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A herd of ugly wild gishes galloping free across the webs? | HBR Talk 284 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk two eighty four. HBr examines a flood
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  of galloping dishes tonight. That's not our actual title because I think I changed
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  in between when I wrote that and when I actually published. So our title
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  is I heard of ugly wild gishes galloping free across the webs, and maybe
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  a few people will recognize that that reference what I'm parodying there. But yeah,
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  anyway, tonight, tonight we're diving into a pool of toxicity. So
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  I'm your host, Hannah Wallin here with nonsense annihilator, learned books and the
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  personification of perceptivity Mike Stevenson, and we're putting on our hip waiters just for
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  you. But as always, before we do that, we gotta do what
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  we gotta do. Hey, you better watch out because I didn't watch mine
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  from the last time. Okay, so they're pretty full, Oh yeah,
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  oh yeah, definitely, they're they're caked. They're totally caked. Yes,
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  And we all know cake is rape. And then if you were an early
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  adopter of watching HPR, you know what I'm talking about. Oh my gosh,
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  if the then rape is a lie, I'm disillusioned by all of it.
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  All of it. Yeah, No, years ago, we encountered a
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  it was like it was. It was a walking simulator game intended to convince
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  the player that all heterosexual interactions lead to rape, all roads lead to rape.
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  And at first, as we're going through this thing and looking at it,
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  everybody's like, this is a rape simulator. This is a rape simulator.
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  And I'm looking at it and I'm going, none of the none of
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  what is portraying, though, is rape. Like every step the girl makes
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  a choice whether to go on or not, she just doesn't communicate her feelings
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  and thoughts and interests in the interaction. It was it would have been like
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  clear back in twenty thirteen or twenty fourteen, And so I got I got
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  really frustrated with it, and I made a video and I had assistance with
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  this video. It's on my channel. Uh so it's it's way back when,
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  and I can't remember what I titled it, but the reference is cake
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  and it looks like an old school video game. And it was essentially a
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  video of an individual being fed cake by by an apparent boyfriend. And she
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  keeps thinking that she doesn't want the cake, and she keeps being horrified about
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  the cake and not being able to stop eating the cake, but she never
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  says anything to the partner about I don't want any more cake, please stop
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  feeding me and say yes I feel if she searched for kki k and the
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  creator of the walking simulator responded, so we actually got their attention. But
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  anyway, yeah, so we're gonna We're gonna do what we gotta do before
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  we get into showtime. Though, as always, Honey Badger Radio dishes out
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  paths, have demonstrated the provoked thoughts are fighting back, and by the way,
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  our content, as well as a link to feed the Badger dot com in
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  the dropdown menu at the top of the page. And before we actually dive
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  into Flood's work and we might actually need toxic waste suits for this, I
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  want to point out there's there's a connection here. He's not just some guy
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  who's a male feminist that wrote some stuff right. He is a student of
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  Raylan Connell, the man who the the man at the time who while going
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  through uh gender dysphoria and viewing masculinity as a prison and a trap, wrote
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  his narratives about toxic masculinity that became fundamental to feminism's discussions on masculinities. And
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  so he he's sort of the architect. Connell is the architect of the entire
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  anti male demonizing toxic masculinity narrative that is now standard fair in American psychology,
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  and in business psychology, in treatment for men's mental health, uh and so
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  on, in education, uh, everywhere. So this is this is the
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  next sort of generation, the extension of uh of of his work through this
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  this other male feminist. So before you know, before getting into that,
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  I want to make sure people understand, like, there are dozens and dozens
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  and dozens of male feminists out there that that I encounter on on Twitter and
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  other social media every day, and most of them are just assholes that say
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  stupid shit and use feminism as an excuse to browbeat other men. But this
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  guy has made a career of it, and he is influential in the movement,
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  in the in the women's movement, so in some kind of journalists.
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  You know how the Marvel cinematic Universe was popular for three iterations and then on
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  the fourth iteration, everyone lost control of what the fuck was going on,
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  as much the same with feminism after the third we're now on the fourth wave.
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  The third wave was very popular and and now we're on the fourth wave
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  and nobody knows where the hell's going, but we know we still have to
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  keep paying for it. So the tune of billions, So you best keep
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  paying for it or your some kind of inserts for And that's where Michael Flood
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  is h He's riding on the coattails of wankers who were wrong about everything.
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  So yeah, do proceed please well. And I would also point out like
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  when when MRAs go to legislators and say law X is discriminatory and it needs
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  changed, and legislators start looking into it, and feminists start counter lobbying against
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  us, they cite Michael Flood, Oh my god, they cite his work,
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  and oh, you know, they cite Rao and Connell, they cite
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  her work. And you know, these are the people that we have to
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  have to deal with what they've said, because what they've said, whether it's
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  true or not, whether it's valid or not, whether it's reasonable and rational
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  or not, influences and informs law policy, social standards. When you start
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  talking, you know, about men's issues on social media, pushing on that
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  Overton window, the people pushing back against you cite Michael Flood. When Tecla,
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  for instance, on that we've talked about before on Twitter, who has
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  she literally spends all day like I see posts that she's tagged herself into in
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  my feed where she wasn't part of the conversation, and then suddenly she is
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  all day. She spends all day looking for things that Honey Badgers have posted
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  and our associates have posted to get into those conversations. When she does that
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  and she argues against things we've said, she cites Michael Flood. And when
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  takedown m RAS calls our venues and says these people are dangerous, he cites
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  Michael Flood. So this this isn't just some little pitilly nobody. This guy
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  is influential and his mentor was influential. So this is I want people to
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  understand, We're not just going to start like every male feminist I run into
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  is going to become a show. Uh there, there has to be something
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  more than that, because there's too many of them. So yeah, so
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  this is the guy. It's it's pretty interesting. For as much as how
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  feminists hate white men, they they they love to prop this one up for
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  some reason. Well they rely on this one for you know a lot of
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  things, like they rely on him for a love full of power and uh,
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  the the I guess a little level of apparent credibility because he has you
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  know, he has an academic career, he all made an academic career out
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  of this. Yeah, don't fight me, fight this straight white guy.
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  That's that's the history of feminism in a nutshell. What's like that feminist professor
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  and that in the middle of a protest when somebody came along and asked her
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  a pertinent question that she couldn't answer. H she she responded with, Hey,
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  we need some muscle over here, and basically to get that guy out
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  of that that area because he was interrupting the protest. His counter protest was
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  interrupting the protest, you know. So that's that's how feminists work. They
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  need their muscle. Feminist men or the muscle. And a lot of times,
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  you know, feminist feminist men are like I put them in three categories.
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  There are guys who get sort of get feminism pushed on them when they're
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  growing up, and they become feminists because they are browbeaten into it, they're
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  snowed into it or conned, and a lot of times when they start learning
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  the truth, it disillusions them, they feel disenfranchised, and then eventually they
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  abandon it because it's stupid. So that's the first category. Those are the
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  most innocent, and then you get feminists who are male feminists because they can
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  use the rules and the credibility of feminism as a tool of abuse, mainly
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  against other men. Like if a woman gets in the way of them abusing
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  other men with it, they'll abuse her too, but their target is other
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  men. And then you get guys like this who are exploiting it for dollars
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  and may they make it their profession, use it for power, prestige,
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  and money, just like female feminists do. They are scam artists in my
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  opinion, Like my nickname for him is Michael Fraud. That's my opinion is
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  he's in that camp. I'm you know he Now, the men in that
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  camp will still browbeat other men, and they will browbeat women because they are
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  not They're not any better than the people who adopt feminism because it gives them
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  an excuse to abuse other people. And there are women who will do the
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  same thing. Right, there's a fourth camp with women, and to a
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  degree that camp pass some men in it too, and that is feminism excuses
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  wallowing in their brokenness. Something is wrong with them, but feminism makes it
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  somebody else's fault and tells them that they don't have to try to get any
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  better. Yeah, and so, but I think the majority of male feminists
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  are probably in the first camp. And that's why most of the male feminists
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  that you run into are under thirty, and as you get to the over
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  thirty age group, you find fewer and fewer, and the ones that you
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  do meet that are over thirty seem to be bigger assholes. So there we
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  go. So the first article that we're gonna look at, because this is
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  actually a whole bunch of articles. If I click the menu here, I
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  don't know if it'll show. Yeah, you have articles, authors, topics,
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  blogs, links. He's got a whole bunch of different things. So
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  this is technically one article with a bunch of different sections. This is fact
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  checking MRI's bogus statistics and factoids. And he published this in twenty twenty,
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  so's not new new, but I'm tired of having it shoved in our faces.
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  So here we go. He is. I will start with the opening
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  paragraph here, where he says, there are various claims made by men's rights
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  activists that have no basis in truth. They are quote factoids, items of
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  unreliable or false information that are reported and repeated so often that they become accepted
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  as fact. So I'll tell you the first thing that's not what a factoid
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  is a factoid is you know, did you guys know that elephants an elephant
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  has a five foot penis. Yeah, that's a factoid, right. It
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  tells a bit of information about it doesn't tell the whole story, that's but
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  that's a factoid. Right. If you want to get into facts about elephants,
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  you learn more about that, you discover that that's you know, average
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  length and blah blah bl they can they have muscle control over it, and
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  uh, they have a four year gestation period for for their babies, and
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  you know, all that kind of stuff for some such But the factoid is
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  this little blurb elephants have a five foot penis well, and honestly, just
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  the males. It's it's an actually factual statement. Yea, it is true.
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  It's not false information. It's not Oh my goodness, uh god,
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  this guy is so disingenuous. It's disgusting. Now. The one one time
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  I spent money on Cosmo because my friends were all like this, you gotta
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  read this, you got to read this, And that was that was one
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  of the things I learned from Cosmo. Why is this important in my life?
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  How am I gonna put this to use when I'm out doing my job?
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  At that time, I was working as a sports photographer. Nobody even
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  uses elephants as their h their mascot, which they good because elephants are fucking
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  awesome. But yeah, it's always it's always the horses. Nobody ever talks
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  about how how long the average horse dong is. Yeah, well, unless
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  they're talking about Catherine the Great, which which there we go. So woozles
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  are uh are items of unreliable or false information that are reported and repeated so
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  often that they have become accepted as fact. That's that's a woozle. The
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  if I remember right, I've I've seen the oh Catherine, Catherine the Great
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  died for horse stack thing debunked. So anyway, so there we go.
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  He's already off and running in the first paragraph. He doesn't know what he's
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  talking about. On this page, we will fact check some of the inaccurate
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  claims routinely made by m R. As additions and revision are welcome. So
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  he's he's asking for people to contact him and criticize his work, just so
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  you know okay, uh and and uh. The the web address for this
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  is on x Y online dot net, but you can also find it if
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  you go to his Twitter profile and click in his profile on the link to
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  it. That'll that'll take you to this this blog as well. So if
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  you would like to give him what he has requested here, uh, you
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  know, what he has welcomed here offers some criticism, just remember two things.
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  One be polite and two, you know, be concise and not repetitive.
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  Not you know, this is a gish gallop. Don't gish gallop at
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  him. Just go point. You can go point by point and address things,
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  and that's fine, but most of all, most importantly, be polite.
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  We we don't advocate what feminists like to call harassment, you know,
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  even if they're not polite with us. And I even if I don't take
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  my own advice because you guys have seeing me on Twitter, I'm not polite.
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  Oh no, me neither. Yeah, and I'm very I'm like the
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  abridged version of Hannah being impolite. Yeah. Don't don't call him cupcake either,
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  because he's not a girl. This page covers the issues listed below.
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  See other sections of x Y or assessment of men's rights advocates, claims about
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  the impact of feminist identities and beliefs among women, false accusations which he hasn't
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  linked. Twenty twenty two right up here and twenty thirteen right up here,
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  father's and fatherlessness, domestic violence, men's health, war and militarism, and
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  so called feminist quotes by leading feminists, and so on. So here we
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  go. He has a list. The first thing is the media as man
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  hating women's control of personal health, paternity fraud, women and men's homicides against
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  children, women and men's homicides against inanimate partners, women and children. First,
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  perpetuation of child sexual abuse, domestic violence and suicide trafficking. Men victimized
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  by domestic violence thirty three percent more often than women, says fifteen country study
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  Aaron Pitsy. He just has wow section labeled Aaron Pitsy, And I see
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  also. I know it's all false. It's just erin. She's not That
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  motherfucker's not real. Should we tell her that the next time we see her?
