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#1758 Health Promotion vs Sickness Management - Dr. Denise Furness · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I'll get at Welcome to another installing the show, Doctor
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  Speaker 1: Denise Vaness, Doctor Tiffany Cook, and the shitkicker that is
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  Speaker 1: me just here just rounding out the trio. We'll start
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  Speaker 1: with doctor Cook, who's over there in her clinic. Good afternoon, Cookie,
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  Speaker 1: how are you?
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  Speaker 2: I feel it lately you're priming me on the whole
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  Speaker 2: doctor Cook thing so that one day I'll get attached
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  Speaker 2: to it and go, I really want to be a doctor.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm trying to get you to do your first degree,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it is a beautiful time. You're smart,
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  Speaker 1: You've got a bit of flexibility, You're your own person.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have the emotional baggage of a husband or
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  Speaker 1: a boyfriend or girlfriend or wife or whatever is your
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  Speaker 1: current status.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure I have the emotional baggage of what
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  Speaker 2: is tiff Cook, though, and that is a heavy burden
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  Speaker 2: to carry.
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  Speaker 1: Ergo, ergo an undergrad degree in psychology. You're welcome. That
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  Speaker 1: might open a couple of doors. Speaking of all the
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  Speaker 1: degrees in the fucking world, the woman who's got more
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  Speaker 1: degrees than a fucking thermometer, Doctor Denise for ness, Oh
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  Speaker 1: I love.
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  Speaker 3: I'm good. It's been so long.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know it's been a minute, as the
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  Speaker 1: kids say. You know, the kids say when it's been
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  Speaker 1: a while, they say it's been a minute.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because they're cool. They're cool. That's that's what cool
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  Speaker 3: people say. Just willing, I was about to reel off
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  Speaker 3: some things that my son, like, oh, all the young
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  Speaker 3: ones are going to tell me I'm so wrong. It's
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  Speaker 3: like skippity something, Harry, my twelve year old, like, they've
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  Speaker 3: got this language and it's just it's stupid, of course,
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  Speaker 3: but it's so cool in their world and it's like
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  Speaker 3: skippity something. Anyway, we won't even go there because I'm
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  Speaker 3: not even cool enough to repeat the words that my
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  Speaker 3: twelve year old says that's cool in that genre, that
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  Speaker 3: age bracket of teenagers.
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  Speaker 1: Well, whether or not it's stupid or cool, I think
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  Speaker 1: is about context. Like in their world it's cool and
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  Speaker 1: hip and see nobody fucking says Hippi sixty year old people, right,
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  Speaker 1: but you know in your world it's like, what the
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  Speaker 1: fuck are you talking about? Just use actual words, son, I.
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  Speaker 3: Asked him, Like that is that a good word or
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  Speaker 3: a bad word? Like are we we're saying something's cool
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  Speaker 3: or we're saying it's shit basically, like that's there's such
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  Speaker 3: strange words that you can't even work out. And the
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  Speaker 3: first time I asked him, I shouldn't put any I
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't say bad things about my son because he's the
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  Speaker 3: most amazing boy in the world. But I don't think
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  Speaker 3: he even understood. Like the first time I asked him,
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  Speaker 3: he goes, oh, I think it's like a good thing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, you're saying it though, like that's crap, and
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  Speaker 3: he goes, oh, no, actually means like really good. I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: but the way that you say it in that sentence
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  Speaker 3: doesn't actually mean that. So it's really interesting trying to
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he's only twelve, and this is probably something
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  Speaker 3: that older boys say as well, so I think they're
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  Speaker 3: just grasping onto things they hear as well. So anyway,
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  Speaker 3: let's get on with the podcast and not talk about
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  Speaker 3: language that I don't even understand.
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  Speaker 1: Yet well speaking, and then we'll move on. The other night,
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  Speaker 1: I rode to the gym on one of my motorbikes,
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  Speaker 1: which is probably the it's not the best one, but
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  Speaker 1: it's probably the most impressive to a young man, and
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  Speaker 1: there was a kid going into the gym who trains there.
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  Speaker 1: Don't know his name, seem a bit, don't know his age.
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying fifteen probably. I pull up and it's like
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  Speaker 1: the loudest motorbike in the world. It's kind of cool looking,
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  Speaker 1: the black and yellow one tip. And I pull up
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  Speaker 1: there and he's walking in. He just stops and looks
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  Speaker 1: at it, and he goes to me, that's sick, and
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  Speaker 1: I go, is it? He goes fully sick? I go
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  Speaker 1: goodie gum drops like, okay, just myself, My black and
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  Speaker 1: yellow motorbike is fully sick and as evaluated by a black,
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  Speaker 1: bloody fifteen year old Emilio that goes to the gym
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. So yeah, I'm with you. I didn't I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, but I get the energy behind it or
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  Speaker 1: the intention behind it, and it was positive. So two
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  Speaker 1: thumbs up for my sick motorbike.
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  Speaker 3: I'm down with sick. I feel like I'm not that old,
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  Speaker 3: like you know, it's sick man, like that's you know,
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  Speaker 3: and you can tell that it's a really good thing.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like I've heard that before. This is a
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  Speaker 3: whole new one that's never skippity something skippity didn't It's
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  Speaker 3: like they're almost doing a slight rap song or something. Anyway,
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  Speaker 3: next time, I'm going to be back on soon and
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what the words are. Everyone. For those
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  Speaker 3: of you who are so interested in this, because.
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  Speaker 1: It's fucking waits. You were telling us before we came
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  Speaker 1: on air, and I'm sure you don't want me to
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  Speaker 1: talk about it. Why are you covering your face? You
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  Speaker 1: were telling us before we came on air. Hey, everyone,
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing this just for you audience. You're welcome. You
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  Speaker 1: were telling us that your husband has resigned from his
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  Speaker 1: job and you're very busy. You're traversing the globe doing
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  Speaker 1: education and gigs and conferences and just enlightening the world
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  Speaker 1: to think better, do better, live better, and be healthier.
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  Speaker 1: But you were saying there was like when you're flat
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  Speaker 1: out at work and he's flat out at work, there
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  Speaker 1: can be a little tension in the household, although you
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  Speaker 1: both love each other. But he's not working now, so's
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  Speaker 1: there's some during the day sex happening. So that's good.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's a paradox, isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, you said is it good? And I said, yes,
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  Speaker 3: it's much better with him at home. And then I
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  Speaker 3: mentioned the day sex, and as I said it, I
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  Speaker 3: was like, oh, I shouldn't say any of these things
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  Speaker 3: to you because I know it's going to come on air.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway, I'm sure everyone loves it, and everyone loves it. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I'm just tiff. Just just jump in and save me,
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  Speaker 3: save me.
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  Speaker 1: Well there was there was which you also did mention
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  Speaker 1: the infamous quote from a previous episode where you were
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  Speaker 1: talking about how well manicured your man's don't fucking shave
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  Speaker 1: you shake your arms at me, well groomed and Denise
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  Speaker 1: how well, hang on, how well groomed and manicured he
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  Speaker 1: is and how unmanicured you are? Was that still the
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  Speaker 1: current state?
