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Huddle Up | Draft Week Preview, Pick 56 Predictions, Trade Scenarios · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up.
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  Speaker 2: Huddle Up.
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars. Senior writer John Osher, NFL network analyst and former
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  Speaker 1: Jaguar Bucky Brooks, and senior reporter J. P. Shadwick bring
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  Speaker 1: you the latest on your Jacksonville Jaguars.
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  Speaker 3: Huddle Up starts right now. Welcome to another edition of
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  Speaker 3: Huddle Up, JP Shadick.
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  Speaker 4: John Oser from the Miller Electric Center at the Hundai Studios.
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  Speaker 4: Bucky Brooks with us in Los Angeles. Draft week is
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  Speaker 4: upon us. We are closing in on the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 4: six NFL Draft just hours away.
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  Speaker 3: Days away.
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  Speaker 4: Now, Bucky and the Jaguars have to wait another day
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  Speaker 4: because they don't have a first round pick.
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  Speaker 2: How are you look?
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  Speaker 5: I'm doing pretty well, Like this is the fun part
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  Speaker 5: of the year. I know John is excited about the
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  Speaker 5: draft and everything. I think there's the fascinating discussions that
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  Speaker 5: exist as we're coming with forty eight two hours away
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  Speaker 5: from the thing kicking off. They say that there's gonna
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  Speaker 5: be a lot of trades and a lot of movement.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm excited to see what happens when it kicks
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  Speaker 5: off on Thursday night.
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  Speaker 6: John, Don't they say that a lot of years though
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  Speaker 6: they usually say it.
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  Speaker 7: And what I'm wondering is, Bucky, there's Christmas in this
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  Speaker 7: right for you?
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  Speaker 6: Which do you prefer?
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  Speaker 2: Christmas? Guy? I mean Christmas. I mean the draft is
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  Speaker 2: my thing, but I mean I think.
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  Speaker 5: It's it's different now, right, Like I think it's it's
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  Speaker 5: a huge deal when you're connected directly to the team
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  Speaker 5: and you play a part in picking the players, like
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  Speaker 5: it is like the super Bowl when you're a scout,
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  Speaker 5: because you don't have a direct connection when you're in
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  Speaker 5: the scouting staff or whatever. Like you watch the games
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  Speaker 5: and you have a part of that, but it's not
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  Speaker 5: a direct relationship. The scoreboard doesn't happen for you until
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  Speaker 5: the draft, until you see guys perform down the road.
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  Speaker 5: The draft is a big deal. You're excited if you
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  Speaker 5: have guys from your area that are taken because you
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  Speaker 5: played a big part in making that happen.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, I would say I would offer the draft
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  Speaker 5: over Christmas to some degree.
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  Speaker 6: A scout, Wow, Yeah, And it's really true. It's really true.
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  Speaker 2: JP.
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  Speaker 6: You know a lot of the scouts.
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  Speaker 7: Uh And over the years I've gotten to know a
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  Speaker 7: lot of them in different teams. There really is sort
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  Speaker 7: of a disconnect because they're on the road. A lot
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  Speaker 7: of them are on the road. They watched the teams,
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  Speaker 7: and but there's not that there's a little bit of
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  Speaker 7: a disconnect in the fall because you might be on
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  Speaker 7: the West coast and your team plays down the East coast,
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  Speaker 7: and you might only see that team one time in person, right,
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  Speaker 7: and you haven't seen even your boss for a while.
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  Speaker 7: You're working remotely. So I have talked to scouts, Bucky,
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  Speaker 7: who do have that feeling that when they're in town
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  Speaker 7: for the draft and now they're a part of it's
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  Speaker 7: a cool thing.
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  Speaker 6: It's sort of in a side.
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  Speaker 7: It didn't have that much to do with what fans
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  Speaker 7: will see, but I get you feeling that way. I
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  Speaker 7: do have a question for the for the draft analyst.
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  Speaker 7: You mentioned Bucky the trades, and I'm sort of the
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  Speaker 7: same thing too, that you know, trades could be out
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  Speaker 7: of this world, but the dynamic of next year's draft
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  Speaker 7: being perceived is so good compared to this one. Do
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  Speaker 7: you think most of the trades will be contained in
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  Speaker 7: say twenty twenty six for twenty six or will because
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  Speaker 7: what you hear is a lot of people don't want
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  Speaker 7: any part of getting out of next year how much
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  Speaker 7: of a balance would it be.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there would be some balance.