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  I know, I know this little f she's she's not a real person,
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  she never existed. Then just keep talking about it. It's like a
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  whole thing, like is he studying like her entire life is just wrong.
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  Guys, we're gonna see the myth of Aaron Pitzy addressed by this professional feminist.
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  Oh my gosh, men's rights and MRAs, men's rights activists. Uh,
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  academic critiques men's rights and MRAs accessible critiques. So, in other words,
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  in case you're not smart enough to understand the academic critiques written by a
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  professor, the accessible ones are for you. So those must be written for
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  the feminist students. And I'll give them a little bit of credit and say
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  that maybe the academic critiques are behind the page law. Yeah, that's possible.
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  That's possible. The other possibility is that he does know his audience,
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  m like not saying feminist thing, you know, are not not all bright
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  that bright. But maybe feminists or not all that bright the alt right,
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  men's anti feminist advocacy and masculinity and x Y collection. So we have our
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  shit carved out for us here, right. This is gonna be an ongoing
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  thing. This is not gonna get done tonight. All all done tonight.
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  We're gonna go for you know, maybe an hour and and then we'll put
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  a you know, put attack in it and say this is where we were,
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  this is where we stopped. Uh, and and we'll continue this in
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  between other shows. We may do this several shows in a row if I
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  don't have another more urgent topic come up in the meantime. But if we
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  do, we're gonna keep coming back to this because this this guy has been
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  very prolific, uh commentator. So to start the media as man hating fact,
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  I have to say it that way. Fact, media content continues to
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  show patterns of male dominance and sexist stereotyping, and much of media control and
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  ownership is in the hands of men. How the okay, I'm sorry,
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  this asshole, how how are you saying this is a fact. That's not
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  a fact. Okay, the patterns of male dominance and sexist stereotyping that subjective.
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  That's not a fact. Yeah, that's a claim claim, all right,
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  media control and ownership, that's a subjective thing. You can you can
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  actually look at that. I'm sorry that did I say? Anyway, you
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  can actually look at who owns what in the media and say, okay,
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  well, this percentage is owned by men and this percentage is not That would
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  be a fact Michael doctor, you're not even I can't call du Yeah.
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  And but what's interesting is he doesn't have a citation for this. No,
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  it's just he's just stating it is a fact. So I would actually see,
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  you know, you show some evidence, an actual study that shows that
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  the media shows patterns of male dominance. Because now, there there are two
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  kinds of ways where something can be majority male. One is it's there,
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  it's not an area of interest that women dedicate themselves to as much as men
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  dedicate themselves to. Right. The other is men keep women out that those
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  those would be two patterns that feminists would call male dominance. Right, the
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  former is very rare. The latter is a lot more common in things that
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  feminists say are male dominated, like right sewer work. Women in the media
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  have there's been women in the media for longer than Flood has been alive,
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  longer than I have been alive. Well before, like I studied female photojournalists
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  when I was growing up. That were old when my dad got involved in
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  journalism, and in fact, activist journalism to a degree was invented by a
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  female photojournalist in the early twentieth century who went around in God why can't I
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  think of her name now because I was I just had it a second ago.
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  God, that's embarrassing. But but uh, she went around and photographed,
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  you know, people in in uh adverse economic circumstances to show the country
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  how they were living and what what was going on with them. And she's
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  not the only one, like I I'm not even gonna try to go with
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  with a list of names. But the woman who uh got conditions changed in
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  women's prisons used journalism. The women who got uh you know, got got
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  the idea of women's suffrage into mainstream discussion used journalism. There were women working
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  as journalists at that time. There had and before journalism was publication of newspapers
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  where it was actually uh people publishing their journals. There were plenty of women
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  that did that as well. So this idea that this was this is something
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  that women were ever kept out of. It's bullshit. It's if women wanted
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  to do it, they could do it right. And you know, there's
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  something else that needs to be talked about is the first two words media content.
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  Well what does that entail? Right? I think that includes advertisements such
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  as the sexist ones that we've seen that like you know, have like Gillette,
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  the Gillette add Okay, how how tell me what man produced that fucking
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  commercial and how well it did for Gillette? You know, media content is
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  really it comes down to like the bite sized bits of video that you can
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  find on things like TikTok. You know, this is how rapidly the generations
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  are progressing. They don't have the attention span to sit there and listen to
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  an hour long podcast, hour long two hour long podcast talking about gender normativity
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  and things like that, you know what I mean, a lot of them
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  just don't care, you know. So the media content, there's a lot
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  of content out there that's that's being consumed by people that is completely sexist,
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  stereotyping towards men. Yeah. The other thing I want to know is what
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  is he what is he referring to when he talks about media, Because when
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  we talk about media, there's journalistic media, right, There's there's news media.
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  There is entertainment media, right, there's academic media. Media is just
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  any kind of any kind of communication mass communication to the public that uses writing,
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  sound, visual visual aids, art, video, image, imagery.
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  That's that's all media. And yeah, so it becomes a question when you
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  make a gish gallop statement like this where you're claiming that it's it's male dominated,
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  it becomes a question what media is he talking about, and how can
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  he prove it's it's shows patterns of male dominance in sexist stereotyping. That was
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  that was never an equivalent of ESG. And I know that sounds like a
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  conspiracy theory that dreaded. It's in the initialism e s G. The idea
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  of governments from the top down financially incentivizing or the advertising companies and all these
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  media companies to exact Die, I'm just going to call it die, You're
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  not. I mean diversity, it's inclusion, inequity, equity, and these
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  things are being enacted as though there ever was an equivalent. There never was.
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  There was never There was never any governmental or economical incentives for having adverts
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  in mostly white countries and including mostly white people, or ever having uh some
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  kind of functional relationship between female characters and male characters. But we're now at
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  this point where it's not just a conspiracy theory what the ESG has had.
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  It's it happens from the government down to the private companies that have any obligation
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  whatsoever to comply with the government, which is most of the things that you
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  see in broadcast media. And that's what we mean by media. Well,
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  well, different people mean different things by media. When Michael Flood talks about
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  the media, he's talking about the space letters on the internet like us.
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  And when we talk about the media, we're talking about the ship that's actually
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  being broadcast from big fucking towers in every in every county, in every state,
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  in every country all over the world. And yeah, it all comes
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  down to the wordplay and media is one of the most fuck upable words in
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  the English language. Note radio is a woman owned yes, real, briefly
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  it doesn't. It doesn't matter though, I mean no, But with women,
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  women have special privileges until the moment they express a give a shitability about
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  men and wants us to shut up. Yeah, and then and then they're
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  even worse than men. If there's anything worse than men, it's anyone whatsoever
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  who speaks out on behalf of men. And that includes women. Oh yeah,
• 31:34
  includes not as limited to oh yeah, we're we're totally evil like kitten
• 31:41
  eating m rs to the sound of Lawrence Cat. Oh you guys, don't
• 31:51
  understand that happened. One night I had an alarm set for something by accident,
• 31:56
  and I have a cat mew sound effect on my phone, and it
• 32:00
  went off right in the middle of me saying something referencing I think something to
• 32:06
  my dad said about racism where he compared being raised to be racist to being
• 32:15
  forced as a child to drown a kitten every morning. You know, it's
• 32:21
  you, what kind of person would you become? Right if your parents had
• 32:24
  you do that first thing in the morning, every morning before you did anything
• 32:28
  else, what kind of person would you become? And I you know,
• 32:31
  I look at that, and I look at the way that people who are
• 32:37
  sexist against men, and people who are racist against white people, and you
• 32:43
  know, it's I'm sure that people who are raised to be racist against every
• 32:47
  other race or the same way. I don't think I've ever met anybody who
• 32:52
  was genuinely sexist against women. Feminists like to call accountability sexist, but it's
• 32:59
  not. But you would become a war person, right But right when I'm
• 33:05
  talking about that, that stupid alarm went. You can be taught to murder
• 33:12
  chickens on a regular basis and taught to murder cows and pigs and cheap on
• 33:16
  a regular basis. And I guess it does become more difficult when it comes
• 33:21
  to dogs and cats because they do seem to be a bit more sentient,
• 33:24
  probably due to being omnivorous and carnivorous, so they have a few more neurological
• 33:31
  connections in their brain, and they seem a bit more sentient. And that's
• 33:35
  why it seems to us like being cruel to cats and dogs is a step
• 33:42
  worse than being cruel to sheep and cows and cats in particular have cute little
• 33:47
  baby faces, and it's it's one of those things. For him, it
• 33:52
  was the reference. He went on to say, you know what, what
• 33:55
  kind of person would be able to look at a little kid and call them
• 34:00
  a racial slur? You know, you'd have to have if you were raised
• 34:06
  to do that and and see the disappointment and pain on their face and not
• 34:10
  not care, you know, or take pleasure from it. You would have
• 34:14
  to have been altered in a way that is damaging. It's psychologically damaging.
• 34:20
  And that's we always talked about that on MLKDA, right like we hear about
• 34:28
  him freeing society from from civil rights violations against black people, but he also
• 34:36
  freed a lot of white people from really destructive ways of thinking. So is
• 34:43
  the whole point. The point is is not abnormal to see different species as
• 34:51
  lower than your own, right, it's I mean, it's it's not destructive.
• 34:55
  I mean it's kind of necessary as part of the food chain, which
• 35:00
  you know, you can't get around the idea of a food chain. So
• 35:02
  it's normal. It's normal to see other species as a little bit lesser than
• 35:07
  yourself in some way or another. But seeing other members of your own species
• 35:13
  as lesser than yourself is a part of the destruction. Like no other species
• 35:20
  would put up with that. Humans are the only ones who have experimented with
• 35:24
  putting up with that, and it's not going well. And being raised in
• 35:28
  a practice of cruelty for the sake of cruelty would would make you a very
• 35:31
  sick person as you got older. Right, So that's basically where we were.
• 35:37
  He was going with that lesson, But when I talked about it that
• 35:40
  day, it was kind of derailed by my stupid phone going off in the
• 35:45
  middle of it. I'm like, right at the moment, you know,
• 35:47
  drowning little baby kitten, and my phone says yeah, you're like, oh
• 35:53
  my god, she's doing it right now, We're notok no, But although
• 36:02
  when you give a cat a bath, they will act like you are drowning
• 36:07
  them. Oh yeah, my, when when I was young, we had
• 36:10
  a cat and sorry this is Lauren storytime. This is back in the day
• 36:15
  when we had like a huge oil tank for to heat the house. And
• 36:23
  so one night the cat decided he was going to go down in the basement
• 36:28
  and get stuck underneath it. And yeah, and I don't know what happened
• 36:35
  if if the oil spilled somehow, the cat just got covered in fucking oil.
• 36:40
  So my mom had to take the cat and bathe it, right,
• 36:44
  You can't let the cat just live with this fucking oil. Yeah. Yeah.
• 36:52
  So so she's got the cat in the bathtub and you know, she's
• 36:58
  just trying to hold him down and bathing, and cat was just not having
• 37:02
  any of it, and he sliced her from her wrist almost halfway down to
• 37:07
  her elbow. Yep. Yeah, that's that's exactly the way feminists react antype
• 37:15
  feminist exactly like a cat takes the water. Oh my gosh, So yeah,
• 37:23
  he has this thing. Fact media content continues to show patterns of male
• 37:28
  dominance and sexual stereotyping. You know, like the Oprah Winfrey Show. Wait
• 37:32
  no, no, wait no, not not Oprah. Oprah's an angel,
• 37:36
  right, oh yeah, the view that male dominated the view totally. No,
• 37:44
  it's it's bullshit. If women want to do this, they can do
• 37:46
  this. We can do this. We're doing it. We didn't ask anybody's
• 37:51
  permission, right, We just did it. And I didn't have to go
• 37:58
  through a gauntlet of me men judging me for being female. When I was
• 38:02
  fifteen years old and wanted to be a sports photographer, like, I just
• 38:07
  went in and showed my work to the editor and my references and got the
• 38:15
  job because I was good at what I was doing. A lot of news
• 38:20
  media actually is dominated by female personalities. A lot of big news anchors are
• 38:24
  female. You know. You look at movies and television, a lot of
• 38:32
  the most popular personalities, the most sought after, the ones that sell the
• 38:37
  most magazines, the ones that get the most interviews women, you know,
• 38:45
  and it's not something new. You look at actresses like Goldiehan. I mean,
• 38:51
  Goldiehan made a career, you could say, out of making fun of
• 38:58
  the blonde bimbo stereotype, right, and feminists would be like, no,
• 39:02
  she perpetuated it. No, no, no, she was over the top
• 39:06
  for a reason, right, And so yeah, she was was making fun
• 39:12
  of the blonde bimbo stereotype for a great deal of her career. But that's
• 39:15
  not the only thing she did. She has been a writer, a screenwriter,
• 39:22
  she has been a director, she has been a producer. I've had
• 39:27
  a lot of women who complain about women being underrepresented don't know her career.