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  Speaker 3: No, you know what, And I'm happy to disclose that
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  Speaker 3: I take better care of myself these days. And I
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  Speaker 3: had laser, so I've not had laser since before I
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  Speaker 3: had children. Things change, You have to get busy, you
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  Speaker 3: just let it all go. I'm in a stage in
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  Speaker 3: my life for all of a sudden I can make
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  Speaker 3: a bit of time for me. And I had a
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  Speaker 3: laser on my arms that was a bit weird, my
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  Speaker 3: legs and my bits everywhere like Brazilian people. So the
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  Speaker 3: lady gets in there and she kind of just moves
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  Speaker 3: away along. You're like, oh, hello, But anyway, so Ryan's
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  Speaker 3: really happy. I'm tidy than I have been in a
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  Speaker 3: long time. How's that for listeners? Is that educationabook?
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  Speaker 1: Well? I think we can pretty much wrap it up there.
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  Speaker 1: Hey one, that's Denise vanessisiro train molecular geneticist. But to us,
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  Speaker 1: she's just the chick who just had her bloody bit slazered. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: see you next time.
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  Speaker 3: It was Harry for a really long time because I
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  Speaker 3: was just too busy. Because that's life, people, that's life.
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  Speaker 3: Priorities change before you have children and before you get married,
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  Speaker 3: and before you're busy. You take such good care of
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  Speaker 3: yourself and then you just let it all go for
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  Speaker 3: a really long time.
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  Speaker 1: See. If I feel like you want to chime in,
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  Speaker 1: you look like you're biting your bottom lip.
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  Speaker 2: I just thought Finess was a really apt last name
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  Speaker 2: for this conversation.
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  Speaker 3: Finess All right, Well, a little finesse sometimes you need
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  Speaker 3: a lot finesse. Do you remember that ad? No?
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  Speaker 1: I do not, I do not, Thanks for thanks for
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  Speaker 1: the tunes.
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  Speaker 3: It's an ad.
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  Speaker 1: You're the best I love. Do you know what I
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  Speaker 1: love about you?
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  Speaker 3: More?
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  Speaker 1: Than maybe any other guest, is that you don't have
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  Speaker 1: a filter. And I think that's that's for somebody who
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  Speaker 1: who's literally one of the smartest people I've ever met,
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  Speaker 1: and you combine that intellect and that brain, that giant
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  Speaker 1: brain of yours, with this lack of filter or some
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  Speaker 1: might say social appropriateness. I love it's.
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  Speaker 3: It's so true. It's so true. But I'm learning to
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  Speaker 3: embrace it. I think not only am I sharing all
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  Speaker 3: this stuff with you, I think just generally in life
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  Speaker 3: the last few years, I'm learning to be me kind
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  Speaker 3: of all the time. And we may have discussed this
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  Speaker 3: in the past, Craig, whether it's on air or definitely
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  Speaker 3: off air, how I've almost been two people.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: There was niece like doctor Denise was actually very different
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  Speaker 3: to the like Denise. Denise and my friends know me
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  Speaker 3: as like crazy. And then there's the you know, when
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  Speaker 3: I'm in work mode, it's like work mode, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm the professional, I'm going to bite my tongue. So
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  Speaker 3: it's really interesting getting to a certain age, like mid forties,
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  Speaker 3: where you're kind of just going okay to be me,
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  Speaker 3: and it's okay too. I can actually be silly and
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  Speaker 3: you know, potentially in some people's eyes inappropriate or say things,
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  Speaker 3: but at the same time still completely understand cellular biology
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  Speaker 3: and genetics and really be out there to just help
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  Speaker 3: people get as well as they can. And to be honest,
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  Speaker 3: I think the personality in some senses can be really
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  Speaker 3: helpful for people because they just sort of then kind
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  Speaker 3: of connect with you and go, oh, okay, well, you
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  Speaker 3: know she can be like that and say all that.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe it's not so too distant from me, because I
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  Speaker 3: think the professionalism sometimes can be a disconnect from the
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  Speaker 3: real person, you know, when you're trying to be that.
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  Speaker 3: But for a very long time I thought I needed
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  Speaker 3: to act a certain way, and I have to say,
• 9:43
  Speaker 3: if I can do a little shout out to her,
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  Speaker 3: Tash Corbyn. I've got a business coach who's like Adhd
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  Speaker 3: and crazy as well, and she's been so good for me.
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  Speaker 3: She's just like, she's amazing. She's making all this money,
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  Speaker 3: but she's a really good person. She's out there doing
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  Speaker 3: good with the world, and she's opened my eyes to
• 9:59
  Speaker 3: just being totally off. She's the least Instagrammy. She's so successful,
• 10:05
  Speaker 3: successful in so many ways, but she's also strange and
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: different but authentic and doing amazing things for the world
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  Speaker 3: and the planet. Anyway, there you go, little not a
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  Speaker 3: little tangent for you all. There's me just falling into
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  Speaker 3: being okay with who I am.
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  Speaker 1: But you're exactly right. I was thinking it before you
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  Speaker 1: said that. You know, the part of the appeal that
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  Speaker 1: is you is that you do. You know, you open
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  Speaker 1: this door on this kind of subject matter that for
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people, me included at times, is pretty
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  Speaker 1: fucking alien and confusing and unfamiliar. But everybody's got genetics,
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  Speaker 1: and everybody's got a body, right, and everybody's got DNA.
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  Speaker 3: You wouldn't be here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody's got to manage their you know, their food
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  Speaker 1: and their lifestyle and their sleep and their genetic potential
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  Speaker 1: and you know, and then when we get somebody who
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  Speaker 1: you know, is at the level that you're at, as
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  Speaker 1: in world class geneticist who understands what you do. But
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  Speaker 1: then you can you know, like what I think is
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  Speaker 1: even though what we're talking about at the start was
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  Speaker 1: just funny bullshit, that really is meaningless. If I was
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  Speaker 1: if I was listening to this show as me and
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  Speaker 1: I'd never heard you or me or TIF, if I
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  Speaker 1: was listening as an outsider with my current knowledge and
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  Speaker 1: all of that, I'd go, that's really fucking clever, right,
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  Speaker 1: because we've got this lady who's a fucking molecular geneticist
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  Speaker 1: or you know, whatever you are, and but oh, she's funny,
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  Speaker 1: she's likable, she's charming. I want to keep listening, right.
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  Speaker 1: And that is analogous to me walking out on a
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  Speaker 1: stage with a bunch of people who don't know me,
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  Speaker 1: and they go, oh, here is another fucking high performance
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  Speaker 1: mind coachy, fucking boring cookie cut, here's another slide, here's
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  Speaker 1: some rah rah, here's an inspirational video. And I go
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  Speaker 1: out there and I do exactly what they don't expect,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And there's stories or there's some laughter, there's
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  Speaker 1: some interaction, there's some arms in the air, there's some
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  Speaker 1: borderline inappropriate references that ninety nine per cent of people
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  Speaker 1: are okay with. And then all of a sudden, before
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  Speaker 1: I've taught them anything or really told them anything, I've
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  Speaker 1: got rapport and I've got connection, and I've got a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of trust, you know, And I think for you,
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  Speaker 1: and I certainly, no, you don't need to be coached
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  Speaker 1: by me, But for what your job. Whereas you know,
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  Speaker 1: you're not always talking to academics or researchers. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: I would think most of the time you're talking to
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  Speaker 1: people who don't know what you know, or nearly all
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  Speaker 1: of the time. Then I think just as important as
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  Speaker 1: what do I know and what can I tell them,
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  Speaker 1: is how do I tell them what I know in
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  Speaker 1: a way which is super fucking interesting and understandable and
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  Speaker 1: also usable? Like can they operationalize something that I'm telling
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  Speaker 1: them today? One? Is it relevant for them too? Do
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  Speaker 1: they understand what the fuck I'm saying? And then three,
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  Speaker 1: what's one or two or three things that based on
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  Speaker 1: what I just told them they can do like now
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  Speaker 1: ish which is going to help them potentially. And I
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  Speaker 1: think you have that, you know, apart from the obvious
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  Speaker 1: is you've got the skills and the knowledge and the
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  Speaker 1: research and the miles on the clock. You've got that
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  Speaker 1: other missing piece that most academics don't have.
