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Shakur vs. Teofimo: Who Will Be The Next Big Star? · The Mixed Company Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In this corner, standing at six foot five, weight class unknowns,
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  Speaker 1: but hailing from the city of Sands.
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  Speaker 2: Put your hands together for Jamison will and in this
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  Speaker 2: then in.
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  Speaker 1: At five foot ten, weighing in at pound and coming
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  Speaker 1: to us from his super secret bunker with no AC
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  Speaker 1: in Tucson, Arizona. Put your hands together for Luis Montemao.
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome to another of Miss w podcast of ors.
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  Speaker 1: On one half of the show, I'm Jamison, joined by
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  Speaker 1: the Luis as always Louise.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on, man, Jamison? I am so excited to
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  Speaker 2: be here recording episode thirty five. Before we get into
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  Speaker 2: anything else, I just gotta do a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: recap from an event I went to last week. I
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  Speaker 2: told you about it, and it was the coolest thing
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  Speaker 2: that's ever happened to me. I got invited, well, the
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  Speaker 2: show got invited to a media day in Phoenix for
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  Speaker 2: the Navarete versus Nunyaz fight happening in February twenty eighth.
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  Speaker 2: So if you're not if you're just listening to us
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  Speaker 2: to us on audio, you can check out our YouTube channel.
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  Speaker 2: I got some pictures I'm gonna pop up here. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was just a media luncheon. Get in there. The
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  Speaker 2: fighters are there, sorry, the main event fighters are Thereunez,
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  Speaker 2: but also friend of the show, Trinia Choa was at
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  Speaker 2: the event. He's gonna be fighting on the twenty eighth.
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  Speaker 2: We interviewed him before. Got another guy named Jordan Martinez,
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  Speaker 2: also from from Arizona, and it was so cool. It
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  Speaker 2: was just the coolest thing to be able to be
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  Speaker 2: in that mix. You know, I'm showing some behind the
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  Speaker 2: scenes pictures that I took, but I got in there
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  Speaker 2: to actually interview Navarete Nunez and got some video. By
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  Speaker 2: the time this drops, I'll have a mini episode up
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  Speaker 2: on our YouTube of the event and you know the
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  Speaker 2: interview he's there, so uh yeah, and we've got a
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  Speaker 2: picture here of the five fighters that were at this event,
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  Speaker 2: and it was it was so cool. I got a
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  Speaker 2: like there were other people there were legit journalists you
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  Speaker 2: know with your publications and you know, other podcasts, TV shows,
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  Speaker 2: and it was just awesome, so huge. Thanks to Emily Gerden,
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  Speaker 2: also friend of the show, for extending the invite. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: she got to me last week and said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: come on down. We're happy to have you. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, man, I didn't expect to get to this
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  Speaker 2: point with the show because I'm just a regular dude,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 3: But it was.
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  Speaker 2: It was awesome. So you've done some of these events before,
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  Speaker 2: so I mean, what's your vibe on it? Because I
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  Speaker 2: just thought it was amazing.
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  Speaker 1: It all depends on what the five is. So vin's
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  Speaker 1: a serious like if it's a mega fight, it's a
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  Speaker 1: mega fight. You got all kinds of people in there
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  Speaker 1: from all of them backgrounds. It is what it is.
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  Speaker 1: You get it when you fit in, You interview who
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  Speaker 1: you can, and you go on about your day. You
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  Speaker 1: made the best of the situation, right. So the big
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  Speaker 1: events we have here in Vegas you get. You if
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  Speaker 1: you have a chance to interview a former boxer or
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  Speaker 1: a trainer or a celebrity, you do it, and then
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  Speaker 1: whatever content you get, you make it work for what
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  Speaker 1: you get. You went to a more smaller event to
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  Speaker 1: where you kind of pick and choose who you want
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  Speaker 1: to interview, what question you have and whatnot, and the
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  Speaker 1: bigger events you don't have that.
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  Speaker 3: You gotta have the freestyle because you don't know who
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  Speaker 3: you gonna get.
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  Speaker 1: You might get winky, right, you might get an old judge,
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  Speaker 1: You might get an old fight promoter, you might get
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  Speaker 1: a sleb it out of the box.
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  Speaker 3: It just depends.
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  Speaker 1: But it's good to have that experience because all the
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  Speaker 1: events are dope, whether it's a smaller event or big event,
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  Speaker 1: they're all adult because it's boxing. We love boxing, so
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  Speaker 1: being able to speak boxing is always cool with people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was told a couple people there and everybody
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  Speaker 2: was super friendly mine you. I said, you know, it
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  Speaker 2: was my first media event, so people actually gave me
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  Speaker 2: some advice. I said, all right, you know, talk to
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  Speaker 2: this guy. He'll actually you know, introduce the fighter to you.
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  Speaker 2: Like I had people bring me up and say, come on,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's your turn chat with Chat with nunia Is,
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  Speaker 2: and you just kind of wait in line, and occasionally
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  Speaker 2: they would say the promoter would say, all right, we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna do a face off, so all the photographers get
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  Speaker 2: in here and just take pictures. All right, we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: do all the fighters, you know, in line take pictures.
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  Speaker 2: So everybody just crowds up, and it was I didn't
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  Speaker 2: have to like, you know, fight through forty people to
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  Speaker 2: get there. You know, there's probably less than forty people
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  Speaker 2: total the entire thing, including promo people, photographers, all that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So it was probably the best of all worlds because
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  Speaker 2: it is a legitimate you know, legitimate fighter is legitimate
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  Speaker 2: event through matchrom boxing and not some no offense to
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  Speaker 2: anybody fighting locally, but you know, it's not like a
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  Speaker 2: like a riggy big fight in the warehouse, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a smoker or anything.
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  Speaker 1: So definitely definitely working together. It looked organized for the
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  Speaker 1: most part. But it's always good to be able to
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  Speaker 1: have like that in your own backyard. Like so people
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  Speaker 1: have to travel to those things, so having in your
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  Speaker 1: own backyard is even better.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely so a million thanks to Emily Boxing on
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  Speaker 2: social media. Make sure you give her a follow. Thanks
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  Speaker 2: to Triny for talking to us again. And Triny, this
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  Speaker 2: is actually his biggest boxing event ever, so I'm very
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  Speaker 2: excited to see the actual fight on February twenty eighth
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  Speaker 2: Desert Diamond Arena in Glendale, Arizona. Definitely check it out
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  Speaker 2: if you're in the area, and if not, no matter what,
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  Speaker 2: you gotta watch it even on TV because always puts
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  Speaker 2: on a show for sure. Cool. So yeah, so let's uh,
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  Speaker 2: let's dive into today's episode. We actually have something very
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  Speaker 2: special for you all today. You know, we've been reviewed
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  Speaker 2: pro boxers, journalists, we have interview promoters Al Bernstein, the
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  Speaker 2: voice of professional boxing. But we never forget where we're
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  Speaker 2: coming from. Where we come from, we never forget our roots.
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  Speaker 2: We are sports podcasters of the people. So I actually
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  Speaker 2: wanted to bring a buddy of mine onto the show
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  Speaker 2: to do like a roundtable discussion. This guy, he's a
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  Speaker 2: friend that I've known for like kind of at least
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  Speaker 2: ten years. We've known each other from you know, the
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  Speaker 2: craft beer scene in Tucson, and I'm sure he won't
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  Speaker 2: object to me saying like, this guy's nobody. He's just
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  Speaker 2: like buddy of mine that loves talking boxing. So we
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  Speaker 2: want to have somebody that just loves the sport as
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  Speaker 2: much as we do. So welcome to the ring, mister
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  Speaker 2: Tony Zamanano.
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  Speaker 4: How's it going, Hell, you guys, how's it going? Thanks
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  Speaker 4: for having me on.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate you being here. You know, you're the first
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  Speaker 2: of this type of game. So, like I said, round table,
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  Speaker 2: you know, just kind of free flow and discussion, and
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  Speaker 2: we're excited to get into it. But first, just so
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  Speaker 2: that people know, you know your bona fytes, tell us
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  Speaker 2: about your love of boxing, where it came from? And
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  Speaker 2: how long you've been a boxing fan?
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  Speaker 5: Man, as long as I can remember, you know, growing
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  Speaker 5: up with you know, the son of a Mexican immigrant
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  Speaker 5: here in southern Arizona, growing up in the Jula Traves days,
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  Speaker 5: the late Mike Tyson days, the Marca days, watching Paciao fight,
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  Speaker 5: having family in Tijuana and seeing Edique Morales throwing down
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  Speaker 5: or Mato metal Pie doing his thing. You know, a
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  Speaker 5: Tucson native now, you know, just all these Mexican fighters
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  Speaker 5: or something that ran rich in my home. You know,
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  Speaker 5: I remember sitting around a twenty four inch tube TV
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  Speaker 5: watching uh, you know, some of those early HBO pay
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  Speaker 5: per views uh, and and just sitting in a family setting,
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  Speaker 5: you know, all losing our minds over boxing. So I'm
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  Speaker 5: just a dude who grew up around it, grew up
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  Speaker 5: appreciating it, and was fortunate enough to see some good
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  Speaker 5: fighters along the way.
