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Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl · The Art of Costume Podcast

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  There was a pompacity and an arrogance and a narcissism.
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  I liked that I had a monkey, not a parrot.
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  Everything felt like we were creating surprises for people.
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  Perfect, I didn't think of that. The monkey makes it so much more
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  bad ass than a parrot pirate. Makes it like old school pirate.
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  This is a new glam rock pirate. Hello and welcome to the Art of
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  Crossing podcast. I'm Lisa Joy Glass.
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  And I am Captain Spencer Williams.
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  Ahoy, Elizabeth. Ahoy, Spencer.
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  Before on my way over to the studio I was really debating
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  looking up like every pirate word possible and just doing
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  this episode in pirate lingo, but I figured either A You would
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  Kill me or BI would probably fail at it pretty quickly.
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  Actually, probably both, really. I I would leave this zoom so
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  quickly. You would have gotten like
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  halfway through one sentence of kind of pirate talk and it would
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  just been like guest has left. Right, like Gar Elizabeth.
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  I'll talk some costumes, Gar. Something like that?
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  No. Yeah, not even a warm up.
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  OK. No.
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  Hey, Elizabeth, how are you? Hi.
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  Spencer, you know I'm out here getting through it.
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  You're getting through it. It's hot.
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  Getting through it, it's hot. There's too much going on.
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  There's not enough going on. It's a weird time.
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  It's a weird time. I get it.
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  I feel like my good old friend anxiety has just been clinging
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  on to me. Truly.
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  Like a monkey with a cursed medallion piece of gold, you
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  know, or. Absolutely.
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  I don't know. Absolutely.
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  Elizabeth, before I get start today, I actually have a very
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  fun announcement. Oh, do you?
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  I do. I am so excited to say that the
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  Art of Costume podcast is heading back to San Diego Comic
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  Con this July for the second time in a row and I just, I
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  couldn't be more excited. Elizabeth, this could be so much
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  fun. I'm going to be moderating not
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  one, but two panels this time. Yes, yes.
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  So. I I am so excited for you.
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  I'm so jealous. I want to be there.
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  We're going to have to get you out next year.
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  That's that is a goal. I'm putting it out there right
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  now. That's what's going to happen.
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  Absolutely, it's going to happen.
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  I'm so excited for you, especially for your first panel.
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  I think it's going to be amazing.
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  Yeah, I am so stoked. So on Thursday, July 25th, I'm
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  going to be modeling a panel called The Secret to The Hunger
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  Games. Step out of Songbirds and Snakes
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  costumes with our good friend, costume designer Trish
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  Somerville, whom I know you're all a huge fan of because we
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  made that message loud and clear when we had the episode come out
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  last year. And Tricia's team will be on the
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  panel as well with her assistant costume designer, two costume
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  concept artists, which I'm super stoked about, and a fabric
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  buyer. So that's going to be a fun
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  conversation. And I'll also be there to
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  support some other panels by our great friends and partners at
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  the Costume Designers Guild. For example, on Friday, July
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  26th, there will be a panel called Behind a Futuristic
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  Costumes and Netflix's Atlas. That's a new film with Jennifer
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  Lopez. Costume designer Daniel Orlandi
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  will be on that panel and he'll be moderated by assistant
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  costume designer and my good friend Ivy.
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  Heather Fade. That's going to be so fun.
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  I'm ready to be there. And then the other panel, which
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  I really wish you were here for this one on Saturday, July 27th.
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  Ordinary people, extraordinary characters are good friends.
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  Cynthia Summers and Kelsey Chobotar from The Last of Us
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  will be on that panel. Evelyn, who's been on a podcast
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  as well when she did the bullet train, and her assistant costume
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  designer, Annie Laupert. And then Elizabeth.
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  I'm so excited. So jealous.
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  I'm so jealous. Costume designer Wendy Chuck
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  will be there. Who you all know that the
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  costumes for Twilight and I'm just honestly, they should
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  probably keep me away from her because I'm gonna make a fool of
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  myself. I've have a lot of questions.
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  I'm I'm glad I'm not moderating that panel.
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  That will be Phil Boutet. You would be like forget.
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  I know there are some other great designers here, but Wendy,
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  Chuck, Twilight. Right.
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  And she's probably like, I don't want to talk about this anymore.
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  I get it. I get it.
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  And also. I have questions.
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  I have questions and I'm already like what should I bring for her
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  to sign? Do I need a big like
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  illustration of like a baseball? You and I have to you and I have
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  to collab on this figure something out.
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  You should you should track down Bella's.
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  That was coat. The controversial illegal one.
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  Controversial. Yeah, I thought about that too.
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  And also I should mention costume concept artists.
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  Gina D Domenico will be there as well.
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  Excited. I love listening to costume
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  concept artists speak about their work.
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  I think it's so fascinating. And then I haven't announced
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  this one yet as well, but on Sunday, July 28th, I will be
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  moderating another panel, this time with my good friend
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  Jennifer May Nickel, who was just on a podcast a few weeks
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  ago talking about Gotham Nights. We're going to be doing a panel
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  together called the From Screen to Cosplay, making your favorite
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  cosplay with accuracy. I can't say who's on the panel
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  just yet, but I've seen a list, some really fascinating names
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  and designers along with Jennifer myself.
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  So it's going to be a good time. So I really would love to see
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  some of your costume nerds out there.
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  Come say hi, let's take a photo. So I don't know, let's talk
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  about our favorite one. Costumes to rule them all's so
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  on and so forth. Talk about Bridgeton Throuple's,
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  whatever you need to do. Popcorn updates.
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  I'm ready for it. I'll be there all week and
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  weekend long. Yes, I am so excited for you
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  Spencer's and I'm going to guess you're going to be on social
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  media. So the 25th through the 27th,
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  keep an eye out because Spencer is a social media master and
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  knows how to get all the good picks online.
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  I do I'm going to have to get a new phone because this phone has
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  a battery life of like 30 minutes I'm.
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  Oh no. Serious trouble, but we'll
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  figure it out. Very excited and I can't wait
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  for you to be there next year with me.
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  Yes, absolutely. And Spencer, just as you're
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  preparing to set sail for an epic Comic Con weekend, we must
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  continue our journey through Hot Girl Summer.
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  Yeah, with, quite frankly, a childhood favorite and just at
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  this point, a classic family film.
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  Spencer, what did we watch this week?
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  Oh man, this week we watched probably, I think one of the
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  greatest films of all time, Pirates of the Caribbean, The
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  Curse of the Black Pearl, Elizabeth, I rewatched this
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  movie last night. This movie just hits it.
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  It just will never get old to me.
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  It will never get old and it's like it's my favorite of all of
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  them. It's my favorite.
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  It's just like it's fun for the whole family.
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  It takes you back to a time like a.
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  Simpler time. A simpler time.
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  I remember I was like doing the research and I was like, Oh my
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  gosh, 2003. Like, literally.
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  Orlando Bloom was in two blockbuster franchises
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  back-to-back. Oh man, Orlando Bloom was on
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  fire at this time. Oh yeah.
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  Oh. My gosh.
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  He was in all the big movie. And Keira Knightley was quite
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  newish at this point. I mean, she'd done some things,
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  but I believe this was even before Pride and Prejudice, I
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  believe. This is probably her first like
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  big role she had been in. She's in Star Wars episode one.
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  Right. I OK, yes, I remember looking
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  this up last night because I looked at that picture of her
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  next to Queen Amidala, which is really funny to me every time I
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  see that scene. So yeah, no, I should say this
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  is like the first big film she's in that people actually remember
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  she's in. Right.
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  Because she just looks like, like it took me like forever to
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  even realize like that was her. Yeah, in The Phantom Menace.
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  I mean, that's the whole point. They want her to look like Queen
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  Amidales in case someone you know unolives her.
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  Yeah. And I was just like, when you
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  put her and Natalie Portman next to each other, they do not look
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  alike. No.
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  But in that makeup, like, Oh yeah.
