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Radio Ranch with Roger Sayles 062626 LIVE, - Brent Winters on J.D. Hall, Tucker Carlson, and the Trouble With Dispensationalism · Global Voice Radio Network's tracks

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  Thank you so much for joining us, and welcome to the program.
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  Unknown: Doggies.
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  Boy, do you know it? We would love to do that. We we may have done a little of that already. You never know because that's hard to gauge,
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  quantify,
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  if you will, but we're gonna keep trying.
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  We're gonna do it again here,
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  on this Friday with
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  this may be an unusual Friday. We've got our eyes peeled on the horizon for mister Brent Winterson. He has not as of yet appeared.
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  And, we have not, to my knowledge, heard from him. I I know he did his
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  I know he did his thing with sheriff Dar this week because I got the notification on Thursday and then the,
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  the Wednesday, and then the,
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  event they taped came there,
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  so he's been working.
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  And but to my knowledge, nobody's heard from him. We hope, well, I know everything's alright or else he wouldn't have been doing that, but,
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  we'll see what happens a little bit at a time. Hopefully, he'll Brent show up.
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  And this is the June
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  26,
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  right towards the end of the month, one day after
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  our
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  the guy that is the benefactor for all this knowledge,
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  John Benson's 90 birthday would have been. Try and celebrate that and commemorate that.
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  Radio ranch, Roger sales, half the half of the, duos here,
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  and, it may be that that's who we have today. Don't know. We'll see. This is new territory,
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  Paul.
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  But, if you would please, first of all, give us, you've got something to say here, I think.
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  Unknown: Yeah. Real quickly. Our website is thematrixstocks.com,
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  and,
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  there you will find links to free conference calls so you can
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  dial in and join the conversation
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  live.
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  Unknown: There you go. How was I'm very curious. How was the English show yesterday?
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  Unknown: Oh, the English show was
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  a technical challenge.
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  Paul's Internet connection,
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  and on Paul's Internet connection,
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  like, it was it was really strong for part of the first hour and then forty minutes in,
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  he dropped off completely
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  and
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  there was nothing but dead air because
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  the only person in the studio was Eric
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  and he didn't apparently didn't feel like talking to himself.
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  I hadn't been brought into the studio yet, so I couldn't,
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  you know, do the wingman thing.
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  And
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  oh,
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  Paul's connection throughout the show wound up getting dropped 20 or 30 times.
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  Oh,
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  Unknown: that's a measure. Well,
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  Unknown: when he dropped out after
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  the third hour guest, oh my god, Monica Schaefer.
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  The third hour guest came in, then she and Eric were able to carry the show and I had been brought into the studio by that time. So
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  Yeah. And so he
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  he kept dropping out and popping in, dropping out and popping in. Mhmm. So I I sent him a copy of my local recording of the program, which at least is solid
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  because his recordings were broken into 25 pieces, and he just wasn't going to assemble them all.
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  So I said, dude, here,
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  Unknown: take my recording. You can you can play with it, and then you can upload it as a podcast. So that's what he planned on doing. That's when you kinda scratch everything. I'd have walked away anyway. I'm sure Paul's got such a better disposition in in comes to approaching those sorts of things than myself
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  notoriously
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  in certain circles.
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  Anyway Well, if I had Sorry that happens. You know? I was curious as to if he,
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  if you got to expose them to any of the wonderful,
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  wonderful things we've seen in the last couple of days.
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  Unknown: The I had sent it to him.
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  And I asked him about it, and he said that he had heard it before,
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  but he didn't go through the link that I sent him, so he didn't do that on the show yesterday.
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  Unknown: I see. That's
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  the German guy. Right? Or not not the person. Not the oh, okay.
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  And then, of course, Tucker Carlson. Now he just Tucker
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  is a hardworking dude, man. I mean, he's pumping these these hour and forty five, two hour interviews out, several of them a week.
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  I know it can't be easy to do. He likes to do them evidently in person because many of these people are are in the same room.
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  And, boy, he's pumping them out. The new one, I've seen this guy before. I think I saw him over on Infowars.
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  Evidently, he used to live in DC. He's a writer. He's got a lot of expertise. Anyway, it's good.
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  But what we spent the majority of the show on yesterday was the one the the second one. If you go to your wherever you get your tuckers,
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  and,
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  it's the second one up, I think, would be,
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  this fellow on the origins of Christian Zionism.
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  We talked about it ad nauseam almost the whole show yesterday,
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  But it's as in-depth a dig on that some of that stuff as I've ever experienced
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  in all my years of asking questions about it and wondering and not having answers.
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  And I hope it did the same for you. We encourage everybody to watch that one.
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  The latest one, which I just finished right before the show is pretty good too. I like that guy. He's got a kind of a chuckily sense of humor, but he's got a lot of deep connections in DC. And
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  and, of course, we we're seeing
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  we're seeing does it look like I see a a job? By golly,
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  would it be that someone appeared here with us today?
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  Mister Brennan, is that you, sir? Is that you, sir?
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  Unknown: Yeah. I'm here. I'm interrupting the conversation.
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  Unknown: No? Yeah. No. We're waiting for you to join it. Oh, hey.
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  Yeah.
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  Unknown: Well, Paul Paul has sent me a clip to listen to.
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  Thanks, Paul. He's sending that. Did you? I listened to it twice because I'd listened to it before. See, old JD
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  JD Hall and I have been through a scrape or two together,
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  a legal scrape.
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  And,
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  he we weren't adversarial.
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  I mean, we were on
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  the way same side, and I'm glad you sent that, Paul. But
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  no. JD, you know, he checked out for a while.
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  Unknown: I I'm still this is first time I've heard the guy's name. I mean, I guess Tucker introduced him at first, but it went right past me. His name wasn't in credit in the what the episode was. Can you tell us a little bit about him since you have a relationship there, Brent?
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  Unknown: Oh,
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  well, yeah. That'd be fun. Fun to talk about other people.
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  Yeah.
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  I can say nice things, of course.
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  JD is from
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  the wilds of Missouri someplace. He grew up there.
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  He grew up Baptist.
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  I may I take pleasure
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  in saying I'm not a Baptist and don't wanna be.
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  If you are, well, that's okay.
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  But,
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  Baptists have been a very
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  powerful influence in our country. It's part of America.
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  Baptism or baptism? No. Baptist.
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  But JD grew up, and you can imagine, Missouri culture.
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  You know, Missouri is one of those places where
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  the Baptists
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  not too many years ago. Maybe it's still that way.
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  The Baptists control everything. I mean, they even control the bench of the state Supreme Court there for a while.
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  It's a powerful force. And, of course, Missouri
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  Missouri
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  was a hotbed of radicalism
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  and and violence during that awful war we keep talking about.
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  It was such a
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  powerful change in America. That war were not it was all bad.
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  Anyway, he grew up in that world, and he's,
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  then he ended up pastoring a church
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  in the wilds of Montana. Now
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  Montana,
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  some parts of it are
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  more desolate than others. But if you go to the
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  Eastern Montana where it borders North Dakota, that's getting about
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  as far from nowhere as you can get in in America. And
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  he he, pastored a Baptist church there
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  until very recently, by the way. And he was constantly running back and forth, if you can imagine. It's a long drive.
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  Running back and forth to
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  state capital at Helena.
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  He was an activist,
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  a a political
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  activist,
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  to no small degree, and he
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  had a
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  website called Pulpit and Pen,
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  or they say around here, Pulpit
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  pulpit and pen.
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  And he was a powerful
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  writer. He calls himself a polemist,
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  and he deals in polemics.
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  You know, in the Christian world, you got your evangelist,
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  and you got your apologist,
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  and then you got your polemist.
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  And he figured, well, nobody else is
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  occupying that
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  position. I'll be the polemist.
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  Well, that goes right along with being a Baptist because
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  Baptist air their
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  differences in public more than most other groups.
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  They wanna fight right in front of the world. I mean, we're talking
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  intervarsity here within the denominations.
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  You know? They and then they like to fight within Christianity,
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  the the different.
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  You know, one fellow told me well, I first ran into him because he
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  did a debate with a fellow by the name of,
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  Joel McDermott.
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  And Joel was a young firebrand.
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  He's a lawyer now down in
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  down in Atlanta,
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  does criminal defense. But he from my neck of the woods, and his father was sheriff of a small county down there and
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  in,
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  along the Ohio River in Indiana. Not Jasper County. I don't believe it was. Oh, well.
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  Well, his sister,
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  Joel's sister,
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  was
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  the main chef at that big hotel down there that
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  that organized crime belt back in the nineteen thirties
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  down in, French Lick. You know, French Lick's where
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  Larry Bird is from. Right.
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  Yeah. French Lick. Well
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  Unknown: Oh. Oh.
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  Unknown: Joel's from down there.
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  Well
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  Unknown: I got a fun I got a funny story on Bird. I'm not gonna interrupt you right now. Just please remind me later because I know you'll appreciate it. Go ahead. Well, Larry, you know, back in our part of the world, he became the state bird.
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  Unknown: I didn't really know what the state bird is of Indiana anymore after Larry came on the scene. And
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  and
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  Unknown: Well You know, Larry Larry what's that, Roger? Well, I'm just gonna go ahead and tell you because I might forget. It's funny. I was watching I've been watching the braves a lot, and one of the braves announcers,
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  and it was a pitcher formally, and his father's name is Larry Bird.
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  And he was in played in in Boston when he was going to Boston.
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  At some big game, he'd call up the restaurants and say, I need a table for Larry Bird. Larry Bird, of course. Of course.
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  Then he shows up and shows him my ID, and the guy goes, you got me. Here's your table.
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  I thought of you, and I thought that was so funny.
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  Unknown: Well, Larry,
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  we could talk about this later. You know what? Larry was
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  of Celtic extraction,
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  but not Irish.
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  He didn't know anything about Boston, didn't fit in there. Culture was had nothing to do with Boston culture is
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  Irish, you know, that's why they call them the Celts, but
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  old Southie, you know, the South Side Of Boston, the Irish took over.
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  Don't know if it's that way now. I've only been to Boston once and in my I don't wanna go back, by the way. It's one of I remember some stories about it. Let me tell you something on the World Cup, the Scottish World Cup. Art Barnes talking about this.
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  Unknown: They played up in Boston.
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  The fans drank Samuel Adams brewery
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  dry.
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  Unknown: I
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  believe it. I believe it. You know, the old, had a couple of guys, well, his name is Clark,
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  and, we had that big tank farm there for Marathon Oil Company, had a big tank farm there, was largest in the world one time.
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  And,
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  he was Irish, of course, and,
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  but he stayed drunk all the time and everybody knew it. The guy had a lot of money, he worked there. You know, you got those jobs at the tank farm, that was a good job. You didn't have to work very hard. They paid you real well, those
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  kind of jobs.
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  He was the one that asked me one time, I knew his boy and we were friends,
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  and I
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  was over at the house and
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  he said, you know why God invented whiskey?
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  I said, no, mister Clark. Why?
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  He said,
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  to keep the Irish from taking over the world.
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  That was their
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  well, you know, they used to say in Butte, Montana. I went through there one time. Big hubbub going on in town. I couldn't get a room anywhere.
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  Not that big a town. You know? It's not tiny, but it's not big.
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  And, I asked the gal at the desk at the hotel. I said, what's the
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  what's the, all the hubbub around here about? He said, oh, we're having a mayoral election here. And, boy, that's the biggest event in town.
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  I said, well, I didn't know anything about their
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  political culture. And I said, well, who's gonna win? Well,
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  she said, we got a problem. We told this one fellow running,
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  said you gotta in order to be mayor in Butte, Montana, you gotta be CIA.
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  I
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  said, CIA?
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  She said, yeah. You gotta be Catholic, Irish, and alcoholic.
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  Of course, they had all those Irishmen there.
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  They they were the ones working that big that big copper mine. You know, that thing is huge.
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  Anaconda?
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  Well, it's near Anaconda,
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  but it I I think they did own it at one time, Roger. Now that I think about it, I think that was Anaconda.
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  Yeah. Of course, the smelter that everybody knows about was
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  way outside of town miles away. You can see it from the main road. You've seen it maybe sticking up, that big stack sticking up out the road. Something like that. Not that one exactly, but I know what you're talking about. Can get my kind of mind's eye of it. Yeah. It's right near the town of Anaconda.
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  Unknown: But coming back to oh, we got off on Larry's phone. I wanted to find out more about this guy that did the interview. He had more information on some of these subjects
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  that I've wondered about for many decades.
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  I never had the answer for until this interview. I was very impressed with him, and now to find out that you had some sort of interactions with him, I I wanna hear the rest of as Paul Harvey would say, the rest of the story.
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  Unknown: Well, he was always getting in trouble in Montana because of his political. He's a polemicist,
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  and he calls himself a polemicist.
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  And, know, you as I've said, you got your
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  Christian evangelist.
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  That's a man that deliver the gospel.
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  Euangelion,
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  and the words in the New Testament,
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  lots. Euangelion,
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  and that's the word translated
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  gospel.
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  If a Christian says, well, I'm not one of those evangelicals.
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  I've had people tell me that all my life because I guess they don't like them. I say, well, then you're not a Christian. That's truth.
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  You ain't evangelical.
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  You ain't Christian. That just means that the gospel is the center. It's the good news. It's not the bad news. It's good news. Euangelium.
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  Angelus.
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  Angelus is
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  the word in the noun form. We we don't translate it. We just call it angel. It means message or news
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  and messenger.
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  And and
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  e u, the prefix epsilon, upsilon,
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  means
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  well or good.
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  And the
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  gospel gospel is the theme of the whole bible cover to cover, lid to lid. And this is what JD was saying to
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  to Tucker about the gospel. You know, Tucker grew up Episcopalian,
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  apparently. Yes.
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  Which is,
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  American Anglicanism
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  is what it is, just a different name. Same thing.
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  Well, the Puritans are Anglicans.
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  The the the
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  pilgrims that came to America were Anglicans.
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  Never said they weren't Anglicans. Matter of fact, that's what they were.
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  And they controlled parliament in England during the
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  war with the crown back in the sixteen forties.
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  And the Puritans
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  were the were the
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  what we call well, since the the first centuries of Christianity, they were the evangelicals.
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  So what they called themselves, they understood that. They
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  they were the the new middle class,
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  and they
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  understood who they were and the and the Scotch Irish Presbyterians
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  as well. They were evangelicals
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  and that they still are.
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  Now the Puritans are gone. They they got, they got got to promoting.
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  Well, let me get back to JD. So JD is a grew up Baptist in Missouri, and he
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  became a preacher. He went off to school and
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  learned how to be a preacher, I guess.
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  And then he was causing trouble there. Of course, he would down everybody. I mean, his polemicist polemicist
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  activities.
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  Polemic, that's a word in in Greek that means war.
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  War.
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  Polemic.
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  Uh-huh. That means you're always fighting. You're one of the guys you're born in the object objective
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  case. You Uh-huh. You're a contrarian.
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  You're fighting with everybody. Well, that was JD, and no kidding, boy. Well, I know some of those.
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  Oh, he could find yeah. JD could find something wrong with everybody. I mean, I I was on his show one time, a nice show, and he was usually right, I have to say.