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  Speaker 2: As the kids say today, you do ball. I got
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  Speaker 2: to ask pay per view fights with your family paid
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  Speaker 2: for them or illegal cable box you can say now
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  Speaker 2: with the statute of limitation.
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  Speaker 4: No, we paid for them.
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  Speaker 5: Man. We predate the bootleg fire stick, you know, so
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  Speaker 5: we had no choice but to pay for them. But
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  Speaker 5: it was a copeaca, right, everyone was contributing those ten bucks.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously pay per views didn't cost what they do today.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, man, I've just been around in my whole
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  Speaker 5: life and something I always just loved watching as a
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  Speaker 5: sports fan.
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  Speaker 2: It's awesome. Do you remember one particular fight that really
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  Speaker 2: got you hooked on the sport or just generally the vibe?
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  Speaker 5: The vibe for sure, It's definitely not one moment, right,
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  Speaker 5: but there were a lot of great rivalries. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: seeing the end of not the end, but the tail
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  Speaker 5: end of Hulus Jravis's career, the passing of the torch
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  Speaker 5: to the Mexican American kid, right, the golden boy oscar Laoya,
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  Speaker 5: and just seeing those transitions as fighters. But I would
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  Speaker 5: say my favorite boxing moment is actually several moments, and
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  Speaker 5: I would say those those Barreda Morales frights. That trilogy
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  Speaker 5: is some of the best boxing on tape in my
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  Speaker 5: lifetime in my opinion.
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  Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I'm glad you mentioned Ascadelia being the Mexican
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  Speaker 2: American person taking on the torch. I gotta admit this,
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  Speaker 2: I kind of messed this up last week. I was interviewed.
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  Speaker 2: When I was interviewing at the word of the nun
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  Speaker 2: Yeas from Sinaloa, I was talking about how we have
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  Speaker 2: maybe less boxing starts than we did back in my day.
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  Speaker 2: I said, you know the Mexican names like Oscar Laya,
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  Speaker 2: and I commented, you can tell. He kind of went hmmm.
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  Speaker 2: An answered because I know that man is from Mixiko.
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  Speaker 2: He definitely probably is not a fan of Deloya. But
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  Speaker 2: that was I was nervous. It was my first event,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 5: No, that's an easy mistake to make. I also think,
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  Speaker 5: you know, when you're in the circuit, you know a
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  Speaker 5: lot of the guys that maybe even you and I
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  Speaker 5: and Jamison don't know yet. You know, as much as
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  Speaker 5: we watch, as much as we're fans, those guys are
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  Speaker 5: in the thick of it, so they know who's who out.
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  Speaker 2: There, absolutely absolutely, So uh, you know, apologies to anyone
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  Speaker 2: who's any Mexican fighter from Mexico who hates yeah for equaiting,
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  Speaker 2: but not you know, hey, hey, uh, we're both Mexican
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  Speaker 2: American as well, so we were. We support the Laya's
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  Speaker 2: rain in the in that era. So cool. So let's
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  Speaker 2: to get into it. Guys, biggest story coming up for
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  Speaker 2: this weekend. If you're listening to the episode when it
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  Speaker 2: comes out this Saturday at thirty first. Probably the biggest
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  Speaker 2: event in the last few months that it was announced
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  Speaker 2: Shakhor Stephenson versus Telfy Molopez super lightweight fight. I want
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  Speaker 2: to ask, you know, let's let's start with that. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: since we'll start with our guest Tony, what do you
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  Speaker 2: think this means for the winner and you know, them
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  Speaker 2: potentially being the new face of the sport? What's the
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  Speaker 2: vibe here?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 5: I have a hard time at face of the sport right,
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  Speaker 5: especially with these guys kind of I don't want to
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  Speaker 5: say just starting at one forty. They've had a few
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  Speaker 5: fights at one, but to me it boxing is so
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  Speaker 5: flavor of the month now, right, we don't have a
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  Speaker 5: face of the sport right now.
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  Speaker 4: We can argue.
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  Speaker 5: That's been that, we can argue about a couple other guys.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's more about who's poising themselves to be
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  Speaker 5: the face of the sport, but more importantly, who's the
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  Speaker 5: face of this division?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 5: We have a great I think the most entertaining division
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  Speaker 5: in boxing the last two years was the lightweight division.
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  Speaker 5: These guys are getting older, they're stepping into super lightweight
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  Speaker 5: and now we're going to see who's who, right, We're
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  Speaker 5: going to see if these powers back a punch, is
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  Speaker 5: it Trakour and can you take on this defensive elite
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  Speaker 5: technician Mayweather style and prove that not getting hit is
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  Speaker 5: as important as hitting or is it more than to
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  Speaker 5: a female guy who rides the emotional wave, who's going
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  Speaker 5: to ride the crowd and have those moments and hopefully
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  Speaker 5: collection of moments and prove that the Lomachenko fight and
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  Speaker 5: that win wasn't just lightning in a bottle, but he
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  Speaker 5: really is that dude. So I'm excited to see who
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  Speaker 5: wins the fight. I got my theories about it, but
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  Speaker 5: I think it's more about who's the face of this
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  Speaker 5: division than giving them the title.
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  Speaker 4: Who's the face of boxing right now?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, definitely, And we're gonna make official predictions at
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  Speaker 2: the end, So at the end of the segment, so
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  Speaker 2: save those and don't don't be a coward, say with
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  Speaker 2: your chest, but we'll hold it off. Yeah for sure, Jamison,
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  Speaker 2: same thing for you, you know, kind of your thoughts,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that's that's a really good interesting point. That
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  Speaker 2: Tony made you know the face of boxing? Can that's
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  Speaker 2: that's such a big question. What is the winner going
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  Speaker 2: to be? Like, Like, what are they gonna look forward
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  Speaker 2: to after this fight?
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  Speaker 1: So it's a great question because the face of boxing
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  Speaker 1: isn't just what happens in a ring. It's as culmination
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  Speaker 1: of a lot of things, right, It's a rental performance,
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  Speaker 1: it's popularity, it's how much you're heard and seen from
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  Speaker 1: in general.
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  Speaker 3: It's a bigger than just the fight itself.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Shakur Stevenson is a guy that likes to be outside.
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  Speaker 1: He likes doing press, likes doing interviews, he likes being active.
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  Speaker 1: If he wins, and this propels him to take your
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  Speaker 1: fights going forward as active as he is in and
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  Speaker 1: out the ring. It's better for the sport because now
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  Speaker 1: you have a guy that's kind of king of the
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  Speaker 1: hill in the sense face of the sport is kind
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  Speaker 1: of like I said, I agree with Tony with that.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like flavor of the month, like you get
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  Speaker 1: every month. You can make an argument for whomever, but
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  Speaker 1: I think king of the hill is probably a better
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  Speaker 1: term to use because now we have a guy. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: this guy won fair square. This guy's also undefeated, and
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  Speaker 1: he hasn't really ducked anybody, so there's no one that
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  Speaker 1: he's avoided or conveniently avoided or like that he thought
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  Speaker 1: who he wanted to fight. Everybody agreed upon it. He
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  Speaker 1: won fair square. This guy that's the new up and
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  Speaker 1: coming guy that you, like Tony said, can eventually be
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  Speaker 1: facing the sport. But we can't get out face of
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  Speaker 1: the sport for this winning one big time fight. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's a bit much. However, I think you can
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  Speaker 1: work towards it. I'll say you can be king of
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  Speaker 1: the hill where that you're the guy that everybody's trying
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  Speaker 1: to get to. I think that's kind of a bigger thing.
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  Speaker 1: Because ja Kirk also move up and wait, eventually, there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of things with him. He's very young. He's
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  Speaker 1: still young all things considered, so there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: possibilities with him. So him winning this fight opens up
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  Speaker 1: a big bag of possibilities. So I think fas the
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  Speaker 1: thing with he a femo. If he were to win,
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  Speaker 1: which is like a three to one upset at the books,
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  Speaker 1: that would be interesting because he's active. Is that maybe
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  Speaker 1: not as active a screwby he's also active that would
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  Speaker 1: be interesting though, because I don't know he could sell
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  Speaker 1: a fight, but I don't know how much buzz it
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  Speaker 1: is he has a name with him. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if he can sell a fight with just him being
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  Speaker 1: the headliner. He's like he'd have to have either a
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  Speaker 1: co made event or someone else that is tied to him.
