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- 0:00Speaker 1: I'm Chris Hansen right now on Crime Watch Daily from
- 0:03Speaker 1: here in New York. He was the miracle man of Indianapolis,
- 0:14Speaker 1: the top fertility doctor who gave hundreds of women the
- 0:17Speaker 1: gift of life. Little did his patients know he was
- 0:20Speaker 1: really doctor Evil.
- 0:22Speaker 2: I'm a rape victim, a virtual rape victim.
- 0:25Speaker 1: Doctor Klein not only got them pregnant, he did it
- 0:28Speaker 1: with his own sperm.
- 0:29Speaker 3: As you would expect, these mothers feel angry and they
- 0:32Speaker 3: feel violated by the fertility doctor that they trusted.
- 0:36Speaker 4: Yes, I do feel violated.
- 0:38Speaker 5: He was my doctor.
- 0:40Speaker 1: Crime Watch Daily special correspondent Elizabeth Smart with the stunned
- 0:44Speaker 1: people who just learned about their secret symbol.
- 0:47Speaker 5: It was very mind blowing and shocking to say.
- 0:49Speaker 1: The least, and demanding answers from the doctor himself.
- 0:53Speaker 6: Hi.
- 0:54Speaker 5: I'm Elizabeth Smart.
- 0:56Speaker 1: Then an adorable eight year old girl abducted from her
- 0:59Speaker 1: home and callously entombed in her virtual coffin.
- 1:02Speaker 7: Her little body was buried under two hundred pounds of concrete.
- 1:07Speaker 1: Her family gets the grim news, but then in astonishing.
- 1:12Speaker 8: Discovery, Lieutenant Matthew said, I just saw a finger move.
- 1:16Speaker 1: She was still alive.
- 1:18Speaker 9: Like I kind of like lost hope. I just thought
- 1:20Speaker 9: I was going.
- 1:21Speaker 1: In her courageous first interview with our Jason Mattera.
- 1:24Speaker 10: No one should go through what you want for.
- 1:27Speaker 1: Michelle Nance relives her nightmare at the hands of this monster.
- 1:31Speaker 11: I don't know how I got the idea to like
- 1:33Speaker 11: pick Monday right now.
- 1:35Speaker 1: Andrea Isisen Sir with Crime Watch Daily.
- 1:37Speaker 12: Jason Mattara a Crime Watch dairy this.
- 1:40Speaker 5: And Michelle from Crime Watch Daily.
- 1:42Speaker 4: Anagarcia from Crime Watch is Crime Launch Daily put off.
- 1:46Speaker 12: We'll find you again, we always do.
- 1:48Speaker 1: Welcome to Crime Watch Daily, everyone, I'm Chris Hansen. We
- 1:55Speaker 1: start today with a fertility doctor accused of blind siding
- 1:58Speaker 1: his own patients investially in court documents, to using his
- 2:01Speaker 1: own sperm with his patients, not once or twice, but
- 2:04Speaker 1: as many as fifty times. Our Elizabeth Smartest here now
- 2:08Speaker 1: with our all new investigations, Elizabeth extra being here, Chris.
- 2:10Speaker 3: I can't even imagine the horror of finding out that
- 2:13Speaker 3: the man you trusted was something so special as having
- 2:16Speaker 3: a baby was allegedly committing a horrible betrayal behind closed doors.
- 2:22Speaker 1: This is a family reunion no one ever expected.
- 2:27Speaker 13: I used to beect my mom for a sister every
- 2:30Speaker 13: year for Christmas to give me a baby's sister, and
- 2:33Speaker 13: I hope.
- 2:34Speaker 1: Boy adults who only recently learned the shocking news they're related.
- 2:43Speaker 1: Their bond is written not in blood or love, but
- 2:46Speaker 1: in the laboratory.
- 2:47Speaker 5: When did you find out that you were a donor baby?
- 2:51Speaker 5: Approximately a month ago.
- 2:54Speaker 1: They all claim their donor babies sharing the sperm of
- 2:58Speaker 1: one man, their mother's fertility doctor.
- 3:02Speaker 2: I'm a rape victim, a virtual rape victim.
- 3:05Speaker 1: That's a stunning accusation from Liz White. She's one of
- 3:09Speaker 1: several moms making the sensational claim that doctor Donald Klein
- 3:13Speaker 1: artificially inseminated them with his own sperm.
- 3:16Speaker 2: It gives me creeps that when he left the room
- 3:19Speaker 2: after the initial coming in and putting on the drape,
- 3:23Speaker 2: that he went out saying he was going to go
- 3:25Speaker 2: get the donor sperm, and then what occurred outside the
- 3:28Speaker 2: room that was disgusting.
- 3:31Speaker 1: You wouldn't think a story like this could come out
- 3:33Speaker 1: of America's heartland, Indianapolis, Indiana. Back in the early eighties,
- 3:38Speaker 1: fertility science was still in its infancy, and in Indianapolis,
- 3:43Speaker 1: doctor Klein was the expert. Liz says he was the
- 3:46Speaker 1: only fertility specialist for miles around.
- 3:49Speaker 14: How did you find out about doctor Klein.
- 3:52Speaker 2: I worked at a hospital, and so obviously I worked
- 3:56Speaker 2: with a lot of physicians. He was the top in
- 3:59Speaker 2: fertility specialist in Indianapolis. I couldn't remember him sitting behind
- 4:03Speaker 2: his desk and he's looking at my husband and he says, Oh,
- 4:07Speaker 2: you have dark hair, and you have dark eyes, and
- 4:10Speaker 2: you're about six foot Okay, I'll look for a donor
- 4:13Speaker 2: around that type. And he was very hopeful, and I
- 4:18Speaker 2: took his hope, his hope.
- 4:20Speaker 5: And you went in for fifteen treatment.
- 4:22Speaker 2: Fifteen treatments, so that's five months, three times each month.
- 4:27Speaker 1: Liz says. Klein told her medical students would provide a
- 4:30Speaker 1: fresh donation because frozen sperm was not an option.
- 4:34Speaker 2: We were told that they were going to be residents
- 4:36Speaker 2: from interns at the hospital across the street, and that
- 4:39Speaker 2: our payment of cash or check was to protect the
- 4:43Speaker 2: enemity of that person. I think if he said, well,
- 4:46Speaker 2: I'm going to donate my semen to you, I would
- 4:49Speaker 2: have been creeped out. I was twenty nine years old,
- 4:52Speaker 2: but he had the expertise of being the very best
- 4:56Speaker 2: fertility physician in Indiana. He was the only one practic
- 5:00Speaker 2: sing with live Spurm.