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  Speaker 5: I think you'll see very early in the draft people
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  Speaker 5: are aggressively going after their guys. They don't want to
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  Speaker 5: give up capital that will help them next year. But
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  Speaker 5: because there's a clear drop off, like after you get
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  Speaker 5: past day two, there's gonna be a significant drop off
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  Speaker 5: in talent, and so people have pinpointed guys that they
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  Speaker 5: wanted and they're gonna move around the board to get
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  Speaker 5: those guys. Don't be surprised if you hear a bunch
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  Speaker 5: of teams auction off their picks on day three, because
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  Speaker 5: they may feel like it's not as deep as has
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  Speaker 5: been in other years, and I would rather give up
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  Speaker 5: a couple of picks to get someone that I really
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  Speaker 5: want early, or if I do have an opportunity to
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  Speaker 5: take in the trade where I can get extra capital
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  Speaker 5: next year, I'll use that to my benefit because next
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  Speaker 5: year's class certainly is regarded as a much deeper class
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  Speaker 5: and a more talented class at the top.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, we're gonna well before the end of this podcast today,
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  Speaker 4: we're going to get an official prediction from each of
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  Speaker 4: you guys on who the Jaguars will pick at fifty
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  Speaker 4: six and what a successful weekend would look like for
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  Speaker 4: the Jaguars after the draft.
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  Speaker 2: How about that?
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  Speaker 3: So think about it, John.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to. I don't want to get in trouble.
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  Speaker 3: What do you mean by that?
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to get in trouble in trouble. No,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to get in trouble when we make
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  Speaker 2: the predictions. I don't want to.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want Big Tony to come down at me
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  Speaker 5: if I say something I happen to be right and
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  Speaker 5: that goes out there.
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  Speaker 2: So I just don't want to be in trouble. So
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  Speaker 2: you're good. I want you. I just want you to
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  Speaker 2: write books.
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  Speaker 5: I just want you to write me a note when
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  Speaker 5: I have to go to the principal's office. If I
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  Speaker 5: get this right, I just I just want to make
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  Speaker 5: sure have an excuse.
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  Speaker 7: Your Becky Brook Tony worries about getting in trouble with you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's coming up in just a little bit, of course.
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  Speaker 4: community slash events. More in the draft coming up, of course,
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  Speaker 4: just a few days away now from this Huddle Up podcast. Well,
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  Speaker 4: also that this Monday, yesterday, I suppose today is Tuesday,
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  Speaker 4: the Jaguars off season program began and strength and conditioning started.
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  Speaker 4: The players reported back and we heard from a couple
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  Speaker 4: of players and of course the head coach Liam Code
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  Speaker 4: as well quarterback Trevor Lawrence starting his sixth season with
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  Speaker 4: the Jacksonville Jaguars, and having continuity in the coaching staff
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  Speaker 4: and the offense certainly goes a long way.
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  Speaker 8: I'd say the mental part of it too is not
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  Speaker 8: having to completely relearn a new system. That's a bonus
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  Speaker 8: as well, because you can really fine tune some of
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  Speaker 8: the things and you can get into more of the
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  Speaker 8: details instead of just trying to learn stuff for the
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  Speaker 8: first time.
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  Speaker 2: You're a lot further along.
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  Speaker 8: So starting today, I feel like, obviously we're a lot
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  Speaker 8: further ahead than we were last year and a lot
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  Speaker 8: of work to be done, and you know, we got
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  Speaker 8: to build a bunch of chemistry. We got new guys
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  Speaker 8: and there's a lot of guys to go up to speed.
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  Speaker 8: But as far as I think our core and guys
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  Speaker 8: that were here, the comfort level with the offense, with
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  Speaker 8: each other, the chemistry, all that stuff is a nice carryover.
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  Speaker 8: But you still got to go and like I said,
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  Speaker 8: put the work in this year.
