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The Bolt Report | 29 June · The Bolt Report

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Speaker 1: It's the reformed. Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 2: Two new poles Today show One Nation just got whacked
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Speaker 2: is now back behind labor just after a week of
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson getting smashes a racist, the fascist, a North
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Speaker 2: Korean dictator? Would you believe for saying no to multiculturalism?
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Speaker 2: I mean, the hysteria has just been incredible. So has
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Speaker 2: the ignorance like this from an ABC reporter attacking Hanson
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Speaker 2: last week in your monoculture?
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Speaker 3: Can people speak a different language at home?
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Speaker 2: So of course, if journists really were going around saying
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Speaker 2: Hansen was going to stop you eating buttered chicken or
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Speaker 2: a good curry laxa or even a chicken parmegiana, no
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Speaker 2: wonder Hans's One Nation party got small, especially when Hansen
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Speaker 2: is not good at all and explaining what she really
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Speaker 2: did mean and was silly enough to say, was monoculturalism
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Speaker 2: a word that was just going to be.
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Speaker 1: A lightning rod.
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Speaker 2: Now the real story of these polls is actually not
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Speaker 2: One Nation. It's the liberals. I mean, they look cooked,
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Speaker 2: fighting just for their existence. I shouldn't laugh. It's a tragedy,
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Speaker 2: and certainly Angus Taylor looks finished. But it might have
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Speaker 2: said that for some months now. But I'll get on
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Speaker 2: to all that in a minute. For now, I want
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Speaker 2: to bring you three fresh examples of the multi culturalism
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Speaker 2: that this wicked paul In Hanson threatens to destroy, Just
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Speaker 2: so that you know what a menace she is. Just say,
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Speaker 2: you know why so many people are protesting. You know,
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Speaker 2: they're telling you to shut up, wanting you to shut up.
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Speaker 2: Now be clear, of course, that multiculturalism, it's got nothing
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Speaker 2: to do with eating food. It's sexually a policy to
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Speaker 2: celebrate every culture but her own, with government support for
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Speaker 2: those other cultures the help keep us apart, not just
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Speaker 2: talking the cultures and margaret groups, of course, but also
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Speaker 2: that of people identifying as aboriginal. So to these examples.
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Speaker 2: For instance, I read on Saturday, the Victoria has a
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Speaker 2: new midwife program for expectant parents extra midwife attention just
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Speaker 2: because the parents are Aboriginal, and the ABC interviewed this
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Speaker 2: lucky couple forgetting this extra help, even though quite strange,
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Speaker 2: the mother you see is actually not Aboriginal at all,
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Speaker 2: but the couple qualify because her husband, Ollie, who is
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Speaker 2: a university graduate, does identify as Aboriginal and thus apparently
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Speaker 2: needs this extra Aboriginal only midwife help.
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Speaker 1: Paid for of course by you, and only said it
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Speaker 1: was great.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's very grateful because the midwives allowed him
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Speaker 2: to put some traditional tonic he'd brought along onto the
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Speaker 2: tongue of his newborn daughter, even though he said that
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Speaker 2: to the staff it was and I quote an unknown substance.
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Speaker 1: What are they doing there?
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Speaker 2: But isn't multiculturalism grand? Here is another example of it,
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Speaker 2: this time from the New South Wales Police, which has
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Speaker 2: issued its list of most wanted. See if you detect
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Speaker 2: the patterns. I read it out in order, Anthony Pele, Bashirudin,
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Speaker 2: Mohammad Brady Hamilton, Danie Toolongji hakkan Ayek Hussein Joha, Hussein Zoon,
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Speaker 2: James Dalamongas, John Ray, Bassari, Maho E Labbed, Mohammad Masud,
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Speaker 2: Rabbi balt Rafat Alamedin, Zoran Kissa Khanin.
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Speaker 1: Do you ever.
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Speaker 2: In brackets, do you ever get the idea that some
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Speaker 2: so called communities in Australia may be doing more than
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Speaker 2: their fair share to end up on the New South
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Speaker 2: Wales Police list of most wanted persons, That maybe they're
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Speaker 2: treating Australia as a hotel and not a home, and
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Speaker 2: that we're encouraging it, even paying their rent. Another example,
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Speaker 2: this time from Friday in Melbourne and Sydney. She hate
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Speaker 2: Muslims celebrated there are sure the most religious day in
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Speaker 2: the Shiat calendar, by praying and marching in very public
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Speaker 2: areas and in main streets in Melbourne, ending up at
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Speaker 2: Parliament House, and there was lots of shouting market Now,
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Speaker 2: like I said, multiculturalism is a policy that insists the
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Speaker 2: governments celebrate and support every culture. So we must suppress
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Speaker 2: any ungenerous feeling that such a shouty religious procession on
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Speaker 2: such a very public route is actually confronting. I mean,
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Speaker 2: even if you just look at the esthetics alone, this
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Speaker 2: is not the laid back country we had and many
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Speaker 2: still want.