- 5:02Speaker 1: After several tries, Liz became pregnant.
- 5:05Speaker 14: How did you feel when you finally found out you
- 5:08Speaker 14: were pregnant?
- 5:08Speaker 2: I was static.
- 5:10Speaker 1: Nine months later, Liz gave birth to a healthy baby
- 5:13Speaker 1: boy she named Matthew.
- 5:15Speaker 2: I just kept looking at Matt with just such joy
- 5:17Speaker 2: on my face. It was a blessing, and I named
- 5:20Speaker 2: him Matthew, which s gift of gods.
- 5:24Speaker 1: Fast forward fifteen years later, Matt is in high school
- 5:27Speaker 1: biology class learning about human genes. He says the real
- 5:31Speaker 1: lesson he learned would change his life forever.
- 5:34Speaker 5: How did you.
- 5:35Speaker 14: First find out that your dad wasn't your biological father?
- 5:40Speaker 15: It was when I came home one day from school
- 5:43Speaker 15: from high school. We're in science class learning about Punnett
- 5:47Speaker 15: squares and probabilities of blood types. What my blood type
- 5:52Speaker 15: was based upon my parents, and so when I brought
- 5:56Speaker 15: that topic up to ask them what their blood types are,
- 6:00Speaker 15: that's when they told me.
- 6:02Speaker 5: Was that shocking for you?
- 6:04Speaker 15: I just felt bad for my dad that he could
- 6:07Speaker 15: have kids. He has always been my dad, will always
- 6:10Speaker 15: be my dad.
- 6:12Speaker 1: Matt says he never tried to learn his biological father's identity.
- 6:15Speaker 1: Until he saw this news report on TV.
- 6:19Speaker 16: Sisters Born here in Indiana Uncover a family Secret.
- 6:24Speaker 1: It was the explosive investigation into the claims about doctor
- 6:28Speaker 1: Klein from our Indianapolis affiliate w x IM.
- 6:31Speaker 15: I immediately looked up where his office was. I remember
- 6:35Speaker 15: my mom and I drive him by saying, no, that's
- 6:38Speaker 15: the office building. And I got pregnant with you.
- 6:39Speaker 1: And Matt says after watching that report, he did his
- 6:43Speaker 1: own DNA test. He sent it to the online testing
- 6:46Speaker 1: site twenty three in me dot com, so named for
- 6:49Speaker 1: the twenty three chromosomes in a human cell.
- 6:52Speaker 15: And I went to the certain section to look at
- 6:55Speaker 15: the relatives and just having a whole laundry list of
- 6:58Speaker 15: half siblings, you know, kind of kind of shocking.
- 7:03Speaker 14: Do you remember how many siblings it said you have
- 7:05Speaker 14: or half siblings?
- 7:07Speaker 15: I think the total confirmed unconfirmed the cow is thirteen
- 7:11Speaker 15: right now.
- 7:14Speaker 1: Jacoba Ballard says she's one of Matt's half sisters. Like Matt,
- 7:18Speaker 1: Jacoba did her own DNA salavattached.
- 7:21Speaker 5: What did they tell you?
- 7:23Speaker 17: The first set proved that there were I had seven siblings.
- 7:28Speaker 17: That's not counting my half sibling for my mom nor
- 7:31Speaker 17: doctor Klein's four children, which I didn't know at the time.
- 7:35Speaker 17: Some of my other siblings and I started researching because
- 7:39Speaker 17: we knew something, didn' nad up one. He had told
- 7:42Speaker 17: all of our mothers the same thing, that he is
- 7:44Speaker 17: a medical resident.
- 7:46Speaker 1: When Jacoba's mom, Deborah read the results, she was floored.
- 7:50Speaker 5: He's the father.
- 7:52Speaker 4: Yes, I do feel violighted. He was my doctor, and
- 7:57Speaker 4: you just don't do that to your patients. That's not
- 7:59Speaker 4: more right at all. It's not ethically right.
- 8:04Speaker 1: And that's the sentiment from Julie Mains, another of doctor
- 8:08Speaker 1: Klein's alleged daughters. She says she worries about the impact
- 8:12Speaker 1: on her own children.
- 8:13Speaker 14: Your greatest concern for them is that they might date,
- 8:16Speaker 14: or have relationships or even marry one of their first cousins.
- 8:21Speaker 13: If it comes to that point, I think I would
- 8:23Speaker 13: have to ask their parents personal questions, which is really
- 8:28Speaker 13: difficult regarding if they were artificially inseminated.
- 8:33Speaker 1: Julie did her own DNA test and says the results
- 8:36Speaker 1: showed Jacoba is her half sister.
- 8:39Speaker 13: When I clicked on DNA relatives and then an entire
- 8:44Speaker 13: page showed up of half siblings, says, wait a minute,
- 8:48Speaker 13: I only have one sibling and he's adopted. It was
- 8:51Speaker 13: very mind blowing and shocking, to say the least.
- 8:56Speaker 1: Julie reached out to Jacoba and says, it was almost
- 8:59Speaker 1: like looking at her self in the mirror.
- 9:01Speaker 5: We look so much alike, and so it's kind of surreal.
- 9:05Speaker 1: Now that the family's secret is out. What can be
- 9:08Speaker 1: done next? The dramatic phone call that will change everything.
- 9:13Speaker 18: I only donated my own sample, maybe nine or ten times.
- 9:19Speaker 1: The confession, the excuses, the accusation.
- 9:23Speaker 18: That sounds to me like you're trying to do harm
- 9:26Speaker 18: to me.
- 9:28Speaker 1: And we confront the alleged fertility fraudster face to face.
- 9:34Speaker 3: Elizabeth Smart from Crimewatch Daily.
- 9:41Speaker 1: It's supposed to be one of the most special moments
- 9:43Speaker 1: of a couple's life, but several Indiana women say their
- 9:47Speaker 1: visit to a fertility specialist ended in an absolute nightmare
- 9:50Speaker 1: when they found out that doctor used his own sperm
- 9:53Speaker 1: instead of a donor. Elizabeth Smart is back now with
- 9:56Speaker 1: their stories.
- 9:56Speaker 3: Elizabeth, as you would expect these women are. They feel
- 10:00Speaker 3: violated by the doctor they trusted. So I decided to
- 10:04Speaker 3: track him down and see what he has to say
- 10:07Speaker 3: to his alleged victims.