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  Speaker 4: There's a balance there, right, John kind of yeah, you
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  Speaker 4: know what they did what they did last year, but
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  Speaker 4: there are things to improve the scheme itself.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 4: Liam Cohen talked about taking some things off the plate
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  Speaker 4: of the offense even and I mean we're a little
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  Speaker 4: bit early. It's two days in now to this offseason
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  Speaker 4: program strength and conditioning, but the meetings are there and this
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  Speaker 4: is where the foundation gets built for year two of
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  Speaker 4: this group.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, Bucky, I thought it was interesting when Liam was
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  Speaker 7: talking about he was asked about adding to the offense
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  Speaker 7: and improving it, and he immediately went to basically, you know,
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  Speaker 7: as a writer, I can start to relate to this.
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  Speaker 7: Editing it down. You know, sometimes it's better when you
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  Speaker 7: can get the verbiage out and just make things clearer
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  Speaker 7: and simpler when you're write. It sounds like very similar
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  Speaker 7: with the coaching staff that they are far more on
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  Speaker 7: the lines of let's figure out what we do well,
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  Speaker 7: let's lean into that. Let's get some of the stuff
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  Speaker 7: that we didn't feel like we did that well or
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  Speaker 7: didn't even want to get to, and just trim it down.
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  Speaker 7: And I think that's probably the advantage that they have
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  Speaker 7: more than anything of having seen their guys now, they
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  Speaker 7: know much more than this time last year what their
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  Speaker 7: guys can do well, and you can visualize it. Hey,
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  Speaker 7: let's have Bachelle Tooton do X y Z, rather than
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  Speaker 7: asking him to do this, because we know what he's
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  Speaker 7: good at.
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  Speaker 6: Let's lean into that.
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  Speaker 7: It's a little counterintuitive because, as the questioner said yesterday,
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  Speaker 7: the thought is you would add more and dress things up.
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  Speaker 7: But it sounds like they go the other way. And
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  Speaker 7: that makes sense to me.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, John, like having studied this thing for
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  Speaker 5: a long time, football like, there's some parallels to like
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  Speaker 5: restaurants in those things. And I don't know if Raisin
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  Speaker 5: Canes is raising canes out in Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 3: They don't have them here yet.
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  Speaker 6: It sounds like there's a bucketism, but I can't wait
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  Speaker 6: to hear.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, so we're talking about chick fil A then, because
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  Speaker 5: the chick fil A's everywhere. Okay, So chick fil A
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  Speaker 5: became really popular because everything is about the chickens sandwich
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  Speaker 5: and the things.
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  Speaker 2: That spring off of that.
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  Speaker 5: But they don't do burgers, they don't do all of
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  Speaker 5: this other stuff. Chick fil A doesn't do Pisa. They've
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  Speaker 5: been good for so long because they do everything around
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  Speaker 5: the chicken sandwich and they expand out from that. So
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  Speaker 5: what Liam is talking about is sometimes you can try
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  Speaker 5: and have a big menu with all these different options
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  Speaker 5: and all the varieties, and we want to service everybody,
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  Speaker 5: and you end up servicing nobody. Whereas when you pare
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  Speaker 5: it down, like you're talking about editing, you have a
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  Speaker 5: chance to get really, really good at what you do.
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  Speaker 5: And knowing that, I know your relationship with Tony Dungee,
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  Speaker 5: who learned from Chuck Nole, with the Stellers, they talk
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  Speaker 5: about man, just do simple better. So take the things
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  Speaker 5: that we do really well, and let's see if we
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  Speaker 5: can master those things. And even if the entire world
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  Speaker 5: knows that, Hey, when you play the Jacksonville Jaguars.
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  Speaker 2: This is what they run. You've seen over time.
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  Speaker 5: Our ability to execute it at a high level, because
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  Speaker 5: we know exactly what we're doing, matters more than trying
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  Speaker 5: to trick upon it. I think what Liam is getting
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  Speaker 5: at is trying to get to the point that we're
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  Speaker 5: masters of execution and it doesn't really matter what anyone
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  Speaker 5: else does.
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  Speaker 4: Does not need to be the Cheesecake Factory with twenty
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  Speaker 4: pages of absolutely not.
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  Speaker 6: My wife is still upset.
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  Speaker 7: The Chick fil A eliminated the chicken salad, which which yeah,
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  Speaker 7: is really all I could think about when you were
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  Speaker 7: going through whatever it is.
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  Speaker 5: You said, yeah, I mean, because the best way to
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  Speaker 5: do it, I would use the in and out example
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  Speaker 5: out here, because in and out in California.