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Speaker 1: Now. Of course, some.
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Speaker 2: People happy to largely have that old Anglo culture washed away,
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Speaker 2: you know, let one hundred flowers bloom and all that
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Speaker 2: kind of stuff. But anyone thinking that becoming a collection
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Speaker 2: of tribes instead.
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Speaker 1: Is going to be harmless, and that.
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Speaker 2: Paul Enhands and supporters they're just going to melt away
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Speaker 2: like an ice cream and Bondai Beach is kidding themselves.
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Speaker 2: Remember you know that multicultural is actually relatively new. It's
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Speaker 2: a theory that in the Australia has been around for
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Speaker 2: only fifty odd years. The oven Eezy government's Home Affairs
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Speaker 2: Department actually both still on the website that it was
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Speaker 2: created by GoF Whitlam's Labor government in nineteen seventy three,
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Speaker 2: when Immigration mes Al Grasby outlined a policy to stop
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Speaker 2: encouraging migrants to assimilate to our Anglo culture. Can't have that,
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Speaker 2: and instead support what he called micro communities. Micro communities
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Speaker 2: so you know, different ethnic communities all sharing the same territory,
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Speaker 2: like the ones you just saw and we saw last week.
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Speaker 2: What a huge difference this policy which just grew and
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Speaker 2: grew almost unchallenged, at least in the elites. How it's
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Speaker 2: now made even the way our National War Memorial honor
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Speaker 2: our past, it's changed it, or how it doesn't honor it.
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Speaker 2: The War Memorial held an official opening of its new
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Speaker 2: Ansac Hall last week, which started without even a national anthem,
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Speaker 2: but yes, with a very long welcome to country from
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Speaker 2: an official identifying as Aboriginal who happens to be the
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Speaker 2: son of these parents who also identified as Aboriginal, and
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Speaker 2: that supposedly gave him. The right to give a welcome
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Speaker 2: to country to relatives of men who died for this
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Speaker 2: country is if they were strangers to the land for
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Speaker 2: which they gave their lives.
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Speaker 4: Camberry is part of the Manaara region which was and
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Speaker 4: still is the traditional meeting place.
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Speaker 2: For the nonimal people. How insulting, and I thought, for interest,
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Speaker 2: how would this contrast with the way the war Memorial
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Speaker 2: opening in nineteen forty one was celebrated before multiculturalism. I
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Speaker 2: looked it up, you can see it online. Actually started
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Speaker 2: then with the national anthem. Of course, this is from
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Speaker 2: a recording of that day. Now that ceremony did not
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Speaker 2: divide the dead and the mourners by their race. It
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Speaker 2: instead included a prayer to protect Australia from exactly that division.
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Speaker 1: We now see they are radio from back them which
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Speaker 1: may divide her and which may ruin her.
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Speaker 2: That I have to say is very much now a
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Speaker 2: prayer for the Australia today. But how many people empowered
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Speaker 2: dare answer it? But back to today's polls. The main
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Speaker 2: story that I guess in politics at least and the
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Speaker 2: real story here is not the check to the rise
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Speaker 2: and rise and rise of one nation it's the total
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Speaker 2: collapse of the coalition may be fatal. The Redbridge Pole
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Speaker 2: still shows one nation. Well, it's still just one point
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Speaker 2: behind Labor, which is still amazing on twenty nine percent.
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Speaker 2: But the Coalition down to eighteen percent. And for the
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Speaker 2: Coalition News poll is even more catastrophic. The Coalition now
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Speaker 2: down to a record low.
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Speaker 1: Of seventeen percent.
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Speaker 2: Seventeen and that under a leader Angus Taylor, who mean
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Speaker 2: in the media still praises doing a good professional job
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Speaker 2: with his MPs that is still seeming in denial, at
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Speaker 2: least from what they say publicly.
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Speaker 1: Angus tales done a good job. He's got the support
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Speaker 1: of the party.
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Speaker 4: There was no question in the mind of the public
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Speaker 4: as to whether or not we would oppose those taxes.
