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Is Europe becoming more accepting while America becomes more divided? · The Karel Show

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  Speaker 4: this Gay Week. It would be remiss of me, as
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  Speaker 4: a journalist myself, to not ask you. We've heard rumblings
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  Speaker 4: about ceasefires and putin has been celebrating victory Day like
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  Speaker 4: he's won something. And then the President Zelenski, who still
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  Speaker 4: hasn't consented to marry me, said that they are also
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  Speaker 4: going to cease for a day or two or three.
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  Speaker 4: Is there a sense over there that this could be
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  Speaker 4: winding down?
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  Speaker 5: The short answer not really. The assumption among some civilians
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  Speaker 5: is that the ceasefires are probably going to be largely symbolic.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, the victory are made a uh. I mean
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  Speaker 5: I parade is essentially going to have a lack of
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  Speaker 5: a lot of military equipment. I mean there's already been
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  Speaker 5: exchange of fire. I mean just before this call, we
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  Speaker 5: have another aread alarm. So in terms of a ceasefire
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  Speaker 5: and the respect for the ceasefire, the record is rather grim.
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  Speaker 4: protect you.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe it's as it has that kind of yellow like
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  Speaker 5: the Simpsons, you know, like the kind of a.
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  Speaker 4: Dead body in it and throw it in the drash
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  Speaker 4: sort of thing. Is when it really is giving me.
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  Speaker 4: But hey, all in Hungary there's a very handsome new
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  Speaker 4: prime minister, young vibrant, you know, new prime minister. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: and they have taken a poll of what voters want
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  Speaker 4: from him. Uh, and there's two overwhelming issues. Can you
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  Speaker 4: guess what those are?
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  Speaker 5: Climate crisis and LGBTQ rights.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, you must have read the same story I did,
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  Speaker 4: but yes, climate crisis and seventy percent of the voters
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  Speaker 4: are interested in him retaining or bolstering or bringing back
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  Speaker 4: LGBTQ protections according to a poll. Now, you listen to
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  Speaker 4: the international poults out there, so I know that you're
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  Speaker 4: supposed to be interviewing me on this, but let me
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  Speaker 4: ask you, do you see him making LGBTQ issues a priority?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, if the majority of the population is in
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  Speaker 5: support of it, especially when it's literally two and one
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  Speaker 5: third to one, then there's a substantial motion to have
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  Speaker 5: him actually do something about it. I mean, there are
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  Speaker 5: points at which even weak democracies will have to seed
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  Speaker 5: some power back to the voter base. And you know
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  Speaker 5: they have a road ahead of them where for approximately
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  Speaker 5: sixteen years, Orbon had decimated a lot of the independent
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  Speaker 5: institutions that are, in American parlance, considered checks and balances
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  Speaker 5: on democratic.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I find most interesting about these polls is,
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  Speaker 4: at least in Hungary, you're saying you know, maybe he'll
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  Speaker 4: pay attention. In America, it's the converse. We have about
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  Speaker 4: the same numbers. Seventy one percent of the people surveyed
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  Speaker 4: approve of gay marriage. A majority of Americans are over
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  Speaker 4: the gay now they're not. They've got other fish to fry.
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  Speaker 4: Gay marriage has been legal for a while. They're like,
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  Speaker 4: you know what, let's just move on. Whether they agree
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  Speaker 4: with gayness or whatever, it doesn't matter. They're They're at
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  Speaker 4: a point now where there's overwhelming approval in the United
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  Speaker 4: States for LGBTQ issues. And yet just today Ron DeSantis
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  Speaker 4: announced that Key West is pulling any government funding for Pride.
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  Speaker 4: He passed a law that says no Florida Pride organization
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  Speaker 4: can receive money from state or from local municipalities. I
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  Speaker 4: would like to remind Ron DeSantis we had pride long
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  Speaker 4: before we were supported by cities or states. We're going
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  Speaker 4: to have pride no matter whether you support us or not,
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  Speaker 4: So fuck you, Ron de Santis. We've done it before
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  Speaker 4: without cities and states. We'll do it again without cities
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  Speaker 4: and states because you can't stop pride. But that being said,
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  Speaker 4: in our country, we have the polling numbers that show
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  Speaker 4: we're supportive. Our government does nothing. I'm interested to see
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  Speaker 4: if the age gap is going to make a difference.