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  Speaker 3: Or they've suppressed because they feel that they need to
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  Speaker 3: behave or act in a certain way as I did
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  Speaker 3: for a while, in the sense or trying to trying
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  Speaker 3: to be the professional, trying to be what I imagined in
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  Speaker 3: my mind, a successful professional person would be. Like you
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  Speaker 3: have these thoughts of what a business person is or
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  Speaker 3: what an academic is or you know, so you create
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  Speaker 3: this this image of someone and you think, well, if
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  Speaker 3: I want to be that person, I've got to be
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  Speaker 3: like that. I can't be like me because me is
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  Speaker 3: not that. I can't be both those things. Like, well,
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  Speaker 3: actually we can. You know, I'm still that person. I
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  Speaker 3: don't have to be sort of. I mean, I'm guessing
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  Speaker 3: this is maybe tying into some of the research that
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  Speaker 3: you do, perhaps, Craig, and speaking about coaching, I think
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  Speaker 3: you picked up on a lot with me in the
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  Speaker 3: very early days because we've known each other for so
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  Speaker 3: long and even mentioned about, you know, writing a book
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  Speaker 3: or getting all this stuff out there. You know. I
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  Speaker 3: think next year might be our time, you know, for
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  Speaker 3: us actually doing together. Yeah, just that needed the time
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  Speaker 3: and the space. I feel like next year is just
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  Speaker 3: going to be amazing. I mean, I'm always positive, but
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  Speaker 3: I'm very confident next year is going to be just great.
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  Speaker 3: I've got the time and the space. As I said,
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  Speaker 3: my amazing husband's now home, so he's taking the load,
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  Speaker 3: which is a big step for him. And by the way,
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  Speaker 3: like he I will have to say that is when
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  Speaker 3: you talk about images of people. I think he will
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  Speaker 3: not like me saying this, because he is not the
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  Speaker 3: extrovert at all. He doesn't like me talking about him,
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  Speaker 3: but somehow I always do because I'm always talking. But
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  Speaker 3: it's been a bit of an adjustment for him in
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  Speaker 3: the sense that he was really happy being home, well
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  Speaker 3: really happy in an exaggeration. He was more comfortable being
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: home when the kids were babies, because that's kind of acceptable,
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  Speaker 3: and then he went back to work when the kids
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  Speaker 3: started school. Plus we needed that when I was caring
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  Speaker 3: for Dad, for him to sort of bring in a
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  Speaker 3: bit of money. I didn't have the capacity to work
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  Speaker 3: as much. But now that I'm busy again, it wasn't working.
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  Speaker 3: It just wasn't working, and as it was putting a
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  Speaker 3: lot of tension on us, and then me traveling, and
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  Speaker 3: we don't have family up here. So you know, he's
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  Speaker 3: come home, but I think there's been He doesn't tell
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  Speaker 3: me all of it, but there's been a few things
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  Speaker 3: said to him. You know, there's a couple of blokes
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  Speaker 3: that a lot, you know, mate should be working, you know,
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  Speaker 3: so there's this expectation that he should be out working,
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  Speaker 3: and that is a little bit for I think him
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  Speaker 3: to work through. I mean, he knows the most important
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  Speaker 3: thing is the family. He's so dedicated to us and
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  Speaker 3: the kids. But it is a little bit harder with
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  Speaker 3: the stigma. I think that's the word I'm looking for.
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  Speaker 3: Reality is though, if I was at home still, you know,
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  Speaker 3: my babies are still stells in primary school. You know,
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  Speaker 3: she's only grade two, she'll be grade three next year.
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  Speaker 3: She's eight, and Harry's about to start high school, which
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  Speaker 3: is amazing, but you know they still need us, You
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  Speaker 3: still need a parent. So we're just looking at our
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  Speaker 3: house at the moment. The last few years there's been
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  Speaker 3: no repairs or maintenance because we've been so busy, like
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  Speaker 3: just having someone just to do, especially when you live
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  Speaker 3: on an acre and a half out in the middle
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  Speaker 3: of you know, New Interland. But that's a little bit
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  Speaker 3: sad in some senses, I think for him as well,
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  Speaker 3: even though it's great for us as a family, great
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  Speaker 3: for me. I've now got time to just put energy
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: into the business, explore cool things with you next year, Craig,
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: because I'll be like, great, I've actually got a little
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: bit of space I can do this, I can commit
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: to my passion and my dreams. But the reality is
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: he's then at home, and that is by today's standards
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: and society. You still look frowned upon it, but by
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: some people because there's an expectation that men should be working.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: And I don't think we have to stay home as
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: women anymore. But it's more normal for the mum to
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: be at home with the kids, you know.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I think I mean, yeah, I
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: agree with everything that you said, but I also think
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: you know that he's contributing. It's not like he's sitting
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: at home playing fucking video games. Right, he does a little.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Bit of that, or just throw it. He's totally throw
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: you under the bus there, Ryan, Okay, he'll no, but
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: actually no, him and Harry do like video games. But no,
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: he's doing heaps.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: He is.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: If you've I don't know, are you on LinkedIn at all?
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Do you ever see anything on LinkedIn that is him?
