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Barbara With-Channeling Einstein, the Party of Twelve & How World Peace Begins Within · Mediumship Sparks-The Next Chapter

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  Speaker 1: Today I spoke with Barbara With. I have shed a
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  Speaker 1: lot of tears, including when I was meeting with her
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  Speaker 1: when we were ending the session, and even since. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if it's her integrity or her authenticity, who
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  Speaker 1: she is or work she's done on herself, and the
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  Speaker 1: work she continues to share and will for the rest
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  Speaker 1: of her life. It was an honor to speak with her,
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  Speaker 1: and it's an even greater honor to share her with you.
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  Speaker 1: So I hope you enjoy the conversation. Maybe it leaves
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  Speaker 1: you wanting a bit more of barber time too. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Mediumship Sparks, a place for people who want to
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  Speaker 1: create the spiritual life they actually want to live in. Together,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to explore the many ways we're invited into
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  Speaker 1: greater awareness, deeper healing, and self-trust. The insights, ideas, experiences
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  Speaker 1: shared here are offered to spark curiosity and invite a
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  Speaker 1: deeper exploration of what's unfolding within and around you. May
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  Speaker 1: these conversations help you discover what feels deeply, quietly true
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  Speaker 1: for you. I'm Noelle Dean, intuitive medium and licensed marriage
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  Speaker 1: and family therapist. Quick note before we begin, the podcast
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  Speaker 1: is for educational purposes only and provides general information. It's
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  Speaker 1: not medical or psychological advice and not a substitute for
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  Speaker 1: care from a licensed health professional.
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  Speaker 2: Now let's dive in. Hello. Hello. How are you today?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing great.
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  Speaker 1: How are you, Barbara?
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  Speaker 2: Very good. Thank you. Thanks for having me. I got
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  Speaker 2: to be honest.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't do any research on you until last night,
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  Speaker 1: and then I could barely sleep. First of all, I'm
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  Speaker 1: a little embarrassed that I never heard of your work before,
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  Speaker 1: like The Party of Twelve. And I was so excited
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  Speaker 1: just at the prospect. I'm probably going to get emotional.
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  Speaker 1: I feel ashamed, but I have 400 pages of a
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  Speaker 1: manuscript from an energy collective. that they gave me five
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  Speaker 1: years ago that I've done nothing with. And I totally
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  Speaker 1: blanked on it. I've kept their work quiet because I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what to do with it. But anyway, your
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  Speaker 1: bravery and courage to put yourself out there at a
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  Speaker 1: time when spirituality was less accepted, like 30, I think
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  Speaker 1: it was 30 years. Your journey and what you do
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  Speaker 1: just so speaks to my soul.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Noel, that's so beautiful. I have to admit, too,
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  Speaker 2: that I just jumped on to say, OK, let's find
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  Speaker 2: out about Noel. And I was just quickly reading through
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  Speaker 2: your stuff and I was like, oh, my gosh. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: my gosh. So much of it just resonates with my journey, too.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for meeting with me because I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: stay relaxed and not get nervous because I have so
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  Speaker 1: much respect for your work and you as the person
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  Speaker 1: who did that work. And I had this strange experience
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  Speaker 1: last night that must be related to, because that's kind
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  Speaker 1: of how I operate when I am going to meet
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  Speaker 1: with somebody. So I usually have some trouble falling asleep,
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  Speaker 1: but it was like chaos last night. At times it
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  Speaker 1: sounded like I heard a TV in the background. I
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  Speaker 1: heard other noises. And then there was this man that
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  Speaker 1: sounded a.
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  Speaker 2: Little bit like Billy Crystal. And at one point he's like,
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  Speaker 2: you happy?
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, And in his own voice, that
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  Speaker 1: isn't usually how it happens for me. And I was like, sure.
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  Speaker 1: And then he said something else after, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: There was a little snark in there and it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: somebody I'm familiar with. It was really hard to get sleep.
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  Speaker 1: And I was wondering if that was your experience.
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  Speaker 2: I certainly have had those very clear. And it's more
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  Speaker 2: than audio experience. It's a kind of a buzzing inside
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  Speaker 2: you experience. from the inside out, that's resonating with the
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  Speaker 2: something greater, right? And leaves us unable to sleep. But
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  Speaker 2: I think myself, after all these years, and I'm working
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  Speaker 2: on the 25th edition of The Party of Twelve right now.
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  Speaker 2: So all of this is tying in with what's happened
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  Speaker 2: in 25 years and how far we've come. And now
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  Speaker 2: there's people like you saying, recognizing that path was... really difficult.
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  Speaker 2: And yet, what else are we going to do? We
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  Speaker 2: can talk about the different ways that we experience this
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  Speaker 2: because it's clearly the same.
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  Speaker 1: You've done so many things. However, you can talk about
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  Speaker 1: a bit of your background and what.
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  Speaker 2: Your focus is now. Yeah, I started out as a songwriter.
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  Speaker 2: So I started writing songs when I was 12. And
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  Speaker 2: that process was the actual process for me of channeling
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  Speaker 2: go into the nothing and you listen. I'd listen for
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  Speaker 2: the music and I'd pull out four bars and then
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  Speaker 2: I'd hear some more and I'd pull out four more bars.
