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Talks to Si Hart & Dr Simon Exton about their choice of The Web Planet (3/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  How do you get through the rest of them?
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  Now, I get through life, without you.
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  Okay. Are you ready first shots?
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  Just absolutely. I mean, you've enjoyed your own.
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  I'm assuming. Yep.
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  So, just count me in. Okay, three, two, one.
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  Hello. And welcome back to a hamster
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  with a blunt penknife. And we rejoin the action where
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  All Brave Joe Ford has been infiltrated by to Simon's.
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  Not tearing Your Wings off. It's fine.
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  I'm sorry. And we're enjoying the web
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  Planet. Oh my God.
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  Miss Lee. You should do all of these.
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  Sorry, sorry, you're again. Oh yeah, are not needed anymore.
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  It's fine. When I was when I was a, I was
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  first qualified and I was a baby baby junior doctor working on
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  the care of the elderly. Ward, they used to call me the
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  patient Whisperer. I bet they did well, actually,
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  you know, I gotta confess something to you, right?
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  So I listened to one of your episodes on the beach the other
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  day because I knew you was coming off, or I'm going to
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  listen when his episodes not going to listen to this podcast
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  and the pair of you, I've got really sexy voices.
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  I've heard. Do you know what they're talking
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  about? But I can listen to these guys
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  all day. Well, it is something Ken does
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  for a living. So okay, Okay.
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  The 10 because heat episode. Did you listen to out of
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  curiosity and massive vanity? The time monster.
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  Oh, oh God, we get a bit filthy on that one.
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  Yeah, yeah, that was right up Jose string.
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  That's where we focus on that time.
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  Sniffer out of that. We call the dildo Mentor.
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  Well, I hope he looks like there.
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  I saw that. I was like reading the synopsis
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  of our episodes as well, and there was stuff on there that
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  you had written and your co-host was reading out.
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  Is that right? Yeah.
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  Yeah. They're in there.
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  Is I try and ignore the fact that he did that because I used
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  to do creative writing and I used to do creative writing
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  about vampires and it wasn't just the fact that I was a boy,
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  I used to be a massive God and I did used to be a massive gas.
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  Just look at my Instagram. Great, I'm there, but I started
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  creative writing as a form of therapy.
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  After I got knifed and it just, it just sort of headed.
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  On from that. And I'm quite proud of what I've
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  what I did and I did get a few things published and that was
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  that was a story that was published in in Visionary
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  tongue, which is still in Constantine's magazine.
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  I've never actually been able to listen to Ken's reading of it.
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  I get about 3 seconds in and go. Nope can't listen to this.
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  What just because of kind of what inspired it and where that
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  okay, no, not that, not that at all.
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  It's just I had I have the same problem with audiobooks things
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  readout don't sound right in somebody else's voice.
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  I can't listen to audio books because I'm not the one reading
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  it. And when I read a book, it's
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  it's my voice in my brain really well and thanks for sharing that
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  as well. By the way.
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  Joe one of the lovely things about doing this.
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  It is not just talking about the Doctor Who but actually getting
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  to know, the people saw the sign very informal about doing a
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  commentary like this where people for over the first time
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  that's I came on and you know he's become famous now for his
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  tales of Youth I believe there's a t-shirt out there with that,
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  Auntie Em. Next week, his face sigh the
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  other side. Can you just please?
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  I'm sorry. This is We self-indulgent, but
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  don't care. Can you just tell everybody what
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  occurred today, please? And how we now know that you are
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  celebrity. Oh my God!
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  Yes, what at work? One of the things I do on a
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  Monday at 11:00 a torrid just wisly plug plug is, I do Library
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  story time, which is something I've done for got 22 years.
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  I think, since I did my very first Library story time now.
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  So I'll just do it as a matter of course.