- 10:09Speaker 1: Doctor Donald Klein is the alleged fertility Frankenstein. He's the
- 10:15Speaker 1: physician sensationally accused of using his own sperm as many
- 10:19Speaker 1: as fifty times in women who had no idea.
- 10:22Speaker 19: It's a violation of us, and I don't think he
- 10:25Speaker 19: realized that when he was using his sperm to impregnate us.
- 10:32Speaker 1: Until last month, Julie, Matt and Jacoba were total strangers.
- 10:37Speaker 1: They could have run into one another on the street
- 10:40Speaker 1: at the store, or they may even have dated without
- 10:43Speaker 1: ever knowing they might share the same biological father, doctor
- 10:46Speaker 1: Klein himself.
- 10:48Speaker 15: You know, I think one of the scariest things is
- 10:51Speaker 15: that the potential for unknown civilians to kind of hook up,
- 11:00Speaker 15: and you know, there are several of us that are
- 11:05Speaker 15: in relatively close proximity to one another and are generally
- 11:10Speaker 15: of the same age. That's pretty scary really if you
- 11:14Speaker 15: think about it.
- 11:15Speaker 13: And I don't want my kids to possibly marry one
- 11:19Speaker 13: of their first cousins or any of their distant relatives.
- 11:25Speaker 1: Julie's mom, Diana, says she's still coming to grips with
- 11:28Speaker 1: the revelations.
- 11:30Speaker 19: We now know that he was the father of all
- 11:32Speaker 19: our babies, and I mean, that's It's just something that
- 11:38Speaker 19: it's hard to comprehend.
- 11:41Speaker 1: Matt reveals his deepest fear. He says, when he and
- 11:44Speaker 1: his wife had difficulty conceiving a child, they considered seeing
- 11:48Speaker 1: doctor Clyde. I thought that, he says, now creeps him out.
- 11:52Speaker 15: There is a very plausible possibility that we could have
- 11:57Speaker 15: gone and seen him as our fertility specialists.
- 12:00Speaker 5: Your son was your half brother.
- 12:02Speaker 15: Yeah, that's that's recently crossed my mind.
- 12:08Speaker 1: The secret might have died with a seventy seven year
- 12:10Speaker 1: old Doctor Klein wasn't for the hard hitting reporting by
- 12:14Speaker 1: our Indianapolis affiliate w XIM. In an investigation that spanned
- 12:19Speaker 1: more than a year and a half, Angela Ganotte uncovered
- 12:22Speaker 1: doctor Klein's alleged fraud first appearance in court today.
- 12:27Speaker 4: Doctor Kline is accused of using his own sperm on
- 12:31Speaker 4: his patients.
- 12:32Speaker 1: When that report aired, it apparently upset the grandfatherly fertility doc.
- 12:37Speaker 18: How this doctor Kline.
- 12:40Speaker 1: This is the shocking phone call from doctor Kline to Jacoba.
- 12:44Speaker 1: In this call, which she recorded, Cline admits he donated
- 12:48Speaker 1: his own sperm on several occasions.
- 12:50Speaker 18: You know, I thought I was doing the right thing.
- 12:54Speaker 18: I only donated my own sample maybe nine or ten times,
- 13:00Speaker 18: and it had to do with blood typing, and at
- 13:03Speaker 18: the time there was no sperm banks that I could
- 13:07Speaker 18: refer the couples too.
- 13:10Speaker 1: Coin then tells Jakoba his marriage is on thin eyes
- 13:14Speaker 1: and asks her to try to stop the TV station
- 13:16Speaker 1: from reporting the allegations.
- 13:19Speaker 18: My wife and I, after fifty seven years of marriage,
- 13:24Speaker 18: we have had a great deal of problems over this.
- 13:28Speaker 18: She considers this adultery. I donated my sample, not always
- 13:34Speaker 18: my wife. My marriage will be over. Can you help?
- 13:40Speaker 17: I mean, there's nothing I can do. I can't stop
- 13:43Speaker 17: them from doing you know anything that.
- 13:46Speaker 18: Sounds to me like you're trying to do harm to me.
- 13:49Speaker 9: I've not was shut up on anybody.
- 13:51Speaker 18: I regret what I did. Yeah, I can't go back
- 13:55Speaker 18: and change it. One of my favorite scriptures was Jeremiah,
- 14:01Speaker 18: if you'll remember it, say, just before I formed you
- 14:04Speaker 18: in your mother's room, I knew you.
- 14:06Speaker 14: The most disturbing thing about this whole message is how
- 14:11Speaker 14: he's trying to turn it back on you, trying to
- 14:14Speaker 14: make you feel guilty for it.
- 14:16Speaker 17: It makes me angry.
- 14:18Speaker 14: You know, when he brought up religion and was reading
- 14:24Speaker 14: the Bible verse to you, I really was taken aback
- 14:31Speaker 14: because what he was doing to you was exactly what
- 14:35Speaker 14: my captors did to me. I mean, anytime they wanted
- 14:38Speaker 14: to hurt me, anytime they wanted me to force me
- 14:41Speaker 14: to do anything, he would pull out the Bible.
- 14:44Speaker 17: I mean, because you can tell I tried to be nice.
- 14:48Speaker 1: But for Jacoba, the time to be nice is over.
- 14:53Speaker 1: Jacoba shared the recording with prosecutors.
- 14:56Speaker 20: My ten years of practicing law, I definitely put it
- 14:58Speaker 20: in the top ten.
- 15:01Speaker 1: According to the probable cause Affidavid Kline denied everything, telling
- 15:05Speaker 1: investigators I can emphatically say that at no time did
- 15:08Speaker 1: I ever use my own sample for insemination, nor was
- 15:11Speaker 1: I a donor. The state did an independent DNA test,
- 15:16Speaker 1: which shows a ninety nine point probability he is Jacoba's
- 15:22Speaker 1: biological father. Prosecutors concluded Klein lied to investigators. He was
- 15:28Speaker 1: charged with two counts of obstruction of justice.
- 15:31Speaker 20: He denied that he was the father, when in fact
- 15:34Speaker 20: he was. We think that this sends a clear message
- 15:37Speaker 20: that you don't lie when you're confronted with an official investigation.
- 15:42Speaker 1: We wanted to get doctor kline side of the story,
- 15:45Speaker 1: so Elizabeth tracked him down at his home I'm on my.