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  But
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  he was talking to me, and he I said something that he didn't disagree with just right. And he said, look, Brent, before you spoil this program,
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  let's change the subject. I said, why?
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  And he said, well, I don't wanna talk about it now, but you just said something I don't agree with.
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  He was cocked and loaded for bear to jump on the first thing that disagreed with him. Well, that has its place. And,
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  that was what he carved out for himself. And he did a lot of complaining about other people. And then he got crosswise with some
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  see, they had that tribe up there, let's see, in Montana that that had the crows
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  Crow Indian tribe Crow Agency. Yeah. The crows and the Blackfeet.
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  And, another one or two well, they in the state house up there,
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  they had a couple of sodomites
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  that were black feet Indians.
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  Hell, that's what it was. See, the sodomites are trying to go to the the indigenous tribes and find,
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  see if they can find sex perverse. If they can find that in, then they promote them.
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  Unknown: I don't know. See there see there see there the basis of America right here. Show it to you. Yeah.
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  Unknown: That's kinda what it was. Well
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  Unknown: and and Thomas Jefferson, they used to used to bet as the slave there. Remember that? We can't prove that either, but we'll bring it out just for for the moment because it'll catch people's minds.
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  Unknown: Oh, yeah. And it it does. And,
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  well, he
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  that's not a slam on them. And I've known plenty of
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  tribal
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  members,
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  but that's what people call them out there now. They don't call them Indians anymore. They call them tribal
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  tribal members. Oklahoma
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  too, I think. Oh, yeah. And, of course, Indian is the word we've used all our lives. We grew up with it. But it does mean people from India. That's how that's how they it came into the
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  into being used for the tribal people. Because when Columbus got to the New World, he thought he had arrived at India.
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  That's where he was trying to get. Yep. Open up a trade route, and he saw all these
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  people who are darker skinned than him a little bit and started calling them Indians, and it stuck. And we've been calling them Indians ever since.
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  Well, he got crosswise with them, and then he got crosswise all the stuff that happened to him. You know, if you're a contrarian like that, pretty soon the devil's got your number. I mean this sincerely. I'm not just spinning off Christian
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  ease when I say the devil got your number. No. The devil had his number, and and he'll orchestrate things to destroy you. You can't control it. You you better you better be better
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  be careful.
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  And, he was coming back.
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  You know what I ought to do? I ought to get him on here. Maybe we can maybe I can bring him on God, I wish would you please?
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  Unknown: Would you please? That
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  Unknown: that I could do maybe.
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  But I'll find out. See, here's the problem
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  about me getting getting him on the show.
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  After that happened, and this is all over the Internet. I'm not talking about something that's not public record. Uh-huh. He was having
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  well, he's got some challenges in his family.
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  Got a he got a nice wife.
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  He got nice children, decent, nice children. But there had been some problems with
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  that had nothing to do with the law or people doing something unlawful,
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  it just had problems
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  that had to do with,
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  well, frankly, one of his
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  and I I can say this too. I had two daughters. I guess this is something that isn't
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  there's nothing shameful about it. I had have two daughters out of my brood that
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  born hearing impaired,
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  and we didn't know it for a long time. Then you my dad, my father noticed that one of them didn't notice a noise that was being made.
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  Then he got to sneaking around her and whispering behind her back and see if she'd hear him, you know, and found out that they did. Well, he had a child like that too.
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  But,
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  you know, if you have that kind of thing,
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  it's
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  nice to
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  be able to
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  have someone to help train them how to talk
• 25:15
  more clearly, because
• 25:16
  they can't hear,
• 25:18
  and so they they can be dutchy in their speech sometimes.
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  Unknown: Yes.
• 25:22
  Unknown: Now,
• 25:27
  that that's a whole another story. But,
• 25:30
  oh, here's what happened, JD.
• 25:33
  So he somehow
• 25:34
  got on a
• 25:36
  he was having some kind of a problem. I don't know what it was, and you can go to the Internet and read about it.
• 25:42
  But it was some kind of prescription drug. And then he
• 25:45
  got stopped along the road and
• 25:48
  cop said he was drunk.
• 25:50
  Well, he didn't drink,
• 25:52
  but he
• 25:54
  was off kilter because of the medication.
• 25:57
  And it got worse from there, but that
• 26:01
  caused a terrible problem.
• 26:03
  And he went violently, he went into seclusion,
• 26:07
  and I couldn't get in touch with him. And I, back at that time, I said, hey, JD,
• 26:14
  I'm gonna let you know I'm thinking about you.
• 26:16
  But he just checked out for a while till he could whatever it was, the physical imbalance he had, he was trying to get it under control. Moved
• 26:24
  back to Missouri and
• 26:26
  and, he was doing like me, raising goats, although I've given up. I did that for a long time. We used to milk goats.
• 26:32
  Dog gone, those critters. I love them, but they're just on top of you all the time. And I mean, on top of you. They're up on your porch, on your car, on your truck.
• 26:42
  All they think, if they've gotta get up higher, you know, on Yeah. Top high ground. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A mountain animal. Then if there's anything a little higher, they're on top of it. Well,
• 26:52
  I mean, I've seen goats jump on top of,
• 26:56
  well, other animals and stay there, and the other animals get used to it. They just stand there, you know. They're bigger. They can stand on them. They're fun to watch and be around. And as they say, they're cute as a dickens and a bug's ear, as they say.
• 27:09
  Well, JD, though, I'm seldom I can think of a couple of men I've known in my life
• 27:17
  that have the mental capacity
• 27:20
  to remember everything about other people.
• 27:24
  And some
• 27:26
  men, as a polemicist,
• 27:29
  that means you criticize other people for where they're wrong.
• 27:32
  He he does it professionally.
• 27:35
  And he has the uncanny ability to remember everything
• 27:39
  wrong
• 27:40
  about other people. You say, well, that doesn't sound right. Well, it it can get to you after a while. A fellow needs to be careful.
• 27:46
  I remember a new David Noble used to be that way, and David's still alive, but he
• 27:52
  could remember everything wrong. And this is a what it comes to in polemics is false doctrines.
• 27:58
  That's
• 27:58
  that's the thing that a polemicist
• 28:01
  observes
• 28:02
  is false doctrine.
• 28:05
  And he
• 28:06
  he believes it's his idea to correct it. Now
• 28:10
  I believe that is true. I believe there are men that are called to be nothing but pains in the neck. I believe that.
• 28:17
  And, god calls all different kind of people.
• 28:20
  I don't get to thinking you're one of them. That it's a hard row. I wouldn't wanna be a polemicist.
• 28:25
  I can think of enough bad things about other people that I don't have to major on it, and, of course, then to confront other people the way JD does.
• 28:34
  Now I listened to this
• 28:36
  interview with Tucker.
• 28:38
  I looked at him and I said, shucks. I he was talking about things I don't When
• 28:43
  was the last time you spoke with him? Oh, it's been five years. Because he his problem,
• 28:49
  when he just checked out and checked out of everything for a while and moved back to the wilderness of the Ozarks or wherever he was and back home.
• 28:58
  And he started raising goats.
• 29:01
  I couldn't he wouldn't talk to anybody. He was in seclusion
• 29:04
  and people were trying to get in touch with him. He had a lot of acquaintances, you know, because he was a well known public figure.
• 29:11
  And I
• 29:13
  had different avenues to try to text him. He finally then came out with,
• 29:19
  him and his wife, came out with a video
• 29:23
  to everybody
• 29:24
  to tell everybody that he was okay.
• 29:26
  Thanks for your concern. Trying to get in touch with me.
• 29:30
  And they did a video where he explained everything that happened to him. You can find that on the Internet too. And it's it's
• 29:37
  instructive to listen to because
• 29:40
  it's his it's his
• 29:41
  hard times and experience and what happened to him.
• 29:45
  And he
• 29:47
  got got down pretty far. One of the quotes that people were banding around about him was,
• 29:52
  after that happened, he said, I don't being a pastor of a church is the most miserable existence
• 29:58
  any man could ever have. Oh my lord.
• 30:01
  And he wasn't kidding. And I could relate to what he was saying. I've tried it. Just it can get it can get hard.
• 30:08
  Well, in his case, I think what it was with him,
• 30:11
  he was young and he thought he thought he could conquer the world.
• 30:16
  Ah. You know, when you're young, it's like, when I ran for congress, I thought I was gonna conquer the world. I and
• 30:23
  I poured my life into it, my heart and my soul and money.
• 30:27
  And, boy, I went whole all out whole hog. You know? I'm still trying.
• 30:32
  Yeah. Well, but but you're smarter about it, Roger. Oh, yeah.
• 30:36
  I would say when JD when this happened to JD, he was young
• 30:40
  younger, by five or six years, and he hit the wall.
• 30:44
  And trying to take care of other people's business and Mhmm. Take care of other people's other women's husbands because they were drunk or on drugs and trying to help them and are not working and go getting up in the middle of the night and going to people's houses that were having problems. And Yep. That's the kind of thing that preachers do. And it's it's tough.
• 31:04
  Yeah. It's not you and a matter of fact, it's it's undoable in many ways. And you learn as you get older.
• 31:10
  Well, here I'm not I'm not Jesus Christ. What can I do? Here's what I can do. And you do what you can do and you learn what the limits of mortality are. And I I think him being a hard driving man,
• 31:22
  which is a good thing. And when you're young, you do that, but you find out. Every man who's hard driving and is conscientious,
• 31:29
  finds out, wait a minute,
• 31:32
  I'm I'm not working
• 31:33
  smart. I'm working hard. Yeah.
• 31:35
  I'm I'm not working smart.
• 31:38
  And I'll I'll I'll kill myself. You know, Elvis Presley's mother said to him
• 31:43
  at one time, Elvis, a man only has so much energy in one life.
• 31:48
  And once you've used it up, he'll take you. The Lord will take you.
• 31:53
  And, Elvis, you're you're running on high octane too fast. You can't last forever.
• 31:58
  In other words, what a man needs to learn to do, and Paul the Apostle says this in the Bible,
• 32:03
  he says, run so as to win. Don't just run hard.
• 32:08
  Run so as to win.
• 32:10
  And that means it's a long race,
• 32:14
  And you wanna run as fast as you can,
• 32:17
  but you wanna run as fast as you can to have enough energy to keep running. You
• 32:22
  wanna pace yourself.
• 32:24
  My father called it calls it still. He calls it plotting. Men plot.
• 32:29
  My father was always a plotter.
• 32:31
  He got up way before daylight and went to bed way late, but he never stopped.
• 32:37
  And when he told me to fetch me a wrench, he meant run.
• 32:41
  And I as a young fella, I'd run.
• 32:43
  But he didn't run when he got older. I'd watch him jump off the tractor before it stopped moving and put one hand on the gas tank, the other on the on the fender when he came in the field, that old w d 45 when we were planting. He'd throw out the hand clutch and then he'd
• 33:00
  vault.
• 33:01
  Dad would vault
• 33:03
  off the tractor. He was going a 100 mile an hour when he was young. I remember.
• 33:08
  But he learned to pace himself and plot when he got older. And you can get more done when you're older, I've learned,
• 33:15
  than you did when you were younger because you're moving,
• 33:19
  but you're moving smarter.
• 33:21
  And you know what's important and what movements to make, and you're not wasting time nor energy. And that's called?
• 33:27
  Claudine's
• 33:28
  oh, wisdom. Wisdom. Yeah.
• 33:31
  Wisdom. That's right, Roger.
• 33:33
  And, well, back to JD. Well, JD,
• 33:36
  ambitious man. He hit the wall in him. He took your little wife,
• 33:40
  cute little button that she is, and took her back to Missouri.
• 33:44
  And I couldn't get in touch with him. And I saw this video he put up
• 33:49
  and explaining to his friends, him and his wife both talking, explaining their experience.
• 33:55
  It was traumatic.
• 33:56
  And, if you can find it on the Internet, find it and listen to it. When I saw him on
• 34:02
  Tucker popped up and I saw him
• 34:04
  and I watched him a while and I said, Manish, that guy looks familiar.
• 34:09
  Who who who has their eyes
• 34:12
  set like that?
• 34:13
  And some somebody I knew had eyes like that that looked like that, that stared like that. Well, who was it?
• 34:20
  Finally,
• 34:21
  I looked down at the caption and said, J. D. Hall. I said, oh. Well, here's what had happened to him. When he got down and out, he physically went out.
• 34:30
  And he he lost so much weight. He'd had to stood up twice,
• 34:35
  just to make a shadow. You know? He was he was gone
• 34:38
  physically,
• 34:39
  emotionally,
• 34:41
  spiritually.
• 34:42
  And I didn't recognize him. He looks
• 34:45
  pale and healthy now.
• 34:47
  And I was glad to see that. And he did,
• 34:50
  on that Tucker show,
• 34:52
  a better job of talking, and he'd always done a good job.
• 34:57
  He did a better job of talking
• 34:59
  and laying it out clear
• 35:01
  than I've ever heard him lay out the gospel itself.
• 35:05
  He did a great job. And, so I commend it. I'm glad Paul sent it to me. I'll listen to it again, Paul.
• 35:11
  Unknown: Have you watched the whole interview, or did you just see the clip? So you saw the whole interview. Oh, no. I I listened to the whole thing. Yeah. I'm about to listen to it again. I I Yeah. Rick mentioned it the other days. We were closing out the show. Those snippets were floating.
• 35:25
  I had seen it posted,
• 35:27
  but I hadn't had time to watch it. And so immediately after the show, I went over there and got half of it under my belt. But I wanted to tell you because it kinda involves you,
• 35:37
  in the way that we take,
• 35:39
  you know, your presence because we missed you last week.
• 35:43
  And, and we missed that because we missed what you bring to the table here on all this in-depth
• 35:49
  explanation
• 35:49
  and the words and what they mean and where they came from and all that kind of stuff.
• 35:54
  But there's one I've been wanting to ask you about, and it's funny because last week, I was going to, and we get off in those discussions, and it doesn't seem appropriate to interrupt.
• 36:06
  But he answered something I've had a curiosity about for thirty, forty years and never gotten an answer.
• 36:13
  What is the definition of dispensationalism?
• 36:17
  Unknown: Oh, I'm glad you brought that up. And that is that's something that's been in my wheelhouse deep
• 36:22
  since I got serious about the Bible back in my early twenties.
• 36:26
  And I ended up,
• 36:29
  I wrote my master's thesis on the
• 36:33
  on the subject,
• 36:35
  the
• 36:36
  advisor for my thesis was a well known dispensationalist.
• 36:40
  Oh. And
• 36:41
  I liked him, I still like him. He's still alive. His name is, he's Canadian.
• 36:46
  He but he spent his life down here in America.
• 36:50
  And his name was Paul Enns, e n n s.
• 36:54
  And he was from Dallas Seminary.
• 36:57
  And Dallas is the
• 36:59
  is the intellectual center has been the intellectual center of dispensationalism
• 37:04
  in America.
• 37:06
  And one of my professors when I was in school was in
• 37:10
  the first graduating class at Dallas,
• 37:13
  and he was a Jew named Charles Lee Feinberg. See, that goes together, being a Jew. Yep. And he ended up
• 37:20
  well, he was with professor
• 37:23
  William Foxwell Albright at John Hopkins when
• 37:27
  the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered. And John or William Foxwell Albright was the
• 37:33
  head of the doctoral program of
• 37:36
  biblical archaeology at John Hopkins.
