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The Esoteric Symbolism of Severance · Ryder Lee

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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to channel. Okay, okay, Today we have a
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Speaker 1: very special episode and it's going to be all about
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Speaker 1: severance up until season two at least. We don't have
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Speaker 1: season three available, so if you're watching this in the future,
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Speaker 1: there's probably another episode on my channel or even our
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Speaker 1: guests will probably be doing something for season three eventually
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Speaker 1: when we get more answers to what's going on in
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Speaker 1: this show. So I would like to welcome our guest,
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Speaker 1: Riderly of Raised by Giants.
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Speaker 2: Welcome, how's it one of my friend Thanks for having
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Speaker 2: me on, really appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you're'n familiar with Riderly, he
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Speaker 1: has a YouTube channel, like I said, called Raised by Giants,
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Speaker 1: but he also has a documentary called a Clockwork Shining
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Speaker 1: and it's super interesting. And I have a film degree,
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Speaker 1: so I've always been fascinated with Hollywood and filmmaking it
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Speaker 1: and everything and Cooper because such an interesting person in
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Speaker 1: that industry and your documentary and all the connection if
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Speaker 1: you talk about with mk Ultrali and everything and that
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Speaker 1: is just so amazing. So if you haven't go watched that,
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Speaker 1: and before we get started, do you want to kind
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Speaker 1: of promote that or anything, and give us any kind
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Speaker 1: of background or detail on yourself and you'll work.
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Speaker 2: Yes. I have actually two documentaries on Amazon Prime and
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Speaker 2: on to be the first one is jfk X Solving
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Speaker 2: the Crime of the Century that you can watch on
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Speaker 2: Amazon Prime Free V. You can also watch it on
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Speaker 2: TB and A Clockwork Shining that you just mentioned, which
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Speaker 2: is an examination of Stanley Q. Bricks work mostly on
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Speaker 2: the Shining and what we believe is actually going on
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Speaker 2: with the Shining through all the symbolism, what is he
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Speaker 2: actually really trying to tell us Because there's so many
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Speaker 2: different theories surrounding what the Shining is really about. It's
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Speaker 2: a movie that has been you know, put through the
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Speaker 2: ringer when it comes to theories, you know, moon landing theories,
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Speaker 2: which Jay Widener is the one, his company is the
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Speaker 2: one that produced this movie along with me, and he
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Speaker 2: is in the movie and he, you know, put together
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Speaker 2: that Stanley Kubrick was essentially saying that he faked the
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Speaker 2: Apollo eleven moon landings in his first two movies, A
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Speaker 2: Kubrick's Odyssey one and A Kubik's Odyssey three. So this
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Speaker 2: movie is like a quase sequel to his two prior
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Speaker 2: movies on Stanley Kubrick. The full title is A Clockwork
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Speaker 2: Shining at Kubrick's Odyssey three. So we've believe that we
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Speaker 2: figured out exactly what was going on with Stanley cube breaking,
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Speaker 2: exactly what he was trying to tell us within the Shining,
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Speaker 2: and it gets very detailed. Is you know, I've put
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Speaker 2: a lot of work, in a lot of effort into
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Speaker 2: making the movie, so I hope people go out and
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Speaker 2: support it. You can just type it in on Amazon Prime,
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Speaker 2: A Clockwork Shining. It'll be the first thing to pop up,
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Speaker 2: and you can also look it up on to Be
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Speaker 2: anywhere that you can get the two B app you
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Speaker 2: can watch the movie A Clockwork Shining. So anyone that's listening,
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Speaker 2: please go out there and support those movies because it
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Speaker 2: gives us the ability to continue making movies and continue
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Speaker 2: making documentaries.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, definitely check that out. I think it's interesting
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Speaker 1: what you just said there about how Kubrick's work kind
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Speaker 1: of is a braids from film to film. One of
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Speaker 1: my earliest videos on this channel was comparing the film
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Speaker 1: Society with Ies White Shut, and we were jewing the
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Speaker 1: symbolic connections that whole series. I refer to as the
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Speaker 1: Deep Drive in as we're esoterically comparing contrasting similar movies
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Speaker 1: with similar symbols and concepts, and in it we mentioned
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Speaker 1: that in Ice White Shut at the beginning of that film,
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Speaker 1: when Nicole Kidman's character is getting ready for the Christmas
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Speaker 1: ball dance thing event that they're going to a party,
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Speaker 1: there is some tennis rackets in her room, and it's
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Speaker 1: theorized that Nicole Kidman's character is the adult version of
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Speaker 1: the Lolita character because she awsome by tennis, and it's
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Speaker 1: other things in her room that kind of indicate that.
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Speaker 1: And so he has kind of this like overarching all
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Speaker 1: his movies are almost like one large body of work.
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Speaker 2: Which would make sense because the abuse from Sue Lyon
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Speaker 2: in the movie Lolita, what she was making the movie about,
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Speaker 2: was actually happening to her in real life. You know.
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Speaker 2: It's all about sexual abuse and basically a fourteen year
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Speaker 2: old girl being with a grown man, and that was
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Speaker 2: happening to her on the side with Cubrick's producer James Harris. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: James Harris was doing to her what she was acting
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Speaker 2: in the movie about, which would make sense because the
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Speaker 2: whole thing about aswad shut is really like you know,
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Speaker 2: traumatic events being put into the secret organization, you know,
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Speaker 2: and you know orgies, sex and orgies, you know. So
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Speaker 2: I mean I would have to look into that a
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Speaker 2: little bit more, but that's really interesting and it does
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Speaker 2: seem like that that plays a role in a lot
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Speaker 2: of Hubrick's movies that he just kind of symbolically ties
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Speaker 2: a lot of them together. I mean, when you look
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Speaker 2: at a clockwork orange, I mean, he had to have
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Speaker 2: known about the mk Ultra programs when he made that movie.
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Speaker 2: That entire movie is about mk Ultra. It's about mind
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Speaker 2: controlling people through movies and through drugs to do things
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Speaker 2: that they wouldn't do under normal circumstances. And then you
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Speaker 2: go you fast forward into The Shining. Well then you
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Speaker 2: also have like you know, Full Metal Jacket, which is
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Speaker 2: essentially that same type of thing as well. But the
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Speaker 2: Shining with the with Jack essentially wanting to kill his family,
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Speaker 2: you know, it's an experiment that's being ran up there.
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Speaker 2: Alman is a part of the bill. His assistant is
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Speaker 2: I believe, is the head of the experiment up there.
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Speaker 2: I mean a mountain in the middle of the winter,
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Speaker 2: in the top of the mountain in Colorado. That's the
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Speaker 2: perfect place to do some sort of CIA MK ultra
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Speaker 2: experiment to try and get this person to see, to
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Speaker 2: try and get him to see if they can get
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Speaker 2: him to murder his family. And you know, Almon basically
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Speaker 2: sets up that entire scene from the first ten minutes
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Speaker 2: of the movie when he's talking to Jack. He's like, listen,
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Speaker 2: this isn't a this isn't a physically demanding job. This
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Speaker 2: is a psychological job. This is a psychological operation that
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Speaker 2: you're gonna have to go through up here. And by
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Speaker 2: the way, the person before you also went through a
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Speaker 2: psychological operation up here and killed his wife and family,
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Speaker 2: his wife and two daughters with an act. Okay, so
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Speaker 2: he's setting up the entire movie from the very beginning
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Speaker 2: and letting you know exactly what is going to happen
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Speaker 2: to Jack throughout the rest of the movie.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the idea of a shining kind of
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Speaker 1: ability and like kind of psychic kids, and like the
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Speaker 1: whole like kind of moonchild kind of idea of it all.
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Speaker 1: And then of course you got the work that David
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Speaker 1: charl Charles Plate did with a shining forwards and backwards
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Speaker 1: and how if you folded in on itself. That reversed
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Speaker 1: version of the film is essentially what his son is seeing,
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Speaker 1: what Jack's son is seeing when he has his shining
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Speaker 1: ability right, and just how synchronistic and symbolic because some
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Speaker 1: of the overlaying is in that Like one example, of course,
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Speaker 1: is when his wife is holding the base all bat
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Speaker 1: and walking around is overlaid with Jack throwing the boss,
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Speaker 1: that they're playing a game together and everything, and you
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Speaker 1: could say some of this is, you know, just coincidence
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Speaker 1: or whatever, but when you're when it happened so fluidly
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Speaker 1: through that movie in that fashion, and it's it's so prevalent,
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Speaker 1: especially when editing back then wasn't like editing now where
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Speaker 1: you can open up premiere and lay your your videos
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Speaker 1: together and everything and time everything out perfectly and you
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Speaker 1: don't have to worry about making a mistake because then
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Speaker 1: you can just re edit it and everything. Back then,
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Speaker 1: you know, they was in a dock room, they had
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Speaker 1: a film, they had a slice and everything, and so
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Speaker 1: it was very more much more tedious of work, so
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Speaker 1: they had to be very purposeful with every shot in
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Speaker 1: every cut, same thing with every set piece. You know,
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Speaker 1: why would they have like tennis, rackets and all of this.
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Speaker 1: It's purposely someone had to put that there in the
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Speaker 1: set design, right, and so we see Cooprick as this
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Speaker 1: very purposeful creator. So I think it's all very fascinating.
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Speaker 1: But to get onto the subject of severance though, ah,
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Speaker 1: you are already on your channel on Raised by Giants
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Speaker 1: have a whole other deco video with one on one
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Speaker 1: from the one on one podcasts. And so if anyone
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Speaker 1: else wants more after they watched this video that there's
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Speaker 1: a whole other video on Raised by Giant it's over
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Speaker 1: Severance as well. And you guys made some pretty interesting
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Speaker 1: points set speaking of psychological impay ultra kind of programs,
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Speaker 1: that's pretty much what you could say is going on
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Speaker 1: in sevens right from I mean the whole this whole
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Speaker 1: idea of going to work and having a whole other consciousness.
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Speaker 1: Do you know, just do go through the work, and
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Speaker 1: you know, the work is mysterious and even they don't
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Speaker 1: even fully understand what they are doing. They're they're just
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Speaker 1: kind of doing what they're told because they're like more
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Speaker 1: infantile consciousness. They're not fully equipped with a more in depth,
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Speaker 1: layered kind of thinking. Almost one could say, and then
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Speaker 1: you know, they go home and they are go back
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Speaker 1: to their quote quote unquote original consciousness.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really fascinating and interesting show. And I
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Speaker 2: mean the whole thing starts out with them having to
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Speaker 2: put an implant in their head. Okay, so they get
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Speaker 2: a hold of drilled into their head, they get an
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Speaker 2: implant in their head, which then turns them into a
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Speaker 2: severed person when they're at work, and then they don't
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Speaker 2: remember anything that happened at work, and then they call
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Speaker 2: them audis an innies. So the innie is when you're
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Speaker 2: at work, you're a different consciousness, and whenever you're outside
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Speaker 2: of work, at your home or like doing whatever your
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Speaker 2: normal life is, you're a different person. And then they
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Speaker 2: call that the audi. So the audi doesn't know what
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Speaker 2: the an he's doing. The inn he doesn't know what
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Speaker 2: the out he's doing. So that's why it's called severed,
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Speaker 2: because you're basically severed from this other version of you.