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Speaker 4: And that represents a very big change on the previous leader.
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Speaker 5: We needed to get our act together, and I think
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Speaker 5: we're on the you know, I can feel that we're
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Speaker 5: on the rise.
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Speaker 2: I think it is a complete distraction.
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Speaker 6: We need to make sure that we're ending the corruption,
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Speaker 6: we're stopping inflation.
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Speaker 7: What we need is a government that is focused on
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Speaker 7: the blue liberal horizon of hope.
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Speaker 2: The blue liberal horizon of hope. Well, another Liberal Frontbenture
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Speaker 2: also thought that some rebranding, better marketing that might make
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Speaker 2: the difference.
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Speaker 8: I've taken a bit of inspiration from Sky News this
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Speaker 8: morning with your rebrand to News twenty four. I think
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Speaker 8: it's time. I'm putting myself out in a limit a
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Speaker 8: little bit. I think it's time for the Liberal Party
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Speaker 8: to rebrand itself. Some people think that we're stuck in
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Speaker 8: the past and our policies need to resonate with the
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Speaker 8: Australia of today and the future. So I think it'd
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Speaker 8: be really good time for us to revisit our values,
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Speaker 8: what we stand for, and the way we project ourselves.
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Speaker 9: It's just so bad that is just so desperate and
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Speaker 9: in denial, and I have to say, you know, look,
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Speaker 9: if you are a Liberal front bencher and you're still
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Speaker 9: asking after four years in opposition, after two brutal election defeats, oh,
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Speaker 9: we must figure it out our values.
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Speaker 1: Maybe some rebranding would help.
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Speaker 2: If that's if you're still wondering about all that and
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Speaker 2: thinking rebranding might help, why on earth did you join
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Speaker 2: the Liberal.
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Speaker 1: Party in the first place. Was it for the sandwiches?
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Speaker 2: I mean, no wonder the Prime Minister mocked a Liberal
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Speaker 2: party so lacking in purpose or passion.
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Speaker 10: I don't even know if their party should be continued
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Speaker 10: in the next way.
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Speaker 1: I know even wonder if the Liberals are salgible.
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Speaker 2: I mean Angus Taylor for all the fact, you know,
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Speaker 2: I'm told his very smarted economics and he's a nice guy,
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Speaker 2: but he doesn't seem to be able to connect to voters.
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Speaker 2: And the only likely replacement this is very bad news
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Speaker 2: for the Liberals is Andrew Hasty, the former SAS captain,
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Speaker 2: who I have to say, like him as I do,
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Speaker 2: is missing in a lot of debates and distracted by
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Speaker 2: having to fight to save a seat from a one
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Speaker 2: nation challenge, which has been fed, of course by a
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Speaker 2: vicious and sinister campaign to punish Hasty for giving evidence
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Speaker 2: against alleged Walker and ben Robert Smith. And by the way,
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Speaker 2: I have to say, as an aside, that this campaign
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Speaker 2: is sinister because in my opinion, it's designed to not
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Speaker 2: just destroy Hasty, but also to scare off any other
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Speaker 2: soldiers thinking of testifying against Robert Smith. So you have
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Speaker 2: a Liberal party with no real leader, no real purpose,
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Speaker 2: no real connection. It's divided, and it's got few people
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Speaker 2: of talent. She just have to ask how on earth
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Speaker 2: would the Liberals survive? Joining me is Michael Amby, former
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Speaker 2: Federal Labor politician and then chairman of the Joint Standing
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Speaker 2: Committee on Foreign Affairs, and Steve Conry, former Labor senator
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Speaker 2: and Cabinet minister.
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Speaker 1: Stephen put Aside.
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Speaker 2: I know you'd like to go in hard, you know,
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Speaker 2: left right coming, but really being as fair as you can,
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Speaker 2: have you ever seen the Liberals fallen so low?
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Speaker 11: Look first before I jumped to that, and I just
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Speaker 11: endorse your comments there about Andrew Hasty. I think there's
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Speaker 11: a real challenge to the rule of law that's emerging
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Speaker 11: in this particular case. As I just wanted to endorse
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Speaker 11: your comments onto your rank. You the question around the
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Speaker 11: state of the Liberal Party and the state of the
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Speaker 11: Liberal Party. Look, I've been, like Michael, unlikely enough to
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Speaker 11: live through very dark times in the Labor Party where
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Speaker 11: people have questioned whether we can continue to exist. We've
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Speaker 11: had the Greens on the left surgeon nothing like what
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Speaker 11: Paul en Hanson achieved.