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  Speaker 2: And that really was the setup, I think. And plus
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  Speaker 2: it was a way divinely to protect me because where
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  Speaker 2: I was going was mind boggling. They knew it was
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  Speaker 2: going to be a test on my psyche because you
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  Speaker 2: can't be through what I've been through and just go,
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  Speaker 2: oh yeah, I channel Einstein and then it was this
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  Speaker 2: and that. It's like, no, That was a journey. So
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  Speaker 2: that was the first introduction to that. And alongside that,
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  Speaker 2: in high school, my friend's mom was a psychic and
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  Speaker 2: she did channeling. And this is 70 when nobody called
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  Speaker 2: it channeling. And her readings were, they were predictory, but
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  Speaker 2: it was more about self-love. It was more about how
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  Speaker 2: to take care of myself. I'd come from a very
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  Speaker 2: traumatic childhood and had these gifts that I didn't know
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  Speaker 2: what to do with. So that's, really the vein in
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  Speaker 2: which I got started. And then years later, I think
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  Speaker 2: it was 87, I had been getting readings. I was
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  Speaker 2: reading tarot. I was into that headspace. So when I
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  Speaker 2: was typing a letter and my hands became independent, then
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  Speaker 2: I knew what it was, but I was still, what
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  Speaker 2: is this? And so I asked, who are you? Now
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  Speaker 2: I was told by my mentor that I'm Nantana. There wasn't...
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  Speaker 2: Spirits or dead people or anybody, I'm an antenna. The
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  Speaker 2: answer was you can call us sound. I had been
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  Speaker 2: in music since I started teaching myself piano when I
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  Speaker 2: was five. Sound was a safe place. Because sound was
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  Speaker 2: a safe place for me, it was like, okay, I
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  Speaker 2: don't have to really delve too much. What does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: And that's how I started doing readings. I did readings
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  Speaker 2: for five years. I gave a couple readings to friends
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  Speaker 2: and said, I don't know if it helps. passed my
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  Speaker 2: name along, and I became world famous in Minneapolis. In 1993,
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  Speaker 2: I thought, what if I did this in front of
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of people? What would they say to a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of people? And along came Kim and Teresa, best friends,
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  Speaker 2: both in conflict and crisis, and came for readings and
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  Speaker 2: couldn't get enough, asking questions, calling me up. What does
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  Speaker 2: this mean? What does that mean? I was like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. And so in that December of 1993, we
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  Speaker 2: did our very first group. We called ourselves the Psychic Sorority.
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  Speaker 2: We would record the groups and transcribe the tapes and
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  Speaker 2: then see what the sound had to say. Now, when
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  Speaker 2: they asked, the two of them said, who are you?
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  Speaker 2: They said, you can call us angels. So we decided
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  Speaker 2: that we really didn't care if it was the Easter
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  Speaker 2: Bunny because what we were being told was so profound
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  Speaker 2: and changing our lives so rapidly for the better that
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  Speaker 2: we didn't really care. And what the angels said was
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  Speaker 2: they had this theory of if humans would first resolve
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  Speaker 2: conflicts within them in this particular way that they were theorizing,
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  Speaker 2: that the byproduct would be world peace. They weren't having
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  Speaker 2: us pointed that we're going to work for world peace.
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  Speaker 2: It was we're going to work to resolve our inner
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  Speaker 2: conflicts and the byproduct would be world peace and peace.
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  Speaker 2: that our wildest dreams would come true, of course. So
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to be a rock star, and I figured, okay, great.
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  Speaker 2: We're on our way to being Joni Mitchell. But we
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  Speaker 2: rose to the occasion. They needed humans to test out
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  Speaker 2: their theory, and apparently we volunteered and were chosen. And
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  Speaker 2: we did. And we had our first conflict. And we
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  Speaker 2: sat uncomfortably at my dining room table, pointing our fingers
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  Speaker 2: at each other. If you were only this much of
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  Speaker 2: a better person, then I wouldn't have to feel this way.
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  Speaker 2: It reached ahead, and I said, well, we just did
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  Speaker 2: a session called Conflict Resolution. I said, let me go
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  Speaker 2: get the transcript and see what they have to say.
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  Speaker 2: This is what we're supposed to be doing. If you
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  Speaker 2: are involved in a conflict, the root of your part
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  Speaker 2: is within you. Back then, that was so revolutionary. We're
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  Speaker 2: talking about 1994, and we got it. I think we
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  Speaker 2: all started crying at some point, going, oh, my gosh.
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  Speaker 2: So I could come back to the table and say, okay,
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  Speaker 2: here's what I can do better. Kim could do that.
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  Speaker 2: The result was miraculous in its little everyday way. That
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  Speaker 2: night I went to work. I was singing at a
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  Speaker 2: hotel in Minneapolis and there was a waitress there who
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  Speaker 2: never cared for me. And I walked in and she
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  Speaker 2: could not get enough of me. Oh, Barbara, I've got
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  Speaker 2: some Patti Smith cassettes. I'm wondering if you'd like. And
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  Speaker 2: she put money in my tip jar. And I was like, what,
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  Speaker 2: what is going on here? And then the aha moment,
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  Speaker 2: this is what they're talking about. When we resolve the
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  Speaker 2: conflict inside us, it changes what manifests around us. I
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  Speaker 2: could never have sat her down and said, hey, honey,
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  Speaker 2: how come you don't like me? Those moments, those incremental
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  Speaker 2: moments of paying attention and having this sort of guidance
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  Speaker 2: from these angels, whoever they were in my two cohorts,
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  Speaker 2: that was the beginning of what became Conflict Revolution. I
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  Speaker 2: started training that in 1999. and nonprofit that I worked at.
