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Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, January 14 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Thursday, January fourteen. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour is presented by the c s I Companies.
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  Speaker 1: And now a guy who was once actually photographed getting
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  Speaker 1: off an airplane j P. It wasn't a plane like
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  Speaker 1: that though. Welcome in Jaguars Happy Hour, presented by the
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  Speaker 1: c s I Companies, j P. Shadrick, Jeff Flagerman, Bucky Brooks.
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  Speaker 1: Coming up, We've got a big show today as urban
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  Speaker 1: Meyer Watch continues. Nothing official from the Jaguars as of yet,
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  Speaker 1: but plenty of media reports and photographs at certain air
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  Speaker 1: fields of a certain former college head coach in town today.
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  Speaker 1: We'll discuss it all coming up. Talk of facilities upgrades
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  Speaker 1: as part of that. Part of the reporting today involved
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  Speaker 1: in Urban Meyer's uh conversations with the Jaguars could be
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  Speaker 1: of facilities upgrades, staffing reports who could be on the
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  Speaker 1: coaching staff. And then we have a second hour of
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour on the network at five o'clock today.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Loghman in with us. And a lot going on
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  Speaker 1: around Jacksonville today and a lot of it has to
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  Speaker 1: do with a former bowling green Utah, Florida, Ohio state
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  Speaker 1: head coach. You mean the guy that's one everywhere, has
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  Speaker 1: been everywhere. Yeah, that's pretty good, right. I mean, he's
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  Speaker 1: one of the most successful college coaches of all time,
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  Speaker 1: as record supports that. And UH, when you're an organization
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  Speaker 1: that has not been able to change the culture and
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  Speaker 1: become a winner, then you try to find somebody that
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  Speaker 1: can change that culture. And does urban Meyer fit that billing. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta have, I think with the head coach, great
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  Speaker 1: leadership ability, and he clearly has that, otherwise he would
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  Speaker 1: not have the broad success that he's had at different
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  Speaker 1: levels of program. And you're talking about Florida that uh
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  Speaker 1: was a pretty much a perennial winner, and he brought
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  Speaker 1: him back to sustain winning. He built the program and
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  Speaker 1: Bowling Green that was JP. It was Bowling Green right
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  Speaker 1: for heaven sake, and winning there and then goes to
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State and re establishes Ohio State as part of
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  Speaker 1: the national championship conversation year in a year out. So
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  Speaker 1: he's had great success and and I hope he can
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  Speaker 1: bring the same to here. And I hope he's tired.
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  Speaker 1: Let's hope. So obviously with the media reports today and
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  Speaker 1: the cameras following around. He's around the building and from
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  Speaker 1: the last reports the negotiations continue, but uh, he's around.
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  Speaker 1: I'll say that. Well, I mean, nothing's done until it's done.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the inks you gotta get get dry. But
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  Speaker 1: he's not here for no reason. So it's not a
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  Speaker 1: joy ride today. Yeah, you know. But then again, like
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  Speaker 1: I said, until the inca is dry, you never know.
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  Speaker 1: And and it's so I think there will be I
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  Speaker 1: think a little bit of I don't want to say
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  Speaker 1: a split emotion about the hiring of Vermin because there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of Florida fans that weren't happy when he
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  Speaker 1: left Florida, but if he were still at Florida, they
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  Speaker 1: would love him probably. I mean, so, I think there's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be a segment of people that that are going
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  Speaker 1: to be like, oh, urban, no, we don't want him.
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  Speaker 1: But then I think the majority of the people are
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  Speaker 1: going to recognize that he's one of the best coaches
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  Speaker 1: in football and are gonna be extremely excited to have him.
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  Speaker 1: Thirty two is a head coach the third best winning
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  Speaker 1: percentage in major college football history, trailing only Newt Rockney
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  Speaker 1: and Frank Lahy, which is amazing win percentage and with
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  Speaker 1: saying that it's also a different game in the pros
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  Speaker 1: and that you you cannot out recruit in the pros,
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  Speaker 1: you have salary cap constraints. It's a it's a little
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  Speaker 1: different game, but it's still once you strip away a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the differences, it's still football at its core,
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  Speaker 1: and football needs great leadership and uh and I think
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  Speaker 1: that he can provide that. And and so I think
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be if, if it happened, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna make the Jaguars a part of the conversation with
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  Speaker 1: Urban Meyers the coach. But then you have to be
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  Speaker 1: able to make the Jaguars a part of the conversation
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  Speaker 1: because you're winning. After that point, I gotta win. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, this is one of those It feels like
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  Speaker 1: somebody saw everybody's been following Twitter today, of course, and
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  Speaker 1: everything that's been going on around this, and somebody made
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  Speaker 1: a good point today that I saw it kind of.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was Daniel Jeremiah. Actually, um, I mean
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't me. No, it wasn't you, Because you're such
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  Speaker 1: a prolific tweeter. Let me tell you, I'm pretty press right,
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  Speaker 1: he said, it felt to him almost like a Jimmy
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  Speaker 1: Johnson to the Cowboys moment, because that was almost a
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  Speaker 1: clean slate. They did a bunch of drafting and really
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  Speaker 1: started from the bottom in Dallas to build that thing up.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what it feels like is gonna happen here
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  Speaker 1: because the first overall pick, new coach, new GM coming
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  Speaker 1: in UH, an owner that wants to spend and do
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  Speaker 1: it the right way. It has that feeling. I think
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  Speaker 1: Daniel made a pretty good point. I think it's a
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  Speaker 1: good point, and and I was fortunate enough to be
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  Speaker 1: able to kind of watch the Jimmy Johnson to Dallas
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing, UH with a little bit of a
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  Speaker 1: front row seat because when I was a player at
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  Speaker 1: the East West Shrine Game, Jimmy Johnson at that time
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  Speaker 1: was the coach of the Miami Hurricanes, and so he