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  Speaker 4: The prime minister or the is very young, very vibrant,
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  Speaker 4: and i think very in touch with the people, so
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  Speaker 4: I'm wondering if that will make him more receptive to
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  Speaker 4: gay issues. Will be right back really.
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  Speaker 1: Let's give it a go. Krill is the one that
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  Speaker 1: you need to know.
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  Speaker 4: Scott Jacobson, journalist for The good Man Project and other publications,
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  Speaker 4: is live in Ukraine right now as we speak to
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  Speaker 4: Loving Something at night. There we are talking about do
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  Speaker 4: you think the age of the Hungarian prime minister will
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  Speaker 4: matter in this? Because I do. You know, older farts
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  Speaker 4: here in America, older politicians are pretty entrenched in anti
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  Speaker 4: gay ideology, whether it's what the people want or not,
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  Speaker 4: they just grew up with that and that's where the
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  Speaker 4: way they are. This guy is younger, more vibrant. I
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  Speaker 4: have hope that even if he's not the most pro
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  Speaker 4: gay prime minister personally that he'll actually because of his
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  Speaker 4: age listen to the people. Well that's my hope for them.
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  Speaker 4: What do you think on that?
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  Speaker 5: It's an interesting point. I mean from the American advantage,
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  Speaker 5: age is a determinant, but it's not the sole determinant.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you can have individuals who have extreme political
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  Speaker 5: and social views that would be considered regressive, who are
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  Speaker 5: in fact quite young. Individuals like Nick Fuentes come to mind.
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  Speaker 5: Although the overall trend is for younger people to be
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  Speaker 5: more fair in their sort of application and universal and
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  Speaker 5: their application of things like human rights and treatment of people.
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  Speaker 5: That's not necessarily a determinant as.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, And this guy's being pulled in a
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  Speaker 4: lot of directions, you know, because the voters in Hungary
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  Speaker 4: are little schizophrenic. For instance, you're in Kiev right now.
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  Speaker 4: They said sixty four percent of those polled say they
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  Speaker 4: expected his government to improve relations with Kiev. However, the
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  Speaker 4: war is on, get twenty four percent for support for
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  Speaker 4: the war. So the voters there are a little bit schizophrenic.
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  Speaker 4: But there's two things they overwhelmingly approve. Seventy seven percent
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  Speaker 4: say climate change. Seventy one percent say LGBTQ rights. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I have never I've never been to Hungry, and as
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  Speaker 4: you can see, I've never been Hungry. No, but I've
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  Speaker 4: never been to Hungry, So I don't know, but it
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  Speaker 4: appears to me the people there seem to be pity
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  Speaker 4: receptive to the LGBTQ community, which I find surprising giving
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  Speaker 4: where the country is, or Bond's rule you know, for
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  Speaker 4: one hundred years, and his of course very anti gay,
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  Speaker 4: very Russian stance on gay people. So this is one
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  Speaker 4: of the encouraging things is governmentally. It's a huge switch,
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  Speaker 4: you know, to go from Morbond, who was like kill
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  Speaker 4: gay people to this guy who hasn't really spoken much
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  Speaker 4: about it, but is now showing in the polls that
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  Speaker 4: the people are actually tired of LGBTQ oppression. And so
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  Speaker 4: to the Hungarian people, I say, unto you, keep it up.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's great that this issue is right up
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  Speaker 4: there with climate change for you. I think it's great
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  Speaker 4: that as a country, the Hungarians are showing that they
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  Speaker 4: want to be tolerant and accepting of their members of
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  Speaker 4: their country, because let's be real, these aren't aliens, these
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  Speaker 4: are other Hungarians, and so I'm encouraged by what's happening
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  Speaker 4: in Hungary, and I don't get encouraged a lot by
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  Speaker 4: what's going on in the world globally for LGBTQ rights,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm encouraged if nothing else, that seventy one percent
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  Speaker 4: of voters want LGBTQ rights to actually be an issue
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  Speaker 4: for the new government. That's encouraging. And so this is
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  Speaker 4: actually a spot of bright news in the LGBTQ worldwide
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  Speaker 4: view of things, because at least we have people, a
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  Speaker 4: large amount of people on our side, or on my side,
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  Speaker 4: or the side of LGBTQ people in nationally, and that's fine.