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  Speaker 2: I created a workshop for staff development and it's been
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  Speaker 2: going ever since then. It is as miraculous as they
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  Speaker 2: said it was going to be. So that's my background.
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  Speaker 2: It's a wild story. It's not Typical, but it's true.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm excited in the year 2026 that finally the
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  Speaker 2: world is catching up. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It is not lost on me that we're meeting on 9-11, 2026.
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  Speaker 2: 11 o'clock my time. Yeah. And we just passed 11-11
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  Speaker 2: on 11. Yes. Talking about conflict revolution. Sounds beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: I love the idea, just the origins of it, much
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  Speaker 1: less the results of it, of angels coming through and
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  Speaker 1: having these ideas that we think this is going to help.
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  Speaker 1: Are you willing to try it out for us and
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  Speaker 1: that you engage in it? And then I wonder sometimes
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  Speaker 1: how much people who just don't understand they're channeling something
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  Speaker 1: or channeling something huge, and then it just makes the
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  Speaker 1: world better. I can appreciate that you had the awareness of,
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  Speaker 1: I don't care if it's Easter bunny. Some people feel
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  Speaker 1: strongly that you should know who's coming through exactly. And
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  Speaker 1: it sounds like you share the same ideas that I do.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes I know, sometimes I don't. And I can't have
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  Speaker 1: that be the limitation because if I'm getting messages of
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  Speaker 1: love or healing for myself or somebody else, I don't
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  Speaker 1: really care. And maybe they don't necessarily want to be known.
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  Speaker 1: If they just come across as something that feels safe,
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  Speaker 1: that's good enough.
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  Speaker 2: In my world, there's a collective consciousness. There's the voice
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  Speaker 2: of we, since my first reading at 16. And with
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  Speaker 2: the party, now they're talking about how much they have
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  Speaker 2: become not homogenous. They haven't just become one boundaryless voice.
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  Speaker 2: It's more like they described it as, think how diverse
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  Speaker 2: the world is. Just in species and plants, diversity is
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  Speaker 2: the nature of creation. So their voices are still diverse,
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  Speaker 2: but they've come to this alignment to working for the
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  Speaker 2: greatest good, which then evokes in us, like when we
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  Speaker 2: decide we really want to work for the greatest good,
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  Speaker 2: it evokes in us a kind of an energy and
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  Speaker 2: an attitude that is really unifying. I had this great opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson used to have a segment called Ask Tucker.
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  Speaker 2: I got picked to have the little five-minute segment as Tucker.
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  Speaker 2: And I asked him, do you believe in afterlife? And
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  Speaker 2: do you believe that we can talk to people in afterlife?
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  Speaker 2: He was like, the Bible says be careful of speaking
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  Speaker 2: to the dead and the tarot cards are blah, blah, blah,
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  Speaker 2: kind of the old thing. I said, but Tucker, how
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  Speaker 2: did the early prophets know it was God? And he said, oh,
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  Speaker 2: God spoke to them. I said, I know, but how
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  Speaker 2: did they know? You just said there's all these warnings.
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  Speaker 2: And he was like, I guess it would be you'd
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  Speaker 2: know them by their fruits, the fruits of their labor.
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  Speaker 2: And that's exactly what our conversation was back then when
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  Speaker 2: we were talking about the Easter money. It's like, how
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  Speaker 2: do we know it's not somebody disguising themselves as angels?
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  Speaker 2: And it was because we know them by their fruits.
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  Speaker 2: You can tell. And for you talking about if you're
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  Speaker 2: picking up information that's really of that level of love
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  Speaker 2: and compassion, your body knows it. You know it. You
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  Speaker 2: know a conflicted energy. And then you decide. That's where
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  Speaker 2: some people may want to play with, oh, I can
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  Speaker 2: conquer this negative energy. Or maybe some people are just curious.
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  Speaker 2: It's a learning process. I had some big egotistical mistakes
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  Speaker 2: in the beginning of my career as a psychic.
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  Speaker 1: My most recent dabbling with let me see what I
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  Speaker 1: can do here, was interviewing somebody for the.
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  Speaker 2: Podcast with schizophrenia.
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  Speaker 1: And I wondered, where is the line between being schizophrenic
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  Speaker 1: and being a medium? And we had a beautiful conversation.
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  Speaker 1: I knew a family member of his, so there was
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  Speaker 1: some implied trust from the beginning. It was fascinating, but
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  Speaker 1: I foolishly, I took an entity at face value that
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  Speaker 1: he wanted to be chummy. And it taught me a lot.
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  Speaker 1: about accept beings, people, everybody for who they are and
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  Speaker 1: their behavior and not blindly walk into something that you
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  Speaker 1: consciously know or even logically know is a terrible idea.
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  Speaker 1: But beings can be charming.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. And I don't think that souls, spirits are any
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  Speaker 2: different than human beings. You get human beings who will
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  Speaker 2: do that right to you. And it's our job to
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  Speaker 2: be discerning. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: The more I'm Getting to know the spiritual world lately,
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  Speaker 1: it's just occurring to me more and more how it's
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  Speaker 1: very much like this world.
