42
  Speaker 10: the prosperity we enjoy today. But if it's history lessons
• 20:45
  Speaker 10: that the minister wants, I'll give you one. The union
• 20:48
  Speaker 10: that he's affiliated with. The CFMU during World War two
• 20:52
  Speaker 10: shamelessly let our country down by continually going on striking
• 20:57
  Speaker 10: the coal mines. In between nineteen forty two and nine
• 21:00
  Speaker 10: forty five, coal production Australia went down twenty percent, and
• 21:05
  Speaker 10: on the waterfront it was even worse, where there was
• 21:08
  Speaker 10: outright sabotage to the war effort. And meantime we had Curtain,
• 21:12
  Speaker 10: who's a labor legend, and everyone says what a great
• 21:15
  Speaker 10: wartime prime minister. Well, I would argue against the left
• 21:18
  Speaker 10: wing academics who've tried to sort of gloss over his
• 21:21
  Speaker 10: record that he didn't do enough during the war to
• 21:24
  Speaker 10: ensure that the unions behaved and they supported our troops,
• 21:28
  Speaker 10: men and women on the front lines. That was a
• 21:31
  Speaker 10: stab in the back during the World War II from
• 21:34
  Speaker 10: unions on the home front, waterfront and in the mining sector.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: And Pat Conroy did refer to Curtain a few times
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: and seemed to say that that was his idol and
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: loved reading all about his biographies. Let's turn our attention
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: now to Victoria. Premier just into Alan. Her approval rating
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: has just hit record those, especially in regional Victoria. It's
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: at minus sixty seven percent. Although what I have found
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: interesting and within this research is Deputy Premier Ben.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Carroll, who has seen as her replacement.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: Voters actually view him as the yes man that's been
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: complicit in the government's failures. And when you see this
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: feedback coming through from both of these leaders of potential leaders,
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: what does that say to you about Victorian labor. Where
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: is it leaving them?
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: Now?
• 22:23
  Speaker 10: Look, they're very much on the nose, as we all know,
• 22:27
  Speaker 10: and the Premiere could be on track to lose the
• 22:31
  Speaker 10: seat of Bendigo Est which he holds against a very
• 22:35
  Speaker 10: strong National Party contender. I think, obviously, well, I think
• 22:39
  Speaker 10: The big question here is how this all plays out
• 22:42
  Speaker 10: given the troubles and the Liberal Party which you were
• 22:44
  Speaker 10: talking about a few minutes ago, and of course the
• 22:48
  Speaker 10: Rise of One Nation now got the highest primary vote
• 22:52
  Speaker 10: in Victoria and that pole you're just showing. So that's
• 22:55
  Speaker 10: the only sort of well, that's the X factor about
• 22:57
  Speaker 10: how that comes together in election with preferences. But you've
• 23:01
  Speaker 10: got to think that the Labor Party finally are going
• 23:04
  Speaker 10: to be turfed out of office after so many years,
• 23:07
  Speaker 10: ten years of mismanagement.
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: I'm down in Melbourne tonight and.
• 23:12
  Speaker 10: Talking to people in the property sector which I work in,
• 23:14
  Speaker 10: and it's not a particularly impressive track record in terms
• 23:19
  Speaker 10: of what's happened to this state.
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: And the way that they've gone out of the way
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: to tax.
• 23:23
  Speaker 10: People who own property with the people who own homes,
• 23:27
  Speaker 10: second homes or people who own commercial property have certainly
• 23:31
  Speaker 10: created huge issues that will take a long time to repair.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: And I think Campbell, that's probably what the frustrating element
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: is for conservative voters is the state that Victoria is
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: currently in when it comes to crime and the debt
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: and all these different things that are coming up for
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: the Labor Party and unfortunately the Liberal Party is also
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: hurting as well, and they've today had to promise a
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: court that they'll hold off a vote to disendorse.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: More Redeeming as a candidate for this she is election.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: But you see that and you think, gosh, these are
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: just not the headlines that the Liberal Party need right now.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 24:08
  Speaker 10: Look, I've been a pretty strong supporter of More Redeeming
• 24:12
  Speaker 10: on this network for some years now, but I have
• 24:15
  Speaker 10: been scratching my head about what's gone on on this
• 24:17
  Speaker 10: particular issue that she's made some claims and then it's
• 24:23
  Speaker 10: ended up in the public domain, and then she's refused
• 24:26
  Speaker 10: to apologize. I mean, who knows what's really gone on.