• 39:34
  She's a brilliant woman. And she didn't go along and say why I need
• 39:37
  permission from a lot of men to do this. I don't know it's okay
• 39:40
  for me to try this because I'm female. She just did it right.
• 39:46
  She made as much money as she needed to make to live the rest of
• 39:52
  her life, and then she fucked off. And I appreciate that, even
• 39:58
  even the people who are good at their jobs, who I like, I
• 40:00
  absolutely respect for just making as much money as they need and then fucking I
• 40:07
  wish more Hollywood people would do that. Ye. So the idea that being
• 40:14
  female holds women back from this and you know, bullshit, right, And
• 40:19
  of course, the idea of stereotyping is itself an oversimplification. There's a lot
• 40:24
  of what you see in Hollywood exists to poke fun at stereotypes. A lot
• 40:30
  of it exists in to to uh, you know, entertain people, but
• 40:35
  it doesn't necessarily promote the idea that you have to live that way. And
• 40:39
  I'll give you a really good example. When I was growing up, part
• 40:44
  of my parents push, their anti drug push, was to watch Cheech and
• 40:52
  Chong with us. And those movies are hilarious, right, Their comedy was
• 41:00
  hilarious. They're they're you know, the the routines they did on the the
• 41:07
  old thirty three long play records, right, the thirty three Speed long Play
• 41:12
  records. Earache my Eye was hilarious. You know, all of that was
• 41:16
  hilarious. But do you want to be the one that everybody's laughing at because,
• 41:22
  uh, they looked ridiculous and that was their whole thing. Yeah,
• 41:28
  these guys, these guys are hilarious, but the characters they're portraying are stupid
• 41:32
  as hell? Is that what you want? You want to be the stupidest
• 41:35
  hell person that everybody laughs at. You know, it's it's fun to laugh
• 41:37
  at stoner movies. It's fun to watch stoner movies. But if you're imitating
• 41:43
  the stoners, there's something wrong, and and that's fine, that's that's a
• 41:46
  great way for parents to use that stereotype. Well, I know a lot
• 41:52
  of people that use marijuana, Like I may not partake because I'm chicken.
• 41:59
  I will. I'm terrified of that. I'm gonna be allergic to it and
• 42:04
  not be able to explain at the hospital what's going on because I'm high.
• 42:08
  So I'm not doing that, not taking a chance. No, you see
• 42:15
  what's going on. I was in the exact situation with mushrooms once, and
• 42:22
  this as much of that story as I'm willing to tell. I'm not doing
• 42:27
  that because sometimes when I'm allergic to things, my body tries to end itself.
• 42:31
  So no, But but I don't judge anybody else for it, Like
• 42:36
  that's not that's not my business. You do what you're gonna do, right,
• 42:38
  And most of them will smoke a joint now and then, and everything
• 42:43
  else about him is perfectly normal. I've met one person who was bipolar who,
• 42:50
  when she would smoke a joint about once a week, wasn't bipolar.
• 42:57
  I don't know what the chemical thing in regard to brain chemistry versus THHD and
• 43:01
  all that was with her. But it worked, so did my opinion.
• 43:06
  It was a good thing, right, But the stereotype is still there.
• 43:12
  Do we all believe that all people who smoke pot are like Cheech and Chong?
• 43:17
  Yeah? I don't think so. I mean, I don't think you
• 43:21
  say, I voted to legalize recreational marijuana. So yeah, Oh, this
• 43:27
  is a drop of the ocean compared to all the rap music that we've heard.
• 43:30
  I mean, I love Cypress Hill more than more than any other gangster
• 43:35
  rap band, if they can even be called a gangster rap thing. But
• 43:37
  DIDs and I and that's the tip of the ice, I guess, as
• 43:44
  I said, with regard to how much music glorifies marijuana use. And you
• 43:49
  know, I'm fine with that because maybe that was part of why of what
• 43:54
  eventually got the American government to say, okay, so sorry, we illegalized
• 44:01
  weed and told all of you other countries to illegalize weed, but we're going
• 44:05
  to stop doing it now. And I just sat here confused, thinking,
• 44:10
  why, why why my vassal state country is still illegalizing weed. Yeah.
• 44:20
  I you know, honestly, the people that I'm sorry to for the fact
• 44:23
  that this happened, that that we had weed outlawed for so long in the
• 44:29
  US before we started talking about legalizing it and everything. Are the people that
• 44:36
  spent years or decades in jail for selling it, yeah, or just possessing
• 44:43
  it yea, or just possessing it. There's that, and then then there's
• 44:46
  the cancer patients who who's who's their lives have been, you know, completely
• 44:52
  transformed by it. And you know, I think that's we we have this
• 44:59
  stigma because because Connecticut just they legalized recreational marijuana, right, so it's it's
• 45:05
  it's a whole new world out here. I literally smoked the blood while I'm
• 45:10
  walking past a police car, and I was freaked out. But at the
• 45:15
  same time, I'm like, wait a minute, this is okay, and
• 45:17
  yes it was. Now on the walk, we passed a family that had
• 45:25
  young children, you know, and it's like, oh, well, you
• 45:30
  know, listen, I agree that I don't think that anyone should have to
• 45:36
  be suscepted to something that they don't consent to, right, whether it be
• 45:39
  secondhand smoke or sex or whatever. Right, fine, but I think that
• 45:46
  we have downplayed the health benefits of marijuana, and even in children it's even
• 45:53
  beneficial to children. So you know, listen, smoke isn't smoking, right,
• 46:02
  and it's edible for him. It's definitely a different story, right,
• 46:07
  But that's you know, all that, all that aside. Like the point
• 46:10
  I'm making here is that stereotypes don't necessarily control people's way of thinking, right,
• 46:16
  And you know, we this is this is like old news to gen
• 46:23
  xers. It's very frustrating to see gen Y and uh the zoomers trying to
• 46:31
  bring this all back and hash this all out all over again. We had
• 46:37
  TV shows growing up that that busted that crap wide open, where you know,
• 46:44
  we looked at stereotypes in some of them, and we looked at real
• 46:49
  life types of circumstances in some of them. And these issues were treated as
• 46:57
  something to break open and pick at and examine, maybe laugh at aspects of
• 47:04
  them, maybe cry about aspects of them, and then draw our own conclusions
• 47:08
  on and decide how we were going to live, you know. And I
• 47:14
  mean, if you go back to this would have been more after we were
• 47:20
  you know, college age and older, a lot of it. But arcle,
• 47:25
  you know, there's all these stereotypes that you hear, Oh yeah,
• 47:30
  people stereotype black men is big and strong and great athletes and not very bright
• 47:37
  and all this stuff. Well, where the hell did Erkle come from?
• 47:39
  M hm? Right, what was the point of that show? You know?
• 47:44
  And it was it was formulaic and funny, and it was the old
• 47:51
  vaudeville formula of people getting themselves into ridiculous situations and then having ridiculous antics trying
• 47:57
  to get out of those ridiculous situations. But it also hit deep issues.
• 48:01
  It also hit the stereotypes, that hit the way that people look at each
• 48:07
  other, It hit prejudices, it hit human behavior, and it would yank
• 48:10
  on your heart strings too. And that's that wasn't something that came about last
• 48:16
  week, right, That was that was something that came about years and years
• 48:21
  ago. And so we're we've gone way backwards on this. So all this
• 48:25
  crap he says about male dominance and sexist stereotyping and who's whose control, you
• 48:31
  know, ownership and so on, in my opinion, none of that that
• 48:37
  crap is relevant. It doesn't matter if there are stereotypes poor trade, It
• 48:44
  doesn't matter if there are issues that things that you don't like, poor trade,
• 48:51
  And it doesn't even matter who owns the media companies, the conglomerates,
• 48:57
  the small media companies. Whatever. What matters is what you personally take from
• 49:01
  it and how you and your your circle of acquaintances, friends and acquaintances order
• 49:08
  your lives and respond to it. When you look at things and say,
• 49:12
  well, that's realistic, that's unrealistic, and so on, are you imitating
• 49:15
  somebody that you saw in a television program that is intended to just entertain people,
• 49:22
  or are you acting on your own personal matrix. I guess, your
• 49:30
  own personal web net pattern of beliefs and values and interests. I guess he
• 49:39
  thinks women are too dumb to do that. But he goes on to say,
• 49:46
  anti feminist commentators often claim that we live in a massandric or man hating
• 49:51
  culture in which the media is dominated by anti male content. This is false.
• 49:55
  Looking at media content, it is simply false to claim that there are
• 50:00
  are uniformly negative representations of men. Instead, there are far more representations of
• 50:06
  men than women. Now, one thing I'm gonna hit before we go there,
• 50:10
  because there's three bullet points here. Then he goes men are depicted in
• 50:15
  a wider range of behavior than women, and there are at least as many
• 50:17
  men who play heroes as villains. So I'm gonna say he doesn't get it,
• 50:22
  first of all, at all. Right, the uniformly negative thing,
• 50:28
  that's a straw man, The missandric thing that's a straw man. We say
• 50:31
  we live in a guiness centric culture that prioritizes women. Missingry exists, and
• 50:36
  there's a lot of things that are missandric. But we have not claimed that
• 50:42
  culture is man hating. We have claimed that culture ignores men, the culture
• 50:47
  dismisses men because women are more important in the eyes of our culture, and
• 50:52
  that is true. And I will also point out some of the things that
• 50:59
  he's claimed not mutually exclusive. Uniformly negative representations of men are not mutually exclusive,
• 51:06
  with far more representations of men than women, for instance, right right,
• 51:15
  just because there might be more men represented than women, But in no
• 51:24
  way are we negatively representing those men at all. Not those husbands that can't
• 51:34
  figure out how to wash the clothes and the woman has to come in and
• 51:37
  say, here, it's just you need the magic of blah blah blah,
• 51:43
  Are you kidding me? And it's so it's simple as that, but it
• 51:47
  goes so much deeper. I mean, the media is openly hostile towards men.
• 51:55
  I don't think there's a show that we have watched so far that doesn't
• 52:00
  in some way play against this or play up to this. Right, it's
• 52:07
  always the man's pet. The woman has to come in and save him.
• 52:10
  Forget about it. Representation, would you say, Homer Simpson represents when it
• 52:19
  comes down, that is exactly who I'm thinking of, you know what I
• 52:22
  mean, he's the stupid husband. His only purpose there is to go to
• 52:29
  work and maintain the fucking household. That's it. And not maintain the household
• 52:35
  as in keeping it clean. It's just he's paying for everything somehow, I
• 52:38
  don't know. And his face is the total opposite of blackface. It's an
• 52:45
  analogous to blackface. This is something else and pointed out like ten years ago,
• 52:51
  and nobody picks up. Yep, yeah, it's I mean, it's
• 52:55
  all hidden behind the yellow. But you can do. You can do with
• 53:00
  white men what blackface did with black men all that time ago. And it's
• 53:07
  fine when you do it to white men out because because of this idea of
• 53:12
  if you just flip the script, you don't have to just not be racist.
• 53:16
  You have to be anti racist, you have to flip the script and
• 53:21
  make it the other kind of racist, and you have no exit plan.
• 53:24
  Ever, so we keep doing this forever and until a different thing becomes the
• 53:31
  dominant race, and then we do the same thing with that until that race
• 53:37
  becomes less dominant, and then and then you do the same thing with Jepper.
