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The Wizard of Oz · The Art of Costume Podcast

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Hello, welcome to the Art Costume Podcast.
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I'm Mose with Joy Glass. And I'm a wizard without powers.
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Spencer Williams and. That's like the best
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introduction you've ever given. Probably the most accurate.
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Hit. I'm recording to for you all
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live from the Emerald City. With our Emerald City backdrop.
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It finally makes sense after a whole year a.
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Whole year we finally fitted it. Hey costumers, welcome back.
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I'm so excited for today's episode talking about one of the
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world's most famous films of all time, the.
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Wizard of Oz. Doesn't get more famous than the
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Wizard of Oz. It really doesn't.
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It really doesn't. You know a fun fact, when I was
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a small child, The Wizard of Oz was my favorite movie.
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That doesn't surprise me at all, actually.
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I don't know why. I don't know why.
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I had my parents got me like it was like a foot tall.
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Judy Garland as Dorothy doll and like you, you press a little
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button on the front and she sang over the rainbow.
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And I had like this little cabinet with all these figurines
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of all the characters as a small in like kindergarten.
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My favorite shoes to wear were these red.
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They were like red glitter. Shoes.
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Oh my gosh, it's. Like the Ruby slit?
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I love it. This episode was made for you.
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Then you should have wore those to the episode.
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Yeah, 'cause they would fit me now.
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Well, as you can all imagine, we have so much to get into.
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But first, I just want to remind everyone that our new sister
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podcast, The Costume House with Spencer Williams, which hosted
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by me, Spencer Williams, is now live.
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We have two episodes live by the time you're listening to this.
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We have one battle after another with Colleen Atwood and hamming
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it with Malgozia Terzanska, someone who we want to interview
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on a podcast for a long time, ever since our The Green Knight
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episode. Yes.
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So I finally got the chapter and obviously so cool.
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I can't wait to hear it. Such a great film.
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You're going to love that movie, by the way.
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I can't wait to see it. It's on my list.
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Yeah, the things I really got to see in the theaters.
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It's kind of made for you, but it made me cry like a baby.
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So I've already seen it. So I won't be going with you,
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but you should definitely go. It made you cry so much you
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don't want to see it again. You all should see it multiple
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times. I will wait for you in the
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lobby. You are like.
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Let me know, I'll be I'll grab some popcorn.
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I'll be seeing Avatar 1200 times.
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That's my safe space. Movies of emotions make me
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nervous. Oh my gosh.
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Which is maybe why we also mindlessly love to watch The
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Wizard of Oz, which is just such a feel good, fun movie full of
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kooky music, beautiful costumes, incredible sets, colour.
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I mean, this is a huge film in the movement of colour films.
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I mean there's there's entire books about the Wizard of Oz
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Entire. Documentary after documentary.
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So this is a packed 1. Though I will say we are not
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Wizard of Oz ologist so no. There's so much like.
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We're giving you the Art of Costume podcast summary.
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Yeah. They're like, there's too much
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and there's so much drama. If you want to know more,
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there's so much out there you can find it, don't worry.
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But we'll still give it our best shot, starting with a summary
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and learning a little bit more about our director, which
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actually, there's not one director on The Wizard of Oz,
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No. Was there 2, 3-4?
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There were five directors on The Wizard of Walks, of course, four
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of them. It appears to not do as much as
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one of them. Yeah, I think that most of them
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were unaccredited. Well, actually all of them were
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unaccredited except for Victor Fleming, our director, who you
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will know for his Oscar award-winning work on Gomp to
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win Captain Craigis, a guy named Joe, Doctor Jekyll, Mr. Hyde.
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There's like a million two films under his belt.
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So. But some other directors who
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worked on this film as well were George Cocor, Norman Tarrag,
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Richard Thorpe and King Vidor. So.
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I kind of, I kind of want to like research more into King
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Vidor because I'm like, how do you have a name like that?
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And like, I don't, I don't know it.
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Mind you, I might be saying it wrong, but that's what it looks
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like to me. I.
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Mean. That's what it looks like to me
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too. Let's get into this summary.
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After the original Karen, Miss Gulch tries to take away Dorothy
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dog Toto, a tornado rips through Kansas and a doer are whisked
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away in their house to the magical Land of Odds.
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They followed the Yellow Brick Road toward the Emerald City to
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meet the Wizard, and on route they meet a scarecrow that needs
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a brain, a Tin Man missing a heart, and a cowardly Lion who
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wants courage. The Wizard asked the group to
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bring him the Broom of the Wicked Witch of the West to earn
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his help, and that is the Wizard of Oz.
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That is The Wizard of Oz. And if you don't know what we're
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talking about, you just Google it like it is probably the most
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recognizable film of all time. Like it's hard.
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There's not a lot of other films where you just be like, oh,
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Wizard of Oz and you and you see like Judy Garland, the Tin Man,
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like all the images just pop up. Yeah, it's so recognizable, so
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well documented. It's just crazy to me how long
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this film's been around. I mean, it's been around since
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it feels like we gain of time. One of my favorite.
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Like think about like the Wizard of Oz was around like during
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World War 2 like. That's like a fact that blows.
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My mind it was. It was made and released right
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before World War 2 started. It's just so bizarre to me, but
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nevertheless, I'm excited to get into it because this film has
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some of the most iconic costumes of all time also.
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Most iconic costumes. So let's meet our costume
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designer Adrian, who was the head of costume design at MGM
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from 1928 to 1941 and is credited with designing over 250
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films. Because this was the studio era
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and the head designer's name got put on everything.
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You will know his work from The Merry Widow in 1925, Lady
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Linton, from 1932 Marie Antoinette, which I think we
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should totally do at some point. Yeah, from 1938, The
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Philadelphia Story and Zig Fell Girl.
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Yeah, I, I, I kept coming across Marie Antoinette and I went to
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the library and got books on Adrian.
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Yeah. And I kept coming across Marie
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Antoinette. So I won't check that out.
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It's I really didn't know a lot about Marie Antoinette.
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And I was researching Adrian's for something else years ago and
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images from Marie Antoinette came up and I had recognized
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them because they're just out on the Internet.
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But I had no idea, like, oh, that was a film.
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But when it comes to Adrian, he was one of the most influential
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costume designers and fashion designers of the 20th century.
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From the legendary style of Joan Crawford to the stunning on
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screen gowns of Greta Garbo and the elegant yet austere style of
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World War 2 America, Adrian's creativity and taste helped
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create the glamour of the golden age of cinema that continues to
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influence fashion today. Yeah, I mean, I could look at
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pictures of Joan Crawford and Adrian all day long.