• 24:29
  Speaker 10: But this sort of sort of turmoil and the lead
• 24:34
  Speaker 10: up to this important state election is not doing them
• 24:38
  Speaker 10: any good at all. But I would say that there
• 24:40
  Speaker 10: needs to be a clear message to the community about
• 24:44
  Speaker 10: preferences in this election. If you don't like the Liberal
• 24:46
  Speaker 10: Party and you're voting for one nation, at least give
• 24:49
  Speaker 10: the Liberal Party your number two and vice versa.
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: That's I think the message that needs to be out there.
• 24:55
  Speaker 10: That way, we'll ensure that we get rid of this
• 24:58
  Speaker 10: terrible toxic labor government in Victoria and at least have
• 25:02
  Speaker 10: some sort of conservative government to take the state forward,
• 25:06
  Speaker 10: any sort of change.
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: Right now, Jamie, you've got.
• 25:08
  Speaker 10: A view as being positive people who are committed to
• 25:12
  Speaker 10: small business, small government, lower taxes, balanced budgets, trying to
• 25:17
  Speaker 10: actually end the corruption of the CFMU. Those are things
• 25:21
  Speaker 10: that I think Victorians now want to see.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: But cam well, just quickly before I let you go,
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: what do you make of one nation's rise in Victoria,
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: especially the fact that they don't have a leader, and
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: they have no policies and no candidates, yet they're now
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: dominating in the polls.
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: It is quite extraordinary.
• 25:38
  Speaker 10: But it's a reflection of what I was just saying
• 25:40
  Speaker 10: a moment ago about the turmoil in the Liberal party
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: and the way that sadly, I'm sorry liberals in Victoria.
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: You know, a lot of you are pretty left wing,
• 25:49
  Speaker 10: pretty woke by my standards. And again I see so
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: many liberal politicians, or so called liberal politicians from Victoria
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: who never talk about small business, about private enterprise, about
• 26:03
  Speaker 10: reward for effort, about low taxes, about small government, about
• 26:08
  Speaker 10: curtailing the overreach of bureaucrats. If they talked about these
• 26:12
  Speaker 10: things and stopped all these sort of internal squabbles. They'd
• 26:17
  Speaker 10: be much better positioned today.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: They certainly would. It gets very frustrating. Campbell, thanks for
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: your time tonight. Well it's time to bring in our
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: panel now, Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand and Gematan Nini
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: from GT Communications.
• 26:35
  Speaker 11: Great, I'm so happy to be here here tonight as well.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Quick start talking.
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: Well, Jemma, I'm actually going to get you to say,
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: because I do want to get your thoughts around the
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: more redeeming situations excellent and Liberal fighters it. We'll start
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: with some soft topics, but more so around with police
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: dismissing the assault allegations and Liberal leader Jess Wilson wanted
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: more to apologize. Do you think that was the What
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: she should have done is apologize and then just move on.
• 27:05
  Speaker 11: Okay, So the allegation that miss Deming made against Matthew
• 27:09
  Speaker 11: Guy is a serious allegation. It's a serious allegation. It
• 27:12
  Speaker 11: was investigated by the police and found to be baseless.
• 27:16
  Speaker 11: My advice would be get in a room, apologize, respect
• 27:21
  Speaker 11: your party leader.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: Also think take a step back.
• 27:24
  Speaker 11: It's a serious allegation to make without grounds, So that
• 27:28
  Speaker 11: may play out in another way for her.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 27:32
  Speaker 11: I don't actually see this as being bad for the
• 27:35
  Speaker 11: victorianly Well party. I see it as been bad for misdeeming,
• 27:38
  Speaker 11: particularly after Pauline Hansen came out and said I don't
• 27:41
  Speaker 11: want to I don't want to. I don't want someone
• 27:43
  Speaker 11: in temperate who you can't and I'm paraphrasing, obviously, I
• 27:47
  Speaker 11: don't want someone who can't apologize for their behavior except
• 27:50
  Speaker 11: when they're wrong, be collegiate.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: I feel like, well, put this way.