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  Speaker 4: Whether the government, this new government under him, under the
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  Speaker 4: new Prime minister, whether it does expand protections and enforced
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  Speaker 4: protections has yet to be seen. But it's nice that
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  Speaker 4: the people are pushing them in that direction.
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  Speaker 5: No, that's a really good point. I mean, the overall
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  Speaker 5: trend is I mean, to your a larger point. If
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  Speaker 5: you do have a younger person, the tendency is to
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  Speaker 5: expect someone who's a little bit more in touch with
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  Speaker 5: the mainstream of the population, because that's the biggest hunk
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  Speaker 5: of living voters.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, at least in Hungry. I mean, boomers over here
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  Speaker 4: still dominate, but of a lot of other countries they
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  Speaker 4: have a lot of much younger voters. And this whole
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  Speaker 4: live and let live attitude that I'm getting out of Hungry.
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  Speaker 4: It's interesting because it you know, it's funny, you know,
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  Speaker 4: when you think of homophobia as a straight person or
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  Speaker 4: straight adjacent to whatever you are, mere straight, when you
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  Speaker 4: think when you think of gay rights, do you think
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  Speaker 4: let me let me ask you before we go into
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  Speaker 4: the next straight when you think of lgbt Q acceptance,
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  Speaker 4: do you think that it's gotten better recently or do
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  Speaker 4: you think that there could have been a time where
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  Speaker 4: it was actually better and then got worse and is
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  Speaker 4: now coming around again. Because a lot of people think
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  Speaker 4: that the olden days were just really homophobic, like oh
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  Speaker 4: my god, you know, and now we're getting better. Do
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  Speaker 4: you do you think that was the trend?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there's a couple of things going on there.
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  Speaker 5: On the one hand, I mean, some people do use
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  Speaker 5: that to disbash old people, so there's a little bit
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  Speaker 5: agesm in that. But in terms of like the laws
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  Speaker 5: and the policy of the state at that time, there
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  Speaker 5: were fewer rights and then before the contemporary era, say
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  Speaker 5: early middle twentieth century. Now, the whole framework of universal
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  Speaker 5: human rights as an epic to be applied wasn't there.
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  Speaker 5: So people just had to look for fair treatment in
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  Speaker 5: other ways, reinterpretation of religious scripture for instance. And so
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  Speaker 5: in terms of really bad, it depends on how far
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  Speaker 5: you want to go back.
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  Speaker 4: Right, I mean feed de Lion's bad or well. The
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  Speaker 4: reason I bring that up is a story out of
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  Speaker 4: Northern Ireland. There's a historian there that has been doing
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  Speaker 4: research into LGBTQ issues and what he found and Northern
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  Speaker 4: Iron remember very Catholic and Protestant and very very religious place.
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  Speaker 4: What he found was, prior to the nineteen fifties and sixties,
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  Speaker 4: which is when this moral panic movement took over, there
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  Speaker 4: was actually a live and let live tolerance in Northern
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  Speaker 4: Iron for lgbt Ireland, for LGBTQ people. Northern Ireland carved
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  Speaker 4: a grim reputation for homophobia for over fifty years, a
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  Speaker 4: record of intolerance and bigotry that was so baroke that
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  Speaker 4: it literally was turned into an opera. In nineteen seventies.
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  Speaker 4: Ian Paisley, the leader of the Democratic Unionist Party and
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  Speaker 4: Free Presbyterian Church led a Save Ulster from Sodomy crusade
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  Speaker 4: to resist the decriminalization of homosexuality in the seventies and
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  Speaker 4: in the eighties and nineties they actually planted bait gay men,
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  Speaker 4: you know, straight man out there to try to lure
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  Speaker 4: gay men into acts in the parks and public toilets,
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  Speaker 4: to try to arrest them. And so they have a
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  Speaker 4: very bad last fifty years when it comes to LGBTQ
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  Speaker 4: rights in Northern Ireland. However, it wasn't always like that.
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  Speaker 4: Research is suggesting now that in the Victorian era and
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  Speaker 4: the early twentieth century, Northern Ireland was much more tolerant
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  Speaker 4: and accepting of gay men. Now, this guy, Tom Huleme
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  Speaker 4: is the historian at Queen's Universe City, how appropriate, in Belfast.