• 37:39
  And, Charles Lee Feinberg
• 37:42
  was,
• 37:43
  his protege.
• 37:45
  And Hopkins,
• 37:46
  was the one that finally authenticated
• 37:48
  the
• 37:49
  Dead Sea Scrolls for being authentic Essene documents.
• 37:54
  The Essenes were
• 37:57
  a powerful culture in the first century. The Essenes, the New Testament
• 38:01
  gospel records never mentioned the Essenes,
• 38:04
  but Jesus Christ said a lot of things that were directed directly at them
• 38:09
  because he referenced
• 38:11
  their doctrine, there were the Sadducees
• 38:14
  and the Pharisees. Those two, the gospel records mention a lot.
• 38:19
  Jesus Christ went head to head with them. But then there were the Essenes, and they were a sect of Judaism as well.
• 38:26
  And Jesus Christ,
• 38:28
  references them.
• 38:29
  When he's a Jesus Christ was a polemicist,
• 38:33
  you see. That's why he was correcting
• 38:36
  he was correcting Jew the false doctrines of Judaism. That's all the gospel records are.
• 38:42
  And then he he made a point of taunting them until he until they murdered him. That was his job. He he had to get himself murdered.
• 38:50
  And by the way, during that presentation that JD, he makes the point that, well, people have been arguing for a long time about who
• 38:58
  who killed Jesus Christ.
• 39:00
  Well, the answer to that question, he didn't get to this, but I'll give the answer. It's a biblical answer. The Bible says who killed Jesus Christ.
• 39:09
  God the father
• 39:10
  is the one that slew Jesus Christ.
• 39:13
  And God the father says so in the prophet Isaiah.
• 39:17
  He is the one that put him to grief, says Isaiah.
• 39:21
  He is the one that struck him.
• 39:23
  And God is not on anybody's side.
• 39:26
  He doesn't come but take sides. As we've we've said, he come to take over.
• 39:31
  And,
• 39:32
  the the evil apostates,
• 39:34
  the Judaists, the Jew the Jew the Judaites, I call them,
• 39:40
  they were they were they were the pawns in what God wanted to do.
• 39:46
  The John three sixteen says,
• 39:49
  for God so loved the world that he gave there's the verb. He gave
• 39:54
  his uniquely
• 39:55
  begotten son.
• 39:57
  We don't have a good English word to translate that word.
• 40:02
  That word,
• 40:04
  monogenes,
• 40:06
  only. That's that's that's not even close, really. It's uniquely.
• 40:11
  We don't have a we have,
• 40:13
  onlyness,
• 40:14
  one
• 40:15
  of a kind. We have a phrase for it. See,
• 40:18
  we're born from above too. We are sons of God, but we're not born like him by through the womb of a a virgin by the power of God the spirit. That's uniquely begotten.
• 40:30
  He's a god man.
• 40:32
  And
• 40:33
  but God the father is the one that gave up his uniquely begotten son
• 40:40
  freely and then made sure that he was killed.
• 40:43
  And that's why Jesus Christ prayed in the night before he was murdered.
• 40:48
  He knew what he was doing, and he said,
• 40:51
  if you could take this cup from me, that's what I'd want you to do, but not my will, but thine be done. And remember, this is the sovereignty of God,
• 41:01
  and this is what JD is too. But coming back to dispensationalism,
• 41:06
  big fancy word, Darby, an Irishman.
• 41:11
  All of us are selfish and have been to varying degrees, but Darby took the cake.
• 41:16
  Not only was he well, he was filled with himself.
• 41:20
  Handsome son of a gun. That doesn't help sometimes. You know, there's some people in the world that are too good looking for their own good.
• 41:28
  He was like that, and he thought that he was God's gift to a lot of things.
• 41:33
  And he got the screwy idea. He's the founder of the Plymouth Brethren.
• 41:37
  The Plymouth Brethren. You see, the Plymouth Brethren, they don't they come in and take over. They're the dispensationalists.
• 41:44
  They they took they took over, for example, Moody Bible Institute at one time, and I don't know how strong their influence is there now.
• 41:52
  Moody didn't know nothing about dispensationalism.
• 41:55
  I read a dissertation one time about dispensational
• 41:58
  but the question of the of the guy that wrote his doctorate of diss dissertation was, was Dwight
• 42:04
  D. L. Moody a dispensationalist?
• 42:07
  Well, nobody knows because he never said. And
• 42:11
  so he went through all of his scraps of paper. D. L. Moody
• 42:14
  hardly knew how to read and write. You know, he was one of those kind of guys. He didn't I think he went to the third grade or something like that.
• 42:21
  But he was a great evangelist, not a polemicist. You can listen to his sermons, they are something else. You talk about the ability to communicate.
• 42:32
  We don't have we have one audio,
• 42:35
  One audio of his voice was
• 42:38
  put on an Edison graph on a on a spool back about 1910
• 42:42
  or just before he died. Uh-huh.
• 42:45
  He didn't have a a voice that was commanding.
• 42:48
  It was he that didn't make any difference. If somebody said that D. L. Moody was gonna
• 42:53
  speak at McCormick Place in Chicago,
• 42:57
  if it got out in the newspapers, when he got there, there'd be eight to 10,000 people there to hear it. How do how do you explain something like that? And
• 43:06
  it was that way everywhere D. L. Moody went. Australia,
• 43:09
  he went to England, same thing.
• 43:11
  He was a contemporary of Charles Spurgeon, and Spurgeon, same way. Every Sunday when Spurgeon preached in London at the Tabernacle, he called it the Tabernacle, there'd be at least 8,000 people there to hear him, and he didn't he didn't have a microphone. Right. You know, if you've got 8,000
• 43:27
  men and women in a building,
• 43:29
  they're sitting pretty close to each other, scrunched up,
• 43:33
  that observe
• 43:34
  that many people absorbs
• 43:37
  the sound.
• 43:39
  And if it's almost
• 43:41
  beyond superhuman that anybody could stand in a building packed with that many people and be heard because of the absorption of the sound.
• 43:51
  They had, of course, the architects back then, they had
• 43:54
  it wired how to make a building work like that.
• 43:57
  McCormick Place was like that.
• 44:00
  But,
• 44:02
  Darby,
• 44:03
  it always comes down to two things with dispensationalism.
• 44:08
  The law of God doesn't matter anymore,
• 44:12
  and the Jews
• 44:14
  are God's chosen people to rule the world.
• 44:17
  That's fundamentally what it is. Period. Mhmm. And
• 44:22
  Dallas Seminary
• 44:23
  has taken that idea
• 44:25
  and made it into a a sophisticated
• 44:28
  doctrine.
• 44:30
  Now,
• 44:32
  Dallas Seminary, was talking about Charles Lee Feinberg, this Jewish fellow, he grew up in Philadelphia.
• 44:38
  And
• 44:39
  of course, he was a dispensationalist.
• 44:41
  And here's the odd thing,
• 44:43
  I just report facts on this. Like
• 44:46
  to report facts on what the Bible says too. Really, I like to report facts. I just if I think it's a fact and I believe it's a fact and I know it's a fact, well, then I'll probably start reporting it. And this is on good evidence about Charles Lee Feinberg, because I sat and listened to him in a little classroom for a long, long time. He was a
• 45:05
  hardcore dispensationalist.
• 45:07
  Of course, that would go along with the idea that, well, I'm Jewish, so I'm special, see?
• 45:11
  And he wasn't a nice fella. He was he was just downright mean, you know, intellectually.
• 45:17
  Unknown: And I I I like that. I like that many of them are,
• 45:21
  but when I say the majority. Yeah.
• 45:24
  Unknown: He was my archaeology
• 45:26
  professor when I was in school. He he knew his stuff.
• 45:30
  He knew Hebrew, learned it when he was a kid, and studied to be a rabbi.
• 45:34
  Mhmm. And,
• 45:35
  though I might it's not that I know everything about dispensationalism,
• 45:39
  but I was exposed to men that
• 45:42
  that were well versed and hardcore
• 45:45
  into it. Well, Charles Lee Feinberg was the first man to receive a a PhD from Dallas Seminary,
• 45:52
  that first the first man at age twenty
• 45:55
  twenty three.
• 45:57
  He was one of those proteges, he thought, you know. Well, he
• 46:01
  went to teaching at Dallas and then he ended up at Biola later on.
• 46:06
  And
• 46:10
  he taught
• 46:11
  the dispensations.
• 46:13
  You know, if something is dispensed,
• 46:16
  it's a dispensation.
• 46:18
  And that's why they call it dispensationalism.
• 46:20
  Darby in England
• 46:22
  started Charles Burgeon said to Darby, was an absolutely
• 46:26
  dangerous man. Stay away from him. And there was no man in England or in all of all of the English speaking world back
• 46:33
  at the end of the eighteenth century 18
• 46:36
  into the nineteen hundreds, him and D L Moody were friends.
• 46:40
  They were beloved. When Charles Spurgeon preached,
• 46:43
  his sermons were immediately
• 46:45
  telegraphed around the world and within print within an hour or two in a lot of places and disseminated his sermons. Yikes.
• 46:53
  He was Charles Spurgeon
• 46:56
  was the last of the Puritans.
• 46:59
  The last of the Puritans.
• 47:02
  And
• 47:03
  that means that he was
• 47:06
  he lived on war grade
• 47:08
  Calvinism.
• 47:11
  War grade.
• 47:13
  What does that mean? That means, as I've said before, try to find different ways to communicate this.
• 47:18
  God doesn't take sides. What's that? I don't like the label Calvinism because I don't particularly like Calvin.
• 47:25
  Really, Martin Luther is the one that discovered the doctrine,
• 47:28
  the sovereignty of God,
• 47:30
  the election of God,
• 47:32
  the choice of God.
• 47:34
  Who are God's people?
• 47:37
  Does God choose one and not another?
• 47:41
  And the Bible says in clear, crystal clear terms,
• 47:45
  yes.
• 47:46
  You know, for example, we're talking about
• 47:50
  Tucker Carlson raised Episcopalian.
• 47:53
  Well, the the Anglicans and the Episcopalians,
• 47:56
  they their doctrinal statement is called the 39 articles.
• 48:01
  The 39 articles about as Calvinistic as you can get.
• 48:05
  What I mean to say is the official doctrine of the Anglican church, which is the
• 48:11
  church
• 48:13
  of the state
• 48:15
  of England.
• 48:16
  State church,
• 48:19
  and
• 48:20
  it's Calvinistic to the core. That's why the Puritans were Calvinistic. That's why the 39 articles
• 48:26
  say God chooses his people. His people don't choose him.
• 48:29
  He picks out from among others
• 48:32
  his people.
• 48:33
  Why does the why did the 39 articles say that? Because that's what the Bible says. And when the Bible was discovered and it came to the forefront, what happened, of course,
• 48:44
  the Constantinople had become the
• 48:47
  center of the Roman Empire under the Emperor Constantine.
• 48:51
  And
• 48:53
  when Constantinople
• 48:55
  became the last vestige of the Roman Empire
• 48:58
  in 1453,
• 49:00
  surrounded by 180,000
• 49:02
  Turks that had a cannon
• 49:04
  had a brass cannon that fired a 1,200 pound projectile rocker. Oh. Can you imagine?
• 49:10
  Designed
• 49:11
  by a turncoat engineer named Urban
• 49:14
  Gietes.
• 49:16
  The Turks didn't have the
• 49:19
  means to design and build something like that, but Urban did it for them. They blasted away at the wall. No, you hit something in the same place enough times, it'll fall apart, it'll disintegrate. Yep.
• 49:30
  And they blasted away. They weren't stupid back then. That's called stress strain
• 49:35
  rupture.
• 49:36
  They fired that cannon at the same place in
• 49:39
  the Wall Of Constantinople
• 49:41
  until it just all of a sudden just exploded into a million pieces.
• 49:45
  And then they charged in and killed But when that happened,
• 49:49
  the priesthood of the Roman church, and remember, the Orthodox church and the Roman church, that's the same bunch.
• 49:56
  Same roots,
• 49:57
  same stupidity.
• 49:59
  It's all the same. But what they did have
• 50:03
  were the
• 50:04
  myriads of manuscripts
• 50:06
  of the New Testament in Greek. Handwritten
• 50:09
  manuscripts going clear back
• 50:11
  one fragment we have goes clearly back about a 100 AD, the first century
• 50:18
  of the eighteenth chapter of John.
• 50:20
  Well, they they hightailed it out of there,
• 50:23
  and they got away.
• 50:25
  With the jewel. Don't forget the jewels too. And the the crown jewels of Rome that went to Moscow, and that's why yeah. The czar. Czar is the is the Russian
• 50:36
  language way of saying czar.
• 50:39
  And
• 50:40
  they said, we are the Roman empire. We got the crown jewels. We'll pick up where they left off.
• 50:45
  And
• 50:46
  so that was the rise of Russia was on the Roman
• 50:50
  the idea that
• 50:52
  they were
• 50:53
  true Christianity and the true the Orthodox Church is true Christianity,
• 50:58
  which is nothing but the Roman Church without any definitive doctrine. No, Rome
• 51:04
  did. Rome did, see, in the West.
• 51:06
  The Roman church
• 51:08
  the Roman church
• 51:10
  not only
• 51:11
  retained
• 51:13
  but even refined
• 51:16
  the preciseness
• 51:18
  of Christian doctrine.
• 51:20
  And they did a good job of it.
• 51:23
  The Orthodox Church
• 51:26
  didn't define it, they
• 51:29
  disintegrated
• 51:29
  it.
• 51:30
  Or Orthodox
• 51:32
  Church, they don't believe anything. They have no standard that even discernible about who God is.
• 51:38
  The West does
• 51:40
  for that reason. And it and a lot of it,
• 51:44
  it coincides
• 51:45
  with the Bible, but that was forgotten
• 51:47
  because Rome became so powerful where Luther got to notice in the Bible, and he noticed the sovereignty of God.
• 51:53
  Dispensationalism
• 51:55
  means that God has dis that's what they believe, that God has dispensed
• 51:59
  different ways of bringing people to eternal safety, salvation,
• 52:04
  through the centuries. And
• 52:06
  they have definite cutoff points of these different dispensations.
• 52:11
  But to put it in a general nutshell,
• 52:14
  out of the classic seven dispensations of dispensationalism,
• 52:19
  and JD mentioned these, out of the
• 52:22
  seven classic dispensations,
• 52:25
  there isn't
• 52:26
  a person in any dispensational church, never has been one,
• 52:30
  out
• 52:31
  of 10,000 that could tell you what they are. But here is what people do get.
• 52:36
  Well, they get this, two dispensations.
• 52:39
  They say, God dealt in the Old Testament,
• 52:42
  salvation was by works,
• 52:45
  keeping the law.
• 52:46
  And when Jesus came, that all changed, and now salvation
• 52:49
  is by grace through faith
• 52:52
  without the works of the law. Mhmm.
• 52:55
  Is that true?
• 52:57
  Well, yeah, that's always been true, but here's what they get wrong. There's no dispensation to it.