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  Speaker 2: They burgers, fries, milkshit right, that's it.
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  Speaker 5: Not a lot of options, and you get really good
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  Speaker 5: at doing those things, and so for us, if we
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  Speaker 5: can get really good at a few things.
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  Speaker 2: It works well.
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  Speaker 5: You is always HARKing on your relationship with the Colts.
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  Speaker 5: You saw Peyton Manning and the Coats run five or
• 10:51
  Speaker 5: six plays over and over and over again, and they're
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  Speaker 5: one of the top scoring offenses despite everyone in the league,
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  Speaker 5: knowing what's coming at the end of the day, Man,
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  Speaker 5: it comes execution over tricky.
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  Speaker 2: Think Liam wants to get to that point.
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  Speaker 4: And then maybe you're throwing a flare an option here there.
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  Speaker 4: You don't chick filate us the pamento on top. Every
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  Speaker 4: once in a while, why not something different.
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  Speaker 7: I recall finally in college, I once had a mcpizza
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  Speaker 7: and but it seems like what you want to do,
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  Speaker 7: Bucky is you're saying as a head coach, no mcpizza.
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  Speaker 2: Pizza.
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  Speaker 6: So that's where we're at.
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  Speaker 2: We don't need a special rib to come.
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  Speaker 6: It's like.
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  Speaker 3: We're the McRib. That's what we're doing that week, bucket.
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  Speaker 6: The mcgrib's so good that what it is.
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  Speaker 4: Let's cut a defense out defensive Josh heinz Allen entering
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  Speaker 4: his eighth season in the league and yes, back to
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  Speaker 4: back years now with the same defensive coordinator and scheme.
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  Speaker 3: Does that put the group at ease at all?
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  Speaker 9: Hey, nobody to be I think we should still be
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  Speaker 9: you know, on our you know, we got to come
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  Speaker 9: in with the expectations of you know this, this is
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  Speaker 9: a business at the end of the day, and if
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  Speaker 9: you come in complacent then things are not going to
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  Speaker 9: end well for you. So for me, man, this is
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  Speaker 9: a day to day operation for me to come in
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  Speaker 9: and execute and be at a high level. Come in,
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  Speaker 9: you know, smile on my face always, but know that
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  Speaker 9: you know this job doesn't last forever, and take advantage
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  Speaker 9: of each moment.
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  Speaker 3: Ain't nobody at ease?
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  Speaker 2: John?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and Bucky. I think former player Bucky Brooks can
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  Speaker 6: address this.
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  Speaker 7: It's one thing I learned immediately when I went from
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  Speaker 7: newspapers to being inside buildings.
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  Speaker 6: I can recall first couple of years.
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  Speaker 7: Of the Colts walking through the locker room shortly after
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  Speaker 7: the season ended and some players had their stuff still
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  Speaker 7: there and known they'd be back. Peyton never did, always
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  Speaker 7: cleared everything out and brought everything back at OTAs. And
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  Speaker 7: the reason was it was a symbol. I'm assuming I
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  Speaker 7: never talked to him specifically, but it was it was
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  Speaker 7: a symbolic gesture of.
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  Speaker 6: He knew it started over.
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  Speaker 7: And Tony Dundeus talk about all the time, always would
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  Speaker 7: talk about, Hey, I don't know I'm coming back until
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  Speaker 7: the owner tells me I'm coming back. So there's I
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  Speaker 7: think the great ones and the people who approach this
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  Speaker 7: professionally know, it starts over every year, and what you
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  Speaker 7: did the past year doesn't really matter. When you hear
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  Speaker 7: veterans who have been around it a while, they usually
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  Speaker 7: talk in the tone that Josh did of Hey, you know,
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  Speaker 7: just because I was doing something on December tenth and
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  Speaker 7: talking to you guys, this thing changes fast, and if
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  Speaker 7: you're not focused and on point, you know, all of
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  Speaker 7: a sudden, you've wasted OTAs, You've wasted this time to prepare.