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Speaker 1: We've had the party divided over.
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Speaker 11: Significant issues, and at times we've been described as completely unelectable.
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Speaker 11: So at times like that, you've just got to put
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Speaker 11: your head down. You've got to get back to the
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Speaker 11: basics of your policy agenda. So in the sense that
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Speaker 11: Angus Taylor is trying to get the debate around Liberal
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Speaker 11: Party policies and values, that's absolutely where he's got to be.
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Speaker 11: It's the only place he can be to try and
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Speaker 11: drive that policy agender forward to attract some of those
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Speaker 11: voters that he's lost back from One Nation to the Liberals.
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Speaker 11: We've contested hard against the Greens. We've fought against them
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Speaker 11: in seats with even one seat back from a Green
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Speaker 11: here in Melbourne. So it is possible to do, but
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Speaker 11: it does take a lot of determination inside the party.
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Speaker 11: We shouldn't really fight with the Greens that are really
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Speaker 11: aligned with us, No, you have to combat them on
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Speaker 11: the ground, and you've got to comment policy agenda, which
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Speaker 11: at times is insane.
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Speaker 2: Michael Danby, you heard there from Steve for all that
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Speaker 2: I don't recall Labour said some tough moments, like after
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Speaker 2: the fall of Whitnam for instance, but they always had
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Speaker 2: people that could draw on from the Union movement. Steve
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Speaker 2: himself comes from the Union movement. Have you ever seen
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Speaker 2: the Liberals fall and so low, let alone Labor only
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Speaker 2: in the.
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Speaker 4: Nineteen forties, Andrew, remember the United Australian Party, the predecessor
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Speaker 4: to the Liberal Party, led by Robert Menzies, was abolished, disappeared.
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Speaker 4: Those are the days when the warfies labeled Mensi's pig
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Speaker 4: iron Bob and they only came back when Labor was
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Speaker 4: foolish enough to propose a bank nationalization thing in nineteen
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Speaker 4: forty nine.
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Speaker 1: So I think.
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Speaker 4: Their recipe is to hold on to the state elections
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Speaker 4: here in Victoria. One nation seems invisible in Victoria and
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Speaker 4: hope that they can ride the cotails of the Victorian
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Speaker 4: opposition against an unpopular Victorian government here and get back
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Speaker 4: some kind of national profile.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think the Victorian election is bizarre.
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Speaker 2: You've got one nation clearly having a lot of votes
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Speaker 2: that can make huge gains, but.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of no candidates by one or two.
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Speaker 2: It's just I've never seen anything like no leader or
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Speaker 2: one nation. Well it's got a leader, but it doesn't
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Speaker 2: want to be the leader and it's not seen as
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Speaker 2: a real leader. But yeah, you're all right, sure, not
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Speaker 2: a leader one nation though the polls.
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Speaker 1: Is it a blip or the beginning of the end?
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Speaker 11: Look, would I would hesitate but wanted to jump on
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Speaker 11: the bandwagon. The poles move up and down all the time.
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Speaker 11: There'll be there'll be poles over the next few months
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Speaker 11: where One Nation back ahead of labor.
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Speaker 1: You gotta hold your nerve.
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Speaker 11: I mean the Liberals and the Nationals, and they're skating
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Speaker 11: through at the moment. They will be extinct after the
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Speaker 11: next election federally and possibly in Victoria. They literally will
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Speaker 11: barely have enough people to fill a phone box. And
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Speaker 11: I think I'm being generous to the size of phone
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Speaker 11: boxes and the Liberals just need to focus. But don't
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Speaker 11: be spooked by one nation. One Nation are riding high.
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Speaker 11: They've had a very successful campaign to raise funds recently,
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Speaker 11: and Pauline Hanson, though for the first time, has had
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Speaker 11: to try and explain her policies and explain more importantly
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Speaker 11: or lack of explanation of how they would work. So
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Speaker 11: I think the more scrutiny on Pauline Hanson, her policy
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Speaker 11: agenda and more importantly, how she intends to implement her
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Speaker 11: policy agenda will begin to see the Liberals and the
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Speaker 11: Nationals versus One Nation begin to rebalance a little bit.
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Speaker 11: I'm not suggesting that seventeen, but.