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  Yeah, I mean, that's a that's a whole deep dive we're gonna have
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  to get into maybe, maybe next season when we have to switch up
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  our Star Wars. Anyways, yeah, I love Hearts of
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  the Caribbean. I've just been a die hard pirate
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  fan. Like I I remember growing up, I
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  used to wear this really tacky shirt that said, I literally
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  asked my best friend Chris this other day because I know he made
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  fun of this shirt growing up. I think it said like something
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  like kiss me, I'm a pirate. It's really goofy.
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  And it had like a cartoon pirate on it.
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  It said something to that ilk. It might even said something
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  about booty. I don't know.
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  But I've, I know, very cringy. I've just been like, I love
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  pirates. I love pirate lore.
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  I love these pirate movies. And I think, you know, the
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  second film, the third film, they're all also super amazing
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  films. You kind of get to see like the
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  beginning of like brilliant visual effects in Pirates of the
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  Caribbean as well. Like this is where you could
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  really pinpoint like a notable shift in industry in my opinion.
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  Yeah, I would agree. I would agree.
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  It's definitely you get to see like the evolution through the
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  movies, 'cause I think the last one was like in 2017, right?
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  Yeah, honestly, I, I don't even think I've seen the fifth one.
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  I saw the 4th 1:00. But the fifth one, I was like, I
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  don't know man, but these first three were like Bible to me.
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  I mean, I had posters of all the different pirates and like my
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  bedroom closet space and I had the video games.
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  I wasn't even this is like the first movie.
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  I was I wasn't even allowed to watch it at first because it was
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  too much of A horror movie. So I remember when I finally get
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  to watch Pirates of the Caribbean, which this is totally
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  misguided because I had seen way worst before.
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  I think my parents just wanted some alone time.
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  But like, I just love this movie and I could go on and on about
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  it. Oh gosh, yeah, I love this movie
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  too. I remember cause I've always had
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  like this thing where I don't ever want to wear a shirt with
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  somebody else's face on it. So I remember being so excited
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  at the time. I don't know where I found this
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  shirt. I think it was like at Kohl's or
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  something, but it was like Pirates of the Caribbean themed,
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  but it didn't have anybody's face on it.
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  It was like a like a big like ship illustration of a ship.
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  And I was like so excited. So I was like, Oh my gosh, I can
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  wear a movie shirt, but it's not a movie shirt.
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  So I won't be like everybody else.
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  It's such high standards, such high standards.
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  That doesn't surprise me at all. Yeah, Elizabeth, should we get
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  to it and give her one a little summary in case they forgot the
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  Curse of the Black Pearl? Absolutely.
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  Go for it, Spencer. Captain Jack Sparrow arrives at
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  Port Royal in the Caribbean without a ship or crew.
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  His timing is inopportune, however, because later that
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  evening the town is besieged by a pirate ship.
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  The pirates kidnapped the governor's daughter, Elizabeth,
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  who's in possession of a valuable coin that is linked to
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  a curse that has transformed the pirates into the undead.
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  A gallant blacksmith in love with Elizabeth allies with
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  Sparrow in the pursuit of the pirates, and that is the Curse
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  of the Black Pearl. If you have not seen The Curse
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  of the Black Pearl, get Disney Plus.
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  Yeah, get. If you have a DVD player, go to
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  your local library. You can rent it for like a
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  dollar probably. Seriously.
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  I mean you, if someone were to say that to me in real life, I
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  feel like I'd have to square up. I'm like, what do you mean you
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  haven't seen Curse of the Black Pearl?
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  Especially someone like our age. I was like, this was like one of
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  the movies like parents I feel like put on and was like stay
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  here. I'm going to go and.
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  Like they knew we would not walk away from the curse in the Black
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  Pearl. And just to figure out who
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  brought this magic to us, let's go behind the costumes with
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  director Gore Verbinski and costume designer Penny Rose.
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  You will know her work from Mission Impossible in 1996.
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  Evita, for which she got a BAFTA Award nomination.
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  The Parent Trap from 1988. Another childhood classic, King
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  Arthur from 2004. The Pacific, for which she got
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  an Emmy nomination and a Costume Designer Guild nomination. 47
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  Ronin, Men in Black International, and Penny Rose
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  has been the costume designer on all five Pirates of the
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  Caribbean movies, receiving a Costume Designer Guild
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  nomination for The Curse of the Black Pearl.
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  Dead Man's Chest, at World's End, On Stranger Tides and a
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  BAFTA nomination for The Curse of the Black Pearl and Dead
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  Man's Chest. She got CDG nominations for
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  almost all of her pirate films. Pretty much.
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  I think four of the five is wild.
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  Yeah, that, that's excellent. I love that.
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  I didn't realize that she continued on with four and five
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  also 'cause I felt like there was a big amount of time between
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  3:00 and 4:00. So, oh, good for you.
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  Penny Rose, if you are available, our office is open.
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  I would love to talk. Oh yeah, we will just talk to
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  you about Pirates of the Caribbean as well.
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  That's just all that which I mean, it makes so much sense
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  'cause there is, I would say, like wildly excellent continuity
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  in terms of look between all five films.
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  So when I saw she had done all of them, I was like, oh, this
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  makes sense, especially 'cause you, you would think like, at
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  some point, like, another costume designer would have come
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  in. And, well, costume designers are
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  usually pretty good at, like, keeping core characters, like in
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  their look. They usually try to, like, add
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  something or, like, give a little bit of a spin to it, but
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  it's like, no, like, characters look the same all throughout
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  these movies. Yeah.
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  Yeah. That's like, really interesting.
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  He doesn't and I mean, I think it it's a bigger point that
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  we'll probably get into in the episode, but you know, they're
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  pirates. They're not changing their
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  outfits all the time unless they pirate it off of you.
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  But like to be a part of this, you know, franchise from
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  beginning to basically the end and like seeing how like
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  evolves, you know, once again to dead man's chest.
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  Never seen a lot of CGI working with the costumes and Davy Jones
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  and like, can you just and then you get to the third one and
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  you're seeing all these parts from all these different parts
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  of the world and. Yeah.
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  What an exciting project. That is really cool.
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  It is so good and one thing I was not expecting for us to
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  discover was even a research she did for Pych of the Caribbean.
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  In the book The Art of Disney Costuming, they describe Rose's
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  process, saying Rose visited maritime museums, portrait
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  galleries and other resources in order to learn about the culture
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  and the raiment of the period. I spent three weeks just
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  absorbing ideas, she says she also consulted British pirate
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  expert David Cordeling, author of such books as Under the Black
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  Flag, The Romanticism and Reality of Life Among the
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  Pirates. She said the costumes are
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  constructed absolutely authentically.
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  There are no modern gimmicks within them.
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  You'll find no zippers or Velcro on these costumes, which is
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  wild. You also want to know what is
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  Wild Spencer and the behind the scenes for the DVD extras.
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  Penny says she had 900 pieces created for this film.
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  Wow, that's a lot. Especially for was this 2003?
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  That's yeah, that's a lot of detail for something like what
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  would you would think as just like a simple Disney movie?
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  There was nothing simple about this.
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  No, although this I expect. I wish I'd looked up a budget.
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  I didn't think of it because this was, I think this was
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  Disney's first movie based off of a ride.
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  So I have a feeling they probably gave it like a hefty
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  budget. They were like, you gotta make
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  this work. Yeah.
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  I mean, that's, Can you imagine the pressure of that to bring, I
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  mean, parts of your Venus, like everyone's favorite ride at
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  Disneyland, Disney World, at least it's, it's my number.
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  It's switches. It's by #1 or #2 depending on
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  what time of the year it is. And yeah, I mean, it's because
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  that ride is so immersive and also is like Walt Disney's like,
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  you know, dream to make this experience that feels immersive.
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  And it didn't feel like, you know, it.
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  It felt like a authentic representation of the time and
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  the storytelling. So for these costumes to really
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  just kind of immerse yourself in this world, I think that really
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  was the goal. And as you said, the continuity
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  between all the films remains and it just builds on top of
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  itself. But it never feels too
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  caricatury. It just felt real and authentic
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  the whole time, which I appreciate.
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  Absolutely. And Spencer, after this break,
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  Are you ready to jump into Pirates of the Caribbean, Curse
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  of the Black Pearl? I'm ready.