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Speaker 2: And what's super interesting is that that's the way that
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Speaker 2: bees also work. Right, So bees, whenever they're in the hive,
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Speaker 2: like they are essentially controlled by the mother bee. They're
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Speaker 2: essentially brainwashed and mind controlled by the queen Bee. Okay,
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Speaker 2: then whenever they're outside of the hive, they're back to
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Speaker 2: their own individual person. So there's a connection there with
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Speaker 2: bees and the ways that the bees behave. And then
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Speaker 2: when you look at the first episode of the New
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Speaker 2: Black Mirror Show, it's basically all about the bees, but
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Speaker 2: you don't see the bees, but the lady talks about
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Speaker 2: how bees have been replaced by robot bees, and the
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Speaker 2: robot bes are essentially responsible for a lot of the
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Speaker 2: problems that are going on. It's giving people headaches, and
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Speaker 2: she ends up having a tumor, and then guess what happens.
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Speaker 2: A doctor comes to them and drills a hole in
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Speaker 2: the back of her head and puts an implant in
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Speaker 2: her head in order for her to be like animated
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Speaker 2: and be around. But then she can't go outside of
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Speaker 2: the area where they have all the towers set up,
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Speaker 2: or she loses consciousness again, and she's then essentially like
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Speaker 2: a shawl of a human being.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. What that? What that makes me also think of
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Speaker 1: is this idea of like skull capping or scalping and
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Speaker 1: some poultures, but metaphysically, a lot of people who do
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Speaker 1: have out of body experiences and also project they will
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Speaker 1: say that they don't. Hollywood may show you that it's
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Speaker 1: an elite forward when people ask for a projective in
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Speaker 1: movies and TV shows, like it's just stepping out of
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Speaker 1: your body. There's more real life examples of people killing
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Speaker 1: their experiences and they felt like it's a pop and
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Speaker 1: like they got sucked out of the back of their head.
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Speaker 1: And we see that in season two when Mark, the
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Speaker 1: main character, is trying to remerge his too any and
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Speaker 1: out of consciousness back into one and the scientist, the
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Speaker 1: doctor is like drilling and she's like, oh, you already
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Speaker 1: have a hole in your head and the like you know,
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Speaker 1: she's like drilling into it to kind of refigure that
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Speaker 1: his brain waves and all that and get that essentially
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Speaker 1: newer link, right it's and it's kind of like the
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Speaker 1: nearer link kind of device from his head.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what's going on in The Black Mirror
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Speaker 2: episode two. And it's just wild that we have all
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Speaker 2: of these movies and these TV shows now diving deep
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Speaker 2: into the brain implant and the brain chip, because that's
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Speaker 2: what people think is going to be happening in our reality,
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Speaker 2: and it is happening in our reality. Elon Musk with
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Speaker 2: his neurallink implant. I mean, that's already a thing. It's
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Speaker 2: approved for human trials. I mean, Joe Rogan just had
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Speaker 2: one of the first neuralink implant people on his show, right,
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Speaker 2: And I think that that is the big fear because
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Speaker 2: a lot of times fictional things mimic fears of what
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Speaker 2: we think we're going through in our reality, right, Like
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Speaker 2: the UFO phenomenon, like extraterrestrial phenomenon is a mimicking of
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Speaker 2: the fears that we have. Okay, So whenever we're fearful
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Speaker 2: about war or nuclear destruction, the people that are having
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Speaker 2: alien contact experiences get information about war and nuclear destruction.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 2: So it's like this this echoing about our fears. And
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Speaker 2: I find that really suspicious that whatever it is that
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Speaker 2: we believe in, the extraterrestrials also believe in. Okay, they're
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Speaker 2: giving us. If it's about World War three, they'll be like,
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Speaker 2: you guys need peace, you know. If it's about pollution,
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Speaker 2: if it's about cleaning up the oceans or whatever, they'll
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Speaker 2: say that that you guys need to be more eco friendly,
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Speaker 2: you guys need to clean up everything. You know. It's
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Speaker 2: like the fears of what society is going through at
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Speaker 2: that time is then related back to us from some
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Speaker 2: what we perceive as an external source, when it's not
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Speaker 2: really an external source. It's just us being reflected back
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Speaker 2: the way that we feel in our fears. Because I
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Speaker 2: don't think that it's a coincidence that every single contact you,
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Speaker 2: whatever is going on in the modern day is the
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Speaker 2: information that they get. So they're only getting information that
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Speaker 2: they already know about that they are already fearful of. Okay,
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Speaker 2: So you're just going within yourself and you're you know,
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Speaker 2: contacting your whatever you want to call as like your
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Speaker 2: higher self, and you're getting your fears and you're getting
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Speaker 2: your insecurities reflected back to you. And I think that's
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Speaker 2: the way with fictional things as well. Whatever we're going
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Speaker 2: through in the present moment is what then gets interpreted
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Speaker 2: on the screen. So or fearful of an AI takeover,
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Speaker 2: we're fearful of robotics and how powerful AI is going
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Speaker 2: to be in like this AI god. That's ultimately what's
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Speaker 2: going to be transferred onto the screen, because that is
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Speaker 2: the interesting thing, that is the thing that people want
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Speaker 2: to see. Those are their fears coming to life, And
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Speaker 2: I think it's a coincidence when some of those fears
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Speaker 2: gets transferred onto the television or on TV in movies.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Kubrick has been known to do this for
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Speaker 2: a really long time. The things that he does in
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Speaker 2: his movies then somehow become reality. It's almost a version
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Speaker 2: of like manifestation. Right in the shining. He had the
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Speaker 2: book A Catcher in the Rye a year before the
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Speaker 2: two assassination the biggest two assassinations happened that involved the
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Speaker 2: book Catcher in the Ruine. Okay, so how did he
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Speaker 2: know that? Was that life imitating or imitating life?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like this. It's like this called kind of
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Speaker 1: like dull kind of mechanism that we have. And I remember,
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Speaker 1: like back in high school, I watched I forget what
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Speaker 1: the name of the documentary is now, but I watched
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Speaker 1: the documentary over the history of horror films, and of
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Speaker 1: course they bring it back to like all folklores and
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Speaker 1: folkills and urban legends and myth and all that. And
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Speaker 1: what stuck with me till this day is in it
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Speaker 1: they they lay out this idea that every decade or so,
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Speaker 1: whatever the the like popular horror device whatever, that fear
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Speaker 1: is that's driving the popular genre reflection of like the
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Speaker 1: current zach geist or whatever. The the current you know, uh,
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Speaker 1: youthful generation is kind of struggling whatever their shadow is essentially,
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Speaker 1: and that sticks out to me. Another thing that makes
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Speaker 1: me think of is Brent Merling, who has done movies
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Speaker 1: like Another Earth, a Sign of My Voice, she did
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Speaker 1: The OA, and most recently, Uh, she did a show
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Speaker 1: on FX called A Murder at the End of the
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Speaker 1: World and it was like this modern take on Akatha
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Speaker 1: Christie like murder Mystery, but it all had it. It
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Speaker 1: was set in in the Arctic where and there was
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Speaker 1: like a retreat for all the great minds of the
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Speaker 1: modern era, like all the big Silicon Valley guys and
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Speaker 1: everything all met up in the Arctic to try to
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Speaker 1: figure out a environmental solution to the environmental disasters of
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Speaker 1: our times and everything. And they were all thinking about
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Speaker 1: AI and the hotel that they are staying at, this
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Speaker 1: high tech hotel is all ran by AI and uh
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Speaker 1: it's and that's where they're in this Arctic AI hotel.
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Speaker 1: That's when they start dying one by one and they
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Speaker 1: have as uh mystery solver the or to you know,
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Speaker 1: go through Cholock homb style and try to solve the
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Speaker 1: mystery of it. But in it she says the reason
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Speaker 1: why she wanted to do Akata Christie kind of murder
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Speaker 1: mystery is because when Agatha Christian was popular and all that,
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Speaker 1: that was at the start of the Industrial Revolution and
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Speaker 1: the war and all this like this uh fear of
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Speaker 1: what was happening with the war and industrialized society and everything,
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Speaker 1: and uh, Brett Marley realized that that was a reflection
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Speaker 1: that Akatha Christy kind of murder mysteries was a reflection
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Speaker 1: of society at the time, and so she wanted to
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Speaker 1: bring that and we've uh doing to modern times and
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Speaker 1: kind of asks this question of the ethical ramifications of
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Speaker 1: AI and so she's she kind of uses that kind
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Speaker 1: of like are versus reality kind of mirroring back at
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Speaker 1: each other, and certain things that they say in a
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Speaker 1: Murder at the End of the World would later on
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Speaker 1: happened just a couple of months after the show was released,
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Speaker 1: and so it was it was a really interesting thing.
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Speaker 1: And so I think that is exactly what you're talking about.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of things like that, and what
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Speaker 2: is horror movies harkening back to Right now, at this moment,
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Speaker 2: they're harkening back to serial killers. I've seen several horror
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Speaker 2: movies in the past six months that all revolve around
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Speaker 2: serial killers. So now they're bringing back the serial killer
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Speaker 2: motif because true crime is the most popular genre of
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Speaker 2: anything online. Okay, and you just brought up a few
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Speaker 2: things there, like the OA. I freaking love THEA. Did
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Speaker 2: you watch both seasons of the OA?
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Speaker 1: Yes?
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Speaker 2: Okay, So people interpret the OA wrong, especially when the
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Speaker 2: ending of the OA. So if you haven't seen the OA,
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Speaker 2: go watch it because I'm gonna ruin it. Stop this
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Speaker 2: and go watch it, or I'm going to ruin the
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Speaker 2: entire thing. But if you don't mind me ruined in
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Speaker 2: the entire thing, then keep listening. So at the end
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Speaker 2: of the OA, at the end of season two, the
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Speaker 2: guy goes up to the top of the house. He
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Speaker 2: looks through the rose collared sting glass. Right then he
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Speaker 2: sees the main character there as like an angel, and
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Speaker 2: then the angel falls down. Okay. Then he looks out
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Speaker 2: and he sees that everybody is on like a set.
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Speaker 2: So in this alternate reality, everybody is like they're actors
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Speaker 2: in like a play. They're on like a movie set. Okay.
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Speaker 2: That is the truth that nobody can handle. That's why
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Speaker 2: no one can handle looking out of the rose glass window, okay,
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Speaker 2: because when they do, they realize that all of this
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Speaker 2: is fake and their brains can't handle it. That's what
25:52
Speaker 2: they're trying to tell you at the end of that show,
25:57
Speaker 2: that the entire thing is fake. This reality is fake.