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Speaker 2: I do think Stephen that she was misrepresented grievously, but
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Speaker 2: that is going to be part of the problem, that
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Speaker 2: she will be misrepresented quite deliberately and more hysterically closer
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Speaker 2: to the election. And I don't think she was prepared
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Speaker 2: for that. Michael Labour's rise in the polls. I wouldn't
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Speaker 2: count it as the economy sours. You know Stephen's right,
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Speaker 2: don't you know there's going to be interest rate to
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Speaker 2: hike's coming and it's all back on the agenda. Then
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Speaker 2: last week, in fact, the clearance rate of home auctions
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Speaker 2: crashed to the lowest level in five years.
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Speaker 1: The pandemic is in Sydney and in Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: This comes after the government extra housing taxes and Hou's
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Speaker 2: in Mister Claire O'Neil refused three times in Parliament Luckx
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Speaker 2: and Peter to answer this question.
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Speaker 12: Does the Minister know how many first home buyers now
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Speaker 12: owe more money than their home is actually worth?
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Speaker 13: Question Speaker, The premise of the question is factually an
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Speaker 13: uttle incorrect.
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Speaker 14: Does the Minister know how many first home buyers now
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Speaker 14: owe more money than their home is worth?
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Speaker 12: Over time, house prices in Australia will continue to increase
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Speaker 12: just a little bit more slowly than they otherwise would
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Speaker 12: have Speaker.
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Speaker 3: We're talking about two percentage points.
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Speaker 1: Difference, Michael. How much of a problem is this.
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Speaker 4: It's a big problem, and particularly if there are no
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Speaker 4: new homes being built because of the bands on self
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Speaker 4: managed super funds building homes. And I think that it
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Speaker 4: will affect some labor supporters, particularly single women who would
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Speaker 4: have supported the Greens and Labor who connive this deal
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Speaker 4: between the two of them to really heavily tax the
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Speaker 4: self managed super funds is against the industry funds. So
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Speaker 4: I think they've got a big problem. But angel I
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Speaker 4: want to point out to you the fact that even
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Speaker 4: if you add the one nation and coalition votes together,
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Speaker 4: they are about forty six forty eight.
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Speaker 1: But they can't deliver.
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Speaker 4: Because historically Liberals don't delive their preferences to one nation
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Speaker 4: and one nation don't delive their preferences to That's.
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Speaker 1: Right, Liberals, So you're right. Don't forget Angry Taylor.
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Speaker 2: A lot of one nation vote as well, a sizeable
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Speaker 2: number are in fact ex labor. One nation voters are
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Speaker 2: ex labor, so it's quite misleading to add them to
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Speaker 2: those two together. Stephen Connor, Michael Danby, Thank you very
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Speaker 2: much to you both. After the breakway is the albaniz
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Speaker 2: A government hadding billions to the most corrupted part of
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Speaker 2: the state government with the most corruption. It is now
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Speaker 2: important for all Australia for the labor government of Victoria
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Speaker 2: to be beaten sat held to account for making that
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Speaker 2: state so corrupt. Millions of dollars aluded by organized crime,
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Speaker 2: including our federal money, from right under the nose of
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Speaker 2: a government that looked away. As Channel nine sixty minutes
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Speaker 2: showed last night, it's now many months since Jeffrey Watson,
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Speaker 2: a QC appointed by the administrator of the CFMU Construction Union,
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Speaker 2: estimated that fifteen billion dollars have been stolen from the
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Speaker 2: government's big construction projects by organized criminals and corrupt union officials,
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Speaker 2: all under the watch of Jacenta Allen, now the Premier,
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Speaker 2: but also the long time Major Projects Binister. But Allen
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Speaker 2: seemed shockingly and curious about it when interviewed on the
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Speaker 2: ABC last week, and even falsely claimed that Watson had
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Speaker 2: backed off his claim.
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Speaker 15: Jeffrey Watson has since said that that figure he claimed
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Speaker 15: has that he has been misquoted, so that figure remains
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Speaker 15: in dispute.
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Speaker 1: No, Watson has not backed off.
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Speaker 6: The people of Victoria should be absolutely angry, furious about this.
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Speaker 6: It's actually letting a major problem continue to fister. It's
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Speaker 6: actually funding organized crime.
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Speaker 2: And if E says no, no, no, it's not fifteen
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Speaker 2: billion dollars it's been stolen. And how much did she
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Speaker 2: think it was, she refuses to say.
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Speaker 5: How much has that crime and corruption in the CFMU
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Speaker 5: cost Victorian taxpayers?
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Speaker 15: Well, we have taken action, Sarah. How much has it
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Speaker 15: cost police? Will giving police the additional powers, giving the
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Speaker 15: police additional powers.