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  I'm going to go drink some orange juice or whatever to
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  prevent ourselves from getting scurvy as they do in the high
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  seas, and I'm ready to go. Everyone, we'll be right back.
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  Elizabeth, you know my favorite place to visit this time of year
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  is. The Caribbean.
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  I was going to say Port Royal, but you're on the right path.
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  Yeah, let's head on over to Port Royal to check in on this lovely
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  little town that doesn't realize it's in for a very long night.
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  But. Oh yeah.
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  Before we get there, we really got this, a good look at the
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  maritime like naval costumes that we were talking about.
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  It's really impressive. It is so impressive.
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  I'm like, OK, that's where like a lot of this 900 costume.
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  Yeah. Was coming from because they
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  are. They're super authentic.
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  This. Was executed very well.
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  I love seeing the Commodore, Commodore Norrington, or as he's
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  about to become seen, his uniform just, I mean, it looks
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  like it was pulled from a museum to me.
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  Absolutely. I also love how you get to see
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  like the different like stages of his uniform, whether it's
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  like super formal for like, you know, the whole ceremony when
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  where he gets promoted or just like his day today.
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  Still too fancy, but still appropriate for battle
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  apparently. Uniform like it's a great it.
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  It really shows like the variation that there was in
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  these uniforms. I also really love Elizabeth's
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  father is just an excellent example of a baroque era dress
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  and hair styling. I 'cause I always forget for
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  some reason, like maybe this is my American brain.
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  I'm always like, oh, this is like mid to late 1700s.
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  Cause like American Revolution movies, like we see like red
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  coats all the time. They look exactly like this.
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  But then I was doing my research.
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  I was like, Oh no, wait, this is like the early 1700s, right?
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  And it's like her dad is what puts you there.
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  Yeah, he takes the all the way back.
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  The wig, Elizabeth, The wig is. The wig.
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  Elizabeth and I were talking about the wig before we we're
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  recording today. I want that wig.
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  It is huge. It's kind of like a judge's.
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  Oh man, it's everything I want. It, yeah, it's like a judge's
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  wig, but like, clearly for the day today.
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  Yeah. And I, I just love how it still
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  makes me laugh every time I see one of these wigs because they
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  clearly just take it off. I mean, you see him without it
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  toward the end of the film and it.
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  Yeah, it frightens me every time Elizabeth asked why I wasn't
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  wearing my white powdered wig from our previous episodes, and
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  I sadly have to say that it has not been in great condition
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  since we abused it for our The Great episode and we weren't for
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  another episode. I don't remember.
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  You did. I don't.
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  Remember. I think Hamilton, yeah.
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  I think next year we need to invest in new powdered wigs for
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  the podcast studio if we do like Dead Man's Chest or something.
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  Yeah, we should get these though.
• 23:06
  Yeah, Oh, no. If we're going to get new ones,
• 23:08
  we're upgrading. Oh, absolutely.
• 23:11
  We're going to look like Elizabeth's father.
• 23:15
  Can you imagine? I love this.
• 23:18
  But yeah, I I love seeing all the military costumes.
• 23:21
  It's really cool. What's also really cool is
• 23:25
  seeing the effects of Elizabeth's corset.
• 23:29
  And. How costume plays right into the
• 23:32
  plot of this film. This is our favorite thing.
• 23:35
  I love when costumes play a role in the film.
• 23:38
  This is like, up my Nigor's alley so hard.
• 23:41
  Yeah, she even says one point. My one of my favorite lines is
• 23:45
  when she smashes that pirate in the face of an oar and she says
• 23:49
  like you like pain, try wearing a corset.
• 23:52
  I. Was like, yeah, that needs to be
• 23:56
  a T-shirt. It does.
• 23:59
  And I think it's so funny because clearly this is just
• 24:01
  like a new style of corset, probably for her.
• 24:05
  Yeah, she was probably wearing like, just something way looser
• 24:09
  before. And she's just clearly like, so
• 24:11
  uncomfortable. She is suffering the entire
• 24:15
  first five to 10 minutes. She is so suffering.
• 24:18
  And I'm like, Commodore Norrington, did you not see that
• 24:21
  this woman was about to pass out like.
• 24:25
  He's very self self obsessed. He thought she's getting ready
• 24:28
  to pass out over him. And so I was like, come on,
• 24:30
  dude. And.
• 24:33
  I'm just like back back in that day though with the what women
• 24:36
  were wearing putting like having them walk up to ledges.
• 24:40
  Not a great idea in general I feel like.
• 24:44
  Elizabeth, this was the other Elizabeth.
• 24:47
  This was a very poor choice of yours to stand on that ledge,
• 24:50
  however. You looked incredible though,
• 24:52
  when you fell off that ledge. I mean, that was a beautiful
• 24:55
  gown. Oh yeah, and fun fact, this is
• 24:59
  the first thing in high school that anyone ever commissioned me
• 25:03
  to make a cosplay of. No way.
• 25:05
  Yeah, I didn't know this I. Went to high school with this
• 25:08
  girl who was like obsessed with Pirates of the Caribbean.
• 25:12
  Like this girl I hadn't heard of.
• 25:14
  Like bounding like she was a she Disney bound.
• 25:20
  Every single day she had like 3. That's crazy.
• 25:24
  This was like the probably like the early twenty 10s.
• 25:28
  Oh, OK. She had like, she had just like
• 25:32
  the clothes for it, like she was, she was into it and I was
• 25:36
  like Hugo girl. I get it.
• 25:38
  I mean, I it's an incredible costume and I'm sure many people
• 25:43
  resonate with that first costume in the corset.
• 25:45
  I mean, I could watch that scene forever.
• 25:47
  That was some good stuff. Same.
• 25:50
  You know what I could also watch forever.
• 25:54
  Captain Jack Sparrow. The moment he sinks his ship up
• 25:59
  to the dock. The.
• 26:01
  Port Royal. That'll never not be funny to
• 26:03
  me, it. Will never not be funny like the
• 26:07
  The way comedy was done in this movie was brilliant as was the
• 26:13
  look of Captain Jack Sparrow which Rose drew inspiration from
• 26:18
  the illustrations of Howard Ply and from depth inspiration for
• 26:25
  the character Keith Richard, which when you see Keith
• 26:29
  Richards next to a Howard Ply illustration it makes sense.
• 26:33
  Yeah, it works perfectly. And just realizing now Keith
• 26:38
  Richards is in the third film, which is pretty, pretty
• 26:42
  fantastic. He's like Jack Sparrow's father
• 26:45
  or something weird, isn't he? Your father or mentor?
• 26:48
  They look very similar. I gotta go back and watch it,
• 26:51
  but I remember seeing Keith Richards in the third one and I
• 26:53
  was like, got it. That's what I want to be when I
• 26:56
  grow up. Like, are you kidding?
• 26:59
  He's so cool. But yeah, like the thing about
• 27:03
  the parts in this film, especially Jack Sparrow and when
• 27:05
  we get into Barbosa, there's like a rock'n'roll quality to
• 27:08
  them. It just feels very like I don't
• 27:11
  kind of pop kind of rock with like the I the Guy liner going
• 27:15
  on and just there's a sultryness to them and I see that in Jack
• 27:20
  Sparrow. Absolutely, and at the time, the
• 27:26
  extraordinary way Penny Rose depicted these characters did
• 27:31
  not go unnoticed, film critic Stephanie Zacharik said.
• 27:39
  In case you think costume designer Penny Rose went totally
• 27:42
  overboard on Depp's outfit, note that it's zaniness has at least
• 27:47
  some historical foundation. In his rip roaring study of real
• 27:52
  life 17th century pirate William Kidd, the pirate hunter Richard
• 27:57
  Zack explains that pirates often went about in outlandish outfits
• 28:03
  they concocted themselves from plundered fabrics.
• 28:06
  They were also known to totter about in fancy infanting shoes
• 28:10
  also stolen. In the pirate world.
• 28:13
  Vanity trumped comfort, Yeah. This is why I want to be a
• 28:18
  pirate. Gosh.
• 28:22
  If only, if only, because then we have Barbosa.
• 28:27
  I love Barbosa, Geoffrey Rush is perfect as this character, I
• 28:33
  cannot imagine anyone else playing them.