• 53:02
  Salvation
• 53:04
  from hell,
• 53:05
  safety from hell,
• 53:06
  eternally,
• 53:07
  has always been, since Genesis chapter one, verse one, by grace through faith.
• 53:13
  Abraham in the twelfth chapter
• 53:15
  of Genesis,
• 53:16
  which they talked about, whoever blesses you is blessed and whoever curses you is cursed,
• 53:22
  chapter 12 verse three.
• 53:25
  Salvation
• 53:26
  to Abraham was by
• 53:28
  faith,
• 53:30
  by grace through faith.
• 53:32
  And that is what
• 53:34
  I wrote my thesis on. I was talking about dispensationalism.
• 53:37
  I had to write it in such a way, though, that I didn't offend
• 53:41
  Paul Inns. He was my adviser.
• 53:44
  I had to write it in such a way it didn't offend him, but make the point that this is silly.
• 53:51
  God said to Abraham, when he finally cut the covenant, they call you know, you've heard about, I'm gonna cut you a check. I'm gonna cut you a deal. Sure. Well, ancient Hebrews talked that way too. And every time they talk about what people talk about the covenant,
• 54:06
  there's the word, the verb for cut, carafe, is in front of it, cut a covenant.
• 54:11
  Because two reasons for that, and in our common law, we have it too. We
• 54:16
  cut a trust indenture
• 54:18
  and we call it
• 54:20
  an indenture.
• 54:22
  But why we call it an indenture? Because it has indentions in it.
• 54:27
  We
• 54:28
  used to, before the printing press in Old England, they'd make a trust
• 54:32
  document.
• 54:33
  By the way, trust documents, we call them a common law, we call them indentures.
• 54:39
  And the reason we call them indentures is because we always we had two copies on the same sheet,
• 54:44
  the same piece of bellum, the same piece of hide.
• 54:47
  One copy on the right, one copy on the left, they're exactly the same. Then they took a pen knife and cut a squiggly line and cut them in two.
• 54:56
  You got your copy and I got my copy.
• 54:59
  And if we ever have a dispute, we bring them together. And if the
• 55:03
  serrated
• 55:04
  indentures on the edge of the documents fit like a puzzle,
• 55:08
  then that's the proof that
• 55:10
  this is what we agreed to. We both signed both of them. We yeah. Call them
• 55:15
  Unknown: That same
• 55:16
  approach was done with money and tally sticks in England.
• 55:19
  Unknown: Yeah. No, that's right. No, it's an indenture. It's called indenture.
• 55:23
  Well, the also though, they cut with Abraham,
• 55:27
  the fifteenth chapter,
• 55:29
  Yahoa, who was Jesus Christ before he entered the stream of Adam's race,
• 55:35
  Yahoa
• 55:36
  cuts a covenant with Abraham.
• 55:39
  And
• 55:40
  in the sixth chapter
• 55:43
  in the sixth chapter,
• 55:46
  the Bible says
• 55:47
  and the Hebrew text says,
• 55:50
  the verse starts like this,
• 55:53
  Now
• 55:58
  if your ear is alert,
• 56:00
  you can hear a word in there
• 56:02
  that has become a very prominent part of our English tongue.
• 56:08
  And that is the word Amen.
• 56:10
  Wahe'emen.
• 56:13
  Wahe'emen.
• 56:14
  And translated,
• 56:16
  and Abraham
• 56:19
  trusted
• 56:22
  God.
• 56:24
  And the rest of the verse says, and God
• 56:27
  logged it down
• 56:28
  to him
• 56:30
  for righteousness.
• 56:33
  That right there
• 56:34
  is the gospel.
• 56:36
  That's what the whole Bible is about.
• 56:40
  That God saves men by His choice without
• 56:43
  the works of the law.
• 56:45
  You don't do anything to get into the kingdom of God. You don't do anything to get the new birth any more than you had to do something
• 56:53
  when you were born of the flesh the first time. That's why the analogy is so good.
• 56:58
  Now who chose your birth in the flesh the first time? Your father.
• 57:03
  He figured out finally how to seduce your mother somehow
• 57:07
  and here you are.
• 57:09
  And that's the way God the odds says, Peter says in the New Testament through God says, pouring his truth through the personality of Peter,
• 57:17
  that the Bible, the word of God is the spederma in
• 57:22
  the Greek tongue, he said. The sperm, the seed.
• 57:25
  And when the seed, when you hear the seed then Martin Luther said this, when the seed,
• 57:30
  when the seed, the word of God hit
• 57:33
  the Virgin Mary's
• 57:35
  eardrums,
• 57:36
  Martin Luther said this, he's right.
• 57:39
  He said that's like, and because Peter says this, when the
• 57:43
  spherima, the sperm of God penetrates
• 57:46
  the ovum called faith,
• 57:49
  what happens
• 57:51
  when those two gametes come together?
• 57:55
  Well,
• 57:56
  you get the new birth, you get the conception. And
• 58:00
  once conception occurs, birth will occur, period.
• 58:04
  Unknown: And in reality,
• 58:05
  there's a spark when that happens
• 58:08
  inside the
• 58:10
  Brent, I'm gonna interrupt
• 58:12
  because we got a new wrinkle here.
• 58:14
  It should be coming up in just a second. We got a little top of the hour thingy
• 58:20
  where we take a little bit of a break and,
• 58:25
  sync everything up in case other
• 58:27
  platforms want to sync in and carry part of our broadcast. Paul, of course, set this all up.
• 58:33
  Mhmm. And so I'm it's pretty new. I think we hadn't even done it the last time you were here. We weren't doing it. And, so anyway, I'm kinda
• 58:43
  dribbling, double dribbling until the music starts here in a second,
• 58:47
  and you got about ten
• 58:49
  Unknown: seconds to say. Than a minute away. Oh,
• 58:52
  Unknown: it is?
• 58:53
  Unknown: Yeah. It's it's more than a minute away. And it happens at fifty nine. And so actually, no Hey, Roger. Hey, Roger.
• 59:01
  Hang on, Larry. Larry, we'll get you after the hard break. This is not something we can stop.
• 59:07
  So
• 59:09
  just just hold on. Hold on there.
• 59:13
  I wanna this is Paul from the Radio Ranch and Global Voice Network. I wanna thank all of the syndications
• 59:20
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• 59:22
  And we give you this to top of the hour, two minute break so you can do your own spots, your own station IDs,
• 59:29
  and everything else. So we'll be back with the Radio Ranch with Roger Sills and Brent Winters in two minutes. Thanks. There's a method to the madness, and hold on, Larry. We'll get to you.
• 59:42
  Unknown: Now there's a couple of seconds I can talk here, then Paul's got something embedded in this, and I'll just
• 59:48
  why don't you shut up and let you listen to this wonderful whistler? See you in a minute. Thank
• 59:56
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• 1:00:58
  Unknown: We have a the classical interlude.
• 1:01:09
  Unknown: The piece of music from instruments that never were and never will be.
• 1:01:15
  I'll explain that after the top of the hour.
• 1:01:37
  Unknown: We're back. Alright.
• 1:01:40
  Unknown: Yes. And let me add
• 1:01:42
  yeah. Just a whole just a second, Paul. I want to say this is to me, it's audio
• 1:01:48
  sherbert, like a scoop of sherbert. Don't know what your favorite flavor is
• 1:01:52
  for your mental palate.
• 1:01:54
  So we will cleanse your mental palate. Just start the second hour. Go ahead, please, Paul.
• 1:02:01
  Unknown: Do you know what that is? That that piece of music is 30 years old.
• 1:02:05
  Unknown: Is it Star
• 1:02:07
  Unknown: Wars?
• 1:02:08
  No. No. It's it's 30 years old.
• 1:02:12
  That is actually a MIDI file,
• 1:02:15
  a music into digital interface
• 1:02:18
  data file,
• 1:02:19
  and that was a computer.
• 1:02:21
  Every single instrument you heard was generated by a computer
• 1:02:26
  and exported to high definition digital audio.
• 1:02:31
  There were no instruments.
• 1:02:33
  There were no players, and that is over 30 years old.
• 1:02:36
  And
• 1:02:37
  the
• 1:02:39
  the computer that actually did that
• 1:02:42
  Yeah. Was running the original
• 1:02:45
  Windows
• 1:02:46
  version three one.
• 1:02:48
  Unknown: Wow.
• 1:02:49
  Yep.
• 1:02:51
  Unknown: Well We have come a long way. The good old days are good and gone, evidently, it would appear. Yes. Okay, Brent. We're gonna get right back into the stream of things here. Our palates are cleansed. And I'm very excited that you, I got Larry in a second. I that you know JD. Is it JD
• 1:03:12
  Hall?
• 1:03:16
  Brent, are you there? H a
• 1:03:19
  Unknown: l l.
• 1:03:20
  Unknown: Hall. Okay. JD Hall. I was very impressed with him. If you can get him on the show, man, please do tell him we would love
• 1:03:28
  to have him on the air to discuss some of these things
• 1:03:31
  and appreciate what he's already let out through Tucker.
• 1:03:36
  Now let's see. Larry,
• 1:03:39
  let me guess. You have a question.
• 1:03:41
  Unknown: I do.
• 1:03:43
  So since,
• 1:03:44
  since, Brent, since you were on the subject of trusts,
• 1:03:49
  and I don't I don't want you to spend a whole lot of time on this answering this question, but if you could just
• 1:03:56
  kinda go over it again.
• 1:03:58
  So
• 1:03:59
  don't you have some stories you can retell
• 1:04:03
  involving the IRS being able to
• 1:04:06
  bust the trust?
• 1:04:09
  And
• 1:04:09
  can trust give people a false sense of security against the IRS or
• 1:04:14
  any federal or state
• 1:04:17
  government agency?
• 1:04:18
  And does it depend upon
• 1:04:21
  how the trust was set up that makes it safe?
• 1:04:24
  Can you go over that again?
• 1:04:27
  Unknown: Well,
• 1:04:28
  people have made a lot of money
• 1:04:31
  and are still you can go to the Internet and find find them,
• 1:04:34
  promoting the idea that a trust will protect you from taxes.
• 1:04:39
  And, that's
• 1:04:42
  false
• 1:04:43
  fundamentally.
• 1:04:45
  That's not what trust are for. And, government, to make it worse,
• 1:04:50
  governments in our English speaking world have been at war with trust beginning with Henry the eighth who pushed legislation
• 1:04:57
  through parliament
• 1:04:59
  to
• 1:05:00
  destroy them all. He thought he had to figure out how to do it.
• 1:05:04
  And,
• 1:05:05
  fortunately for us and and
• 1:05:08
  England's a common law country and the courts
• 1:05:10
  are independent of the king
• 1:05:13
  and they ruled in a way that he didn't expect. And so the trust,
• 1:05:18
  the common law feature was saved,
• 1:05:21
  saved for us
• 1:05:23
  through the courts in England way back there when Henry VIII tried to destroy them. And it all came down to taxes.
• 1:05:30
  A trust have
• 1:05:31
  their uses,
• 1:05:33
  but it's dangerous and the trust
• 1:05:36
  for the federal government, for example
• 1:05:39
  let me back up.
• 1:05:41
  You know, only the federal government
• 1:05:44
  no state government has the authority
• 1:05:47
  under our constitution of The United States. No state government has authority
• 1:05:51
  to impair the obligation of contract, that's constitutional
• 1:05:55
  doctrine.
• 1:05:57
  But the federal courts do have that power, we call it bankruptcy.
• 1:06:01
  Unknown: And
• 1:06:04
  Unknown: Congress, of course, has established bankruptcy courts to do that very thing, impair the obligation of contracts. That's what bankruptcy is,
• 1:06:13
  doing away with them or impairing them.
• 1:06:16
  And so not only the bankruptcy courts, but if you go into a federal court, federal courts do it habitually.
• 1:06:22
  Nobody talks about it and nobody mentions it, but it just happens all the time.
• 1:06:27
  And, the trust is one of the things if you get into a squabble with the
• 1:06:32
  general government, the IRS, for example,
• 1:06:35
  over trust,
• 1:06:37
  they'll
• 1:06:38
  they'll try to ignore it. They'll try to do away with it.
• 1:06:42
  They have all sorts of angles. You can't imagine how
• 1:06:46
  how creative they've become,
• 1:06:49
  but
• 1:06:50
  they don't have authority as a matter of law to do all the things they do. There's more to it than I can tell here. Yeah. The main thing is don't put your trust in trust promoters. That's the main thing. Don't do that. They'll they'll skin you out of your money and you you go to jail. And I'd spent a few years
• 1:07:08
  in that world defending people
• 1:07:11
  defending people that
• 1:07:13
  had
• 1:07:16
  had trusts and were accused of not properly paying taxes. Sometimes it was true,
• 1:07:21
  sometimes it wasn't true.
• 1:07:23
  But in all cases, of course, my purpose was to settle the case and not have it be a criminal matter. Just a well, what is it? A matter of fact, you know, America was at that time when I was doing that, the only country in the world
• 1:07:38
  that would send people to jail for not paying taxes.
• 1:07:43
  If they they can get your money, why send the guy to jail? He'll keep working and he'll keep paying.
• 1:07:48
  It seems to be a sensible thing and a lot of countries do that.
• 1:07:52
  But, of course, getting tax money out of people here is not about the government needs the money. They don't need the money. They print That's
• 1:08:00
  not the problem.
• 1:08:01
  The reason they take tax money
• 1:08:04
  is part of the system
• 1:08:06
  that
• 1:08:09
  the Federal Reserve Bank and the IRS runs, they have to have both of them at the same time or the system won't work. It
• 1:08:16
  gives
• 1:08:17
  Unknown: them the power to equalize
• 1:08:19
  the fluctuating
• 1:08:21
  medium, which is the circulating
• 1:08:23
  Unknown: debt. That's right. Yeah. And they it's just like a pop valve on a boiler. Yep. The you they keep you know, if you keep stoking the fire and the keep making steam and the boiler doesn't have an outlet, the pressure will get greater and greater and greater. Yep.
• 1:08:38
  And Roger and I have talked about this before. I like to use that analogy.
• 1:08:42
  Well, if you can take some of that that's what inflation does. They pump money into the economy and it just blooms up bigger and bigger and bigger. Yeah. At some point, it explodes.
• 1:08:51
  Unknown: Yep.
• 1:08:51
  Okay. That's the best analogy I've ever found to describe
• 1:08:55
  the monetary system to people as a boiler. It's perfect. Go ahead, Brent. A balloon, same thing. So
• 1:09:02
  Unknown: they
• 1:09:03
  the the tax system allows the
• 1:09:07
  the Fed to suck
• 1:09:09
  like it sucks steam out of a boiler before it blows up with a pot Yep.
• 1:09:14
  Tax system,
• 1:09:16
  the IRS sucks
• 1:09:17
  money out of the system using taxes at massive amounts. And that way there, they can control it if it gets out of control because the politicians
• 1:09:26
  will pump it full of money to make them look like the I mean, you believe going back, going back, not too many years ago, telling people, hey, you you can't pay your payroll.
• 1:09:38
  We'll give you a loan,
• 1:09:40
  the federal government. And they give loans for 10,000,
• 1:09:43
  a 100,000.
• 1:09:44
  I know people, I know lawyers that did that.