• 53:43
  A third generation of race is the most dominant, and you keep going.
• 53:47
  It's the same. It's the same kind of purity spiral that has been
• 53:51
  experienced by many I I guess ideologies that we're not even allowed to name on
• 53:59
  YouTube lest we get the monitory. You know, there's a there's another thing
• 54:06
  too, and I could I could go on and on about, like,
• 54:10
  well, how to Beavis and butt Head represent males? You know, how
• 54:14
  does out Bundie represent males? Blah blah blah. But let's let's look at
• 54:17
  one other thing. How are the motivations of good guy versus bad guy men
• 54:23
  portrayed versus the motivations of women in the types of characters that that you see
• 54:30
  in entertainment media. You look at the men, excuse me, the men
• 54:37
  who are portrayed as heroes, their motivations aren't usually themselves, their motivations aren't
• 54:43
  usually I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna overcome my limits. I'm going
• 54:50
  to be the best. I'm going to top everybody else. You know,
• 54:52
  once in a while you'll see that avenging my love of my life and my
• 54:59
  children. I'm gonna rest my daughter, right you killed my fucking dog.
• 55:05
  You know, But you don't. You don't get unless it is a story
• 55:12
  of athletic success. And even then, when it's it's true to life,
• 55:17
  the motivation is still for my wife at home, for my family, for
• 55:23
  my neighborhood. You know, it's not just I'm I'm doing this because I
• 55:30
  want I want. It's I can show them that people of my demographic can
• 55:37
  do this. And certainly it's never it's never for the sake of men.
• 55:45
  The protagonist of a story never does anything for the day's vault of men,
• 55:52
  right, But for the pride of the male is it's always either because of
• 56:00
  their family, their their their women and their children, or it's because of
• 56:07
  their tribe, or it's because of their city, or is because of their
• 56:13
  country, or even further than that. Let's hope it doesn't go as far
• 56:17
  as as far as my globe, because because men will do anything for anything,
• 56:24
  anything they're told is important, and arguably what's important is their family and
• 56:34
  possibly their country. Now, those of us in the in the sensible center
• 56:39
  will say, the only thing that's important is that which lies between the family
• 56:44
  and the country. Beyond that, it's sort of we're rubbing up against those
• 56:51
  who are like, no, fuck the family, fuck the country. We
• 56:53
  need the globe and perhaps perhaps whatever lies below that, right, people who
• 57:00
  don't even give a shit about the tribe, people who only give a shit
• 57:02
  about their individual selves. And that's an important point to make as well.
• 57:07
  Yes there is an individualistic equivalent. That's something that's just just as degenerate as
• 57:15
  the globalists. And yeah, and yeah, you can see those are both
• 57:19
  cringey terms to say, but that's because they're so absurd. But we need
• 57:23
  to bear both of these things in mind. It's possible to become too collectivist,
• 57:30
  that's all over the place, yes, But it's also possible to become
• 57:32
  too individualist, and that's less of a problem. But ironically you can see
• 57:38
  how the two cross over. That it's not as if hyperindividualism is disconnected from
• 57:46
  hyper collectivism. One can be used as a siphon towards the other. And
• 57:52
  that's I could talk about that for hours if I could script everything I need
• 57:58
  to say right now, but that's sorry. We we're talking about Michael Flood,
• 58:01
  and we're trying to get into our third sentence, so honestly, we're
• 58:06
  about we're a little bit into the page. Actually we've gone a few paragraphs
• 58:10
  here. But the interesting thing about his going on about, uh, you
• 58:16
  know, representations of men and women here is I don't think he said anything
• 58:22
  about this. He talks about how much money they make here, you know,
• 58:24
  and stuff. But what we just talked about with regard to male characters,
• 58:29
  you know, and at the other end of it is the bad guy
• 58:31
  male character wants to control people. He wants to be famous, he wants
• 58:36
  to be rich. Sometimes he wants all of those three things, right,
• 58:39
  or he wants to control a particular woman, or you know, somebody,
• 58:45
  somebody made him mad because they picked on him personally, because his life was
• 58:51
  rough, and now he wants to just hurt everybody because he's been hurt so
• 58:55
  much. Right, those are the bad guy men, you know, those
• 58:59
  are the motive for being the villain. But women, those motivations can be
• 59:07
  the motivations of a protagonist woman. Gone Girl was a feminist anthem, and
• 59:16
  the protagonist was a sociopath. Gone Girl was a woman who took a false
• 59:24
  allegation as far as she could and then used it to trap her husband in
• 59:31
  a loveless relationship where he knew she might do that to him again at any
• 59:37
  time. Oh Jesus Christ, I've never seen the movie. Oh my God,
• 59:42
  she goes on a whole. Uh, she like she takes off she
• 59:46
  she actually got urine from a pregnant woman to make it look like she was
• 59:51
  pregnant, and then disappeared like it was. She made it look like he
• 59:54
  killed her. She created a fake crime scene in everything and and then disappeared,
• 1:00:05
  And she exploited an ex boyfriend who was completely and totally snowed under a
• 1:00:10
  complete semp for her, and then eventually killed him, went back to her
• 1:00:16
  husband. And in the story, because she's a woman claiming to have been
• 1:00:23
  kidnapped and defended herself against you know this this ex, they won't question her
• 1:00:30
  story. They won't dig into it like it's it's a feminist anthem. I
• 1:00:35
  don't know if it was written for feminists or by feminists. But the chill
• 1:00:39
  Girl narrative comes from that story. And that's a feminist protagonist right there.
• 1:00:49
  And that's that's a woman protagonist. There are women in movies who are portrayed
• 1:00:55
  as the hero of the movie, the protagonist for movie, because they learn
• 1:01:00
  to put themselves first before everybody else, like apparently we're supposed to believe they
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  should. Like that's you know, that's the end conclusion. Now, there
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  are also women who are portrayed the way men are portrayed, like and it's
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  not necessarily you know, the fame goal can be in there, the wanting
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  money goal can be in there, but the motivation where they care about the
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  kids in their neighborhood and they want to do something to improve their circumstances,
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  or they have a family that they need to get out of circumstances that are
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  causing the kids to grow up with bad lessons and stuff. You know,
• 1:01:45
  things like that. Those exist, and I love stories like that, But
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  it's women can be portrayed as heroes based on the things that make men villains
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  in movies, right, And women portrayed as villains are usually trying to hurt
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  other women and their children or their husbands or their communities or whatever you know,
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  and now a counterexample like the women that get portrayed like men. There
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  was a movie I saw ages ago. I remember getting to sit and watch
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  this movie because I was injured, and the title was Honey, I Think,
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  And the main character was why can I not think of anybody's fucking name
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  today? She's she's a really pretty girl, and she's and she's been in
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  a lot of things, and I should be able to remember her name,
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  but I can't off the top of my head. She was the first thing
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  I saw was in TV show where she supposedly had cat DNA. Was really
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  unscientific, but it was entertaining in I can't think of her name. It's
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  really stupid. But the movie Honey, she her motivation. A big part
• 1:03:07
  of her motivation was the kids in her neighborhood, Jessica Jessica Alba. The
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  thing I liked about that movie was her use of dance as a way to
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  help kids rehabilitate themselves that had gotten into bad circumstances and gotten themselves into trouble
• 1:03:27
  and everything that was cool. That and her wanting to be famous isn't necessarily
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  bad. It's not my gig, but it's not bad dark angel. Yeah,
• 1:03:37
  there we go. People know who I'm talking about. Uh, But
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  but yeah, women can be portrayed that way and it makes a good film,
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  right. I love those types of stories, especially when there are successes.
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  The bad guy in that movie. The villain in that movie was portrayed
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  as a guy whose main motive was to sexually harass her. Right, So
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  there's the stereotype. That is the one thing that kind of cheesed me off
• 1:04:05
  about the movies, like, can't they have a bad guy that? You
• 1:04:09
  know, they could have had the bad guy there was. There were also
• 1:04:12
  villains that wanted to force the kids into gangs, and that was a little
• 1:04:15
  more realistic in my opinion. But yeah, the bad guy always has to
• 1:04:20
  be like a pervert or a you know, some sort of sexist this or
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  that. And female anthems, right, you can't have even a good female
• 1:04:30
  anthem without that. But it can be done, you know. And it's
• 1:04:35
  sad that feminists object to men having a wider range of behavior in their depictions,
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  when in reality, when you look at how the characters are portrayed and
• 1:04:50
  their motives are portrayed, and their personalities, their characteristics are portrayed. What's
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  heroic in men versus what's heroic in women? If you really want something feminists
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  should be complaining about, it's the fact that women are encouraged to view themselves
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  as heroes for being selfish. But uh so, he goes on, there
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  are at least as many men who play heroes as villains, which wasn't really
• 1:05:29
  a point. A point that doesn't that that does anything to counter what we've
• 1:05:32
  talked about. No, and and if we want to talk about characters playing
• 1:05:41
  heroes, how many times do we see women playing these hero roles that are
• 1:05:46
  unjustified. They're they're the Mary Sues, right. It just I don't know
• 1:05:54
  how I got here, but I just got all these superpowers and now I'm
• 1:05:57
  going to save the world, you know what I mean. It's like,
• 1:06:00
  come on, you have to take a balance. Look at this shit.
• 1:06:05
  It's just but he can't do that. It's just it's there's a penis on
• 1:06:10
  the screen, so that means that men are dominating. Well, the other
• 1:06:14
  thing is, let's take a look at superheroes. Right, If the guy
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  is a superhero, it is okay socially for the writer to explore what an
• 1:06:24
  arrogant asshole his powers have contributed to him becoming right, he knows what he
• 1:06:30
  can do, he knows what he can get out of it, and he
• 1:06:34
  knows that that he is far above other people in certain ways, and he
• 1:06:40
  gets full of himself. He stops recognizing other people's autonomy around him, you
• 1:06:47
  know. Or he he starts using violence where nonviolent solutions would would suffice,
• 1:06:58
  and then he gets criticized for it by his team members, or he gets
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  portrayed as going through a crisis of identity and conscience because of his impact on
• 1:07:10
  the world around him, and he learns important lessons like with great power comes
• 1:07:17
  great responsibility. He learns important lessons like you can't be an asshole and have
• 1:07:26
  people still trust you. If you destroy a shitload of property, it affects
• 1:07:31
  the people that you just saved. You know, the whole of that.
• 1:07:36
  With female characters, female heroes, female superheroes are allowed to be jerks and
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  nobody's allowed to say anything about it because they're getting their own back from the
• 1:07:49
  patriarchy, right, And what was that movie where I'm so bad at this?
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  But the one where she tried to steal the motorcycle from the guy.
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  But she's supposed to be a superhero. Yeah shit, I can't think of
• 1:08:05
  her name. I have not watched very many of the the more recent Marvel
• 1:08:12
  movies because I've gotten annoyed with the portrayal of the female heroes. But that's
• 1:08:17
  one of the examples. Like that one went around and I I saw enough
• 1:08:23
  descriptions of the scene that I had to go find it and captain Marvel,
• 1:08:29
  Thank you Yanks, And yeah she she was an asshole, right And and
• 1:08:35
  anime this happens a lot too. Like the male characters have to be honorable,
• 1:08:41
  The male characters have to be kind, patient, the heroes have to
• 1:08:45
  tolerate being victims of violence, and if they don't, they have to go
• 1:08:51
  through, like I said, that crisis of conscience and that crisis of identity
• 1:09:00
  and stuff. Whereas it's a lot more rare even in anime. There are
• 1:09:04
  female characters that go through that in anime as opposed to Western meat, but
• 1:09:08
  it's still a lot more rare, and they do still have a lot more
• 1:09:12
  leeway to be assholes, and sometimes it's more comedic, like when they're assholes
• 1:09:17
  to the guys then the other way around. Now there there's some anime that
• 1:09:24
  will go both ways with that. ORANM one half or one slash two or
• 1:09:29
  whatever you call it, does that. I never understood how to read that
• 1:09:31
  properly. But for people unfamiliar with that one, if you know, Inuyasha
• 1:09:39
  was by the same creator and it's funny, but you know, it's a
• 1:09:44
  gender bender cartoon. But for the most part, when you look at Western
• 1:09:49
  media, yeah, I had to criticize women for being assholes very much,
• 1:09:56
  and that's changed too. So I remember growing up up watching television shows and
• 1:10:01
  movies and stuff where women had crises of conscience and identity over being an asshole
• 1:10:09
  because they had some degree of power and figuring out that hey, you know
• 1:10:14
  that's not okay, and but but it's it's not allowed anymore. And that's
• 1:10:19
  a result that's a direct result of the feminist push against criticism. You know,
• 1:10:30
  you can't criticize women so at all. He goes on there. Thus
• 1:10:38
  there is a diversity of positive and negative roles, especially for white men,
• 1:10:43
  so of course he has to get skin color in. There no no diversity
• 1:10:48
  of positive and negative roles for black men, right, All black men are
• 1:10:51
  portrayed as what drug dealers and drug dealers and and bums or something. Right,
• 1:11:01
  there's there's no movies about great black black athletes that overcame difficult upbringing.