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  Speaker 1: was one of our all star coaches then and eventually
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  Speaker 1: he gets hired soon after that to become the coach
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  Speaker 1: for Jerry Jones, the new owner of the Dallas Cowboys,
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  Speaker 1: and Jerry I thought made a great decision hiring Jimmy Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: and Jimmy changed the culture. I got a lot of
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  Speaker 1: good friends that played for Jimmy in those early years,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Stepanowski, Daryl Johnston. I mean, they all rave about
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  Speaker 1: about Jimmy Johnson, and uh, he didn't have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of draft picks when he walked in the door. He
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  Speaker 1: garnered quite a few of them because they were able
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  Speaker 1: to trade herschel Walker, which was a huge blockbuster trade
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  Speaker 1: which allowed the Dallas Cowboys to really select players to
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  Speaker 1: help them win. That gave Jimmy a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: an advantage because if you go back and you look
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  Speaker 1: at the the players that he picked with the with
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  Speaker 1: the picks that were acquired from the herschel Walker trade,
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  Speaker 1: it was it was literally cornerstone type player after cornerstone
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  Speaker 1: type player, and that made a big difference in the
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  Speaker 1: success of the Dallas Cowboys. So this offseason and building
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  Speaker 1: the base of the organization and free agency in the
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  Speaker 1: draft obviously quite important. Again, nothing official yet from the
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars today on Urban Meyer, but he is around. Negotiations continue,
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  Speaker 1: That's what has been reported. That's what is happening, and
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  Speaker 1: we're discussing it here on Jaguars Happy Hour presented by
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  Speaker 1: the c s I companies. You know, the College to
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  Speaker 1: pro thing. We've seen it works some for some guys
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  Speaker 1: and not work so well for others. Um, there's only
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  Speaker 1: been three coaches that have won a National championship and
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  Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. Jimmy Johnson's one of those, Barry Switzer
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  Speaker 1: is another, and then he Carroll is the third. Some
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  Speaker 1: would say that Barry Switzer doesn't really count because he
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  Speaker 1: won it with Jimmy's team, but I mean, the simple
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  Speaker 1: fact is he did win it, and Pete Carroll was
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  Speaker 1: able to do it. So it hasn't been There hasn't
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  Speaker 1: been a lot that have done it. But I think
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  Speaker 1: the most important thing is that if you look at
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  Speaker 1: the former college coaches that have made I mean I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about really good former college coaches that have made
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  Speaker 1: the move to the NFL, there may not have been
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  Speaker 1: these this great success rate, but here's the thing, there
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  Speaker 1: hasn't been a large failure rate. I mean if you
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  Speaker 1: look at it from that standpoint, because the reality is
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  Speaker 1: is that it's also about the Jimmy's and the Joe's
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  Speaker 1: as well as the xs and os and coaching matters.
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  Speaker 1: But you still have to have the top shelf players
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  Speaker 1: to be able to help get you to that type
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  Speaker 1: of performance. And so herban Meyer is just like any
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  Speaker 1: other coach and from the standpoint of he needs to
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  Speaker 1: have good players to win, and I think there are
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  Speaker 1: coaches that can have good players and they don't win,
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think irban Meyer is going to be
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  Speaker 1: anywhere close to that. So now, and here's the other thing, JP,
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  Speaker 1: why wouldn't you want to have one of the most
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  Speaker 1: successful college coaches of all time and find out if
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  Speaker 1: he can transfer that success to the pro game. For me,
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  Speaker 1: it's a it's a lot better when you're trying to
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  Speaker 1: do it from the standpoint of, Hey, we want to
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  Speaker 1: establish winning quickly and winning quickly now to say, let's
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  Speaker 1: take it's not as much of a leap of faith
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  Speaker 1: to do it with a guy like a Ramier who
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  Speaker 1: has proven that he's done it at the collegiate level
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  Speaker 1: as it is per se trying to do it with
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  Speaker 1: all these hot assistant coaches in the National Football League
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  Speaker 1: that are considered hot commodities. I think that's uh would
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  Speaker 1: be a very tough thing to do and try to
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  Speaker 1: forecast success with some of those guys that are position
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  Speaker 1: coaches or coordinators now at some other NFL team, thinking
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  Speaker 1: that they can be had or have the great success
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  Speaker 1: that Urban wars At at the pro game. Urban, of course,
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  Speaker 1: one of the innovative offensive minds in college football over
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  Speaker 1: the last years or so, starting that spread offense, really
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  Speaker 1: growing it and developing it into a system that took
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  Speaker 1: over the SEC in Florida and then spread out to
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  Speaker 1: other places in college football. And now it's it's creeping
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  Speaker 1: into the NFL, which is you know, in the old days,
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  Speaker 1: you'd think, okay, NFL pro style, if you have this
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  Speaker 1: kind of quarterback, it won't work in the NFL. Well,
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  Speaker 1: now you have entire organizations that are shifting over to
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  Speaker 1: college philosophies that are now creeping into the NFL. More
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  Speaker 1: and more and more teams are are using a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the things that he was doing about fifteen years ago,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of the same type of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And here here's the crazy thing. For for a long time,
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  Speaker 1: it was it was thought that the college stuff couldn't
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  Speaker 1: be applied to the National Football League because you have
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  Speaker 1: to have a running quarterback, because that's the entire basis
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  Speaker 1: of the system that you see in college, and that
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  Speaker 1: the quarterback can be a dominant threat as a runner.
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  Speaker 1: It's a numbers game to write a number of the
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  Speaker 1: defense as the quarterback instead of now just being ignored,
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  Speaker 1: now has to be counted as a potential ball carrier,
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  Speaker 1: which allows one other person that's not carrying the ball
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  Speaker 1: to be a blocker. And that's where the numbers game is.