26:01
Speaker 2: It is not real. This is not a real reality.
26:04
Speaker 2: This is a play, this is a stage, okay, and
26:07
Speaker 2: people can't hand it. That's why they die. That's why
26:10
Speaker 2: you saw several people go up to the rose collar
26:12
Speaker 2: window and try and look out it, and then they
26:14
Speaker 2: die because they can't comprehend that none of this is real.
26:20
Speaker 2: And that's what the Way is trying to tell you.
26:22
Speaker 2: And that goes by goes over so many people's heads
26:27
Speaker 2: whenever they watch it, because they're concentrated on her like
26:30
Speaker 2: essentially being the angel and then falling down to like Earth.
26:33
Speaker 2: They look at it in like a Christian context of
26:37
Speaker 2: you know, like thor following to Earth or you know,
26:39
Speaker 2: Jesus being crucified and then falling down and like going
26:43
Speaker 2: to Hell. But that's not what it is.
26:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more it's more metaphysical, and I'm glad you
26:48
Speaker 1: mentioned that, and that people who watch my channel will
26:56
Speaker 1: know that we refer to that as God being playwright.
27:00
Speaker 1: We have a whole kind of mini series on our
27:03
Speaker 1: channel where we basically call everything for being fake and
27:09
Speaker 1: we we go over this idea of the world states
27:14
Speaker 1: and what does that really mean. So it's it's an
27:17
Speaker 1: interesting topic. So I'm so glad that you brought that
27:21
Speaker 1: up and you made that point about the ending of
27:24
Speaker 1: The Oway. I had something about the Away that connects
27:29
Speaker 1: back to severance. Is So when I first watched season
27:36
Speaker 1: two of The Oway before the night before I started it,
27:42
Speaker 1: I just randomly decided to watch, uh, the Frints film
27:49
Speaker 1: Orpheus from like the sixties, and didn't have any exact
27:57
Speaker 1: reason too. I just was like looking for a movie
27:59
Speaker 1: to fine, and I was like, oh, I haven't seen
28:02
Speaker 1: this one before, so I'll watch it. And I put
28:04
Speaker 1: it on and I enjoyed it. The practical effects and
28:10
Speaker 1: everything in it is really well done. It's it holds up.
28:14
Speaker 1: It's a well done movie. And then the flash forward
28:17
Speaker 1: twenty four hours later, I'm I'm benching The Away season
28:22
Speaker 1: two and I'm like, man, this is just so close
28:28
Speaker 1: to Orpheus, like they had to be inspired by Orpheus
28:33
Speaker 1: uh in this in this story. And then you get
28:39
Speaker 1: to that scene where in the Way season two where
28:44
Speaker 1: they're trying to communicate across timelines and they're using their
28:49
Speaker 1: electric electrical uh kind of magnet field to change the
28:55
Speaker 1: TV channels from the other dimension to try to do
29:00
Speaker 1: like a code on the TV by flipping through all
29:03
Speaker 1: the different channels, kind of like how Bumblebee talks in
29:07
Speaker 1: the Transformers film how he kind of seeing through radio waves,
29:11
Speaker 1: and they're doing that with the TV, and one of
29:13
Speaker 1: the clips that they use to symbolize that they're on
29:19
Speaker 1: the on a different timeline is a clip from that
29:24
Speaker 1: French Orpheus movie. And I was like, one of the
29:28
Speaker 1: changes that I watched this nineteen sixties Friends film and
29:33
Speaker 1: then the next day I bens the Away season two,
29:37
Speaker 1: and they're obviously they're conscious of them using the Orpheus
29:42
Speaker 1: smith as a template because they're they're using a film
29:46
Speaker 1: adaption of it in one of the scenes. And I
29:50
Speaker 1: had a very similar experience when I watched season two
29:55
Speaker 1: of Severance. I was like, this just kind of getting
29:58
Speaker 1: kind of like again, like the myth of Orpheus, and
30:02
Speaker 1: then I just googled Orpheus severance and there was multiple
30:08
Speaker 1: articles about Ben Steeler talking about the inspiration to seventh
30:13
Speaker 1: season two being Orpheus.
30:20
Speaker 2: Well, there's another thing within the OA that is that
30:24
Speaker 2: essentially predicts the future. Do you remember in season two
30:28
Speaker 2: when she wakes up in the hospital. Oh, yeah, she
30:32
Speaker 2: looks at she looks at the TV screen and Joe
30:36
Speaker 2: Biden is president.
30:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, Biden Biden was president. Yeah, and that.
30:41
Speaker 2: And Biden had not become president yet yep.
30:44
Speaker 1: It was still Obama at the time.
30:47
Speaker 2: Yep. So it was like a crazy prediction. That's when
30:52
Speaker 2: I actually seen it when I was doing a short
30:56
Speaker 2: video of the OA for my channel and I was
30:59
Speaker 2: going back and like trying to get some clips from it,
31:01
Speaker 2: and I didn't recognize it the first time because I
31:04
Speaker 2: watched it like way back, like I don't know, six
31:07
Speaker 2: seven years ago, and and I've seen the clip and
31:13
Speaker 2: I looked it up and it was like, you know,
31:16
Speaker 2: I think it was like two years before twenty twenty,
31:19
Speaker 2: before Joe Biden never ever became president. She's waking up
31:22
Speaker 2: in the hospital and Joe Biden as president on the TV.
31:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, And uh so an interesting thing about seference to
31:35
Speaker 1: draw on on that that orphious connection, and he also
31:40
Speaker 1: gets into mystery schools and the Masonic symbolism of severance.
31:48
Speaker 1: So we have the main character Mark who gets the
31:52
Speaker 1: job at Luman the company because in the beginning he
32:00
Speaker 1: thinks is his wife Druma is dead and so he
32:05
Speaker 1: just can't handle that grief. So it's like, well, mine
32:09
Speaker 1: as well gets get severed and then that that's like
32:11
Speaker 1: what eight plus hours, I don't have to be thinking
32:14
Speaker 1: about my my my dead wife. And so he gets
32:19
Speaker 1: the drop of of at Lumen and it's all going,
32:26
Speaker 1: you know, well at the you know, at the beginning,
32:30
Speaker 1: and then after one of his colleagues PD leaves and
32:38
Speaker 1: then his pds Audi is trying to get in contact
32:44
Speaker 1: with Mark's Audi, but Mark marks out he doesn't know him.
32:51
Speaker 1: And that's kind of like his Mattrix wake up call
32:54
Speaker 1: is kind of like the rabbit at the beginning of
32:57
Speaker 1: Als the Wonderland, like him, uh seeing Pete who was
33:04
Speaker 1: attempted to re merge his Indian Audi, which for him
33:10
Speaker 1: it fell. Then Pete ended up dying, but that's kind
33:16
Speaker 1: of Mark's wake up call. And then Mark becomes the
33:24
Speaker 1: new kind of manager lead of his office group, and
33:35
Speaker 1: they introduced a new character name Helly, and our whole
33:41
Speaker 1: name is Helly R, which made me think of the
33:46
Speaker 1: documentary series Hellier. Yeah, so I was thinking of like, oh,
33:53
Speaker 1: her name's Helly, and I didn't think about two much
33:56
Speaker 1: again until the orpheous connection came and go shes persephone.
34:04
Speaker 1: And so that's why her name is Helly or Helena.
34:08
Speaker 1: She is, you know, the kind of the the royalty
34:12
Speaker 1: of this corporate underworld since she has uh, you know,
34:17
Speaker 1: the Keeterer bloodline. She doesn't have the fire of Keetter
34:25
Speaker 1: as a AUDI, which we can get to that in
34:28
Speaker 1: a moment, like her Any does.
34:31
Speaker 2: But her dad, her dad thinks that her Any has
34:34
Speaker 2: a fire of her and her though, and that was
34:38
Speaker 2: a genius part on the writers been still a writing.
34:40
Speaker 2: This whole thing is that we didn't know any of
34:43
Speaker 2: Helly's background at all because we didn't show her. They
34:47
Speaker 2: didn't show her what she does as an AUDI through
34:50
Speaker 2: the entire first season. So that was like a really
34:53
Speaker 2: big reveal during the last episode of the first season
34:56
Speaker 2: was that Helly R is essential an infiltrator into the
35:03
Speaker 2: the lumen, which is the name of the company where
35:06
Speaker 2: they're severed at, and she essentially runs the entire thing
35:13
Speaker 2: while she's being severed inside of Lumen, but her Inni
35:18
Speaker 2: doesn't know that, and her Inni doesn't know that until
35:21
Speaker 2: the end of the first season whenever they essentially do
35:27
Speaker 2: this override system where their anis are able to be
35:33
Speaker 2: outside of Lumen and you know, discover what their realities
35:40
Speaker 2: actually do. And I thought that that was really genius writing.
35:44
Speaker 2: I was like hooked to the edge of my seat
35:47
Speaker 2: during the entire thing. I was like, this is wild,
35:51
Speaker 2: super wild. But then then when you look at like
35:54
Speaker 2: the like even the symbolism within this show, the Wall
36:00
Speaker 2: Full Party two is very masonic. It's a it's like
36:05
Speaker 2: a ritual almost. They have the dancers out there dancing
36:08
Speaker 2: on a black and white checkerboard floor, and then you
36:11
Speaker 2: have what's her name, the ball so that got fired
36:15
Speaker 2: from Lumen. Do you remember what her name was? Corbel?
36:23
Speaker 2: Corbell got Corbel got fired from Lumen. And then she's
36:27
Speaker 2: at home like going through like her little hissy fit
36:31
Speaker 2: at home, and the two scenes mirror each other. I mean,
36:34
Speaker 2: we're talking about mirroring here a lot today, you know,
36:37
Speaker 2: reality mirroring art are mirroring reality, and that's essentially what
36:43
Speaker 2: Ben Stiller is doing in this show, is he's mirroring
36:50
Speaker 2: scenes at the same time or harkening back to older
36:53
Speaker 2: scenes within that. And then whenever he's at the waffle
36:56
Speaker 2: party and they're doing the dance on the checkerboard floor,
37:00
Speaker 2: Bell is also home on a checkerboard floor with her
37:05
Speaker 2: shrine of Kiera there, and then she's she's holding this
37:10
Speaker 2: mask like a like a respirator mask in her hand.
37:16
Speaker 2: And then it's not until season two that we figure
37:18
Speaker 2: out why she was clinching that respirator mask so much,
37:22
Speaker 2: because her mother was on a respirator and died on
37:27
Speaker 2: the respirator. And then later in season two she's doing
37:32
Speaker 2: that exact same scene that she was doing on the
37:35
Speaker 2: checkerboard floor at her house in season two, So it's
37:40
Speaker 2: a it's a big mirroring. Ben Stellar is just mirroring
37:44
Speaker 2: all this stuff, and it's very difficult to catch because
37:47
Speaker 2: you really got to be paying attention and you know,
37:50
Speaker 2: putting all of your attention on what you're seeing on screen.