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  Speaker 4: He has done a lot of research. He wrote a
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  Speaker 4: book called Belfast Men and Intimate History of Life before
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  Speaker 4: Gay Liberation which just came out, and they said that
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  Speaker 4: among friends and families and employers it was sort of
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  Speaker 4: known or understood that a man may have desires for
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  Speaker 4: another man and they could remain unmarried and live alone
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  Speaker 4: or have many close male friends, and it wasn't problematic.
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  Speaker 4: They didn't get discriminated against. They didn't get thrown out
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  Speaker 4: of their houses, they didn't get beaten. It wasn't until
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  Speaker 4: a moral uprising in the fifties and sixties that this happened.
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  Speaker 4: And that's very interesting because if you look at America,
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  Speaker 4: the same replies. There was a time in America in
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  Speaker 4: the twenties, thirties, forties where people knew about gay people
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  Speaker 4: and they you know, they didn't have rights governmentally, but
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  Speaker 4: they weren't beaten or killed. They were left alone. It
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  Speaker 4: was living live. And then there came this moral majority
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  Speaker 4: that rose up in the sixties and seventies with people
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  Speaker 4: you know, what's his name, Jerry Folwell and all the
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  Speaker 4: others who really then vilified gays and in the seventies
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  Speaker 4: and the eighties and then nineties really fought against LGBTQ people.
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  Speaker 4: And then just like Northern Ireland swung around in the
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  Speaker 4: two thousands to where people were less inclined to follow
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  Speaker 4: the moral majority they called themselves, although I would like
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  Speaker 4: to believe they're a minority and really think for themselves
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  Speaker 4: on the issue. So it's interesting to see that the
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  Speaker 4: same thing happened in Northern Ireland that prior to the
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  Speaker 4: moral panic of the fifties and sixties. Being gay wasn't
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  Speaker 4: a big thing, and it's like live and let live.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, I'm not saying that is a good
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  Speaker 4: state of being. It's not because you do need legal
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  Speaker 4: protections and you do need, you know, the government to
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  Speaker 4: be involved in civil rights. So I'm not saying it
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  Speaker 4: was a good thing, but at least and this goes
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  Speaker 4: back to Hungary people. The government may not have been
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  Speaker 4: accepting of gay people in Northern Ireland, but the people were,
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  Speaker 4: and the same in America in the twenties and the thirties,
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  Speaker 4: the government may not have been accepting of gay people,
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  Speaker 4: but a lot of people were. And I think this
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  Speaker 4: really shows that governments are very slow to catch up.
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  Speaker 4: They they make sweeping moves quickly, but it takes them
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  Speaker 4: forever to undo them, even though the will of the
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  Speaker 4: people is there too undo them. So it's very interesting
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  Speaker 4: in Northern Ireland now that they're discovering that they weren't
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  Speaker 4: as homophobic as everybody thinks they were.
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  Speaker 5: And I mean this one counter example to that which
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  Speaker 5: showed the government making a change and in the public
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  Speaker 5: opinion switching in I sties which were well aware of
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  Speaker 5: as around gay marriage, Yes, the public was against it,
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  Speaker 5: they legalized it, and pretty quickly the public changes tune.
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  Speaker 5: So it's sort of like a statistical based chicken and
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  Speaker 5: egg problem where you're generally correct, and then there's a
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  Speaker 5: few cases where if the government does make a correct
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  Speaker 5: decision on of just making sure one has equal rights,
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  Speaker 5: the public gets on board with it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think more often than not, governments don't make
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  Speaker 4: correct decisions, and not just on gay rights. So it's
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  Speaker 4: amazing whenever they make a good decision, period, but especially
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  Speaker 4: for LGBTQ rights. I'm sure there are black people and
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  Speaker 4: brown people and yellow people still waiting for their good
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  Speaker 4: decisions to come along on the grand scope of things.
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  Speaker 4: Now something that I find humorous. I know it's out
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  Speaker 4: of the United States. I don't know if other countries
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  Speaker 4: are going to follow, But I don't know if you
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  Speaker 4: heard this over there, I sent you the story. There's
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  Speaker 4: a mobile cellular phone company that's launching here in the
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  Speaker 4: US and it's faith based because God believes in cell phones,
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  Speaker 4: and they're going to make it so you cannot receive
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  Speaker 4: LGBTQ content on the network at all. And I know
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  Speaker 4: some people think, well that's cool because hey, you don't
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  Speaker 4: have to have that, you know, you can always choose
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  Speaker 4: to have AT and T or whatever and not have this.