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It's just that duo. It's one of my favorites.
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It's incredible and especially like I was reading about when he
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had his atelier and was designing fashion and World War
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Two hits and he's like, well, I can't do.
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He basically couldn't do what he was known for, but he pulled
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everything in. He he created a whole new style
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for America and the world to have during that time of tragedy
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and scarceness and still look beautiful and glamorous.
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And we talked about Adrian on his podcast all the time and
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like even in films that you wouldn't even think like, we
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talked about Adrian a lot in our Blade Runner episode, talking
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about how silhouettes and that film were inspired by that of
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Adrian's, you know, from the 40s and whatnot and 30s so.
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He had a taste and a style that will never stop influencing
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people. But when it came to costume
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design, he said the dramatic situations in a picture must be
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costumed according to the feeling of a scene.
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And Dang if his costumes don't convey a feeling.
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In Dressed by Deborah Landis, Dee McCarthy is quoted of is
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quoted saying of costume design during the 1930s at the large
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studios. During Hollywood's Golden Age,
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costume designers had no fixed line in the production budget
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and they worked accordingly. It also says that one of the
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estimates is that over 6,000,000 was spent by Hollywood studios
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on costumes in 1938 alone. This wonderful confluence of
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resources and material, staff, costume, stock and finances was
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probably the greatest abundance at the very successful MGM
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Studios, which is why we got The Wizard of Oz.
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That's why we call it the Golden Age.
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Everyone was feeling it when it came to costume was.
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Feeling it and because of the depression, film was something
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people could still afford to go to at the at the time it was one
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of the cheapest things you could do.
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So studios were raking in the money and Adrian took full
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advantage of that with his work. The Wizard of Oz was his baby.
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He was preparing his whole life, almost, for the Wizard of Oz.
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Literally. When reminiscing about his work
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on the film, Adrian said I had more fun over Oz than a trip to
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Europe. It was the greatest fun I have
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ever had in costume design. And he was particularly excited
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to work on this project because he loved the Wizard of Oz books
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as a kid. They were being released as he
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was growing up, and he loved them more than anything else.
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He took a lot of his inspiration for The Wizard of Oz from
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drawings he'd made as a child. Yeah, I read that.
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I came across the fact too. He used to draw what he imagined
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the characters would look like when he was a kid.
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Yeah, which is like, that's crazy, but you can do that.
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And then years later be like, hey, Mom, Dad says, can you send
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me? I need those sketches from when
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I was 12. Thank you.
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The studios like you already did the sketches, like yeah.
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Just just a little something I thought of might come in handy.
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And for The Wizard of Oz, in addition to these childhood
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sketches, he made 3210 costume sketches, painted all of them to
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match the requirements of Technicolor film.
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Technicolor was very new technology and was had very
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specific specifications for what colors would and would not work.
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Pretty much every costume in the film was custom made since there
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was nothing appropriate in The MGM costume stock.
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Just nothing for the citizens of Oz and just for extras alone,
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124 Munchkin costumes were created and 300 costumes were
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created for the citizens of the Emerald City.
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It's no joke it. Really isn't it really isn't.
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So many people poured so much into this and I can't wait for
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us to go behind the costumes and behind the scenes.
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I'm so excited. I can't believe that it's season
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5 and we haven't talked about the Wizard of Oz.
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So I I feel like it's due time, especially we have Wicked Part 2
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coming out. Yeah, well, actually it is that
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one. I think it's out.
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I just haven't seen it. But now's the time, so I'm
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ready. Let's take a little break and
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we'll hop into our house that gets flung into the sky by a
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tornado. Just flung into a whole new
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Now back to the show. All right, Elizabeth, Are you
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ready to head to Kansas? In a very sepia tone.
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You know it. You know it.
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Every time I see these opening scenes of The Wizard of Oz every
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single time, I'm like, huh, I thought this movie was in color
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every time. Even though, famously, the parts
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in Kansas are not in color. Yeah, I just, it always takes me
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a minute, but now I've seen this film, probably this is like my
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third time watching Wizard of Oz this year.
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I don't know why. I just I've just been making up
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for lost time. I guess so.
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It's the first time I've seen it since I was a child.
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And quite frankly, all this time I was always like, I could never
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understand why her aunt and uncle gave Toto to the terrible
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neighbor. And then when the neighbor comes
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by with the warrant, I'm like, that's, that's why.
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I was just always like, what is wrong with Dorothy's aunt,
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uncle? And then I'm like, oh, this,
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this makes sense. I called Missus.
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Is it Missus Gilch or Missus Gulch?
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Missus G We'll call her Missus G She is the original Karen.
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The the nerve of this woman that come with a warrant that she
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pulled out of her pocket. I'm sorry.
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You're going to have to go get the sheriff and have them
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present the warrant for me. Hey Toto, running through your
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garden, chasing your cat, maybe messing some stuff up.
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Not cool. Sounds like maybe Toto might
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have bit her. Yeah.
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But Toto's so cute. Toto's so cute.
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It's Toto's a tiny dog. But maybe like, this also
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clearly wasn't the first time this happened.
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Oh, yeah. Maybe like the first time it
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happened. Go to her animal will be like
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hey when she's like not on your farm, could she like put a leash
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on the dog maybe? Love Judy Garland, love Dorothy,
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but she does seem like the rules rule following isn't really
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hers. Not her.
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Strong suit, Yeah, No. No, she's definitely.
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I mean, I think she's just bored out her mind, which like if I
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was a child of the Depression who lived in the middle of
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nowhere Kansas, I kind of get it.
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I mean she could just help on the farm but.
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Oh yeah, but do you really think she's getting that dress that
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messy? No, I don't.
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It also. Doesn't sound like her aunt and
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uncle are asking for her help though.
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And she's. Probably tried to help.
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I could see her being one of those kids who really tried to
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help. And every time they tried to
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help, they made things worse. And now everyone's just like,
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it's OK, Dorothy. Yeah, but I really do love those
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opening scenes. I just, you know, even though
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it's in that sepia tone, it is actually quite beautiful and you
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could just really see the detail that Adrian put into the
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costumes, even though they're supposed to be, you know, very
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kind of dirty working class people on the farm.
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I even though the mean neighbor lady who is played by Margaret
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Hamilton is a jerk, she still looks good.
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I love the lines on her shirt. I love Adrian's use of line and
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silhouette in this film, which he's known for in general.
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But like, and we'll talk about Dorothy's dress later, but just
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seeing the lines in like the bodice and the neighbor's shirt.
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And then I always, every single time.