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  Speaker 1: And heck, if if Nick Foles is still running some
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  Speaker 1: of the read option and Nick Foles might be the
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  Speaker 1: absolute opposite of what you would think might be able
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  Speaker 1: to run or to be a running quarterback if he
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  Speaker 1: can do it, and the principles are working for a
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  Speaker 1: guy like a Nick Foles or even uh for example,
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  Speaker 1: or Tom Brady who fakes a handoff and it's a
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  Speaker 1: read option type principle, it can work for anybody. And
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  Speaker 1: we know that Tom Brady is not going to run anywhere,
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  Speaker 1: but that's a little bit of an exaggeration, but you
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  Speaker 1: get my point, and that you don't have to have
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  Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson to run some of these college principles and
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  Speaker 1: make them success at the NFL level. NFL coaches have
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  Speaker 1: taken it and applied it at the NFL level, and
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  Speaker 1: they've also done it a little differently, and that they're
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  Speaker 1: obviously the quarterbacks not keeping the ball as much, but
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  Speaker 1: the threat still exists that the quarterback Ken run the football.
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  Speaker 1: Curious to see obviously that the coaching staff around if
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  Speaker 1: urban Meyer is finalized at some point either today tomorrow,
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  Speaker 1: the coaching staff that he would decide to bring in
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  Speaker 1: with him. There are reports of on the defensive side
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  Speaker 1: of the ball already of Charlie Strong, maybe as a
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  Speaker 1: defensive coach of some kind. They haven't really reported what.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen many offensive names linked yet, but I'm curious,
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  Speaker 1: you know, would he have a play caller, would he
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  Speaker 1: be involved in that or is he more of a
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  Speaker 1: CEO type? And I think we'd find out a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot more whenever it's announced and whenever he speaks to
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  Speaker 1: the media for the first time. Yeah, that's uh, let's
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  Speaker 1: get to the point where it's announced first. And that's right.
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  Speaker 1: We can we can speculate all day, and as people
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  Speaker 1: have been speculating about that, I don't think it's very productive.
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  Speaker 1: But but I do know that the college game is
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  Speaker 1: different than the progame. The playbook for colleges maybe that
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  Speaker 1: thick and I'm basically putting my two fingers together for
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  Speaker 1: those on radio, about half an inch part, whereas the
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  Speaker 1: pro game it might be two inches thick. And so
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  Speaker 1: it's a little bit different. I think the coverages are
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more sophisticated, and for a couple of reasons.
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  Speaker 1: For for one, this is a job, and you can
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  Speaker 1: expect players at the NFL level to assimilate the information
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  Speaker 1: and uh and be ready to go with it. And
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  Speaker 1: because it's their job, that's the only thing they're studying.
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  Speaker 1: They're not having to worry about biochemistry or calculus, or
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  Speaker 1: anthropology or JP in your case, the history of art
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  Speaker 1: or the history of circuits. So you know those classes
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  Speaker 1: you took out Alabama, so uh, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: And so that now they can just read a playbook.
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  Speaker 1: But it's definitely a little bit more complex and and
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot more put on quarterbacks at the National
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  Speaker 1: Football League level, at least the ones that have been
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  Speaker 1: wildly successful. We've got plenty of show ahead, of course,
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  Speaker 1: another forty five minutes to so in this program than
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  Speaker 1: another hour of Jaguars Happy Hour at five o'clock on
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  Speaker 1: today NFL Network analysts in our coh on the regular
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  Speaker 1: us to give us his thoughts on urban Meyer and
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  Speaker 1: the prospects of him coming to Jacksonville and what that
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  Speaker 1: can do for the organization. Tony Boselli at four five
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  Speaker 1: schedule to join us and plenty more ahead, including quarterback talk.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get into Urban Meyer's history of quarterbacks in college football.
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  Speaker 1: It is varied and he's had some success with some guys.
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  Speaker 1: in the Jacksonville area. If you followed social media today,
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  Speaker 1: course many people feel that the Jaguars will draft a
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  Speaker 1: quarterback first overall this year. I think you probably. I
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: wonder why, and I wonder who it might be. But
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: since we're discussing urban Meyer today, we need to go
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: through urban Meyer's history of quarterbacks in college, considering the
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: system that he had really kind of developed and used
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: over his college time there, and it seems to have
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: a similar feel for a lot of these guys because
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: of the offense and the way they have to run.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: At Josh Harris at Bowling Green. I must say I
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: did not remember Josh Harris at Bowling Green. I didn't
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: watch a lot of Bowling Green and No. One or two.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: But he was a six round picked by Baltimore in
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: two thousand four and was three seasons in the NFL
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: and the CFL. Apparently then Alex Smith Utah. Alex Smith's
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: star really rose in Salt Lake in the time that
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: he was under urban Meyer, and he was the first
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: overall pick. That's one of the big reasons why is
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: the great success that Urban had with him at at
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: the school. And that's Alex Smith. You know Alex Smith.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Would you consider him a runner? Well? Uh, in in
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: those days, yes, in those days he kind of had
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: to do some of that. I don't think he's a sprinter.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: But if he's not, I mean he's not Tim Tebow.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: He was running enough. He's not off Lamar Jackson or
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Michael Vick, but I mean he ran enough exactly to
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: make that offense work. And that's the importance is that
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: you don't have to be uh, dynamic and a home
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: run threat every time you touch the ball, but you
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: gotta be a threat. You gotta be a threat, and
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: you have to make proper decisions as well. I mean
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: that's a quarterback decision offense. You're reading and reacting and
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: if you make the wrong move, the play gets blown up. Yeah.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: The one the one thing is for certain that because
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: we're talking about the the potential of of a Urban
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Meyer type of an offense in the NFL, and I
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: think there will be changes to a lot of that.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I think I think a lot of it will adapt
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: to to the NFL game. And will a quarterback be
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: a running threat if he's the head coach here. I