• 1:09:48
  Oh, just lied about it too, by the way. Yeah. Said they were, and and millions of people over the country, and they just printed money and gave it to them. Then they forgave all the loans later. Yep.
• 1:09:59
  To to get political votes, that's what it's all about. See? The the radio station that I started at?
• 1:10:07
  Unknown: Mhmm. It it got into bankruptcy in the savings and loan debacle with the with one of the Bushes ran Silverado savings and loan. Remember that? Mhmm. Mhmm. Well Yeah. The guy I worked with and a friend of his had bought the radio station right before that. They paid their payments, and that happened.
• 1:10:27
  Sent a guy all the way over from Dallas, sit down, talk to him, pay your pay your monthly payment, etcetera, etcetera. This under
• 1:10:34
  remember, the government consolidated
• 1:10:36
  that all into the resolution trust authority or something. Mhmm. K? And so the guy came over, talked to him, and he said, okay. They paid payment next month, came, paid a payment.
• 1:10:48
  And, so they wrote the guy said, listen. We're not gonna pay any more payments if we don't get a coupon book.
• 1:10:54
  Mhmm. No answer. No book.
• 1:10:56
  Mhmm. They stopped paying. They got free radio stations.
• 1:11:03
  They got a free
• 1:11:05
  radio station
• 1:11:07
  Mhmm. Folks.
• 1:11:09
  Unknown: Mhmm.
• 1:11:11
  The madness of the economic system when you're you don't have any found there's no foundation for the value of our
• 1:11:19
  monetary
• 1:11:20
  unit
• 1:11:21
  units and that and that becomes the subject of manipulation
• 1:11:24
  Unknown: for the profit of thieves. So that's what you got. And if any of you wanna verify that, the call letters were WDLP.
• 1:11:34
  K? Go look at it.
• 1:11:36
  It's been they switched it and traded it to the college out there, Gulf Coast College,
• 1:11:42
  and then they got a FM. And they gave Gulf Coast College this AM low dial position 59,
• 1:11:50
  and a real strong signal, you know, right there on the Gulf Coast. Good skip waves,
• 1:11:55
  all that kind of stuff. So yeah. But that station I started at, sure enough. Oh,
• 1:12:01
  Unknown: I'll be
• 1:12:02
  well,
• 1:12:03
  that's what's going on with that, and I'm glad you asked about
• 1:12:07
  dispensationalism.
• 1:12:09
  Unknown: But, again I'm can I chime in on Larry's thing? Just general rule.
• 1:12:14
  Uh-huh. Tag trusts are not a tax
• 1:12:18
  vehicle.
• 1:12:19
  They're a property
• 1:12:21
  vehicle,
• 1:12:23
  and they just people try and force the square peg in the round hole,
• 1:12:28
  and that's why the re IRS reaction comes back. Alright. Well, we're gonna make the trust a person, and we're gonna treat you just like a person. And and that's where this, like, piercing a corporate veil almost.
• 1:12:39
  And that's where these little chess moves come from and what's been going on. And in the nineties, like Brent was saying, when I first started, there were people traveling all over the country charging you $2,500
• 1:12:51
  for trusts.
• 1:12:52
  They didn't really know what they're doing. There's certain things you're obligated to do if you have been a bit, you know, involved in it, and those things didn't get done. So it's just a mess.
• 1:13:03
  That's why we have given this trust course out and you learn it because then nobody can buffalo you.
• 1:13:12
  Unknown: Well, we hope yeah. You learn. It's you know, it's funny. You're right, Roger. It's important if you're gonna establish a trust, you kinda know what you're doing. Are there advantages? Oh, yeah. Can there be tax advantages? No question. Yeah. There there can be. There's ways you can do that.
• 1:13:27
  But you need to understand a fellow needs to understand at least the fundamentals. But here's the more important point, more important than all that.
• 1:13:35
  Man a man's or a woman's relationship with God himself
• 1:13:40
  is a
• 1:13:43
  beneficiary,
• 1:13:44
  settler relationship.
• 1:13:46
  In other words, God what JD was talking about, the covenant of God. You got two
• 1:13:52
  camps in Christianity. You got dispensationalism
• 1:13:55
  and covenant.
• 1:13:56
  Well, the thing that's bothered me all my life, and I've tried to live
• 1:14:01
  to try
• 1:14:03
  to relieve some of the problem with it, is
• 1:14:07
  throwing words around that nobody knows what they mean, but everybody acts like they know what they mean. Yes. And you're not gonna tell me that people talk about covenant, that they have a clue what they're talking about. Oh, the covenant of God and now they'll all know and they go on. And this is the way most of politics and most of Christianity is. I I used to call them Sunday school words. You know about a half a dozen Sunday school words. You can answer any question the teacher throws at you and it'll sound right, but nobody will have a clue what it means. If I say grace,
• 1:14:36
  who could really define it? Oh, there are path answers out there that they I've heard them all. They don't amount to nothing. How about trust? I mean, really, if it came right down to your eternal destiny
• 1:14:48
  depends upon trust,
• 1:14:50
  a synonym, faith. What is that? Really, what does it mean? You wouldn't find 10
• 1:14:56
  preachers out of a 100
• 1:14:58
  or maybe one that could really break it down and tell you what it means. And all of these words
• 1:15:05
  are how God chooses to get these points across to us. I was talking about the word amen a while ago. That fundamental
• 1:15:11
  verse.
• 1:15:12
  And Abraham
• 1:15:15
  trusted
• 1:15:17
  God and Abraham believed God.
• 1:15:20
  Abraham
• 1:15:21
  had confidence in God
• 1:15:23
  and it and God logged it down to him
• 1:15:26
  for righteousness.
• 1:15:28
  That's a pretty profound statement and it's a statement that
• 1:15:33
  dictates eternal destinies of all men without exception.
• 1:15:37
  Either it's there or it isn't. Well, then you ask yourself whether that Hebrew word there in the verb form, amen.
• 1:15:44
  Amen. What does that mean?
• 1:15:47
  We throw that around. We we slap that on the end of a prayer as though it's a postage stamp and then the prayer won't go anywhere unless we slap it on there.
• 1:15:56
  It's important that we understand what that word means,
• 1:15:59
  the simplicity of it. It's not complicated.
• 1:16:02
  It's not like it's highfalutin.
• 1:16:04
  It's just a earthy word
• 1:16:07
  and you put it in the verb form and you amen things.
• 1:16:10
  You know, we say, I guess we still use it that way. Somebody
• 1:16:14
  will say something and they'll agree with it and they'll say, amen.
• 1:16:17
  I agree.
• 1:16:19
  That's a firm worm.
• 1:16:21
  There's no question about that.
• 1:16:24
  That's what they say in the Marine Corps.
• 1:16:27
  They used to. Used to wear on those.
• 1:16:30
  I have question.
• 1:16:32
  Is this Paul?
• 1:16:35
  Oh.
• 1:16:36
  Unknown: Yeah, it is. And I have a question and it has to do with trust and I don't want to get too far away from what Larry said before
• 1:16:44
  we circle back.
• 1:16:46
  Let
• 1:16:47
  me lay out a hypothetical situation.
• 1:16:50
  Somebody's in a
• 1:16:53
  legal battle
• 1:16:55
  with
• 1:16:56
  a state or a county, a
• 1:16:59
  formidable
• 1:17:00
  adversary,
• 1:17:03
  And what hangs in the balance is
• 1:17:07
  a great deal of not only embarrassment,
• 1:17:10
  but a tremendous
• 1:17:11
  amount of money
• 1:17:13
  that the state or the county
• 1:17:16
  or the formidable adversary
• 1:17:18
  would be obligated
• 1:17:20
  to pay.
• 1:17:21
  Now,
• 1:17:23
  there is one guy,
• 1:17:26
  there's one, you know, it's
• 1:17:29
  one little mouse with
• 1:17:31
  his little finger extended to the eagle that's descending upon him for sure, you know, the last great act of defiance, you've seen that.
• 1:17:40
  So
• 1:17:42
  here's one guy, he's one little guy,
• 1:17:45
  and
• 1:17:46
  he's going up against
• 1:17:48
  despicably evil people
• 1:17:51
  that and
• 1:17:53
  his case could completely turn upside down the entire legal system
• 1:18:00
  of a state in recent
• 1:18:03
  history.
• 1:18:04
  Okay,
• 1:18:05
  we're talking up to a decade.
• 1:18:07
  Alright?
• 1:18:08
  Easily beyond or easily up to the statute of limitations.
• 1:18:13
  Is there a way that one person who is coming up against a behemoth
• 1:18:18
  and doing it solo
• 1:18:20
  could transfer
• 1:18:23
  their legal arguments
• 1:18:25
  and their legal person
• 1:18:28
  into a legal trust
• 1:18:31
  and that trust
• 1:18:33
  would have a list of people that could step in
• 1:18:37
  and
• 1:18:38
  operate that case
• 1:18:40
  in
• 1:18:41
  the
• 1:18:43
  not in the remembrance,
• 1:18:44
  but well, could be in the remembrance because a bullet is a lot cheaper than a check,
• 1:18:50
  but
• 1:18:52
  could that case be transferred to an entity where instead of just one guy going up against the monster,
• 1:19:00
  Goliath,
• 1:19:01
  there would be a constant flow of people that would step in and make sure that that case was played out to its completion.
• 1:19:10
  Unknown: Well, and a trust could do that, but the problem in that situation, the way I understand it is,
• 1:19:18
  the legal waters are turbulent a little bit or you have reason to believe they could be turbulent and you try to transfer property into another
• 1:19:27
  entitle it to somebody else or something else,
• 1:19:30
  then that's called fraudulent transfer.
• 1:19:34
  Fraudulent
• 1:19:34
  conveyance.
• 1:19:35
  Yeah. Fraudulent conveyance. And the courts could set it aside. And every state has a falter
• 1:19:40
  has a a full what they call fraudulent transfer statute.
• 1:19:45
  And, they're pretty much the same. And you can look at them and it figures into taxes.
• 1:19:50
  Now you're talking about a while ago,
• 1:19:52
  well, how do you
• 1:19:55
  does, can a trust be used against taxation?
• 1:19:58
  Well, can in this way.
• 1:20:00
  If you don't own
• 1:20:02
  property, the
• 1:20:04
  government can't take it from you.
• 1:20:06
  It's not it's not possible
• 1:20:09
  Unknown: to take something Well, this guy really this
• 1:20:11
  guy really doesn't have property. What he would be doing is he would be
• 1:20:16
  giving power of attorney over his affairs specifically
• 1:20:21
  with reference to the case to a legal trust that would then take over in his stead. Well, He doesn't have property.
• 1:20:30
  Unknown: Well, that's property. A right
• 1:20:33
  such as power of attorney Yeah, it is property. Is That's a property right. But no, now that you're saying power of attorney, the answer is a lot of times, yes, and I've done that.
• 1:20:43
  I've taken
• 1:20:45
  power of attorney over
• 1:20:47
  things and you know, power of attorney notice the word attorney as in there. That's
• 1:20:53
  a French word from the days of the Norman invasion.
• 1:20:57
  Attorney,
• 1:20:58
  it means agent,
• 1:21:00
  agency.
• 1:21:02
  Somebody delegates
• 1:21:03
  an attorney
• 1:21:05
  at law is somebody
• 1:21:06
  that you delegate authority to, which is property. That's your property, it's your authority. You delegate it to him to handle a certain matter and you put it on a piece of paper what it is. So it's a limited power of attorney
• 1:21:21
  to handle the legal aspect of something.
• 1:21:24
  But a regular power of attorney, it could be general or limited to some particular thing,
• 1:21:30
  same thing. And yeah, you can turn a power of attorney over to people to handle legal matters if that's what you're asking. Now,
• 1:21:38
  I shouldn't say I know it. I've found out, you know, the law is so it changes so much in different states. I just know I've done it before.
• 1:21:46
  I've had people give me a powers of attorney. What does that mean? That means they've delegated authority to me to handle a particular matter.
• 1:21:54
  And if they've delegated it to me, then I got it and they don't. I'm the one that takes care of it. But
• 1:22:01
  I
• 1:22:02
  am under contract. It's a contract. In other words, that means I'm obligated to take care of that property
• 1:22:08
  for the best interest of the principal. That's the fellow that delegated the authority to me. That's what a lawyer does. That's what a and they call them insurance agents. Same thing. That's a power of attorney. A FBI agent, that's a power of attorney.
• 1:22:24
  He has power delegated
• 1:22:26
  to him from the federal government. That's called
• 1:22:28
  a FBI agent. Agency,
• 1:22:31
  attorney, it's pretty much same thing.
• 1:22:34
  And we find them all over,
• 1:22:36
  But
• 1:22:37
  you can do that, you can delegate it, you can turn it over to a bunch of lawyers to handle it if you thought that was gonna go to court.
• 1:22:45
  Yeah, you can do all that stuff and then having the contract. And by the way, an agency like that,
• 1:22:51
  there's
• 1:22:52
  only two kind of
• 1:22:53
  contractual relationships
• 1:22:55
  in our common law tradition.
• 1:22:57
  That's
• 1:22:59
  fiduciary
• 1:23:00
  and arm's length. That's all there is.
• 1:23:04
  And every it's a law. When I say contracts, I mean the law, I call it the law of promises.
• 1:23:10
  What is a contract fundamentally?
• 1:23:12
  A common law, this is the best definition I've ever come up with.
• 1:23:16
  No. Well, for a contract. What's a contract?
• 1:23:20
  A contract, a common law
• 1:23:22
  consists of at least one promise
• 1:23:25
  that the law will enforce,
• 1:23:28
  period. At least one. A trust settlement,
• 1:23:32
  an agency
• 1:23:33
  is a single those relationships
• 1:23:35
  are single promises.
• 1:23:37
  A trust settlement is a single promise.
• 1:23:40
  And when God in the fifteenth chapter of Genesis
• 1:23:43
  cut a trust settlement with Abraham,
• 1:23:47
  it consisted of a single promise and Abraham had nothing to do with it. Matter of fact, to make the point that Abraham had nothing to do with that promise, it was unilateral as we say. It wasn't a quid pro quo.
• 1:24:00
  God knocked him out. He was unconscious during the transaction.
• 1:24:04
  Read it, Genesis chapter 15.
• 1:24:06
  And he performed the blood.
• 1:24:08
  Yeah. Use the word covenant and the word covenant is a Latin word that like me saying in English, well, that's the law of promises. That's pretty broad, real broad.
• 1:24:18
  Well, so is, you know, you got, of course, banal contracts,
• 1:24:22
  agency contracts.
• 1:24:25
  Unknown: Parole contracts.
• 1:24:26
  Unknown: Parole,
• 1:24:28
  all sorts of any agreement between two persons
• 1:24:31
  is the is a promise, an undertaking to put it into English, that the law will enforce.
• 1:24:37
  Well, God did that with Abraham.
• 1:24:39
  And Abraham
• 1:24:41
  by the way, Abraham wasn't a Jew.
• 1:24:43
  Abraham
• 1:24:44
  wasn't even an Israelite. He wasn't even an Israelite.
• 1:24:47
  He was an Assyrian,
• 1:24:49
  190%
• 1:24:51
  Assyrian.