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I love seeing all the farmhands because they end up being the
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tin man, the lion and the scarecrow.
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But it wasn't until I was older when I actually realized that.
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So it's fun now to. See it, that was definitely
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something cuz like I watched documentaries about the Wizard
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of Oz on and off through the years.
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And so I knew that this time going into it's definitely
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something I didn't pick up on as a child, also didn't pick up on
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the like traveling professor man.
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She runs into being the wizard. Fun fact about the coat he
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wears, it was thrifted by the actor and they found L Frank
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Baum, the author of the Wizard of Oz.
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His name was stitched into the lining and was it was confirmed
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by his widow and Taylor that the coat had once been owned by the
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author. So one of the one of his pieces
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of clothing made it into the film.
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A lot of people think that was like APR stunt or didn't
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actually happen, but there's really no evidence to the
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contrary like. So we're going to believe it,
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but the chances of that feel insane?
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Well. L Frank Baum lived in the Los
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Angeles area. Yeah, I know.
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I mean, it's possible. It's possible.
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It it, it was very possible. So yeah, I'm like, OK.
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Yeah, I'll choose to believe it. I'll choose to believe it.
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I'm you know what? I think it's a cool coincidence.
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I also think the munchkin Land aesthetic is incredible.
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It's incredible. First, I love that moment which
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everyone talks about when the color just fills the screen and
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it really transports you. That is like such a cool moment
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and I'll never get old. That being said, Munchkin Land
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has and always will probably terrify me.
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Why? It's the lollipop.
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Guild, what's wrong? With the Lollipop Guild.
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I don't. Know they're like they're all
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have such fun colors on. Their costumes are amazing.
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Why do they scare? You.
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I don't know, it's just it's always I.
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We have the Lullaby League and they're adorable little.
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The Lullaby league's cute. The Lullaby League is cute,
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Yeah. I don't know.
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Is that really crazy to say? It's like a nervous energy part
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for me at Munchkinland. I will say I thought it was a
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little when they first wouldn't come out, but I mean, the
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munchkins are traumatized. They've been traumatized by the
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wicked witches. And, you know, they're a little
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reluctant to trust somebody new, which I get, but it is a little
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creepy when you just hear them, like, laughing.
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I will give you that. But once they come out, it's
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like, OK, love the colour blocking.
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Yeah, love the Plaid. The Munchkins know how to dress.
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The Munchkins do. Know to.
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Dress the one munchkin with the certificate of death and the
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blue and like the really interesting hat.
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Yes, like that's a really cool one.
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The mayor looks great. I mean, I just can't even
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imagine. Well, actually, I've, I've seen
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pictures of like the clothing racks that, you know, like from
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Adrian and his team studio. Can you just imagine like those
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racks and racks are just all these and no piece is the same,
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No? No piece is the same.
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He also put a lot of like flower detail and like kind of like
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natural elements 'cause you see them all pop up from the ground.
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So he really wanted them to like be connected to like the nature
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around them, which is so cool. Would love to know who did the
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hats on this because they are incredible.
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Although Adrian's parents had been milliners, so he could have
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just designed them himself and been like here you go.
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Totally. And one thing also about like
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Munchkinen too, is like there was a lot of you could tell they
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use color to kind of describe the different, you know, like
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there's a lollipop Guild, the three girls that you were
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talking about the. Lullaby League.
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The lullaby league like they all had their own like like color
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color schemes too as well which I thought was very interesting
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which I didn't notice until this watch around also so.
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They definitely have their everyone has their own style,
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but it it's all Munchkin land. Yeah, it's all Munchkin land.
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But the part that we all like remember is that first time you
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see Billy Burke arrive as Linda the Good witch, it is one of the
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most incredible, you know, costumes that we've seen at this
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point in cinema. And it's so, so recognize and
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I'm excited that we got to do that one episode with Paul
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Tazewell about Wicked two, who got to talk about his
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inspirations from the dress and just how much this dress has
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inspired people in costume to this day.
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It absolutely has. An Billy Burke, who played
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Glenda, set up her costume. I looked like a fugitive from a
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German opera. But in a way, I suppose to
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Linda's a heroic figure. She only has to wave her wand
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and the world is changed much like Queen Victoria did in real
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life. So I love that she's like, this
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is kind of wild, but like also she loves the chaotic energy of
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it, like because Linda's got some chaotic energy and it's
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gorgeous. In the book.
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Apparently she wears white with Silver Stars, but the
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Technicolor, they weren't going to like lose any chances.
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So Adrian went with pink and Silver Stars, which I'm like,
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that's just perfect, especially because like Glenda gives off
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this very like bubble gummy like cheerfulness.
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So the pink goes perfectly with that.
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Yeah, I think it's a good choice.
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I love the pink and I love how it stands out, especially right
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standing next to Dorothy in the blue.
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I just think it works really well.
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The bubble is pink, so yeah, I think it was a.
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The hair is perfect and shout out to the to make up team.
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I was watching a documentary on YouTube because I believe Billy
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Burke was in her late 50s early 60s when she did this and they
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basically gave her a facelift using silk which is why she
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looks so young because like. I know you could do that.
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I had always thought like she was in like her 20s or 30s and
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no. She's she looks great, Yeah.
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I'm like. Who?
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Who did? The makeup again.
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Speaking of interesting makeup, we have the scarecrow.
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We're starting to meet our our foursome that Dorothy hooks up
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with the Scarecrow. Another fun character.
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I I was also watching a documentary earlier.
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I believe the Scarecrow costume is currently at the Smithsonian
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and they they haven't you got to see in this documentary.
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And he actually stuffed it with straw like that's, that's a real
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straw that they're stuffing in there.
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Yeah, it is. And Ray Boulder, so perfect in
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this role. And Adrian, in addition to his
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childhood sketches, really drew inspiration from the books.
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The Scarecrow looks very much like his illustrated counterpart
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and the rubber mask only covered half his face made it.
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They made it to look like burlap and they went through dozens of
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them during the course of filming, which I'm just like,
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honestly, like you really the way Ray Boulder a moves because
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he he was such an incredible dancer and the way the straw is
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hanging out of like every part of that costume.
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It's really hard to tell that like he is a human like, which
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is weird to say but very true. It's a very convincing scarecrow
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costume, honestly. I mean, you know, it's very
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good. I was reading a a book with had
26:04
like a bunch of quotes from Judy Garland and she basically said
26:07
Roy Bulger was Ray Bulger was always dancing on set to like
26:11
that was that was him the scarecrow.
26:14
It was like perfect casting. Yeah, they also, however, they
26:18
did threaten him with the Tin Man part at one point because
26:22
apparently he was just very full of himself.