• 1:11:10
  And uh, certainly not about any great black influencers of society or anything.
• 1:11:19
  Malcolm X didn't exist. No, no movies about those guys at all.
• 1:11:24
  They don't exist. It's not it's not needy. Uh. Maybe I don't
• 1:11:30
  know this because he's making all of these claims yet he has nothing cited to
• 1:11:35
  back up the things that he's saying, so he's just blow viating. It's
• 1:11:41
  it's just this is what I feel, and these are my facts. I
• 1:11:45
  claim these are facts. And here's here's why you're wrong. He did sit
• 1:11:49
  anderson about the being as many men who play here as his villains, and
• 1:11:55
  that's okay. I don't know if that's a link listed down below, I
• 1:11:59
  don't see. I'm thinking I'm supposed to be like, go down to reference
• 1:12:02
  number seventy five. I don't see seventy five references here with numbers. I
• 1:12:10
  don't see that many numbered references. Look, I'll have to go back down
• 1:12:13
  and go back through this and look for the references. But he does occasionally
• 1:12:17
  have a reference. I don't think the reference is for all the bullet points,
• 1:12:21
  but it might be. But I think the Anderson that he is referencing
• 1:12:26
  is the Anderson that came and spoke at ice My. I want to say
• 1:12:32
  he was twenty eighteen. It might have been twenty sixteen, but I see
• 1:12:35
  my London, and one of the two ICMI is in London. And I
• 1:12:42
  don't know if he would agree with Flood's portrayal of his writing as a debunking
• 1:12:50
  of men's rights complaints. Yeah, just based on the way that he engaged
• 1:12:56
  with people at the at the event, I don't think he was anti m
• 1:13:00
  r A at all. Hm. But yeah, anti feminist commentators claim that
• 1:13:09
  women are taking over the major institutions of society, including mass media taking over
• 1:13:15
  Uh, yes, totally. They're just flooding in there with their high heeled
• 1:13:17
  shoes and their their Madonna bras and and walking in like they owned the place,
• 1:13:24
  and nicky gay with their three inch heels, right totally, That's that's
• 1:13:28
  the claim. The claim has no bearing on feminist influence and on the whole
• 1:13:35
  the whole ESG and D. I think we we aren't talking about that at
• 1:13:39
  all. It's all about women taking these institutions over. That's that's the claim.
• 1:13:45
  The reality is that that's another giant straw man. But he goes on
• 1:13:54
  to claim that it claims it continues to show male dominance and sexist stereotyping,
• 1:14:00
  and his list major male characters in top grossing films outnumber female characters seventy three
• 1:14:06
  percent, twenty seven percent. Oh no, oh no. I wonder where
• 1:14:13
  we might also see reflections of this in our entertainment arenas anybody checking it with
• 1:14:20
  soccer these days? Uh? And the WNBA. Yeah, oh this is
• 1:14:28
  it's not It's not a sexist thing. Listen, if a woman does a
• 1:14:39
  good job, right, if she can bring people to the box office and
• 1:14:43
  sell movie tickets, then find it doesn't mean that it's a sexist thing.
• 1:14:48
  If perhaps another movie comes out and the male is the starring role, and
• 1:14:54
  maybe the writing is better, maybe the directing is better, Maybe they it
• 1:15:00
  weigh much more on the budget to make it look more appealing on film,
• 1:15:05
  right, maybe if the story is more captivating. Yeah, none of that
• 1:15:10
  is even taken into into account here. It's just well, more people went
• 1:15:15
  to see the men than when to see the women, So obviously it's it's
• 1:15:21
  just we're just sexist against the women's So I gotta I got a conundrum for
• 1:15:27
  him. I want him to watch The Never Ending Story, the original.
• 1:15:32
  Tell me whether he thinks the Impress is a major character in the film,
• 1:15:39
  right, because uh, I think she was. Mm hmm. You know,
• 1:15:46
  the the hero a tray. You goes on this quest, this this
• 1:15:51
  coming of age quest for the Empress, right, You're just gonna die if
• 1:15:57
  he doesn't. Yep. Doesn't that make her a major character? Her importance
• 1:16:08
  without? Oh no, there be no film. What that does is show
• 1:16:12
  how dominant the male has to be because he has to be the savior.
• 1:16:15
  He's got to be the one to do all the action that seems the woman.
• 1:16:19
  So he's really the main figure here. It's not about her wants or
• 1:16:24
  needs. Yeah, not at all. So his motivation totally got lost in
• 1:16:28
  the swamps of sadness. Right. It's it really is difficult for me to
• 1:16:38
  to to not laugh at feminists when they pull this shit. So let's look
• 1:16:43
  at what we were talking about before with regard to male characters motivations and female
• 1:16:48
  characters motivations. Right, there's a type of speech, a type of sentence
• 1:16:54
  structure in English language that uses a phenomenon called you and in parentheses understood.
• 1:17:04
  If I say open the pod bay doors, Hell right, but I leave
• 1:17:11
  off hel right, open the pod bay doors, and I'm speaking to Hell
• 1:17:15
  and Hell knows it, that's you understood, right. So when we are
• 1:17:25
  shown at the beginning or in the backstory of a heroic male character that his
• 1:17:33
  motivation is to benefit, or rescue or honor well you know which, which
• 1:17:42
  are three big major ones. A female character whose value to him is portrayed
• 1:17:48
  in in even briefly in the film by showing the female character who she was
• 1:17:55
  to him, what happened to her, or you know why, that motivation
• 1:18:00
  relates to this quest, this thing that's going on with him. That's that's
• 1:18:06
  similar to that you understood. That doesn't leave the viewer. The viewer doesn't
• 1:18:12
  suddenly forget throughout the entire rest of the movie. That portrayal of the importance
• 1:18:17
  of the daughter that needs rescued, the inspiring wife or girlfriend who's whose honor
• 1:18:30
  or love or personality inspired this guy's whole life philosophy, or or mother or
• 1:18:40
  adoptive mother vash the stampede right, his whole life philosophy comes out of the
• 1:18:46
  way that she was. I'm going to be the person that she would have
• 1:18:51
  wanted me to be. You know, all of that is representation of women,
• 1:19:00
  and it's not a godlike representation of women. It's a representation of the
• 1:19:06
  relationship between men and women and how a man makes himself the best person that
• 1:19:15
  he can be as a way of showing his love. It's something that something
• 1:19:21
  that I've always said women could learn from. When we do that, we
• 1:19:27
  are as successful as men in our endeavors. When we don't do that,
• 1:19:33
  we end up sitting around whining about how everything is male dominated. So I
• 1:19:40
  don't buy the whole seventy three percent twenty seven percent because it's a lot like
• 1:19:44
  the way feminists treat female power. Well, influence doesn't exist, it's not
• 1:19:48
  power when they're talking about power, right, I don't know if that I
• 1:19:59
  hope that. I hope that I'm explaining that right. I hope people are
• 1:20:02
  understanding what I'm putting down here, because this I'm sure there's gonna be feminist
• 1:20:06
  out there going. So you're saying that a woman can be the dominant character
• 1:20:11
  in the film after only a thirty second scene like, no, saying that
• 1:20:15
  the woman is not dominated by the man's time screen time when she's the reason
• 1:20:24
  for it. But then he goes men men make up fifty five percent of
• 1:20:31
  regular characters in primetime TV. Again, he's just looking at numbers, and
• 1:20:39
  it's he's not actually focused on the actual treatment the portrayal of those men.
• 1:20:46
  You know, well, I would say that go ahead. You know what,
• 1:20:54
  there are things that people want to watch men doing that they don't get
• 1:20:58
  excited watching women doing. Right, just you know, so there's the portrayal
• 1:21:05
  that there's also the doing. Yeah. I don't know if I don't know
• 1:21:17
  if I derailed you there or not, but no, I'm just sorry.
• 1:21:24
  Allergies, whatever this cold is is just you know, affecting. I understand
• 1:21:30
  that I'm going through the same thing. It's that time of year and the
• 1:21:34
  weather it's been like, oh it's going to be super cold. Oh it's
• 1:21:36
  going to be super warm. It's going to be super cold. Oh it's
• 1:21:39
  going to be super warm. Oh it's moldy. How did that happen?
• 1:21:44
  But yeah, we watched men exert themselves in ways that women. I don't
• 1:21:48
  know. It's it's interesting when women do it, not as many women are
• 1:21:53
  expected to do it, it's not it's not portrayed the same way when women
• 1:21:57
  do it. We don't watch women getting We don't want to watch women tearing
• 1:22:03
  themselves up. We don't Nobody would want to watch a group of women in
• 1:22:12
  battle, defending ah in a losing battle, ultimately defending a small piece of
• 1:22:18
  land, uh where where they're They're ultimate win is that they delayed another military
• 1:22:29
  group and then and then they all die honorably and grossly, and that kind
• 1:22:34
  of thing. Nobody would want to watch that, because I know you like
• 1:22:43
  i'd watch it. But the thing is that most people would be looking for
• 1:22:47
  somebody to sympathize with. They'd be looking for something to come along and change
• 1:22:55
  the situation so the women didn't all die. They'd be looking for somebody to
• 1:22:58
  rescue the women, or they'd be looking looking for you know, how is
• 1:23:00
  it misogynistic that these women are dying exactly exactly they shouldn't have had to go.
• 1:23:06
  Right, When you have a portrayal like that, it's of men.
• 1:23:13
  And of course historical portrayals of war and things like that, those are going
• 1:23:17
  to be of men, right, right, So I'm part of this I'm
• 1:23:23
  wondering men makeup fifty five percent of the regular characters in primetime TV. Does
• 1:23:28
  that include comparing TV shows about things that are male issues like war for the
• 1:23:38
  most part of the male issue, right, and comparing those two TV shows
• 1:23:46
  that have a lot of female characters or you know, and also have male
• 1:23:53
  characters where it's just an everyday life thing. Because I suspect that that if
• 1:24:00
  you look at if you take out that portrayal of things that you would only
• 1:24:05
  expect to see men doing, and you just compare shows where the roles are
• 1:24:13
  things are filled by both sexes, because there are things that you would expect
• 1:24:17
  both sexes to be doing, right, and you make that comparison again,
• 1:24:23
  you know, you're not comparing apples to oranges. You probably would find even
• 1:24:28
  closer to fifty to fifty to fifty five percent is not that bad? No,
• 1:24:32
  absolutely not. And again, there's so much more to say about this
• 1:24:40
  whole thing primetime TV. So does everybody know how the Nielsen ratings are collected?
• 1:24:49
  They just randomly send out these not randomly, I think they select a
• 1:24:55
  few whatever, And that used to be the standard for how they chose what
• 1:25:00
  they showed and at what slots, right, Because television used to be the
• 1:25:06
  thing that it used to be appointment viewing. Everybody would come home and they
• 1:25:12
  would sit, they would eat dinner, sitting around the television is especially if
• 1:25:16
  something major happened. You know, That's not the case these days. People
• 1:25:23
  don't come home and turn on the television. People come home and they get
• 1:25:28
  on the internet. So this whole primetime TV thing, I'm gonna need a
• 1:25:33
  little bit more clarification as to what exactly you're talking about here, Michael,
• 1:25:38
  because who are you talking about? Number one, number two? What are
• 1:25:44
  you considering primetime TV? Are you only talking about people who are sitting their
• 1:25:50
  ass on the couch and you know, pressing the buttons on the remote and
• 1:25:55
  watching channel two, four, five, seven nine. You know, this
• 1:26:01
  doesn't it just doesn't hold any weight for me. I suspect he's talking about
• 1:26:08
  the boomers who don't come home and go to the internet because they're already home.