• 1:24:52
  And so when it says,
• 1:24:55
  bless
• 1:24:56
  God will bless them to bless you and curse them to curse you, he's talking about an Assyrian.
• 1:25:01
  Well, how many nations did Abraham
• 1:25:04
  father?
• 1:25:05
  Almost more than you can count. I mean, Israel is just one of many. All the Arab nations, he's the father of all of the Arab nations.
• 1:25:13
  All of the the Semitic
• 1:25:15
  well, Abraham
• 1:25:17
  was a Semite.
• 1:25:18
  Oh, what's a Semite?
• 1:25:20
  That's a descendant of one of the three sons of Noah. Noah was the second father of Adam's race.
• 1:25:27
  He had three sons.
• 1:25:29
  And all of the world came out of those three men who founded three more races
• 1:25:34
  within Adam's race.
• 1:25:36
  And then
• 1:25:37
  within those three races, Shem, Ham and Japheth,
• 1:25:40
  or Japheth, Ham and Shem, or Japheth, Shem and Ham, maybe that's the way to say it. I think that's the order of
• 1:25:48
  age.
• 1:25:50
  The whole world is populated, the Bible says, with Adam's race.
• 1:25:55
  And
• 1:25:57
  that,
• 1:25:58
  Abraham is the father of all of that.
• 1:26:01
  And if you're gonna say that, well,
• 1:26:04
  to bless Abraham is to bless the Israelites or the Jews.
• 1:26:08
  Well, number one, it's not to bless the Jews because that's not even a race of men, that's a religion.
• 1:26:13
  Pretty much across the board, I think we can say that. People try to confound the two, there is no confounding.
• 1:26:19
  Judaism
• 1:26:20
  Unknown: is short. Roger, what's that? It's multi religions within one.
• 1:26:25
  Unknown: Oh, yeah. Well, even in Jesus Christ's day, we'd made mention. There were the Essene, the Sadducees Right. The Pharisees.
• 1:26:32
  And they're all different. And then what is Judaism? Judaism is Babylonian
• 1:26:36
  Gnosticism.
• 1:26:38
  That's all it is. All it is, well, that can get pretty complicated, but just BS.
• 1:26:42
  That's bottom sediment.
• 1:26:45
  It's just baloney. It and no matter how thin you slice it, and that's a quote.
• 1:26:49
  Well,
• 1:26:50
  go back to that fella. I was gonna say about Judaism though.
• 1:26:55
  This fella, Charles Lee Feinberg, now this is curious.
• 1:26:59
  He grew up in an orthodox family in Philadelphia.
• 1:27:03
  He claims, and I'd heard him tell the story, a convert to
• 1:27:08
  Christianity listening to the preaching of Billy Sunday on a hot summer night on the edge of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in a big tent.
• 1:27:18
  He got fascinated,
• 1:27:20
  took all he was 14 years old, took all the money he had and followed Billy Sunday with every crusade he held from Philadelphia
• 1:27:27
  down the East Coast, clear to Florida. Wow. Got to Florida, didn't have any money, didn't know how to get home, wrote his parents,
• 1:27:34
  told them what happened to him
• 1:27:36
  and they wouldn't talk to him, never did talk to him the rest of his life, according to him.
• 1:27:41
  Well, then he comes back, he goes to Philadelphia College of the Bible, goes to Dallas Seminary, becomes well known, writes lots
• 1:27:50
  of books.
• 1:27:51
  Professor of Semitics and Old Testament and Hebrew,
• 1:27:54
  Dallas Seminary graduate,
• 1:27:56
  PhD,
• 1:27:57
  John Hopkins, PhD, Dallas,
• 1:28:00
  master's degree in Ugaritic from John Hopkins and on and on, educated
• 1:28:04
  beyond his intelligence.
• 1:28:07
  And
• 1:28:08
  did he know a lot? Oh, he knew a lot. But
• 1:28:12
  and by the way, oddly, and I'd heard him,
• 1:28:16
  he was a great pulpeteer.
• 1:28:18
  You wouldn't know it looking at him or listening to him talk. When he got up into the pulpit,
• 1:28:23
  he could keep
• 1:28:25
  an audience's attention
• 1:28:28
  with
• 1:28:29
  stories,
• 1:28:30
  information, and be interesting
• 1:28:32
  and tell you things about the Old Testament you never thought of before.
• 1:28:36
  That's all true.
• 1:28:37
  But then turn around
• 1:28:39
  and deny that the law of God has any meaning in a Christian man's life. Of course, my question now when I got older, a guy like him, I'd say, why are you teaching Hebrew?
• 1:28:49
  Why do you teach the Old Testament if the Old Testament doesn't matter? His foremost protege,
• 1:28:55
  Charles Lee Feinberg's
• 1:28:57
  foremost protege
• 1:28:59
  was John MacArthur.
• 1:29:01
  John MacArthur's
• 1:29:03
  father, Jack,
• 1:29:05
  was
• 1:29:07
  Tidern a tick with Charles Lee Heinfeinberg.
• 1:29:11
  John MacArthur's grandfather wrote a book called
• 1:29:15
  God's Not Through With the Jew.
• 1:29:17
  God's Not Through With the Jew,
• 1:29:19
  A dispensational presentation,
• 1:29:21
  Zionistic.
• 1:29:23
  Well,
• 1:29:24
  Jack was that way. Jack MacArthur was the man
• 1:29:28
  he they were Canadians originally. And Jack MacArthur,
• 1:29:32
  his grandpa,
• 1:29:33
  was pastor
• 1:29:36
  to Anne of Green Gables and up what in New
• 1:29:41
  they call
• 1:29:42
  Newfoundland.
• 1:29:46
  She was poet laureate of Canada.
• 1:29:50
  And then they came west and he wrote that book,
• 1:29:55
  God is not through with the Jew.
• 1:29:57
  And then they came down to Southern California and Jack was out at Eagle Rock,
• 1:30:01
  not far from Glendale.
• 1:30:04
  And
• 1:30:06
  then
• 1:30:07
  in Burbank,
• 1:30:09
  in a pretty good sized church where he was pastor and
• 1:30:13
  Roy Rogers and Dale Evans got to go into church there.
• 1:30:17
  And
• 1:30:18
  they credit
• 1:30:20
  Jack MacArthur to their conversion. They became
• 1:30:24
  pretty strong evangelicals.
• 1:30:25
  I'm talking about
• 1:30:26
  Roy Rogers and Dale.
• 1:30:29
  But then the
• 1:30:31
  First
• 1:30:32
  Presbyterian Church of Hollywood,
• 1:30:35
  very famous,
• 1:30:37
  called people there call it
• 1:30:39
  Hollywood Press, First Presbyterian Church of Hollywood.
• 1:30:43
  They founded
• 1:30:44
  a church
• 1:30:46
  out there in the valley called the Grace Community Church of the Valley
• 1:30:50
  that was founded by the First
• 1:30:53
  Presbyterian Church of Hollywood.
• 1:30:55
  And that's where John MacArthur
• 1:30:57
  became pastor.
• 1:31:00
  And John
• 1:31:01
  was protege of
• 1:31:03
  of a matter of fact, John
• 1:31:06
  John was going to school. His father sent him to school at Bob Jones.
• 1:31:12
  And, he was in the gospel quartet and got into an awful traffic accident with
• 1:31:18
  the other guy in the quartet was,
• 1:31:21
  Dave Hawking.
• 1:31:23
  Dave Hawking was, his father worked an oil field there in Long Beach, but his father was Jewish.
• 1:31:29
  Not his mother, his father.
• 1:31:33
  So he was a hardcore dispensationalist,
• 1:31:35
  and
• 1:31:36
  him and John were at
• 1:31:38
  Bob Jones. Well, he went skidding down the highway on his back, took his hide off, wound
• 1:31:44
  up in the hospital for a few months.
• 1:31:47
  And he says that's when he had his
• 1:31:50
  that's when he entered the ministry, was when that in that car wreck.
• 1:31:55
  That's not funny. She's lucky he's alive.
• 1:31:58
  Well, then he came back out and Jack MacArthur, his father, took him and said, look, I got this boy here. He handed him over to Charles Lee Feinberg and said, can you do something with him?
• 1:32:08
  Well, Charles Lee Feinberg took him under his wing.
• 1:32:12
  And John MacArthur, of course, well known throughout the world,
• 1:32:16
  arguably the best
• 1:32:18
  known expositor of the Bible in our times. He's gone now. He died last year.
• 1:32:23
  But here's the story John MacArthur told later. He was
• 1:32:28
  always promoting Charles Lee Feinberg. How smart he was, how
• 1:32:34
  how Judaism
• 1:32:36
  is such an important part of
• 1:32:39
  our Christianity
• 1:32:40
  and how God's not through with the Jew. That was John MacArthur.
• 1:32:44
  John MacArthur never exposited the Old Testament.
• 1:32:48
  He spent his entire
• 1:32:50
  calling
• 1:32:52
  teaching the New Testament.
• 1:32:54
  And he taught through the whole thing, but he never taught the Old Testament. Why?
• 1:32:59
  Well, because he was John MacArthur's hardcore dispensationalist.
• 1:33:04
  The law of God doesn't matter. It's not good for a standard. Did you know, Roger,
• 1:33:08
  I need to stop camp here just a minute and say, there is no such thing as salvation by grace through faith
• 1:33:16
  without the works of the law,
• 1:33:19
  unless the law is there
• 1:33:21
  to bring guilt.
• 1:33:22
  If the law never brings guilt to you because you're a lawbreaker,
• 1:33:27
  God God will never get you flat on your face
• 1:33:30
  and he'll never save you
• 1:33:32
  unless you, by the law of God, understand
• 1:33:35
  that you are a sinner. And by the way, sin, according to the Bible, the Bible says sin is
• 1:33:41
  transgression of God's law.
• 1:33:44
  Well, it just says transgression of the law, but talking about God's law.
• 1:33:49
  And that's what we need salvation from. We're lawbreakers.
• 1:33:52
  We've offended a holy God.
• 1:33:55
  That's why the preaching of the law is so important to Christianity. That's why the Puritans
• 1:34:00
  focused on the law of God. Why? So that the elect of God would be convicted of their sin
• 1:34:06
  and that they would turn. That's what God wants us to do. That's called conversion, convert, turn. Turn from
• 1:34:14
  your sin, your law breaking and become a law keeper. Well, how are you gonna keep the law if you don't know what it is? If nobody's teaching it to you? And the answer is you don't.
• 1:34:24
  Without the law of God, God's
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  MO is he uses his law
• 1:34:29
  to convict you of your law breaking so that you will turn to the only remedy that he provides, which is his son.
• 1:34:38
  And then after that happens and the new birth occurs, then the law becomes your
• 1:34:43
  passion.
• 1:34:45
  It's what you want.
• 1:34:47
  And then to have a seminary
• 1:34:49
  that would focus on telling people
• 1:34:52
  that you don't need the law of God anymore, you're
• 1:34:55
  under grace now.
• 1:34:57
  That's Old Testament stuff. That was in that old
• 1:35:00
  dispensation.
• 1:35:01
  We now have like Hebrews in the New Testament says, we got the new covenant now.
• 1:35:07
  It's elusive, I agree. Because there is a such thing. The Bible talks about the old and the new covenant. Well, that's the old and the new trust settlement that has to do with property
• 1:35:16
  and you are the chosen beneficiary
• 1:35:18
  if you're a Christian.
• 1:35:20
  Just like in trust law and our common law tradition,
• 1:35:24
  the settler chooses his beneficiaries.
• 1:35:28
  They don't choose to be beneficiaries.
• 1:35:30
  He chooses them to be beneficiaries.
• 1:35:32
  I've set up a lot of trust and I tell people, they come to me,
• 1:35:36
  you wanna trust? Okay. First thing you gotta decide is who are gonna be the beneficiaries.
• 1:35:41
  I mean, I get to decide, oh, yeah, you can have anybody you want, you know, just you gotta choose though.
• 1:35:47
  And you're the settler, you're the one that owns the property
• 1:35:50
  and you're the one that's setting this thing up.
• 1:35:52
  You choose. Well, God set up a trust settlement.
• 1:35:55
  The entrusted property, there has to be entrusted property to for a trust to exist, the entrusted property is all the land of this earth. By the way, see dispensationalism
• 1:36:05
  says this, the only land that counts is the land of Israel.
• 1:36:09
  That's all that counts.
• 1:36:11
  America doesn't count.
• 1:36:14
  This land over here, as beautiful as it is, God doesn't care about it. He cares about that rattlesnake pit over there on the other side of the world that's filled with
• 1:36:22
  that place doesn't hold a candle to what we got for productivity.
• 1:36:26
  No. What productivity do they have?
• 1:36:28
  Not very much. Not very much. Their country is very small, doesn't have many people, and it's dangerous to live there.
• 1:36:36
  That country
• 1:36:38
  is not God's
• 1:36:39
  chosen land.
• 1:36:41
  It was God's chosen land for a purpose of those people.
• 1:36:44
  But the Bible says that God has divided
• 1:36:47
  all the land of this place we call Earth up among the tribe and the tongues
• 1:36:51
  and the nations.
• 1:36:52
  And he has given us a responsibility
• 1:36:54
  not to pollute it, to make it productive for his glory and our benefit, our enjoyment. We are beneficiaries,
• 1:37:01
  friends. It is a trust settlement.
• 1:37:04
  And to
• 1:37:05
  follow dispensationalism,
• 1:37:07
  Zionism,
• 1:37:09
  is to deny
• 1:37:11
  the arrangement that God has called his relationship with you.
• 1:37:16
  He has given you a land and you are to be loyal to this land. To be a beneficiary
• 1:37:23
  is to be loyal to the entrusted
• 1:37:26
  property.
• 1:37:27
  I'm
• 1:37:28
  a lawyer.
• 1:37:29
  Somebody says to me, I'm entrusting this case to you. I'm entrusting other people, entrust
• 1:37:35
  trusteeships to me. I'm going through a deal now.
• 1:37:38
  Or the only thing that matters is the trusteeship has been entrusted to me. Am I going to be loyal?
• 1:37:45
  How far do I go? I said there's only two kinds of relationships in our common law tradition because there's and there's only two kinds of relationships that God talks about in the Bible,
• 1:37:55
  fiduciary
• 1:37:56
  and non fiduciary.
• 1:37:59
  What's the difference?
• 1:38:01
  A non fiduciary
• 1:38:02
  relationship,
• 1:38:03
  I look out for myself.
• 1:38:06
  I'll let you look out, you look out for you. I'm gonna buy your
• 1:38:10
  house. You look out for yourself. I'll look out for me.
• 1:38:14
  And if you don't look out for yourself, caveat
• 1:38:17
  emptor,
• 1:38:18
  buyer beware.
• 1:38:20
  That's called an arm's length relationship.
• 1:38:23
  Most all contracts are that way, two parties or more, but two at least.
• 1:38:28
  Quid pro quo, I look out for my business, you look out for yours.
• 1:38:33
  But fiduciary relationships,
• 1:38:35
  that's different. In a fiduciary relationship,
• 1:38:40
  I look out for the other fellow. I don't look out for me. And if I look out for my own business, my own benefit,
• 1:38:46
  I've broken the law.
• 1:38:47
  No, that's an agency relationship and a trust relationship.