26:25
We're going to have to ground you here.
26:28
The. Tin Man had a little bit less on
26:30
screen time and the Tin Man had a little less screen time.
26:36
However, his costume also closely resembled the original
26:41
book illustrations, but instead of metal was made of starched
26:48
and lined buckram and painted silver.
26:53
Now Buddy Epson was first cast to play the Tin Man, however his
27:03
powdered silver based makeup ended up coating the inside of
27:09
his lungs and According to him, one day on set he just breathed
27:14
in and then nothing happened and he woke up in the hospital.
27:19
What? No.
27:22
The studio called the next day. I was like, hey, when can you
27:25
start filming again? How about never?
27:32
Buddy Epson got replaced with Jack Holley because basically he
27:36
wouldn't get better soon enough. So we have Jack Holley as the
27:42
Tin Man. You will still hear Buddy
27:45
Epson's voice though on We're off to see the Wizard.
27:48
They didn't re record his singing for it and for Jack they
27:54
created a cream based silver makeup so that he would not
27:59
breathe in the silver and avoid going to the hospital.
28:03
After they used the last actor as a Guinea pig.
28:06
Literally that's. Crazy.
28:10
Oh. Yeah.
28:12
With that, another character that I love, I'm sorry.
28:15
This character also used to spook me out as a kid.
28:18
Really. I talk about the Cowardly Lion,
28:20
but. He's he's so nice.
28:23
He's so nice and so adorable. Something about that moment
28:26
though when he puts a little bow and he like kind of curls his
28:28
hair after the makeover scene and it never sat right with.
28:32
Me. OK, I mean the Wizard of Oz has
28:39
scared many a child so. Yeah, I guess I was one of their
28:43
children. I'm a little on edge for this
28:45
episode. I was, I think by the time
28:48
Wizard of Oz became my favorite movie I was already traumatized
28:51
by Mars Attack so not there wasn't a lot that could scare me
28:55
at. That point.
28:57
But. We have Bert Lars the Cowardly
29:01
Lion, which was made-up of real lion skins and a mane.
29:07
What? This movie's wild things have
29:13
changed. Things have changed.
29:16
There was padding on the inside that made it weigh about 50 lbs.
29:22
Apparently Burt Lars kind of hated that.
29:24
He was just like dying of heat all the time.
29:30
It wasn't great. A lot of people suffered for
29:32
their costumes on this film. Well, if you look at the makeup
29:36
test, they don't look thrilled to be there.
29:38
Either Yeah, they don't they. Don't, which I want to shout out
29:42
if you all currently on this play at the Academy Museum in
29:46
Los Angeles, there's a whole section dedicated to makeup test
29:50
from the Wizard of Oz currently in the costume section.
29:53
Let's. Go.
29:54
So you could see, I mean some of these pictures which Elizabeth
29:57
is providing for the podcast. You could see some of the actual
30:00
prints and Skechers. For The Wizard of Oz, it's one
30:03
of the few like old time films that really has a lot of great
30:08
pictures of like the screen tests.
30:11
There's a lot of them out there. The tail was manipulated with
30:16
fish with a fishing rod and wire during the filming, which I
30:20
think is just so funny. I sort of like I when we were
30:24
watching, I was watching one of the documentaries about this.
30:26
I was watching it with our friend Kelly.
30:29
And because they were talking about how like literally every
30:32
single effect in this is practical in some way.
30:36
And she like we were both just like blown away by everything.
30:39
But for some reason, I found it so funny that like the tale of
30:44
the lion, it's just fishing wire because like nowadays you think
30:48
like, oh, they put some sort of like mechanical something and
30:51
like someone is behind. No, it's just a guy with a
30:54
fishing rod. Yeah, it's a guy with a fishing
30:56
rod, but that falls behind him to make the tail move.
30:59
And in that same book, which I'm going to put in the show notes,
31:03
the book title, Judy Garland talked about how she just
31:07
thought it was hilarious and that she would always just be
31:09
laughing at Bert Lahr because. The director slapped her at one
31:15
point because she was laughing so much.
31:19
I didn't read that part. Yes, he slapped her.
31:22
Then after they were done filling he was like I'm sorry
31:24
you can slap me in return. But apparently she had a crush
31:27
on him so she's like no, I'll just kiss you on the nose
31:29
instead. I did know that.
31:31
Which I'm like, good thing things have changed.
31:38
Maybe. But cowardly lion, especially
31:44
his like prosthetics for his face, they just transform him so
31:51
perfectly. Especially because they
31:53
considered using The MGM lion at first.
31:58
But their insurance guys were like no fucking way.
32:03
They were like, you cannot put a live lion on stage with your
32:08
three other main actors. Absolutely not.
32:11
Of the wild. I mean, there is like prosthetic
32:13
ears, lips, jowls. It's it's all, it's a whole
32:17
thing. And it's done to great effect.
32:19
And I believe it's still surviving.
32:21
I, I, I saw it's been like auctioned off, like the whole
32:25
thing. It's looking a little rough, but
32:26
yeah. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, we.
32:30
Have the flying monkey I. Love the flying monkeys.
32:33
I will say the one part. That did scare me as a kid, was
32:37
the flying monkeys. That's fair, because they're
32:39
just a little terrifying. Well, I feel that way about all
32:42
monkeys. In general, really.
32:45
Yeah, I. Mean there's.
32:46
A reason why we haven't done the planned of the apes on this
32:49
podcast. Really.
32:51
Yeah. They freaked me out, OK?
32:55
Colleen Atwood, Your. Film the Planet of the apes from
32:58
the 2000s ruined my life and. It's it's scary.
33:03
Giving me ideas for next season all.
33:05
Right with Tim Tim Burton. Directed it.
33:07
And Helena Bonham Carter's a monkey.
33:09
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a sick.
33:11
Movie and not. In a sick way.
33:13
Like I love it, Sick like it. It makes my hair stand up.
33:17
Fascinating. But anyways.
33:20
Fascinating flying monkeys. Honestly, when you just see.
33:24
Little screenshots of them, they're so cute.
33:27
I love their little valeros and the little hat.
33:30
Yeah, perfect. I.
33:32
Always thought of like they had it like a circus element to them
33:35
too. It's like a circus print to me.
33:39
Yeah, you're right. But also it's very like, like
33:44
flames, kind of spooky. Oh, we have the wicked.
33:52
Witch of the West, played by Margaret Hamilton.
33:55
But do you know what, Spencer? She wasn't supposed to be the
33:59
Wicked Witch of the West at first.
34:01
Surprising. Surprise, surprise.