• 28:36
  And this is one of my favorite costumes as well because again,
• 28:40
  I love the rock'n'roll nature of this character, especially the
• 28:44
  hat, like the hat is stupid cool.
• 28:47
  I I could look, I could watch this performance all day long.
• 28:51
  It is so good. Absolutely.
• 28:54
  And The Art of Disney Costuming quotes actor Geoffrey Rush
• 29:00
  saying about his character. Someone like Barbosa, I looked
• 29:04
  at what his qualities are. He was described in the first
• 29:08
  film as spat out of the mouth of hell.
• 29:11
  And I thought, wow, whenever you enter this film, you've got to
• 29:15
  bring that on. And Penny Rose had given me a
• 29:19
  very flamboyant outfit. I was like a glam rock star from
• 29:24
  another era. Yeah, there was.
• 29:27
  There was a pompacity and an arrogance and a narcissism.
• 29:32
  I liked that I had a monkey, not a parrot.
• 29:35
  Everything felt like we were creating surprises for people.
• 29:41
  Perfect, perfect. Like I didn't think of that.
• 29:44
  The monkey makes it so much more badass than a parrot.
• 29:47
  Parrot makes it like old school pirate.
• 29:49
  This is a new glam rock pirate. Pirate is like a kids book, like
• 29:55
  pirate Abcs and there's like a little a little parrot with like
• 30:00
  a little little hat. No, not this film.
• 30:02
  This isn't Polly Wanna Cracker, this is an undead monkey that
• 30:06
  will blow your cover anytime you're trying to sneak on
• 30:09
  someone ship. Anytime, anytime.
• 30:13
  And like, the thing that makes Barbosa's outfit, which is
• 30:18
  brought back to time and time again throughout the movies, is
• 30:21
  his. Hats, yes.
• 30:24
  And Rush said that it's the hat. Ultimately, we discovered in the
• 30:30
  very first costume fitting, the moment the hat came off, the
• 30:34
  character kind of disappeared. That's the brain.
• 30:38
  That's the vanity and elegance that he thinks he's presenting,
• 30:42
  the superiority. Yeah, I get it.
• 30:46
  I mean, the hat really does make it because it's big and it's
• 30:50
  just kind of like offsets, like the direction of the costume
• 30:54
  just that much. And I, I want to say there's a
• 30:57
  moment in like the four film or something where you see him
• 31:00
  without the hat for a little bit.
• 31:02
  And even then you're like, oh, like really like Barbosa's had a
• 31:04
  fall to grace fall from. Grace.
• 31:07
  So the hat, I think he's he's. Wearing like a wig or something.
• 31:10
  Yeah, absolutely. Like, you know he's in charge
• 31:14
  when that when that hat is on. Yeah, I mean, I'm going to go
• 31:17
  get a hat like this after this, you know?
• 31:20
  Absolutely. Absolutely.
• 31:22
  And quite frankly, when you have a crew like that of the Black
• 31:27
  Pearl, you you need something to make you stand out because
• 31:32
  everyone has a distinct style on that ship.
• 31:34
  Yeah, what a cast of characters on that boat.
• 31:38
  Truly. And director Gore Verbinski
• 31:44
  talked about how he wanted the pirates to look in the art of
• 31:48
  Disney costuming, saying I didn't want these pirates to
• 31:52
  look similar to what we've seen before.
• 31:55
  In reading about that period, it's clear that people didn't
• 31:59
  live very long. They were essentially rotting
• 32:02
  away. Ships leaked.
• 32:04
  There was nothing in the way of medical attention, and not a lot
• 32:08
  of personal hygiene. Things were pretty disgusting.
• 32:16
  I'm like, absolutely, absolutely.
• 32:20
  They do look like they're riding away.
• 32:22
  They do. You could tell the ceilings are
• 32:24
  leaky. There's just a lot of water, bad
• 32:27
  hygiene, not a lot of teeth brushing, tooth brushing, just
• 32:33
  you know it. That's why they dress so they
• 32:37
  dress so much like characters because they only have a short
• 32:41
  time, so might as well live it up in your big glam rock star
• 32:45
  life. They're definitely we're here
• 32:47
  for a good time, not a long time kind.
• 32:50
  Of yeah, yeah, totally. I I love them, especially the
• 32:57
  two, the two they kind of focus in on Pintle and Regretti that
• 33:03
  like we see these are the two crew members we get to see the
• 33:07
  most close up and they're just disgusting.
• 33:12
  They are disgusting, yet they become such like a cursor for
• 33:16
  storytelling for us throughout, like all the films, which is
• 33:20
  hilarious and. It's like their teeth are so
• 33:22
  disgusting and in the behind the scenes I was watching some of
• 33:26
  like the makeup ones they did vacuum formed molds of
• 33:31
  everybody's teeth and everyone's just wearing false teeth in this
• 33:34
  movie. Nice, I like it.
• 33:36
  Commit to the bit. They committed to the bit.
• 33:40
  They were also like, we don't have to worry about going in and
• 33:42
  making sure everybody's teeth looked disgusting.
• 33:47
  It's just like, it's one of those things that adds to it.
• 33:50
  Also, like a lot of them are like wearing contacts to like
• 33:54
  give their eyes that like yellowy tinge.
• 33:57
  Wow. It's just like top to bottom
• 33:59
  perfect. I was wondering about that
• 34:01
  because I did notice the yellow tint and a lot of their eyes and
• 34:04
  I was like, well they really did great with the casting I guess.
• 34:07
  But you know, I feel like why this works so well.
• 34:11
  Just Pirates of the Caribbean could have went so wrong because
• 34:13
  when you think of like other part movies, like I don't know,
• 34:17
  like a Peter Pan or something like you think of like a big red
• 34:20
  coat with a peg leg, a parrot and like a big old black cat
• 34:24
  that has like a skull and crossbones on it.
• 34:26
  And that's just it doesn't look like the ever cross penny roses
• 34:30
  mind or Gore Verbinski. Like it just felt very much like
• 34:34
  let's go to the research and create like a real depiction of
• 34:36
  what things look like. Sure, there's some elements that
• 34:39
  we like. You know, it's still a Disney
• 34:41
  film, so we're going to have some fun with it.
• 34:43
  But this felt, I mean, it felt very real.
• 34:47
  It almost felt like it was based off of photographs, you know?
• 34:50
  Yeah. It's like, I imagine them going
• 34:52
  like, we're gonna make a film that looks and feels like, very
• 34:57
  grounded in history, but like, add a little like, magic fantasy
• 35:01
  to it. Yeah.
• 35:02
  A little flare. Just like a little, well, like
• 35:06
  Tinkerbell came around and was like, here's some fairy dust,
• 35:08
  right? I don't know where you want to
• 35:10
  use it. You decide.
• 35:11
  It all went to Barbosa's hat. That's where it went.
• 35:14
  All of it and the excellent CGI. Yeah.
• 35:21
  This holds up like we've definitely gotten better, but
• 35:26
  this feels right in like the context of the movie.
• 35:30
  This is like the direct like successor of The Mummy, which we
• 35:35
  just talked about not too long ago.
• 35:36
  Like, I just feel like these visual effects were like
• 35:39
  breathtaking. Oh, wait, that like you could
• 35:42
  feel the shift in the industry. To me, it still holds up.
• 35:45
  I just watched it last night. I love watching them, like
• 35:49
  transition from their, you know, a live form to their undead
• 35:52
  form. Well, I think one of my favorite
• 35:54
  parts is that moment where Jack Sparrow moves the coin between
• 35:58
  his like skeleton fingers toward the end, Like that's crazy.
• 36:02
  Or when they're drinking and you see it, like go through their
• 36:05
  chest. It it really is insane.
• 36:08
  And I would love to talk to Penny Rose about the costumes
• 36:12
  they were wearing and like, how much of that was CGI and how
• 36:14
  much wasn't. I I was watching the CGI behind
• 36:19
  the scenes a little bit earlier and like the amount of work that
• 36:22
  went into making it 'cause they had, they did it like fully with
• 36:26
  the actors on the set. Everyone just like in their
• 36:30
  normal like pirate Ness, wow. They did motion capture and then
• 36:36
  they did the, you know, animated versions of everyone and layered
• 36:41
  that all together. Wow.