- 15:49Speaker 5: Way up to doctor Kleink's house to ask him some questions.
- 15:52Speaker 1: Klin is retired and lives in seclusion in an estate
- 15:55Speaker 1: at the end of this long driveway.
- 16:01Speaker 3: Elizabeth Smart from Crime Watch Daily.
- 16:05Speaker 6: Hi, I'm Elizabeth Smart.
- 16:07Speaker 5: I'm from Crime Watch Daily.
- 16:08Speaker 3: I have the opportunity to speak to a couple of
- 16:10Speaker 3: your children, and I heard their side the store, and.
- 16:12Speaker 5: I wondered if you wanted to share.
- 16:13Speaker 18: Oh, thank you, You'll have to speak to my attorney.
- 16:16Speaker 5: Oh, we try to reach out to her.
- 16:18Speaker 18: She wouldn't respond, Well, I can't do that.
- 16:21Speaker 5: Don't you at least want to share a little bit. No, ma'am,
- 16:24Speaker 5: don't you don't feel like you're in a fall man.
- 16:26Speaker 11: I just wanted to give you an opportunity to share
- 16:27Speaker 11: your side.
- 16:30Speaker 1: Kleine has pleaded not guilty to the charges. He reportedly
- 16:34Speaker 1: has asked God for forgiveness. But for this half brother
- 16:38Speaker 1: and his half sister, forgetting is something that isn't in
- 16:42Speaker 1: their DNA.
- 16:43Speaker 5: What would you like to say to doctor Kline?
- 16:48Speaker 4: Doctor Cline, tell the truth. Just tell the truth, DNA,
- 16:53Speaker 4: don't lie.
- 16:56Speaker 1: And since that interview, Elizabeth, I know that more people
- 16:58Speaker 1: have come forward claiming doctor Climb is their father.
- 17:01Speaker 5: Yeah, Chris, it's staggering.
- 17:03Speaker 3: The count is up to sixteen now, but it seems
- 17:05Speaker 3: more and more people are coming forward every day.
- 17:08Speaker 1: In beside the obstruction of justice charges, it seems their
- 17:12Speaker 1: civil liability here.
- 17:13Speaker 3: The families are saying that they want to wait until
- 17:16Speaker 3: the current legal case is over before pursuing any civil cases.
- 17:19Speaker 5: Elizabeth, thanks for joining us as always, I appreciate it.
- 17:22Speaker 1: And what about that criminal case against doctor Klein and
- 17:24Speaker 1: will he ever serve any time behind bars? We bring
- 17:27Speaker 1: the legal fight to the streets of New York next
- 17:32Speaker 1: tomorrow on Crime Watch Daily, Love and Violence.
- 17:36Speaker 17: Bye bye.
- 17:39Speaker 1: Tricia Todd and her Air Force veteran husband had a
- 17:41Speaker 1: rocky relationship, that's for sure, but things appeared to be
- 17:45Speaker 1: headed in the right direction until she suddenly vanished. Where
- 17:48Speaker 1: did she go? We couldn't come up with any answers
- 17:51Speaker 1: or Jason Matera has new details on the shocking case.
- 17:54Speaker 7: Teeth, fingertips, power saws, and a plastic tub filled with acid.
- 17:59Speaker 20: This I went to the extreme ends of the earth
- 18:03Speaker 20: to do the most violent thing he could do.
- 18:06Speaker 1: And how Trisha's own words would help detectives find her killer.
- 18:10Speaker 1: That's come on today, we've been talking about an Indiana
- 18:13Speaker 1: fertility specialist accused of using his own sperm as many
- 18:16Speaker 1: as fifty times with his patients. No doubt, it's truly
- 18:19Speaker 1: discussing what doctor Klein is accused of. But will he
- 18:22Speaker 1: serve any time for it? Here to break down the
- 18:24Speaker 1: case his criminal defense attorney, Mike Cavaluzzi, Mike, thanks for
- 18:27Speaker 1: being here. I appreciate it very much to me. How
- 18:29Speaker 1: do you defend his games?
- 18:30Speaker 21: First of all, it's a question of timing back when
- 18:32Speaker 21: the doctor is accused of having inseminated his patients this way.
- 18:36Speaker 21: It actually was very common and there was nothing known
- 18:38Speaker 21: as design or sperm where women were actually choosing the
- 18:42Speaker 21: profile of the person whom you're.
- 18:45Speaker 1: Saying this was a common practice.
- 18:46Speaker 21: This was a common practice in those days. Regulations have
- 18:49Speaker 21: changed and become far stricter. If a doctor were to
- 18:52Speaker 21: do something just like doctor Klein did now they would
- 18:56Speaker 21: face absolutely criminal charges.
- 18:58Speaker 1: What about civil liability? Would one of the children or
- 19:02Speaker 1: one of the mothers sue him?
- 19:04Speaker 21: Highly highly unlikely? Clearly the women purchase something that they
- 19:08Speaker 21: weren't really getting. However, they would have to show that
- 19:11Speaker 21: they were damaged by this behavior and it doesn't appear
- 19:14Speaker 21: that they were.
- 19:15Speaker 1: Ultimately, what do you think happens in this pas?
- 19:18Speaker 21: Ultimately the doctor stays out of jail. He pleads to
- 19:22Speaker 21: some sort of low level offense and gets probation.
- 19:25Speaker 1: Mike, thank you very much for inside. I appreciate you
- 19:26Speaker 1: being here today. We'll be sure to follow the story
- 19:29Speaker 1: as it moves forward. You can go to Crimewatch Daily
- 19:31Speaker 1: dot com for updates. Also coming up in eight year
- 19:36Speaker 1: old terrorized by a monster and left for dead.
- 19:39Speaker 7: Her little body was buried under two hundred pounds of concrete.
- 19:44Speaker 1: Now, Michelle Nance tells your terrifying story of survival publicly
- 19:48Speaker 1: for the first time.
- 19:49Speaker 11: I remember screaming like bite him, but it was like that,
- 19:52Speaker 11: kind of like lost hope.
- 19:54Speaker 1: That's next. They are two signs of one horrible crime.
- 20:00Speaker 1: There's a monster with murder on his mind and then
- 20:03Speaker 1: a young victim with an unstoppable will to live. Our
- 20:06Speaker 1: Jason Mattera just interviewed the so called miracle Girl.