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  And I get very good at Attendance each week, which is
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  fantastic. But today, someone came up to me
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  afterwards and she said, oh, thank you very much for the
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  story. We really enjoyed my son, really
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  enjoyed that. And I just wanted to let you
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  know that. My husband told me to come to
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  this is that because said, he's listened to your podcast and he
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  knows how brilliant you are. He loves Blake's 7 and Doctor
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  Who so he's lists all of those and Yeah, I was I was just sort
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  of Blown Away by by the fact that someone in real life, not
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  on social media, some knew what I'd done and came up and just
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  said, yeah, I've listened to yourself and it's great.
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  Yeah, it's just amazing. Real world, sort of feedback.
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  It's superb. Hey, there.
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  Like this, this thing, you know, obviously, it's a fun hobby to
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  have, but it's astonishing the connections that you can make,
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  is that exactly, I know. We're just give a shout out to
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  Tom Keel, if you're listening to this this commentary I'm hello.
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  And thank you very much. You you and your wife made my
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  day today. Um kill you're invited to come
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  on any time you like well look here we are making connections,
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  both old and new. We have episode 3 of the web
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  planet to enjoy. Shall we gentlemen?
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  Or and we should escape to Danger.
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  My go sounds exciting. It sounds very exciting.
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  Again. It's like I'm excited.
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  Is that being a gay Soldier? Again, I'm telling ya, ya, ya
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  Escape that, especially if you're a 1 in Brian, you're in
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  more danger outside. Okay, somebody count a certain
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  quick, change the subject. Okay, in five four, three, two,
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  one off we go, here we go. So as I promised in the last
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  episode, I said I would look up the ratings for the web planet
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  and they have got pretty well. So episode one gets the 13.5
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  million and Was joint 18th in the charts that week for TV.
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  Then we go to 12.5 for the Czar, be and escape to Danger, back up
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  to 13 million for the crater of needles down to 12 for the
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  invasion and then dancer 11.5 for the center.
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  So actually it holds up pretty well.
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  That's a stout astonishment. Those are the numbers.
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  Is that the McCoy era would weep over?
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  Exactly. So yeah, it did really well.
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  Each of them was in the top 20, which at that time, was, was a
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  huge achievement for Doctor. Who And I don't forget, still
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  Hinchcliffe. Really that an early Tom Baker
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  that we head up to those Heights again.
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  It's like a parking space to isn't it is a next time?
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  Yeah, it's something yeah. Which was the date.
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  My parents got married. Well, there we go.
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  My cousin. My cousin had to go out of the
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  reception to watch Arkin space part two because he was not
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  going to miss it. But I mean, I can understand
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  that entirely. Yeah, evidence in was on the
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  day, I got married, you know, just stop everything for her
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  consent. Yeah, I didn't buy publisher,
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  the relationship didn't last much longer than that, if I'm
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  honest, I should have. Prioritize the Doctor Who I'm
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  dr. Simon extant.
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  Can I ask you a question? Yeah far away.
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  What's your what's your birth Doctor?
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  Who story protons? Ah yes.
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  Oh wonderful. I was born the day after
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  croutons episode 3, amazing. Oh my God.
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  You know what? In all this conversation, I've
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  not been watching the program at all.
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  What's going to live here? There's I'll be there going a
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  bit mad and we've had the first chat with the Animus and heard
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  the spooky voice of Catherine Fleming who does brilliantly.
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  She's very menacing and very very calm and still It is
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  because I thought it was a bloke.
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  Initially. It's such a deep voice.
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  I think I was supposed to be asexual.
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  Is that the idea my baby? And I mean by the time you get
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  into episode 6, the The Voice, the Animus does sound very
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  female. But two of husky Has been chain
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  smoking capstan full strength. Since she was about four does
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  sound. Like we've just seen the first
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  instance of them, adopter flying away from the zombie.
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  Yes. I mean the direction was a
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  little bit unfortunate because this other the monocular flying
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  off and then the Dolby were obviously waiting for their cue
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  to run after but when they did and they have their little arms
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  and things going wild, then they would do very exciting.
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  And what is this strange tube Don?
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  Simon extant is currently holding up a small Zone.
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  Oh, that's very cool. What is this stunning?
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  I want one of those. Oh, that's great.