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: think that he will absolutely be a threat. But I
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: think all the reality is in the National Football League,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: you don't want to get your quarterback hit if you
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: don't have to get your quarterback hit, because this is
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: u a position that if you get the right one
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: and he's allowed to grow and allowed to stay healthy.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Look at Tom Brady, look at Drew Brees. You think
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Tom Brado Drew Brees would have lasted as long as
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: they did if they were these read option type quarterbacks
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: at the NFL level. I don't think so. Some other
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks in Urban Meyer's past, Chris Leak at Florida, he
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: was inherited when Urban showed up in Gainesville. He wasn't
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: a exceptional runner, so he wasn't the great fit. But
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: then Tim Tebow was. He was the ideal football player
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: for what they were doing in Gainesville. Yeah. And and Tim,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: when you hear him talk about Urban Meyer, I mean
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: he raves about urban Meyer and uh so interesting and
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: that that you know. And Tim, I think is one
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: of the great college football players of all time. And
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: when he speaks highly of a coach like he has
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: about urban Meyer, I think that speaks a lot of
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: volumes for for urban Meyer, and Tim obviously was not
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: his game wasn't really meant for the National Football League,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: which also shows that you know, you've got to have
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: a quarterback that can throw it, that can read it
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: and uh and go through progressions and and that's not
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: what Tim had. So Urban Mars is obviously going to
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: be wanting a quarterback that can do some of those
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: things that Tim could not at the pro level. Then
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: we go on to Columbus when urban Meyer came back
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: into the Big Ten and the first starter for him
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: at Ohio State was Braxton Miller running threat. Obviously twenty
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: five touchdowns, you're a Big Ten Player of the Year
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: in twelve and thirteen. Uh. And then he switched a
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: wide receiver later, but in his time, in his days
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: in Columbus, he was a quarterback in a big threat
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah and and uh then was it Cardel after that
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: was in there for in fact Buffalo Bills and then
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: got traded to the Chargers. I believe many people thought
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: that he had a big arm and had very little
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: plane experience at Ohio State prior to entering the National
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Football League, but many viewed him as a as a
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: aspect that would just need more time to grow, and
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: he hasn't grown yet. J. T. Barrett was part of
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: that group as well. He played a short time in
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: that championship season where Jones came in at the very
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: end and won the National Championship game. Miller was the
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: starter and then and then the J. C. Barrett was
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: there for a little bit for a month or so.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: He got hurt and then in comes which which which
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: is amazing to win a national championship with how many
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: different quarterbacks in a season? Pretty good? That's pretty good.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's uh, that's what we call recruiting. Well,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: I mean when you well, yeah, absolutely, in which you
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: can do that at the pro game. But it reminds
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: me a little bit. And this is obviously a Hall
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: of Fame coach in the National Football League, and I'm
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: not trying to draw the comparison of the two, but
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: it's just interesting how you have a college coach that
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: won a national championship with three different coaches and three
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: three different quarterbacks in one season. It's impressive. And when
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: you start thinking about has there ever been a coach
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: at the NFL level it has been able a win
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: with three different quarterbacks in the same season. Huh. Hey, Manny,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Now if you want to talk about different seasons, oh, sure,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Joe Gibbs. I mean he wanted with all the Super
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Bowls with different quarterbacks, you know, so it's a little
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: bit different though. Those are those are different quarterbacks in
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: the season. Now we look at and I know you've
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: already started to look at Trevor Lawrence tape and that's
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: the player everybody feels that it is probably going number
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: one overall. Uh. He's a running threat as well at logs,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: and he can use those legs to make this kind
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: of thing work. He's a running threat JP. But to me,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: that's where hold early in his career. I think he'll
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: lean on that a little bit. But I don't see
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: him from watching this film. I don't see him is
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: that that's gonna be the mainstay of the staple of
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: his game. His arm talent is tremendous. He's got really
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: nice anticipation. He has the ability to go through progressions.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: And I've been watching him, uh three different nights now,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: four different nights now, and every everything that I watch
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: you just you sit there and you go wow, um impressive,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: And I think what I like about the most. And
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know if this is the way that the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: offense is tailor of. This is just his nature. He
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: loves to push the ball down the field. I mean
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: loves to push it. And that's what you'd like to
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: have as a quarterback that can push it down the field.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: But when he when he's pushing it down the field,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: he has the arm strength and the armed talent to
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: do that. And you've got to have that armed talent
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: to do that at the National Football League level because
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the windows are smaller at college. It is a little
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: bit different. But if you're doing it playing and play
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: out a game in and game out at the collegiate level,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: then I think it becomes a little bit easier to
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: make that transition to the pro game and continue to
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: do that. Something to watch. Well, Uh, we've got plenty
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: of quarterback discussion ahead in the months leading up to
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: the NFL Draft, and we've only just begun this is
• 25:00
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• 25:02
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• 25:06
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• 25:08
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• 25:12
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• 25:15
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• 25:19
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  Speaker 1: on a day that is not quite official yet, Bucky,
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  Speaker 1: but those photos on Twitter are certainly official, I'll say that.
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  Speaker 1: And he's around it in town, and it feels like
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  Speaker 1: this is coming to a close fairly quick here, Bucky.