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  Speaker 1: But either way, I think we're in for a great
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  Speaker 1: fight on Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, And for if anybody's tuning in who is not
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  Speaker 2: as familiar with both of these guys, I was just
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  Speaker 2: thinking last night, really that tail Fema Lopez outside of
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  Speaker 2: the ring in interviews, he's like the closest you could
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  Speaker 2: get to is like Deadpool as a person, Like he's
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't shut up. He can be very annoying. Sometimes
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  Speaker 2: he's really funny and he gets me and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: son of a bitch, that was funny. But he's also
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  Speaker 2: runs it now too much, and sometimes he has said
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  Speaker 2: some racist or racially tricky shit that like, we don't
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  Speaker 2: know that we want him running his mouth too much
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  Speaker 2: because he's the kind who just doesn't shut up and
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  Speaker 2: he'll just say stupid things and just make himself look bad.
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  Speaker 2: Shaquor seems to you know, not just love the sport,
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  Speaker 2: but knows his history, uh, and just seems to be
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  Speaker 2: better on camera on Mike. You know, he's very braggadocious,
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  Speaker 2: but like in a fun way and him too, like
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  Speaker 2: he carries himself in a way that kind of is funny.
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  Speaker 2: Not laughing at him, but you know, he's got a
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  Speaker 2: sense of humor, he's got his style. If we're talking
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  Speaker 2: about what it's gonna look like outside the ring, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. The Tao's like the best person to kind
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  Speaker 2: of bet our money on being like the ambassador for
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  Speaker 2: boxing that we will say that. You know, I think
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  Speaker 2: definitely as long as Shakur puts on a good fight.
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  Speaker 2: His biggest thing has always been that he's quote boring,
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  Speaker 2: boring fighter.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: We did see a great performance against Williams Sebela. I
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  Speaker 2: think he's got the skills. I think he's got the potential,
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  Speaker 2: he's got the tools, he's got the talent. As I
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  Speaker 2: always love to say, Uh, I would I think it
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  Speaker 2: would be better for the future of the sport, for
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: new fandom and for ambassadorship if Shakur won and became
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: King of the Hill. I'll say that. But in terms
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: of setting up what's coming next h This past weekend
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: we had Raymond Urtaya fighting Andy Kruz. He won his
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: fight on Saturday in Vegas, and he straight up set
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: at the end I want the winner of tail versus Chakur,
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: So you know, it was a great fight. Andy Kruz
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: definitely did a lot of good work in the ring,
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: but I think it rightfully went to Murataya. Yeah. I
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: mean he's not a guy that's in a lot of
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: the conversations. In fact, I sound fight once and like
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: not somebody that I followed, Tony, are you familiar with
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Mataya as a fighter? Like? Have you with him some?
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: And that was kind of my point right where he's
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: kind of a high risk, low reward guy. Let's face it,
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: boxing is about marketability, right, we talked about it with
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: the face of boxing conversation here somewhat familiar. I think
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: he's the type of guy doesn't get the opportunity that deserves.
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: He kind of has to force those opportunities because I
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: think the name isn't catching yet, despite being a good
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: fighter who might be worthy of the chances, I don't
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: think I don't think people are willing to even consider
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: him a B side.
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: He might be closer to d or E with the
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: casual boxing fan.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: So can a guy like that get to, you know,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: start him if he does beat tail Or Shikor or
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: is it, like I guess, I'm kind of curious, like
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: what leads the guy into that next level? Or are
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: they kind of destined to always be a d or E.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: I just don't know either of y'all. Are your thoughts
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: out here?
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: Tamason, what do you think you're guess? You gotta go
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: first again? Like I said, he's the kind of dude
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: that he's not just going to get his chance, so
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: he has to be loud. He's the kind of guy
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: that has to have that big moment. I can a
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: lot to tell Fimo against Loma, right, you kind of
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: gotta have that moment that puts you on people's radar
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: because I think if you ask most casual boxing fans,
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: they have no idea who Raymond Wudetaya is right now.
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: Smart of him to call out the winner of this
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: fight from like the political side of boxing. I think
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: it's a dangerous move stylistically because there's a good chance
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: he doesn't get anywhere with either guy. Again, a lot
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: left to be seen there, but a smart move by
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: him to call out the next guy. Hopefully he gets
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: his shot because I think he's worthy.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Well, James, I guess.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, shut it up.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I was gonna I was gonna rephrase the question and
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: be like, not specifically from Mura, because yeah, I don't
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: know how much you know about him or whether you
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: followed him or off. But somebody like that who is
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: a very skilled fighter who wants to get his name
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: out there, what did they need to do to get
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: to the next level and to become a household name?
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Like what are people's options in that kind of mindset?
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: So there's two things you gotta do.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: One, why Tom said, you gotta be loud, almost obnoxious
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: to get the attention of whoever they did it. That's
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: the first thing. And also you gotta take less money.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: You got to be attractive on the business side and
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: take a little bit less money. Basically, the basically a
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: proven fight that says where if you win, obviously the
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: reward is a lot greater going beyond, but at the
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: same time, when they go to evaluate who's able to
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: fight or the cannons of the fighting, and you're cut
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: less than others. That helps you out and trying to
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: get that fight. But that being said, the most important
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: thing is probably being loud and I'm notious and trying
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: to keep on pestering for that fight. You got to
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: create some demand for it. That's the biggest demand. Because
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: here's the thing. Let's say, from everything we're it's like
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: we all think squer is gonna win on all. So
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: let's like, yeah, right, so let's say, what's the next fight?
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: Like there's no automatic fight for him.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: At no one obvious right right exactly, So that's where
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna come up from. You gotta make that. If
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: you're someone also get in, you got to make that
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: the next fight. And how you gotta do what you
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: gotta do it.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Well, let's not forget, uh Scourt moved up like this
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: is a super light may Sugar's last night was lightweight,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: so he's already made him move up to another division.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: And so I mean, I don't know if there are actually,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: off the top of my head, I don't know if
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: either of you know super lightweights that are sort of
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: have hype right now in the rankings. I should have
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: done better research. Any guys that you can think.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: Of for I mean, HAINI right if he if he's
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: active at one forty, I think Hane is a dude
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: to talk about.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: Richardson Hitchins. I mean, we just have the Arnold Barbosa fight.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: These are guys that are all right there, and I
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: think boxing's weight classes are so they're within reach.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: Is there anyone active at one forty? I don't know.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: Are the guys that can fight at one forty? I
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: think for sure?
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, Hitchins is my guy. I think Hitchins is a
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: guy where give him the opportunity. He's a very dangerous
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: guy in the ring, and I give him a chance.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: For anybody, I appreciate about it. I mean, here's the thing.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I think when you have a guy that athletic, that
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: fast and that confident, I get him action. I'm not
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: saying he's gonna beat anyone. I'm gonna say you got action.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: When you got a guy that is that hungry, he's skilled,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: he's young, and he wants He's not from what I've
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: seen from him, he's not afraid of anything, like there's
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: no fear, there's you know, so I can from a
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: guy that, especially when you're trying to take someone else's belt,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: when you're trying to take someone's Oh, there's a certain
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: way you have to go about that. I don't think
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: you can casually do that. You got to take that shit,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: so beat him. Yes, he has a personality in the
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: bravado to do that. Will he do that? That remain
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: obviously that's a whole different question. But on the house
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I looking in, that's a guy can see snatching a
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: belt when he's underwolved in the situation.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Fair he definitely has the skill. I mean, you know,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: whatever we've seen. We haven't seen a lot from him yet,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: but what we have seen, I mean, the skills are there.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: As long as he keeps developing and keep taking big fights,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: he could potentially be King of the Hill going forward.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I do appreciate that that phrasing there, Jamison. Well, we
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: can't talk about people moving up in wait and being
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: super light without discussing Keyshawn Davis. He is back in
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: the ring for the first time after his uh coming
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: in a little extra chunky. I guess ed what Dilla said,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: does I'm gonna start with you Jamison on this one,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: because you and I had a really good discussion about it.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Whether we feel he we're gonna forgive him come back.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: How do you feel about him returning to the ring?
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Going up? And wait? He did say he had a
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: trouble making lightweight and that was, you know, one of
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: his excuses. We'll call it that. But are we ready
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: to welcome him back in the fold or are we
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: still better.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Were welcoming back? But man, I got it.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I need a performance to welcome him back. I need
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: a dominant performance. I don't need no skating by I
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: only need know lackluster shit. I need a real dominant Hey,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: my bad, guys, I got y'all going forward performance.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: If we get that, all is forgiven. For the most part.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: The screwed up the hometown event not a big fan
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: of that's a whole different source of different day. But
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: in terms of getting back on track, keeping the main
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: thing the main thing, and become the best boxers you
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: can be, I can respect the dominant performance, getting back
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: on track and moving forward as a boxer.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: I can support that.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: If it's a split decision or who damn if you lose,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I can't.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: That's something I nah. So me.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: My thing is this, you gotta mess up happens to
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: the best of us. You gotta gotta get better from that.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: So if he gets better from that, it's all good.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Well, and the man has proven that he's a very
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: skilled fighter who can dominate. I mean the fight before
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: he messed up his homegun show was against Dennis barrencheck
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: for worst brown you know, uh body shop Settisbury chick
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: didn't get up. Amazing fight. Now, remember that was on
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Valentine's Day last year, twenty twenty five, because I was
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: in Austin checking that out. So that was a great
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: night and I was stoked. I was like, this could
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: be the next guy. You know. Of course, what happened happened.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: But what about you, Tony? Are you? Were you a
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: fan of Kyshon Davis? And do you think that he's
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: gonna he's gonna earn his way back into our races?