• 1:38:52
  Attorney is that way.
• 1:38:54
  Agency, power of attorney is that way.
• 1:38:57
  But the highest of those two
• 1:39:00
  is the trustee relationship.
• 1:39:02
  The trustee's
• 1:39:03
  relationship
• 1:39:05
  is the highest duty known in our common law tradition. It's so high
• 1:39:10
  that to breach it
• 1:39:13
  is a criminal liability in some cases.
• 1:39:16
  And I know I was just I was talking to a trust lawyer. Guys made lots of money entrusting land
• 1:39:23
  or helping farmers entrust land to their children. That's his expertise.
• 1:39:27
  Back home, you see.
• 1:39:29
  And I said to him, being a trustee, he said, trust I don't know why anybody want to be a trustee. He said, that's a pain in the neck. I said, that's not a pain in the neck, it's dangerous.
• 1:39:39
  He said, oh no, no, I've never had any problem. I said, well, go talk to Judge Kokanar up there in Clark County. He went to state prison. Judge,
• 1:39:47
  trustee for if you go to a judge, you think he'd make a good trustee, you know, with his family all his life.
• 1:39:53
  He loaned some money, trust money to his brother. I knew his brother used to put up pay for him.
• 1:39:59
  They had a thoroughbred farm out there, training horses and all that.
• 1:40:04
  He entrusted or loaned money on good interest.
• 1:40:08
  Well, seems innocuous. Is it legal? Yeah.
• 1:40:11
  But at the same time, probably not smart.
• 1:40:14
  He went to state prison
• 1:40:16
  for six months. I knew another lawyer down there, Franklin,
• 1:40:21
  down there along the Wabash River near Mount Carmel.
• 1:40:25
  He was made trustee. People say, and I've said this, he got a law license, he'll make a trust. He wants to protect his law license, he won't screw up.
• 1:40:33
  Well, he didn't really screw up, but I don't know why. I never found out he had this money entrusted to him. He took $2,000
• 1:40:40
  out of the trust fund,
• 1:40:42
  did something with it, put it back within forty eight hours with a year's worth of interest.
• 1:40:48
  Local county prosecutor found out about it. He lost his law license and went to jail for two Oh, darn.
• 1:40:56
  The trustee's duty is high.
• 1:40:58
  Fiduciary,
• 1:40:59
  that's why it says of Jesus Christ, he is entrusted.
• 1:41:03
  The Godhead and they all agreed they would entrust him with the redemption
• 1:41:07
  of his chosen people. That's us,
• 1:41:10
  individually.
• 1:41:12
  And the Old Testament says that
• 1:41:14
  he kept that
• 1:41:16
  undertaking,
• 1:41:18
  his trustee's duty,
• 1:41:20
  even to his own hurt.
• 1:41:23
  Well, how much hurt was
• 1:41:25
  put on him?
• 1:41:27
  They murdered him and he gave himself up for murder to keep
• 1:41:31
  his trusteeship
• 1:41:33
  to do his duty.
• 1:41:35
  And what was it all about?
• 1:41:37
  So that he could read not he could, he already had in the Old Testament, Abraham,
• 1:41:42
  Jesus Christ is a descendant of Abraham.
• 1:41:45
  And the whole genealogical record
• 1:41:47
  is right there in the book of Luke.
• 1:41:50
  Three sections of 14 generations each.
• 1:41:53
  And Jesus Christ
• 1:41:55
  and Matthew two, by the way.
• 1:41:58
  Jesus Christ, when Abraham says, and he, amen, God,
• 1:42:02
  he trusted. Amen. I agree. I trust. I agree with what God said.
• 1:42:06
  God counted it to him for righteousness
• 1:42:09
  and he was trusting in the coming Messiah,
• 1:42:12
  one of his own descendants.
• 1:42:16
  He looked forward
• 1:42:17
  in trust to what the Bible said.
• 1:42:19
  Today,
• 1:42:20
  we take what the Bible said, the testimony of the evangelist and all the Bible, and we look back to the same thing and we trust the evidence to be good.
• 1:42:29
  And the trust indenture
• 1:42:30
  documents, the Bible itself,
• 1:42:32
  that collection of writs
• 1:42:34
  are trustworthy.
• 1:42:36
  As evidence of the entrustment,
• 1:42:39
  we look back,
• 1:42:41
  but the trustee, the ultimate trustee, Jesus Christ,
• 1:42:46
  it fulfills his duty
• 1:42:48
  even to the point of
• 1:42:50
  being beat half to death
• 1:42:53
  and then nailed to a post and left to die.
• 1:42:56
  And by doing so, he paid the penalty,
• 1:43:00
  the capital penalty for my law breaking.
• 1:43:03
  And by doing that,
• 1:43:05
  by doing that, he now has given me a new heart, a new mind and I want
• 1:43:10
  to do his law. It's his law.
• 1:43:12
  Yep. And he's written it down the book, friends. Every page, every verse, every paracope,
• 1:43:18
  every word, every sentence is calculated to let you know
• 1:43:23
  better
• 1:43:25
  what God wants,
• 1:43:27
  the will of the sovereign.
• 1:43:30
  And if he's your father and you're born from above,
• 1:43:33
  he's given you a new heart and new mind. You want you want to please him.
• 1:43:38
  You're not trying to earn your salvation. It's just what you do. You know, I've noticed, Roger, I give personal testimony.
• 1:43:45
  I am shocked
• 1:43:47
  at what I won't do. I mean, I'm really
• 1:43:51
  surprised
• 1:43:52
  when I look back over the past thirty five years or forty years,
• 1:43:56
  opportunities
• 1:43:57
  I've had to do things
• 1:43:59
  and I didn't do them.
• 1:44:02
  And it surprises me even in other words,
• 1:44:05
  God had built into me, it gives me confidence to know
• 1:44:08
  that I really do wanna keep his law and there's something in me that I won't do some things.
• 1:44:14
  What a good feeling, Roger. Yeah. Not
• 1:44:17
  And we're all if you're born of God,
• 1:44:20
  it's what God does through you like that, that he's given you a new heart, a new mind, or you still got
• 1:44:27
  these old desires in your flesh and your members as the Bible says, and they're still talking to you.
• 1:44:33
  But the spirit of God that lives in every molecule,
• 1:44:36
  every molecule of your organs and your body
• 1:44:41
  has beaten that old flesh down. And then the Bible says he'll make you beat it down. Paul the Apostle says,
• 1:44:47
  I beat myself
• 1:44:49
  black and blue. That's exactly what it says. He uses the word
• 1:44:55
  from the boxers of the Greek world. You know, the Greek boxers were a very famous people
• 1:45:01
  and
• 1:45:03
  they had a word for getting punched into the eye and giving yourself a shiner or getting a shiner from somebody.
• 1:45:08
  And Paul says, I give myself shiners. I punch myself in the face to try to discipline myself. That's how hard I am. Well, he's using the analogy.
• 1:45:18
  And that's what the spirit of God will drive us to do.
• 1:45:22
  And God, people say, man, yeah, they don't like me. They don't like the way I talk. They don't like my attitude, whatever they don't like about me. And I say to them, listen,
• 1:45:32
  can you imagine how much worse it would be
• 1:45:35
  if I hadn't been churched a little bit? Church. Paught a
• 1:45:41
  little bit about the Bible. It'd be a lot worse. I'll be happy that God's moving me in the right direction. I'm trying.
• 1:45:48
  I'm trying to go along with him and go along with the program as he takes me to the woodshed,
• 1:45:53
  Operation
• 1:45:54
  Woodshed,
• 1:45:56
  applying the board of education to the seat of knowledge,
• 1:46:00
  as we say. I remember when I'd grown up, we'd go to church down there at White Oak, you know, we had a bunch of At that time, there were a lot of young families there and I was related to some of them, if not by marriage, by
• 1:46:12
  blood. But, you know, we all knew if during the church service,
• 1:46:15
  one of the fathers would stand up
• 1:46:18
  in front of everybody, the whole church, there might've been 50 people there at the most, know, but that was a whole, that was a lot of people.
• 1:46:25
  And embarrass some little kid, snap the fingers and say, come with me. Yeah. And all of us little kids knew where they were going. They were going out behind the outhouse,
• 1:46:33
  and that's where it was traditional. I don't know why, but they'd take you out behind the outhouse and that's where they'd fan your bottom.
• 1:46:40
  Unknown: And then My parents my parents had a better way. What is it? They both sang in the choir, and they could watch me wherever I was. That's
• 1:46:51
  Unknown: pretty good, Roger. Maybe that's why they did it. Just keep an eye on you. Yeah. Well,
• 1:46:56
  but that's what God does. He
• 1:46:59
  and if you didn't get enough of that when you were growing up, he'll give you plenty if you become a Christian. But here's the beautiful thing about it.
• 1:47:06
  The beautiful thing about it. I had a cousin
• 1:47:09
  that I love to go to his house because when I go over there, spend the night or whatever we do, fiddle around, his parents didn't have any bedtime. We'd stay up till two I remember staying up with my my cousins, boys and girls, 02:00 in the morning
• 1:47:23
  outside
• 1:47:24
  the house in a hot summer evening playing Mother May I. You remember Mother May I? Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:47:30
  Well, we we didn't have to go to bed.
• 1:47:33
  And we got and we grew up and I we got to talking one time and I was talking about what dad did to David and I once when we were supposed to be working. He'd grab up anything handy and he'd wear us out, you know, if he thought it was appropriate.
• 1:47:46
  He
• 1:47:47
  and he's yeah. Go ahead.
• 1:47:49
  Unknown: I've had a memory flashing back to me lately. I didn't Yeah. Thought about talking about it on the program. Never thought about it till just now.
• 1:47:58
  Yeah.
• 1:48:00
  Hot summer nights, how about catching,
• 1:48:02
  lightning bugs, putting them in a glass jar? Oh, yeah. Go snipe hunting, catch lightning bow. Yeah. We Well, I know about that, but I know one thing we did that I look back on and just say, you wanna know how stupid a kid I was?
• 1:48:16
  How Roger. Roger. How stupid were you? Well, I'm gonna tell you. It's in Florida now, summer. That big thing is mosquitoes,
• 1:48:24
  and the DDT truck would come down the street spraying that DDT,
• 1:48:30
  and we would get out and run behind it.
• 1:48:33
  Unknown: Yeah. Yeah. I I can picture that. I I would have done the same thing probably. Nobody knew the difference at that time though. Well, nobody's stopping us. Yeah. No. Your parents couldn't even told you the difference.
• 1:48:45
  I know what you're saying. We used to farm. My job was to help dad fill the buckets to fill the boxes on the planter. And then they came out with herbicide in a granular form. And then they
• 1:48:56
  buy these boxes, little boxes, you'd mount them on behind the seed box
• 1:49:01
  and they drop herbicide
• 1:49:03
  in a granule form. We'd take 50 pound bags of it, dump it over in that box. And then we'd take our hand and level it out and have this stuff all over us. Yeah,
• 1:49:12
  Unknown: didn't know any better, you know? Numb, dummy. Yeah. I wanted to also add something about the maybe if we could circle back to your buddy, JD Hall,
• 1:49:22
  who, again, I would please bring get him on the show if you can reach out to him. I was super impressed with the guy.
• 1:49:30
  One thing he really answered a question, though, was using the Scofield Bible
• 1:49:36
  and the way that that pastors, they couldn't all go to seminaries and stuff.
• 1:49:41
  And they'd go home, and they use those notes
• 1:49:45
  to formulate
• 1:49:46
  Unknown: serve sermons as doing background research. Yes. He did. And that's true. And that's an important point. You know, the first study bible in the English speaking world was the Geneva bible. Well, that's what I wanted to bring up. Didn't the Geneva Bible have margin notes too?
• 1:50:03
  Yeah. And that was the first one. And it was the first one printed in a they called it quarto size
• 1:50:08
  Yes. That people could carry to church. You know, we go to church now and the preacher will say, please open your Bibles up. That never happened before the Geneva Bible. The Geneva Bible brought a culture to England when
• 1:50:21
  the Geneva Bible was very popular and
• 1:50:23
  that was in the Puritan tradition. People started carrying their Bibles to church and they could look at the Bible and see if what the preacher was saying was true. Like it says in the book of Acts
• 1:50:33
  of the
• 1:50:35
  Remember that verse that says that they searched the Bible to see if those things that were preached were so? Well, we got to doing that in English speaking world and people say, oh, but we got all these different sects and denominations
• 1:50:47
  and yeah, no kidding.
• 1:50:50
  And it's created a powerful culture.
• 1:50:52
  We all can take our Bibles now and we'll decide for ourselves.
• 1:50:56
  Forget the theologians.
• 1:50:57
  When I was growing up, if people had a seminary
• 1:51:00
  education or a Bible college education,
• 1:51:03
  they didn't let them preach where I went to church. The only people that allowed to preach were just the folk that lived around there that had no education.
• 1:51:10
  People did not trust education. It's still that way to some degree around there. But if yeah. So if you had a you didn't have a library if you're a preacher, what did you have? You just had the Bible. And you come out in 1909,
• 1:51:24
  they came out with that. Now, the Geneva Bible had good notes in it. Matter of fact, you've heard me say this, King James the first hated the Geneva Bible because
• 1:51:33
  the notes
• 1:51:34
  mitigated against kingly and emperor power,
• 1:51:37
  the power of the government.
• 1:51:39
  And so the King James Bible, he wanted that Bible translated into
• 1:51:43
  English so that he could promote it using government money, which he did. It took about fifty years, but it finally overcame popularity
• 1:51:51
  of the Geneva Bible. You know, the Puritans and the Pilgrims, when they came to America, they didn't bring the they had the King James. They didn't bring it. They didn't want it. They wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. They hated it. I mean, hated it because
• 1:52:05
  they knew that it had
• 1:52:07
  innuendos
• 1:52:08
  in it, and it does. It even adds words in some places to promote government power.
• 1:52:15
  And I can show you exactly where it is. Well, coming back to
• 1:52:19
  the Geneva Bible, then the Schofield reference Bible came out in nineteen o nine and C. I. Schofield,
• 1:52:26
  and J. D. Hall said the guy was a scoundrel.
• 1:52:29
  Well, here's what it's funny thing about C. I. He was a funny guy. He did abandon his family. He did get to drinking and couldn't He was a drunk.
• 1:52:38
  Yeah. And oddly,
• 1:52:40
  guy had never been to law school. Don't think he ever went to college. He had none of that stuff. Somehow he gets appointed US attorney for Kansas.
• 1:52:50
  Don't think I he did mean, he get in these high positions.
• 1:52:53
  And then the next thing you know,
• 1:52:55
  and there was a society back in
• 1:52:58
  one of those
• 1:53:00
  East Coast towns. The Lotus
• 1:53:02
  Club. Yeah. Yeah. The Lotus Club. All them intellectual belong to it. How does a guy like that, who's not an intellectual,
• 1:53:10
  how does he get into the Lotus Club? I have no idea. He got in.
• 1:53:14
  Unknown: Ubermeyer.
• 1:53:14
  They they picked him up, and Ubermeyer was his groomer. Now now, Britt, yeah, I've I'm you may not know this.