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: If you've noticed that all of a sudden, I'm all
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: over LinkedIn, that's him every day taking He'll take if
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: you're comfortable with it. He's just taking all the stuff
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: he finds online, and he's making skets on LinkedIn. He's
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: reaching out to Mark because I've got a couple of
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: people that work for me underneath his commune dicating with them.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: He's just fixed. He's very organized. He's to manage a
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: company backer in Melbourne. More of that way inclined, so
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: behind the scenes doing things. It's not luck. He doesn't
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: help with the business at all. If anything, he could
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: do more, it's just that I'm a little bit emotionally
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: attached to the business. He wants to do more.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: We'll call that control freek that's what we'll call that.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, but you're right. He's contributing not just to
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: the business but also to us as a family. And
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: I think that's almost one of the most important things,
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: because I am the most successful in getting the best
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: results with my clients and patients or my educational my
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: workshops when I'm in a good place, and that happens
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: when our family is in a good place. You know,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: when you got that tension or in you know that
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: you don't have that stability at home, it's very hard
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: to show up or be as good as you can
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: be when you're dealing with that sort of stress at home.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: It's really interesting because Melissa is, so I have two companies.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: One is just you know, all the corporate stuff that
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I do, So that's a different company. But all of
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: the stuff that comes under the banner of the U Project,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: which is obviously all the podcasts and conferences and workshops
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, that all comes under the banner
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: of that, and that company, which is literally just called
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: the U Project. Melissa owns fifty percent of that if
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: you know that. Yeah, So, but all the goss we're
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: just disclosing all that I'm I've told people. I mean,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I'm happy with that. Like she's When I say to
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: people she's more valuable to the U Project than me,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: they go, oh, so humble of you. I'm like, yeah,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I know that sounds humble. That's not actually humble. That's
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: actually reflective of what is true. Right. And so it's
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: like when we do a conference, the U Project conference,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: or we do let's say we do a U Project
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: event or which just gets called craighap Alive or whatever
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: in Brisbane or wherever I go. Literally everything except the
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: actual speaking Melissa does. So. Melissa builds the page, Melissa
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: books the venue, Melissa comes up with all the dates,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Melissa organizes you know, hotels, afairs. You know, she interacts,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: she answers one fucking million emails. She's like everything that
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: has to be done.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Yep. As I'm a speaker, you know, she's communicating with
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: me for slides or you know, all sorts of things. Yeah, exactly,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: doing all that behind the scenes.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So let's say there's fifty things that go into
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: that event. On the day, she does forty nine of them,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: you know, or maybe forty seven and I do three.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: But she actually works much harder than me and for
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: me to be able, but all of the stuff that
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: she does is unseen to most people. It's unseen. It's
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: you know, and because I'm the mouthpiece and I'm the extrovert,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: and I'm the one on the days showing off and
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: talking bullshit and trying to make people laugh, and you know,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: it's like I create the energy for those three hours,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: but the thousand hours leading up to those three hours
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: is all her. And that's you know. So yeah, I
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: think that people like you and me, who are very
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: public facing, we need at least and Tiff is the same,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: you know, like Tiff as Tiff sits in and doesn't
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: talk most of the time, and you know, records and
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: edits and like, without her, it's the same we do.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Tiff probably does two hundred episodes a
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: year with me, you know, and without her, without Melissa,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: And I'm not I know this sounds cheesy, but it's
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: just true, Like it just wouldn't happen. Like I'm fucking hopeless.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I couldn't do all the stuff that you know. Sometimes
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I'll ring Tiff and go, ah, like there's something that
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I could maybe do and if I could, it would
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: take me an hour and it'd be shit, And she
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: does it in sixty seconds and sends it back to me.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I'm like, there we go. That's why we've got a
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: you and a me, because you're good at shit that
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I'm terrible at. So yeah, I think that, you know,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: whatever capacity, you know, Ryan's kind of supporting you or
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: walking working alongside you. It's it's like you get the
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: glamorous bit, yeah, and it's it's you know, I get it,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: but it's yeah, sometimes they're the ones doing the real grind.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, even when the kids were babies, and
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: initially he used to travel with me, particularly when they
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: were little breastfeeding stuff. He had no choice, but towards
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: the end he just said, I can't travel with you
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: anymore once they're a little bit older. He says, it's
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: just not fun for me being in a hotel room,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: like you're out there, you know, having dinners with people,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: conference dinners, and I'm you know, with the kids. So
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: then he was, you know, staying home and I was
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: traveling on my own. But even the traveling, you know,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: I can say yes to an event. So next year
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: is so busy. We're definitely we've recovered from COVID, Like
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: it's taken a long time for me to really be
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: booked so far in advance, Like before COVID, i'd be
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: booked at least six, if not twelve months ahead for
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: a conference coming that only really this year did things
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: start to pick up. And now next year I'm booked
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: through t October, which is exciting. But almost every month
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: I've got well every month I do have something not international,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: but I've had to say no to a few things,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: which is exciting only because I've had to. I'm not
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: good at saying no, but balancing out, like I'm in
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: New York in feb and then I've got you know,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Europe and the UK, and then I've been asked to
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: go to the UK for something else, and it's already
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: within two months of going to London. It's like, I
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: can't go back to London. But I can only do
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: that because he's at home and that doesn't put pressure
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: on the kids and us, and like you said, with
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: all the tech stuff as well, Like Ryan's always been
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: my tech person. And even when I went to Jubai,
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: I had five talks and he could see that I
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: was kind of flipping out or leave things to the
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: last minute. It's like can I help? And I say, well,
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: can you format all of these slides just done? You know,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: like in a couple of that. And he does things
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: that different his attention to detail because he's a very
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: different personality and he comes from like audio visual background,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: so used to you know, make music, DJ and stuff,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: and so he's really into that. So everything just looks amazing.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, having that little team behind you,
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: but like you said, where the face. So everyone just
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: sees me and there's just an assumption that you know,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: rhymes at home not really doing anything. It's like, actually
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: he's picking up the pieces everywhere with the house, with
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: the kids, with the business, and also, as I said,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: is now has a newfound love of LinkedIn. If anything,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know if you have to put
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: that many videos of me on LinkedIn?
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Ah, tell him this is what I reckon he should
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: do for you. How many followers do you? Can you
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: have a look how many followers Denise has on Instagram?
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: And tell me TIV do you know I have to
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: top your head, doc or you're not off?
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: But I don't do LinkedIn? Oh sorry, I don't do Instagram.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: I do, but he doesn't. Ryan doesn't touch Instagram, doesn't
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: like Facebook. I have a va who does my Instagram.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: But I think we've got a few thousand people.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: You know what I reckon would be good for you?
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Like this to me fucking coaching you in the middle
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: of a show.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Do it?
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Do it?
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I reckon fifteen to thirty second grabs of you saying
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: something profound, no longer than thirty, no shorter than ten.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: You know where You're just telling us something because your
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: your delivery is great. And I mean this with respect.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: You look good, you sound good, your energy is good,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: your content's good. It's like very very like very very good.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Product for that platform, and even though you don't like Instagram,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I mean I would be putting it on both, like
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be one or the other. Like
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: if you've got you know, I've got thirty something thousand
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: on my personal Facebook, similar on my private or business
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: and then thirty two or three on Insta and then
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: a bunch on you.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Know on Instagram. Are you? Are you cool on Instagram? God,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: I'm such a judgmental b arch. I would never have
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: thought you'd before.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, Instagram, I reckon as the best. Like
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I've got I think thirty I don't know, thirty just
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: under thirty three thousand, and that's yeah, yeah, yeah, I
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: probably get more work from Instagram than anywhere. No way,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: definitely definitely.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Are you on TikTok No? Yeah, no, I'm not there either, and.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I am on OnlyFans so with your I podcasts in
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: the dude and yeah, and we just filmed from I'm
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: not going to say it, ah fuck.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Because what's going to happen is I'm going to start
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: talking shit with you because I would bounce off you.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: And I actually even call myself and was like, we're
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: not going to go there.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: We're not going to go there.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Yes, all right here, that's too far.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about your actual work a little bit, you know,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: just before we wrap up after having spoken far from
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: now about nothing in particular. So what's new in the
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: world of you and research? Like, what do you know
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: now that you didn't know a year or two ago.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: What's got your interests, what's got your attention? What are
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: you excited about?
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Oh God, I'm so excited about so many things. So
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: the world is finally changing, I think when it comes
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: to medicine. I mean, what I do has been happening
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: for a long time, but I don't fit the mainstream
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: medical model. When people come and see me, they have
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: to spend a lot of money on testing. You know,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: nothing's covering on Medicare sort of. This integrative medical model
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: is fantastic in the set. Of course, I'm biased and
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: all the genetic testing, but it's just I haven't really
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: been able to see if and when this will integrate.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: But this year has been a game changer. I was
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: in read so I was invited by the Ministry of
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Health of Saudi Arabia and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: to go over to a conference which, by the way,
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: I thought was a scam. I was like, as if,
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: I'm not even going to answer that email, and Lucky
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Ryan was like, I think you should answer this, and
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, it's a scam because I get
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: so many emails to ten conferences and half of them
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: are just your dodgy.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Have you had any sorry to interrupt, Have you had
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: any of those where they invite you to speak and
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: they want you to speak for free or they want
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: you to pay for a spot.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: So that's what I mean when I say I get
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: invited to speak at conferences and their dodgy. So they
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: invite you and then they say, oh, you'll have to
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: pay the registration fee. You know, maybe we can give
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: you one night hotel, but you know we're not covering
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: any expenses. It's just like, why would I becoming number one?