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Good races?
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: How many fighters have we seen that lack, you know,
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: the discipline to get where they need to be, right,
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: guys who.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: Got what it takes. They passed the eye test, but
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: they kind of it kind of seems like they don't
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: give a shit, right, And I think he fits that
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: mold of that kind of dude. I think this is
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: more of a re entry fight.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: It's kind of a get right fight more than a
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: showcase for him. I think he has to prove himself
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: a little bit. I mean, Ortiza isn't a nobody either, right,
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, he's not going to be the most exciting fighter,
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: but he is going to be a good fighter to
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: fight to to kind of regroup, remeasure and and see
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: where he Sean Davis is. I hope, I hope I
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: see some good stuff from him, because I think he's
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: a worthy fighter, but it does take discipline to compee
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: at the highest levels.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Well that's a good point. If he is just coming
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: back to see where he's at, does that mean that
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: people aren't going to be as excited Jamison? I mean
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: if he's if he does win not handily and doesn't
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: kind of you know, get him out of there and
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: take care of business. Or is he going to have
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: trouble coming back after this, because this should be his comeback.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Are we gonna then is he going to fade back
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: into obscurity.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: It won't be obscurity because he's still a name, but
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: it'd be better off for him to have. Remember, he
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: was on the verge of headlining events, so when you're
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: on that trajectory, you gotta do whatever it takes to
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: stay with that. The moment something happens to where you
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: get knocked down a peg or two, you got to
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: be very careful because you either stay at that peg
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: or you can't drop lower.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: So with him, to me, it's more of the how
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: do you look this fight? First of all?
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Are you in shape? That's the first thing. Are you
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: struggling you come? Are you serious about making weight? Are
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: you serious about your craft? This should be a like, okay,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: this is why I expected. Let's take your business.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Move on.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: If he's struggling or if it's bad, then yeah, it's
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: gonna be the the third fight on the car instead
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: of being the second fight on the car.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: That's the thing with him, So that's what I'm looking
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: to see.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Like Tony mentioned, very skillful, skills is not an issue,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: not an issue at all. It's the mindset, it's the discipline,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: it's the mentals. If those things are straight, you'll probably
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: be okay and he'll be able to co lead events
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: going forward. But if not, then that's a totally different discussion.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: And on the cards that we see with all the fights,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: he's not gonna be in the first two lines.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Won't happen.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: He's gonna be the three thirty guy, but he gonna
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: be in there. He's gonna be on the third or
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: fourth line, and that ain't good.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: He's what I call a sunset guy.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: See there, you're gonna see.
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: Get the show starting for you. But he ain't who
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: we're here to see. If he dominates, I'll be impressed. Right,
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: if it's a true domination, i'd be impressed. If he
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: stops him flat out, i'd be a little shocked. I
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: don't think he's there yet. But again, for his sake
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: and for the sake of boxing, I hope, I hope
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: he does what he's supposed to do and gets a
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: little gets some of those nine hours versus those sunset hours.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Well, and just for the record, you know, I'm a
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: little bit less down on it speaking as a fat
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: guy who's only ever sparred and never done anything professional
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: and never had to make weight. You know, him coming
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: over weight, Yes, that's not good. It's definitely bad. He
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: disrespected his hometown, the sport, et cetera. You know, period
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: and a paragraph return return. What I'm saying is that
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean he's like a fat guy who just got
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: off the couch after chugging a fucking beer, you know
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: what I mean? Like, the man is still in shape
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: and ready to fight. He just picked the wrong weight
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: class and he should have spoken up beforehand. I'm not
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: making excuses, but you know, sometimes you just can't stay
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: at that level and he should have been a little
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: bit more aware that he should have moved up earlier
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: before challenging Della Sentos. So, you know, I guess maybe
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: y'all have a different opinion in terms of historically that
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: you know, that's a more egregious fuck up than I
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: think it is.
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: Boxing is too unforgiving in my opinion, you only get
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: so many shots, and if you mess one up, I
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: think it can be career ending.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: In my opinion, I think it's that serious.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: And I agree. I guess. I'm also saying that maybe
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: we're a little too harsh on these people.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: That are but the industry is too harsh on them.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: That's fair, that's fair. But we can we can be
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: the voices of change, damn it.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: We could be the guys that the guys who say
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: it's okay to be fed them.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the sport is what it is.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: Can I remember the sports like commission based business.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Right, it's basically like hey, sink or swim, and there's
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: always somebody else coming up to replace you. As a boxer,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: there's always somebody if you don't get your ship right,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: there's somebody else.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: That can put no spot. For the most part.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Now, the super super leakue guys, they can do whatever
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: they want to an extent outside of breaking the law actually,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: like we're seeing with Tay Davis, but everybody else if
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: you know, for the most part, if you're elite, elite,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: you can get away with almost anything. But if you're
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: a regular guy or above average guy, you could be
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: your vice. Like they're not playing that.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: That's fair. So are any of us expecting to get
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Keshan Davis loss, whether it's knockout or by decision whatever,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: And do any of us think that he's just not
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: gonna be cut out for this for this one fight.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: I think it's hard to bounce back from. I think
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: it's really hard to bounce back from for him. Again,
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: you only get so many opportunities. He had the recent
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: slip up with wait, can he do it? Yes, But
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: it's a much harder road ahead if he struggles here.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Well, Actually my question was do you think that he's
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: gonna lose or win this fight in your opinion?
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: Oh my apologeticiz I said, if he loses, he still
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: get the opportunity. I think he wins. I think he wins.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: I'm waiting to see how convincing the win is, but
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: I do think he wins.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Sure, And that's where I wanted to start with Jamesie
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: You've said, you've said before you can win ugly and
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: that's still win. But yeah, do you think he's actually
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: gonna pull it off?
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I think he wins. My biggest thing is how does
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: he look? And also the shape, like are you taking
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: their conditioning seriously? As after what happened last fight? Right,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: you can't come in out of shape two fights in
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: a row because now you're just not. That shows a
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: whole different thing and that's not good. So hopefully he
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: comes to tip top shape, focus, ready to go, and
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: if we see that come performance on Saturday, it's like,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: all right, cool, we can you know, we can chalk
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: it up kind of move on. You're ready for the
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: next big fight for him. But if not, then that's
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: an a whole different lot of questions because we don't have
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys that can not necessarily coat like
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: lead a fight card, but the average boxing fan knows
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: that they have belief in for the future. We don't
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: have a lot of those guys right now, so he's
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: one of them actually that actually has a bright, bright future,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: so we can kind of need him to figure shit
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: out and get back on track.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: Is only valuable if we care about the undercard. Am
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: I paying for one fight or my pain to see
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: a few dudes go at it?
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Damn good point, damn good point. Uh yeah, And I'm
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: a little bit more, you know, kind of optimistic because
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: he did Kishan did move up and wait, he didn't say, well,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: I'm going to try to hit lightweight again after not
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: making weight last time, so that would be stupid. I'd
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: be like, what are you doing? But you know, learn
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: from that and uh you know again, you know, I
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: am a fan of his I'm a fan of his
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: boxing style and had a good time in his fight,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: so I do have that emotional attachment. I do want
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: him to be back on top and you know, live
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: up to that potential. So I'll admit that is my bias.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: But yeah, cool, So we're gonna talk about something else
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: happening on this Saturday. But I want to get all
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: three of us on the record, and we're going to
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: start with our guest here. What is the official prediction
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: for Shakor Stevenson versus tail Fe Malopez? Who's winning?
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: And how can I get an either or here? Though?
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: I just got to pick one because I got to.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: How about this? How about this? You can give it
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: either or, but then you have to go on record
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: and say with your chest and then if you're wrong,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: if you're wrong, this tight, you can't come back and
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: say my bad.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: I think here's what I think. I think.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: I think we're gonna have like another defensive prowess.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: Keep in mind he's had Bud and Mayweather in his
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: corner right and in his ears, so that's a lot
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: of defensive influencer now, but can throw it the best
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: of them. I wonder what's in Shakur's ear going into
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: this fight, But he is who he is, right and
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: he's built himself in a certain way up until this point.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: I can see this being a seven five eight four
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: kind of defensive, boring fight for Shakur, and if TiO
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: challenges him, I can see TiO having some moments and
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: getting that big spark. If he can get Shakurda to
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: get frustrated and fight outside of his style, because that's
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: who Tao is, right, He's gonna talk trash, he's gonna
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: talk shit.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: He gonna try to test you. Can he do it?