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  Speaker 7: So I think that mentality is maybe an important difference
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  Speaker 7: that maybe some fans would assume it is bucky, But
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  Speaker 7: to me, that's how veterans who are really folks and
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  Speaker 7: have long careers, that's how they approach it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think because we've been around the Jacks
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  Speaker 5: for a long time, and like Josh and Trevor and
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  Speaker 5: those things, you can really begin to feel the culture
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  Speaker 5: taken over when you hear the players utter the same
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  Speaker 5: things that the coaches talk about. And this in particular,
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  Speaker 5: hearing Josh say that, because I hadn't heard him say
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  Speaker 5: those things before. When they talk about it's a day
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  Speaker 5: to day operation. The hardest thing to do is to
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  Speaker 5: get people to make that shift to our process oriented
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  Speaker 5: approach as opposed to dealing with results. But the only
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  Speaker 5: way to focus on the process is literally you have
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  Speaker 5: to take it a day at a time, a step
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  Speaker 5: at a time in those things. So when he talks
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  Speaker 5: about that, it literally is this team taking on the
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  Speaker 5: habits that had been encouraged by the coaching staff when
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  Speaker 5: they talk about, hey, let's just put one foot in
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  Speaker 5: front of the other and see what it looks like
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  Speaker 5: at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 2: To me, I'm encouraged by that.
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  Speaker 5: I'm encouraged by the little clips where I saw the
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  Speaker 5: team working. You cannot assume because whatever you did last year,
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  Speaker 5: that next year you're gonna pick up where you left off.
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  Speaker 5: You got to build it all again and you got
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  Speaker 5: to hope that you can get similar results. But there's
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  Speaker 5: no guarantee even though you have the same team coming
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  Speaker 5: back in TACK.
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  Speaker 7: I also think JP and you were around it last
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  Speaker 7: year as much as I was part of this success,
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  Speaker 7: felt like when things started coming together during the season
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  Speaker 7: and it started clicking, and it felt like they had
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  Speaker 7: to work for that, and part of the energy around
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  Speaker 7: here to me always felt like as the team started
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  Speaker 7: gaining confidence and started realizing that they liked each other
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  Speaker 7: and that what.
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  Speaker 6: Was doing was working.
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  Speaker 7: There was a you could almost see the growth and
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  Speaker 7: the confidence grow in real time week to week, and
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  Speaker 7: I think Liam is very focused on recreating that dynamic
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  Speaker 7: and not having it stale.
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  Speaker 6: It felt fresh all last year. I guess what I'm
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  Speaker 6: getting too.
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  Speaker 7: Each week you'd sort of say they're getting better, they're
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  Speaker 7: better at this, they're better this. You can feel the
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  Speaker 7: players sort of grow in that too. And I think
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  Speaker 7: Liam very much once it is working, when he talks
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  Speaker 7: about relationships and having to continue build and find something
• 16:28
  Speaker 7: new in what's going on, I think he really is
• 16:31
  Speaker 7: focused on maintaining that energy that you feel in year one.
• 16:37
  Speaker 7: It's hard to feel it in year two because human
• 16:40
  Speaker 7: nature is you get a little comfortable. So I think
• 16:42
  Speaker 7: that's a lot of what he's talking about is, you know,
• 16:44
  Speaker 7: recreating the relationships, focus on relearning it. It's good to
• 16:49
  Speaker 7: hear players sort of buying into that. Like Bucky said,
• 16:51
  Speaker 7: they're saying it, they feel it. The more they can
• 16:54
  Speaker 7: keep that energy and keep it fresh, I think the
• 16:57
  Speaker 7: better for this franchise.
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's really important that you can't skip steps.
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: It's really easy when you have a level of success
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: to want to skip ahead and be like, oh, coach,
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: we got that, Like, let's get to D of the
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: equation as opposed to doing A B and C. And
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: to me, when I hear the team talk about that,
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: and even though you may accelerate through it a little
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: faster this time around, it's really important to go back
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: through the process.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: So we talk about Peyton Manning and Tony Dungee and
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: not assuming anything until you're told. You have to create that.
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: And if you can do that and really buy into
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: a today's the most important day that we have, it
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: gives us a chance to have the consistency that we want.
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: And I think when I hear Liam talk and I
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: hear people around the franchise talk, a goal for us
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: would be to consistently be in the conversation as a
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: title contender. You can't win it every year, but you
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: always want to be in that conversation. And if you're
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: able to do that more times than not, you're gonna
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: win a couple. And So if we can get to
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: that point where we can be insistent, we have a
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: chance and the stars by doing to get the right
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: things every day.