• 36:43
  And I was just like, Oh my gosh, the work that went into that.
• 36:46
  And like, yeah, definitely. If you told me all the people
• 36:48
  who worked on The Mummy had spent the last like several
• 36:53
  years just. Preparing just like.
• 36:55
  Preparing and working on how to make better like skeleton
• 36:59
  zombies. I believe you.
• 37:01
  Yeah, this definitely has a very like mummy feel to it.
• 37:05
  Yeah, I mean, in 2003, this really hadn't been done before.
• 37:10
  I mean, I'm sure there's other examples that people will
• 37:12
  probably point to in their comments like, yeah, well, they
• 37:14
  did better see jam. But this to me, like I'll always
• 37:18
  remember seeing this for the first time and just how real
• 37:21
  felt and how scary it felt. Honestly, it's terrifying.
• 37:25
  Yeah, this, this did like give me the creeps as a kid.
• 37:28
  It still gives me the creeps today because it just works.
• 37:33
  But it's so cool. I mean, gosh, if there was, if I
• 37:37
  found Cortez's treasure and I just had to take one piece of
• 37:41
  gold, Elizabeth, I'd be all about that.
• 37:44
  But like, you can't eat or like, feel anything, they said.
• 37:47
  Food turned to ash in their mouths.
• 37:49
  I. Don't know it's all.
• 37:52
  I feel like. I'll put it on like you.
• 37:54
  Would take you would have no, no, this is I can see this.
• 37:57
  You're gonna be, should be like, let's go get some of Cortez's
• 37:59
  treasure And you would each take a piece and then you'd be like,
• 38:04
  let's go have brunch and then be like, Oh no, we gotta go back.
• 38:10
  I'm just saying let me try it out first, a trial period at
• 38:13
  least. I would be so mad sailing the
• 38:16
  ship with you all back to take that, to take that treasure
• 38:20
  back. I'd be like I told you.
• 38:23
  But like the part where they're walking at the bomb the ocean.
• 38:26
  That's cool. So exciting to me, like I I'm
• 38:30
  just jumping up and down at that scene every time.
• 38:33
  Maybe if we like anchored the ship there, took took some gold,
• 38:37
  played around as like skeletons for a little bit and then put it
• 38:41
  back with with our blood sacrifice.
• 38:44
  I'll put it back until one day when you walk down the moonlight
• 38:49
  and you're like, uh. Spencer, you do.
• 38:57
  Yeah, so much fun. So much fun.
• 39:00
  You know what's also fun? Spencer, Orlando Bloom.
• 39:06
  Oh, man, Orlando Bloom crush at this time.
• 39:09
  It's just, I mean, he had the world in a chokehold at this
• 39:13
  moment. He did.
• 39:14
  He, like This film cemented my childhood crush on this man like
• 39:20
  he was my Hollywood crush. I was obsessed with him.
• 39:23
  Who wasn't? He just did a Legolas in Lord of
• 39:26
  the Rings. And then he said, you know what,
• 39:28
  I'm going in for another round. And yeah, Will Turner, he kills
• 39:32
  it. He's so great in this film.
• 39:35
  He is, and it's like it's 'cause he's so simply dressed in this.
• 39:41
  It is literally like pants, a flowy shirt and a vest.
• 39:47
  Like nothing special in particular is going on here?
• 39:52
  No, but the way Orlando Bloom works it.
• 39:55
  Oh yeah, the big open, an incredible neckline.
• 39:58
  You just see the chest with the necklace, right?
• 40:01
  It's everything is very intentional with this character.
• 40:04
  He's he looks like a typical pirate hero to me, and it works.
• 40:10
  Like 10 year old me was like, yes, yes.
• 40:14
  I need one of those. Where did I get one?
• 40:18
  Yeah, I get that. And like, he also, like, just
• 40:21
  came off of Lord of the Rings, right?
• 40:23
  So he takes off the blonde wig and he gets to have, like, this
• 40:27
  brown, luscious hair with the goatee and the mustache.
• 40:31
  I mean, he had everything going for him in this moment.
• 40:33
  He had the world. Because Lord of the Rings, I was
• 40:36
  like, oh, hi, Legolas. And then Pirates of the
• 40:40
  Caribbean, I was like, oh, who is this?
• 40:42
  Yeah, I mean, Legolas was like the hidden secret and a black
• 40:46
  Pearl. It's like the the gates were
• 40:47
  wide open at that point. He was fair game for every
• 40:50
  little girl at Disneyland. Or, you know, like it was just
• 40:53
  everyone had Orlando Bloom on the list.
• 40:57
  Absolutely. But just to say to the costume
• 41:00
  also, I think the textile and the vest is really interesting.
• 41:03
  Oh my gosh, that is beautiful. Yeah, like Penny Rose didn't
• 41:06
  have to do much for his costume, but she still took the time to.
• 41:09
  And her team, of course, like put together this really
• 41:12
  fascinating textile that just brought like, an age to him but
• 41:15
  and felt period appropriate. And, you know, it's so like a
• 41:19
  great texture. He doesn't change a lot, but no
• 41:21
  one in this film changes a lot. Definitely like what his costume
• 41:26
  does is highlight him as an individual.
• 41:31
  It's not trying to give him and like like Jack Sparrow, Barbosa,
• 41:34
  their costumes are part of what give them personality.
• 41:38
  This it's just like Will Turner is Will Turner.
• 41:42
  We just need to highlight that. And even though he is a pirate,
• 41:45
  he's not a pirate and he's trying to believe he's not a
• 41:48
  pirate. So you kind of see that
• 41:49
  conflict. Pirate.
• 41:50
  Yeah, he's a good pirate. He's.
• 41:52
  A good pirate, not a bad pirate. Even though Elizabeth wishes he
• 42:00
  could be a bad pirate but. Mom, he's a good pirate.
• 42:05
  Yeah, which is actually the dialogue that Elizabeth Swan was
• 42:12
  having through the entire film. We get to see another Elizabeth
• 42:17
  Swan change. And I had to just sneak this in
• 42:20
  here because we have been talking about how we've been
• 42:22
  having a lack of red dresses on the podcast.
• 42:25
  And then I forgot that Barbosa very creepily makes Elizabeth
• 42:31
  change into this stunning kind of like scarlet, Crimson red.
• 42:35
  It's. Like it's like Mavi.
• 42:37
  Yeah. Like it's always, I always
• 42:39
  thought this was a little more purple like on screen, but like
• 42:42
  the pictures you can see that like the Reds there.
• 42:45
  Yeah, it's. It's definitely has.
• 42:47
  I don't know. Yeah, it's funny.
• 42:49
  Like it looks different in every single picture.
• 42:51
  Yeah. But it's definitely for all
• 42:55
  purposes a red dress to talk about on the podcast.
• 42:58
  I love it. And it's.
• 42:59
  I love that it still feels very Elizabeth Swann in a way.
• 43:04
  But then. It.
• 43:05
  Still has like the rock qualities of Captain Barbosa
• 43:09
  with like the black lace kind of peeking out.
• 43:11
  It feels kind of, you know, Hard Rock goth Captain Barbosa.
• 43:16
  So it's it's kind of like a blending of the two.
• 43:19
  Yeah, I also like 'cause like earlier her dress, like we were
• 43:23
  saying before, this is like early 1700s, it's like the
• 43:26
  Baroque period. But the that dress she gets at
• 43:29
  the beginning, that's definitely like a going into the rococo
• 43:33
  period. Yeah, look, but this with like
• 43:37
  the puff, like not quite bell sleeve, but almost like it's
• 43:42
  very baroque. So you can tell like Barbosa
• 43:45
  stole this who knows how long ago and has just been waiting to
• 43:51
  give it to somebody. Oh yeah, it's been hanging up in
• 43:54
  his closet. Like in case of emergency, if
• 43:56
  there's a woman on deck, you know what to do.