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: Can he hit a guy who's really good at not
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: getting hit? I think ultimately Shakour walks away with the
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: w and and I think I think he'll outgas and
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: outlast Tilfi Molpa in this fight goes the distance or no,
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: I yeah, it's such of course Stevens in fight, they
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: all go to the distance.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Jamison, Yeah, I'm learning the same way.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I'm leaning one sixteen one twelve, but a very close
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: one sixteen one twelve where you could argue that couple
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: rounds could go either way.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Like That's where I'm at with it.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be very defensive fight, like Tony said,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: but also it's gonna be a fight to where it's
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: gonna be.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be a chess match.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be a lot of adjusting, a lot of
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of maneuvering mid round, you know,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: mid fight, et cetera, et cetera. I think she curves
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: the better overall fire. At this age of his career,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I think he can also score more points.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: I'm willing.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I'm looking to see how aggressive he is, because the
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: biggest thing with occur is his offense has been questioned
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: at times. He has not been as aggressive in terms
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: of throwing punches, especially power punches, in the past versus
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: certain fighters. So I'm kind of curious to see how
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: that goes in a fight like this where everybody's watching.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: So I'm curious to see that. But it's the reason
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: why he's favorite. It's the reason why you know he's
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: kind of next up in a sense, I would give
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: him the odds of right now of winning the fight.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: It's one sixteen, one to twelve. I don't think it's
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: like a blowout. I think it's a very close fight.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: I think you'll when the fight's over, he will win.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: But you can make an argument for a couple of
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: rounds going the other way, and we know how that
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: goes when a fight is what eight four, We know
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: how that can go. And if you if you push
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: two rounds, you're at a draw. So I think we're
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: that kind of close to a fight, good fight for
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: US boxing fans, but I think he ends up victorious
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: on Saturday.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm also going to put on record and
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: say expect you kurs Stevenson to walk away with the W.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I'm hoping, I'm predicting that. You know, he's learned to
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: not from you know, his his other fights, knowing that
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: defense is not enough. He's got a kund of bunch.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: He has to be aggressive, especially with Tao, who will
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: throw you off your game, will just frustrate you. But
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: shaqur Is has always been level headed in the ring.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: He's always been prepared in the ring, and whether he
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: was not as aggressive, his defense was on point for
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: however who was fighting. So I think he can make
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: the adjustments. I think he probably And you know, he's
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: not doing this in a vacuum. He knows that this
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: is a big fight, a big showcase that a lot
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: of people are watching, especially being in New York. You know,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: he's from Jersey, tails from Brooklyn, so there's gonna be
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: a lot of eyes of both. You know a lot
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: of Puerto Ricans there, and of course Stevenson is is
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: partially Puerto Ricans, so I think he's aware, kind of
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: like how Bud Crawford is, that this could be his
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: moment to really showcase what he can do. And yeah,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: with Bud Crawford in his corner, the best thing about
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: but he's not just doesn't have great defense, he's a
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: great counterpuncher. So I'm guessing that that's what's what's gonna
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: what he's going to display the Saturday. And yeah, I
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: also think it's gonna be a close fight, definitely gonna
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: go the distance. But I feel that Chakhour is going
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: to be maybe he's gonna surprise people kind of like
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Devin Hainey did against Brian Rman Junior. He's gonna be
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: more aggressive than we expected. Maybe it's Shakurt two point zero.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: And I'm I'm pretty stoked. But one thing we got
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: to ask, can anybody really hurt the other? Can you know,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: can Tail put Chikur down on the Chemist vice versa, Tony?
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: I think it is more likely that tel Fimo Lopez
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: can put Shakur down again. I just haven't seen that
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: level of power. We're talking about two guys that are
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: I think five and oh both of their last five fights,
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: their records aren't that different. We're talking about what twenty
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: four and oh and like twenty two and one, and
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: you got two guys that know how to win. It's
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: a matter of how they go about winning. I think
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: Tao Fimo again, if you can dial one in right,
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: boxing is that kind of sport. I think he has
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: the higher the higher chance from a pure power perspective,
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: but he's got to find him first, and let's face it,
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: she core is really good and not get him found.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Jamison can tail put.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I actually agree with Tony there, like, we haven't seen
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: the power from like that to drop anyone like that's
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: the biggest thing is not let's say he's not capable.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: We just haven't seen it so be able to predict
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: that he's gonna you know, kao this dude, I don't
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: personally see that.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: With that being said, it.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Would not surprise me if he was on the stoppage,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: I think that might be more likely than a knockout,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: per se. It is a straight as he's taking much,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: he's getting so much punishment. Yeah, I can see that
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: that's more likely than a knock out. Sure, dropping to
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: a female would be talking to.
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: Me, maybe what he needs though to write, maybe he's
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: maybe he's more impressive. I mean, knocking a guy out
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: when you're that is tough. Maybe the extra few pounds
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: as he ages and gets a little bigger, Maybe the
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: power match with the mass again, maybe we just haven't
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: seen it yet, right right.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Right, right, Well, you know he can always surprise us.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I think Tayl's definitely the one that
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: has shown more power. And just to be clear here,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Tayo is twenty two and one and Chaquur is twenty
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: four and o because for some god, for the unknown
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: goddamn reason, Taylor lost to Cambosas which I will never
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: after seeing him fight Josh Taylor in his fight against Loba, like,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: how did this man lose to Cambosa's But that's either
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: hero there. But yeah, here's thing. Even if he does
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: put Chakurt down, I mean he got Chiqur, got wobbled
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: by William Pepeta and you know, he got hit with
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: the probably one of the strongest punches we've seen him
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: ever get hit with. But he came back, he adjusted,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: he fought, He fought his fight, not the fight that
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Tepedo wanted to fight. So even if he does get
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: hit the canvas. I think, you know, maybe he'll rebound
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: from that really really well. So I don't know. But
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: either way, like I said, we got our predictions in
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: uh s course Stevenson win goes to distance and I'm
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: gonna predict a really really good night for boxing. So
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: completely switching tracks to something else I wanted to talk
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: about that is also happening this Saturday. There is another
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: boxing match with another UH I would call I would
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: call him like a rising star, you know, a guy,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: a great boxer that has a lot of potential. Xanders
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Ayas is fighting the Saturday against a Boss Barrow junior
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: middle eight and this is on Top Rank, which is
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: now for free on two B, the same night as
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Chakor and Teo. So my question to you guys is
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: does Top Rank have any juice left? Like I went
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: on record and saying, I have no problem with our
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: fights being on two B as opposed to being on ESPN,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: I'm cool with that. It's free, every TV comes with it.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: We just want to be able to access the fights.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: But the fact that it's the same night as a
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: really really big event put on by Matt Troom Boxing,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: does Top Rank kind of just they lost the plot,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: you know, did they not care enough to work around that?
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Our guests, First, Tony, what are your thoughts on this?
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Despite having this week they also.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: Ran Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's on accident, right,
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: And obviously there's only so many weekends in the year
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: to do it. How many subscribers to two we have
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: man name name, brand matters, right, And I think if anything,
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: it's a ploy for Top Rank to say, you know,
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: this is where you want to fight. I actually kind
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: of view Top Rank as a little bit of a
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: minor league. They're sort of developmental. It's where you start.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: I appreciate what they've done for the sport of boxing recently,
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: especially with their partnership with ESPN.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: Zius is a good fight. It's too bad nobody's gonna
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: watch it.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: Maybe me and you guys put it on a second screen,
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: but most people ain't gonna care.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: So I think it's not gonna matter for him, honestly.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Well, and before I'll let you Jim and Jamison, you
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: know there are no to be subscribers. It's free and
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: there's one hundred million acts active users, so you know,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: like I said, it's on every smart TV.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: Fair, I misspoke.
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: I just I can only speak for self, and as
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: a guy who doesn't touch two B often, I don't
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: see most regulars jumping on to me to catch something
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: unless you die hard and really want to see Zios fight.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Right, Well, I guess the only reason I've been on
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: TV the last two times I have was for Top
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Right fights. But yeah, Jamison's kind of the same question
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: your thoughts on where Top Ring sits now.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: It's tough because they lost two big guys over the
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: last couple of years that are big money making guys.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: When you lose them, and you lose them basically for
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: the same reason. Both basically sided, Hey, you don't promote
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: us well enough. You don't get the bigger fights for us.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: We don't fight as often as we want to or should.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: It's very difficult to hold on to your company. It's
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: very difficult to hold on to guys because that becomes
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: the word on the street saying, Hey, Tony said, it's
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: probably good for developmental stages, but once you get past
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: that stage, you want to make a lot of money.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: You want to become a brand, you want to become
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of these things. They don't do that. They
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: should with their premier guys like that, and that has
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: really halted things over the last two years. And I
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: mean Shakur left them last year staying the same thing.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: They said, Hey, I appreciate what I've done, but the
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: growth is not there on the same rate as I
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: wanted to be. So that's why he left. And I think,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: you know, Crawford, same thing a couple of years ago.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: He left for similar reasons. I think that's a bigger
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: part of it. Anything else. Is the way they're managing
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: and marketing Fighters is not where it was ten years
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: ago or even fifteen years ago.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Right well, and that's just a big bummer to me.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, they were the name they yeah, like Tony said,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: their partnership with ESPN mean meant the boxing was always
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: on basic cable most Saturdays, and you always knew where
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: to find it. Whenever I went to a dive bar
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: and there was a boxing match playing, you know I wanted,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: I asked them to turn it, say at ESPN, and
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: they would that's you know, pacio if I fought there. Actually,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: actually I didn't mention this earlier, but I do appreciate
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Tony pronouncing it bakiao, which I don't know why the
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: hell I have been doing that all my life. But
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: you know this is the the problem coming from Mohamad Ali. Dammit.