34:03
Who is she supposed to be at first?
34:05
She was supposed to be. GAIL Sondergrad They oh, I've
34:11
seen pictures of. I've seen these makeup tests
34:14
before. Yeah, She's the.
34:15
She's the. Voice of the Evil Queen in this
34:19
in Snow White and the Snow White film, which had come out like
34:25
about two years before they started production on The Wizard
34:27
of Oz, was a huge inspiration for the team because at the time
34:34
fantasy was not a big seller and so they were really worried
34:39
about adapting a fantasy novel. So they drew a lot of
34:42
inspiration from Disney Snow White, including casting GAIL
34:48
Songgrad at 1st. And she was supposed to have
34:52
this very like elegant evil persona, which you can see first
34:59
in this like sequin Black Hat. Like she was all Adrian had her
35:03
all decked out in sequins. Then they were like, no, like
35:08
glamour really isn't the way to go for this.
35:11
And so they started to like, make her look a little ugly or a
35:15
little bit more like the ugly wicked, which we know.
35:18
And she was out. She refused to play an ugly
35:22
witch, actually. I'm good.
35:25
Yeah, She was like. She did a couple of.
35:28
These tests and then was like, absolutely not, which is how we
35:32
got the. Incredible.
35:33
Margaret Hamilton, who talk about scary.
35:40
Yeah. And so iconic.
35:41
Too I I love the Wicked witch of the West.
35:45
So iconic. I'm glad that Margaret Hamilton
35:47
got to do it. I love the black cornered hat.
35:50
It to me I if you all listen to our podcasts about Raiders of
35:54
the Lost Ark, me and Deborah Landis talk about how like
35:57
there's two iconic hats and film history.
36:00
It's Indiana Jones hat and the Wicked Witch's hat.
36:03
Absolutely. I love it because it's just.
36:05
So simple. It's just that point, you know,
36:08
which obviously it's like a witch trope, but just somehow
36:12
the Wizard of Oz, it almost feels like it comes from the
36:14
Wizard of Oz, even though it doesn't.
36:16
Yeah. It's just like, like when people
36:18
think of witches, they think of Margaret Hamilton's witch with
36:21
that like black little. Wispiness that you can see as
36:25
she's flying. And I love the simplicity of it,
36:29
but I also love seeing some of the pictures where you can see
36:33
the detail. Like Adrian spared no expense
36:38
even though there's only like 11 minutes of the Wicked Witch.
36:45
A lot of it got cut and she was also out for several weeks
36:51
because the stunt in Munchkin Land where she disappears in
36:57
smoke and fire. They got it perfectly on a
37:00
couple takes. Went to lunch, came back, she
37:04
got first. And second degree.
37:05
Burns, I knew it. I knew you were going to say.
37:08
Something, something burned her, I guess what the studio did.
37:13
They called the next day and asked.
37:15
When she could come back to work.
37:18
The HR department with the. Wizard of Oz.
37:20
It's wild. I don't think it existed.
37:24
Because. Her.
37:25
First day back to work. Oh gosh.
37:28
They had planned the. Broomstick stunt where she goes
37:37
off on her broomstick and there's smoke and fire as she's
37:40
going off into the sky. And Margaret Hamill was like,
37:43
you gotta be kidding me. Especially because they handed
37:46
her a flame retardant suit and they were like, oh, it's
37:49
perfectly safe, don't worry. And she was like, you just
37:51
handed me a flame retardant suit.
37:54
That means you're worried. Yeah, and she's like.
37:57
I have a. Son, I have a child.
37:59
I no she refused to do it so they got.
38:04
Her body double. Who was also a stunt double.
38:08
That stunt double landed in the hospital.
38:10
Because it blew up right underneath.
38:12
Her. I'm not laughing because it's.
38:17
Funny. Not.
38:19
It she her injuries were. Extensive.
38:24
Some of them were internal. Oh my gosh, it.
38:27
Like really ruined. That poor woman's career.
38:30
Wow, yeah, so Wizard of. Oz A lot of.
38:34
People thought it was cursed for a while and I can understand
38:38
why. Yeah, it's starting.
38:39
It's feeling darker and darker as.
38:40
We go through this podcast, you know, maybe.
38:45
You know it wasn't dark, Spencer, when Margaret Hamill.
38:49
Went on. Mr. Rogers.
38:50
Neighborhood years. Later because.
38:54
The Wicked Witch terrified children for many, many years.
39:01
So she went on Mr. Rogers Neighborhood to kind of like
39:06
explain the process of being an actor, and she put on her
39:09
costume. Do you want to take a little
39:10
look? I do.
39:11
That'll be fine. I I.
39:13
Haven't seen Mr. Rogers Neighborhood in a long time.
39:17
Her name is. Margaret Hamilton.
39:19
Here's a picture of her. One of the movies that she
39:21
played in is called The Wizard of Oz and she played the part of
39:28
the Wicked Witch of the West. Oh.
39:32
Miss Hamilton. Oh nice.
39:34
To see you. I'm glad to see you, I'd.
39:36
Like you to know my television friend Margaret Hamilton.
39:40
I'll see. Neil.
39:41
I take that. Gave these to us.
39:44
Won't you come in? Yes, thank you.
39:45
I'd love to. That's a familiar costume for.
39:53
You, isn't it? It is.
39:56
Before we try this on, I'd just like.
39:58
To talk with you a while. Be lovely to talk to you.
40:03
I'm interested to know about how.
40:05
You felt about playing that Wicked Witch in The Wizard of
40:09
Oz? Well, I really was very thrilled
40:10
to. I I had done it very often, not
40:15
that one, but a witch. When I was a little girl on
40:17
Halloween. That was the thing that I always
40:19
wanted to dress up as, like lots of children would rather be a
40:23
witch than almost anything else. There are lots of other things
40:25
you can pick out, but that's the one I loved.
40:27
And so when I had the chance to do this, I was very, very happy
40:30
about it. Well, girls and.
40:33
Boys like to play witches. Yes they do.
40:35
Yes, they certainly do. And when you feel as if you'd
40:38
like. To play something a little bit
40:40
scary, a witch is a fine thing to play.
40:43
Yes, she she has lots of. Things about her I I've always
40:47
felt that the sometimes the children feel that she's very
40:50
mean witch and I suspect she does seem that way.
40:54
But I always think that there are two things about her.
40:56
She does enjoy everything that she does, whether it's good or
41:00
bad, She enjoys it. But she also is what we
41:03
sometimes refer to as frustrated.
41:06
She's she's very unhappy because she never gets what she wants.