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  The, the horrible people at Eagle Moss who keep producing,
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  beautiful, beautiful things that I cannot, I cannot possibly
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  resist. And every time I turn around and
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  say I'm not buying anything more from them, they Would look a
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  chameleon. I haven't no, I'm limiting
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  myself to apart from special things like Zambia war machines.
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  I'm limiting myself to just the little shelf, he ones I've got
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  this fabulous, original, Dalek killer Populist, he's got a
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  Bentley. I can't tell you how that
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  happens, but it is bent It's always prosecution this tubular
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  hair dryer. That's come down because I think
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  is what he calls it. So, like, she's supposed to be
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  under the planet. So where the hell, what is that?
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  What is that? What about the speaker?
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  Okay, thank you. That was very succinct.
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  Thank you very much. He's this episode where we were
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  introduced to the Opera was at the next wall.
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  I think that's the next episode. Yeah.
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  Because he instilled with the doctor and Vicki at the moment.
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  So, yeah. Because he needs to go out to
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  the carcinoma meet Preston. Yeah.
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  For and that it isn't isn't the Cliffhanger to this him and rest
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  in falling through the yes. That's right.
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  Yes, and and you can hear somebody laughing in the
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  background. So I'll work out.
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  Here's where the zombie job bubs into the camera.
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  Yeah, there we go. Well, here we are back in the
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  safety of the TARDIS. Again, are we still got all
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  those, like, prickles all over his face as Nate from where that
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  nickname? Yes.
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  This is, this has kind of been our first moment of relief,
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  isn't it? Because they've been in that
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  weird atmosphere now for like a whole episode me too.
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  Now this is where he dragged. Something about that.
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  Face of yours. Is it?
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  A bit where he drags the astral map?
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  Our ship. Yes and goes.
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  No, no. Do not pluck it.
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  We cannot what is it? What's he call it, you?
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  You must never break the astral link.
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  What does that mean? Don't Unplug it.
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  You must never break the link. Yes, I read about this period is
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  there's no fixed rules at this point.
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  They can just make up shit like this.
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  And we just got that. Sounds intriguing.
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  You know, we never see the astral map ever again, though.
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  Do it. Yeah.
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  Galaxy to Galaxy for. Yeah.
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  That I think they just throw it in Galaxy for I'd love it if she
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  pulled it out and legends and see Devils all over his cold,
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  it's the Astro man. Hmm.
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  He's trying to figure out where they are now.
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  Isn't he's like, okay, yeah and Ians taking no notice of him
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  because he's too busy taking slap off.
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  I think he might be that what what's that character called in
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  the Chase and Space Museums. Special features that guy that
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  was dragged up. Talking about yesterday's,
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  stranger special, like a dick. Tardis is fully support.
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  Love fully operational, I do lots of supplies.
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  Yeah, and massive amount of cotton wool.
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  Yeah, well, maybe that's that, like, I guess that's why I came
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  to 20th century Earth, he's got to stock up.
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  How is that? Because that's the only place in
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  the universe. You can get cotton wool,
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  probably. Yeah.
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  He was you want to take it off one of the Varga plants?
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  They never break the Time and Relative Dimension link.
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  There we go. Yeah.
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  Yeah, it looks cetera. I think that's just the excuse
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  as to why they're dragging out. There's a massive power cable
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  coming up. Be right there as terroristic
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  says, we'll cover it with a line.
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  All right. Act like, you know what there's
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  that, really? Creepy Cliff Agonist.
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  Remember, one that massive profit Rubens comes out of the
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  wall and suck. I knew you'd have something to
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  say about that. Joke, use, come on.
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  That reminds me of one of those donors as well as usual.
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  I've been sitting in there for years, waiting for someone to
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  have a shag with him. This could be set in the past
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  for all we know. To be far future, could be far
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  in the past. I don't think it makes any
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  difference to be perfectly honest.
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  I think this exists in that same sort of weird space as like the
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  Mind robber and warriors gay, you know, just I love worries
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  gate. I love worries gets much.
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  Yeah, that's great. Although I don't remember
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  watching it first time around. Why do I remember not
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  understanding in the first time around?
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  I'm not sure. I entirely understand it now.