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: You know English is my second is in my second language,
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: man say only way I know how to say.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: No worries. But yeah, so I I kind of kind
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: of bums me out to see I never had a
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: problem with him being on two b uh. You know,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: as a as a concept, you know, cool, wherever people
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: can get as many imalls, especially in the area area
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: of streaming, that's cool. The only thing is yeah, usually
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: like correct me if I'm wrong, Like people know what
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: other whether big fights are happening, they schedule around right,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: it's not they don't just got dump. It feels like
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: a dumping ground, I guess is what I'm trying to say.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: No disrespect to xanders As, no disrespect to Puerto Rico
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: where the fight is happening, really bums me out that
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: it's not happening next weekend because I'm gonna be in
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: the San Juan, Puerto Rico for my birthday. So that's
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: exactly that's really cool. But but yeah, and especially with
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Xander's ayas you know, I'm a fan. I definitely caught
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: literly fights. I think what of his first fights I
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: saw was on a course Stevenson card and you know,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: really caught my attention. I thought this guy was destined
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: for big things. I've happed him up myself on the show.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: But and he was actually the last top rank fight
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: on ESPN was him. So it seems that if he
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: really wants to be a star, he can't stay. And
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: that's just a bummer too to think about it. Don't
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: know what are your guys thoughts on that, Tody.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: Again, for me, it's just the top rank ESPN move.
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: I think it diluted it a little bit, Bret, because
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: it was available every weekend, and it's it's not a
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: party if it's every weekend, right, And so sorry if
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: I missed the framework of the question, But again I
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: just don't think he'll have the eyes on it. I
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: saw Jabbari in the chat post a little bit about
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: to be and the subscribers and who's on that, and
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: I think with the fighters that are up and coming,
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: it was a smart move. Again, I just think the
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: general public and the name that is ESPN would have
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: probably been better. I just think the frequency was the
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: dilution and trying to do something every Friday night was
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: the nail in the coffin. For top rank, you got
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: to have some exclusivity. I don't necessarily agree with pay
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: per view. I love what the UFC talking about the
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: Big Bead Wolf is doing with Paramount Plus, but so
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: I think I think it's gotta be a different structure
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: to how we have access to fights.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Sure, and sorry if the question seemed off because I'm
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: bad at hosting, but that's okay because I think we
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: can all agree that if I ever get fired, Tony'd
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: be a great first to take over the show. But no, really,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: the question is really the question is are we going
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: to see big stars from top rank ever? Again?
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: You know, yeah, they have to.
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: Again talking about development, In my opinion, you sort of
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: as as currently structured, you have to go through the
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: top rank ranks to get there, to get to the
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: PBC event driven side, to get to the global polish
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: that is match Room. So again, I'm curious to see
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: how we continue to shift as combat sports shift. But
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: I think inevitably you will see stars come out of
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: top rank. I just think most people aren't seeing them
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: at the top rank level.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Jamison. Where we going to see big names that start
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: there and stay there or.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I think it's more of a stepping stone because you're
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: as you can run into a star, you could back
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: into a star. Right, there's guys who are late bloomers.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: There's guys that figure out after you know, you're always
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: going to have a guy and you're stable that just
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: it clicks randomly, right, whether he upsets someone whatever, where
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: the case might be. So there's always gonna be stars. However,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: the stars now are way more business minded, in business
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: savvy than ever before, so they're constantly thinking about branding, marketing,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. So yes, coming up under top
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: rank is one thing. Staying with top rank, top rank
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: has to be adjusted. It has to get adjusted to
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: the two album and twenty sixth and beyond. In order
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: for that to happen, they have to change some of
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: their ways and how they're doing business or else they will.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: They will contain to those guys.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Very very good points. And yeah, I actually am am
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: planning to put the Xander's Ice Fight on my phone.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: I've never actually done that the two screen, so we'll
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: see how how well that works. But if somebody in town,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: if the neighborhood is playing CHUKR vers tail, I would
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: like to go out and then have my phone up
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: on the bar with its pop socket. So we'll see
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: how that works. But at the end of the day,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man, that's the very ideal. Nobody ever
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: wants to really experience boxing like that, you know, second screen,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: tiny phone, But I don't know. I mean, I I
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: definitely it'd be really cool to see the crowd in
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: San Juan come out for Xander's eyes. I mean, I
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: mean again, not to come down and because I'm sure
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: it's a really really big moment for him, you know,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: some hometown pride, Jamison you mentioned before. Puerto Ricans love
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Puerto Ricans and they come out for to support.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: Their own more than anything.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: So I bet that, Yeah, I bet that there's gonna
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: be a lot of energy in that in that event.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: And uh, you know, I kind of hate to I'm
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: not trying to pooh pooh it. It is just kind
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: of weird to see. It does feel like it's a
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: bit of a dumbie ground to put it on this Saturday. Well,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: that's cool planning, and anybody can be guilty of that
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: so cool. Well, let's uh, that's all the topics that
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: we want to talk about in terms of the news
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: this Saturday. Check out both Tail Versus Your Core and
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Xander Zias versus Barrow, Uh if you can. But I
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: want to cut into some miscellaneous topics, especially because we
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: have our guests here and you and I have chatted
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: about these things when we when we run into each
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: other at the bar. Uh, let's talk about the face
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: of Mexican boxing, the future face of Mexican boxing. You know,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Canelo on his way out, has two more fights left
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: on his RIAT season card with Saudi Arabia, gonna be
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: skipping Sinco de Mayo because of the surgery, so we're
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: expecting him to come back in September. So maybe twenty
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: twenty seven will be the last we see of him
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: if he decides to retire. So what are your thoughts on, Tony,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: What do you think if it's good for Canal to retire,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: if it's going to be a loss for the sport
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: and who the next guys are going to be after him.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: I think it's a huge loss. I think it's.
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: Without overstating, the biggest loss to Mexican boxing since Hoodos
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: has Travis right, and you hope that Junior was going
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: to take the lead. But going back to this lack
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: of discipline and fighters who who are supposed to have it,
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: you know, he had the disadvantage of having his daddy's name.
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: Is the other side of it. I don't know. I
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: think it's going to take multiple guys to make up
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: the weight. That is kind of a lot of this
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: as far as the importance, and maybe I'm overstating it,
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: I will admit my own bias as a boxing fans
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: has meant a lot in my lifetime because he was
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: the next dude. So it feels like a big task.
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: You got guys like people cruise, you got guys like
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: There are always going to be small guys that come
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: up the ranks, right, But currently.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know who it's gonna be.
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: I don't even know if we've seen them yet, at
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: least for me, But I can probably catch them on
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: two B soon.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: That's that's fair. Uh Well, and Tony, we did mention
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: last episode that David Benavitaz is slotting in for Vegas
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: on May second, which is you know the big event
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: is this my birthday? Oh excellent, Hell yeah, so yeah,
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: do you think this is gonna do something for him?
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: You know, being Mexican American. You know, Canelo was from Mexico,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: but Oscarlia is Mexican American. Do we have another Mexican
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: American coming over to take over the rains like Gloia
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: did in this David Benavidez.
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: Man, if it's anyone, it's him. But I do think
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: that you know nothing. There's no other way to put it.
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: Nothing carries the weight of a true Mexican fighter. Even
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: myself as a Mexican American fan, I'm aware of that
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: until there's a.
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: Dude who is straight out of Mexico.
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: And again, I think the battle that boxing is facing
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: is a lot of these dudes are going to a
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: different combat sport, right They're choosing mixed martial arts. So
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: how do we keep the best of the best, How
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: do we keep those big names when guys are have
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: an option For the first time in a long.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: Time, Benabatas can be that guy.
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: But I still think that there's no equation in which
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: a Mexican American fighter can carry the weight of a
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: true Mexican fighter in regard to popularity and relevance.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, bold claim, and I appreciate it. I appreciate the
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: the fight, the fire take. Jamison is somebody who you
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: know lives in Vegas. His experienced Secret to Mayo many times,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: you know, obviously not all the Secret to Mayo stars
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: or Mexican. You know, Floyd is a big draw in
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Vegas for a long long time. What's the difference you
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: see between do you do you see a difference between
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: a Mexican fighter, Mexican American fighter or a black fighter
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: on Secret to Mayo? Or is it just because it's
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: always an event, people are gonna come out no matter what.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Being an insider.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, that's a great that's actually a great point
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Tony brought up. That's a like top top knot. I mean,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: dale Way was such a crossover star, so that kind
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: of don't count because he was It wasn't being Mexican or.