37:54
Speaker 2: If not, then you're going to miss a lot of
37:58
Speaker 2: intricate details. And it was even that I realized a
38:02
Speaker 2: lot of the stuff until I went back and watched
38:05
Speaker 2: it again. I mean, this is a very rewatchable show.
38:10
Speaker 2: You can watch the show several times and find something
38:14
Speaker 2: new just in the symbolism of it. I mean, the
38:17
Speaker 2: way that their office is stut up is in a swastika.
38:24
Speaker 2: The chairs is a swastika.
38:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, I noticed that because one of my favorite symbolic
38:36
Speaker 1: topics is that the North Star. And I just had
38:40
Speaker 1: Mario Garza of Symbolic Studies on talking about polar symbolism
38:44
Speaker 1: with my last video, and the sastika is referred to
38:49
Speaker 1: as like a polar cross because it comes from the
38:54
Speaker 1: North Star. And so I'm kind of trained my brain
39:00
Speaker 1: to like seeing that. Once you start seeing something, it's
39:04
Speaker 1: kind of like that whole mirror fact that the factor
39:06
Speaker 1: that you're talking about, if you start looking into something,
39:09
Speaker 1: you're gonna start seeing it reflect back to you in
39:12
Speaker 1: in the world. More like, if you if you're not
39:16
Speaker 1: thinking about what kind of color car you want to see,
39:21
Speaker 1: you're not gonna not necessarily notice the color car is
39:24
Speaker 1: passing by. But if you, like I want to focus
39:27
Speaker 1: on a yellow car, every time you see a yellow car,
39:32
Speaker 1: you it's gonna stick out to you now, and you're
39:34
Speaker 1: gonna be like, since when was there so many yellow cars?
39:38
Speaker 1: Like once you start, once you start noticing, you're gonna
39:42
Speaker 1: it's gonna be reflected back to you more. Which I
39:45
Speaker 1: think it's that's an interesting kind of economy we have
39:49
Speaker 1: with God and the universe, this whole kind of playful
39:53
Speaker 1: back and forth.
39:55
Speaker 2: That's the thing too, with anything in this community. Right,
39:59
Speaker 2: if you're looking for something, then odds are your perception
40:06
Speaker 2: of any events you can shoehorn in to make it
40:11
Speaker 2: fit your narrative. If you're looking for something, then you
40:16
Speaker 2: are going to find it in a subtext of something.
40:22
Speaker 2: You're going to mold whatever it is that you're looking
40:26
Speaker 2: for to your own benefit. That's where the that's what
40:32
Speaker 2: everyone has done with the Bible. Right, you can essentially
40:35
Speaker 2: read the Bible and find anything in the Bible that
40:40
Speaker 2: can relate to what you're going through in your life.
40:45
Speaker 2: Is that actually a reality? Is that actually true? Or
40:50
Speaker 2: are you looking for something to relate to your life?
40:56
Speaker 2: And I think it's a little bit of both, right,
41:00
Speaker 2: going there looking for something, then if you dig deep enough,
41:06
Speaker 2: then you're going to find it. That's just that's just
41:11
Speaker 2: the way that it works. Right, So it's really your
41:13
Speaker 2: perception and your ideas surrounding something, because once you have
41:18
Speaker 2: your perception locked in, you can find whatever you want
41:24
Speaker 2: because you can essentially shoehorn in and mold whatever narrative
41:30
Speaker 2: you want surrounding something and turn it into whatever narrative
41:36
Speaker 2: you're trying to get across.
41:38
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just actually posted a short to my social
41:42
Speaker 1: media accounts about and it's going to be an ongoing
41:48
Speaker 1: series a source that I'm doing paralleling bibical scripture and
41:54
Speaker 1: this to have a tart the Last Airbend there, because
41:58
Speaker 1: I've always loved that series. And I've been messing around
42:01
Speaker 1: with this AI called haven AI, and it's basically trained
42:05
Speaker 1: on scripture. You can ask any question and I will
42:08
Speaker 1: find the parallels to whatever question you ask it to
42:12
Speaker 1: the Bible and be like, well, this is exactly what
42:17
Speaker 1: a parallel that you can be talking about and they
42:19
Speaker 1: will give you like that exact line from scripture and everything.
42:25
Speaker 1: And so I just been playing with it and I
42:28
Speaker 1: started asking it questions about movies and TV shows and
42:32
Speaker 1: of course like Avatar Avatar, and it came out with
42:36
Speaker 1: a bunch of interesting stuff and I'm like, I've never
42:40
Speaker 1: even thought about the Bible that way before in some
42:44
Speaker 1: of these parallels, and I just found it interesting, so
42:48
Speaker 1: I've been chopping them up into little videos. So yeah,
42:52
Speaker 1: you can uh these the power of myths and storytelling
42:58
Speaker 1: and something that I also to find that communities like
43:04
Speaker 1: ours are kind of reawakening in the modern era. Is
43:08
Speaker 1: this idea of and it's why I use this word
43:12
Speaker 1: so much, and that is like esoteric thinking, like thinking
43:16
Speaker 1: in layers. There there was a book about esoteric literature.
43:23
Speaker 1: Essentially the whole idea of it is in the past,
43:29
Speaker 1: everyone kind of thought esoterically. They knew that there was
43:32
Speaker 1: multiple layers to everything in their day to day lives,
43:36
Speaker 1: and they accepted that everything is everything, but also it's
43:43
Speaker 1: kind of sort of nothing at the same time, Like
43:46
Speaker 1: there's this you could think of something symbolically or historically
43:50
Speaker 1: or mythologically, and even myth doesn't even mean false, it
43:55
Speaker 1: doesn't mean fictitious. That's just more of a modern way
43:58
Speaker 1: of thinking. And then and more more present day modern times,
44:04
Speaker 1: we've become like this mono kind of way of thinking,
44:08
Speaker 1: or like now we're just auguring what a symbol means,
44:12
Speaker 1: Like this symbol must mean this, It cannot mean anything else,
44:18
Speaker 1: and so it's it's interesting, and then our our community
44:22
Speaker 1: is like our like, well, hang on, maybe it's a
44:25
Speaker 1: little bit of everything, you know. That's why I find
44:30
Speaker 1: people like Wan so interesting because he's always near. He
44:34
Speaker 1: can always find a homoculous connection, right, Yeah.
44:40
Speaker 2: He's always he's on a homuculous talk, always on as talk,
44:44
Speaker 2: which that is a problem with with people thinking that,
44:52
Speaker 2: you know, they're always correct. Not one, he's the opposite
44:57
Speaker 2: of that. But you know people in the community that
45:00
Speaker 2: are like, this is the way that it is, is
45:02
Speaker 2: not any other way, And I'm like, well, life's not
45:05
Speaker 2: like that. The universe is always changing and evolving, bro, Like,
45:09
Speaker 2: you got to be changing and evolving. You got to
45:11
Speaker 2: be able to change your ideas and your beliefs on
45:14
Speaker 2: a wind, especially when you're provided with new evidence. But
45:20
Speaker 2: so many people just stand there. They just double down
45:23
Speaker 2: on everything that they already believe because it's comfortable for them.
45:28
Speaker 2: And that's a big issue with the community is that
45:34
Speaker 2: they can't flow with the wind, right, they can't be
45:39
Speaker 2: like water, okay, like Bruce Lee is talking about flow
45:44
Speaker 2: like water. Okay, be like the water, and their inability
45:50
Speaker 2: to do that is I think been the downfall of
45:58
Speaker 2: our of the community, right, it creates all this infighting
46:01
Speaker 2: between people and people just attacking each other and you know,
46:05
Speaker 2: who's got the best theory, who predicted what, and then
46:08
Speaker 2: it becomes this, uh, this this dick measuring contest, and
46:14
Speaker 2: we never get to the bottom of anything.
46:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm speaking of of of Wind. I'm glad
46:22
Speaker 1: that you brought up that the the mask that Cobrarel
46:28
Speaker 1: is holding that is of from her her mother, uh,
46:35
Speaker 1: because when you mentioned it in your video with One,
46:38
Speaker 1: I made a note of it because what that made
46:40
Speaker 1: me think of. Maybe it's good just because One was
46:43
Speaker 1: in that video with you and he's always talking at amuckless,
46:47
Speaker 1: but it made me think of.
46:50
Speaker 3: Uh, the the Silent film The Gollumn, where they're doing
47:00
Speaker 3: the ritual to create the Gollum and they need the
47:02
Speaker 3: breath of life, they need the word.
47:05
Speaker 1: So I'm wondering because she was kind of using it
47:10
Speaker 1: as yeah, it's she has an emotional connection to it.
47:14
Speaker 1: But since there's also kind of like they're doing this
47:16
Speaker 1: like Masonic kind of paralleling with this ritual, I'm wondering
47:23
Speaker 1: if and maybe in season three when we get more answers,
47:30
Speaker 1: if we will see her use it again in another
47:36
Speaker 1: rich ritualistic way, and it can kind of symbolize kind
47:40
Speaker 1: of like the breath of life, And which makes sense
47:43
Speaker 1: that they're if they're trying to, uh, you know, do
47:52
Speaker 1: this program of seven people's consciousness and creating a new consciousness.
47:58
Speaker 1: And really, and I agree with what you and want
48:02
Speaker 1: to talk about that most likely what the outcome of
48:07
Speaker 1: the show is going to be is the founder here
48:13
Speaker 1: that they're always talking about. They're trying to bring him
48:16
Speaker 1: back in some kind of way, and they're trying to
48:18
Speaker 1: create some kind of vessel. So whether it's paralleling a
48:22
Speaker 1: I or whatever they're they're they're also trying to do
48:27
Speaker 1: this transhuman treatment, transhumanist thing of bringing someone's spirit, if
48:36
Speaker 1: it even is his original spirit, his original consciousness back
48:40
Speaker 1: into a newer vessel, which will require some kind of breadth. Right,
48:47
Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if that gonna if that symbol of
48:51
Speaker 1: the mass is going to be used again in season three.
48:55
Speaker 2: That's a really interesting concept, a really interesting theory. I
48:58
Speaker 2: definitely think that it has something to do with that
49:00
Speaker 2: definitely has something to do with cloning.
49:03
Speaker 1: Uh.
49:03
Speaker 2: You know a lot of people have disputed that that
49:06
Speaker 2: it was something that because remember when they went to
49:10
Speaker 2: visit the sheep farmer, the Ellie and the main character,
49:16
Speaker 2: and then they were like, oh, let us let us
49:20
Speaker 2: see your belly buttons, and they both looked up their
49:23
Speaker 2: shirt and they had belly buttons. You know, the only
49:25
Speaker 2: reason that you wouldn't have a belly button is if
49:27
Speaker 2: you were a an artificial being, right, and sheep was
49:35
Speaker 2: the first animal in real life to ever be cloned.