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Speaker 5: I'm testing how curious you were to know what the
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Speaker 5: actual figure was the cost of this egregious crime and
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Speaker 5: corruption in your state. What is the cost to the taxpayer?
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Speaker 15: Well, again, this is why giving Victoria police those additional powers,
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Speaker 15: premiss to investigate, Give me investigate this work that night. Now,
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Speaker 15: that is not an answer to the question.
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Speaker 2: Yet last month the Prime Minister tipped in another three
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Speaker 2: point eight billion dollars of your money. Is the Victorian
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Speaker 2: governments big infrastructure projects with the treasury, yes, telling us
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Speaker 2: don't worry about the crooks.
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Speaker 14: We have absolutely zero tolerance for corruption or criminal behavior
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Speaker 14: of any kind. Obviously, when it comes to Commonwealth funding,
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Speaker 14: we insist on the highest standards.
23:24
Speaker 2: But last nine and sixty minutes, a contractor on the
23:27
Speaker 2: Victorian government's Big Build said he even now had to
23:31
Speaker 2: pay off crooks and underworld fixes, such as allegedly Mick Gatto,
23:37
Speaker 2: and he had the proof.
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Speaker 16: Unfortunately, when your personal safety is at stake, you don't
23:46
Speaker 16: have a choice but to remain anonymous. So why then
23:50
Speaker 16: speak out at all? It's gotten ridiculous, the cost of
23:54
Speaker 16: the Big Build, the amount of unnecessary expenditure. At some
23:59
Speaker 16: point in time, something's got to be done. As much
24:02
Speaker 16: as it seems like the government has talked about things
24:04
Speaker 16: getting done, nothing seems to really change. If you don't
24:08
Speaker 16: pay Gaddo, you don't get access to the Big Build.
24:12
Speaker 16: Through Gaddo and through the Union they control who goes
24:17
Speaker 16: on the project and who doesn't get access to the project.
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Speaker 2: And other evidence was presented last night of exactly that.
24:27
Speaker 2: Joining me is Adam Cracht and senior fellow and chief
24:29
Speaker 2: economists at the Institute are Public Affairs and thank you
24:32
Speaker 2: so much for joining us. Again, Look how serious is this? Well,
24:37
Speaker 2: it's very serious.
24:38
Speaker 7: This is a state whose infrastructure spending is completely out
24:41
Speaker 7: of control. It's one of the largest shares of GSP
24:45
Speaker 7: in the whole Commonwealth. State debt is going to two
24:48
Speaker 7: hundred and twenty billion dollars in the next four years,
24:50
Speaker 7: and of course Victorian taxpayers deserve to have greater scrutiny
24:54
Speaker 7: on this area of spending. There's been so many revelations
24:56
Speaker 7: now the ones this week of course by the Age,
24:59
Speaker 7: but they're there've been revelations for the past few years
25:02
Speaker 7: just along the same lines. We've had Rod Simms, who
25:06
Speaker 7: was head of Agiable C. He came out a few
25:07
Speaker 7: years ago and said there was a serious problem in Victoria,
25:10
Speaker 7: that construction costs were likely thirty percent higher than they
25:13
Speaker 7: should be. And yet no one is really looking at
25:15
Speaker 7: this issue. So it really is incumbent on the state
25:17
Speaker 7: government here to do something. And I would say to
25:19
Speaker 7: those people out there who don't like all the figures
25:22
Speaker 7: and are skeptical, I'd invite them to walk around construction
25:24
Speaker 7: sites in Melbourne and look at the black and white
25:27
Speaker 7: pirate flags, the c FWU flags that fly above every
25:30
Speaker 7: single construction site and think to themselves, where on earth
25:33
Speaker 7: in the world does that happen. It doesn't happen in Sydney,
25:35
Speaker 7: it doesn't happen overseas, but here in Melbourne those flags
25:38
Speaker 7: fly above all of the construction sites as if it's
25:40
Speaker 7: a pirate enterprise, and basically I think it probably is.
25:46
Speaker 1: Ya know.
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Speaker 2: And you've done a fantastic article listing all the various
25:50
Speaker 2: pathologies crippling Victoria, turning it into a contemptibly bad state.
25:56
Speaker 2: But should the Albanyci government, given all this and the
26:01
Speaker 2: amazing in curiosity at least in pubbling of the premiere
26:05
Speaker 2: to what's going on under a nose? Should the Albanizi
26:09
Speaker 2: government now be pumping billions of dollars? Is it Victorian
26:12
Speaker 2: government's construction projects now? Is suburban rail loop? While this
26:16
Speaker 2: corruption scandal is obviously not resolved.