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  Speaker 1: And it feels like, obviously here in town, everybody seems
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  Speaker 1: to be most everybody is excited about what could be
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: this move. Yeah, I think it's a very exciting move.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I think this move has an opportunity to really reset
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: the franchise. Uh. I've always been very, very bullish on
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Urban Mary in Jacksonville. Part of it is because I
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: felt like the situation needed a program building, a culture builder,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: someone who could change and give a vision for the
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  Speaker 1: franchise and everyone could jump on board. And I think
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  Speaker 1: when you look at Urban Mary and his track record,
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  Speaker 1: not only what he did at Ohio State in Florida respectively,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: but going all the way back to the success that
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: he had a Utah and Bowling Green, this is someone
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: who has a proven playing, a proven blueprint. He has
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: done it with and without resources. And I think because
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: of that, I think he's will equipped to jump into
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: this situation and have success at some point. Bucky, with
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: with a college coach making the jump to the pro game,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: what what kind of a staff adjustment would you expect,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: you know, the college game being a little bit different
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: than the program. Do you do you see Urban leading
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: on some key players kind of putting that staff together
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: to help make that adjustment to the pro game. Yeah, Jeff,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: I think it's really important that he brings in a
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: mix of people. I think he can lean on some
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: of his past assistance to kind of help him from
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: a cultural standpoint, But the pro game is vastly different
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: than the college game, and so he's going to need
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: to lean reach out to some NFL guys, guys that
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: understand the game, guys that understand how to coach pros
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: and bring those guys in. And I think when you
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: look at the way Urban typically gets down as a coach,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: he is the CEO type. He's gonna oversee the entire operation.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: He's going to be involved, but I think he's going
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: to trust his coaches to coach. I think it's really
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: really important with his staff, he has a balance of
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: NFL experience with some of the college guys who know
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: how he likes to operate a program. And then I
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: think that will be the best way for him to
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: kind of get this franchise jump started. Bucky Brooks with
• 31:44
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• 31:54
  Speaker 1: after love his games, and it might be a whole
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: lot better in the future. Moving ahead. So we were
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: talking earlier Bucky about the offensive track record of Urban
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Meyer throughout his stops Bowling Green, Utah, Florida, Ohio State,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: and how that offense really he was a big part
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: of the spread coming to college football in the early
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: two thousands and the explosion of it at Utah at
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Florida and now it's moving into the NFL game even
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: more so. But he was one of those one of
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: the minds that really got this thing going and got
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: it off the ground to make it and really changed
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: the college football game the last fifteen years or so. Yeah,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: JP and Jeff, I can tell you a funny story
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I remember as a scout when I was working for
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks. I went to Utah and it was
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: his first year at Utah, and I'm watching them at
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: practice and it's in August is the Militranan camp, and
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: they're doing things that I've never seen done before. You
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: have Alex Smith and the shotgun executing the zone read plays.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: You had a wing back or whire receiver named Paris
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Warren who was coming in orbit motion and going hand
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: to tailback and all this, and they're running triple options
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: stuff and they're throwing the ball all over the yard.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: And I think what really stood out to me was
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: the adaptability, his ability to take quarterbacks with different skill
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: sets and find a way to be successful. And I
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: heard you guys talking about quarterbacks and what he really
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: likes and quarterbacks and having a conversation with him earlier
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: this year. What he talked about what he really prefers
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: in a quarterback had little to do with their physical ability.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: It's all about, Oh, we've lost Bucky. We will get
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: the connection coming back. Bucky. You're back with us now. Nope,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: we'll get Bucky back in just a moment. There's quite
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: a cliffhanger from Bucky, anxiously awaiting what he was gonna say,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: But I will say that you know, Urban has done
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: a number of inter He's obviously a fix sports analysts
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: the last couple of years and has done a fantastic
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: job on those pregame shows before the new kickoffs and
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: and he's been around the media the last couple of
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: years especially. But Bucky, I think it's back with us now.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: We lost you at the keys to the quarterback position.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Before you talk the keys to the quarterback position, for
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Irvan Meyer, okay, so, and talking to Urban earlier this year,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: the intangibles matter far more than the armed talent, meaning toughness, competitiveness,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: leadership ability. He will not take a quarterback who doesn't
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: exhibit those traits, meaning he has to be the toughest guy.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: He has to be a leader who can express himself vocally,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: and he has to be able to elevate the team.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: He is really big on that part of it. When
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: the pieces around you aren't perfect, can you still find
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: a way to get the team to the winners circle. Now,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: he'll talk about the athletic component because it does expand
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: the playbook and allow you to do more things, But
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: really it's about the toughness, the grit, the determination. Can
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: this guy be a leader of men? Can he elevate
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: the franchise? Think about those traits more than some of
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: the physical things that we can tend to get bogged
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: down in. Yeah. I think in a perfect world, Bucky,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: he'd like to have all of those traits of und
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can rank them however you want to,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: And some people would view that armed talent is more
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: important than anything at the NFL level, But you know,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: that's an argument for an entire show. But with urban
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Meyer and his past health concerns, Uh, have you ever
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: heard or do you know of any concern that he
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: would have returning to the game and at the pro level,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: which many view is being even maybe more high stressed
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: than the college game. Yeah. No, I think that's a
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: really valid concern because we've seen how he he lives
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: or dies with the wins and losses, and obviously the
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: pro game is different. I mean in in a pro season,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: if you happen to get to twelve and four, that's
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: a very successful year, going three and one each quarter,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: and so I will I do believe that would be
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: a bit of an adjustment. He's never really experienced, uh,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: losing at a high level, and so it can drag
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: him down. Now hopefully he's been able to manage that
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: and do those things. But I think he has to
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: come into the Jacksonville situation knowing that he is going
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: to experience a little adversity and that he'll map out
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: a way to help the Jaguars work around that. But
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I do believe the health concerns that we all may