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  Speaker 2: But yes, that's absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: So I won't even say his name. I'm not even
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  Speaker 1: entertaining anything about all of that. But it was a
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  Speaker 1: great lesson for me and how you can get sucked
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  Speaker 1: into something because you're not using discernment or your logical mind.
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  Speaker 1: And we do know, but we sometimes pretend or we're
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  Speaker 1: trained like when we have childhood trauma or other unresolved
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  Speaker 1: situations or family relationships that are strained. We learn the
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  Speaker 1: skill of pretending, pretending we don't know. I'm a trained
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  Speaker 1: therapist also for my own healing. The more healed I am,
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  Speaker 1: the clearer and cleaner my thinking and discernment actually is.
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  Speaker 1: I think the two really go hand in hand because
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  Speaker 1: if you're unhealthy and you're desperate to please people, you're
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  Speaker 1: going to hang out with an entity for a month
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  Speaker 1: and think he's your best friend and then you can't get.
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  Speaker 2: Rid of him. Yeah, those are the important lessons.
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  Speaker 1: It is very important. I can appreciate for you that
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  Speaker 1: at 12, you had this loving energy come into you
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  Speaker 1: and say, hey, we're the safest thing you've got in
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  Speaker 1: your life. You can be with us and you knew
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  Speaker 1: it and you stayed on that track. You have had
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  Speaker 1: a fascinating career with channeling and you mentioned about the party.
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  Speaker 1: So for our listeners, give an intro to the party
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  Speaker 1: of 12.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. So Kim and Teresa and I published our first book,
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  Speaker 2: Diaries of a Psychic Sorority, Talking with the Angels. I
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  Speaker 2: think it was the 90s. And a year later, my
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  Speaker 2: literary agent got a call from a tabloid in London,
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  Speaker 2: a metaphysical tabloid. I believe it was called The Sun.
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  Speaker 2: And they were looking for an interview with Princess Di
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  Speaker 2: on the one-year anniversary, Beyond the Grave. Because I was
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  Speaker 2: learning that people who had passed on would appear to
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  Speaker 2: me and ask me to get a message to their
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  Speaker 2: living children, which then it worked out, again, not me
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  Speaker 2: doing it. Suddenly I'm in front of your living children.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know what that meant, but I thought
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  Speaker 2: about it. I thought I could just see what happens
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  Speaker 2: if I imagine going to her and asking. And so
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  Speaker 2: I channeled, and I realized the other day, I just,
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  Speaker 2: I channeled the questions as well as the answers and
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  Speaker 2: typed it, then printed it out and went to the
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  Speaker 2: beach and read it and wept. It was so profound
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  Speaker 2: and deep. You could hear her voice and felt like
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  Speaker 2: she was sitting beside me. And I said, the point was,
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  Speaker 2: if this, which was all about Conflict revolution, basically world
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  Speaker 2: peace in her life. But if everybody who put flowers
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  Speaker 2: in front of the palace would do this work, we'd
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  Speaker 2: have world peace in a day. She was a big
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  Speaker 2: piece in real life. And I said, this is so
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  Speaker 2: brilliant because if it gets into a paper with 40
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  Speaker 2: million people who read it, how many of those people
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  Speaker 2: will be influenced to take this shift? It was brilliant.
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  Speaker 2: And she said, yes, but we are not in charge.
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  Speaker 2: I said, thank God. because I couldn't figure this out.
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  Speaker 2: So they flew me to New York and they interviewed
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  Speaker 2: me for five hours and they didn't want it because
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  Speaker 2: there wasn't a single word about Camilla and Charles in it,
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  Speaker 2: which is not what Princess Di would ever do. But
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  Speaker 2: my agent and I, maybe there's more famous dead people
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  Speaker 2: who want to speak. So we made this big list
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  Speaker 2: and I'd imagine going to them and Gandhi, no, I
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  Speaker 2: said it all in life, and Mother Teresa was tired,
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  Speaker 2: and they all had an answer until the second one
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  Speaker 2: was Nicole Brown Simpson. O.J. just the year before had
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  Speaker 2: been let off the hook. It's like what you were
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  Speaker 2: saying about you start to realize that it's very much
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  Speaker 2: like real life, afterlife. It wasn't that she just went
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  Speaker 2: into afterlife, and she was really distressed. And by the
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  Speaker 2: time we got to John F. Kennedy... He said, this
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: wasn't your idea. It's not your idea. We are, in fact,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: this party of 12 gathered in Afterlife, come to help
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: you with the world peace, and we'll tell you who's
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: coming up. Because we didn't have Einstein on the list.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: I was like, why not? So when I did Einstein,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: I spoke. And when I started that channel, I realized
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: this is the voice of all my readings. This is
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: the voice of sound. Yeah, exactly. That look on your face.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: That's how I was like, what are you telling me?
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: That I'm not an antenna. That they weren't angels. That
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: it was you? We go on and do 12 interviews
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: with amazing people I didn't know anything about. And I still,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: though you were talking earlier about feeling reticent about coming
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: out of the closet And that's how I felt. Wait
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: a minute. You're telling me there's these 12 famous dead
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: people and they picked me to be their steno. It
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: took me about three years to quit calling them angels.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: It was when I published the book finally in June
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: of 2001. Apparently they were waiting for JFK Jr., who
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: arrived as the honored 13th, to introduce the party and
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: introduce how they all came together. And that was a
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: story I'd never heard either. How did you guys come together?