41:10
Mr. Rogers, you know, most of us get something along the line,
41:14
but far as we know that which just never got what she wanted.
41:18
And mainly she wanted those, those Ruby slippers because she
41:22
had lots of power and she wanted more power.
41:25
And I just think that sometimes we think she's just mean and a,
41:29
a very bad person. But actually you have to think
41:31
about her point of view that it wasn't as as happy a time as she
41:37
wanted it to be because she just never got what she wanted.
41:41
Would you try on a? Dress like the one you had on.
41:44
Yes, I'd, I'd love to. I think that.
41:46
Would be fun. Now we've.
41:49
Seen the hat? But Elsie told me that a lot of
41:54
pieces of the costume were in here.
41:56
Oh my. How nice.
41:59
Yes, that's my skirt. How would you put that?
42:04
Oh, you just put it. Around like this and tie it.
42:11
Look at here. It's.
42:12
Something to put things. In.
42:14
Even witches have to have pockets.
42:19
There, it's helping me just to see you.
42:24
Get into these things. Oh, I'm glad to know that
42:27
you're. A.
42:28
Real lady who got dressed up to play this part.
42:39
I want to turn around and I'll show.
42:40
My friends that this is a real zipper back here, just like the
42:46
zipper on my sweaters. There it goes.
42:54
There. There.
42:57
That's good. You know this is just like a.
43:00
Halloween. Costume too, isn't it?
43:02
It really is. Oh, 'cause there's the Cape.
43:08
Now, see, sometimes I wear the Cape and fly it around like
43:12
that, and sometimes I don't wear the Cape at all.
43:18
Would you touch the Cape and then Miss Rogers?
43:20
Thank you. And now the hat.
43:24
Now let's see there. There's your old friend.
43:35
The Wicked Witch of the Worst. How did how did she talk?
43:39
Well, she talked like this. It's very nice to.
43:41
See you that was so. Sweet, right?
43:47
That just. That kind of made my day a
43:48
little bit. That was sweet.
43:50
I I love. Even because I must.
43:55
Have been like. Gosh, why did Mr. Rogers start
43:58
the 70s or 80s? I have no idea.
44:02
Like this film? Even then, because especially
44:05
when it went into television syndication, so many people came
44:10
to know and love it. And I love that, like, he took
44:13
time out of his show to be like, hey, like, this is what an
44:17
actress does. And like this is costume in a
44:20
way that like kids could understand.
44:24
But you know, it's also pretty. Cool, the Emerald City we got to
44:28
get. Into it.
44:29
It's beautiful. It's beautiful, everything.
44:32
'S green. The same actor plays everybody,
44:38
almost. Yeah.
44:43
I mean, it's just such. Interesting, interesting
44:45
silhouettes, shapes. I mean you.
44:48
Just you don't. See anything like this?
44:50
The Wizard of Oz and the Emerald City were just something in its
44:54
own then you know, like like we talked to Paul Tesla about two
44:58
when he did wicked. It's like that lead up to the
45:00
Emerald City must. Have just been.
45:02
Terrifying because you know that this is a place of such like,
45:06
such kind of like posh class. Yeah, everyone.
45:10
There kind of has like. Good tastes, it's very elegant.
45:13
Spa just for visitors to Freshen.
45:15
Up. Yeah, which leads to that.
45:17
Terrifying. Moment with the cowardly lion
45:19
and is in new perm but. Like it is such a great.
45:24
Place to be it really is. Like they.
45:30
Give Dorothy a. Little perm like Frank Morgan,
45:34
There we go. He plays the wizard.
45:35
He also plays the doorman, the guard, the coachman.
45:40
And I especially love the guard because clearly Adrian took
45:47
inspiration from the guards outside Buckingham Palace with
45:50
that huge green fur hat. And just like, each look is so
45:58
unique. And then you get to the wizard.
46:01
Yeah. And the wizard looks quite.
46:03
Boring. Yeah, he's just a guy.
46:05
He's just a guy. The costume.
46:07
Is like, this is that of like a normal person, which I mean,
46:10
pretty immediately. Dorothy and the crew are like,
46:13
like, oh, you have no power at all.
46:15
You're just kind of a dork. Yeah, which?
46:19
Actually it works. Out it's not as strong there,
46:21
but they're like, oh, like he's just a guy, but then they start
46:25
to believe his power again. But I think just seeing him in
46:28
that suit at first was like jarring to them like that.
46:31
That can't be the wizard, especially because like that
46:34
huge. Projection of his, like, alien
46:37
head, yeah, is terrifying. That did scare me as a kid, but
46:43
you know. Who is brave and.
46:45
Gets through it anyway. Spencer man Judy Garland went
46:48
through it on. This film Garden went through
46:51
it. Do you know who was?
46:52
Supposed to play Dorothy at first though.
46:54
Oh oh I do. Actually, it was.
46:56
It was Shirley. Temple, right?
46:57
Yeah, I did my homework. MGM was supposed to.
47:04
Do basically an actor swap to get Shirley Temple to play
47:12
Dorothy because Shirley Temple was the right age to play the
47:17
book Dorothy. Unfortunately, the actress from
47:20
MGM that they were supposed to trade passed away suddenly and
47:25
this deal went through. But Judy Garland gave us an
47:34
iconic. Performance, yeah.
47:36
It's one of the most celebrated performances.
47:38
Of all time. Of all time.
47:41
And while Dorothy only had one costume for the entire film, it
47:47
took several tries before getting that iconic gingham
47:51
dress one of the options. Was light.
47:55
Blue with no trim. Another was gingham with trim.
48:03
There was another solid blue one with tiny bows.
48:06
Also Judy's hair went from red too blonde like it was all over
48:14
the place. They like the one of the most.
48:17
Simple costumes felt like it was just they had to just get it
48:19
right and they threw everything. And it's so funny 'cause I found
48:23
a picture of like. All all of the options right
48:27
next to each other and they all look so similar.
48:31
Like it's literally just like the color and the pattern and
48:34
the trim. Like, it's still like the
48:37
pinafore with the poppy sleeves. But when they changed directors
48:44
and Victor Fleming took over, he was not a fan of what was
48:48
happening at the time. So Adrian created the iconic
48:52
king and dress. And since Judy Garland was 16
48:58
when filming this and they still want us to portray her as being
49:02
very young, she was forced to wear a corset.
49:06
Under her. Costume to flat her, flatten her
49:09
chest and make her look more childlike.
49:11
Oh, I did not know that. Yeah.
49:13
So they didn't. They made the change of having
49:17
Dorothy be older, but they still tried to, like, force her into
49:20
this, like, fully childlike portrayal.