- 20:11Speaker 12: A senseless crime, cruelty beyond belief. He put her here
- 20:17Speaker 12: first so she wouldn't be able to get out, lives
- 20:21Speaker 12: torn apart.
- 20:22Speaker 6: I couldn't face knowing that I let this happen.
- 20:26Speaker 12: You know, this monster terrorized an innocent eight year old
- 20:31Speaker 12: and it was her family that invited him in to be.
- 20:36Speaker 6: That malevolent He deserves worse, much worse.
- 20:42Speaker 12: But there is someone speaking out and standing up to him.
- 20:46Speaker 12: The little girl he left to die. Now she's all
- 20:52Speaker 12: grown up and for the very first time telling only
- 20:55Speaker 12: Crime Watch Daily her story of inconceivable terror and unbelievable courage.
- 21:02Speaker 11: Like I kind of like lost hope because I no
- 21:06Speaker 11: one can't hear me.
- 21:07Speaker 9: Be sorry.
- 21:11Speaker 12: This adorable child is Lachelle Nance. Precocious, whip smart, with
- 21:16Speaker 12: a photographic memory.
- 21:18Speaker 22: She had a great mind. She could remember anything. If
- 21:20Speaker 22: she saw someone, if she's one time, if she saw
- 21:23Speaker 22: him again, she knew who they were. She knew him
- 21:25Speaker 22: by their name.
- 21:27Speaker 12: But loved not just by her mom, but her godmother too.
- 21:31Speaker 6: Whatever she needed, I was there. Whatever she wanted from me,
- 21:35Speaker 6: I had to give them.
- 21:37Speaker 12: Michelle and Lisa are best friends. With their kids, they
- 21:40Speaker 12: form a tight knit family in Lakeworth, Florida, and in
- 21:44Speaker 12: the spring of two thousand and four, that family would grow.
- 21:48Speaker 12: His name is Malogro Cunningham, a teenager from the Bahamas,
- 21:52Speaker 12: shuffled from home to home Lisa takes pity on Milagro
- 21:56Speaker 12: and invites him into her house with open.
- 21:58Speaker 6: Arms, just like he was family.
- 22:02Speaker 9: It's our nature.
- 22:03Speaker 22: We did bring him some clothes and shoes that we
- 22:06Speaker 22: had from my boyfriend that he wasn't using anymore, because
- 22:10Speaker 22: he really didn't have anything.
- 22:12Speaker 12: Malon girl soon blends right in.
- 22:14Speaker 22: He was a regular kid. He played games on the TV,
- 22:17Speaker 22: played with the other kids, went out with them.
- 22:21Speaker 12: No one knew there was a monster hiding within. It's
- 22:29Speaker 12: a typical Saturday night for Lachelle, a sleepover at her godmother's.
- 22:33Speaker 12: Lachelle shares a bed with Lisa's one year old grandson.
- 22:38Speaker 12: The house is quiet until just after midnight, when a
- 22:41Speaker 12: new day of terror begins.
- 22:44Speaker 6: About one o'clock that morning, my middle daughter, Danielle came
- 22:48Speaker 6: in and she told me that she didn't see Lachelle.
- 22:56Speaker 12: They searched the house, Lachelle's shoes sitting neatly by the
- 22:58Speaker 12: front door, but no, it was shell we used to
- 23:01Speaker 12: cause the little girl's mom in a panic.
- 23:04Speaker 22: She initially asked me did I pick her up? And
- 23:06Speaker 22: I told her no. She said, well, we can't find her,
- 23:11Speaker 22: and I told him on my way.
- 23:14Speaker 12: The show is nowhere to be found. Police arrived to assist.
- 23:20Speaker 12: That's when molam girl tells Lisa and Michelle an incredible story.
- 23:24Speaker 12: He was awakened by a white man abducting a shell
- 23:27Speaker 12: from her bedroom.
- 23:28Speaker 23: And he's telling us this story about how he was
- 23:33Speaker 23: in the living room and someone burst inside my house
- 23:38Speaker 23: and they had taken her out of the house.
- 23:41Speaker 6: Something just wasn't right.
- 23:42Speaker 22: He described the car station wagon with a den in it,
- 23:46Speaker 22: which was exactly the car that was parked in the driveway,
- 23:49Speaker 22: and he said some guys took her and he tried
- 23:52Speaker 22: to chase some He ran almost maybe eight blocks behind
- 23:56Speaker 22: the car. It just didn't make sense.
- 24:00Speaker 12: In his statement to police, Molagro says when he catches
- 24:02Speaker 12: up to the station wagon, the white man jumps him.
- 24:06Speaker 12: Three other white males joined in the attack, he tells officers,
- 24:09Speaker 12: knocking him to the ground, kicking and punching him in
- 24:13Speaker 12: a beatdown that lasted approximately twenty minutes. The story is
- 24:17Speaker 12: far fetched. Investigator Mike Driscoll says he wasn't buying it.
- 24:22Speaker 8: He may have had a torn shirt, but he hadn't
- 24:26Speaker 8: really sustained any injuries.
- 24:27Speaker 1: From the beating.
- 24:28Speaker 12: So this guy says he was beat up up to
- 24:30Speaker 12: four individuals, and yet he had no physical marketings showing
- 24:33Speaker 12: that correct.
- 24:34Speaker 10: So right there, it's a red flag.
- 24:35Speaker 8: It's a big red flag.
- 24:37Speaker 12: One thing police are sure of, the shell is missing.
- 24:41Speaker 8: There were dozens of law enforcement personnel that searched the
- 24:45Speaker 8: area full of shell.
- 24:47Speaker 12: Officers, canvas in the neighborhood, searching parks, a local cemetery,
- 24:51Speaker 12: every square foot around Lisa's house, including this landfill just
- 24:56Speaker 12: blocks from where Lachelle was taken.
- 24:58Speaker 24: It's just an area where a lot of bad things
- 25:01Speaker 24: tend to happen sometimes. If she was going to be somewhere,
- 25:04Speaker 24: it was probably going to be in the landfill.
- 25:06Speaker 12: Sergeant Michael holland his partner scanned the landfill's access road,
- 25:10Speaker 12: unsure of what they'd find.
- 25:12Speaker 24: As we start driving through the access road, one of
- 25:14Speaker 24: the first things we see is a pair of underwear
- 25:17Speaker 24: laying on the road A couple feet away from that.
- 25:20Speaker 24: I believe it was a pair of shorts, And at
- 25:23Speaker 24: that point, I think we both realize that she's going
- 25:26Speaker 24: to be in here.