• 1:26:13
  Yeah, they come home and they switch on the TV. To a
• 1:26:17
  boomer, the television is like the church. If someone's been going to church
• 1:26:25
  every Sunday for fifty years, you can't get through to them, and you
• 1:26:28
  probably don't need to because it's probably not a problem. But in any case,
• 1:26:33
  if they've been going to the same place every Sunday for fifty years,
• 1:26:39
  even if you're a member of their family, you're not going to be able
• 1:26:43
  to get through to them because they've been conditioned with those things. Compare that
• 1:26:47
  with boomers who have been coming home from work and listening to the television not
• 1:26:55
  just every Sunday, but every day for fifty years. I mean that,
• 1:27:01
  I think of how difficult it is to undo a Christian from their from from
• 1:27:08
  their Christian teachings. That it's uh, well, roughly seven times as difficult
• 1:27:15
  to deprogram a boomer from what they've been programmed to believe by the television that
• 1:27:24
  they've been listening to every day, but god knows how many hours every day
• 1:27:29
  for fifty years. So yeah, you kind of can't. You know.
• 1:27:34
  One of the biggest television scandals of the boomer era in the United States at
• 1:27:41
  least, was finding out game shows were fake. Mm everything, everything,
• 1:27:47
  even that thing you think isn't fake, No, that's fake too. All
• 1:27:50
  of it's fake. Imagine watching TV with this guy. Okay, it's impossible,
• 1:27:58
  I'm not even it's literally all fake. Well, it's like watching Martis
• 1:28:00
  with a literary purist. Either way, it wasn't like that. It wasn't
• 1:28:06
  like that in the book. That's not right. You know. I'm guilty,
• 1:28:11
  I will, I will admit that right now. But yeah, boomers
• 1:28:17
  had a totally different outlook with regards to what you see on TV. Also,
• 1:28:24
  they had to be reminded at ten o'clock at night to wonder where their
• 1:28:27
  children were yet know what the hell was about that. I suppose my parents
• 1:28:30
  needed that, just because I would sneak out of bed and hide behind my
• 1:28:34
  mom's chair and watch TV. It's why I have nightmares about this one scene
• 1:28:38
  from Barbarella where she was going to be eaten by weird robot dolls. And
• 1:28:42
  to this day, I hate those those porcelain doll faced dolls. Like those
• 1:28:48
  things are evil, I know, you know, And even though it's bullshit,
• 1:28:53
  even though I know it's bullshit, right somewhere inside me in my uncanny
• 1:28:59
  valley, I know for a fact that the minute I turned my back on
• 1:29:00
  one of those things is going to try to eat me. But yeah,
• 1:29:06
  Bloomers and television, that's that's probably part of this. I think part of
• 1:29:11
  it too, is television has been dumbed down so much. Oh my god.
• 1:29:17
  Yeah, and yeah, I don't know how many other parents did this,
• 1:29:23
  but with my kids who didn't really watch TV. Yeah, as soon
• 1:29:30
  as it became a thing where you could use you know, s video or
• 1:29:35
  some other means of using your television as a monitor for a computer that was
• 1:29:45
  online and just show it. And I mean you could always use your television
• 1:29:49
  as a monitor. We used it for the Commodore sixty four when when I
• 1:29:55
  was a kid, but where you could play YouTube tube through your television.
• 1:30:02
  We were watching, you know, stuff that we picked out on YouTube.
• 1:30:05
  My my my son used to watch Syriac before school. That was. He
• 1:30:13
  liked that. He liked a bunch of different stuff there was actually, yeah,
• 1:30:18
  he liked that they had a variety of stuff, like we found a
• 1:30:21
  tick on YouTube. We found muppets videos on YouTube. From when I was
• 1:30:26
  a kid. You know, there was another kid close to his age that
• 1:30:30
  did a show on his channel and it was called Stupid News in the Morning
• 1:30:34
  and it was just him playing with his toys and being a little boy.
• 1:30:38
  And my son watched that, you know, it was fun and uh,
• 1:30:43
  and it didn't teach him stupid things about people that were not true, and
• 1:30:49
  you know, it was just entertaining. And uh I I you know,
• 1:30:56
  I think that was probably one of the best things that we could have done
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  in regards to all right, you're gonna watch something for entertainment. Let's find
• 1:31:05
  things that are actually entertaining instead of relying on what gets piped into our house
• 1:31:12
  on the boob tube. But of course, the complaint that men make up
• 1:31:19
  regular fifty five percent of the regular characters in primetime TV, it's more important
• 1:31:27
  prime time TV. So did did do your mom's grow up watch watch soap
• 1:31:34
  operas when you were kids? Oh? God, yes, mom did when
• 1:31:40
  she was nursing. And there's a there's a soap opera theme song that I
• 1:31:44
  can't hear to this day without getting sleepy. Oh my god. I had
• 1:31:53
  like fond memories of being home from school with my mom and you know,
• 1:31:59
  being sick or whatever, and she'd sit me down in front of the TV
• 1:32:01
  and she'd be watching General Hospital all my children. Yeah, and I can't
• 1:32:09
  remember what the third one was, but then that would be right before like
• 1:32:15
  Wheel of Fortune, and then Jeopardy used to come on and that was that
• 1:32:20
  was the day Oh my god, game shows. Oh my gosh. Yeah,
• 1:32:27
  The Price is Right m was an ad. Yes, it was the
• 1:32:34
  shows. It was an ad and they watched it for entertainment. It was
• 1:32:43
  like a thirty minute long commercial or an hour long commercial. That watched it
• 1:32:47
  for entertainment. But there's a movie about the jaredital had sponsored jaredital Is like
• 1:32:57
  Centrum Silver back in the day. I don't know if it still exists or
• 1:33:00
  not, but it was the old people vitamins. But they advertised on a
• 1:33:08
  game show I want to say, like it was called twenty Questions or the
• 1:33:14
  sixty four thousand dollars Question or some such thing. There is a movie about
• 1:33:18
  the scandal of the longtime winner of the show being given the answers. And
• 1:33:27
  that's that was that really happened. I don't know how realized the portrayal was.
• 1:33:32
  You're talking about for Wheel of Fortune, right, No, right,
• 1:33:40
  Price is Right? Well, we talked about I mentioned the Price of Right,
• 1:33:44
  The Price is Right as being an ad, but the whole game show
• 1:33:48
  twenty Questions or the sixty it was twenty one, The Assassin of the Gray.
• 1:33:53
  So a game show called twenty one had Jaritol as its main sponsors,
• 1:33:59
  So they would do the game show and they would mention Jaraital, there would
• 1:34:02
  be Jeraital commercials and so on, and I think the Will of Fortune did
• 1:34:08
  the same thing with sponsors. There were a few other game shows where in
• 1:34:13
  between things happening on the game show, they would mention their sponsor, and
• 1:34:16
  then you would see an ad for their sponsor, and you didn't see commercials
• 1:34:20
  for like six different businesses necessarily, and that would have been clearback I think
• 1:34:27
  when my parents were kids, because my grandparents were all into some certain game
• 1:34:30
  shows too. They were big on Jeopardy. They liked that one because that's
• 1:34:38
  the kind of thing that their age group would have sat around doing, like
• 1:34:42
  playing trivial pursuit, you know. But that scandal really rocked all of the
• 1:34:49
  different game shows because it suddenly became understood that this is done in a studio,
• 1:34:59
  and it's very possible that what we're seeing isn't like there's things happening that
• 1:35:05
  we're not seeing, that the thing that we are seeing isn't real. This
• 1:35:11
  guy isn't winning because he's smarter than everybody else. He's winning because they're feeding
• 1:35:15
  him the answers, you know. So it really, it really kind of
• 1:35:20
  hit them hard. But then they didn't figure out that if they can do
• 1:35:24
  that with game shows, they can do it with news media, they can
• 1:35:29
  do it with anything. Yeah, you know, that took until Generation X,
• 1:35:33
  and we didn't figure it out until we were in our thirties. It's
• 1:35:41
  pretty sad. So, for instance, a lot of my friends and compatriots,
• 1:35:46
  my classmates went in for a desert storm and then re enlisted when they
• 1:35:54
  were middle aged for what positions they could fill when desert shields came about.
• 1:36:01
  So crazy, but yeah, totally, it's all about how media influences women.
• 1:36:12
  And then he goes on men are more likely to be in their thirties
• 1:36:15
  and forties. Well, women are more likely to be in the age whene
• 1:36:17
  twenty to thirty, and women virtually disappear at older ages, like in their
• 1:36:23
  fifties and sixties. He obviously never watched the Golden Girls. Older male characters
• 1:36:31
  on TV and film, but not older female characters have more power. Again,
• 1:36:40
  I don't know where he's getting that, what TV shows he's watching?
• 1:36:43
  Yeah, And you know the other thing is is like who is he how
• 1:36:53
  is he getting this information? I mean not from gun smoke it's I don't
• 1:37:06
  know. Yeah, and again it's like just because again, just because this
• 1:37:15
  may seem to be true. Men are shown to be more likely is in
• 1:37:18
  their thirties and blah blah blah, what what does that mean? And this
• 1:37:26
  is the other thing that he doesn't talk about is who's actually consuming this content.
• 1:37:31
  Yeah, you know, it is more women than men that sit in
• 1:37:35
  front of the television and watch this bullshit. Men are men are typically out
• 1:37:43
  at work working. When they come home, they either watch the news or
• 1:37:46
  the game or something else. They don't they don't watch this bullshit. They
• 1:37:50
  don't entertain themselves this way. They might have this right and you know in
• 1:37:59
  the vent that they do have to sit through it. It's something that the
• 1:38:02
  woman chose, honey, come on. Yeah, and given this division between
• 1:38:15
  uh, the old media and the new media, namely the broadcast media and
• 1:38:23
  the internet media, people who have the whole day ahead of them, the
• 1:38:29
  whole the whole day, not having to do labor, we'll just sit there
• 1:38:32
  with the television' it's this. I'm sure. I'm sorry some psychologists can fill
• 1:38:40
  me in on this. But when you have all the options in the world,
• 1:38:45
  you will you will just cycle through them and not really take anything in.
• 1:38:49
  But when you have to spend half of the day working and then you
• 1:38:55
  get the other half of the day to sleep and and and and take in
• 1:39:01
  the best possible media you can possibly take, you you won't listen to the
• 1:39:08
  television. You'll be like, I know what I want. I'm going to
• 1:39:12
  look for that thing, and I'm going to go to the Internet for that
• 1:39:14
  thing. This is something that is so difficult for boomers to understand because when
• 1:39:21
  when when you talk about where you get your information, they'll they'll they'll go,
• 1:39:26
  well, well, you can't possibly get any accurate information from the Internet.
• 1:39:33
  And if you at all challenge them on that, you know, you're
• 1:39:36
  like, well, that's an odd thing to say, because the Internet is
• 1:39:39
  just the telephone, but with pictures. It's literally just the telephone, but
• 1:39:44
  with pictures. It's like saying, well, you can't get get any accurate
• 1:39:47
  information from the telephone. I mean, surely it depends on who you're talking
• 1:39:53
  to, doesn't it. And then you go, so, if you can't
• 1:39:56
  get accurate information from the Internet, then where do we get accurate information?
• 1:40:01
  Pray tell? And the answer is the revealed preference of the boomer you're talking
• 1:40:09
  to is the television. The television and the radio and the newspapers. That's
• 1:40:15
  where we get accurate information. Not a peer to peer communication medium, but
• 1:40:24
  a broadcast medium. You don't get to talk to the people talking to you,
• 1:40:29
  They just get to talk to you. And these are this and this
• 1:40:32
  is not just a communication medium, it's a broadcast medium. It's it can
• 1:40:36
  all be regulated by the likes of ofcom, which is regulated by the government.