• 27:55
  Speaker 11: I've been reading a lot of comments to the effect
• 27:57
  Speaker 11: of I was supporting her with the pursuito factors as
• 28:00
  Speaker 11: I did. I thought that was just nonsense, absolute nonsense.
• 28:03
  Speaker 11: She's made a very serious allegation about a man that
• 28:07
  Speaker 11: is found to be baseless by the police who investigated it. Like,
• 28:11
  Speaker 11: I just don't see how doubling down can help, and
• 28:14
  Speaker 11: I don't support that personally. That's my view.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: And the tricky thing is Joe is then on the
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: other side of the spectrum Victorian labor or a basket case.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, actually, and so this is why Victoria has his.
• 28:28
  Speaker 12: Own cannability flavor's blowing it up. I think that's dysfunction.
• 28:34
  Speaker 12: You get a leader. Yeah, Look, I supported more Deeming's
• 28:38
  Speaker 12: right to express herself, and I didn't think the way
• 28:40
  Speaker 12: that she was accused of being an affiliate of neo
• 28:44
  Speaker 12: Nazis who crashed and how she was at I thought
• 28:47
  Speaker 12: that was really unfair, And like Jim, I defended her
• 28:50
  Speaker 12: right to express views that I thought could be expressed
• 28:53
  Speaker 12: freely in a liberal democracy and should have been tolerated
• 28:57
  Speaker 12: in the Liberal Party even if they weren't, you know,
• 28:59
  Speaker 12: the official party line. But I've got to say she
• 29:02
  Speaker 12: has absolutely blown herself up like a suicide bomber on
• 29:05
  Speaker 12: this one. She has she has made an absolutely completely
• 29:09
  Speaker 12: and utterly demonstrably false allegation of a very very serious thing.
• 29:15
  Speaker 12: I mean, accusing a man of headlocking a woman, placing
• 29:18
  Speaker 12: a woman in a headlock in public, no less, but
• 29:22
  Speaker 12: in any I mean, we know there is you know,
• 29:24
  Speaker 12: we've got domestic violence on the front page of our newspapers.
• 29:27
  Speaker 12: We've got it happening in you know, impoverished indigenous communities,
• 29:30
  Speaker 12: we've got happening behind closed doors in the suburbs. And
• 29:34
  Speaker 12: the idea that you would just completely, clearly completely make
• 29:37
  Speaker 12: something up because it has the CCTV footage and the
• 29:41
  Speaker 12: CoP's own verdict of it shows that there is absolutely
• 29:45
  Speaker 12: nothing to say. So this was this was false. This
• 29:48
  Speaker 12: is absolutely one hundred false. I don't think there's any
• 29:52
  Speaker 12: way that she unless she is dead, unless there is
• 29:55
  Speaker 12: unless she is suffering and I'm not saying this flippantly,
• 29:57
  Speaker 12: unless she has got serious mental health issues. I do
• 30:01
  Speaker 12: not understand how she could seriously believe that that is
• 30:04
  Speaker 12: what happened, and therefore seriously believed that she was telling
• 30:08
  Speaker 12: the truth when she made that complaint. And for a
• 30:10
  Speaker 12: man to be accused of that is a sickening thing.
• 30:14
  Speaker 12: And you see these allegations flying around, and you know,
• 30:18
  Speaker 12: she claims to be championing women. Ironically enough, that's how
• 30:21
  Speaker 12: she sort of got into hot water in the first place.
• 30:24
  Speaker 12: And now she's basically undermining the credibility of women who
• 30:29
  Speaker 12: make allegations of assault against men and make a joke
• 30:32
  Speaker 12: of it. Quite frankly, he tapped her on the shoulder
• 30:34
  Speaker 12: to make a joke about the music that was playing,
• 30:37
  Speaker 12: for the love of God, and then to turn that
• 30:39
  Speaker 12: into it.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: What a headlock was? I missed that, but she said.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: She did say that she didn't understand what a headlock was.