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: JP you're Joe Montana guy, right, he was great. Used
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: to hear stories about how Joe Montana on the first
• 18:11
  Speaker 7: if it was OTAs or training camp back then, but
• 18:14
  Speaker 7: on the first day, first meeting, taking prodigious notes on
• 18:20
  Speaker 7: the most basic play because he knew it was starting
• 18:23
  Speaker 7: over and he knew that you couldn't step, you couldn't
• 18:26
  Speaker 7: skip steps A, B and C. So I think that's
• 18:30
  Speaker 7: really the approach your guy.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: He's good.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: You met him first London game in against the forty
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: nine ers. We had a big event at Trafalgar Square
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: and he was.
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: White Park was there too.
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, the late great Dwight Clobe incredible nemembre passing him
• 18:45
  Speaker 7: and I said, hey, Dwight, nice catch.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Fun.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: No, it's time to take your season to the next level.
• 18:52
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• 18:56
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• 18:59
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  Speaker 4: We've come to the part of the podcast now where
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: we will see that no clearly not you look ahead
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: of the future and get some answers. First of all,
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: what is a successful weekend for the Jaguars after the
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty six NFL Draft. We'll get to the prediction
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: of the pick coming up, but what is success for
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: James Gladstone and company anybody.
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: I liked what Gladstone said about this at the intro
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: or not introuctor oppressor, but the pre draft presser and.
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: Laid it out pretty clearly.
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: After the top fift which they're outside of, you're not
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: really expecting franchised changing starter in year one. Some fans
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: emailed me sort of anger, Well, you should be looking
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: for a starter. All well, okay, it's great, you're always
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: hoping for a starter. But I think in light of that,
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: bucky what they want if they trade up out of
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: fifty six and into the first round or close to it,
• 20:29
  Speaker 7: Clearly they're going after a guy they believe can impact
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: something right away, whether that's starter or impact like starter,
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: Like if you go after Edge Rusher, I don't know
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: if he starts, but he'd be in that rotation where
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: you feel like a starter. But to me, if you
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: stay where you are, which is fifty six the one
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: second round pick, three thirds and a fourth, that's five
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: guys I think you want out of those five, you
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: want three or four to really matter for four years
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: and three of those guys developing. You know, I think
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: there'll be alignment in that bunch, But I think you
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: want guys that the franchise feels will push for starting
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: jobs in year two and make you feel secure in
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: year one that if somebody gets hurt, you have some options.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: I think it's important for the viewers of the listeners
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: to kind of understand.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: The way that grades and brown values assigned.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: It correlates with how you predict the players going to
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: progress over time. So first rounders are broken down in
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: this Top ten picks are expected to be Pro Bowl
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: caliber players, top two to three players in the league,
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: and a three year window later. First round picks are
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: expected to be immediate starters, impact players on your team
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: when you get into the second round Day two picks.
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: Your second rounders are expected to be eventual stars within
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: a year, so they may not start year one, but
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: the expectations by year two. If you're a second round pick,
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: you should be starting on our team when you get
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: to the third round. The third round is a mix
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: of that is maybe an eventual starter, a key contributor,
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: a valuable backup that in time they're going to start
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: year two, year three, that should be in the mix.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: So to judge the draft is to be able to
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: look at the team and to see on the depth
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: chart these guys are slowly progressing.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: They're in a position to achieve those goals.
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: And when you watch them mini camps, training camp, the
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: beginning of the season, they're in line to be what
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: we said they are. But yes, the day two picks
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: that we have this year, they need to be key
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: contributors as rookies and they need to be starters by
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: their second season.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of this too goes back to
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: just the recent, fairly recent history around here. Remember there
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: were drafts where third, fourth, fifth round players would start
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: immediately because the team wasn't as good, they didn't have
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: as deep of a depth chart.
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: You know, the one that comes to mind, remember A Sanders.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: That's exactly the one in my head right now.
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: Who fourth or fifth round, a fourth round pick.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: And but this is a different dynamic now because the
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: team's much better.
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and if if you've got the team really going
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: the way you want it to. There are certain guys
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: you pick in even round three. Why whyatt mylumb last year?
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: For example?
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, didn't start last year. Injuries early came into play.
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: But I'm not sure he starts even if he wasn't injured.