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  Yes. Hear what's happening with that
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  zombie? Is he's not well.
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  He's lost one of his teeth. All right.
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  He has gone off for his his subplot now for some of the best
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  things ever are William Hartnell and Maureen O'Brien.
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  I think they are wonderful together.
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  Yeah. But in the way that Hartley was
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  like dictatorial with Susan with Carolyn Ford.
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  If there's just a real warmth between the first doctor on
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  Vicki, I've been kids because she loves the adventure as much
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  as he does, and so they egg each other on When I got in the room.
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  Yeah, they're like a pair of giggling kids all my, they find
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  that holding it. There are so excited.
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  They found the body in the bushes, and I think they've, I
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  think they learned their writing mistakes with Susan.
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  Yeah, because Susan's not a great character, but Carolyn
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  Ford is, she's a decent enough actress.
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  But if you have, you seen her in any non Doctor Who stuff, The
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  only thing I've seen are in our doctor who is shade down return
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  the sontarans and she's not going to great performance in
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  that way. You play, She faces drunken van
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  fashion designer style darling, who was in an episode of private
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  and public eye. Oh, yes, yes, yes, I've seen
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  that yes, as a Teenage prostitute, not long after she
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  left up to him and she puts in an absolutely superb
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  performance. Do you think is the writing that
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  you think it's the watching it on to the ladder?
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  Yeah. And the fact that they had no
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  idea what to do with the character.
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  I can't disagree because I think some of the Carolina for
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  companion, Chronicles, that big finish did.
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  She gives, you know, a superlative performances in
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  those and the writings just so much better fire.
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  But yeah, I mean you can't trust what they're doing with Vicki
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  here with how they treat Susan in say the reign of terror where
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  she's just whimpering and scared and Carol.
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  Why are you always so Maudlin director?
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  Hi, Rick Hurst. And yeah, and yet Vicki just has
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  a sense of wonder and love of reef information.
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  Shots, I'll be putting himself in.
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  Oh no. That was like, I'm sorry.
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  I'm not here to watch. Certainly is.
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  You said it disgusting. Oh my God, look at these.
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  I'll be running. I love.
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  I think that Venom G just waiting for his cue look in a
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  minute. He goes zooming off.
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  Oh no he doesn't. All right I'm making it up.
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  Sorry. And someone's gonna go have to
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  help up that paws are but he's not getting back up off that it
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  is no way. It was nice.
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  He is the commentary. Apparently, he was supposed to
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  get up and the actor just could Couldn't I couldn't get up from.
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  There we go. He's got his Q now.
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  He's moving. I've noticed that the lights are
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  down here as well. So you kind of just pick out the
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  Czar be in the different Spotlight as they hit them.
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  And they look, I think they look really impressive in laughs
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  light. Oh, there we go.
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  Yeah, makes a different old flyman optra.
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  Look at that because that would be a great exclamation.
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  Wouldn't it flying but not try it.
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  Like Mona Lisa's. So, what's happening with
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  Barbara right now? I've lost track of, she's on
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  holiday oshino in this episode. No, right.
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  I should know. I have never ever notice that.
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  Well, you can only say something so obvious.
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  So she's been taken to the crate over near, so she's just on a
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  long journey. Over the sir.
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  She's on the bus, she's on the bus, the crater of needles.
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  Okay. Yeah, it's a Mega Bus.
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  It will take its time. The most egregious example is
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  when she says in the sensor eyes and I'll just stay up here on
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  the spaceship. One of you go down there, nice
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  and fun. You know, and I'll come back
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  another with as a sun bed up here,
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  unconscious for an episode. Or Susan's about to be married
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  off, in the Warrior people of Peru.
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  That what? That out.
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  Yeah. I'll look at the way he holds
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  look. He cops her face.
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  It's just really lovely. Do you remember the scene in The
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  Crusade? Where is like it's going to be
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  very, it's very, very interesting who's your friend.
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  So make you like the veritable strutting peacock, what do you
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  fancy being a strutting peacock? Who said who's your friend?
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  Because that's totally boring. That's right?