26:21
Speaker 7: Well, look, it's no surprised that the Premier doesn't want
26:23
Speaker 7: to have a royal commission. Of course, she was the
26:25
Speaker 7: minister responsible for all this right up until twenty twenty three.
26:28
Speaker 1: There, of course should be a royal commission.
26:30
Speaker 7: I think the ombunsman down here for ten years up
26:32
Speaker 7: to twenty twenty four Debriglass she has called for one.
26:36
Speaker 7: The federal government, though I think, really is probably behaving
26:40
Speaker 7: even worse because they know full well that infrastructure Australia
26:43
Speaker 7: didn't even recommend the suburban railroop, for instance, which the
26:47
Speaker 7: original cost I think in twenty eighteen was something like
26:49
Speaker 7: like twenty billion and now it's thirty two billion, and
26:52
Speaker 7: I think some estimates put it up to two hundred billion.
26:55
Speaker 7: They have tipped in more funds I would assume to
26:58
Speaker 7: try to help the Victorian labor in the federal election.
27:01
Speaker 7: I don't have any sorry in the state election coming
27:03
Speaker 7: up in November. Of course, I don't have any proof
27:05
Speaker 7: of that, but it seems like extremely reckless spending of
27:08
Speaker 7: federal money.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does.
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Speaker 2: I mean to people who just say, don't know what
27:13
Speaker 2: it is. Most Victorians wouldn't know what that suburban rail
27:16
Speaker 2: loop is.
27:17
Speaker 1: Are there.
27:17
Speaker 2: It's essentially linking one out of suburb you don't want
27:20
Speaker 2: to visit to another suburban out of suburb that you
27:24
Speaker 2: don't want to visit.
27:25
Speaker 1: So good luck to that.
27:27
Speaker 2: To the housing crisis, Adam, I talked earlier about the
27:31
Speaker 2: auction clearance rates last week. I mean so low, incredibly low.
27:35
Speaker 2: I mean just compare this week last week's to the
27:39
Speaker 2: same week last year and New South Wales down from
27:42
Speaker 2: nearly fifty nine percent last year to thirty seven point seven.
27:46
Speaker 2: Now Queensland another massive drop to just twenty eight point
27:50
Speaker 2: nine percent of houses selling or home selling Victoria under
27:55
Speaker 2: half the home's clearing, and now Western Australia joining the route,
27:59
Speaker 2: we're less than eighteen percent of property selling aduction.
28:03
Speaker 1: Is this what the OBAN is be government intended with?
28:04
Speaker 2: Is it's to capital gains tex discounts of negative gearing.
28:09
Speaker 1: No, certainly it's not.
28:10
Speaker 7: But they'd privately be quite worried, I would say, because
28:13
Speaker 7: you've got the triple whammy of there's probably going to
28:15
Speaker 7: be a fall in immigration, you've had an increase in taxation.
28:18
Speaker 7: Of course interest rates could be going up further, so
28:20
Speaker 7: there could well be not only a drying up of transactions,
28:23
Speaker 7: which of course is going to be terrible for state
28:25
Speaker 7: government treasuries too. I might add just just to the
28:27
Speaker 7: earlier issue, but of course prices are lucky to fall,
28:29
Speaker 7: and they have fallen. If you look at Canada, a
28:31
Speaker 7: very similar economy to Australia, they've had a big full
28:33
Speaker 7: in migration, they've had interest rates going up, they haven't
28:36
Speaker 7: had the increase in CGT and their dwelling prices are
28:39
Speaker 7: down twenty percent. And I think there's a good chance
28:41
Speaker 7: that ours will fall by the same amount.
28:45
Speaker 2: But isn't that the idea to make homes cheaper for
28:48
Speaker 2: first home bo.
28:51
Speaker 1: Well, look, it depends.
28:52
Speaker 7: If there's a massive fall in dwelling prices, you generally
28:55
Speaker 7: throughout history have a big shock to consumption spending, and
28:57
Speaker 7: that in turn causes a recession. Look, we'd all like
29:00
Speaker 7: housing to be more affordable, but the ideal is that
29:03
Speaker 7: basically nominal prices don't change very much, and they fall.
29:06
Speaker 1: Slowly in real terms.