• 1:40:44
  And I'm only saying that in in the UK English. I'm sure there's
• 1:40:49
  a there's an equivalent in any given country. Anywhere there's the government tells some
• 1:40:57
  NGO what to do, and that g tells the people. I don't know,
• 1:41:01
  NGO means non government organization, and that's an ironic thing to say.
• 1:41:08
  Oh yeah, I see a lot of non government organizations, aren't. You
• 1:41:13
  know, they've got their connections. But something else I will point out here,
• 1:41:17
  like you look at the first thing. In the third thing here,
• 1:41:19
  seventy three percent of characters in top grossing films or major characters in top grossing
• 1:41:29
  films are male, and men are more shown to be more likely in their
• 1:41:33
  thirties and forties, while women in their twenties and thirties. So we'll start
• 1:41:36
  with we'll start with the fact that male characters are more disposable. So you
• 1:41:45
  have major male characters. If they're going to kill off a major character,
• 1:41:47
  it's usually a male, right and and TV shows in movies, I mean
• 1:41:55
  that's not new either. You know, you go back to how many how
• 1:41:59
  many female all red Shirts were there in Star Trek in the original Star Trek?
• 1:42:04
  How many? How many female red Shirts? But you also have the
• 1:42:09
  issue of men. A man's age. As his age advances to a degree,
• 1:42:18
  he gets taken more seriously. So if he's still in his twenties,
• 1:42:24
  he's not going to be taken as seriously as a man in his thirties or
• 1:42:28
  forties or fifties. And it's not until he hits the age where he's really
• 1:42:32
  over the hill, you know, an age where a man might start retiring
• 1:42:36
  or going into sinility or things like that, then he's taken less seriously.
• 1:42:45
  But most of the time it's you know, he's wiser and more experienced and
• 1:42:51
  so on, because his values involve doing things for other people, whereas women
• 1:43:00
  men's values are the same all the way through. It's doing things for themselves
• 1:43:03
  and their looks are more important. They're how people react to them is more
• 1:43:12
  important. And so you get the youthful age being important in a woman and
• 1:43:19
  until experience and dedication to your community become important in female characters. You know,
• 1:43:30
  to the degree that women are not taken seriously as much in their twenties
• 1:43:35
  as they are in their thirties and forties. Outside of coming of age stories,
• 1:43:41
  you're going to see more older men portrayed versus younger women, right,
• 1:43:47
  And as you get to the older women, they're portrayed more as you know,
• 1:43:53
  either the angry old battle axe or the cute little granny that everybody wants
• 1:43:57
  to love and protect, because women don't make fun of themselves, whereas you
• 1:44:00
  take old men. You know, the thing about Golden Girls that made it
• 1:44:05
  so popular was those women making fun of themselves. It was like grumpy old
• 1:44:10
  Men the TV show, but with women, right, or grumpy old men,
• 1:44:15
  you know, which was sort of a and I guess unwritten the sequel
• 1:44:21
  to the Odd Couple could be said Golden Girls but with men, right,
• 1:44:30
  And that's you can do that most of the time with men, and plenty
• 1:44:35
  of men will be like, yeah, I'll play that role. I want
• 1:44:38
  to do that. That's funny, But over the last century fewer and fewer
• 1:44:44
  women have been willing to do that. It used to be common, Now
• 1:44:46
  it's rare. So if you want to bitch about old women not being in
• 1:44:51
  media, look at women. And if you want to bitch about there being
• 1:44:58
  more male characters, look at male disposability. He also this is gonna be
• 1:45:05
  the last thing for tonight. He also says as a media group or media
• 1:45:11
  report documents, women comprise only twenty eight percent of characters and family films,
• 1:45:16
  thirty nine percent of characters on primetime TV, and thirty one percent of those
• 1:45:20
  in children's programs. So what those three things all have in common, because
• 1:45:25
  a lot of primetime characters are characters in families, is that there are men,
• 1:45:32
  there are women, and there are children. So is he talking women
• 1:45:36
  and girls or is he just talking women versus men versus children of both sexes
• 1:45:43
  as a group. Right, is it women and children versus fathers? Or
• 1:45:50
  well, that's the thing. If it's just especially characters in family films,
• 1:45:57
  right, film being about family, most of the characters in the film would
• 1:46:00
  be children. How many characters and family films are men. Maybe a father
• 1:46:09
  is portrayed, you know, or maybe a camp counselor or a school teacher
• 1:46:14
  is portrayed as nail. But that's them dominating. They're dominating the scene,
• 1:46:19
  and they're dominating the media content. Got to get those fathers out of there,
• 1:46:27
  apparently. And in children's programs, those programs are usually again almost all
• 1:46:35
  the characters are kids. Especially if you look at Nickelodeon and Disney, the
• 1:46:42
  overwhelming majority of those characters are kids. Right, And again, what is
• 1:46:48
  his what is he looking at? What is he measuring this? Buy?
• 1:46:57
  I want to know what the examples are so I can look get it and
• 1:47:00
  say, oh, okay, I will maybe you have a point there.
• 1:47:04
  I mean, it really is a it's a non statement, and you know
• 1:47:09
  this is a non sequitor. So so women don't dominate these programs, So
• 1:47:14
  right, what does that mean? How is that a negative impact on society?
• 1:47:19
  Or are you just trying to say that to say, oh my god,
• 1:47:24
  it's not true that that. What is he saying that that that men
• 1:47:33
  men control the media? Yeah, you know it's media is male dominant.
• 1:47:42
  I I kind of I kind of feel like I would feel about this.
• 1:47:48
  The the these arguments. I kind of feel the same way that I would
• 1:47:53
  feel if I was sitting on a bus driving somewhere, you know, or
• 1:47:57
  riding somewhere on a bus and uh, one of the one of the passengers
• 1:48:02
  on the bus shot a guy in the leg or something, you know,
• 1:48:06
  and he's just shocked as shit that he's been shot, right, And he
• 1:48:10
  looks at the passenger. He's like, you shot me? And in comes
• 1:48:15
  Michael Flood. Well, there's a man driving this bus, and Hannah's the
• 1:48:18
  only woman here. Yes, but this guy's been shot. Well, that's
• 1:48:26
  not what we're talking about. We're talking about Well, no, that's not
• 1:48:29
  what you're talking about, dude. We're talking about portrayals of male disposability,
• 1:48:35
  portrayals of what it takes for a man to be taken seriously versus a woman.
• 1:48:39
  Portrayals about uh, you know how how the differences in portrayals demonstrate society's
• 1:48:45
  attitudes toward people. What you can and can make can't make jokes about?
• 1:48:53
  Right, you can sit there and make fun of that guy. Of course
• 1:48:56
  you would get shot. You would shoot this guy in the leg, and
• 1:48:58
  you would miss every major art. What the hell is wrong with you?
• 1:49:01
  I mean, can't you see how a man getting shot by another man is
• 1:49:05
  somehow oppressive towards women and also hilarious at the same time. Yep, And
• 1:49:12
  he better quit whining because there's only one woman on this bus. How can
• 1:49:15
  you not notice I can't even have another conversation conversation with another woman on that
• 1:49:20
  bus and have it not be about men, because there's no one woman to
• 1:49:25
  talk to, you know, obviously, Like that's this, This comes across
• 1:49:30
  exactly that way. I'm sorry you're bleeding, but there's a man driving this
• 1:49:35
  bus. It's his fault. You're not a victim of the gun shot.
• 1:49:41
  A man shot you, like, come on, So we did get a
• 1:49:48
  super chat here. XERANX gave us five dollars and said that's why The Last
• 1:49:55
  Man was a doomed showed regardless of what they were doing on Netflix, thankfully
• 1:50:00
  they shit the bed early on sparing everyone's time. I'm not familiar with that
• 1:50:05
  show. So The Last Man Standing no one I know that one, but
• 1:50:12
  I don't think that was on Netflix. That's on actual television. I've seen
• 1:50:15
  ads for it. That's a new Tim Allen show. I've watched a couple
• 1:50:19
  of episodes because there is cable at work, and sometimes I need something to
• 1:50:27
  help me tell what time it is without having to go looking for the clock,
• 1:50:30
  and I can hear what changes. And then since Tucker Carlson is not
• 1:50:35
  on Fox News anymore, I don't really want to watch Fox News anymore.
• 1:50:41
  And it's messed up now because I can't tell what time it is by who's
• 1:50:44
  on. But the for a while there was a station playing Last Man Standing
• 1:50:51
  at a particular time of the morning, and I knew if that that came
• 1:50:56
  on that I only had so much time before I start fixing a breakfast,
• 1:51:00
  you know. But yeah, that that. I don't think that's the show
• 1:51:05
  that he's talking about, but apparently it shipped the bed. At some point,
• 1:51:11
  Xeranks gave us a five dollars super chow and said, hello, the
• 1:51:15
  dogs are feasting. This was clear back at the beginning, in lieu of
• 1:51:18
  foul necromancy and making it not so. Jezebel is no more. Rejoice.
• 1:51:26
  Oh my gosh, that's hilarious. It took a while. It took long
• 1:51:30
  enough. You bitches are dead. Well, it's not, you know.
• 1:51:34
  Yeah. The reason that this is something to celebrate is not because they're not
• 1:51:40
  getting their say, Like they could keep publishing all they want, but it's
• 1:51:43
  not profitable because obviously women are fed up with their shit, right, advertisers
• 1:51:47
  are fed up with their ship. If nobody's reading it or not enough people
• 1:51:51
  are reading it, and not enough people are advertising on it because of that,
• 1:51:57
  that's a good thing, because they're writing with shit. But I've noticed
• 1:52:02
  that's happening. Like we used to for after shows, we used to pick
• 1:52:06
  from things like feministing and feminist dot com and a few other websites that were
• 1:52:13
  they would have these dumb ass feminist articles about, you know, the emotional
• 1:52:19
  labor of being the one who takes care of all the Christmas cards. Yeah,
• 1:52:25
  every year. That was where I remember that art. Yea, And
• 1:52:30
  I'm like, I have never sent out a Christmas card with I don't know,
• 1:52:36
  no, you know, that's that's just not the way we do things.
• 1:52:42
  I think gen X kind of killed that whole tradition for the part.
• 1:52:45
  I don't get Christmas cards from my friends. I get a few from boomers
• 1:52:51
  in my family. I get them from for my veterinarian Yeah, I get
• 1:52:57
  them from politicians that knew my parents. But and I get I get one
• 1:53:03
  from work every year, and it's always real nice because it's a it's an
• 1:53:08
  organization for which Christmas is important. But I mean, like we'd we'd do
• 1:53:13
  a whole show on that, right on the article and the whininess, and
• 1:53:15
  we'd laugh about it, or articles about how I cheated on my husband and
• 1:53:20
  it made me a better wife. No, no it didn't. It makes
• 1:53:26
  you a fucking disloyal bitch, shut the fuck out right, and we would
• 1:53:30
  do and we'd laugh at those, you know, or we do like outrage
• 1:53:32
  fuel and stuff. A lot of them are gone. I'm having to search
• 1:53:36
  high and low to find feminist content to make fun of because it's disappearing from
• 1:53:43
  the web because people don't want to read it, you know, people don't
• 1:53:47
  want to watch it. So and and in fact, I was so desperate
• 1:53:53
  the last week I looked at something. I'm like, this has to be
• 1:53:56
  this could be real, or it could be a poe. Turns out it
• 1:53:58
  was a po It was. The site was a parody, but it was
• 1:54:01
  using real Cosmo articles as It's like it was reacting to real Cosmo articles,
• 1:54:10
  but the reactions were supposed to be a parody of feminist writing, except it
• 1:54:15
  was exactly the same thing feminists really say. It's very hard to parody them.