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: So when she said she was in a headlock, she
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: didn't realize what an actual I.
• 30:51
  Speaker 12: Mean, if she doesn't know what a headlock is, you know.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: Look.
• 30:56
  Speaker 11: And also the rush to the rush to litigation bothers me.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: That was just because of the timing.
• 31:01
  Speaker 11: No, no, no, I mean prior to that, there was his
• 31:03
  Speaker 11: com like, there was this, you know, a conversation around oil.
• 31:06
  Speaker 11: I'm you know, civil suit and this sort of stuff,
• 31:08
  Speaker 11: and it was just I actually don't think it reflects
• 31:10
  Speaker 11: badly on Jess Wilson at all. I think Jess Wilson
• 31:13
  Speaker 11: has handled it exceptionally well. She's been dealt a plate
• 31:17
  Speaker 11: of manure and she did the right thing. Police investigate,
• 31:21
  Speaker 11: not going to comment, Police cleared him, right, Okay, apologize.
• 31:25
  Speaker 11: She's handled it bloody wise.
• 31:27
  Speaker 12: I think the public perception is, actually, this is an
• 31:29
  Speaker 12: excuse in the Liberal party. Yeah, this is this is
• 31:32
  Speaker 12: someone being completely out of control.
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: Unfortunate because the headlines are being dominated by the wrong thing.
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: But one thing that I did see today Senator Jess Collins.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: Senator Jess Collins, she has been leading the Senate inquiry
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: into the sale of the defense asset. Yes, and some
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: wild stuff comes up throughout this and I stumbled across
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: this one today.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: Take a look.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: If I'm a combat engineer on a base and a
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: light bulb goes, what do I do?
• 32:01
  Speaker 13: You would log a job on service connect, which is
• 32:03
  Speaker 13: an app that we have, or on the internet, the
• 32:06
  Speaker 13: Defense Internet, and somebody would come out and change your
• 32:09
  Speaker 13: light bulb for you.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Somebody on base.
• 32:12
  Speaker 13: Yes they might not be permanently based on the base.
• 32:17
  Speaker 13: They might serve as a range of other sites. But yes,
• 32:20
  Speaker 13: somebody on base would come and change the light glob.
• 32:22
  Speaker 11: Why can't I change it myself?
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: If I am a combat engineer, why can't I change the.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: Light bulb myself?
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: Why do I have to go through that process? Where
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: would they buy the light bulb from? Where would they
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: store the light bulb?
• 32:37
  Speaker 13: Or the ordering of things like light bulbs?
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: How much does it cost to change the light bulb?
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: I couldn't tell you.
• 32:51
  Speaker 13: We don't price you know, individual activities down to that
• 32:56
  Speaker 13: level of detail.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: So I know that always long, but you can't can't
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: cut that. You needed to show that the full interaction.
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: But as Jess then says later, is look, I know
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: this question is silly, but you're here talking about spending
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: and costs, and you're not allowing an engineer on site
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: to change a light bulb.
• 33:13
  Speaker 12: I saw that video and I thought, oh my god,
• 33:15
  Speaker 12: this is like performance art. It is actually the best
• 33:19
  Speaker 12: best estimates performance I've ever seen in the way that scripted.
• 33:23
  Speaker 12: It was almost it was incredible. It was just absolutely
• 33:25
  Speaker 12: incredible and up here. But yeah, it is. It is beyond.
• 33:29
  Speaker 12: It is beyond I think anyone's comprehension. I think it's emblematic.
• 33:31
  Speaker 12: It is like Utypia. It's like a satire. It's I mean,
• 33:34
  Speaker 12: how many combat engines does it take to change a lot?
• 33:37
  Speaker 11: It's literally look on her face, she's like, like, what
• 33:40
  Speaker 11: do you mean? I have an arts degree, Jamie, I
• 33:42
  Speaker 11: can change light bulbs. Need to keep your light bulb
• 33:45
  Speaker 11: in the cupboard.
• 33:46
  Speaker 12: It's amazing.
• 33:47
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and you know what, I know where HMOs Penguin is.
• 33:49
  Speaker 11: For example. You can just duck down to coals, grab
• 33:52
  Speaker 11: a light bulb, whack it in the cupboard.