49:42
Speaker 2: So are they trying to say that, you know, this
49:45
Speaker 2: is like a sheep cloning operation. And then at the
49:49
Speaker 2: end of the second season, we have essentially that they're
49:54
Speaker 2: sacrificing the sheep to ki Air, which I didn't really
50:00
Speaker 2: understand fully what was going on there. I think that
50:03
Speaker 2: it had something to do with Gemma being severed, and
50:09
Speaker 2: I think that they needed to sacrifice this pristine sheep
50:14
Speaker 2: in order to keep her permanently in her new severed consciousness.
50:24
Speaker 2: That was going to be like the ceiling of that
50:27
Speaker 2: because otherwise, what was even the purpose of creating all
50:33
Speaker 2: of those super consciousnesses within her, okay, if you didn't
50:39
Speaker 2: want to make it permanent. And I thought that that
50:43
Speaker 2: was what was going to happen when he goes down
50:47
Speaker 2: there to try and rescue her. I thought that she
50:50
Speaker 2: was going to be perma burnt. I thought she was
50:52
Speaker 2: going to be like permafried in that new consciousness that
50:56
Speaker 2: they've made with no emotions, no fear, no anger, none
51:02
Speaker 2: of that. I thought she was going to be permanently
51:04
Speaker 2: like that. So whenever they went up the elevator, I
51:07
Speaker 2: thought that was going to be the twist, that he
51:11
Speaker 2: was going to be permanently this new severed consciousness that
51:16
Speaker 2: they had made. And I think that that was the
51:19
Speaker 2: goal with sacrificing the sheep. I think that the sacrificing
51:24
Speaker 2: of the sheep was to solidify this new consciousness in
51:31
Speaker 2: Gemma to where she was permanently going to be like that.
51:35
Speaker 2: There was no going back in between any of their
51:38
Speaker 2: other self consciousnesses that they had made for her, and
51:43
Speaker 2: that didn't go through, So therefore she wasn't permanently that person.
51:47
Speaker 2: So whenever he went down to rescue her and took
51:49
Speaker 2: her back up the elevator, they then switched back.
51:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we had this whole paralleling that they
51:59
Speaker 1: have the storyline of Mark trying to re emergence as
52:05
Speaker 1: any anality consciousness and they're they get into an argument
52:11
Speaker 1: over this video. They're recording videos for each other, and
52:16
Speaker 1: they get in this back and forth argument because Mark's
52:21
Speaker 1: any is just like, well, once I help you save
52:24
Speaker 1: your wife, you want to forget about me. You know
52:28
Speaker 1: you're not gonna You're not gonna go back to work
52:32
Speaker 1: at women or anything. And I'm essentially going to be dead.
52:36
Speaker 1: And they even have these instits to the theories where
52:41
Speaker 1: they have like, ah, these funeral events for when characters
52:53
Speaker 1: get fired and they completely erase them from pictures and
52:59
Speaker 1: all of this, like they never existed in everything. My
53:02
Speaker 1: theory on what it's going to happen with Mark and
53:09
Speaker 1: this whole idea of re emerging consciousness is it's neither.
53:14
Speaker 1: It's not the apt when they fully re emerged. Finally,
53:19
Speaker 1: it's not going to be one or the other, because
53:22
Speaker 1: two doesn't become one, two becomes three, it becomes something else.
53:27
Speaker 1: And the example I give when this topic comes up
53:31
Speaker 1: usually is the Incredible Hulk. So they did a poor
53:37
Speaker 1: job of showing this in the Avengers Infinity War and
53:42
Speaker 1: Adventures in Game, but you know in those movies when Hulk, uh,
53:47
Speaker 1: it was like Bruce Bayner, but also the Incredible Hulk
53:50
Speaker 1: at the same time. Yeah, that that's more of a
53:55
Speaker 1: metaphysical idea, and it goes back to the comics that
53:59
Speaker 1: character version of Hope is referred to Hulk is referred
54:03
Speaker 1: to as Professor Hulk, and it's when ah because the
54:08
Speaker 1: Incredible Hulk is an entity within itself that wants to
54:13
Speaker 1: be the controlling consciousness of Bruce Bayner's body. So it's
54:20
Speaker 1: always they're they're fighting, they're always in conflict of he
54:24
Speaker 1: was controlling the body. And when Hulks becomes professional hul Hulk,
54:35
Speaker 1: that's his enlightenment. That's when he merges the brains and
54:41
Speaker 1: the bronze and the two halves of him, the two entities,
54:46
Speaker 1: the two souls within him, Bruce and Hulk merge and
54:52
Speaker 1: make amends. And it's actually like this really cool thing
54:57
Speaker 1: that the Hulk, and they made it like this really lame,
55:02
Speaker 1: kind of almost like a joke side thing. They didn't
55:06
Speaker 1: really do much with that concept in the movies, but
55:10
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be this whole kind of huge character
55:13
Speaker 1: arc for the character where he's probably found his enlightenment, right,
55:19
Speaker 1: and so it's it's not supposed to be Bruce or Hulk.
55:24
Speaker 1: It's a whole other consciousness. And I think that's what
55:31
Speaker 1: they're going what the solution is going to be for Mark,
55:34
Speaker 1: where it's not going to be Marked necessarily hit the
55:39
Speaker 1: AUDI version of Mark, and it's not necessarily going to
55:43
Speaker 1: be the any version of Mark. It's going to be
55:45
Speaker 1: like this third version of Mark. And that's also shown
55:52
Speaker 1: in right of Pat's rituals that people like Robert Bligh
55:58
Speaker 1: in the book iron On, a book about men, talk
56:01
Speaker 1: about where you know, when they do these rights of
56:05
Speaker 1: passage rituals from boys going from boyhood to manhood, they
56:09
Speaker 1: simulate a ritualistic death of the boy and a rebirth
56:14
Speaker 1: of the man, and he usually gets a new name,
56:18
Speaker 1: gets introduced to the tribe, and everything is this whole.
56:21
Speaker 1: He gets a new identity and it becomes a new person,
56:24
Speaker 1: a new man that isn't anything that he was prior
56:29
Speaker 1: to that moment. And I think, uh, masonically there's with
56:36
Speaker 1: like freemason and everything. I think that that's also what
56:39
Speaker 1: they kind of do and some of their rights to
56:43
Speaker 1: passage rituals just like this death and rebirth.
56:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then that also gets into like spiritual walk
56:52
Speaker 2: ins and out of body experiences near death experiences. I mean,
56:57
Speaker 2: if you die, who's to say that the same consciousness
57:01
Speaker 2: that you had a near death experience and is the
57:05
Speaker 2: same consciousness that comes back into your body could be
57:09
Speaker 2: a different consciousness you know, like how many? And then
57:12
Speaker 2: that also it gets into like the OA as well,
57:15
Speaker 2: you know them, you know, switching timelines, going to different
57:18
Speaker 2: parallel realities where there they have to contend with what
57:24
Speaker 2: their other cells were doing, not knowing what they were
57:29
Speaker 2: doing in that reality, but they are that physical being.
57:33
Speaker 2: Then they have to try and figure out what was
57:36
Speaker 2: going on in that parallel reality when they weren't there
57:40
Speaker 2: for like the entire thing. So it gets really interesting,
57:45
Speaker 2: and I that can be a possibility as to what
57:50
Speaker 2: they do as A because yeah, it wouldn't be like A.
57:54
Speaker 2: It would have to be a new form of mark.
57:57
Speaker 2: It could be one or the other, it has to
57:59
Speaker 2: be a mixture of the two. And I think that
58:02
Speaker 2: that's where they were kind of like, oh, well, I
58:04
Speaker 2: don't know how this is going to work. Like marx
58:08
Speaker 2: Any was talking to Marx Saldi when they were doing
58:12
Speaker 2: the video camera back and forth to figure out what
58:14
Speaker 2: they said, Like marx Any was essentially like, how does
58:19
Speaker 2: this work? And how do you know that this is
58:22
Speaker 2: going to work and what's the process of this? And
58:25
Speaker 2: I don't think that either one of them know exactly
58:29
Speaker 2: how it's going to work. Now we're just assuming that
58:32
Speaker 2: they make it out of lumen and they're not killed
58:38
Speaker 2: inside of Lumen and then replaced by a clone of them,
58:47
Speaker 2: because that's a possibility too, because I highly think that
58:51
Speaker 2: this has something to do with cloning, and people can
58:54
Speaker 2: refute that all that they want, but I think they
58:56
Speaker 2: were going to see some version of cloning in this
59:00
Speaker 2: third season that's going to come out in a couple
59:02
Speaker 2: of years, is that it's going to somehow revolve around cloning,
59:07
Speaker 2: And that would be a way because they essentially want
59:10
Speaker 2: to make robot people. They want to make people that
59:12
Speaker 2: go in there do the job, do the work, and
59:14
Speaker 2: they don't have to deal with like regular human people.
59:18
Speaker 2: And I think that that's what the girl is that
59:21
Speaker 2: started working there, the young girl that looks like she's like,
59:24
Speaker 2: I don't know, twelve or thirteen years old, where everyone
59:27
Speaker 2: was asking where did you even come from? I don't know,
59:29
Speaker 2: are you even allowed to be here? Is this even
59:31
Speaker 2: legal for you to be here? Which it's not legal,
59:34
Speaker 2: but it would be legal if that girl isn't a
59:38
Speaker 2: real human, if that girl is a clone or a robot.
59:47
Speaker 2: Technically those people that clone a robot is not a human.
59:52
Speaker 2: It is an artificial life. So you can do whatever
59:55
Speaker 2: it is that you want to do with an artificial life.
59:59
Speaker 2: And that's what they want the people working at LUMAN doing.
1:00:02
Speaker 2: They don't want to deal with the human component of this.
1:00:05
Speaker 2: They want to completely eradicate having people come into work.
1:00:10
Speaker 2: They want to keep people there forever, sort of like
1:00:13
Speaker 2: what some whistle blowers have talked about with deep underground
1:00:19
Speaker 2: military bases. Some whistle blowers have said that there are
1:00:25
Speaker 2: people that work at these deep underground military bases that
1:00:29
Speaker 2: never leave. They're there forever. They live there, they work there,
1:00:37
Speaker 2: and they're going to die there. That's essentially what they
1:00:42
Speaker 2: want the people working at lumen as. So what they
1:00:46
Speaker 2: could do is they could kill Mark as Hallie, kill
1:00:54
Speaker 2: all the people there, and then replace them with clones
1:00:57
Speaker 2: and nobody would ever know because the whole event at
1:01:01
Speaker 2: the end was supposed to be death for everyone, this
1:01:05
Speaker 2: completion of Cold Harbor, the whole celebration was that it
1:01:12
Speaker 2: was going to kill everyone.