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: And that's what you want out of a lineman when
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: you take him in second or third round. If they
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: don't start as rookies, people want to say that means
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: that it's a bad pick, and quite the opposite might
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: be true. They might be developing exactly the way they
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: want to, And I kind of see it as a
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: good sign sometimes when rookies can't come in and start.
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: But it's hard to convince the viewer of that sometimes, buddy.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really hard to do that.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: And I would say this, there will be certain circumstances
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: that sometimes you'll have a later round pick that can
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: emerge as a starter. Sometimes that can be due to
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: a person being drafted, laid due to medical, a character
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: concerned where they weren't really valued as a late round pick.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: But those circumstances drop them down to board. However, if
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: it's a really good team, it should be a very
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: competitive situation that it's hard for young guys to play.
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: That said, what James and what Liam have talked about
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: is creating pathways for some of those guys to play
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: as young players, not having the pipeline clogged by a
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: bunch of stopgap veterans. But if you're good enough to play,
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: best players play, so you have a.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Competitive environment where look, if.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: I come out here and I do what I supposed
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: to do, I'm gonn get an opportunity to get on
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: the field, and what I make of that opportunity, ultimately
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: we determine whether I stand in the line up or not.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: That's what you want. But I think going into year two,
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: we've set the table for doing some of those things where, hey,
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: these young guys are gonna have a tough time getting
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: on the field, but these second round and third round picks,
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: they have to be able to make contributions right away,
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: which is why the trade that happened last week for
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: Mason Smith. That's telling because Mason Smith was expected to
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: be a starting player and he never regressed to the
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: point where he was a steady rotation player and you
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: never could envision him being an everyday starter, which is
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: ultimately why he's Atlanta Falconer now of Jacksonvill Jaguars.
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: One thing interesting that Bucky said off the top of
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: this segment that always is I don't say pet peeve,
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: but has always been a point of misunderstanding sometimes when
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: he talked about top ten, top fifteen, first round, and
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: then the rest of the first round. So often they
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: all get lumped in, and the number thirty pick in
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: a draft is not the same dynamic as a top
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: five pick, and it's almost cruel sometimes to late first
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: round picks because they get lumped in and you want
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: to tell people, look, it would be better for these
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: guys if there was some sort of designation with them
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: as top fifteen pick, not first round pick, because it's
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: a dramatically different expectation. But there's really no numerical way
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: to do it. I get that, but it is a
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: big disconnect sometimes when they say, look, Trayvon Walker has
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: different expectations than the guy who went number thirty one
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: in that draft, just because they are both first round picked.
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: Is not making the same.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's important to do that.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: And I know people are fascinated with mock drafts and
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: all of those things, and there's this thing that we're
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: going to see like, hey, this person is right because
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: they predicted so many picks and those things. But the
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: difference between the mock drafting and the real scouting. Mock
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: drafting is where you think they're going to go. Scouting
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: is how you think they're going to play, and you
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: have to assign around value based on how you expect
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: the player to play down the road. And when we
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: talk about these guys after they're selected over the weekend,
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: it's important to provide that context all the time. So
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: when we talk about the sixth and seventh round pick,
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: those are our developmental guys.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: They should comprise most of our special teams.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: But there shouldn't be an expectation that this seventh round pick.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Is going to solve a major issue.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: If it does, great, that's more luck than anything. These
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: guys are counted on playing their roles, and if everyone
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: plays their role, it matches.
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: Up starts to the board.
• 27:35
  Speaker 10: Bucky or four years you know, he was that guy.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And so that's that's the thing.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: And so to talk about Day three, because we won't
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: have a chance to talk about it before it happens. Normally,
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: when you're looking at the board and we talk about
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: fourth round or below, they should have a deemon quality.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: What is the one redeeming quality that can get them
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: on the field. It can be high weight, speed, it
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: could be production, a trait that they have that you're like, hey, look,
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: I'm willing to gamble on that trade. But much like
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: John is talking about, you're throwing a dark because that
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: you're trying to find something that will give them enough
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: time to hang around until.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: They fully develop the skills to be on the team.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: The other thing about when you're drafting these guys is
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: can you envision them getting a jersey on Sunday?
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Mini?
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: Can you envision them being on the active part as
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: opposed to an inactor? And how can I get a jersey? Well,
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: that means you have to be able to do something
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: on special teams. So this is where you kind of
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: separate the prospects. What can they do on special teams?