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  That's not. Yeah, I love it when she slips.
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  Into a scause every so often. It's really good but oh my gosh,
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  one of the funniest always slipping into a bit of scarce.
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  You've done all this all of this, my fault.
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  Haha, you think so happy? But isn't it fascinating that he
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  is so different to the way that we were told ya that he was a
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  grumpy, crotchety old man, but he's got such a sense of fun,
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  and he's got such a wonderful Giggle, and all of these things
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  were really surprised when I saw the heart no era the first time
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  around, because he's so far away.
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  He's misremembered later on, isn't he in the fight because
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  His hand in twice Upon a Time because the only episode anyone
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  had seen at that point. For a long, long time was an
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  unearthly child and the first story depending on two stories.
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  Maybe, but, you know, and so everyone for well, that's what
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  he's like, but he's not really like that at all.
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  He softens some fairly quickly. Well yeah, I mean he wants like
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  that for a bit because he's pretty selfish and miserable in
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  the Daleks and they you've got edge of Destruction and that
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  fantastic scene at the end where Barbara just absolutely rounds
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  on him and you stupid old man. She's going to go down.
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  Yeah. And Simon.
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  I thought you were going to act out that entire scene and go on
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  off you go. Now I'll have to fluff up my
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  hair like I'm back home. And has there ever been a
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  companion that has torn that much of a strip off in again?
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  I not that I can recall an engine.
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  Oh I love the fact then he returns the favor in the Aztecs.
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  Doesn't he it's like you know no that's just it.
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  You didn't think you know that I think they there's a there's a
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  I'm not gonna say it's sexual chemistry but there is a there's
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  it sizzles between the two of them, doesn't it?
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  Well, they're treating each other as equals.
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  Yeah, which is what makes me really annoyed when he's
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  misremembered as a comedy sexist in that Steven Moffat.
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  She's not like that and he's doing at all like that.
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  No. And you watch it in this story.
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  It's Barbara who suggests that the Tardis needs a good clean
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  and a and a tidy up and things like that.
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  It none of it comes from the doctor at all.
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  He treats his female companions as equals But particularly
• 26:27
  Barbara amount of men have come into my home and said, you know,
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  this place needs a jolly good spring clean.
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  I've never said it. Joe, never know you've been
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  thinking it though. I know you have we got this
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  lovely relationship here between Iran and Preston.
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  I love that. They can't say the names.
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  And that's such a wonderful little touch.
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  Much. And I don't know whether that's
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  in the script or whether it's sort of the actors thinking
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  about the parts that they're playing and they're bringing
• 27:03
  that to it. But again, it just makes them
• 27:05
  seem that just little bit more alien.
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  But I think that I think the main optra names were changed
• 27:13
  part way through to make them sound more alien, okay?
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  So I I think propolis was certainly changed and crossed
• 27:28
  our as well to make them sound a bit more.
• 27:35
  Bit more alien. Yeah, these are sick.
• 27:38
  You know what if I didn't know any better, I would have
• 27:41
  suggested those names have come straight out of a new adventures
• 27:43
  book, you know, this is got there first.
• 27:48
  But it's a nice relationship between resting in the end,
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  isn't it? It's it's very it is and if it's
• 27:55
  really the thing that saves that whole subplot because he's he
• 28:01
  he's booted off underground and doesn't really do an awful lot.
• 28:05
  Now there are some very nice touches to it and some nice
• 28:08
  dialogue but it doesn't actually advance advance the plot in the
• 28:11
  slightest. Whereas Barbara is front and
• 28:13
  center and he's really the one that saves the day.
• 28:17
  Why do love those terrible grub? People though has a lot of like
• 28:21
  you know that people make right and that poor woman who shoves
• 28:25
  her face on the wall and gets acid or yes.
• 28:28
  Yeah I mean yeah that that is horrible but it doesn't actually
• 28:33
  Advance the the main plot and then they're they're they're
• 28:36
  treated as a joke right at the end.
• 28:40
  They are Shan Mei Yin the very same old bless.