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: So we published on June 2001, and then when 9-11 happened,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: I figured I better come out of the closet myself,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: because the world needs this. It just needs it, and
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: this is not a time to be reticent about this.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: So that's how I got introduced to Einstein. And then
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: in 2005 was the 100 year anniversary of E equals
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: MC squared. And I said, hey, let's do a little
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: book with Einstein. Let's see what he has to say.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: I had no idea. Let's just do it. And he
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: came out with this mind bending moment in my life
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: of a unified field theory, which is something he did
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: not do as a scientist in real life. He sort
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: of poo-pooed the quantum theories in real life. It had
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: a map of human consciousness and it defined compassion as
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: the fifth fundamental force of the universe. The creative intelligence
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: that uses the other four fundamental forces to impel the
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: creation of the physical world and that the source of
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: everything is in the center of the earth and it
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: operates like a black hole. I continue to take the
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: stenography of what he was saying. But I said to him,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I have to stand up in front of scientists and
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: tell them that the source of everything is a black
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: hole inside. Am I going to get laughed off the stage?
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Is this even possible? He said, yes, take my word
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: for it. But I remained faithful and I published that
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: book and it got me invited all over the world
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: to teach and train and channel Einstein. And the pièce
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: de résistance of the story for me is last summer, 25.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: I went to Barcelona and did a presentation at the
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Science of Consciousness Conference, a 30-some-year-old conference put on by
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: the University of Arizona Tucson Astrophysicist Department. They've been looking
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: for the nature of consciousness for 30 years. They started
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: out like all the left-brain scientists, and as the years passed,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: you needed the psychologists, you needed the roomie poets, you
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: needed the meditators. I'm presenting. The room is packed full.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: And I say, in 2005, I told him, I got
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: to stand up in front of the scientists and say this.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: And three of them, we knew it. We knew it
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: was a black hole. And then I think I retired
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: in that moment. You know what? That part of my
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: mission is done. Now I know. And it was almost
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: to the day, one day short of the 70th anniversary
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: of Einstein's last manifesto being read. in London on July 9th, 1955,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: where he implores the world leaders to resolve their conflicts
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: peacefully because no one will survive World War III. So
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: how does that happen? That was in my mind going
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: through as they fist pump him like, how does it happen?
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: And here we are. Since then, I have been on
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: an international peace tour. And part of that is for
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: the rest of my life, because what else am I
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: going to do? In 2023, when I started the tour
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: 2024 onward, there's so many people like yourself, so many podcasters,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: so many young people who get it and have conversations
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: and have their own practices and are exploring all of
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: these things that back in when I was doing the
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: first workshop in 1999, it was like pulling teeth to
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: get anybody to think that emotion might have a root
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: cause of a physical ailment. Now it's, oh my gosh,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: there's charts and graphs and healers. And so it's very exciting.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: It sounds amazing. I was going to ask you what
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: pushed you over the edge of outing yourself about channeling Einstein.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: And it sounds like some of it was timing. 9-11.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I was wondering, I was doing some self-reflection just last
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: night about the difference in my mediumship. And I think
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I had to go from suspended disbelief.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: And now I'm in belief. I think that skepticism is
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: very important. I have questions.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I'm a trained therapist. I live with a very smart
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: man who he's not cynical about mediumship, but he He
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: has his own beliefs about stuff. And there are times
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: when he somewhat jokingly, not so jokingly, is like, do
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: you ever think about getting yourself checked? There's a fine
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: line between auditory hallucinations and clairaudience. Feeling the tone of
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: things being positive. And this is for everybody listening who
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: questions themselves. Feeling the tone of the information that comes in.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: My impression from Scott, the young man who did the
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Am I Crazy or Connected series with me, There is
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: a tone to the information that comes to him, and
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: it's not the tone of what we're talking about. That
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: is its own distinction.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: And if we reflect that off of mediumship and talk
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: about what we're learning in this new party that's coming
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: out now, headed up by Jung, inside ourselves, there's 12 archetypes.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: There's 12 seats at the table, each representing one of
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: the archetypes in the dodecahedron of power structure. We struggle with,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: forget the outside voices, how much of those voices are
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: part of this natural 12-piece faceted psychological structure that we
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: really have that nobody really has totally dug into. Jung did,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: but After that, I think that's fascinating. I think the reflection,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: whatever's going on around us, reflected back into us is
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: such a valuable roadmap.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Just the concept of somebody like Jung still doing his work,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: that's just so freaking cool to me to understand that.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I want to go back to your original party of 12,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: because when I saw that list, I didn't notice Adolf
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Hitler's name at first.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: And then later, I was like, wait, what?
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Have the question to you when you recognized that who
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: you were connecting with was somebody that all of us
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: would have such a strong reaction to. What that was
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: like and how did you let go of your own
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: feeling or knowledge about what he did in life to
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: be able to understand how to connect with him as
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: a soul who would have evolved enough to want to
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: be part of the party of 12?