• 1:54:20
  So yeah, I'm not surprised Jezebel vanished. And I'm glad that that
• 1:54:29
  kind of content is becoming unpopular enough that nobody cares about it anymore, nobody
• 1:54:33
  wants to read it anymore. But it does I kind of make my job
• 1:54:38
  a little harder. Yeah, I mean, look, I think it's it's
• 1:54:41
  just being repackaged and it's gonna you know, there's gonna be another source,
• 1:54:47
  right, we just haven't really. I mean, I'm gonna have to start
• 1:54:51
  trolling the feminist subreddits for it, you know, Like, I'm just gonna
• 1:54:57
  have to. There's a type of cleaning that you can do in a body
• 1:55:03
  of water where you scrape the shit out of the bottom of it, called
• 1:55:08
  dredging. That's what I'm gonna have to do. I'm gonna have to dredge
• 1:55:12
  the feminist websites or feminist subreddits for links to bullshit. Now, yeah,
• 1:55:19
  pity me, I'm a victim a feminist bullshit. I mean, it just
• 1:55:28
  seems to be coming out of the woodworks these days, even even from people
• 1:55:31
  who you know, we maybe thought was on our side of things. And
• 1:55:38
  I'm speaking directly to Sidney Watson, because now all of a sudden, it's
• 1:55:45
  just the the script has flipped with this one, you know, and now
• 1:55:51
  it's all all the red pill content is garbage, and it's just as divisive
• 1:55:57
  as the feminist movement, and it's just another it's just another no account,
• 1:56:05
  no research is done, just basic bitch level of understanding of the topics that
• 1:56:15
  would make someone say that we're just like feminists. And it makes me sad,
• 1:56:20
  honestly that that one in particular makes me sad. I will I will
• 1:56:25
  say that, and it's it's not something that I say lightly. I had
• 1:56:29
  hope because she was doing real world stuff. And then so being a woman
• 1:56:40
  in the men's rights movement means understanding the difference between a generalization and an absolute
• 1:56:49
  statement that targets you exactly. So guys say, yeah, when guys say
• 1:56:57
  women are not as loyal as men, women are not as strong as men,
• 1:57:00
  women don't have the endurance of men. When women don't tolerate dangerous or
• 1:57:06
  dirty conditions as well as men, we don't have to shout hashtag not all
• 1:57:12
  women. They know that because we're here, right and and Karen said it
• 1:57:20
  really well in an argument that actually was kind of the way that she and
• 1:57:27
  Allison and I got together way back, And we covered this a few years
• 1:57:33
  ago in a series of posts series of shows about how Honey Badger Radio got
• 1:57:41
  started. But what happened was there's there's a Men's Right subreddit, and then
• 1:57:47
  there's a Lady MRA's subreddit. Right. I think the girlfriend of one of
• 1:57:56
  the mods of the MRA subreddits started Lady MRAs. I don't know. I
• 1:58:01
  was never really I never really got involved in that. It was too busy
• 1:58:05
  in the Men's Right subreddit discussing the issues and knocking down feminist counter arguments.
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  You mean you didn't need a special lady, I didn't need a women's room
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  in the men's rights community, right. And in fact, most people didn't
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  know I was female. My my reddit username, like I had started out
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  with a feminine reddit user name, and I got shadow band really quickly,
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  and it was for talking about the seven years in health case and it just
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  like boom. They treated it as me trying to dock somebody, even though
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  I wasn't giving anybody's information, right. So I made a new account and
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  used a version of the same name, and because it was a version of
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  the same name, got shadow band again, made a third account, used
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  a completely different name. Second I talked about that case Boom shadow Band again,
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  So I ended up in there under Then for a while I was going
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  to try to do you know, like I've talked about having weird nightmares and
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  stuff. So I started writing scary stories based on these weird nightmares, and
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  I was going to do a whole you know, blogging thing, and so
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  I took the nickname on Narrowscript. And then when I started talking more in
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  men's rights, I thought, you know, I'm going to use this account
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  for it. I'm not going to do the scary stories thing. There is
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  nothing scarier than what's happening to the relationship between the sexes in our world right
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  now. That is going to be the death of humanity. Yes, we
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  are in the grip of a nightmare. So I kept on Narrowscript as that
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  and that that's been the username that I've used ever since on Reddit. Well,
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  it's not feminine, it's not masculine. It's just a name, right,
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  So when I would argue and I didn't hashtag not all women this and
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  but girls also have it, bad here. You know, men have have
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  it bad, but women have it worse, you know. Blah blah blah.
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  When I started, like, I didn't use the phrase being female is
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  life on easy mode. But I've always felt that way about it, and
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  I've talked that way about it. Like there's a lot of things that I
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  know I've been sheltered from and was aware of it growing up because I'm female.
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  Things I didn't have to confront because I'm female. There are things my
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  younger brother felt obligated to protect me from, even though I'm two years older
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  than him, because I'm female, even when we were kids, even when
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  we were elementary school age. He broke a guy's nose a high schooler's nose,
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  in defense of me one Halloween night when he was nine years old and
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  I was eleven, because he's a boy and I'm a girl. Because I
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  was his sister. You know, I heard the voice voice of God come
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  out of my brother that night too. That's my sister Pam. To be
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  fair, the guy dragged me down the sidewalk by my bag of Halloween candy,
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  so I Adam was pretty mad. He was not a happy camper.
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  But and you know, I've done the same thing to girls because they've picked
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  on my brother too, so it's not exactly a one way street there,
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  but none of them were that much bigger and older than me. Like that
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  was you know, we're we're talking an actual freshman in high school and he
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  was let's see, I was in the fifth grade. He was a third
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  grader. My brother was a third grader when he did that. But yeah,
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  it was basically going back to you know, the whole uh I completely
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  less track. That just took me like, I'm like in the moment,
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  now see in my brother's face. But but going back to to all of
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  that, the difference and expectations and all of that. I talked about that
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  on reddit, and so people assumed I was male. Right, So when
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  we get into this argument in the female subreddit, what had happened was there
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  was a guy named Factory on Factory two, I think in the Men's Ride
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  subreddit that participated here and there in the Lady MRA's subreddit, and they asked
• 2:03:00
  him a question and he answered it, and he answered it honestly, and
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  he didn't answer it in a way that catered to women's sense of self importance,
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  and they hit him with my favorite question to hate. Do you respect
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  women like I have gone on massive, massive tirades about that stupid question.
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  Why do you expect that from a guy? What have you done to earn
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  his respect? Right? And he was brutally honest in response to that,
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  and they banned him, and then they came to the Men's Right subreddit and
• 2:03:45
  they asked us to judge him by their standards, and so we ended up
• 2:03:54
  in a slap fight between the Men's Right subreddit and Lady mra subreddit. And
• 2:03:58
  this would have been like twenty twelve or twenty five. And one of the
• 2:04:04
  most sensible statements made in that whole slap fight was Karen pointing out that when
• 2:04:14
  she sees generalizations about women, she doesn't read them as a woman. She
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  reads them as a person who experiences other women's behavior. She doesn't identify as
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  women, She doesn't identify as women or part of women. And it was
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  a great statement. And I think there's a dividing line among women in the
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  men's rights movement between women who can do that and women who don't or can't,
• 2:04:48
  And so women who can do that can take even the most caustic statement
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  from from the men who have been through hell with women who have been at
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  the bottom of the you know, the social ladder. When I say the
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  bottom of the social ladder, I don't mean the bottom wrung. I mean
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  the two levels below that, right, Men who have been run through the
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  family courts, which is a lot like being keel hauled, but with law
• 2:05:21
  and policy instead of barnacles and water. Those guys sometimes can say things that
• 2:05:34
  if you take them personally, would be really offensive. But you know they're
• 2:05:41
  not talking about you, especially if they're talking to you and they're retweeting or
• 2:05:46
  reposting or clicking like or saying yes, that's exactly what I was trying to
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  say in response to things that you've said on social media. And then they
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  say all women are disloyal. They mean all normal women, right, all
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  women who are your everyday woman that they'd run into. They know there are
• 2:06:11
  exceptions, and I think sometimes it's a way for them to find out which
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  women in the men's rights movement they can trust. And I don't I don't
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  fault them for that, because when a woman kneed jerks to that right,
• 2:06:25
  that's evidence against the trustworthiness. And that's why it makes me sad in that
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  case, because when you get a woman who will actually go out and organize
• 2:06:38
  a protest or an event, and she's going to single out somebody in the
• 2:06:45
  movement and say, well, accept that guy because he pissed me off,
• 2:06:48
  Like you can't benefit men doing that. You have to be able to recognize
• 2:06:56
  that there are some people who have been through so much, or who have
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  witness so much, or who have been so disillusioned because of the stark difference
• 2:07:03
  between what they were brought up to believe and what they found out is true,
• 2:07:09
  that they're going to say caustic things, and you have to be able
• 2:07:13
  to recognize they don't mean you unless you tell them otherwise, and then they
• 2:07:20
  might. But yeah, but in any case, that's my thoughts on that.
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  I just it makes me sad because it's we need as much collaboration as
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  we can get among a broad spectrum of people, including women, who have
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  to be able to recognize that abusing somebody is just as bad when it's a
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  man as it is when it's a woman. That cutting off healthy flesh is
• 2:07:55
  just as bad when it's done to a baby boy as when it's done to
• 2:07:58
  a little girl. That if you are going to put somebody in jail or
• 2:08:05
  subject them to other penalties. In a criminal case, you should have the
• 2:08:11
  facts to prove that they actually committed the crime. And it shouldn't be different
• 2:08:15
  based on whether they're male or female. The punishment shouldn't change because of whether
• 2:08:20
  they're male or female, and the perception of rehabilitation shouldn't change depending on whether
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  they're male or female. All of that, that's what we have to be
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  focused on. You should be able to step over the statement that might be
• 2:08:39
  offensive if you lead with your ego and keep right on walking in your protest.
• 2:08:46
  Yep, that's there. That's part of That's a casualty of the way
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  society treats men. That's a casualty in the relationship between men and women.
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  And I'm fighting to make that not happen as much, you know. And
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  and so I'm not going to fight men who say those things because it's not
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  worth it. It's not important. They're not mad at me, they're not
• 2:09:16
  wrong, they're injured. It's like getting offended because somebody has a broken leg.
• 2:09:24
  How dare you have a broken leg in my presence? I only like
• 2:09:26
  whole, perfectly shaped legs. Get that out of my sight. I won't
• 2:09:31
  fight for you. Like, doesn't it make a lot less sense when you
• 2:09:35
  put it that way? I mean, am I wrong? So I So
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  if you're a woman in the movement or you're hate listening to us and you
• 2:09:48
  think I'm wrong, explain in the comments. That's that's my admonition. So
• 2:09:56
  we also got a rumble rant, paid rumble rant. Uh. I'm gonna
• 2:10:03
  pronounce this darrum mouse or Darren Moose. It's got an E at the end,
• 2:10:07
  so I know. And now I got that stuck in my head.
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  Premium rumble user uh and supporter, so we have a there. There's little
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  uh icons for this, so there's a guess, a lightning bolt, and
• 2:10:33
  a whale there. Gave us ten dollars and said, knowing this won't be
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  a huge drop, but I like supporting you guys where I can keep making
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  amazing content. Honestly, every penny is great. It's it's everything that people
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  give us. We're grateful for every last little bit of it. I remember
• 2:10:52
  thinking the same thing when all I could afford at the time, that there
• 2:10:56
  was an organization that was actually going into Afghanistan and getting people out. When
• 2:11:01
  America abandoned Afghanistan instead of just ending what we were doing there, and I
• 2:11:09
  could only afford to send them twenty bucks at that time. That was literally
• 2:11:13
  all I had extra, you know, that I hadn't already spent on bills.
• 2:11:18
  And I felt bad because I'm like, that's people's lives. They're getting
• 2:11:22
  people out of there that are going to die if they stay, and I
• 2:11:26
  only have twenty bucks to send. But then I thought about it, and
• 2:11:28
  I'm like, well, if I didn't send that twenty bucks because I felt
• 2:11:31
  that way about it, and everybody else that sent twenty bucks didn't send it
• 2:11:33
  because they felt that way about it, they would lose hundreds and thousands.
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  And it's the same thing with us. You know. It's a lot of
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  people share with us in small amounts and it makes all the difference in the
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  world, and we're very grateful. So and that's pretty much all I really
• 2:11:56
  have to say about that. Thanks again, and thanks to my two co
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  hosts for digging through this sludge with me. Thanks to everybody who listened to
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  this toxic mess that we're dealt delving into and we'll listen to this more in
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  the future. And thanks to everybody who works in the background and make HBr
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  talk happen, and good night all