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  Speaker 4: But to me, it smacks of China, you know, it
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  Speaker 4: smacks of blatant censorship and blocking. And again I don't
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  Speaker 4: want to say I'm on the fence about it. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: obviously I won't subscribe to this cell phone company, but
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  Speaker 4: I don't want this to spread. And you know that
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  Speaker 4: they have plans to take it into other countries, and
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  Speaker 4: I don't want this to spread. You know, like in
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  Speaker 4: China you already can't get LGBTQ content on your phone.
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  Speaker 4: In Russia you already can't get LGBTQ content on your phone.
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  Speaker 4: There are many African nations where you cannot get LGBTQ
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  Speaker 4: content on your phone right now because they just block
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  Speaker 4: you know, all internet traffic that with those keywords. So
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  Speaker 4: it's not like this is new. It's new in America.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know in a country with the First Amendment,
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  Speaker 4: how that's gonna fly. But something tells me, given this administration,
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  Speaker 4: no one's going to stop it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I mean, the only argument I could see,
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  Speaker 5: having some legitimacy that they would be making an argument
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  Speaker 5: around if if underlined it is a private company, then
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  Speaker 5: it doesn't necessarily have to abide by that First Amendment, right,
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  Speaker 5: although there could be case argue. But if it's just
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  Speaker 5: general public life people can.
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  Speaker 4: The name of the company slaves me every time I
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  Speaker 4: say it. It's Radiant Mobile.
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  Speaker 7: I can't.
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  Speaker 4: I can't help it. Radiant so your phone has a
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  Speaker 4: heavenly glow. Your phone, your phone will have a heavenly glow.
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  Speaker 5: The most recent example I think of a radiant glow
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  Speaker 5: is when Trump was portraying himself as healing. Oh yeah, no,
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  Speaker 5: suspiciously like John Stewart.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't know how they're going to set up
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  Speaker 4: a Christian phone network. I really don't. I mean technically,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what how they're going to piggyback off
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: other carriers cause there's only so much bandwidth, and how
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: they're actually going to filter. You know, cell phone coverage
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: is one thing, but you get the Internet a different
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: way on your phone, and I'm just not sure how
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: they're going to filter it. But they say they can,
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: and they want faith focused mobile service. I don't know.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: I don't want to speak for christ or yahweh or
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: buddhaer Allah or Mohammed, but the last or Zeus. But
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: the last thing I think would be on God's mind
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: is a Christian mobile phone network because to Jesus, I
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: think he figures prayer is the ultimate. You know, if
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: you want to reach God, all you gotta do.
• 21:00
  Speaker 8: Is pardon no latency, right, I mean, you know, if
• 21:08
  Speaker 8: you want to reach God, you don't need a phone,
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: You just need to pray.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: And there's already and there's already existing filter. I never
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: know in my.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Own no is show.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Now here's my problem with this, Scott Jacobsen coming to
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: me from the Ukraine, journalist with the good Man Project
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: who interviews me every week about this gay week across
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: the globe. Although we tend to interview each other because
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: I'm just that kind of guy. Here's my problem, Scott.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: The Internet, for all of its faults, and it has
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: many one of the things it did do I was
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: there at the beginning. I was with Al Gore when
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: he invented it.