- 25:27Speaker 12: Somewhere to the right of the road two large construction dumpsters.
- 25:32Speaker 24: Inside the dumpster was just a lone recycling bin on wheels.
- 25:36Speaker 24: I kind of open the lid and observed large pieces
- 25:40Speaker 24: of broken concrete in the bin.
- 25:42Speaker 12: Stuffed beneath the concrete A heartbreaking site.
- 25:46Speaker 24: And as I'm looking closer into the bin, I see
- 25:49Speaker 24: a hand and a foot.
- 25:52Speaker 12: It's let's shout. The sergeant's heart sinks.
- 25:56Speaker 24: I didn't get on the radio. I notify the command
- 25:58Speaker 24: post fact we found her. It did not look good.
- 26:05Speaker 24: I did not think she was alive.
- 26:07Speaker 12: At Lisa's house, the family gets awful news that Lachelle's
- 26:11Speaker 12: body had been found.
- 26:20Speaker 22: He put her head first so she wouldn't be able
- 26:23Speaker 22: to get out, and he put concrete on the top
- 26:27Speaker 22: of her.
- 26:29Speaker 17: Didn't he left her.
- 26:41Speaker 9: He left her there to day.
- 26:44Speaker 6: First action was I passed out. I couldn't face, you know,
- 26:50Speaker 6: be right there and knowing that I let this happen,
- 26:55Speaker 6: you know.
- 26:56Speaker 8: And Wing got word that the dead body was found
- 26:59Speaker 8: in the lake Worth landfill, so we immediately responded to
- 27:04Speaker 8: that location.
- 27:06Speaker 12: As officers secure the crime scene, the story takes a
- 27:10Speaker 12: shocking twist.
- 27:11Speaker 8: It was faint, but it was something you just wouldn't miss. Next,
- 27:17Speaker 8: she was upside down in a fetal position.
- 27:20Speaker 12: A sick crime uncovered.
- 27:23Speaker 5: You know, just throw somebody away like that, and I.
- 27:26Speaker 9: Just stopped crying. I just stopped moving.
- 27:28Speaker 12: A young girl recalls a knight of terror in the
- 27:32Speaker 12: hands of a monster.
- 27:33Speaker 9: I just thought I was going to die.
- 27:37Speaker 12: Lashon Nance has gone missing in the dead of night,
- 27:40Speaker 12: her mother losing hope by the minute. Where's my child?
- 27:44Speaker 22: What happened to her?
- 27:46Speaker 12: The young man who lived with Lachelle's godmother says he
- 27:49Speaker 12: was beaten up by the little girl's abductors when he
- 27:51Speaker 12: tried to save her. Did you believe Moula gerl story?
- 27:55Speaker 9: At first?
- 27:56Speaker 6: We did, but then there were holes in it. Something
- 27:59Speaker 6: just was right.
- 28:01Speaker 12: Eight hours later, the story takes a terrifying turn.
- 28:05Speaker 7: Police found eight year old Lachelle Nance here at this landfill.
- 28:08Speaker 12: She was stuffed in a recycling bit. She was thrown
- 28:11Speaker 12: in a dumpster like trash. Her little body.
- 28:14Speaker 7: Was buried under two hundred pounds of concrete.
- 28:18Speaker 8: She was upside down in a fetal position, chunks of
- 28:21Speaker 8: concrete on top of her. I mean heavy chunks, like
- 28:24Speaker 8: some of them weighed as much as thirty pounds.
- 28:27Speaker 12: Officers begin the grim task of recovering Lechelle's body, but
- 28:32Speaker 12: nothing prepares them for what happens next.
- 28:35Speaker 8: When we looked in, Lieutenant Matthew said, I just saw
- 28:38Speaker 8: a finger move, so instantly we jumped into the dumpster
- 28:44Speaker 8: and began removing large chunks of concrete off of her.
- 28:49Speaker 10: How close was she to death?
- 28:51Speaker 24: I heard the doctor said she was within ten to
- 28:53Speaker 24: twenty minutes of all her internal organs shutting down ten
- 28:57Speaker 24: to twenty minutes. Amazing.
- 29:02Speaker 12: The selle barely clings to life, but the weekend eight
- 29:05Speaker 12: year old still gathers the strength to whisper the name
- 29:08Speaker 12: of the man who tried to kill.
- 29:10Speaker 9: Her with mulagro. He did he did it.
- 29:15Speaker 12: This is Michelle Nance today, twelve years older, and after
- 29:18Speaker 12: a long physical rehabilitation, back on her feet, she's finally
- 29:22Speaker 12: able to tell her whole terrifying story publicly for the
- 29:26Speaker 12: first time. We want to warn you it's graphic and disturbing.
- 29:30Speaker 10: So I know this is going to be really difficult
- 29:33Speaker 10: for you, because no one, let alone an eight year
- 29:37Speaker 10: old girl, should go through what you went through. But
- 29:40Speaker 10: if you can take me back to that early morning
- 29:43Speaker 10: when you were in bed.
- 29:44Speaker 11: I remember waking up to like someone touching me. So
- 29:48Speaker 11: I woke up and it was malagro.
- 29:51Speaker 12: Mulagrel Cunningham, the same guy Lachelle's family took in off
- 29:55Speaker 12: the streets. Now Concox the story to lure Lachelle outside.
- 29:59Speaker 12: We're evil waits.
- 30:01Speaker 11: So I get up and I had no shoes, Like
- 30:05Speaker 11: I don't know shoes. I just had a nic clothes.
- 30:07Speaker 9: I slept in.
- 30:09Speaker 12: As soon as the Shell is out of the house,
- 30:11Speaker 12: Malagro attacks and that's.
- 30:13Speaker 11: When he grabbed me and shut the door, and he
- 30:16Speaker 11: was saying, for scream, i'm'a hurt you.
- 30:17Speaker 9: I'm'a for scream, i'm'a hurt you.
- 30:19Speaker 11: And he was like walking me towards He walked me
- 30:21Speaker 11: over to the landfill.
- 30:23Speaker 12: There are a few blocks from the house. The Shell says,
- 30:26Speaker 12: the real nightmare begins. Molager slams her to the ground,
- 30:30Speaker 12: punching her senseless, then viciously rapes her.
- 30:35Speaker 9: I remember screaming, like fighting, but it was like I
- 30:39Speaker 9: was so little. So it got to the point where.