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: have about him in the stress level is something that
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: we have to worry about. It I think is one
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: of maybe the negative factors that skeptics will have with
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: urban Meyer joining the franchise Bucky Brooks with us NFL
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: network analyst, and that that's why it had to be
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: for urban Meyer, if this thing gets done, it has
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: to be the perfect scenario for him. That he could
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: basically pick where where was the best set up for
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: him or he could have just sat in the Fox
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: analysts chair for another three or four years and done
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: whatever he wanted to do. So that's part of the reason.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I think why is the health part. But having the
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: football organization a clean slate of sorts. We talked about
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: this before, Bucky having that opportunity a clean slate organization.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: It doesn't happen that often in the NFL where it's
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: a true clean slate, So it seems like this was
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: the perfect opportunity. Yeah, I think this gives him the clote,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: the best opportunity to run what he's always familiar with,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: which is running a program that is very similar to
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Florida and Ohio State. Meaning he's at the top, he's
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: the czar. He has the opportunity to really reshape the
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: franchise the way that he sees fit. Uh some of
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: the things that we will eventually find out about him.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Big on the sports performance piece, big on the nutrition piece,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: big on mental performance, and doing all the things to
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: make sure that the players are in the right space
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: when it comes to being a level competitors, and so
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: it's important for him to have that. Now. It will
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: be a bit of an adjustment because unlike college, you're
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: not recruiting, and so the way that you acquire and
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: develop players different. But I think his experience at Bowling
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Green and Utah will help him with that because this
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: will be more of a developmental program. It will be
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: one that I think will skew a little younger based
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: on the roster that they have and the players that
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: they bring in, and so the development piece will be big.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: But I will say this to the skeptics and the
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: naysayers who talk about US coaches not being able to
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: get it done, I'm gonna bring out Jim Harbaugh's immediate
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: success in San Francisco. Jim Harbaugh took over a team
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: in the middle of a lockout where he didn't have
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: an off season program, and that year, right away they
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: hit the ground running. I'm not saying the Jabbars are
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: in a situation like that, but it has been done.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Matt Rule and what they're doing in Carolina when you're
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: rebuilding the culture, the winds didn't necessarily come, but the
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: culture has changed and they were extremely competitive. I think
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: sometimes when you have experience and success doing these rebuilds
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: multiple times, you have a tried and true formula that works.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I think it's just about him implementing his plan and
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: getting everybody to follow suit. And Bucky you talk about
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: how you cannot recruit at the pro level, but which
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: obviously makes the position of general manager so very important
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: because that's the guy that's doing the recruiting for you.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: He's identifying who are going to be the a lest
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: type of players. There's been rumors about about who might
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: fill that position if, in fact or a Meyer is hired. Uh,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: what do you see in that in that role for
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: the general manager? What type of traits were they that
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: person have to have to be able to work with
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: an urban Meyer. Well, I think the first thing he
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: needs to have is he needs to have enough NFL
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: experience to understand the workings of how you acquire talent,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: how you draft talent, how you understand and manipulate the
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: waiver y and transactions and all of those things. I
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: think it also needs to be a forward thinking football mind,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: meaning they understand today's athlete, they understand how to get
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: young guys ready to go, and I think they also
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: have to work in lockstep in terms of a developmental
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: plan where you're not only getting young guys going, but
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: you're giving them opportunities to play. We saw how that
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: played out last year, and we saw the amount of
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: young players they got onto the field. But can you
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: get young guys onto the field and help them have
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: a media success. We saw Pete Carroll take his experience
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: from USC and have that in Seattle where they run
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: a bit of a collegiate program with the NFL sauce
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: on top. I think Urban has to create a situation
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: like that, and he has to have a right hand
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: man that can be to him with John Snyder has
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: been to Pete Carroll. Alright, Bucky, if if if Urban
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: is in fact named the head coach, who do you
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: envision his quarterback being with the first overall pick of
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: the draft, if in fact they take one, which is
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: still not a done deal. Oh, I think it's a doneee.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: I think Trevor Lawrence is a guy. I think people
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: are going to talk about justin fields, but I think
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence exhibits all the qualities that he wants in
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: a quarterback. Trevor Lawrence has always been a winner, going
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: all the way back to high school watching what he
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: was able to do it Clemson. He is tough, he's competitive.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: I think this spring we saw his leadership ability kind
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: of really come front when he was really involved in
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: not only getting his team to play, but also what
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: he did with his teammates in terms of uplifting them.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I think he is the right guy to be the
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, and I think he has the right stuff
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: to be Urban Meyers quarterback in Jacksonville. And so I
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: think the excitement that is brimming and brewing in Jacksonville
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: is about getting the ultimate QB one to go with
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: a head coach who certainly has a track record for
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: being able to be successful. You know how you can
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: tell Bucky's excited, Logs because he's wearing that Jaguar shirt today.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Nice shirt. Well ready man, ready, Loggs knows it's been
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: a long time coming. Man telling them win some games. Yeah,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: it is indeed, Bucky appreciate your time, man on short notice,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: and we'll talk to you again. Suit. I'm sure, for sure, Man,
• 41:35
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• 41:37
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• 41:40
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• 41:43
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• 41:47
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• 41:49
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• 41:55
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  Speaker 1: during the Sea Reason in postgame radio like going on today,
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  Speaker 1: the Urban Meyer watch continues. Nothing official from the Jacksonville
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Jaguars as of yet, but the reports happen in the
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: building and in town. Of course, the photos you've seen
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: on social media today of him stepping off a private
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: jet and being escorted in an automobile through the garage
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: doors and the loading dock here at the stadium earlier today,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: that means he is in the building. The negotiations continue,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: last we have seen, and if anything breaks in the
• 46:29
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• 46:32
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• 46:36
  Speaker 1: He's got some great insight as a former scout and