• 22:06
  Speaker 9: Uh.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: One of the things that you know, you're too young
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: to get that joke. Oh my god, Oh I know,
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: It's also it's a period of it depends what the
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: definition of the word is is.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what is lock box? We're going to put it
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: in a lock box. Anyway, he in his campaign he
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: inherited a surplus. Or he would have he won the election,
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: he should have been the president. Uh. I don't want
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: to go into that, but that's a sore spot for me.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: We wouldn't be in this state we're in today had
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Al Gore who won the election, actually been able to
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: take office. But as he said, the word lock box
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: a lot because there was a sert budget surplus. He said,
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: we're going to put that in a lock box, and
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: it just became this campaign thing. It's not a net
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: Live did a whole thing about his lock box. But anyway,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: the one thing the Internet has really been beneficial for
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: making underrepresented communities, giving them a way to connect and
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: giving them a space. I don't want to say a
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: safe space anymore, but a space. And my concern is
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: in these families that are going to get Radiant Mobile,
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: they're going to have children that are going to be
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: LGBTQ who may have no other place to find resources
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: or connection except the Internet. And if their parents are
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: giving them phones that won't find this content, then they're
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: really harming those children, and that's a problem for me.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: And look, I know parents should be able to control
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: what their parents see on their phones. I get it again,
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: I'm countering my own argument because a parent should be
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: able to say what a kid sees on their phone.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: But there were many kids I know they've called me
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: on the radio, who are fifteen sixteen, who know they're gayer,
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: trans or buy and the only place they can find
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: people to not feel alone is the internet. And so
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: I know that these kids will be resourceful and if
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: their phone won't do it, they'll find another way. I
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: understand that nowadays you can't really keep kids from I mean,
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: you know, there's their friends' phones, there's school library. You know,
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: there's ways for them to do it, but it will
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: be harder and so researchers and mental health advocates have
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: long found that online communities and access to LGBTQ plus
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: information can provide critical support for the community, especially those
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: living in unsupportive homes or communities, which we can imagine
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: subscribers of Radiant Mobile are not going to be you know, supportive.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: So access to online LGBTQ resources has been linked to
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: improve mental health, social support, and reduced isolation among queer
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: and transgender young people. And the reason I bring that
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: up is a survey came out yesterday and this is
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: a glos GBAL story. Globally, uh one in ten LGBTQ
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: youth tried to kill themselves. In some demographics and countries,
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: that number goes up to one out of five. And
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: so we're at a time where we're going backwards when
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: it comes to suicide prevention for gay kids. And to
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: have a cell provider that will not allow them to
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: connect with the resources they may need to me means
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: we're going to wind up with more dead kids. And
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: that's a crime that that's a horrible statistic, it's a
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: horrible fact of life. Gay youth suicide is rising again
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: and this isn't going to help that. And so that's
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: my problem. On the surface, I have no problem with it.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: You want to have a Christian phone, have you know?
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: You want a Jesus phone, Have a Jesus phone. But
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: unfortunately they're blocking content that is going to cause some
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: of their children to actually kill themselves if without having
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: access to that content. So that that's my biggest problem.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: Also, the biggest question, how are they gonna identify the
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: content to exclude. Well, if it's fabulous, I don't they
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: have the staff. If it's fabulous, sure yes, if it
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: comes with sparks and literate, it'll naturally, But also is.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: Jesus Wait, sorry, they're obsessed with Jesus' staff. Fyim just saying,
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: he maketh me lay down in green pastors, he put
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: his spirit upon me. Oh hallelujah. I'm saying Christianity, are
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: you kidding me? Roman the desert with twelve men in
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: robes for thirty days, someone's dork and somebody, come on
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: the last supper, did you see any women there?
• 27:00
  Speaker 9: Not?
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Even the server was a woman. It's like, come on.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: SKay, sweaty agitated desert men.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Arab men. So anyway, um, No, Christianity is gay.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: It's the gayest thing around. They wear dresses, they're priests
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: wear dresses. The pope wears Prada. The pope wears Prada
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: and has a Prada dress and has the nerve to
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: denounce trans people. That's always you know.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: That's the two biggest denominations to Orthodoxy and Catholicism.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: Yep. And they wear dresses and denounced trans people. That's
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: really amazing. Okay, speaking of trans I know it's an American,
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: but what happens here tends to spread out. The Trump
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Justice Department is recruiting transphobes that have law degrees and
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: giving them twenty five thousand dollars bonuses because they have
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: declared you and I terrorists. And I'm not making this up.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Anyone with quote a radical gender ideology has been deemed
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: a terrorist and they want these lawyers to go after them.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: And what they deem radical gender ideology is anyone that
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: feels trans people should have access to medical care, should
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: be able to transition, should not have to go through
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: conversion therapy, and can transition as a youth. I believe
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: all of those things. So obviously I'm a radical, you know, terrorist,
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: I guess, because I believe trans people should have the
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: right to do what they need to do with their doctors,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: their mothers, and their God. And the Trump Justice Department,
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: which is busy indicting James call me over a social
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: media post that said eighty six forty seven. Because they
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: have no idea of where the word eighty six came from.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: They're now recruiting transphobes and giving them a twenty five
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: thousand dollars bonus to join, which they won't see, just
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: like the Ice people never did see. The danger here
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: is they're trying to criminalize a letter of LGB. And
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: when we come back, we're going to discuss how if
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: you're going to criminalize one letter, you're not gonna want
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: to stop. They're gonna start criminalizing. So when we come
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: back we'll talk more about that. And it's international ramification.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: If other countries are following us too, you'd be surprised. Scott,
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: it's my guest. He is in Ukraine. If he ducks
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: or anything, you'll know there's a drone.