49:24
Yeah, 'cause I mean, they still like very much.
49:27
Playing Dorothy, they want someone who could really like
49:29
take on the singing and the performing.
49:31
Not that Shirley Temple couldn't, but they just like
49:34
they want Judy Garland obviously had something special, something
49:38
unique that that's like filled this role so perfectly.
49:43
And when they cast her, they did.
49:46
There were so many rewrites of the script, but they did add
49:49
like a subplot of like a romance between her and the Scarecrow,
49:54
which is why like at the end she's like, Oh, I think I'll
49:56
miss you the most. It's one of the lines that held
49:59
through. But then they were like, no,
50:02
this is weird. Not a not a fan.
50:05
Not. A.
50:06
Fan We'll just. Make her more childlike.
50:09
And force her into a corset. Yeah, that feels better.
50:12
I do love the dress though. Actually today when I was
50:15
watching it again, I was very fascinated by saying like the
50:19
stylized lines actually, because she does wear this dress through
50:22
the whole thing, but it's not like he just put her in a
50:25
gingham dress and called it a day.
50:27
Like it's a very actually tailored dress.
50:30
If you look at it closely, it's super tailored.
50:33
Like the blue and like this, you can tell like a lot of work went
50:39
into those sleeves because they're not too puffy and the
50:42
hair was perfect as well. Paul's like just in the.
50:47
Right spot on. The dress, too, that like,
50:49
barely covers the straps. It's Yeah.
50:52
You could just tell that even in the simple details that Adrian
50:56
and the team really like, took everything into consideration.
51:00
You know what they especially took into consideration?
51:04
The Ruby slippers. Oh.
51:06
My gosh. The Ruby slippers.
51:08
The Ruby slippers, they're basically their own character in
51:11
this film and just in cinema history, in cinema history post.
51:16
Production. The Ruby slippers have had just
51:19
an entire history unto themselves.
51:23
Yeah, I just before filming. Today I finished watching the
51:26
documentary, I think it's called like Red Ruby Handed or
51:31
something of that of that you could see on Disney Plus and
51:36
Hulu. It's a new documentary and it's
51:38
about the recent like, Oh yeah, of the Ruby slippers.
51:43
Being, you know, brought. Back they were stolen in like
51:46
2005 from the Judy Garland Museum in Oh my gosh, Minnesota
51:53
and it was stolen and it goes into this whole whole journey
51:58
and they were just. Barely.
51:59
Really. Returned and like a couple
52:03
years. Ago to the.
52:04
Original owner there were between 4:00 and 6:00 pairs of
52:10
these Ruby slippers. So there's a bunch of fakes out
52:12
there. There are there are 4 confirmed.
52:15
On screen, one's at the Academy Museum, one's at the Judy
52:19
Garland. Think there's a pair of the
52:21
Smithsonian. There is a pair of the
52:23
Smithsonian, so there's not one. At the Judy Garland anymore that
52:27
it was recently auctioned off for $21 million of all the
52:31
things in your museum you auction off.
52:33
That well, so they didn't go back to the museum.
52:35
After they lost it, they got it then.
52:39
They. Won't say.
52:40
Until that person. Decides he want the he she they
52:44
want the world to know. All right, so instead they got
52:50
they. Didn't.
52:51
Have the money. I'm just going into a hole like
52:53
rabbit hole now. They didn't have the money
52:55
obviously $21,000,000 to buy the slippers at auction after they
53:00
lost them the first time. But they were stolen from the
53:03
museum. They didn't get them back.
53:04
But they were property of. This collector who let the Judy
53:09
Garland Museum borrow it for a festival, and that got stolen
53:12
during the festival. So it was property of the
53:16
collector. When he got it back after all
53:18
these years, he was like, actually, I probably shouldn't
53:21
have these anymore. So he sold them.
53:25
And that's why they're now with a new collector or exhibition or
53:29
somewhere out there that we don't know yet, but hopefully
53:33
we'll find out one day. But yeah, so if we go to the
53:35
Judy Garland Museum now, now they got like a painting for
53:38
like $20,000, like out of the slippers, which is a huge
53:43
bummer. But anyways, yeah, check out
53:47
that documentary on. Hulu and Disney Plus, it was, it
53:51
was a fun watch. It's like an hour.
53:53
It's a true crime documentary about Ruby slippers.
53:56
And they talked about Adrian. It's like true crime.
53:58
You got me right there. Yeah.
54:00
It's like costume. Nerd true crime It's.
54:02
Really interesting. You know what else is
54:04
interesting, Spencer? The Ruby slippers weren't
54:07
supposed to be Ruby, right? And Frank L Baum's original
54:11
story Dorothy wears silver slippers.
54:16
However, silver wasn't going to have enough contrast in
54:22
Technicolor. And they were like, we are not
54:24
spending millions of dollars for one of the most important
54:28
objects in this film not to look perfect.
54:32
So Adrian came up with the idea of the red Ruby slippers because
54:38
they would contrast best with the yellow brick road.
54:43
And MGM was like, yes, thank you, $3,000,000, Thank you.
54:49
Yeah, like Silver would not. Have she does wear the blue
54:53
socks Dorothy does, but it just would not have worked.
54:56
Like even without the yellow brick road, I don't think silver
54:59
would have worked. And yeah.
55:02
That's they're actually more like a.
55:04
Burgundy in real life to match of like the Technicolor like
55:09
necessities that's like. When you hear a lot.
55:11
About like costume. Design and color, especially
55:13
back then, they had to do things a little bit off so that they
55:18
would film to the correct color. So they had to be that burgundy
55:22
so that they turned up bright. Like they're literally look fire
55:27
engine red. But yeah, we could talk about.
55:32
Those Ruby slippers? Oh, they were forever.
55:36
There's just, they're so beautiful.
55:38
I think they. Even had pads on the bottom
55:39
because of the yellow brick road also too.
55:42
Yeah, and it's so. Funny, you'll see behind the
55:45
scenes of Judy Garland wearing like these big floppy slippers
55:49
'cause they like, pinched her toes, so in between takes she
55:52
would just take them off, I'm sure, and wear slippers.
55:55
It's so funny too. And like how?
55:57
You know, I mean like the last pair auction for $21 million or
56:02
something. But like these shoes are made
56:04
for, I believe it's estimated like $15.00.
56:07
You know, it's just so funny to think that like these shoes that
56:10
she kicked off 'cause they hurt, just threw them around.
56:13
So you know, how just how iconic and legendary they would become.
56:18
It's so funny to me. I don't like.