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: has been with the NFL Network for a number of
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: years now, and um, you know he's he's bullish on
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Urban Meyer and has been for the last to the
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: to the Jaguars, at least for the last year so well.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I look. I I think that there's good reason for that.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: And the big reason, obviously is that he's had great
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: success at the college level and and at different levels
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: of the college level. And uh and that's a real positive.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: So the greatest chance or the greatest ability to forecast
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: somebody's success is to look at past success. And he's
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: had great success in football at the collegiate level. And
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: can he take it to the pro game? If you
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: get the right players, he can be wildly successful. Tony
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Vaselli you might have heard of him. He's with us now,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: prud of the Jaguars Left Tackle Hall of Fame finalists.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: The vote coming up next week. A lot going on
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: the last couple of days around the Jacksonville Jaguars. Today
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: is one of those big days on social media, Tony.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Everybody's following what is going on. Nothing official from the team,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: but he is in the building and negotiations continue. That
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: means it's on the doorstep. It feels like Tony, Yeah,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I have a hard time believing that this
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: thing won't get done at this point. I mean, it
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocking if I mean, we've come this far
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: and they have this much water under the bridge. I think,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: you know, you can't say it's a done deal till
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: it's it's finished. But it looks like er Meyer is
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: gonna be the the next head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: And listen, there's a lot of things you love about this.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a firm believer that the head coaching
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: position is a leadership position more than an next and
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: no position. Um. And if you look at his track record,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: while it's in the in college, no doubt about it. Um,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: his leadership is off this charge and he has his
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: had success everywhere and people talk about, well, yeah, it's
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: easy to have success in Florida. Ohiuse state because you
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: get all the players that you want. Um. While that's true,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: you still have to lead them and put them in
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: a position to win. But you can go back to
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Utah undefeated, Um, success there, bowling green success there, or
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: you're not getting the best players. Um. And So I
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: think he is a leader. I think he's the right um.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: You know, has that makeup and that you're looking for.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: And and but there's questions to Jeff brought it up
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: being going college to pro that's a transition. Some people
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: do right, So I don't, well, you don't know until
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: he actually does it. Obviously, all the reports out there
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: about health and stuff something like, I'm sure he's fully
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: aware of it's his health, that's something you just got
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: to um be aware of. But does that mean he
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: can't coach. No, there's a lot of head coaches in
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: this league, trust me, that have underlying health stuff going on.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: So UM, I think overall it's a pretty exciting UM higher.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: It's a splash higher um. It's gonna get a lot
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: of attention, and it's one of those things that, boy,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: you just hope And I think this is what Shod
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: probably saying. I'm gonna go hire a guy who's one
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: before it knows what it looks like. UM is a
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: one everywhere he's been and as a bona fide leader
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: and see if he can that can translate to the NFL,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: can translate to the Jacksonville Jaguars. Yeah, we'll see UM.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Nothing officially yet from the team, but yeah, the negotiations continue.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: And it is he's one of the all time great
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: college coaches, Tony And that's the thing. I mean, he's
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: the third best winning percentage in big time major college
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: ball ever behind Newton Rockney and Frank Lahy. I mean,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: the guy has won, and he's won it four different,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: really distinctly different places in college. So he's been able
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: to build those programs in in different places, in different ways,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: with different people, and that tells you a whole lot. Yeah,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: the dude's a winner. I mean, I mean, just look
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: at the numbers. I mean, you could and you hear reports, well,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: he's not well liked or it's this or that. I mean,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never met the man. So in
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: my book, you get the benefit of the doubt behind
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: met each other, and um and and and we'll figure that.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: You figure that out what kind of relationship you have
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: with individuals. But set all that asign he wins, and
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: he's won everywhere. Now it's it's is it different from
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: the NFL to the pros? Yes, Is he gonna win
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: at the clip that he did in college? I hope so,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: highly doubtful. The NFL is a different game because you
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: don't wake up and you have better talent than you
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: know teams on your schedule. It's not like that. But
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: he's won in big games. He's one in BCS. He
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: went through the playoffs. I mean, every every challenge has
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: been put in front of the Urban Meyers. From a
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: football standpoint, he's been wildly successful. And like I said
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: a second ago, you just the reason you hire him,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: it's because you were betting the house that it translates
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: where he did in college to the NFL Tony. I
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: don't think there's any doubt that that when urban Meyer
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: would walk in front of a team, a pro team,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: this team, that there would be instant credibility just because
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: of what he's been able to accomplish all of his
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: previous stops. And it doesn't matter if he hasn't played
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: or won a game at the pro level. And I
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: think that's obviously a big battle, is being able to
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: have credibility in front of a football team. Now you
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: obviously have to do things to to maintain that going forward,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: but I think that's a big part of it. And
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: with that being said, the next step obviously, if you
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: hire in fact, then the ink is drive with urban Meyer.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: The next step obviously he's finding the manager. And obviously
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: that is critically important to any coaches success at the
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: National Football League level, you know, and I think it's
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: probably gonna be I don't want to say more important
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: because Urban obviously you know, he's procured players at the
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: call from high school of college and you've got to
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: do the work and be organizing all that um. But
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: you want to make sure you're the right person because listen,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Urban is gonna be running the show. I mean, let's
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: don't make no let's not make you know, let's make
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: no bones about it. I mean, he doesn't take this
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: job unless it's clear that he is in charge of
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: the football side. And so you have to find the
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: right GM who understands his role and says, hey, listen,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: my job is to make Urban great. My job is
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: to manage the rest of the building so he focuses
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: on football and everything else, and to make him great,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: and to find the players that fit the systems that
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: that whoever his offensive cortinator is gonna be, whoever his
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: defensive coordinators. You find the right people, and you have
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: to do it in a in a manner that's colaborate.