• 29:25
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• 30:19
  Speaker 4: All right, we are talking with Scott Jacobson, or he's
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: talking with me. We're talking with each other. I'm so
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: glad to we missed a couple of weeks, I was
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: very worried about him, because you know, he's in the
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: middle of a war, you know, not just irrational fears.
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm not being irrational, but I'm worried about him.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: But I am worried about him. This is our last
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: segment with him, and that's good because we only have
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: one story left anyway. But my fear is that if
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: other nations who have been leaning transphobic, Italy comes to mind,
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: and Auntie Jay Italy comes to mind, and other countries
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: see that Trump is successfully prosecuting trans people in this country,
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: that they're going to also start and then, like I said,
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: they're going to keep going for the other letters. And
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: I don't know why Trump is so hell bent. Maybe
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: a transgendered person turned him down once or something. I
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: don't know. Maybe he went to grabber by the pussy
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: and there wasn't one. I don't know, but something bothered
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: him about trans people and he is on this tirade
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: against him. It serves no political purpose. They're one percent
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: of the population. It's just a wedge issue. And MAGA
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: right now is more concerned about putting gas in their
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: big trucks than they are with who's pumping the gas,
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: So I don't know why they're doing this at this point.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: It's just scary to me, not because I'm trans, although
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: I do have many trans friends and I am an ally,
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: but it scares me because it's the whole Well, if
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: they come for them, then what's to stop them from
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: coming for these people and these people and these people,
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: and what's stopping other countries then watching this and using
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: it as a template in their own countries. I don't
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: want Trump to spread any more hatred than he already has,
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: and it appears he's going to, and that we're terrorists.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: Do you feel like a terrorist?
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: I feel totally like a terrorist under that definition.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you are one. Your past columns could be
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: used against you. Good and.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of them.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: Good for your Canadian which we'll find out next month.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: If I am, your country's taking its spend time eleven
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: months now. I applied last June. It's still stuff. I
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: got a month.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: Mister Curney's government has slowed down on that front.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: No, I think they're just debating me. Oh, I don't think.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: I think everyone else is being expertited. I think I
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: think they're just debating me, probably having meetings and hearings
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: we spoke about also what.
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: Well, also could you just get a resident residency? Could
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: you get a work visa? Where are you going straight
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: for like citizenship?
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: Well, my grand my grandparents were born there, so I'm
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: going straight for citizenship.
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: That great. Yeah, No, it's a good passport to it's
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: first strong.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: Yes, exactly. So, after five months in an ice detention center,
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: New York's Alan Moreo has been released and is back
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: with his husband. Morrero, a native of the Cayman Islands,
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: was first attained in November when he was on a
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: routine green card interview in New York City. He was
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: taking the steps to obtain permanent residency. We've heard this
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: story before, but the Department of Homeland Security had dubbed
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: him an illegal alien, saying he had overstated his visa
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: and missed a hearing on his related immigrant status. He
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: did miss one court date because he was in rehab
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: for alcohol addiction. On Sunday, Mare and his husband reunited
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: at the Middle Church in Manhattan's East Village, where they
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: thanked everyone for their support. His freedom was bought they
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: did at gofund me. They bonded him out. He was
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: in for five months, including alligator alcatraz as they call it.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: He is very traumatized by the whole event. I'm sure
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: there'll be a book. And I love that he said
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: five months away from my dogs, because that would be
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: a big deal for me, you know. So here we
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: have someone from the Cayman Islands came to America, did
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: what he was supposed to do, was filling out the
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: paperwork and everything, missed one hearing because he was in rehab,
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: but then went down to correct that and show up
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: and and was of course arrested and taken away for
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: five months. A lot of people around the globe hear
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: these stories and they don't want to come here, you know.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: I mean, we're losing a lot of international business and
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: tourists because of stories like this and people being detained
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: at airport and being turned back at airport. This is
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: not good for America. He can rebrand them.