• 28:43
  Look at that, Venom grab. Do you see the man walking
• 28:45
  across but what could they do? I mean, come on of all of the
• 28:57
  alien creatures that they produce in this the Venom grabs.
• 28:59
  The only ones that really don't work and that's why she's so
• 29:04
  happy. Is that the idea they would lice
• 29:06
  I'm guessing that that would like, but, Yeah, I mean there's
• 29:15
  our B look great, the manometer look fantastic.
• 29:17
  The optra work for what they are.
• 29:21
  And when we get to see it, the Animus is a really.
• 29:25
  Yeah. It was like a massive spider,
• 29:27
  doesn't it? Or she says I am.
• 29:31
  Do you realize there's some poor bugger on his hands and knees in
• 29:34
  that Venom grub getting across that set?
• 29:37
  Yes, the things people do for money.
• 29:39
  I'm just and also there's a bit of confusion yujin Direction
• 29:45
  there because I remember the first time I watched this and
• 29:47
  that that kind of seal and the smoke started coming down and
• 29:52
  then they're just gone. On my what happened?
• 29:54
  I'm very confused. It's because you don't see it,
• 29:57
  you don't see them. Now you would have a scene of
• 30:00
  them, sort of tumbling with rubble, falling all over them
• 30:03
  and things like that. But obviously, they haven't
• 30:05
  quite got the time or resources to make that happen.
• 30:08
  Yeah. At this point I think you get a
• 30:11
  bit more of that at the start of the next episode, don't you?
• 30:14
  Plus laughter. Yes.
• 30:19
  But would you say that the Cliffhangers on a whole are
• 30:22
  strong in this story or not the show's best?
• 30:27
  I think they fit in well with the the story I mean sometimes
• 30:31
  you can get episodes that are so geared around giving a good
• 30:35
  Cliffhanger that they deviate from the story itself whereas
• 30:39
  this one Yeah, they fit in. Well they don't distract you too
• 30:45
  much from the plot and for all that the setting is really
• 30:51
  unusual and Innovative. The plot itself is pretty
• 30:56
  linear. Yeah.
• 30:58
  Really. And I think that's probably
• 30:59
  where people have that the most issues with this.
• 31:02
  Why there isn't there's atmosphere but there's not a lot
• 31:07
  of complexity and I would question whether they're six
• 31:11
  episodes worth of incident happening here as well.
• 31:14
  No, well because the the Opera were a last-minute addition to
• 31:18
  the script. So a lot of those scenes were
• 31:22
  written by Dennis Spooner, sort of to fill it out a bit more.
• 31:28
  So don't quite know what they have done with Ian for all of
• 31:31
  those scenes. Otherwise, that's so interesting
• 31:34
  because those are the scenes where there's the most sort of
• 31:38
  metaphor in the data. Then I talk about making man.
• 31:41
  All this in a wall. I yeah, I think it's really
• 31:45
  interesting dialogue. You'd recommend it would make a
• 31:48
  much tighter for barter. Yeah, but it wouldn't be the by
• 31:52
  Planet then would it. And also you'd have you'd have
• 31:57
  to the main get the main cast absolute tripping over each
• 32:00
  other. Okay.
• 32:01
  Ian is sent underground as a sideline but his interaction
• 32:06
  with breast students really nice?
• 32:09
  Yeah. The optra, add nothing to the
• 32:14
  plot, but they're actually, they're actually quite nice
• 32:18
  little creatures. Well, well, we've had three
• 32:26
  episodes of the web planet and I, you know, I'm going to tell
• 32:29
  the truth. We are taking a quick break now
• 32:32
  of possibly a week or two that we believe you said, how long is
• 32:36
  gonna be? But we're going to be back super
• 32:41
  refreshed for the last three episodes of the web Planet.
• 32:44
  I've only watched the first free.
• 32:45
  So I got the next free to watch again.
• 32:46
  Now, any final thoughts before we go?
• 32:52
  It's good, isn't it? It's pretty good.
• 32:54
  I'm loving this. Well, we'll be back for four to
• 32:58
  six, although they won't know this because only bring them
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  back and S very soon.