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: What is your conference? So their money? They are people
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: behind the scenes who I think are exploiting those that
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: want to do public speaking or want to be seen.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: So you pay to go over, you pay for for everything,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: and then you can say, you know, I spoke at
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: this event. Now in saying that as an academic, and
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: you probably know this too. Craig as an academic. You know,
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: I did pay even if I was a speaker. You know,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: my organization might pay registration or I wasn't getting a
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: speaker fee because I was employed by the hospital or CSIRO.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: But these were legitimate, big, you know events. These are
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: not big, legitimate events that you know, the top the
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: head of you know whatever. These are private organizations putting
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: on conferences that I think are just trying to make
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: money from them. But yes, I do, I get I
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: get a few of those. And again talking about Ryan
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: being home because he's now seeing all these things come through,
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: is helping my admin with all the emails. He said,
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: you're just ignoring all these conference things. I said, they're dodgy,
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: I said, I said, I just tell FJ unless they
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: actually know something about me or there's certain things. If
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: it's just a random one, I said, we just ignore them.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: We don't have time. But now we've created a template
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: that actually goes back to the person and actually says
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: watch your speaker fee da da da da da da,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: like just all these questions, and then that means we're
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: getting that response. And then when we get the response,
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: we can either just say, you know, we respectfully decline
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: or like with Saudi, I can go, oh, wow, this
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: is actually the real deal, because I would have let
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: it slide like I do all the others. And it
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: was amazing, amazing. I for the first time in my
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: life think I've had true imposter syndrome. And now people
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: talk about that. I think in my world because I've
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: been doing this for so long, and you know, just
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: I could be at any conference and I just feel
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: like I'm in my element. But this was a different
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: kind of event. This was the Global Health Summit. There
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: were politicians and royals and it was huge and it
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: was about changing healthcare. So by two thousand and thirty
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: they want to move to a preventative health model from
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: a reactive. So in Australia, if you get.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: The Saudis, yes, yes, wow, they already do DNA testing already.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: At a population level. So if you're going to get married,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: if you get engaged. Now I'm not saying I agree
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: with this, I'm just sharing information that I learned.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I know what you're about to say. Yeah.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So they have to, by law go and get
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: genetic testing done, and if they are found to have
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: genetic mutations or variations associated with you know, conditions, they
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: can't get married. Apparently, I'm just reallying information that I
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: was heard, but apparently sixty percent of marriages have been stopped.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: The reason that came about, though, is not so much
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: because they want to move to a preventative health model,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: which is what they are moving towards. That is because
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: they actually do have a higher frequency, a higher rate
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: of rare genetic diseases in their population because there's a
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: lot of people coming together and breeding because they want
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: to keep bloodlines and families. So they've realized now that's
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: not okay. So they do have a high risk of
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: certain genetic diseases compared to other populations. So they already
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: have that in place. If you get engaged, you're going
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: to get married, you have to do genetic testing. If
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: a couple has both of these genetic disorders, they are told,
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: you know, well, if you have children, you're going to
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: get these diseases. So that's already happening. But they want
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: to do whole genome sequencing on the entire population, in
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: the sense of doing even like what I do nutral
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: genomics or just looking at chronic disease. I think I
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: think this is where I come in. I'm trying to
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: learn still how I was invited to this prestigious event,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: because there were times that I was like, how the
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: hell am I here? Like do they make a mistake?
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: You know, when people are meeting me, they're like, what
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: do you do? I'm like, Oh, I run a business,
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: And you can see their face light up, and I'm
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: thinking my business is from home, seeing patients online and
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: doing a bit of education. These are people at a
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: very different level to where I'm at.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Well, you could say I'm an award winning medical researcher
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: with a PhD in molecular genetics, or you could say
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: that that's a much better start.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, they actually sent me a couple of lines
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: and I did do it on LinkedIn, though I was
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: quite late. They asked me to do it, you know,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: the second I got the invite and I accepted. But
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: they put me as a global expert, you know, like
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: the world leader in this kind you are, And in
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: all honesty, there's probably not a lot of people that
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: have done what I've done ten years as a scientist
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: and now twelve years as a practitioner actually doing this
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: with patients in the real world. So there's not a
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: lot of us. Mind you. I met other geneticists, clinical
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: geneticists that are still working in a medical practice doing
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: what I do, which was amazing because we don't have
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: that here in Australia just yet. I think it's coming.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: But what it just showed me is so they invested.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: They're investing thirteen a billion, not million billion dollars into
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: changing healthcare. It's genetics AI tech and it's exciting and
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: what we will see in the future. I don't think
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Australia will adopt this as early, but these countries will
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: lead the way and we will start having what I
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: do as a more mainstream approach to identifying are you
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: at risk of cardiovascular disease or type two diabetes or
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: you know where where do we need to optimize your nutrition?
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: What are your genetic strengths and susceptibilities, you know, giving
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: people that information. So we are definitely moving towards it
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: because we have the knowledge. It's just not it's just
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: not part of the medical model here in Australia as yet.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: So that's super exciting everyone.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: It is like I mean, I love it, I love it.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: You know, proactive not reactive preventative, you know, so we're
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: so we're encouraging habits and behaviors and lifestyles and resources
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: that will means we're going to prevent people getting sick
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: versus having, you know, a little health model versus a
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: sickness management model, right, which is what we're currently in
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: trying to manage sickness. But the problem with the current
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: sickness management model that Australians live in is that it's
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: very fucking profitable.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, I mean there's also another issue. I don't necessarily agree,
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: even though I love what they're doing over in the
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Middle East, and by the way, I've been doing a
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: bit of work in Dubai for the last two years.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: It's another exciting thing. It might be a whole other podcast,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: maybe doing some research with universities out in Abudwi and Dubai.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: But the other thing is I don't agree with everyone
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: having their whole genome sequenced. I think it should be
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: a choice. Yeah, because someone like me, maybe someone won't
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: take that information. Knowing that I have the strongest genetic
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: respector for Alzheimer's and dementia, I take that on board
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: and I appreciate knowing that because it gives me a
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: bit of motivation when life is busy and crazy, to
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: just remind myself, this is what you've been dealt. We
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: need to we need to keep this in check. And
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: someone else might actually not react that way. That could
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: be more of a stress, more anxiety. And not everyone
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: wants to make the changes. I mean, this is what
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: you do, Craig. You're there trying to get people to
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: make change. Now. I use genetics for that because I
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: feel like when people understand their DNA, that's, you know,
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: that really helps them feel like they should be doing
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: these things. It's not just generic advice. This is about me.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: I can see that this potentially is really going to
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: help me. But not everyone is wanting to make those
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: changes for whatever reasons. They're not going to change their diet,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: they're not going to exercise, they're not going to you know.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: So it's got to be the people that actually want
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: the information and that are willing or interested in living
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: that particular lifestyle. And that's not everyone.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: And another moral slash ethical question that arises in my
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: little head anyway, is if we're and dating this that
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: everybody has to have it. Now, let's say like your
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: genetic predisposition to Alzheimer's what Let's say you didn't want
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: anyone to know that, and you're very brave and very