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: By the time I got there to facing Adolf Hitler,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: I had so much intense training, especially surrounded by the
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: psychic sorority. There's a reason there were three of us
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: because then my ego couldn't get off the rails. And
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: also because I'm really curious. And I think if Adolf
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Hitler was alive and sitting in a jail cell, I
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: would not hesitate at all if I had the opportunity
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: to go and interview him without a fear that He
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: was somehow going to pollute me into becoming evil, which
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I couldn't do without my consent. After the interview, during
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: the interview, I began to realize why he was there.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: And when we asked him, why should we talk to you,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: he had a couple of really good answers. And one
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: was because all of those people who think they're marching
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: in the streets under my name as fascists, as haters,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: as greedy people, People, you don't escape hell. You don't
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: go to it. It becomes you. So he wasn't in hell,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: but it was exuding out of him from all of
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: the karma, all of the decisions, everything that he did.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: And yet, the bigger picture was that he too had
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: a covenant. He had agreements. The people who died in
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: the Holocaust, they had agreements. There was a bigger plan,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: which doesn't separate the evil that happened on the planet.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: And that's the important part is having those two conversations.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: And now what's so interesting is that in 1998, it
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: was so controversial. Even Kim and Teresa were like, you
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: know what? We didn't sign up for Hitler. Neither.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: You have officially crossed the line, Barbara.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: I did. And then we had a whole shift in
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: our work and I went towards the party. But after
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: all of these years... As things have gotten worse in
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: the world and you get called a fascist or a
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: white supremacist or an anti-Semitic, you get called all these
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: things that people do to divert. You get accused of
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: being all these things. He's a Hitler. He's a Hitler.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: He's a Hitler. His name has come back out again
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: in quite a way. And in some ways, I think
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: it's really... great in that we can start to bring
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: up this conversation of what does it mean to be evil?
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: What do we do when we are confronted with evil? Now,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: my own simple answer is that you just don't be evil.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: That's really all you can do. There's going to be
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: demons and evil around you, just like Jesus, when he
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: kind of just put the devil behind him because he
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: didn't have any power over him. He didn't respect me.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: People aren't going to respect you. People are going to
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: hurt you. What are you going to do to respect yourself?
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: How are you going to become that change? Rather than
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: focusing on the ones who are victimizing us, let's take
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: our power back and see how we can uncreate them.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Because if they're there, we're creating them. And that's good
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: news because then we can uncreate them by going inside,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: finding the archetype of who they are within us, handling
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: them there. And then naturally things change in a different
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: way than when we try going at them in the
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: arena and where it's being created.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: It's almost magical in how you're saying it, but there's
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of personal growth that points to when we
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: clear ourselves of things, we are unflappable in certain situations
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: that would have been triggering before. I would be interested
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: in your opinion. is that I've come across people that
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I did a reading with somebody who had a very,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: very abusive, mentally ill mother. That was a strange experience,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: but she didn't give me a heads up about that,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: which I didn't appreciate after, because I would want to
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: know so I could protect the client if that kind
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: of thing came up. For people who have somebody who
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: was abusive to them, who's now on the other side,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I've met somebody who was afraid to die because she
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to be anywhere near the father that had
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: abused her so badly. You connected with Hitler. So how
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: would you suggest they navigate something about that for themselves?
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I come from that background. My father was a PDF.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: And that was the trauma that I was born into
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: and subjected to that caused my fracturing. I don't know
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: what PDF stands for.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah. So I just don't like to say it
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: because I don't know what happens on YouTube. I gotcha.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: So yes, I have that same experience. And what I
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: had to do in life before he was dead, I
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: didn't want him in my life, but I also didn't
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: want to be resentful of him because that was the attachment.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: That's what I used to stay hooked into that dysfunctional thing.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: And so with the help of the angels and everything,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: they told us this very simple thing about if you're
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: triggered by someone emotionally, there's something inside, the conflict begins
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: within you. So there's something inside there that you're a
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: pattern that you hear your father's voice. Not that he
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: didn't do those things, but if I'm still triggered by it,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: there's something in me that is operating independent of him
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: that was probably patterned from those experiences. patterns within us.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: And that I had to get to the bottom of
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: that within me was where was that a reflection of
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: how I was not treating myself well, how I was
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: maybe abusing myself, how some part of me was psychopathic,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: quote unquote. And I did a lot of work, especially
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: I'd been sexually assaulted at one point. And the guy
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: is a psychopath. And so I had to stand in
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: front of the mirror and go, where am I a psychopath?
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Where am I not keeping myself safe? and purposely hurting myself.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Knowing that he was a psychopath and thinking that you
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: can go sit next to him and saying to myself,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: the world's a better place if I'm here to protect
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: them from this psychopath. No, because that put me right
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: in harm's way. But if I resist it, like you're
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: talking about with her, where, no, I can't be near,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: then it persists and you remain attached. So as you
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: take this magical thinking and you turn it around inside,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: you put them on a far circle. It's like you're
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: making the decision, and I did with my father. I
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: even wrote him a letter and said, unless you're able
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: to cop to this, you have to be out there
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: on a far circle. I love you. Thanks for everything
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: in the bigger picture, but you don't get to be
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: inside my inner circle. Now, That is nearly impossible for
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: so many people to stand up and just say, you
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: know what? No, I'm saying no. I did that for
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: my whole life with my father and came to a place.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: My mother was always very concerned. She said, aren't you
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: going to present that you didn't connect with him before
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: he dies? It's like, no, I don't think so. I
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: feel pretty good. I feel like I love him and
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: I appreciate everything I got from him. I don't think
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: I would have been talking to Einstein had I not
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: been in that experience, frankly. The dissociation. But no, he
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: doesn't get to meet my life. So two months before
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: he died, he called. And I hadn't talked to him
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: in years. And I picked it up. The first thing
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: he said was, I bought that Einstein book you wrote.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: And I don't understand it all, but I think you
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: are on to something. We had a fun, loving conversation.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: And he started calling back and I didn't answer. When
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: he died, my mom said, okay, do you regret it?