• 44:00
  We got her covered. Yeah, it's so creepy, but and
• 44:04
  then I it's totally a the part where they're kicking everyone
• 44:08
  off the boat and they're getting ready to put Elizabeth and Jack
• 44:11
  on the island and it's a creepy scene because they're ripping
• 44:14
  the dress off of her because he says he wants to dress back.
• 44:18
  And you're like, well, I kind of get it, you know?
• 44:20
  Yeah, yeah, it's a nice dress. Quite.
• 44:24
  Frankly, if she had jumped off, it would have just weighed her
• 44:27
  down. Oh yeah, she was like she.
• 44:29
  Yeah, that was not something she needed to be wearing jumping
• 44:32
  into the ocean. But one thing about this that I
• 44:35
  do really like is how open it is on the top.
• 44:38
  It's clearly like just a lack of like, this is a beat up dress.
• 44:42
  It is not in great condition, but like the way it reveals like
• 44:46
  all the layers of her clothing, I just think it's like really
• 44:50
  beautiful and really interesting.
• 44:52
  Yeah, very layered. I would, I would love to see
• 44:55
  this dress in person just to see all the layers to it.
• 44:58
  Absolutely. Definitely a favorite.
• 45:00
  It's so cool. And I kind of forgot about it
• 45:02
  until I rewatched this film. So it was great.
• 45:06
  A place that I've always wanted to visit, Elizabeth is the
• 45:10
  island of Tortuga, which is the pirate capital of mischief.
• 45:16
  And I just have so much fun of the scene every time when we
• 45:19
  meet Gibbs or you see all of Jack Sparrow's exes or whatever
• 45:24
  they are. Yeah, it's a lot of fun.
• 45:28
  It's just scene. It's really exciting because we
• 45:31
  know the ride so much like we talked about.
• 45:32
  And this is like the scene where I really feel like we see like,
• 45:35
  the ride come alive, seeing all the just some mayhem come onto
• 45:39
  screen. And the costumes just like,
• 45:42
  really blend into the environment, which sounds crazy
• 45:45
  for a Disney film about pirates, but it feels real and authentic
• 45:49
  the entire time. Absolutely.
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  And it, like you said, it just has an era fun about it.
• 45:56
  I especially like the first woman that slaps him like that's
• 46:02
  that's one of the people that I'm like, this is such clear
• 46:04
  inspiration from the ride. Yeah.
• 46:07
  Like she looks like one of those animatronics and it's just so
• 46:12
  perfect. It's so fun.
• 46:14
  What's also perfect is Zoe Saldana in this.
• 46:17
  Movie. Who?
• 46:19
  I always forget she's in this. I always forget until I see her.
• 46:23
  Yeah, and I love that she's just like one of the crew.
• 46:29
  Yeah, I mean, she's a badass. She, I mean, she could be the
• 46:32
  captain, which I think is really her goal.
• 46:34
  And she kind of takes that role at times.
• 46:36
  Yeah. Such a badass character.
• 46:38
  I wish she was in more of it. But as we've come to learn in
• 46:42
  the past years that actually Zoe did not have a great time on
• 46:46
  this film, which was a bummer. I was reading about a little bit
• 46:50
  last night. Sounds like it wasn't exactly
• 46:53
  the dream set, but that's all I really read.
• 46:57
  But yeah, she's such a badass in this.
• 46:59
  And it's just crazy to think that this was also, like, one of
• 47:01
  her, like, first big films. And she went on to be, like, one
• 47:06
  of the world's biggest superstars.
• 47:09
  Yeah. I mean, she's been in all of the
• 47:10
  biggest films from, you know, Avatar to Avengers.
• 47:15
  She's on fire. And like, let's be honest, she
• 47:18
  couldn't be in anymore parts of the Caribbean movies.
• 47:21
  She had to be in the Guardians of the Galaxy movies she had.
• 47:26
  She had more important things to be doing.
• 47:29
  Yeah, I mean, I think that was maybe a little far off from
• 47:32
  Pirates, but still, it could have changed the trajectory of
• 47:35
  her timeline. So it all worked out.
• 47:38
  But Zoe, we love you. You were one of the best parts
• 47:40
  of this film. So again, I love that it's just
• 47:44
  like a classic, like kind of white dirty shirt that she's
• 47:47
  wearing too. It's almost like it shows that
• 47:51
  she isn't afraid to get dirty, but she's also not that dirty
• 47:54
  because she could kick your ass too, so you can't really lay a
• 47:57
  hand on her. And also, so she has like, no
• 48:01
  interest of being a woman of her time and no illusion that she's
• 48:05
  fitting into that mold. Yeah, 'cause like, I mean, like
• 48:09
  all the women are on Tortuga. They're not exactly like the
• 48:13
  idea of, like, what women were supposed to be at the time.
• 48:16
  They're all just kind of there, like, forging their own paths.
• 48:19
  Yeah. But she's like, I'm not even
• 48:22
  going to put the dress on and look the part.
• 48:25
  I know who I am and it's not that.
• 48:27
  Yeah, her love is the high seas and being a pirate, which I mad
• 48:34
  respect. Absolutely, I also love how
• 48:40
  Elizabeth takes charge when her and Jack are on the are on the
• 48:47
  Rum Islands and she's just in her shift making the best of it
• 48:54
  it. Is so fun to see and I loved how
• 48:58
  dirty they get. Like seeing Elizabeth shift,
• 49:00
  like, soaked and covered in sand and she's drinking and you just
• 49:05
  could feel like, how stripped down she feels.
• 49:07
  And then seeing Jack in like, the shorts, a whatnot, covered
• 49:11
  in sand also. Yeah.
• 49:12
  And just how committed to these costumes these characters are
• 49:16
  and how Jack would never go and change.
• 49:19
  No, you know, he's just gonna. Take his shoes off.
• 49:22
  Yeah, take his shoes off, take his coat off, but still the same
• 49:25
  outfit. And you could tell that like he
• 49:27
  sweated through this thing. It's a bit.
• 49:30
  It probably smells, but you know, he washes it off in the
• 49:34
  ocean, sea and yeah. It's such a fun.
• 49:38
  It's all good. Also, I wish I liked rum.
• 49:40
  I really would like to because it's just such a fun scene.
• 49:43
  We could have been rum, I don't know.
• 49:47
  Interesting. Yeah, but I just, I want to be
• 49:50
  in this scene when they're partying and dancing around the
• 49:52
  fire. Oh yeah, I think she sets the
• 49:54
  island on fire the next. Yeah, that's.
• 49:57
  Like my favorite part. And he's like, Oh my gosh, she's
• 50:01
  an idiot, what is she doing? And then she was right the whole
• 50:04
  time. Oh yeah, like 10 minutes later
• 50:07
  they're there. There's no looking with her
• 50:09
  after. This, yeah.
• 50:11
  It's so funny. The comedy in this film is
• 50:12
  spectacular. It really is.
• 50:14
  So spectacular. Even more spectacular, Will's
• 50:20
  had at the end of this movie. Yeah, I think this is the one
• 50:25
  costume where I feel like I was like, huh, I don't know about
• 50:29
  this hat. Like, it just feels so like out
• 50:31
  of place for Will, but like, you can't help but love it, you
• 50:35
  know? Like he spent, he spent like a
• 50:37
  whole what, two weeks with these glam rock pirates?
• 50:41
  So of course he got back to Port Royal and I was like, I'm going
• 50:44
  shopping, yo. He's like, I don't spend any of
• 50:47
  the meager amount of money this blacksmith pays me.
• 50:51
  Let me go. Let me go.
• 50:53
  Like do some experimenting. This is this is Will Turner in
• 50:57
  his fashion experimental area. He saw that hat at the hat store
• 51:04
  and he was like, yes, that's it. That is the answer.
• 51:08
  Yeah. I don't know.
• 51:09
  It's kind of like a Cavalier a little bit.
• 51:12
  Yeah, it's giving 3 Musketeers. It's funny.
• 51:18
  I, I like it. It's not I, I don't not like it.
• 51:22
  It's funny. It just, to me it just feels
• 51:23
  like random for Will, but he's dressing up, I guess.
• 51:28
  I don't know. Also realizing for the first
• 51:30
  time the only new parts of his costume are the Cape and the
• 51:35
  hat. Yeah, Oh yeah, he's totally
• 51:37
  wearing the same vest underneath.