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: open and authentic, so you just tell us everything, right,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: including the laser. Thanks for that, But you know, like
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: all and then all of that information is going somewhere.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Who's controlling all of that information and who's controlling the
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: safety of that and you know the privacy of that.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I think there's anyway, let's not get political, but.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: No, there's a lot of stuff around Saudi They only
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: want to do so that level of DNA testing. They
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: do not want that out of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: They don't want anyone else having that data. All this
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: stuff is talked about. They'll bring people like myself in
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: to help with that foundation, educating them on these risk factors,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: the genetics to look for for chronic disease. But they
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: want everything in house within their country. They don't want anything,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: you know, so nothing. They do not want any of
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: their data potentially being accessed or breached by anyone else. So,
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: and it's a very important question in the sense of
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: well what happens if someone does get this information. So
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: things are changing in Australia for those of you who've
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: had DNA testing, or if you're thinking about it, or
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: if you had it and this wasn't explained to you.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Because even back in the day when I did research
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: and we were doing genetic testing on all of our
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: patients in the recurrent miscarriage clinic or the hardest clinic,
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: trying to work out, you know, was there a genetic
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: component to the stillbirth or the preclamsy or whatever it was.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: We I wasn't told then that this information legally back
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: then has changed. But back then, if you had done
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: any genetic testing and you want to get life insurance,
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: you had to disclose that you'd had genetic TIS testing
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: done and potentially, depending what was in that, it could
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: affect your life insurance. So that's also a huge problem.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Thankfully it's taken a long time. That is no longer
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: the case in Australia, and part of that has always
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: been around, well, if that's the case, you're you're going
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: to prevent people doing research, us learning improving what we
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: know with genetics if it's going to basically hinder people
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: or it's going to have some sort of negative effect
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: on them. So things were changed a few years ago.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: For example, if you had the brackagenes, you still could
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: get life insurance up which is associated with breast cancer
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: up to a certain amount like five hundred thousand, but
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: not the higher amounts. But now it's all changed. You
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: don't have to disclose that. Yeah, so things are changing
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: around privacy with DNA testing and genetics. In Europe, it's
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: always been much more for the consumer. So in Europe,
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: you know, they can't discriminate, they can't use that information.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: But in Australia it was a little bit different. The
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: other thing is a lot of people have just given
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: their DNA away. They've gone and done twenty three and
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: me they've gone and done ancestry and they're like, great
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: for one hundred bucks on ninety bucks, I can get
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: all of this stuff done. They don't read the consent form.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: They don't realize that all their information is their things
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: at one point were being sold to pharmaceutic companies. I
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: mean it should all be what we call de identified,
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: like what you would do with your research prey. You know,
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: we're not using personal details, but it's there. And I
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: think twenty three meters had a breach. But a lot
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: of people have given their data away, just like they
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: do on social media, and probably don't understand the consequences
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: potentially to that. But it's changing as we are moving
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: towards this as a potentially more conventional approach. I think
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: the regulations, the laws will get stronger and stricter to
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: protect us so that it can't come back and cause
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: any issues. But yeah, these are things that we almost
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: need to be in sort of catch up mode because
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: it's happening so quickly, and people have jumped in head first,
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: as I said to online DNA testing companies without seeing
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: a practitioner, without really knowing what they're doing, and having
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: their lots of people have done whole I have patients
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: that come to me that have done whole genome sequencing.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Now it can be done for less than one thousand dollars,
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: And then I have to say to them, I can't
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: interpret that you need to hold buy informatics team, you
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: need someone else, like unless I was still in a
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: lab and this was my assessment. But sometimes people don't
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: even really know what they're signing up for and what
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: they're getting, and they spend money and they don't even
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: know how to use the information.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: And what would that have cost twenty years ago two
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: hundred grand.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, it wouldn't have even been available to the everyday person.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: More than that, I would say, back in my do
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: in the olden days, when I used to don my
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: lab coat and do PCA and sequencing and DNA testing,
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: I used to test one snip that means one ale,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: one little base pair change in a gene at a time.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: So in the ten years I was in the lab,
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: we went from doing you know, one snip to you
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: could do hundreds on like a snip chip and micro
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: rays and all sorts of things. But it's come so far,
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, nagin doing the whole whole genome and stuff.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, it's it's definitely a lot more affordable,
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: a lot quicker. But the issue at the moment today
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five, I'm guessing this will
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: come out next year, seeing we are only the way
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: Merry Christmas. Everyone is like Christmas basically, right, Merry Christmas.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: It's that it's the interpretation that's that's the biggest thing
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: at the moment, is about interpreting the information correctly. That's
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: where we need to do a lot of work.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Right now, what are the chances TIF of doing two
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: back to back podcasts completely coincidentally with Geneticists. We just
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: did we just yeah, we just did an episode just
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: before You, Denise with a guy called doctor Bill Sullivan.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: I'll read you a bit of his bio. He's the
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: author of Please to Meet Me, Jeans, Germs, and the
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Curious Forces that make Us who we are. He's an
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: award winning professor at the Indiana University School of Medicine,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: where he studies and teachers genetics and infectious diseases. Received
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: his PhD in CELA molecular biology from University of Pennsylvania.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. He's been on CNN and Bloody a
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Million TV. Yeah, and you guys are You're different but
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: in the same wheelhouse.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah cool, I'll have to listen to that one. You
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: can connect us, Craig.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, you would love him. He's In fact, I
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: thought after I got off the call with doctor Bill,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I thought, what would be a stellar chat would be
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: an hour and a half with both of you. Yeah,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: because you'd want to ask him stuff, he'd want to
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: ask you stuff. I could just get myself a coffee,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: sit in the bean bag. TIF could just play with
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: her fucking animals, and then we'd just come back eighty
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: minutes later and see how the both of you have gone.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, and then just you know, do a little
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: bit of editing. That would be awesome. I would love it.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: As I said, I was so excited when I was
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: in Read to meet these other geneticists because here in Australia,
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: my people, if I'm going to put it like that,
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: you know, with this integrated medicine community mainly GPS or naturopaths.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm on the faculty education faculty with ACNUM,
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: SO with the Australian College of Nutrition Environmental Medicine, so
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: we teach. I teach genetics epigenetics to used to be
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: mainly GPS or doctors wanting to bring this into clinic
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: because some do more so these days, even naturopaths, nutritionists,
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: but there's not a lot of geneticists they are actually
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: doing this. I'm teaching doctors and practitioners how to do it.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: So I was so excited when I went to Read
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: that I was with other geneticists that had been trained
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: in genetics that were also taking this on board. Because
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: when I was in my bubble of academia. I didn't
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: even know this was happening in the world. And I
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: am sure that we've discussed this on an earlier podcast,
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: but I gave a talk for ACNEM was twenty and twelve,
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: twenty eleven, and I said, I think we're ready for
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: this in clinical practice. You know, we had an eighty
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: percent success rate in the recurrent miscarriage clinic. And that
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: wasn't just genetics. You know, there was a team, we
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: had sonographers looking for structural abnormalities in uterus. You know,
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: there's a whole team of people. But we had great success.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: The genetics was a huge part of it, identifying certain things.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: And I said, you know, we should be doing this
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: out in the real world, not just in a research sense.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: And they kind of, you know, link my arm after