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: I was like, I don't. Our souls continue on in afterlife,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: working and evolving and learning. And the first thing that
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: he did on the other side was go, oh, I
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: get it. And that was the start of another leg
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: of the healing. It's hard because you don't want to
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: blame the victim. It's your fault. No, this is an experiment.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: to see if their theory works, that if we first
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: resolve it here, let's try it. We've got nothing to lose.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: But the next piece is about feeling and breathing emotion.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Because she, like me, had abscessed emotions packed into my
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: body that never got to be felt through all that
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: time while you're being abused by your father. So love you,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: but I'm not safe. What did that pattern do for
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: my life? So breathing, the new way of processing emotion
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: is not about analyzing. It's about being with it in
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: present moment. It's a wave. It's going to come up.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: You're releasing the abscess that's blocking the peaceful resolution to things.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: When I finally took it all on, I cried for
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: about a year and a half. But sometimes you get
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: into a release and... lasts me 24 hours. I'm crying,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: but I'm not beating myself up. I'm going to feel
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: and breathe this as long as I need to. And
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: it always subsides. It's a wave. And then we loosen
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: the intellectual projection, like that projection that she wants to
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: really blame her father. She stared and it's because of him.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: You loosen that and you start to release some of
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: the fear And then you have a little bit clearer
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: thinking where you can go, oh, all right. Okay. What
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: is this really about? And how can I make myself
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: feel safer? How can I self-care? How can I self-love?
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Which is ultimately, I think, the thing we miss.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: You're a great sharer of information. So thank you for
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: all of that. Thank you for sharing that. That's a
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: very personal story. And I appreciate your vulnerability with that.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: when your mother's saying, aren't you going to regret it
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: when he passes away? I'm getting some confirmation chills on this.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: And I'm laughing because to say that to a medium
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: is just funny to me because your relationship will only
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: get better when that happens. I can appreciate the story.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: My sister passed almost exactly two years ago. I have
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: never had a better relationship with my sister. I was
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: just crying yesterday, but she did something and it just
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: really touched my heart and felt like such love. I
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: have so much hope for the relationships that we have
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: with people who've crossed over, we get to apologize to
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: each other, helping people resolve those kinds of relationships with
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: those that have crossed. They have to heal first. My
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: sister's told me that she fast-tracked her own healing process
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: because she wanted to engage with the work that I'm
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: doing and she has, as well as improving our relationship.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: And now she even helps me cook. She was a
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: much better cook. She would have been happy to tell
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: you that when she was here. Now I'm like, I
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: don't know what to make. I can't even make it
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: taste good. Then she'll work with me on adding herbs
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: and spices and it's very sweet. People do heal and
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: come to a different place. My friend's mom, I think
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: she's been crossed over for 15 years and she finally
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: doesn't have that edge any longer that she had with
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: my friend. I've talked to people who crossed two weeks
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: ago and they're completely different. One woman, it had been
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: a couple of days. We can have this quantum leap
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: into becoming more of who our soul's version really is
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: versus how we've lived for years, breaking out of being miserable. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You are such a wealth of information. What are you
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  Speaker 1: most excited about now? You come across as feeling joyful
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  Speaker 1: about your life's work.
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  Speaker 2: In 2023, I decided to go on my world peace
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  Speaker 2: tour for the rest of my life. It started out
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: with a big bang. I traveled for three months across
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: the UK and into Belgium and France and Oslo and
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: came back here. When I spoke at the conference last summer,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: it was like I said, a retirement experience. This is
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: the 25th anniversary of the publishing of Party of 12,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: the first Party of 12. And I got the call
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  Speaker 2: to publish a 25th anniversary edition with updates. So that
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  Speaker 2: is what I'm working on now. I hope to get
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  Speaker 2: it out this year. And in those updates, they talk
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: about the divine timing of the original party, that they
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: wanted that to be published right before 9-11, as close
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  Speaker 2: as possible. Wow. This new edition is buoyed by this date,
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  Speaker 2: September 11th. This is the day that changed But honestly,
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  Speaker 2: I'm very much excited about the fact that, and this
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  Speaker 2: is personal, that I've reached a point where I don't
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of attachment to what's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: I've reached a point of such deep contentment and satisfaction
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  Speaker 2: and truth in my own life that, for example, I
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  Speaker 2: have a decision coming up in the fall. I live
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  Speaker 2: on this little island in Lake Superior. And I often
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: leave in the winter and run out my house. And
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: I have a couple people interested in this there, or
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: should I stay and what? And when I get in
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  Speaker 2: the middle of the night and I start to worry
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  Speaker 2: and I think, no, I don't care. Whatever God is
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  Speaker 2: going to bring me, I am going to rejoice in.