• 33:54
  Speaker 12: Yep, amazing. Sorry, where did you say you brought your
• 33:56
  Speaker 12: light bulb from coles? There there are shops sell light
• 34:00
  Speaker 12: bulb no way, because anyone can walk in.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 34:04
  Speaker 12: You don't have to have the authority, don't have to
• 34:05
  Speaker 12: have the app.
• 34:07
  Speaker 11: Imagine if you're the you know, the Chinese army. You're
• 34:09
  Speaker 11: looking at that kind. We can take it Australia by lunchtime.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: They waste time on light bulbs.
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: Now, when I saw this article, I don't know why
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: I thought of you, Joe, but that New South Wales
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: now has the most expensive parking fines in the country.
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: Not it's big here, one hundred and forty four dollars
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: if you overstay the parking meter. There's fifty different types
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: of parking fines you can get in your Southwest you say,
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: fifty fifty fifty different types, and it's more expensive than
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: in New York.
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah, this is so Sydney.
• 34:39
  Speaker 12: Like, this is Sydney siders will be secretly even though
• 34:41
  Speaker 12: they complain about it and swear about it and you know,
• 34:45
  Speaker 12: go to court to refuse pay parking fines, they'll also
• 34:48
  Speaker 12: be secretly proud. Yeah that's right, it would be. But yeah,
• 34:52
  Speaker 12: this is just bonkers. I have a real problem paying
• 34:54
  Speaker 12: for parking at the best of times. Yes, I am
• 34:56
  Speaker 12: one of those people. I feel like if I pay,
• 34:58
  Speaker 12: if I'm paying for park I've played the game and lost.
• 35:02
  Speaker 12: I feel like when it's me out there on the
• 35:05
  Speaker 12: roads in the urban jungle, you know, finding that parking
• 35:08
  Speaker 12: spot you don't have to pay for is just.
• 35:10
  Speaker 11: It's a big it's a big feeling of satisfaction.
• 35:12
  Speaker 12: And even then I'm never paying full freight, so I'm
• 35:16
  Speaker 12: always rolling the dice. It's always men, one man resistance,
• 35:19
  Speaker 12: me versus the rangers. You know where are they? For
• 35:22
  Speaker 12: a while, I would only park in like housing commission
• 35:24
  Speaker 12: flats because I thought that the ranger would be too
• 35:27
  Speaker 12: scared to hand out tickets.
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: There people on the culture.
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: This was why when I saw that article, I thought,
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: how would Joe dissect this the gemma before I let
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: you both go? Germany they've put in some new rules
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: around how to be more productive, and you now it's
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: on brand. You're sick for just one day, you have
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: to call up and get a doctor's note.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: You can't call in see anymore.
• 35:48
  Speaker 11: It's two days in Australia, doctor's note with two days.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: Well it's now on the day for Germany.
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: And this is just their way to say, hey, we're
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: lacking in productivity and falling behind.
• 35:58
  Speaker 11: Look another good way to do it would be like
• 36:00
  Speaker 11: addressing a myriad of other things that drive productivity, like
• 36:04
  Speaker 11: not proposing four day weeks, like the Australian Union movement
• 36:07
  Speaker 11: seems to be completely obsessed with. But look, I mean
• 36:10
  Speaker 11: I'm an employer as you know, and we have a
• 36:12
  Speaker 11: really high trust culture in our agency and I have
• 36:15
  Speaker 11: to say, hand on my heart, we've never really had
• 36:17
  Speaker 11: a problem with that. But you know, the Australian law
• 36:19
  Speaker 11: is two days and if someone's like we had someone
• 36:23
  Speaker 11: in the team obviously seek last week, like obviously full
• 36:27
  Speaker 11: of a cold like germified up the wad. So please
• 36:30
  Speaker 11: don't come in, Please don't come in and spread that.
• 36:33
  Speaker 11: I think it's a it's a balancing act. But go
• 36:35
  Speaker 11: the Germans.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: They've got to call something back, right And Joe, you
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: would never have a sick day.
• 36:39
  Speaker 12: I've never pick the world needs me too much.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: Well that is it from us tonight,