• 51:41
  But just those two additions make the whole thing look
• 51:45
  entirely different. Right, but who am I to judge?
• 51:49
  Because he and Elizabeth get together after she sees that
• 51:54
  hat. So yeah, maybe I need to take
• 51:57
  notes. She saw that hat and was like
• 51:59
  damn. She's like, I know I need a
• 52:01
  pirate, what's you might fit the bill now, I wasn't quite sure
• 52:05
  before. Oh my gosh, like that last line
• 52:08
  she says to her dad. She says something and like.
• 52:10
  No, he's a pirate. He's a pirate and his dad's
• 52:13
  like, oh, brother walks away. I was like, yeah, that's good.
• 52:18
  Her dad like, kind of does a double take almost like, Are you
• 52:20
  sure you don't want to marry Norrington?
• 52:22
  Yeah, Norrington is such an interesting character.
• 52:26
  You want to like him, but he's also such a narc.
• 52:30
  He is, he is. I mean, he grows on you through
• 52:36
  the movies. That ridiculous sword fight
• 52:39
  between the three of them, I don't know if it's in the second
• 52:42
  or third movie. That's where he really starts to
• 52:44
  grow on me. The second movie, The dead man's
• 52:47
  chest fight. Yeah, also cuz like, he's like,
• 52:51
  he has a beard. He's like kind of dirty.
• 52:53
  And I'm like, oh, Norrington. Oh, you're starting to look
• 52:56
  good. That's right up Elizabeth's
• 52:58
  alley on her scorecard. So yeah, that's such a great
• 53:04
  film. Yeah.
• 53:06
  Oh yeah. I could watch this movie all
• 53:08
  day. And I also think I'm going to
• 53:10
  start Dead Man's Chest tonight because I just at these films
• 53:14
  scratch like a special part of my brain that nothing else could
• 53:17
  really touch. Maybe like the Mummy, you know,
• 53:19
  like they're just perfect. It's that like childhood
• 53:23
  nostalgia. And I think it's also like, I
• 53:27
  think when we're kids, like we notice, we don't know why things
• 53:30
  are good, but like we notice they are and like they grab your
• 53:35
  attention. Like Lord of the Rings grabbed
• 53:38
  my attention, Mummy grabbed my attention as a kid.
• 53:41
  These movies grabbed my attention the way a lot of other
• 53:44
  stuff just didn't. Yeah, I mean, 'cause I think
• 53:47
  like as a kid, it feels very aspirational, right?
• 53:50
  Like, of course, like none of us listening to this podcast or on
• 53:53
  a podcast are pirates. I hope unless you are a pirate
• 53:57
  listening to a podcast, it's kind of cool.
• 53:59
  I don't know. But maybe double think what
• 54:02
  you're doing a little bit. Yeah, yeah, totally.
• 54:06
  But only legally sound pirating if there's such a thing that.
• 54:11
  Was the age of legally sound pirating.
• 54:13
  They just don't show it in this movie.
• 54:16
  Right. But it just like as a kid, it
• 54:19
  feels like aspirational. It just feels like a perfect
• 54:22
  fantasy story and you see yourself in these characters a
• 54:26
  little bit or this, the heroism just feels so real.
• 54:29
  But then as adults too, like they accomplished that.
• 54:32
  We see that they accomplished that by just the real
• 54:34
  immersiveness of this film and the research that took and the
• 54:39
  acting and just like the subtle references are in it that we
• 54:42
  would not have got as kids. So I just, I have like a new
• 54:45
  appreciation for it now as an adult as well.
• 54:47
  Oh yeah, it's absolutely. Like, there are very few things
• 54:51
  I consider perfect family films. This is one of them.
• 54:55
  It's it's fun and it's simple for kids, but there's so much
• 55:00
  humor and like like in the first movie, you start to see the like
• 55:05
  the beginnings of the love triangle, which like as a kid I
• 55:11
  didn't get like. Elizabeth's like what's
• 55:15
  happening? I don't like this.
• 55:18
  I like, you don't get it at first.
• 55:21
  Some of the humor you don't get, but then like as an adult you're
• 55:24
  like, Oh my gosh, this is even more hilarious.
• 55:27
  Yeah, I also like how not afraid Disney was to like, add some
• 55:32
  darkness to this as well. Yeah.
• 55:35
  You know, like they weren't afraid to add some horror or
• 55:38
  like honestly, like the fight scenes that were kind of like.
• 55:42
  They're intense. They're stabbing and killing
• 55:44
  people. Yeah, you know, And it even gets
• 55:48
  darker, I think once we get into the second, third film, they.
• 55:51
  Yeah, some interesting moments, Elizabeth.
• 55:54
  I think we need to whip out our new rating system.
• 55:58
  We need to whip out our needle and thread and see how many
• 56:01
  stitches this movie is. I like it.
• 56:03
  I like it. I like where you had the
• 56:05
  Elizabeth. How many stitches would he give
• 56:07
  parts of the Caribbean? The Curse of the Black Pearl.
• 56:10
  Honestly, it's a 5 stitch movie. This garment is held together.
• 56:15
  A professionals took extreme care and every single one of
• 56:21
  these stitches. This is AD tailed garment made
• 56:25
  only by Masters Spencer. It is.
• 56:29
  Everyone's wearing a white couture coat.
• 56:32
  I'm building this thing. Yeah, it it would take a lot to
• 56:37
  tear this movie apart. So yeah, it's, it's museum
• 56:40
  worthy. It stands up.
• 56:42
  Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
• 56:45
  I'm gonna give it 4.5 stitches out of five.
• 56:49
  I'm only docking the .5 because of Zoe Sedona's experience.
• 56:55
  Oh, that's a fairpoint. But if she came out.
• 56:59
  That should be our official rating.
• 57:01
  Our official rating is 4.5 stars.
• 57:03
  Alright, if she came out and said I actually love this movie
• 57:06
  and you should give it a 55 stitches I'll upgrade it but I
• 57:10
  feel very confident with a strong 4.5. 4.5 You've heard it
• 57:15
  here. Pirates of the Caribbean Curse
• 57:17
  of the Black Pearl is a 4.5 Stitch movie.
• 57:23
  Elizabeth I think we should take a quick break so when we come
• 57:26
  back we can play our favorite game.
• 57:28
  Absolutely. Hi, this is Dan, audio engineer
• 57:46
  of the podcast here to let you know that if you wanted to
• 57:50
  support the show, you can head over to the Art of
• 57:53
  costume.com/pod store. There you can buy some awesome T
• 57:58
  public merch with the podcast logo such as a shirt, coffee
• 58:03
  mug, stickers, and of course a baby onesie.
• 58:08
  Thanks for all your support. Music
• 58:30
  Elizabeth I am so excited to be back from break because that
• 58:34
  means we get to play our favorite game.
• 58:36
  We have to pick our favorite swashbuckling one costume that
• 58:41
  ruled them all. Are you ready?
• 58:43
  So ready. Hit it, Daniel, the one costume
• 58:48
  to rule them all. Spencer, what was your one
• 58:54
  costume to rule them all? This is this was a fun one.
• 58:59
  Honestly, it could have been really any of them, any of like
• 59:02
  the core characters, but I just have to go if Captain Barbosa's
• 59:06
  Rock'n'roll pirate costume with the hat.
• 59:09
  I just think it's such a cool costume and it's just like, if I
• 59:13
  were a pirate, this is what I would want to be like kind of
• 59:16
  wearing all black. Not totally, but you know,
• 59:19
  mostly dark with the cool gothy hat.
• 59:23
  I. See that?
• 59:24
  I see that. I see that for you.
• 59:26
  Yeah, I wouldn't do it for a monkey though, because we all
• 59:29
  know how I feel about monkeys. I'd maybe do, I don't know, like
• 59:33
  a sea Otter or something. I don't know.
• 59:37
  Yeah, yeah, I think you'd have a little Otter with you.
• 59:40
  You put a little vest on it. Oh yeah, that's good stuff right
• 59:44
  there. Elizabeth, what was your one
• 59:48
  costume? Roll them all, my one.