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: What kind of contributions can they make on special teams?
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: Because if you're on special teams on Sundays, they gives
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: you a chance.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: To actually get in the game.
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: Because how many times have we seen two injuries and
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: we look up and a guy that is a special
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: team player is all of a sudden thrown into rotation.
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: All of those things factor in to how you build
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: your team, and you got to make sure that you
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: have a few different talents to be able to get
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: it done.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: Let's wrap it today with a prediction at number of
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: fifty six. It can be any It can be a position,
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: it could be an individual.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: Player, it could be anything. You want. This prediction to.
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: Be a mine will be bad because it look no confidence.
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: I'll go chalk, and I'll go very logical. It would
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: seem logical with a linebacker draft off the ball that's
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: pretty strong in the second round if they stay at
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: fifty six, Bucky, We've talked a lot during this pre
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: draft period. That's the sweet spot. Jacob Rodriguez Hill from Texas.
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: I keep sort of seeing I don't quite know if
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: Hill's the right faith enough about and make a great
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: prediction gold Ay Cincinnati. Those are the names that seemed
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: to sort of make sense. So all take linebacker and
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: that's a chalk that takes a lot of guys out
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: of it. I'd love to hear Bucky with something better
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: than that.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the answer.
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, what fun is taking a linebacker
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: when you are the main proponent that this is an
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: offensive league.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: We got to get it back. And I know you
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: don't value backs much.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: We can find him anywhere, pick them up off the street,
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: but we got to get it back somewhere in that
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: second round that can play and potentially start.
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: Isn't taking off the street better than this draft? From
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: what everybody says, they say it's an awful running back.
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: Don't listen to everybody. Don't listen to everybody else.
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: DJ is the guy.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, he has an opinion of everybody else. You
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: might be, but nah, don't don't listen that. There's some
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: running backs that can play, and I think if you're
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: the Jaguars, you want to make sure you're in a
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: position to get one of the better ones because when
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: you look at the current chart, I don't know if
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: I see a lead runner. And we can do it
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: by committee, but it's hard to complicate the kind of
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: production that we want when you're doing it by committee.
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: Look for them the Jags to find a way to
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: get a big time running back.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: There you have it. I heard it here. Predictions are
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: in the Jaguars. JP's prediction fifty six. I kind of
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: lean linebacker away.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, because there was such an impactful piece of
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: what they did last year.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Now some of that you know you can impactful that
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: he moved on, that's right. So, but and there's a
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: hole there, bucket.
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: And I think the X thing here is at fifty six.
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: Knowing James Gladstone, there's just as good a chance they
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: picked somewhere else other than fifty six. Knowing how aggressive
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: this team's willing to be, people keep asking, what are
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: the percentages chance they move up? Well, that's impossible with
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: the draft because it all depends on who falls to
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: him and where. I can tell you with certainty they
• 31:59
  Speaker 7: will be ready to move up and won't be shy
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: about moving up if they believe that's the right thing
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: to do.
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: So, Uh, we'll see what happens.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: We'll see.
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: Don't sleep on Thursday at night back?
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Oh really?
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Man?
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: Oh no, I mean this team, the way they operate,
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: I don't don't. Don't would be surprise JP. If they're bold.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: No, I would say, keep keep keep the phone tethered
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: to you. Don't uh, don't just dismiss and tune in
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: on Friday.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: You may miss something.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: I know that we're not leaving the studio after the
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: pre draft show. We're hanging around just in case.
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: Where will you be, Bucky? What's your draft day look like?
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Draft Day?
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: Look, man, I'm covering every pick providing analysis on NFL's
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: uh Fast channel, so you can tune in.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Some of you guys that are streamers and core cutters,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: I'll be on that won't. I won't be under I
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: won't be under the linear TV.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: I'll be I'll being digital, floating space somewhere.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: But you'll see, you'll see them and.
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: The Lord bucket of better.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're getting as much as we can get now
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: this week. Bucky, have a great week. We'll talk to
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: you again next week and recap.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: It all cool. Should be fun, Buck, Bucky.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Brooks out of here, John Ozier, I'm J. P. Shatterick.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: Thanks to Joe Fortunato and Brent Riever. Thanks to you
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: for watching and listening. It'shuddle up with Bucky Brooks.