• 1:53:22
  When my wife was in the last phases of of dying with cancer, we had went up to Tennessee
• 1:53:28
  around Knoxville, Bristol,
• 1:53:30
  and, because these folks of good Patriot family had a machine supposed to be able to help her. So we were up there, spent about a week doing treatments and stuff. Well, the wife
• 1:53:40
  well, that's pretty close to to,
• 1:53:42
  Asheville, not too far. Uh-huh. And the
• 1:53:45
  the the wife of the family knew mister
• 1:53:48
  I think it's Cranfield.
• 1:53:51
  Yeah. He's the guy that's writ has written the only book ever on Schofield,
• 1:53:57
  and we got to go up there and have lunch with him. He had a gentleman that lived with his daughter,
• 1:54:02
  elderly,
• 1:54:03
  but came out, was thrilled, had a wonderful lunch, and that's where I know some of this background is from that book and from spending personal time with that guy.
• 1:54:13
  Unknown: Well, see, that's that's important
• 1:54:17
  information
• 1:54:18
  and you're talking about the Lotus Club.
• 1:54:20
  CIA Schofield was
• 1:54:22
  joined at the hip with Louis Louis Perry Schaefer.
• 1:54:26
  Well, Louis Perry Schaefer is the founder of Dallas Seminary.
• 1:54:29
  Oh. And on and on it goes. And then
• 1:54:33
  Charles Lee Feinberg, I mentioned a while ago, he was on the editorial board of the revision of the Schofield Bible, which came out in, I think, 'sixty four, 1960 And
• 1:54:44
  on and on it goes, all these connections, dispensationalism
• 1:54:49
  was a movement in America that caught up the most wonderful people. For example, we talked about there's covenant theology and there's dispensational.
• 1:54:58
  Covenant in its various forms, which again, it's a catchall word, but that was what all of Christendom believed.
• 1:55:05
  And the Presbyterians were at the forefront became at the forefront, the Puritans passed from existence.
• 1:55:13
  Passed from existence and the Presbyterians,
• 1:55:16
  which were caught up with the Puritans and fighting the crown,
• 1:55:20
  they were both reformed, both were
• 1:55:22
  Calvinistic to the biblical degree,
• 1:55:25
  and the Presbyterians took over.
• 1:55:28
  Know, I said this recently and somebody
• 1:55:30
  tried to disagree with me and I found out, well, it's not true. I thought maybe it was. More presidents of The United States have been Presbyterians than any other sect.
• 1:55:40
  And they said, no, that's not true. And I found out why he thought that wasn't true. And I found out it was because when you go to the internet,
• 1:55:46
  for some reason, for some reason, it omits
• 1:55:49
  Andy Jackson and Abe Lincoln.
• 1:55:52
  Because Andy Jackson, they're both Presbyterians,
• 1:55:54
  by the way, but both of them never talked about it and wouldn't proclaim it.
• 1:56:00
  But I've been to the church where Abe Lincoln went to church in Springfield, Illinois. It's a Presbyterian church. It's still right near downtown.
• 1:56:08
  Andy Jackson was raised Presbyterian
• 1:56:11
  simply because he was Scotch Irish.
• 1:56:14
  And then the Presbyterians
• 1:56:16
  were the dominant force in Middle America because of the immigration of the Scotch Irish.
• 1:56:22
  And of course, the Cane Ridge revival became the cultural
• 1:56:27
  impetus for everything in the Ohio Valley of Christianity and then moving into Missouri and Kansas and Oklahoma and Texas and
• 1:56:35
  just a lot to it without calling a Presbyterian.
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  But
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  Presbyterianism
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  became infiltrated
• 1:56:43
  by dispensationalism.
• 1:56:45
  I was talking about Charles Lee Feinberg, taught at Biola, the founder of Biola,
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  were the Stewart brothers, Lyman Stewart,
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  who was
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  Presbyterian
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  and he was concerned. He
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  had oil out in Long Beach, California. The whole
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  thing came out of oil and there was so much oil out there and he had a lot of money and he's the one that funded
• 1:57:08
  the building of,
• 1:57:11
  well, just so many things out there, but the BIOLA, the Biblical Institute of Los Angeles, that was Lyman Stewart,
• 1:57:17
  1909.
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  But
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  immediately
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  after that happened,
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  Moody Bible Institute,
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  Biola, Biblical Institute in Los Angeles, they were sister schools.
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  And
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  then the Presbyterians coming out of Princeton, including Francis Schaeffer
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  and D James Kennedy,
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  Presbyterian,
• 1:57:40
  they all became to varying degree a barn house out of Philadelphia, they became Zionists,
• 1:57:46
  a dispensationalist, I should say. They were Calvinistic
• 1:57:50
  dispensationalist.
• 1:57:52
  So it started creeping in that way. I guess we're done.
• 1:57:55
  Unknown: We're right at the tail end. That's for sure. And I'm sorry. This one is days where you wish we had more time, you know, in the air. We could talk about these things.
• 1:58:04
  I'm thrilled
• 1:58:05
  to know that you and mister Hall know each other. I was so impressed with that interview with Tucker
• 1:58:12
  who will probably end up rewatching it maybe over the weekend here.
• 1:58:17
  But, as always, Brent, well, we're glad to have you back.
• 1:58:21
  K? Missed you last week. Glad to have you back, especially right now when these things are breaking.
• 1:58:27
  We didn't even get to talk about the
• 1:58:30
  situation
• 1:58:31
  with Israel and the political situation of them getting exposed
• 1:58:36
  by the day.
• 1:58:37
  And I was commenting yesterday on your definition of
• 1:58:41
  of victory is confusion
• 1:58:43
  in the enemy's camp.
• 1:58:45
  I bet they're just rampant with confusion right now. Yeah. A lot of lot of things
• 1:58:51
  coming at them from a lot of different directions.
• 1:58:54
  So interesting
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  times, Brent. As always, we love you, man. Glad you found us again,
• 1:59:00
  and, we'll look forward to next week and seeing not only you, but what happens between now and then. Exciting times. Well,
• 1:59:09
  it's it's pleasant to be missed. Thanks, Roger. Yeah. You're welcome, Brent. And Thank you. And you are when you're not here,
• 1:59:16
  and we understand.
• 1:59:18
  So, we'll look forward to seeing you next week.
• 1:59:22
  Bye.
• 1:59:23
  Bye.
• 1:59:26
  Alright. We'll let Paul pop talked about commonlawyer.com.
• 1:59:31
  Unknown: Never did. Belar shame. I meant to interrupt a few times, the flow of the but
• 1:59:37
  the flow of the discussion was going so well.
• 1:59:42
  Unknown: A very, very interesting program today. It's two there were a couple of really interesting shows this week
• 1:59:48
  because of this breaking and having this
• 1:59:52
  really neat to discuss.
• 1:59:55
  Unknown: Well, let's see how much influence we have here, Roger and Paul.
• 2:00:00
  And, if
• 2:00:02
  you would contact,
• 2:00:04
  Tucker and tell him that I need to come on his show, then we'll see how much influence we have.
• 2:00:11
  Unknown: Well, why don't you contact JD and give us a door to him for both of us?
• 2:00:16
  Unknown: Okay.
• 2:00:17
  Yeah. I'll call JD.
• 2:00:19
  Well, I I haven't talked to him in many years. What's that, Paul?
• 2:00:23
  Unknown: Yeah. I know. I said, yeah. Oh,
• 2:00:27
  Unknown: Alright. Well, appreciate you fellows and Brent, sure you got things on your plate, and we'll see you soon.
• 2:00:35
  Have good luck. God be with you because I know he is. Ciao, man. Thank you, Roger.
• 2:00:41
  Okay. Brent, off into the sunset.
• 2:00:44
  Unknown: I'm just thankful that he didn't disappear because he decided to dip his toe back into the political waters before the midterm election, so I'm I'm comforted by that.
• 2:00:56
  Unknown: Okay.
• 2:00:57
  Well,
• 2:00:58
  yep, pretty cool stuff going on.
• 2:01:01
  Anybody got anything for me, or I've got things that I need to, gen two two,
• 2:01:06
  like that white thing in that little room.
• 2:01:10
  Unknown: Uh-huh. Anybody
• 2:01:11
  Unknown: else got something for me?
• 2:01:13
  How listen. We
• 2:01:15
  we we I don't know if it'll pan out,
• 2:01:19
  but we got a way to get to Tucker Carlson,
• 2:01:22
  a guy that's got a really
• 2:01:25
  vindictive
• 2:01:26
  quest on to expose these guys,
• 2:01:30
  and we have the ultimate answer.
• 2:01:32
  Cross your fingers. Say a prayer.
• 2:01:36
  That's all I ask. Okay?
• 2:01:38
  Unknown: There we go.
• 2:01:39
  Unknown: First time that's appeared. That's why I was so excited.
• 2:01:43
  Wow. Finally.
• 2:01:45
  Okay.
• 2:01:47
  I'll see y'all tomorrow. Yes. Okay. Yes.
• 2:01:50
  Was that Rick? Who's that?
• 2:01:52
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:01:54
  Unknown: If you have a liking of,
• 2:01:59
  funny historical stories,
• 2:02:02
  go to YouTube and look up the fat electrician.
• 2:02:08
  Unknown: Oh, the fat,
• 2:02:10
  f a t,
• 2:02:11
  electrician? Yep.
• 2:02:13
  Unknown: Yep.
• 2:02:15
  Unknown: Okay. I'll try and remember to do it, Rick.
• 2:02:18
  Unknown: Yeah. I just I've been watching him, and he's got some great stories. Lot of World War two army personnel story about people and stuff like that. And he told me about the nuclear testing that was going on in the fifties.
• 2:02:32
  It's highly entertaining, but he's he's got his facts straight. It's really good.
• 2:02:36
  Unknown: Have you have have you stumbled on the history guy yet in that area?
• 2:02:42
  Unknown: Yeah. But the federal electrician is highly entertaining.
• 2:02:47
  That's you know? Yeah.
• 2:02:48
  Unknown: Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:02:50
  Well, I I might. I'm sure I would. I do like some of the funny ones.
• 2:02:54
  That that history guy had a story on about
• 2:02:58
  something happened over in England where these guys that were off that were military
• 2:03:03
  impersonated
• 2:03:04
  a foreign nation
• 2:03:06
  and boarded a ship and got them to do a whole dinner,
• 2:03:09
  and and it was just freaking hilarious.
• 2:03:12
  Okay? And then the stunt they pulled on the on the British Navy, this particular ship, and, boy, the admiral, when he found out was pissed.
• 2:03:23
  Okay. It's a funny story.
• 2:03:26
  Anyway
• 2:03:27
  Alright. Thank you, Rick. The fat electrician.
• 2:03:30
  I'll try and remember.
• 2:03:31
  Unknown: Yeah. The one other one, I just watched one he did on Waffle House in the beginning. He's a Waffle House. Did you know that their FEMA has a Waffle House Index?
• 2:03:42
  Unknown: No.
• 2:03:44
  Unknown: It's how they measure the severity of natural disasters when whether or not the Waffle House is open and running.
• 2:03:51
  Unknown: Is that right? Oh, I heard a funny metric the other day. There's another guy that's got a metric on whether we're, like, going to war or not
• 2:03:59
  by how many pizzas
• 2:04:02
  are ordered by all the pizza places that surround the Pentagon.
• 2:04:07
  And if there's a whole bunch of pizzas ordered, they know they're doing late night war planning or weekend war planning. Working overtime. Yeah.
• 2:04:15
  Yeah. Interesting.
• 2:04:17
  Okay. Anybody else for the Raj?
• 2:04:20
  I thought I heard a female there.
• 2:04:25
  Roger? Female.
• 2:04:26
  Well, there's one.
• 2:04:28
  There's two. Hi, Roger. Yes, gals. Your
• 2:04:32
  Unknown: could also be the ordering of,
• 2:04:34
  little boys or little girls depending on whether there's sausage or cheese on them.
• 2:04:41
  Unknown: Okay. I don't know about that. He was talking about
• 2:04:44
  okay. Whatever.
• 2:04:45
  Is there anybody else?
• 2:04:48
  Was that one gal or two gals?
• 2:04:51
  Is that Julie or Robbie? Were you there or what?
• 2:04:55
  Okay. I thought I heard two distinct female voices. Yes, Robbie.
• 2:05:02
  Unknown: It's me, Julie. You're confusing me with Robbie.
• 2:05:06
  Unknown: Well, you sound similar. That's why I said I thought I heard two of you.
• 2:05:11
  Okay. Well, I don't know if Comet Pizza is in the neighborhood of the Pentagon. I just don't know those things because I'm not a DC guy like you are. It is. Uh-huh. It's very close by. It's on Connecticut. Well, hey. You know, there's all kinds of Israeli
• 2:05:26
  people in the Pentagon. It could've been them ordering those pizzas.
• 2:05:32
  Unknown: Never know. I've been there before, by the way.
• 2:05:35
  Unknown: Uh-huh. Okay.
• 2:05:38
  Well, Tucker used to carry his kids in there.
• 2:05:41
  Yeah. Joe? Comment?
• 2:05:44
  Unknown: Yes, sir. Clip on news
• 2:05:46
  yesterday,
• 2:05:49
  have you ever heard of a investigative reporter by the name of Oscar Ramirez?
• 2:05:56
  No.
• 2:05:57
  Anyway,
• 2:05:58
  he
• 2:05:59
  showed
• 2:06:02
  clips from a documentary he's putting together on all the
• 2:06:07
  mass graves
• 2:06:09
  in Mexico
• 2:06:11
  of several
• 2:06:13
  places,
• 2:06:15
  and
• 2:06:16
  they showed the bones to prove it.
• 2:06:19
  So
• 2:06:20
  so there's
• 2:06:22
  many, many, many, many thousands of them.
• 2:06:25
  Unknown: Wouldn't surprise me a leg. Oscar Ramer
• 2:06:30
  Unknown: has his name.
• 2:06:31
  Unknown: Alright. Wouldn't surprise me a bit. Not one bit these days.
• 2:06:35
  Okay. Who else has got something?
• 2:06:38
  Regular,
• 2:06:41
  macabre,
• 2:06:42
  whatever. Out of the ordinary?
• 2:06:46
  Alright. Well, listen. If you do, hold on to him. We'll have time to discuss him tomorrow.
• 2:06:52
  And, we'll see what pops up between now and then or what
• 2:06:56
  pops up when we reconvene.
• 2:06:59
  Thank you, Paul.
• 2:07:01
  Thanks, everybody.
• 2:07:03
  Excellent show. See you tomorrow.
• 2:07:05
  Have a great day.
• 2:07:07
  Ciao.
• 2:08:15
  Unknown: Okay.
• 2:08:16
  So apparently,
• 2:08:17
  nobody's got anything else to add to today's program. So
• 2:08:22
  this has been the Radio Ranch with Roger Sails and special guest co host,
• 2:08:28
  Brent Allen Winters. He's always with us on Fridays. Well, not always, I guess. Our website is thematrixdocs.com.
• 2:08:36
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• 2:08:40
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• 2:08:42
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• 2:08:43
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• 2:08:45
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• 2:08:46
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• 2:08:47
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• 2:08:57
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• 2:09:18
  Unknown: Blasting the voice of Freedom Worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
• 2:09:24
  Unknown: Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.