• 59:50
  Costume roll them all has got to be that of Captain Jack
• 59:54
  Sparrow's I mean Penny Rose like created an iconic look right
• 1:00:00
  here like this is what? We really base our idea of what
• 1:00:05
  a pirate is off of now. Like, you see a generic pirate
• 1:00:10
  costume, It's probably going to look like a Jack Sparrow
• 1:00:14
  costume, Yeah. It is what it is.
• 1:00:17
  Someone puts to like is like, oh, I don't know what to dress
• 1:00:19
  up like as a pirate. They're just going to dress up
• 1:00:22
  as Captain Jack Sparrow. Yeah, suddenly they have a red
• 1:00:25
  headband on a little, you know, clothing off the side.
• 1:00:29
  Some eyeliner. They're there.
• 1:00:33
  I was Captain Jack Sparrow for Halloween maybe three or four
• 1:00:37
  times. Like I had a costume, so.
• 1:00:39
  Much spent sense, yeah. I was committed to this costume
• 1:00:43
  and being Jack Sparrow, I don't think I ever painted the beard,
• 1:00:46
  but I always did the hat. And oh man, I gotta find
• 1:00:50
  pictures. I'll, I'll post it in our
• 1:00:52
  stories. Elizabeth, I'm also excited.
• 1:00:57
  Speaking of posting things on her stories and whatnot, some of
• 1:01:01
  her audience reached out with someone costume the rule of the
• 1:01:04
  malls for Pirates of the Caribbean.
• 1:01:06
  And there was quite a few of them.
• 1:01:08
  They were, actually. You could tell the pirate's love
• 1:01:10
  is universal. Yeah.
• 1:01:13
  So let's go through them. And this is all from Instagram.
• 1:01:16
  So at Leia Aurora, our friend Natalie said that her one
• 1:01:21
  costume rule of the mall was Elizabeth's Rum Island shift.
• 1:01:25
  Good one. That's a good one.
• 1:01:26
  That's a good one. I didn't even think of it as A1
• 1:01:28
  costume ruled them all until I watched it this time.
• 1:01:31
  It's fun, Victoria de Palma said.
• 1:01:34
  Elizabeth Swan's dress from when she had to eat dinner with
• 1:01:38
  Barbosa I. Almost chose that.
• 1:01:40
  I almost chose that. A Jedi Manda said nothing can
• 1:01:44
  beat the OG Captain Jack Sparrow so you two are aligned which I
• 1:01:49
  get. I mean honestly it Jack Sparrow
• 1:01:51
  is one of the most iconic characters of all time.
• 1:01:54
  It's just he just is and then people start to get into their
• 1:01:59
  grievances about the film. Let's see Marissa AI design
• 1:02:03
  said. Still wish James Norrington was
• 1:02:05
  the 2nd male lead because fire emoji.
• 1:02:09
  James Norrington has some love in the comments here.
• 1:02:13
  Agree with her come the second film.
• 1:02:15
  The same, yeah, once we get into #2.
• 1:02:18
  Once he's got that one off, he's in all of them.
• 1:02:21
  Yeah. Well, no, yeah, he's in the
• 1:02:23
  first three. Yeah, Yeah, I think.
• 1:02:25
  Did he die? I don't know.
• 1:02:27
  I want to say he, I think he kicks the bucket in the third
• 1:02:30
  one and I think it's kind of sad actually, right?
• 1:02:32
  I think it is. I think he saved somebody.
• 1:02:34
  I think. Does he save Jack?
• 1:02:36
  Oh my gosh, I think I trauma blocked into this moment.
• 1:02:39
  Thanks a lot Marissa AI designed for bringing back my James
• 1:02:43
  Norrington trauma, Robert JC Pugh said.
• 1:02:49
  Gotta be Elizabeth's party dress from the beginning.
• 1:02:51
  So iconic. Referring to the corset over the
• 1:02:54
  edge moment, which I get. Oh and then when Jack like rips
• 1:02:59
  the corset off. Yes, Oh my gosh, That whole
• 1:03:01
  scene where she falls over and you see her plummeting through
• 1:03:05
  the ocean, the way the fabric. Goes and.
• 1:03:08
  Then his response. He's not gonna save her till
• 1:03:11
  nobody else will. Like you gonna save her.
• 1:03:14
  I gotta do it. OK, and to mention, Jack Sparrow
• 1:03:18
  clearly knows how to, you know, take a corset or two off it
• 1:03:22
  seems like 'cause he he knew exactly what the problem was and
• 1:03:26
  how to fix that sound. Oh yeah, so like Neuters on
• 1:03:33
  Instagram said Pirate King Elizabeth from World's End.
• 1:03:35
  So now we're getting into they're just saying this all
• 1:03:37
  their one costumes ruin them alls from the Pirates franchise,
• 1:03:40
  which I'm pretty confident if we are watching at World's End,
• 1:03:43
  that would be Elizabeth's one costume that ruled them all.
• 1:03:46
  Also Pirate. King.
• 1:03:48
  There's a lot of good ones in that movie.
• 1:03:51
  I don't know. Yeah, I feel like mine would
• 1:03:54
  still have to be one of the council members, but.
• 1:03:58
  And then someone mentioned a Cambria 3218.
• 1:04:01
  Their one costume will the mall was Blackbeard from the 4th
• 1:04:05
  movie. So I kind of go back and rewatch
• 1:04:07
  that one 'cause it doesn't. I remember him looking cool
• 1:04:10
  cool. Yeah.
• 1:04:12
  I don't remember the costume too much, but they also mentioned
• 1:04:15
  that the younger brother was on the camera crew for parts of
• 1:04:18
  Caribbean. Can you imagine working on
• 1:04:20
  Pirates of Caribbean and how that would be all over my dating
• 1:04:23
  profile? Of course it would be.
• 1:04:27
  That's all it would be. It'd just be pictures of me like
• 1:04:29
  doing like the peace sign or the duck face on like this set be
• 1:04:33
  like me and me and my best friend.
• 1:04:35
  And it'd be like Barbosa, like calling management on me.
• 1:04:40
  Elizabeth. This was such a fun episode.
• 1:04:43
  And if everyone else agreed, if they have their one costume,
• 1:04:47
  rule them alls to share with us. Don't forget to leave us a
• 1:04:51
  voicemail at 626-515-1826 or e-mail us at
• 1:04:56
  theartofcostume@gmail.com. I'd be happy to read your
• 1:04:59
  comments on a podcast in our next episode.
• 1:05:03
  Elizabeth, next week we are continuing Hot Girl Summer, but
• 1:05:06
  we are watching a show that you actually quite love and have
• 1:05:10
  been begging me to watch for such a long time.
• 1:05:13
  And next episode, we're finally doing it.
• 1:05:15
  What are we watching? Spencer I am so excited we will
• 1:05:20
  be watching only murderers in the building.
• 1:05:25
  Yeah. For hot girls of any age, yeah.
• 1:05:30
  It's such a fun season, so I've only seen season three, but I'll
• 1:05:35
  go back and I'll watch seasons one and two for you.
• 1:05:38
  It has one of your favorite people in it.
• 1:05:40
  That has a lot of my favorite people in it.
• 1:05:44
  This show is chocked full of the most excellent cameos.
• 1:05:47
  And Elizabeth, we're not going to be doing this alone.
• 1:05:50
  We're going to be having a special guest on for an
• 1:05:52
  interview about Season 3. None other than costume designer
• 1:05:58
  Dana Kova Rubius will be talking to us.
• 1:06:00
  I I cannot wait to hear your conversation with her.
• 1:06:04
  I'm so excited. It was a fun one.
• 1:06:07
  We already did that interview and Elizabeth sent in all of her
• 1:06:10
  questions and we get all of those questions answered.
• 1:06:13
  So it's going to be a lot of fun.
• 1:06:16
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• 1:06:26
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• 1:06:41
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• 1:06:48
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• 1:06:51
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• 1:06:55
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• 1:06:58
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• 1:07:00
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• 1:07:04
  Stay cool out in the high seas. Stay cool, try not to play with
• 1:07:10
  any like questionable gold and big chest.
• 1:07:14
  Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:15
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• 1:07:22
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