1:01:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad, So how.
1:01:17
Speaker 2: Are they going to go through with that? What was
1:01:19
Speaker 2: their plan then when everyone dies? The only thing that
1:01:23
Speaker 2: I can think of is if everyone they were already
1:01:27
Speaker 2: planning for everyone to die, is the just dish out
1:01:32
Speaker 2: a bunch of clones of these people that were working there? Yeah?
1:01:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm Letty brought it up, especially with Cold Harbor.
1:01:43
Speaker 1: Just the name Cold Harbor made me think of like
1:01:47
Speaker 1: a harbor in the city. And since they're doing this
1:01:50
Speaker 1: whole like rebirth, trying to create a new consciousness and
1:01:55
Speaker 1: erase consciousness from people and everything, it made me think
1:02:02
Speaker 1: of Jordan Maxwell and how he talks about admiralty maritime
1:02:10
Speaker 1: law and because uh and how when you're born we
1:02:18
Speaker 1: get a birth certificate and then you become a part
1:02:22
Speaker 1: of America Corp. And all this and it's very it's
1:02:27
Speaker 1: the corporate side, the legal east side of of the
1:02:33
Speaker 1: United States and our government and everything, and it's all.
1:02:37
Speaker 1: It's all. It's called the law of law of the sea,
1:02:40
Speaker 1: and it linguistic paralleled words like birth and harbor and
1:02:49
Speaker 1: you know, any type of oceanic uh verbiology they'll use.
1:02:56
Speaker 1: And it's usually like a kind of like a Devil's
1:02:57
Speaker 1: speak kind of thing. So That's what that made me
1:03:01
Speaker 1: think of, like is there Since it's a corporation and
1:03:04
Speaker 1: it's like this whole like black Rock Rothschild kind of
1:03:09
Speaker 1: thing going on, Like is there? I want? I'm sure
1:03:15
Speaker 1: that they have some kind of like maritime law legally
1:03:20
Speaker 1: used double speak. They even have like the workbook being
1:03:24
Speaker 1: like like their version of the Bible, and then like
1:03:28
Speaker 1: when they go into the when they get in trouble,
1:03:32
Speaker 1: they have to go to the break room and recite
1:03:36
Speaker 1: saying over and over again until they become numb to
1:03:40
Speaker 1: it and everything. So we have all this like verbology,
1:03:45
Speaker 1: and then you even have a milk check like they're
1:03:50
Speaker 1: telling him that he uses too big of words and everything.
1:03:55
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's just any kind of corporate jargon
1:04:00
Speaker 1: connections to it all as well.
1:04:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, the second season was very interesting and it picked
1:04:10
Speaker 2: up like incredibly quickly. And I really like the fact
1:04:14
Speaker 2: that Corbell is essentially the person that created all of
1:04:17
Speaker 2: this technology and they ripped it from her. I told
1:04:22
Speaker 2: her that, well, you gotta serve Kierra. A woman's got
1:04:26
Speaker 2: to know her place. You can't take credit for creating
1:04:29
Speaker 2: all of this technology, you know, And it turns out
1:04:33
Speaker 2: that she did she had all of the drawings, the schematics,
1:04:36
Speaker 2: the everything to create the technology for Loomen and for
1:04:43
Speaker 2: the severed people. I like how they switched her sides
1:04:46
Speaker 2: on it, but I think that she's got some sort
1:04:48
Speaker 2: of She's definitely had some kind of ulterior motive. I
1:04:51
Speaker 2: don't think she's completely on the good guys marc ASA's side,
1:05:00
Speaker 2: but her character arc is top notch.
1:05:05
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Cornbell, It's probably my my favorite character, Okay.
1:05:12
Speaker 1: I I find I find her interesting. And I always
1:05:15
Speaker 1: have to laugh when I see Patricia Art because after
1:05:19
Speaker 1: watching kept the movie Keip Cows, every time I see her,
1:05:23
Speaker 1: I just have to laugh. So it's always it's always
1:05:26
Speaker 1: funny seeing her and stuff. But I wanted to go
1:05:31
Speaker 1: over this Orpheus connection really quick, so I would Uh,
1:05:39
Speaker 1: since I I stumbled along this connection, I did some
1:05:46
Speaker 1: extra research into the myth of Orpheus, and I found
1:05:54
Speaker 1: out that, uh, Homework doesn't speak of Orpheus, but Plato does.
1:06:04
Speaker 1: Orpheus kind of came later in the Greek mythological timeline
1:06:12
Speaker 1: as far as all these gods and demon gods and everything.
1:06:17
Speaker 1: And of course, if you're I'm familiar with the myth
1:06:20
Speaker 1: of Orpheus. He's he's a side character and a few
1:06:25
Speaker 1: different myths like Jason, the Argonauts and all that, but
1:06:29
Speaker 1: the main myth that he's that gets adapted and inspired
1:06:34
Speaker 1: things like season two of Severance, is his story with
1:06:42
Speaker 1: his wife Eudadis, which is so Orpheus is the son
1:06:48
Speaker 1: of a king of a Greek name that cannot pronounced,
1:06:51
Speaker 1: I'm not even going to try, and the muse of poetry,
1:06:58
Speaker 1: and they birth Orpheous and then once Orpheus goes up,
1:07:04
Speaker 1: he's very musically inclined. He said that all the plants
1:07:10
Speaker 1: and trees kind of dance with his melodies, and he
1:07:12
Speaker 1: can move people pretty pretty easily. He does heavenly melodies.
1:07:20
Speaker 1: He falls in love with Eudidis and they get married,
1:07:24
Speaker 1: and she gets chase and and someone tries to sextually
1:07:32
Speaker 1: assault her. And when she's running away from this person
1:07:37
Speaker 1: who's trying to sexually assault Ruddis, she falls and gets
1:07:41
Speaker 1: britten by snakes and then she dies, and broken hearted,
1:07:51
Speaker 1: Orpheus sings the song and it's so sad that the
1:07:55
Speaker 1: gods allow him to go into the underworld and try
1:07:59
Speaker 1: to make a deal with with Hades and Persephone. There's
1:08:02
Speaker 1: a couple of different versions of this story, but the
1:08:04
Speaker 1: one that gets inspired by and everything that is sold
1:08:11
Speaker 1: to the sixties French film and uh and kind of
1:08:15
Speaker 1: in the o way and kind of now in severance
1:08:19
Speaker 1: is that while Orpheus is down there, he gets to
1:08:24
Speaker 1: rescue Eudidas's wife. He kind of gets sidetracked by the
1:08:31
Speaker 1: allure of Persephone, which is reflected here with marx Any
1:08:39
Speaker 1: and helles Any falling in love, so you kind of
1:08:45
Speaker 1: gets sidetracked, but he still does retrieve Eudidas, and they're
1:08:57
Speaker 1: told that they can. They're welcome to leave on the
1:09:00
Speaker 1: world as long as Orpheus doesn't look back, and he
1:09:06
Speaker 1: just has to trust that yourddis is once step behind him.
1:09:11
Speaker 1: And it takes a while for them to leave the underworld,
1:09:16
Speaker 1: and right when they're kind of at the entrance, Orpheus
1:09:21
Speaker 1: starts getting second thought. It's like, why would Hades in Persephone?
1:09:27
Speaker 1: Why would they tell me the truth? Why would they
1:09:31
Speaker 1: make this deal with me? Like their movement, my music,
1:09:36
Speaker 1: Like why would they not lie? How do I know
1:09:38
Speaker 1: they're not lying? And so he looks back to see
1:09:42
Speaker 1: if his wife is behind him, and since they haven't
1:09:46
Speaker 1: left the underworld yet, he broke their deal, and he
1:09:49
Speaker 1: sees the shadows swallow Eudidis and in Severnths they flip
1:09:58
Speaker 1: it where Mark, who can be seen as this Orpheus character,
1:10:05
Speaker 1: he stays with Persephone in in the underworld, in the
1:10:11
Speaker 1: corporate underworld in lumen uh too, I guess, trying to
1:10:17
Speaker 1: live a happy life. I don't know what they're gonna
1:10:19
Speaker 1: be doing because they're being chased, but he stays with her.
1:10:23
Speaker 1: And then Jemma, Mark's Audi's wife, Ah, she leaves, and
1:10:32
Speaker 1: she's like the your dietist character, So they kind of
1:10:36
Speaker 1: flip who stays and who goes a little bit. But
1:10:40
Speaker 1: I think it is interesting. It creates an interesting story,
1:10:44
Speaker 1: even though it's like where they where is she going
1:10:46
Speaker 1: to go? Where is she going to hide? And what's
1:10:49
Speaker 1: the plane here? But the any part of Orpheus's life,
1:10:56
Speaker 1: it's kind of sad. Uh. He cannot get over the
1:11:02
Speaker 1: fact that your your dadis he'll never see his wife again,
1:11:06
Speaker 1: and so he swears off the gods and he swears
1:11:10
Speaker 1: off women, and he becomes homosexual, and he creates all
1:11:17
Speaker 1: of these like mystery schools and cults, and.
1:11:24
Speaker 3: It is.
1:11:27
Speaker 1: Really Hellenistic, So Luciferian, you could call it now where
1:11:36
Speaker 1: they're kind of, you know, kind of other figures like Dionysus,
1:11:41
Speaker 1: other underground gods and demi gods, where they are kind
1:11:48
Speaker 1: of these cults and mystery schools that practice orphic traditions.
1:11:58
Speaker 1: They are worshiping this idea that Orpheus is this figure
1:12:03
Speaker 1: that goes to the lane of the gods, goes to
1:12:07
Speaker 1: the underworld and brings back if wisdom of the gods,
1:12:14
Speaker 1: and he kind of sacrifices himself in this pseudo kind
1:12:18
Speaker 1: of way. And so these mystery schools and that's why
1:12:29
Speaker 1: they kind of worship this and use this like Masonic
1:12:33
Speaker 1: kind of law strikes a passage and everything, and we
1:12:36
Speaker 1: see these kind of Masonic symbols and parallels and severants
1:12:42
Speaker 1: as well. And even with things like the serpent and
1:12:47
Speaker 1: the egg or the cosmic egg, it's also referred to
1:12:53
Speaker 1: as an orphic egg. And so a lot of these
1:13:04
Speaker 1: secret societies, a lot of them do profit practice orphic
1:13:11
Speaker 1: traditions and orphic rights of passage, rituals and anything. And
1:13:15
Speaker 1: so I think that kind of ties into all this
1:13:19
Speaker 1: of what's going on in Severance in an interesting way.