• 35:18
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• 35:42
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• 35:45
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• 35:48
  Speaker 4: So they've rebranded themselves nice, but what they're doing isn't
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: very nice. And on an international level. What bothers me
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: about this is we are excluding, jailing or preventing really
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: good people from coming to this country, staying in this country,
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: living in this country, naturalizing in this country. We are
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: in an era now where really great people from other
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: countries are avoiding this country. And that's dangerous for America
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: because we are a nation where we are unique. In
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: the Ukraine, you have to be born in Ukraine to
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: be considered Ukrainian. If you or I moved there, we
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: would not We would be a citizen, but we wouldn't
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: be Ukrainian. In America, you're an American no matter where
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: you come from. We're the only country that does that.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: And we're removing that now. They're trying to take it
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: back to if you weren't born here, you're just not
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: an American and that is really dangerous and very bad.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: And I really hate what's going on with this. And
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: I'm glad he is back with his husband, but it
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: sends a very dangerous message internationally, and that is that
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: if you come to America you could be thrown in jail.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: And that's just not a good message to send to
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: the population of the world.
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: Also, I mean, the United States, by the current administration standards,
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: has China as the main competitor, and that main competitor
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: has a much larger talent pool to pull from. So
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: therefore the United States big advantage was that H one
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: B is that H one B visa. If you scare
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: off your genius visa people, you will be less competitive
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: if you're just thinking about your economic bottom wine.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: Yep, all right, that's this gay week in the world,
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: and that's Scott Jacobson out in the world in Ukraine.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: I'm here in beautiful Las Vegas where it's going to
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: be one hundred and four and tomorrow. Joy. But Scott,
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: as always, it's so nice to connect with you, and
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: I'm so glad you're safe, of course, and it is
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: my sincere hope that you stay that way until next
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: week so we can talk again.
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: We'll see you next week, I mean in Germany or Serbia.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: By then, oh, Germany, well, we're moving troops out of there,
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: and so they're not fans of ours right at the moment.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: And Serbia I know nothing about. But now that you're
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: a world accredited wartime journalist, I mean we're gonna play
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: where in the world.
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: Just got Jacobson, that's right, my myka curb in San Diego.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: Yes, all right, Well, I know it's late there, so
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: thank you, and I really look forward to I missed you.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: I missed you, motherfucker. I missed you for several weeks.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: I'm like, where's my Scott.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: It's likewise, and it's all.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: It's just it's a lot.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: It's a lot. It's a lot of work, it's a
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: lot of emotional stuff that's kind of to sit with sometimes.
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: And so I kind of, yeah.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: I didn't want to. I didn't want to bring this
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: up because it's late. You could just be tired. But
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: you seem a little heavy today, you know, you seem
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: a little heavy, you know.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: So I hope whatever comment again today too, you know.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: So that's definitely I'm being observed that I'm not seeing
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: myself today. So thank you very much for sort of
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: you know, make sure too.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: It's not a bad thing, man, I mean, it's it's
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: a human thing. It just seems like you've seen and
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: done a lot of late that might be weighing a
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: little bit on you. And who wouldn't. I mean, come on,
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: you're in a war zone. I mean, you know you're
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: not supposed to be doing a musical down the street.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: You know you're you know you're in a war zone.
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: So sure, all right? When I go on trips with
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: me one and want to my comment refrain is you know,
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: you know good, I'm just a person. Yeah, I will.
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: You know there will be times when you know, I'm
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: just I just need a moment.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, And I'm sensing that now, and I
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: just hope whatever it is, I hope I have breathed
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: some sunshine into your day and curl glitter at you.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: You can know exactly all right, darling, I will see
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: you next week. Don't get hurt or anything, Thank you much.
• 40:12
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  Speaker 9: It's broadcasting from a completely different point of view. Yours
• 40:42
  Speaker 9: listen daily to the corell cast on your favorite streaming
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  Speaker 9: service