- 30:41Speaker 11: Like like I kind of like lost hope cause like
- 30:47Speaker 11: I thought, you know, no one can't hear me.
- 30:50Speaker 9: Oh no, I just I just stopped crying, just stopped moving.
- 30:53Speaker 9: I just laid there because oh no, I.
- 30:58Speaker 11: Thought I didn't think no one, but would hear me,
- 31:01Speaker 11: so I didn't sorry, and that's when like he grabbed
- 31:12Speaker 11: me and start choking me.
- 31:14Speaker 12: Lachell is no match from Malagro's brute strength, so she
- 31:18Speaker 12: takes a gamble and plays dead when.
- 31:21Speaker 11: He's choking me. I don't know how I got the
- 31:23Speaker 11: idea to like fake my death. So I just like.
- 31:25Speaker 9: When he threw me down on the ground the.
- 31:27Speaker 11: Last time, I just held my breath and when he
- 31:31Speaker 11: called out to me, like I just didn't make any movement.
- 31:33Speaker 9: I just laid there with my eyes closed.
- 31:35Speaker 12: Then Lachelle says, Milagro tries to permanently cover up his crime.
- 31:40Speaker 11: And then he finally grabbed me. He threw me over
- 31:42Speaker 11: his shoulder and he walked further down. We got to
- 31:46Speaker 11: like I guess, one of the dumpsters, and he threw
- 31:48Speaker 11: me inside the dumpster. Then he closed it, and I
- 31:50Speaker 11: remember him rolling a dumpster, and I guess that's when
- 31:53Speaker 11: he got near the rocks, so he put the the cement,
- 31:57Speaker 11: you know, on top of me, and it was like I.
- 32:00Speaker 9: Didn't really understand it, like at first.
- 32:03Speaker 11: But as I got older, it's just like how such
- 32:08Speaker 11: an evil person he was, because like as he was
- 32:11Speaker 11: throwing the rocks on top of me. He would say sorry, sorry,
- 32:15Speaker 11: and laughing after each rock, like sorry is just laughing?
- 32:18Speaker 11: Throw him on top of me. I really thought I
- 32:21Speaker 11: was gonna die. I really thought I was gonna die.
- 32:25Speaker 12: Trapped under cement coast to four times her weight, the
- 32:28Speaker 12: little eight year old girl can't move. All she can
- 32:31Speaker 12: do is lay there for eight agonizing hours. Then, just
- 32:35Speaker 12: as she feels her life slipping away, Lachelle hears faint voices.
- 32:40Speaker 9: I kind of thought it.
- 32:41Speaker 6: Was a dream.
- 32:42Speaker 9: I just remember the office was pulling the rock, the
- 32:44Speaker 9: rocks off of me.
- 32:46Speaker 11: And I think one was crying. I'm not really sure
- 32:49Speaker 11: which one it was, but one of them was crying.
- 32:51Speaker 9: I remember that.
- 32:52Speaker 12: Four years after he brutalized Lachelle malar girl, Cunningham goes
- 32:56Speaker 12: on trial and Lahou's mom is there to make sure
- 32:59Speaker 12: he pays, one way or another for what he did
- 33:02Speaker 12: to her daughter.
- 33:04Speaker 22: I wanted to hurt him. I wanted to hurt him.
- 33:07Speaker 22: He's sitting there, he's got this smile on his face,
- 33:10Speaker 22: his smurting, and you just want to get up and
- 33:12Speaker 22: beat the hell out of him, but you know they're
- 33:15Speaker 22: not going to let you.
- 33:17Speaker 12: It was very difficult, very Mulongro's lawyers claim he has
- 33:22Speaker 12: the mentality of a seven year old and didn't know
- 33:24Speaker 12: right from wrong.
- 33:26Speaker 22: He knew, I knew if you take the time to
- 33:30Speaker 22: put rock after rock after rock is almost two hundred
- 33:35Speaker 22: pounds of concrete on top of her.
- 33:38Speaker 12: Jurors agree and reject his insanity defense. In two thousand
- 33:41Speaker 12: and nine, he sentenced to four life terms in prison,
- 33:45Speaker 12: but just a year later, the US Supreme Court gives
- 33:49Speaker 12: the mercy he never showed a shell. A twenty ten
- 33:52Speaker 12: ruing throws out life terms for juveniles for crimes other
- 33:56Speaker 12: than murder. At the time of Malagro's vicious attack, he
- 34:00Speaker 12: was seventeen ten months shy of being an adult.
- 34:03Speaker 24: You mean to tell me you don't have the mental
- 34:05Speaker 24: capacity to know right from wrong. I I think it
- 34:09Speaker 24: is a horrible decision. I I think he should spend
- 34:12Speaker 24: the rest of his life in jail.
- 34:14Speaker 12: Molagro's public defender asked the judge to reduce the sentence further,
- 34:18Speaker 12: citing his serious heart and kidney problems. The show designs
- 34:22Speaker 12: enough is enough.
- 34:24Speaker 11: Listen to them like make excuses like for what he did,
- 34:27Speaker 11: like kind of like got me mad.
- 34:29Speaker 9: So I was like, I just have to like just
- 34:31Speaker 9: stand up for myself because like what he did was
- 34:33Speaker 9: not right.
- 34:34Speaker 12: She testifies that Molagro's hearing bringing the fight to him.
- 34:41Speaker 10: What was it like to see him at the re
- 34:43Speaker 10: sentencing hearing any signs of remorse?
- 34:48Speaker 6: No?
- 34:49Speaker 9: Like no, like none. He just sat there like he
- 34:52Speaker 9: just here because he had to show up.
- 34:55Speaker 12: Judge Charles Burn ultimately reduces milagro sentence to fifty years.
- 35:00Speaker 12: May turn out to be a life sentence.
- 35:02Speaker 22: After all, he's on dialysis. He had to have a
- 35:05Speaker 22: pacemaker put in. He was twenty seven years old. It's Calmle.
- 35:12Speaker 22: That's calmle.
- 35:13Speaker 8: There is a possibility he could get out someday. That
- 35:16Speaker 8: possibility exists, but I feel confident that he'll probably die
- 35:19Speaker 8: in prison.
- 35:22Speaker 12: As for the Shell, she's now taking her recovery many
- 35:25Speaker 12: steps further, starting a nonprofit called Many Girls Like Us
- 35:30Speaker 12: to help other victims of assault with a lot.