1:13:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ben Stoller definitely has a knowledge of a lot
1:13:33
Speaker 2: of stuff. I mean, Zulander was basically an MK ultra
1:13:37
Speaker 2: movie and as he knows a lot about these types
1:13:42
Speaker 2: of initiation things. I haven't really looked at too much
1:13:49
Speaker 2: into his background to see if he was a part
1:13:52
Speaker 2: of any secret society or if he was a Freemason
1:13:56
Speaker 2: or any of that stuff, but it would, I'm sure,
1:14:00
Speaker 2: or there's something in his past. I'm sure his family
1:14:03
Speaker 2: or his father or something was involved in some kind
1:14:08
Speaker 2: of big way. I mean, most of the people in
1:14:11
Speaker 2: Hollywood all have direct family that is linked to the
1:14:17
Speaker 2: military industrial complex, some sort of secret society or something freemasonry.
1:14:25
Speaker 2: Like they're all connected and like some kind of level.
1:14:28
Speaker 2: And that's what we really dive into in a Clockwork Shraining,
1:14:32
Speaker 2: the documentary on to Be in Amazon that I made,
1:14:36
Speaker 2: is like that all these big time musicians all have
1:14:40
Speaker 2: some sort of connection to the military of their dad was,
1:14:45
Speaker 2: or military intelligence, some sort of FBI CIA connection. I
1:14:49
Speaker 2: mean Mark Hoppus from Blink Woint eighty two just recently
1:14:54
Speaker 2: came out and well he wrote about it in his book,
1:14:57
Speaker 2: but they just did an article that he gave information
1:15:01
Speaker 2: to the military that may have led to the country
1:15:05
Speaker 2: of Saddam Hussein, and the way that he knew how
1:15:09
Speaker 2: to do that was because his dad was a high
1:15:12
Speaker 2: ranking military admiral. Because so all these people they have
1:15:17
Speaker 2: connections back to the military, some form of three letter
1:15:20
Speaker 2: organization or some kind of occult teachings.
1:15:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're and they're they're usually all connected to
1:15:26
Speaker 1: some kind of blood line, which seems like what they're
1:15:29
Speaker 1: trying to get at with severants, it's like this cure
1:15:32
Speaker 1: blood line right there, those starting for someone to take
1:15:35
Speaker 1: over or someone that has uh this uh fire of here.
1:15:44
Speaker 1: And so it's like you said earlier, Helly's dad doesn't
1:15:52
Speaker 1: think Kraudi has it, but he thinks it's hurt Any
1:15:56
Speaker 1: has it. So it's like, okay, So if hell is
1:16:00
Speaker 1: this persephone like character and her her any consciousness has
1:16:05
Speaker 1: to fire, her Audi doesn't, and you want hard to
1:16:10
Speaker 1: take over your corporate underworld, Like how do you how
1:16:16
Speaker 1: how are you going to do that? Are you going
1:16:17
Speaker 1: to erase her Audi's consciousness? Like are you going to
1:16:24
Speaker 1: try to merge them? Or like what what's what's the
1:16:26
Speaker 1: protocol here? Like what what is his goal? Just like
1:16:32
Speaker 1: what's going on with the board, Like the board is
1:16:35
Speaker 1: we we have. We don't hear from them, we don't
1:16:39
Speaker 1: see them. It's just you know, uh that one ah
1:16:45
Speaker 1: girl who works.
1:16:47
Speaker 2: With the aboard, the board speaks through her.
1:16:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, the board speaks through her, and she's friends with
1:17:00
Speaker 1: Helly's Audi, and so it's like like it's like, what's
1:17:03
Speaker 1: going on here?
1:17:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really interesting. I'm definitely looking forward to season two.
1:17:11
Speaker 2: I mean season three. Season three is going to be
1:17:15
Speaker 2: I think a heck of a ride. I mean it's
1:17:17
Speaker 2: already Apple's top show, so I hope you don't have
1:17:23
Speaker 2: to wait another two years for season three. I think
1:17:26
Speaker 2: that Ben Stiller said that it's going to come sooner
1:17:31
Speaker 2: than later, So maybe like a year and a half hopefully. Yeah,
1:17:36
Speaker 2: but these streaming services waiting two years that come out
1:17:39
Speaker 2: with a new show, bro, it's crazy. It takes long.
1:17:44
Speaker 1: One thing that they're offically inspired by are these two
1:17:50
Speaker 1: thousand's and late nineties, like office thrillers like Anywhere from
1:17:56
Speaker 1: the Matrix to office Space and even like one and
1:18:01
Speaker 1: uh even like fight Club. You could say these ideas,
1:18:06
Speaker 1: but like we uh, office thriller, finding the psychological weirdness
1:18:16
Speaker 1: to the mundane and all this. They're inspired by kind
1:18:20
Speaker 1: of those movies, and I feel like Sevarench could be
1:18:27
Speaker 1: one of those great ones that people think of fondly
1:18:29
Speaker 1: and rewatched over and over again, like all those other
1:18:31
Speaker 1: ones I just previously mentioned, and and of course it
1:18:36
Speaker 1: does have a following. I'm not discounting that. I feel
1:18:39
Speaker 1: like it would have been if this, if it came
1:18:42
Speaker 1: out ten plus years ago, it would have been a
1:18:46
Speaker 1: really good mid budget movie like those and been a
1:18:51
Speaker 1: big blockbuster hit. I feel like, but now we don't
1:18:55
Speaker 1: get mid budget movies. We only we only get like
1:19:00
Speaker 1: that are you know, have franchise IP and cost billions
1:19:04
Speaker 1: of dollars. What when they have a pseudo original idea,
1:19:12
Speaker 1: they put it on streaming and they make it, you know,
1:19:16
Speaker 1: a limited series or or there's a couple of seasons long.
1:19:20
Speaker 1: They have like eight to ten episodes. And it's like
1:19:23
Speaker 1: some of these ideas they're they're good, but maybe if
1:19:28
Speaker 1: you just tightened the story a little bit and just
1:19:30
Speaker 1: made a like a ninety minute to two and a
1:19:33
Speaker 1: half hour long movie, you could have made something even
1:19:36
Speaker 1: greater because there was a there's an art there to
1:19:39
Speaker 1: cutting something down.
1:19:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that they could have made the first
1:19:45
Speaker 2: season an hour and forty five minute movie. Yeah, anway,
1:19:51
Speaker 2: second season is a little bit different, but yeah, they
1:19:54
Speaker 2: definitely could have consolidated the entire first season into or
1:19:59
Speaker 2: forty five minute movie, which some of them will probably
1:20:02
Speaker 2: do a cut of that. Yeah, probably they'll do a
1:20:05
Speaker 2: cut of it on like YouTube or whatever.
1:20:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, what was I don't even really understand
1:20:14
Speaker 1: the point of Christopher Walkin's character, Like he doesn't his character.
1:20:18
Speaker 1: Every time his character came up, I was kind of like, Okay,
1:20:21
Speaker 1: let's get back to the main plot, like like Christopher
1:20:24
Speaker 1: Walkin is is a is A can be a good actor?
1:20:29
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm more interested in what's going on
1:20:32
Speaker 1: with Loomen and Mark and and Corbel and all of them.
1:20:36
Speaker 1: Like I don't I don't understand what Christopher Walkin's character
1:20:41
Speaker 1: because like it's it feels completely disconnected from what how
1:20:48
Speaker 1: the story is actually going.
1:20:50
Speaker 2: Well. I think that the purpose of his character was
1:20:52
Speaker 2: to bring in the religious element and ask the question
1:20:56
Speaker 2: of can you any be saved? Can you only be
1:21:03
Speaker 2: saved and your AUTI not be saved? Like can you
1:21:06
Speaker 2: be a bad person on the outside but be a
1:21:08
Speaker 2: good person on the inside, Like can you do all
1:21:11
Speaker 2: of these actions because that's a metaphor for what your
1:21:17
Speaker 2: perception of what people think of you and what you
1:21:19
Speaker 2: actually are and your actions versus your heart right, Like
1:21:25
Speaker 2: your actions can do one thing, but then you're you
1:21:29
Speaker 2: on the inside can be a good person, Like you
1:21:32
Speaker 2: can be a good person at heart, but not actively
1:21:36
Speaker 2: portray yourself as a good person. So it's like what
1:21:41
Speaker 2: really matters here? Can You're any be saved while your
1:21:45
Speaker 2: Audi can't be saved? Or can your auty be saved
1:21:47
Speaker 2: and You're any not be saved because you're two separate people.
1:21:51
Speaker 2: That was one of the most I think that that's
1:21:55
Speaker 2: why they brought because it's a question like for the audience,
1:21:58
Speaker 2: it's to get your mind thinking, Okay, these are two
1:22:02
Speaker 2: separate individuals. How does this translate in a religious aspect
1:22:08
Speaker 2: and this idea of heaven and hell? Yeah, like can
1:22:12
Speaker 2: you're any be saved while your Aldi is this horrible person?
1:22:19
Speaker 2: And they translate that to being like, you know, infidelity
1:22:24
Speaker 2: and being gay and all that on the outside like
1:22:29
Speaker 2: your Audi. And because they're talking about this at dinner
1:22:33
Speaker 2: and Christopher Walken's character's husband within the show, it was like, well,
1:22:38
Speaker 2: I know that I'm going to have him but he's
1:22:41
Speaker 2: not going to have him. And then that's when they
1:22:43
Speaker 2: were like, okay, well why did you even get severed?
1:22:45
Speaker 2: And then they were like, well, if there's a chance
1:22:48
Speaker 2: that his Any can be saved and go to heaven,
1:22:52
Speaker 2: then we're gonna take that chance.
1:22:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and uh. That also brings me to Dylan's character,
1:23:02
Speaker 1: which I will say that Dylan's character in season two
1:23:08
Speaker 1: was probably one of my favorite, Like as far as
1:23:13
Speaker 1: making me laugh, I laughed so hard throwing Dylan's storyline
1:23:19
Speaker 1: where he is and he's got he's got a quick ton,
1:23:24
Speaker 1: so he delivers some like comical lines as well, But
1:23:29
Speaker 1: it was his whole idea, or his whole storyline of
1:23:35
Speaker 1: his Any meeting his Audi's wife and then falling in
1:23:43
Speaker 1: love with his Audi's wife and her kind of being
1:23:46
Speaker 1: like having affair with her own husband. And what I
1:23:51
Speaker 1: thought that symbolized, even though it was hilarious to Watt's happened,
1:23:57
Speaker 1: what I thought that symbolized was it was kind of
1:23:59
Speaker 1: like you were saying, it was a question to the
1:24:01
Speaker 1: audience to start talking about work life balance, Like if
1:24:05
Speaker 1: you're giving all yourself to your work and then when
1:24:09
Speaker 1: you when you come home, you're so tired, you chuck
1:24:12
Speaker 1: out and you don't actually do anything with your family.