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: I've finished the presentation and they take me out and
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: there we go. When we're looking at all the sponsors,
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: three of them are genetic testing companies, and it was
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: already happening. And in my little world, I thought only
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: did this in a research sense. I had no idea
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: there were commercial companies and people could just do DNA testing,
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: which was great because I ended up obviously leaving and
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: then becoming a practitioner myself, and now I use places
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: like this because I don't have a lab anymore. But
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: that's the interesting thing. When you are an academic, you
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: just don't know that these things are actually happening in
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: the real world. So yeah, it was exciting to meet
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: other geneticists that were embracing this and people saying to me,
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: you know clinical geneticists that still run medical genetics clinics
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: and going, oh, methylation is so important, and they're bringing
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: this in medical model that they are truly bringing it together. Exciting.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: I don't want to get in trouble with any GPS,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: but GPS are correct me if you think I'm wrong.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: But largely trained in treating and managing sickness, not in
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: promoting health per se. I mean they do, but indirectly, right, so,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: which is that's what they're trained for. But obviously integrated
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: medicine and preventative medicine is a different models to spend.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Their own money, their own time, investing in themselves in
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: different ways, and many of them, you know, it's it's hard.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: It's hard for some of these doctors. Some of them,
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: for example, my mentor, he's just such a he's in
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: his eighties, still working as a GP at the clinic
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: that you know, Craig down the road from you where
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: I used to be. He's up for the fight, you know,
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: in the sense of he'll he'll, he'll go up against
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: the medical board and things like that. But sometimes these things,
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: like you know, nutritional medicine was based was sort of
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: classified as complementary medicine. At one point, gps were potentially
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: losing their medical license for practicing complementary medicine or not
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: not doing exactly what the guidelines say. So for some
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: of these gps, not only is it money and time
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: to learn about nutrition, environmental toxins, the impact of stress,
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: the impact of genetics, you know that, they're also putting
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: themselves on the radar as well. So it's but things
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: are changing. Someone called Penny cold to Cott and a
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: huge team of people but led the way with you know,
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: working with the politicians the medical boards to try to
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: protect integrative doctors and also try to, I guess show
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: the differences between evidence based you know, what we do,
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: which is based on science, compared to sometimes some other
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: things that may not be so safe. A lot of
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: that been put in place now so there's a little
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: bit more protection. But at one point doctors were losing
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: their license pretty quickly if they were doing things that
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: were seen to be outside the scope. So that's that's
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: a bit sad, but that's because there's a model exactly
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: like what you said. It's based on, you know, waiting
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: for that diagnosis, that pharmaceutical model give those medications. And
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: I think it'll be quite a while before it changes
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: here in Australia, but it is happening.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: I think also people perhaps maybe they realized, but they
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: probably don't think a lot that doctors are not trained
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: in nutrition. Doctors are not trained in exercise, prescription, doctors
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: are not trained in a lot of these things which
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: are just fundamentals of health, you know. And imagine if
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: we had a medical training paradigm where people go in
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: to do medicine and before we throw drugs, depending of
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: course on the issue or the condition, but imagine if
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: the first strategy was changing food, or was addressing sleep,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: or was addressing you know, exercise or movement or you know,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: all of these other things before we just start chucking
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: drugs at it. Now, I know that's not appropriate for
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: every condition, you know, but there are a lot of
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: conditions where you know, maybe the starting point is not
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: a drug. Maybe the starting point is that you have
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: lest you know, you've got anxiety. Let's cut out caffeine,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Let's cut out nicotine. Let's try and get some sleep.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Let's do some movement, because we know that that promotes,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: you know, dopamine and turns on your parasympathetic nervous system
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: and will calm you down potentially depends, you know, Let's
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: do some other shit that's going to change what's happening
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: in your body biochemically before we go. Well, here's a
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: pill that doesn't actually fix anything. It just changes a
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: symptom temporarily, you know.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: And then when you exercise, then you're more likely to
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: drink more water, and like you said, it affects that
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: parasympathetic system, so they're a bit calmer, they might sleep
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: better often after exercise. You might then choose a healthier food.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: Like it's this kind of positive vicious cycle whereas you know,
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: getting them out of those habits and exactly what you said, Craig,
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: the medications. Although I'm not anti medication, you know, I've
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: had graves. Being on medication saved my life. You know,
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: I love the integrative model where we are utilizing this
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: you know this, the medicines and the pharmaceuticals that are
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: out there, because it can actually be life saving. And
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: I think medicine is amazing with emergency medicine, but when
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: it comes to the chronic health conditions, it's not working.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: And we can say it without me bagging any doctors.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: They are amazing GPS, even those that aren't even integrated.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: You know, they're working their butts off. They've only got
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: two seconds. Of course I'm exaggerating, but you know, two
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: seconds to see each patient deal with all this stuff.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: But the reality is these medications are fixing a symptom
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: like blood pressure medication so well, you know, we can
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: actually do so much and in most cases you probably
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: could turn around that hypertension through diet and lifestyle. I
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: mean with mine, I was told you'll never recover for
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: an autoimmune disease. You have to have your thire removed
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: or radioactive eye died, can't be near your baby, can't
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: be near your husband, can't go through traveling and all
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: these things. And you're like, that doesn't sound good. You
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: know I'm going to be radioactive. I can't be him
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: a child, and then we can give you hormone. It's okay,
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: because we can treat you. We've actually got something to
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: give you. It's fine. We can give you hormones and
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: replace what your thyroid does and you'll be okay. It's
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: actually common for women. It's fine. And you're like, that
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: does not sound fine, and so many people don't have.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: I guess the background that I had and the support
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: again from my husband to question that, because when I
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: did question it, and we've definitely talked about this before,
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: but when we did question it, the endocrinologist said, well,
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: you'll die early, you won't have any more children. You know.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: I'm leaving in tears. Came home just crying, an absolute mess,
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: saying to Ryan, I just just doesn't feel right. I
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: don't want to go down this path. And he came
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: with me to the next appointment. We asked for a
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: second opinion. We then see another top end of chronologist
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: who says, oh, no, I would never do that for
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: a reproductive age woman. He said, you'll stay on medication
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: anti thire medication. Then once you've had a child, because
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: you've had aggressive graves and you won't recover. So Simil
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: a message, but different treatment. He said, we will remove
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: your thyroid or you'll have the radiodivider after you've finished
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: having your children, because if we do this now, it'll
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: affect your fertility. An you're thinking, these are mainstream doctors,
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: evidence based giving me different information. It's crazy, But I recovered,
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: as you know. I mean, that was really my path
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: into integrative medicine as well. And I'm so blessed that
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: I do understand genetics and ne epigenetics, because I thought,
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: this doesn't make sense. You know, we're not stagnant beings
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: just because you get a diagnosis right now, you've got
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: diabetes or hypertension or on autoimmune disease, something's triggered. That
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: was it stress virus, nutrient deficiencies, genetic susceptibility. It's likely
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: it was all of them. It's never just one thing,
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: you know, lots of things have to come together for
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: you to have that perfect storm and then get really sick.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: And depending on what manifests, that foundation is your genetics.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: So for me, I have all the genes for Graves disease,
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: the autoimmune staff, I've got the HLA's with celia. I
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: don't have celiac, but you know, there's a lot of
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: things that are sort of all linked in that autoimmune stuff,
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: mind you, fertility stuff no surprise, you know, babies and
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: no ivf isshues or whatever. It's a strong point for me.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: But we all have these sort of strengths and these