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: Mexicmarria's one, you know what I mean. He was a
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: thing that didn't exst that no one had ever seen before, right, right.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: So he don't count, Like you can't really count him.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: But that's something that I don't think boxing there has
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: ever seen. That's just something they hit a home run,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: it's a totally different thing. But no having a Canelo
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: being from Mexico being that good for so long. Remember
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Canelo has been fighting big fights for like fifteen years now,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Like he's been fighting big prime time like big events
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: for a long time. When you lose that, you can't
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: replace it overnight. That don't happen. There's no swapping of that.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: You can't Oh, they'll be another one to Martin. No, No,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: that takes time to develop. And honestly, between mixed martial
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: arts and then also boxing, it's kind of weird because
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: we don't train kids to be boxers anymore. We're training
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: kids to do a lot of other things. And with
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: content creating and everything else, there's less and less boxers
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: coming up than it was when we were younger. There's
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: a lot less people who were in boxing gyms as
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: kids and as teenagers and preteens than where we were.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: So the pool, even if you're from a different country,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: even besides being in Mexico or the US or from
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: the Islands or wherever, the amount of kids who want
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: to be boxers is a lot lower than it was
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: when we were coming up as children, and we were
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: coming up with young adults. So I think there's a
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: lot of things that's hurting the pool itself, but replaces
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: the Canelo shit. Man, we may never get a guy
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: like that, And it's a perfect storm of being from Mexico,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: being really good and being like a star, like being
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: the overall superstar. It's hard to birth the superstar. Those
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: don't happen overnight. Those that shit is generational, like Canelos generational,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Floyd was generational, danla Hoya was super generational. That's three
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: guys in the last thirty years. As great as Terce
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Crawford was as amazing as he was, He's not generational,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: but he's a hell of a fighter. But as a superstar,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: he's not generational. Why this don't happen that way? Tank
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Davis had had a window to that, but that's gone.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: There's just not a lot of generational superstars back inside Weekend.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: And here's the thing about Vegas. It's not just the fight.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: You're selling out everything. You're sung at the restaurants, at hotels,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: it's at the car rentals. You're sung out all the shit.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: So it's bigger than this to fight itself. Canelo did
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: all that. I have a friend who worked as worked
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: at the airport. Basically during all Pannell's career, Wednesday night
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: you saw people coming from Mexico, from Arizona, from Califorifornia,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: and from every other state with the with the hats
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: on and everything with Canelo hear shirts from works the
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: headband everything from Wednesday to Saturday. I don't see anyone
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: coming up that's anywhere close to that right now, with
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: all respect to everyone who's in the running, anyone close
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: to that.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: And that's gonna be hard to come by.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: However, it's not impossible because again it's some winning guys
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: and it can't happen. But right now I don't see
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: it like that. That's a hard pillow Swallow'm sorry, but
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: that's that's tough one.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, bussing was always like a way
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: out of poverty for people in the poorest countries in
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: the world and Mexico. But you know, you said content
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: creation could be a thing you could be and sorry
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: to just kind of repeat a point from last episode,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: but you know, you could be a boxer with a
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: lot of hype on social media and that's gonna get
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: you some attention. But when you're actually fighting real competition.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: That shit doesn't hold up, That doesn't I said that
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: last episode, I said, I said, right, Garcia and edgar
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Bert Langa Tony I mentioned I dropped both those names
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: of my chest. So yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, So well,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: that's a point I never really thought about Jamison. Is
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: everything is sold that in Vegas when there's a star.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: But was there was there a different vibe for Canelo
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: than like Floyd in that sense or we just equal startup?
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: It's different because here's the thing, y'all would come out
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: for both because Floyd always fight pretty much a Mexican
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: fighter on either a Simon Mile or Mexican Independence weekend, So.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: Y'all would be there.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Y'all would be the ones mainly with the numbers, what
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: it comes to the buying of the tickets, just in
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: terms of hotels, et cetera.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: It's the whole thing.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Put it this way, Canelo is just as big as
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: Beyonce in terms of song out arena, a song out
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: of city. That's why I compare it to that's the
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: power they bring because it's not necessarily the fight. It's
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: way deeper than just the fight. And I'm not like
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: I'm this way Beyonce had a cowboy thing tour whatever.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: You couldn't find a cowboy hat a city. That's how
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: big of That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: So the same thing with Canelo when he came, even
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: when he fought Crawford, people came out here and droves
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: to watch him fight and just to be in the city.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: Some people need to fight. They was here in the
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: city because he's fighting. They want to support their guy.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: That's something we don't see. That's superstar shit we don't have,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: like right now in boxing. I don't see a superstar
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: in the States right now. I don't see a superstar
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: that's like young and coming into the prime. I don't
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: see it right now. It could happen, but I don't
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: see that. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't currently
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: see that. And that's why Canelo leaving into fights kind
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: of sucks because there's no one that's like really closer
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: placing him.
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: And Louis as a microcosm of that. You know, I
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: worked in the beer industry here in town for a while.
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: I knew guys at the distributors. The amount of VM
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: see the Canelo beverage, the Vio may cover on this
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: Seltzer drink. The amount percentage increase on fight week for
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: Canelo was crazy.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: Dog.
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: I'm talking in the several hundred percent uptick of ordering
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: more of that stuff because Conela was fighting. So again,
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: you know, to the point that that reaches fell outside
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: of Vegas too, especially with a guy who's been as
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: smart about as brandy as Canela was.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: So, I mean I I drank that ship only because
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: I don't drink a lot of non beer, non liquor.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: I don't drink a lot of Celsius. But I bought
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: that ship because it was Candela's brand, let's be real honest.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: Luckily it was also delicious, so I didn't you know?
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: It was so good. This is not sponsored, not a
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: pluglious no.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: No, but you know what we will. We will take
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: your buddy vms.
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: And if you're listening my Mexico covering on this, yeah.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: No, we caddos on this thing. But Eddie right, no,
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: so is know cover on? Yeah, I know you're listening
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: any but uh yeah, And you know, just to jump
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: off a quick point point that I agree with our
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: producer that we have to make you know, I I
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: disagree Bud Crawford is a generational talent that did not
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: get the the do he deserved. He did not get
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: the recognition that he deserved. It's just that he wasn't
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: didn't fight out big fights enough. But in terms of
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: pure talent, that man has the talent of a generational.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: You know star, I mean so talent wise, yes, I
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: mean generational. I mean starter where you could sell out
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: a football stadium by your name. Only Canelo has done
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: that several times. Floyd and his prime could have done that,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Dale Hoya, that's good. Done that Bud Crawford could. Now
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: it's not all his fault, but I mean generational. It's
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: more than just the boxing. It's all pull a package
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: that that's that's what I'm referring to. But as a
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: boxer is definitely generational. He's up there all the.
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: Well, disrespect turns out, Omaha, Nebraska, ain't that marketable.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: That's where if you were on you know, if you
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: were made with Al Hayman or with Golden Boy, maybe
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: that maybe that turns out to be different.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: But it didn't happen. It didn't be there. But no,
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: but as a.
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: Boxing promotions maybe that's his next chapter. Right, He's taking
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: his He's taking the next page as a promoter, maybe
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: taking a page out of his nemesis, Golden Boy. Right,
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: maybe that's where his next claim to fame is after boxing.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Fact fact, yeah, I do think he could have sold
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: that narita after the Canela fight and now that he
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: had the hype behind it. But also he was already
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: close to forty, Like if he had fought you know,
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know, five or six years before earlier, then
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: maybe he could have ridden that way. So and that's
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: kind of the biggest thing. That's the biggest what if
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: is what could Bud Crawford have become with that hype
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: after the after beating Canelo And you know something, I'll
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: never I'll love the rest of my life kind of
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: wishing I knew.
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And the sad thing is what could he become
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: if he was from New York, if he was from
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: la if he was from Vegas. I think the trajectory
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: of a fighter like that with that level of talent
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: would have been very, very different had he had a
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: different level of exposure. Because it took a lot of
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: really really good fights, a lot of success from him
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: before we started talking about him and giving him his Flowers,
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: and I think if he's from a coast or if
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: he's from l V, I think that trajectory is very different,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: much like we're saying we're sha corp here.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: Well, it that reminds me of a point. We interviewed
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: award winning boxing journalist Gale Falkenthal, who was at the
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: LA event where he fought Madrimov but did and Eminem
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: had a whole show there and you know, I changed
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: the channel when m Andem came out, but she said
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: that a lot of people were there, huge event, huge arena,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: people saw Eminem and after he played, like thirty percent
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: of the crowd left in LA after Eminem went offstage
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: and didn't even stay for the main event, which is
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: a bummer, but you know what they probably were like,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: if the music sucks, then the fight's gonna suck, or
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: we're just gonna leave, is my take on it. But
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: so goodbye. By the last topic we'll bring up, because
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: I definitely wanted to discuss this with you, Tony. You know,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: you made a good point and I want to see
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: if Jameson You've ever done this. You know, Tony mentioned
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: that in close fights you do this thing you like
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: to do the thing where you watch the fight on mute,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: rewatch to see if without bias, without you know, the
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: audience going ooh, or the sound of the the punch
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: is landing. So I'd never heard of that, you know,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: what did that come from? Is that something that you
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: know people family did, like, what's what's that? What's you
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: take on?