- 35:33Speaker 11: Of girls, Like a lot of them have my phone number, like,
- 35:37Speaker 11: you know, texting him, talking to them when they're going
- 35:39Speaker 11: through like you know, hard times, Like a lot of
- 35:41Speaker 11: kids like getting open up to anybody and just to
- 35:44Speaker 11: like know that they feel comfortable enough to confide in me.
- 35:47Speaker 9: It's like, it's really good.
- 35:50Speaker 1: It's absolutely outrageous that this brave young woman would have
- 35:53Speaker 1: to relive this nightmare three times in court, and believe
- 35:56Speaker 1: it or not, it may not be the last time.
- 35:59Speaker 1: Under the new State on Florida, cunningham sentence will be
- 36:02Speaker 1: reviewed again in eleven years still to come wrongly convicted
- 36:08Speaker 1: in racing against time.
- 36:10Speaker 25: I'm thinking I'm in prison, he's going to die, and
- 36:13Speaker 25: I'm not going to spend any time with.
- 36:15Speaker 1: One man's fight to get out of jail before his
- 36:17Speaker 1: father loses his battle with cancer. Coming up, one hundred
- 36:24Speaker 1: and forty nine, that's how many people were exonerated last year,
- 36:27Speaker 1: freed after serving time for crimes they didn't commit. A
- 36:31Speaker 1: record that could be broken this year. Our nurissinit is
- 36:34Speaker 1: here now with the story of an Illinois man who
- 36:36Speaker 1: wasn't sure he would ever taste freedom again.
- 36:39Speaker 16: Chris, how many times have we heard an inmates say
- 36:41Speaker 16: they're innocent, they've got the wrong guy. Well, in the
- 36:44Speaker 16: case of Norman Mackintosh, that's exactly what he said for
- 36:47Speaker 16: fifteen years until finally finding himself in an agonizing race
- 36:53Speaker 16: against time to prove his innocence before his ailing father died.
- 36:58Speaker 25: Now I'm thinking there isn't and he's gonna die, and
- 37:01Speaker 25: I'm not gonna spend any time with him.
- 37:04Speaker 26: Norman was just twenty three when he was charged with
- 37:07Speaker 26: this grizzly murder, shooting dead a gang rival and wounding
- 37:11Speaker 26: another on the South Side of Chicago.
- 37:14Speaker 25: They said that they supposed to rob me earlier in
- 37:16Speaker 25: the day and that was retaliation for it.
- 37:18Speaker 26: Norman insisted from the beginning police had the wrong man,
- 37:22Speaker 26: and even provided them with an alibi.
- 37:25Speaker 25: Early that morning, I checked him to a hospital and
- 37:29Speaker 25: got treated for illness. Was at my girlfriend's house for
- 37:32Speaker 25: the rest of the day.
- 37:34Speaker 26: But Norman would be wrongfully convicted of first degree murder
- 37:38Speaker 26: and other charges and sentenced to forty five years in prison.
- 37:42Speaker 25: And I just couldn't believe that it happened, knowing that
- 37:45Speaker 25: I didn't commit a crime.
- 37:47Speaker 14: Did you know that one day you would be free?
- 37:49Speaker 25: At some points, I felt like I'll be free one day,
- 37:53Speaker 25: and at some point I felt like I'd never get out.
- 37:58Speaker 26: Then, after more than a decade behind bars, the victim's
- 38:01Speaker 26: brother recanted evidence that had helped convict Norman, seeing cops
- 38:06Speaker 26: that coerced him into misidentifying Norman in a police lineup.
- 38:10Speaker 27: The police said, look, if you don't testify and if
- 38:12Speaker 27: you don't say it's him, we're going to put your
- 38:14Speaker 27: brother's murder on you.
- 38:16Speaker 26: With that, Norman's dying dad hired Jennifer Blagg, an attorney
- 38:19Speaker 26: who specializes in wrongful conviction cases, and she tracked down
- 38:24Speaker 26: other witnesses who had also falsely identified Norman in a lineup.
- 38:29Speaker 27: I found the two twelve year olds. They both recanted
- 38:32Speaker 27: and told me the same story.
- 38:33Speaker 6: I was like, did Norman do it?
- 38:34Speaker 9: They're like, I don't know who did it.
- 38:35Speaker 27: But James told us who to pick, and he said,
- 38:37Speaker 27: pick the guy in the red shirt.
- 38:40Speaker 26: But at the same time, Norman got news that his father,
- 38:43Speaker 26: Norman Senior, had been diagnosed with terminal cancer and had
- 38:47Speaker 26: only months to live.
- 38:49Speaker 25: As you sitting in a sale thinking about it, I'm
- 38:52Speaker 25: not going to get a call tomorrow. Days passed away.
- 38:56Speaker 26: His dad stood by him and believed in Norman's innocence
- 39:00Speaker 26: from day one.
- 39:01Speaker 25: He's been there from the moment I was arrested till now.
- 39:06Speaker 26: And Norman's hope of being freed and seeing his father
- 39:09Speaker 26: again jumped when Jennifer tracked down that alternate suspect, linking
- 39:14Speaker 26: his fingerprints and car to the crime scene.
- 39:17Speaker 27: I was actually able to refute all the evidence entered
- 39:21Speaker 27: against Norman at trial, point to an alternate suspect, and
- 39:25Speaker 27: practically prove it was the alternate suspect.
- 39:30Speaker 26: And just last month, Norman McIntosh walked out of prison
- 39:37Speaker 26: into the waiting arms of his overjoyed family.
- 39:40Speaker 25: You don't think it's true. You're just hoping that that
- 39:46Speaker 25: is really happening. It's unbelievable, and until you out and
- 39:50Speaker 25: away from the prison, then you started believing, Okay, I'm
- 39:53Speaker 25: really out.
- 39:54Speaker 26: Now Norman at last got to hug his fourteen year
- 39:58Speaker 26: old son, Hassan, who was born just months after Norman
- 40:02Speaker 26: was locked up.
- 40:03Speaker 25: I could touch him back without being in prison.
- 40:10Speaker 26: And he would have a tearful reunion with his ailing dad,
- 40:14Speaker 26: Norman Senior.
- 40:15Speaker 25: I wasn't supposed to be here, but but I am.
- 40:20Speaker 26: Norman Senior would die just weeks later, peaceful and content
- 40:25Speaker 26: after seeing his son finally free.
- 40:29Speaker 25: I think he held on as long as he did
- 40:31Speaker 25: just so he could see me home.