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: susceptibilities and predispositions, and if we're not living a certain
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: kind of lifestyle, you know, a disconnection from our genetics
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: and what our body needs. We can get sick. That's
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: our body telling us something's wrong. But that's not a
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: forever state. You don't stay sick forever. That's it unless
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: you keep doing the same thing. If you change that environment,
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: you change your diet, you change your exposures, you get
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: out of that toxic relationship that whatever it is. You know,
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: all the things that are coming in that are triggering
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: all those negative effects. You change all that, you're going
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: to get a different response. Now, I can't say to
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: every single person you'll totally recover, but I can guarantee
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: you'll get much much better. Depending on the level of
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: damage to your body or certain tissues, you might still
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: have to rely on a medication or there might be
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: some thing, but you can one hundred percent get well
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: and in extreme cases, I've even heard from a practitioner,
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: a functional medicine doctor in the US, someone that had
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: their thyroid removed it actually grew back. So yes, so
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: you know, the body's pretty amazing. I mean, we even
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: just talking to my mother in law this morning about
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: angiogenesis like the creation of new blood vessels because she's
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: got a blockage and deciding whether she has surgery and
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: going through all that with her and letting her know
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: how much the body can heal and are if you're
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: putting the right things in. But for everyone listening, you know,
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: even if you are on a there's nothing against medication.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: You might need it to save your life. If you
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: are experiencing something really severe, maybe it's a temporary fix
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: while you then you know a bit of symptom relief,
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: try to start to think about, well, what is going on,
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: what got me here? And then what can I do
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: to start to pull me out of this? And you
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: may actually find that, you know, you're no longer reliant
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: on medication to have a diagnosis, because that is fact
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: that you are not just the same person forever in
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: a day, we're constantly evolving. You sells all that stuff.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: So yesh, yeah, I love it, and I always encourage
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: people to, you know, not with anything drastic, but do
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: your own research. And what I mean by that is,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: you know, try something like if you don't walk, then
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: do thirty minutes of walking a day for thirty days
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: and see what happens. Or you know, really common miight
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: I've done with at least. I actually did this on
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: sen which is a radio station in Melbourne that I
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: may or may not have talked to you on once,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: but yes we did. Yeah, I did a project with
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: listeners and we had a couple of hundred get involved,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure half of them dropped out. But so
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: I did a show then called the High Performance Show,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: and I said, I was talking about this idea, and
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: the idea, it's the simplest idea ever, is just don't
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: drink any calories for a month. Right, So that's the
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: only change. So eat what you normally eat. Let's just
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: change one thing, but all of the calories that you take.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: And it's funny because I spoke to many people who
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: have I would say most people have between five hundred
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: and one thousand calories a day of liquid. If you
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: add up like a fruit juice here and there, or
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: a couple of coffees or a beer or a whatever
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: milk on their thing or you know. And then so
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: I spoke to a guy who had we figured out
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: it was about nine hundred a day, and you go, well,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: that's twenty seven thousand calories in a thirty day period
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: on top of your food, like, on top of your meals.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: That's twenty seven thousand calories. And when you realize that
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: three and a half thousand calories equates to a pound
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: of fat, or seventy seven hundred calories equates to a
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: kilo of stored fat, because fat's just energy, blah blah
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: blah whatever. Right, I know it's not exactly that, but
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: just the idea of saying, well, let's remove twenty seven
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: thousand calories, keep your food the same, keep your movement
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: the same, keep your lifestyle the same. So that guy
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: did that and lost just over four k's And he
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: didn't exercise anymore, he didn't eat any less, but he
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: lost over four k's. Yeah, it's amazing. It's amazing that
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: you can. You know, you don't need to be Denise,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: you don't need to be me. You don't need to
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: be a bloody physician. You can say, all right, well,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: what I'm going to go from four coffee in the
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: day to one and I'll just see what happens. Well,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do strength training twice a week for
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: forty five minutes, and that's the only change. But I'm
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: not going to do it for three weeks. I'm going
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: to give up. I'm going to do it for six months,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: two days a week, no matter what, and then see
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: what happens. You know, it's like we can run our
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: own experiments in an intelligent, safe.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: Way and it's never too late. I remember when my
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: dad was still here, and you know, he was a smoker. Well, eventually,
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: in the end he wasn't a smoker because he couldn't
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: go and buy himself cigarettes. But while he still could
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: buy him self cigarettes, I was sort of suggesting that maybe,
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: seeing that he was having a lot of lung problems
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: and breathing problems, he should stop smoking. And he said,
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: I said, oh, it's too late for me, even spoke
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: to the cardiologist. Whatever, it doesn't matter now, I said, actually, Dad,
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: in a year's time, it'd almost have bloody, brand new
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: lungs like you know those cells are going to die
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: and to get new ones. Even with our liver, I've
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: had people say to me, I've kind of drunk my
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: whole life, or I took drugs when I was young.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: This it's like, no, no, no, Your liver regenerates really quickly.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: We can take a biopsy out of chunk and it
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: will grow back pretty quickly. So you start putting the
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: good nutrients in plenty of water, doing the right things,
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: those old cells die and then you get new cells
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: that are healthier. So it is never ever too late.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: And I know, you know, I'm not sure what you
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: think about this, but kind of rounding off, I know
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: you've got I've got one more patient and then that's
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: it for Christmas. I wasn't going to work today, but
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: of course we love our business. We fit everything in
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: and you've got one other person. But new Year's goals.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: I know, it's sort of one of those things you think, oh,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: you know, new Year's resolutions or goals. But one thing,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: like you said, Craig, one small thing, because often that
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: one positive thing, if you can nail, that will lead
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: into something else, and it'll lead into something else. But
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: just and super simple doesn't have to be complicated, a
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: whole overhaul, just choosing one thing. So for me, everyone,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: I'm putting this out there because it helps. For me.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: It's committing to the gym. Even though I have a
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: full set up at home, I don't use it. I
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: have to go to the gym, and I tend to
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: prioritize everything else. Even this week meeting to the US
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: in the morning, patients fitting them in, and it was
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: a sign from the universe because the US meeting got canceled.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: Something happened in the lab that I was meant to
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: meet another one patient's results wasn't ready. I was like,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: I've pushed the gym aside to fit in these really
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: early morning meetings, trying to help people out, and they're
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: getting canceled anyway. So one thing, one thing, and for me, everyone, exercise.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: Next time you see me. I'm going to be fit.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: I'm getting my muscles back doing as everyone.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: All right, Tell everybody how they can find you and
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: connect with you. Not that you need any more business
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: or any more work, but no.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: Tell everyone, I have thirty thousand people like you on Instagram.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: If you're on Instagram, make me cool, join me on Instagram.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: I do my amazing assistant put stuff up there. So
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: if there's events or I have a Facebook group, I
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: pop in and I answer questions. We hang out. So
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: it's your Genes and Nutrition community. If you're a practitioner GP,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: you know, registered practitioner. I have launched the Precision Health
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: Academy where I'm now teaching genetics epigenetic stuff. It's like
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: the most exciting thing in my life right now. But yeah,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: and I will be seeing a lot more of you
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five. Tiff Craig and Melissa, I know
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: you're listening there somewhere in the background.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Well, we're very excited. I'm excited to discover what the
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: intersection of your work and my work might be in
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: the book that we're going to write next year. So
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: we'll say goodbye for now. We'll say goodbye fair in
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: a minute, doctor Denise, doctor Tiff, thanks for your time. Bye,