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: You know? I don't even know where I heard it.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: I feel like it was a broadcaster that made the point.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: And I wish I can give credit where credit is due.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 5: But yeah, when I when I rewatch close fights, I
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: rewatched them and I watched them on mute because I
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: think announcers have their bias.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: I think there could be a lot of motives.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: We talk about the potential for crooked sports, whether it's
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: judges or announcers or or the commission or whatever else.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: And I think when you watch a fight in silence,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: you get.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: To see really who which punch is hurt without without.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: The announcer going oh, he got him there, or the
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: crowd uproar, because fans will get excited if you're swinging
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: volume and not landing the damn thing, and so you're
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: gonna get a lot of cheer from the crowd.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: And all that.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: So I think watching especially close fights on mute decision
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: fights that go the distance, knockouts, there's no disputing them,
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  Speaker 5: right unless it's a Jake Pulfi, but we're not talking
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  Speaker 5: about that or you know, it's where you get to
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  Speaker 5: see who really won five through eight, you know what
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  Speaker 5: I mean, who'd won those rounds? And I think, again,
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  Speaker 5: I wish, I wish I can remember who said it,
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, watching Rewatching fights on mute is really really
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  Speaker 5: fun because you get to see the body language of
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  Speaker 5: the fighter, You get to see their demeanor in the
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  Speaker 5: corner between rounds, you get to see which punch is
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  Speaker 5: really hurt and didn't, And I think it really is
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  Speaker 5: a more sort of an objective way to watch the
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  Speaker 5: fight because, let's face it, in most fights, we also
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  Speaker 5: go into it wanting a guy to win, whether it's
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  Speaker 5: gambling purposes or other or fandom. We kind of got
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  Speaker 5: who we're rooting for too, so we react more to
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  Speaker 5: the oohs and the odds. So yeah, watching fights on mute, man,
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  Speaker 5: I know we talked about it last time.
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  Speaker 4: I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 5: It's a great decider and trilogies that were undecided when
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  Speaker 5: you go back and rewatch fights, who fought a few fighters,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: who fought a few times.
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  Speaker 4: But have you ever done that, jamison Er, had you
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  Speaker 4: ever heard that taken before?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an old school thing. A lot of people
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  Speaker 3: the generation before us recommends.
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  Speaker 1: That because they, you know, remember a lot of them
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  Speaker 1: grew up with the small TVs and stuff, so you
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  Speaker 1: know they I've heard that before.
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  Speaker 3: I've never so here that I can block out the
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  Speaker 3: commentary in the crowd.
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  Speaker 1: I could if I need to key in on the fight,
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  Speaker 1: I can personally do that, so I don't need to
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  Speaker 1: as trying to turn off the value and everything.
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  Speaker 3: But I have heard that several times. I forgot where
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  Speaker 3: I first heard that, but I have heard it.
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  Speaker 1: And whenever there is a close fight, I'll really pull
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  Speaker 1: out a notebook and we'll draw a line fighter, a
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  Speaker 1: fighter B and judge fight myself. Now again, the three
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  Speaker 1: of us are going to judge the fight differently. There
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  Speaker 1: are certain things that Tony you may agree on that
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  Speaker 1: deserves to win around that I don't, and vice versa.
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  Speaker 1: Same thing with Luis. At last, be like, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: that guy's more efficient. You know, he didn't land as much,
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  Speaker 1: but he was very efficiently landed. I might be well,
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  Speaker 1: he was out active and you know that won around
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  Speaker 1: because I got what this act more right.
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  Speaker 4: There's different things we value, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. So that's why it's very key to be
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  Speaker 1: able to stick to the strip. My thing is this,
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  Speaker 1: are the judges consistent. You can't be one way in
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: one fight and definitely in another fight, and then when
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  Speaker 1: it's a close fight, we wonder, why is this card
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  Speaker 1: way off? I think that's where things got a hand
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to like very questionable decisions. But for
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  Speaker 1: the most party, I just think being able to key
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  Speaker 1: in on the actual fight is huge. But I personally
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  Speaker 1: don't need to turn the sound off. I can look
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  Speaker 1: at the fight and judge it, you know, real time,
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  Speaker 1: and the next day.
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  Speaker 5: You're a discipline fan, Jamison, because I am so easily
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  Speaker 5: influenced by the ras man.
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  Speaker 1: A lot, because a lot of times when you like now,
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  Speaker 1: I watched it in closer a smaller groups or by myself.
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  Speaker 1: But back in the day, you know, you go to
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  Speaker 1: fight parties and whatnot, everybody's talking about everything else. I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to see the fight, like I'm trying to see
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  Speaker 1: who's winning the fight, who's making adjustments is somebody wearing downs.
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  Speaker 3: I'm really laser. I was on the fight. I don't
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: care about any of the other stuff outside the food
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  Speaker 3: being right.
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  Speaker 1: But so to me, it's just like one of those
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  Speaker 1: things where use it that because when you go to
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  Speaker 1: five Partis with thirty other people in there, it's easy
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  Speaker 1: to get lost in the sauce.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, I'd say I'm kind of in between both of
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: you guys, because I am can be influenced as well
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  Speaker 2: by the ooze and the ohs, and but also the
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: what I always try to look for, and it comes
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: from my history of sparring badly, but I want to
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: see exactly when the punches are actually landing and when
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: they're being blocked, you know. And you know, I was
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: never good at it, but I got pretty good at defense.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: Was never good at counterpunching, and I got my ask.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say this's not but there's a certain
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: amount of pride when I was able to well number one,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: walking out of a gym like still on my feet,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: but of just being like, all right, you know, my
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: arm's hurt like hell because I cut all these punches,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: but I'm not actually hurt, you know, I'm sore, but
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: you know, if I was in a ring and people
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: were really going at me, like, I didn't get caught,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't get hurt. So that's kind of where I
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: focus is. And a problem too, is that a lot
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: of the judges reward aggression. You know, when somebody is
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  Speaker 2: more active and they're throwing punches even if they're not landing.
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  Speaker 2: That's that goes a long way. Not to take anything
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  Speaker 2: away from CLARESSA Shield, who's an amazing fighter, but she's
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: got a pattern if she if she lands something, her
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: next movie is just start throwing, throwing, throwing throwing, and
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: it looks good and it works. But yeah, like I've
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  Speaker 2: always kind of really focused on what is actually landing,
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  Speaker 2: what is actually hitting, and is the person kind of
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: getting hurt by their reaction. You know when somebody I've
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: tried to throw punches, but I kind of watch to
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: see where it lands, and then I opened my dumb
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: ass up to take a CounterPunch really badly in the face.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: So but definitely watching a fight on mute and the
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: only sound being the cracking of the beers, that's I
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: haven't tried it yet, but something I definitely want to
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: because it's really really interesting. So yeah, no, I appreciate
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: that that tip. And for anybody out there, you know
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: who wants to see boxing in a different light, try that.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: So uh man, this shows out a fucking fire. This
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: has been a fantastic episode. Man, I that's pretty much
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: all I had. I can't thank Tony for being here enough. Tony,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: is there any place where people you know, we want
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: people to follow you on social media? Anything you want
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: to plug or you just want to be a private
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: dude that nobody knows.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 5: You know, candidly, I don't have much of a social presence.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: I'm a pretty private dude. Most likely to catch me
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: on FanDuel and or DraftKings. But no, man, no, no, no,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: no plugs for me. I just hope that boxing fans
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: enjoyed this episode. I hope that we have some good
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: fights this weekend, even the ones on two B and
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: I hope you get some good out of it as fans,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: because you know, we're waiting for that next dude and
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: we'll see who's ready to carry the torch.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah, and you know what, I'll go ahead and
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: give a plug for you. People can find Tony back
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: on this very show very soon, because You've been an
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: awesome guest and we already can't wait to have you back.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: Devastate that. Jeff said, where can people find you on
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: social media?
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: First of all, tun was amazing. He do with shit.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: He wasn't a fake boxing fan. He was able to
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: break down a lot different things. So Tony appreciate you
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: taking the time out of your day. I first juring
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: the week, I definitely appreciate it for sure. But for
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: me on Twitter at the Jamison's probably the best spot.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: I try to be as private as possible nowadays to
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: people crazy, so I try to keep it low key.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: But for the most part, this is gonna be a
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: fun weekend thing going over Buddy's house watch fights.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: But other than that, I can't wait. Man, it's gonna
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: be a good weekend.
• 1:08:29
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