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  Speaker 2: It's not being a rock star. It's not being wildly
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  Speaker 2: wealthy or internationally famous, but it's a real deal. It's
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  Speaker 2: us being able to just every day wake up and
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: have such gratitude and joy and hope, which I do.
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  Speaker 2: It's sort of self-feeding. The more that I can get
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: through a wave of anxiety about the future by taking
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: control of my intellect and feeling and breathing and settling
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: back into gratitude. I just have such hope because if
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: I can do it, I think anybody can. I came
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  Speaker 2: from a terrible background. I was an addict and rageaholic.
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  Speaker 2: If I can do it, then anybody can do it.
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  Speaker 2: And the world is ready. People are ready. They want
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: to know. They're willing to do the work themselves. And
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: that's what excites me.
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  Speaker 1: And what a beautiful thing. The word glorious is coming
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  Speaker 1: to me, like the idea of knowing the rest of
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  Speaker 1: my life, this is my thing, and to be content
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  Speaker 1: with that.
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  Speaker 2: After 40-some years and going through so much anguish of
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  Speaker 2: my psyche, like having it take three years to realize
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  Speaker 2: that Einstein was with me, if I had an issue
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: with health, it would be mental health that I've struggled with.
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  Speaker 2: Is this real? Is this going on? What happened? to
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: be in this place of utter peace and contentment. So
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: much hope for the world. You've also really done the work.
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  Speaker 1: It channeled through you what to do and how to
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  Speaker 1: do it, but you still had to choose to do it.
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  Speaker 2: And engage in it. That's the operative thing that they
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: said in the 25th anniversary update. I asked, what did
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: you learn? We learned, A, that our theory works, and B,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: that you can lead a horse to water. We're constantly
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: trying to come up with ways to inspire you because
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: you have to be the one to choose to make
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  Speaker 2: the decision, to revolve your focus, to feel and breathe.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Nobody can do that for them.
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  Speaker 1: So you've written books, working on the 25th anniversary edition
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: of Party of Twelve. What other offerings or services or
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: legacy pieces have you left for people to learn from?
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Psychic Sorority Library are seven books that I've written all
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: on documenting this and documenting Einstein and the party and such.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Something you might be interested in. I wrote a book
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: called Guerrilla Publishing, how to publish, how to write, finish,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: and publish your own book in your own small business
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: for the most maximum profit that you can get. I
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: learned that over I think I have 11 books that
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I've published since we published Diaries of a Psychic Sorority.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I became something of a self-publishing font of wisdom. I
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: wrote that book, Gorilla Publishing. I also did some kind
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: of socially conscious books. I did a book called Unintimidated
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Wisconsin Sings Truth to Power, which was a documentary nonfiction
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: book about a singing protest in Wisconsin that took place.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Back in 2011-12, I wrote a book called Steal This Book,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Not My Vote, because I was a whistleblower at the
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: 2011 Wisconsin Supreme Court election. The Democrat candidate won, and
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: two days later they found 14,000 votes in the closet.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: So I was at the recount, and then I saw
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: the fraud, and then I blew the whistle and sent
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: to the Department of Justice and wrote this book. I
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: did a book called Madeline Island Artist Colony because I
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: live in a place that's so special and has so
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: much artistry. And it really is an artist colony that
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: I featured. It's more of a photography book. Publishing all
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: of this has opened doors for me. And then I
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: help people publish their books. On my website, barbarawith.com, I've
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: got meditations, masterclasses. if they want to dig into the
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Einstein material, a down and dirty conflict revolution course that
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: I teach video-wise, readings, all kinds of stuff. So yeah,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: I got a pretty broad offering. You do. I'll put
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: the information in the show notes. Great. What would you
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: like to leave people with today? I always like to
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: assure people that when we're doing our personal work, oftentimes
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: laborious and painful. Yeah. I don't want us to lose
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  Speaker 2: sight that this is the work of world peace. It's
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: a byproduct, but we cannot get there unless we all
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: do this minutia of mastering our own domain and coming
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: to align to compassion ourselves. And one by one, is
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: how we're going to do it. It may seem like
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: we should fix, we should replace the leaders. None of
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: that's going to work until we do our own work.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: So don't be disheartened. It's always a wave. As my
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: mother used to say, this too will pass. And each
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: step will bring us to a brighter place eventually.
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  Speaker 1: I love that because I am one of the voters
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: who thinks, what does my vote matter? But what you're describing,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: I can feel the inspiration. That's actually a tangible task
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I can take on. And I will actually feel the difference.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: That's a beautiful piece of wisdom to share.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: I could talk to you and listen to you and
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: ask you questions for a few more hours, but I'll
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: respect your time. I would love for you to come back.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: It has been an honor and a joy talking to you.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: And I'm really feeling that.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: I really mean that.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here with me today.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Thank you on behalf of our listeners for sharing the
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: good work that you've always done and that you continue doing.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: It is a pleasure meeting you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Noelle. Bye-bye.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being with us today. If
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: you'd like support as you continue your own exploring, You
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: can find information about my classes, readings, and other offerings
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: at connectingwithnoelle.com. If today's conversation made you think of someone,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I'd love it if you would share this with them.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Take good care, and I look forward to being with
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: you again soon.