1:24:15
Speaker 1: You don't pay attention to your wife, you don't interact
1:24:18
Speaker 1: with your kids, you know, or if you're if it's
1:24:22
Speaker 1: the woman that is the breadrunner, you know, if she
1:24:28
Speaker 1: doesn't connect with her kids or connect with her husband,
1:24:33
Speaker 1: Like if you're giving all yourself to your job and
1:24:36
Speaker 1: then you don't have anything you left to give to
1:24:38
Speaker 1: your family, Like, is what's how do you get that
1:24:44
Speaker 1: work life balance? And I think that's kind of what
1:24:48
Speaker 1: that and what's this solution to that? How do you
1:24:50
Speaker 1: remedy that fine mine? And I felt like with Dylan's character,
1:24:55
Speaker 1: as comical and as odd and weird as that whole
1:25:01
Speaker 1: storyline was, I felt like that was kind of the
1:25:04
Speaker 1: question they were kind of raising, is how do you
1:25:06
Speaker 1: do this work like balance?
1:25:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. I agree that it was
1:25:16
Speaker 2: really funny in the way because you're essentially the same person.
1:25:19
Speaker 2: You're the same person physically, so all it is is
1:25:21
Speaker 2: that your mind. So really, all that Dylan is getting
1:25:23
Speaker 2: mad about is that he can't remember it, and you
1:25:28
Speaker 2: can't remember the interaction that he had with his wife
1:25:31
Speaker 2: at Luhman, you know, so he's really upset about nothing.
1:25:35
Speaker 2: It's nothing. It's a nothing burger.
1:25:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's.
1:25:39
Speaker 2: Still you, it's still your physical body. I mean that's
1:25:42
Speaker 2: what we equate to us being us is our physical
1:25:47
Speaker 2: body and what we look like.
1:25:51
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, well, coming to the one thirty mark, I'm
1:25:58
Speaker 1: I'm pretty much through most of my notes here. It
1:26:02
Speaker 1: seems like, is there any other symbol or plot point
1:26:16
Speaker 1: in this show that you found interesting that you wanted
1:26:19
Speaker 1: to bring up?
1:26:23
Speaker 2: Well, I think we kind of cover we covered a
1:26:25
Speaker 2: lot here today, and I think it's just a really
1:26:29
Speaker 2: fascinating show and it's a different take on it's a
1:26:33
Speaker 2: new outlook on a lot of different concepts all kind
1:26:38
Speaker 2: of rolled up into one. And that's how you get
1:26:40
Speaker 2: the best type of content is that you do something
1:26:44
Speaker 2: that seems familiar but it's really original, you know. That's
1:26:49
Speaker 2: how you get the best out of any content creation.
1:26:54
Speaker 2: You use something that people can relate to, and this
1:26:57
Speaker 2: show is something that a lot of people can really
1:27:01
Speaker 2: because I think that this type of scenario is what
1:27:05
Speaker 2: a lot of people would do with their daily lunch.
1:27:09
Speaker 2: They a lot of people would probably have this procedure
1:27:13
Speaker 2: done so that they can go through their mundane lives
1:27:19
Speaker 2: without having to worry about it, go to their job,
1:27:22
Speaker 2: work as a completely different person, come back be yourself.
1:27:27
Speaker 2: I guarantee if this was a real life thing, Luhman
1:27:31
Speaker 2: was a real company, they were doing this information, they
1:27:35
Speaker 2: were working at Loohmen, or any job they would probably
1:27:41
Speaker 2: it would be an overwhelming yes, let me do the operation.
1:27:46
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:27:46
Speaker 2: So I think it's definitely a take on society as
1:27:50
Speaker 2: a whole, along with a cult symbology and a lot
1:27:57
Speaker 2: of different other things rolling up, rolled up into the mix.
1:28:01
Speaker 2: So looking forward to season three.
1:28:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, I even myself, I have a slip of a
1:28:10
Speaker 1: tongue when people ask me about my my day job
1:28:16
Speaker 1: and I'm like, and I can't think of the answer
1:28:22
Speaker 1: to the question. I'm like, well, I'm not at work,
1:28:25
Speaker 1: Why would I remember that until I'm at work, Like,
1:28:29
Speaker 1: like it's it's already kind of in some of our
1:28:32
Speaker 1: verbids to like sever our different personalities that we contained.
1:28:38
Speaker 1: And I did the same thing at school. I didn't
1:28:41
Speaker 1: like telling my parents about, you know, my day to
1:28:45
Speaker 1: day life. And when I was in like elementary school
1:28:48
Speaker 1: and even middle school and high school, I just I
1:28:51
Speaker 1: just I saw it as as separate and so I
1:28:56
Speaker 1: think it's our mind is all already kind of open
1:29:02
Speaker 1: to that idea, so to physically have something to where,
1:29:06
Speaker 1: you know, science can actually do it. I think you're
1:29:10
Speaker 1: right that most people with sally would have that a
1:29:14
Speaker 1: severe procedure.
1:29:17
Speaker 2: Absolutely they wouldn't.
1:29:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well one thing I just noticed. I looked
1:29:22
Speaker 1: down and I saw one thing that we didn't mentioned
1:29:25
Speaker 1: is at the beginning of season two, when they come
1:29:28
Speaker 1: back to work after they're rebelling at the you know,
1:29:34
Speaker 1: season one, they sat down and haven't watched this video
1:29:42
Speaker 1: to let the anise know how the how they're rebelling
1:29:52
Speaker 1: against Luhmann as a corporation went, and it's all fictitious,
1:30:02
Speaker 1: like it's it's weird, it's goofy. It's like it's like
1:30:06
Speaker 1: clamation or something and or stop motion. But it's all
1:30:14
Speaker 1: like they're kind of wandering it down, so it doesn't
1:30:18
Speaker 1: like encourage them more. They don't want they're trying to
1:30:23
Speaker 1: get control of the situation, so it's kind of like
1:30:28
Speaker 1: they're they're rewriting history. The company is kind of like
1:30:35
Speaker 1: rewriting history. And and I think that is an interesting
1:30:40
Speaker 1: thing when to show when it comes come to history
1:30:48
Speaker 1: or the news, like how fast the news cycle is.
1:30:53
Speaker 1: Look at how many people have a different think of
1:30:57
Speaker 1: the last five years, different they even have the actual
1:31:01
Speaker 1: five years went like some people, you know still think
1:31:06
Speaker 1: where it's the mindset of a lot of people of
1:31:12
Speaker 1: the hysteria of twenty twenty. There are still some people
1:31:15
Speaker 1: that have that fear and everything, and so in their minds,
1:31:20
Speaker 1: you know there that's their reality.
1:31:26
Speaker 2: And so.
1:31:29
Speaker 1: Looming as a corporation kind of trying to get ahead
1:31:33
Speaker 1: of the curve and tell the innies that you'll rebelled.
1:31:41
Speaker 1: And it worked, and now you're you're famous, you're the
1:31:44
Speaker 1: face of the company, and we're going to give you
1:31:47
Speaker 1: all these little carriacs to dangle in front of your faces.
1:31:50
Speaker 1: So you're you think that you're happy.
1:31:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to redefine everything that we did about
1:31:58
Speaker 2: the company. And now you got to break room. Now
1:32:00
Speaker 2: you got company outings, you got team building exercises. It's
1:32:06
Speaker 2: it's a facade and an illusion to make it seem
1:32:10
Speaker 2: And as the season progresses on, Milchek doesn't succeed with
1:32:17
Speaker 2: any of these new policies and you start to put
1:32:21
Speaker 2: two and two together and realize, well, this is why
1:32:25
Speaker 2: they never did any of these things to begin with,
1:32:28
Speaker 2: it was easier and better for them just to come
1:32:32
Speaker 2: in and do their job, and that's it. We give
1:32:37
Speaker 2: them the bare minimum. We give them the bare minimum food,
1:32:39
Speaker 2: we give them water, and we let them work. And
1:32:43
Speaker 2: the more that the season went on, everything that Milchek
1:32:47
Speaker 2: was trying to implement that was to help them never worked.
1:32:54
Speaker 2: And corbell knew that it wasn't going to work. That's
1:32:57
Speaker 2: why she never did them. And then when Miltchak took over,
1:32:59
Speaker 2: the essentially had to revamp the entire system, but it
1:33:04
Speaker 2: didn't work.
1:33:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, and when when they're showing them that video, it's
1:33:11
Speaker 1: like the projector I think it is that is setting
1:33:14
Speaker 1: there has like three lights and it's I think it's
1:33:19
Speaker 1: like the RGB colors. And in this in the series,
1:33:27
Speaker 1: the color grading, the color scheme of their sets are
1:33:31
Speaker 1: all try toned and they do that on purpose throughout
1:33:35
Speaker 1: the the series that everything it's not monotoned or do
1:33:42
Speaker 1: toned or a bunch of color. It's it's try toned,
1:33:47
Speaker 1: which is interesting. I know. At the end of your
1:33:49
Speaker 1: video with one you guys read an article about how
1:33:52
Speaker 1: that Last Freeze stream shot was inspired by a seventies
1:33:56
Speaker 1: cinema and they wanted to have the red be prevalent,
1:34:02
Speaker 1: and that saying to kind of lead into the reddit
1:34:05
Speaker 1: was supposed to lead us into a new direction for
1:34:09
Speaker 1: season three. So I'll be interesting. I'll be interested to
1:34:14
Speaker 1: see what that necessarily is.
1:34:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. I'm really looking forward to it. There's
1:34:21
Speaker 2: a lot of good TV if it's all right now,
1:34:23
Speaker 2: So yeah, hopefully it'll go by really quickly and we'll
1:34:27
Speaker 2: get the new season fast.
1:34:29
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the other thing I would like them to
1:34:32
Speaker 1: answer is this how when they're filling the code and
1:34:39
Speaker 1: Mark was erasing the code on his computer that was
1:34:43
Speaker 1: supposed to be Gemma's like memories and everything. I get it,
1:34:48
Speaker 1: that was probably like a since they wish romantically involved,
1:34:52
Speaker 1: there is probably like a psychological emotional kind of tethering
1:34:57
Speaker 1: to them. But I'm wondering if they're going to possibly,
1:35:02
Speaker 1: ah give it more details into all that.
1:35:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that they will. I think that there's
1:35:13
Speaker 2: going to be more to do with the what they're
1:35:17
Speaker 2: actually doing, because that's a big question that I had
1:35:24
Speaker 2: about the series, is when p d was running the
1:35:27
Speaker 2: Severn floor whenever he was managing it, because they made
1:35:30
Speaker 2: it seem like that Mark was the only one they
1:35:34
Speaker 2: could do this job because it was Jimma. It was
1:35:39
Speaker 2: because it's his wife, Okay, and he's the only one
1:35:42
Speaker 2: that can complete it. So what was PD doing whenever
1:35:45
Speaker 2: he was the head of the company.
1:35:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's that's a really uh, that's a
1:35:54
Speaker 1: really good question. Like we still and we still have
1:35:57
Speaker 1: many of them. So I'm I'm definitely listed in a
1:36:01
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1:36:05
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1:36:10
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1:36:12
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1:36:16
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1:36:18
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