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  Speaker 1: So it's really important that GM has leadership in like
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: the way I would say best, because I think this
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: is what is it is, really servant leadership. Your job
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: is to make sure Urban has the tools that he
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: needs and to make sure it's the type of players
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: he wants to fit the scheme and to manage all
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: this stuff around him. So, um, you gotta find the
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: right guy, and uh, it'll be interesting. My guess is
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Urban's gonna weigh in on that. I mean, they're probably
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: gonna unless there's something going on that we don't know about,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: or maybe they take one of the guys they've already interviewed,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: um and make them the GM. But it's definitely something
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: that I would bet a lot of money Jeff that
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Urban is weighing it heavily on who the GM is
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: and the reports today Tony that Trent Ballky has been
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: involved in the process. That has been at least reported
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: today but a couple of different outlets. So we'll see
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: what the days ahead hold in that regard. I know
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: what the days ahead hold for you. How nervous are
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: you for the vote this year? The Hall of Fame
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: votes coming up next week? Yeah, if I'm being honest,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: I haven't thought about it because it's know, you know,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: you get remember, Jeff, as a player, you have that
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: internal clock, like you know, when training camp starts, you
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: start getting like feel lousy because you know camp stuff coming,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: and then you get in the regular season. Your body
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: is a tune to when the game's gonna be played. Well,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: this is the fifth year I've done this, and so
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: the last four like you get used to the like
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: the cadence of what happens, Like you fly to the
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: super Bowl, you do all the work up and then
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: the nerve starts kicking in as you get closer to
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: the Saturday before, um Super Bowl. And so this year
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: it's completely different. I think they're voting h five days
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: from now. I'm not mistaken, and and so it's not
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: that I've I'm very aware, but it's not top of
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: mind because I'm used to, like I really start thinking
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: about when I get to the super Bowl. So um,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: outside of people like u JP bringing up and asking me,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's one of those things that this
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: is the fifth year I've been in this position. I
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: obviously hope I make it. I mean, my goodness, um
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: more than any I mean as much as anything. But
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: I have no control over they're gonna vote. I don't
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: even know when they're telling us. I don't know how
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: they're telling us. The hell of famous let us know
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: that at all I don't know if I'm getting calls,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: you know, the nineteenth night. I don't know if they're
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: waiting until the week of the Super Bowl to tell us.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Unless you get JP, you probably know more than I
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: do at that about I don't. That's That's why I
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: was interested in your take on it. But I know
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: it's different this year in the COVID world. So all
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: that now, you final thought here with you, Tony. You
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: got a game this weekend on Westwood. What do you got? Yeah,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I got I'm doing the uh, in my opinion, the
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: best game in the weekend. Um and because as the
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: most I think it's the greatest storyline around the Saints
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: and the Buccaneers. I mean, you have Drew Bradies is
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: probably retiring, and you have the greatest quarterback of all
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: time who is defying Father Time and Tom Brady. So
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: uh yeah. I fly out in New Orleans on on Saturday.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: That's the Sunday game, and I'm looking forward to it.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Cannot wait to watch those two teams play. I mean,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: the Saints beat them twice, um second time handidly beat
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: them pretty easily. Um. But the Buccaneers are playing really
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: good football right now. Offensively that Saints defense is good. Uh,
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how Drew Brees did. I
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: didn't think he looked great last week. Um, you can
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: tell he's you know, father time is catching up with
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Drew Brees, unlike Tom Rading's beating them off. But I
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: can't wait to do it, just to see those two
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: guys go at it. Um, two good, really good head
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: coaches on the offensive side of the ball. And Bruce
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: arians Sean Payton got two good defenses, you know what
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Dennis Allen's done and Todd Bowls for the Buccaneers, I
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: mean some of the better defenses. I think it's a
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: fabulous matchup with a lot of them storylines. All right, Well,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: since it's gonna be a fabulous matchup, give us a prediction.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Who you who you think is gonna win? Boy, Jeff,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: I just get a sense that I think the Bucks
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: are gonna pull it off. And that makes no I mean,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: if you look at the last two games, you'd say, well,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: why are you saying that? I mean the Staints have
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: dominated them. Um, I think I think the Bucketeers are
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: playing better and better each week. I think of offensively, Um,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: they're really explosive and I just I'm not sure how
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: many I don't know how many points the Saints can
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: put up on the board against that Bucks defense. So
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: um to say that though I picked him the last time,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: I picked the Bucks to be in the last matchup
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: because I thought they were pointing well and the Saints
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: blew them out. So I think it's a close game.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: But if I had the bet, probably lead towards the Bucks.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: All right, Tony, Um, thanks for your time, short notice.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Appreciate you, and and and whenever this is final, I'm
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: sure we'll do more shows like this. So we're waiting.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: We'll all wait and see. It's like waiting for the
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: you know, remember when they choose the new pope in
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: the Catholic Church, you wait for the white smoke to
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: come out of the Vatican. I think we're all waiting
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: for the white smoke right now. I have a good one, Tony.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Tony Boselli prior to the Jaguars left tackle out of here.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: And you know, this is a fun day and it's
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: gonna be a fun week for him. Hopefully hopefully that
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: vote comes through for him next week. That would be nice.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: He look, uh, I got firsthand experienced to to go
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: against Tony, and I don't think there's any question because
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I went against a lot of other guys that are
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame and played that played left tackle,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: and Tony, I think it is better than just about
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: every one of them, to be perfectly honest with you,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: So it would be a tragedy for him not to
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: get in. But there are a lot of really good
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: players on that list, JP. I mean, it's it's hard
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: to argue, uh that that some of these other guys
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: on the list don't deserve to get in as well.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: And that's the great thing is that you're in the
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: conversation and and clearly all these guys are great players.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: They are and let's just hopefully we can put that
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: to bed five days from now and you know, enjoy
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: it with him and move on about our lives here now.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Of course, today it's Urban Meyer Watch. He is in
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: the building, he is negotiating, and that there's nothing official
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: yet from the Jacksonville Jaguars organization. We've seen the photos
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: and the video work following him around town all day
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: to day after his arrival, so we'll see. And coming up,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: we've got an hour on the Jaguars Radio Network and
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: the hour of Jaguar's Happy Hour, and if anything breaks
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: in that sixty minute period, we'll bring it to you
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: live right here on this program. A lot of excited
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: folks today logs and rightly so. Well, I think that
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: that it's a good reason because you're talking about bringing
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: one of the most successful coaches of all time at
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: the collegiate level into your your team, and your team
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: hasn't experienced a lot of winning. So the first thought is,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: this team is gonna win now. They got they got
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: a coach, they're gonna get a quarterback, and things are
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: going to be different. And hope is a beautiful thing, Jake,
• 59:31
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