56:20
I wonder how many pairs 'cause they they.
56:22
Made a bunch of pairs for her. I'm like, I wonder how many are
56:26
just like floating around. I know, I'm sure there's
56:30
probably. Another pair of just someone's
56:32
closet that they, you know, some collectors they're.
56:35
Somebody's like parent was a collector and they're just in a
56:37
trunk somewhere. Yeah, yeah, that's horrible to
56:40
think. About Well, we're going to take
56:42
a little break and when we come down, come back, come down.
56:46
When we come back from our trip down to Yellow Brick Road in
56:51
Emerald City, we're going to play our favorite games.
56:52
We are going to play our favorite games.
56:58
Spencer, now that we're at the end.
57:01
I think it's clear to see that Adrian had a huge impact on film
57:08
through The Wizard of Oz, and you can tell this most recently
57:14
when Ariana Grande wore one of his gowns to the London premiere
57:19
of Wicked for Good to pay tribute to the legendary film
57:25
and fashion designer. I love that, right?
57:29
Just singing. It on her too.
57:31
If you're watching on YouTube, we could see a picture just how
57:34
timeless the Adrian. So it looks.
57:36
I mean, Ariana Grande, I mean, she looks good and everything,
57:39
but like, all these years later, the Adrian on her just looked
57:43
incredible. And I think that's perfect
57:45
homage and a lot of respect to Ariana Grande and her stylist
57:49
team for doing a tribute to Adrian.
57:50
Because I don't think, yeah, I don't know.
57:53
I just maybe Adrian. Just.
57:54
Doesn't get enough credit for the Wizard of Oz like he does,
57:57
but I've just like he he just did so much of like carrying
58:02
this film on the costumes made the Wizard of Oz along with Judy
58:07
groans performance and whatnot. So I just put some respect on a
58:11
costume designer's name. I think it's that enduring
58:14
problem of. People just not knowing.
58:18
And caring. And only like costume nerds,
58:21
like us fashion nerds know who Adrian is.
58:25
But people just don't know their history.
58:28
Which is what you have us for. Share us with your friends.
58:33
And family so that they know. Things.
58:36
Well, with that, I'm so glad we finally.
58:38
Watched The Wizard of Oz. Do we even?
58:42
Give a stitch. Rating for the Wizard of Oz.
58:44
It feels a bit silly, but I don't think we can give a like.
58:51
I feel like it would. Be insulting to give us.
58:54
I think so too. I.
58:55
Think it's just like. So.
58:57
Legendary. And you can't argue it's.
59:02
Place in film history. Or American culture.
59:04
Yeah, Yeah, exactly. I I don't.
59:07
Think I even gave this a letterbox review.
59:10
I was like, what am I going to do?
59:12
What are you going to do? It's the Wizard of Oz.
59:17
But we. Can't play our other favorite
59:19
game? One costume to rule them all.
59:21
Let's do it. The one costume.
59:25
To rule them all. Spencer, what's your one
59:32
costume? To roll them all.
59:33
This is an easy one and actually you made it.
59:36
Even more easy when I got to watch that beautiful video with
59:40
Margaret Hamilton and Mr. Rodgers.
59:44
It has to be. The Wicked Witch of the West
59:46
costume. Yeah, just because it's so
59:49
iconic. It's cool, it's spooky, but
59:52
then, you know, it's hard wearing all black, especially
59:55
against green skin like that, and you kind of lose the detail.
59:58
But just this time around, getting to look closely at the
1:00:01
actual detail, the sleeves of the Wicked Witch's costume.
1:00:06
Seen the fabric below on the back of the hat.
1:00:09
It's just, to me, I love it. It's just iconic.
1:00:13
You can't get more iconic than the Wicked Witch costume.
1:00:16
It is definitely hard to. Get more iconic than the Wicked
1:00:20
Witch costume. It's it's a it's a symbol, yeah,
1:00:24
unto itself. And I feel like my one costume
1:00:28
to rule, rule them all is also a symbol unto itself.
1:00:31
And it is Dorothy's costume, her blue and white gingham dress,
1:00:36
the Ruby slippers. It's just I love this.
1:00:42
Growing up. Like I wanted to look like
1:00:45
Dorothy and. It's just like the.
1:00:49
Perfect encapsulation. I think of what they were trying
1:00:55
to do with The Wizard of Oz, which was make a fun children's
1:01:00
film. Fun children's film that we
1:01:01
would be obsessed with. All these years later, all these
1:01:04
years later, yeah, that's a good.
1:01:06
One. I mean, it's true and I've.
1:01:08
I've actually gotten a scene when the Dorothy dresses in
1:01:10
person before. Also at the at the Academy
1:01:12
Museum. You just go to the Academy
1:01:15
Museum. More, yeah.
1:01:16
Yeah, they don't have that wizard.
1:01:18
Of Oz exhibit open anymore. It was one of the first ones,
1:01:22
but they did recently actually have the Ruby slippers on
1:01:24
display again. So I don't think they're there
1:01:26
again, but I think just keep keep an eye on the Academy
1:01:29
museum because I'm sure they're going to pop back up somehow.
1:01:32
I'm sure. So they're not going.
1:01:34
Anywhere. With that, that brings us to the
1:01:36
end of The Wizard of Oz. What a fun episode.
1:01:39
I'm so glad we finally got to do it.
1:01:42
It's it's just like chronic and just in time for Wicked season,
1:01:45
which you all know, we're obviously gonna be doing a
1:01:47
Wicked for good episode soon too.
1:01:50
So this is our subliminal messages telling you to prepare
1:01:54
yourself for that because it's happening.
1:01:55
Go see it. Go see it.
1:02:00
And with that, I'm excited. To say that we have a couple
1:02:03
more episodes this season, and our next one is one that we've
1:02:07
been talking about off and on all five seasons.
1:02:10
Yeah, it is a classic. And you know, we've come to the
1:02:14
cozy classic time of the year with the holidays coming up, so
1:02:19
we chose Hollywood Golden Age. Classic.
1:02:24
My Fair Lady. Yeah, this is a good one with
1:02:27
Audrey. Hepburn and Rex Harrison, who we
1:02:29
really got to know when we did our Cleopatra episode earlier
1:02:32
this year. I'm excited.
1:02:35
It's funny, we. I went to like a My Fair Lady
1:02:37
exhibition years ago. Yeah.
1:02:39
And I have all this, like, content from it.
1:02:42
And we've just been saving it for one day doing this podcast
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episode. So yeah, when Elizabeth said My
1:02:47
Fair Lady, I was. Like.
1:02:48
Yes, finally I got. I have pictures.
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