29:07
Speaker 7: But what you're seeing right now, I think is the
29:09
Speaker 7: beginning of a far broader route. You know, personally, I
29:12
Speaker 7: think you'd be crazy to leverage up big time now
29:15
Speaker 7: and buy a place. I mean, we just saw it
29:17
Speaker 7: front pages of Financial Review. The some parts of Melbourne,
29:20
Speaker 7: some parts of Sydney are already down fifteen to twenty percent.
29:23
Speaker 7: So there's a lot of uncertainty out there. And the
29:26
Speaker 7: government has upset twenty five years of standard taxation arrangements.
29:32
Speaker 7: So there's going to be a huge amount of uncertainty
29:34
Speaker 7: out there. And uncertainty is, of course and always is
29:36
Speaker 7: the enemy of normal economic activity.
29:41
Speaker 2: And don't forget these state governments are going to lose
29:44
Speaker 2: billions in a stamp duty as a consequence of a
29:48
Speaker 2: fewer transactions. Aton, thank you so much for your tone
29:52
Speaker 2: coming up.
29:53
Speaker 1: The panel after this.
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Speaker 2: Something wasn't quite right today when Vanuatu's Prime minister came
30:03
Speaker 2: to Canberra. And I don't mean that his driver packs exactly,
30:07
Speaker 2: we're a ruin. Anthony Albaniz's camera shot.
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Speaker 4: Going going further.
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Speaker 1: Is really good. No, No, that was the problem. Matter.
30:25
Speaker 2: In fact, it was actually good as far as it went.
30:27
Speaker 2: That the two men then signed a deal and which
30:30
Speaker 2: Australia will help Vanuatu if they don't let the Chinese
30:34
Speaker 2: dictator turn Vanuatu into some military asset within missile range
30:38
Speaker 2: of US.
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Speaker 10: We respect the right of all nations to make sovereign
30:44
Speaker 10: decisions about their engagement with other countries. But what this
30:47
Speaker 10: does do is to provide certainty for Australia that there
30:52
Speaker 10: will be no foreign military base, that we will prioritize
30:56
Speaker 10: policing cooperation with Pacific Island Forum members.
31:03
Speaker 2: But meanwhile, much closer to home, just seven hundred kilometers away,
31:09
Speaker 2: is his steam or he gets a lot of our help,
31:11
Speaker 2: and it's Prime ministers Ana Guzmal is treated as a
31:15
Speaker 2: friend in fact, it was a hero of the left
31:18
Speaker 2: back when he dressed like che Guevara. The left really
31:21
Speaker 2: goes for that, you know, sort of look military fatigues.
31:25
Speaker 2: Our soldier even helped him. Our soldiers even helped him
31:29
Speaker 2: into power in his team. All but now it's the
31:31
Speaker 2: kind of guy who slaps women in the street, slaps
31:35
Speaker 2: them hard, and has hugged and fed birthday cake to
31:39
Speaker 2: a man who was a known pedophile and is now
31:42
Speaker 2: jailed as the wife as strangers apologized for that. More
31:46
Speaker 2: seriously for us, Guzmar last week flew to Russia to
31:50
Speaker 2: treat war criminal Vladimir Putin as a friend, to shake
31:54
Speaker 2: his hand and make deals on gas projects. Another unspecified
31:59
Speaker 2: matters to me and Lisa got had from a foreign correspondent.
32:02
Speaker 2: Founder of Adoni Media and Scone You's host s Anikindi, Georgia.
32:07
Speaker 2: Lisa Farmers of Penny Wong has said nothing about Guzmal's
32:11
Speaker 2: visit to Putin, even though Russia has made clear it
32:14
Speaker 2: does want an air force base in our region, is
32:17
Speaker 2: ready trying to get one in Indonesia.
32:19
Speaker 1: Why the silence, Well.
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Speaker 13: It's a very good question, Andrew. You've actually got Penny
32:23
Speaker 13: Wong there who, as you say, is not answering questions
32:26
Speaker 13: about this. As far as my research has gone, she
32:28
Speaker 13: hasn't been asked this point a question either as to
32:31
Speaker 13: what are her thoughts on this, because you have our
32:33
Speaker 13: closest neighbor, as you say, now, cozying up to the Kremlin,
32:37
Speaker 13: and in fact, if you looked at the transcript notes
32:39
Speaker 13: that were recorded by the Kremlin, it basically says that
32:43
Speaker 13: East Timor is looking for somebody. They got trouble with
32:45
Speaker 13: finding enough opportunity for jobs, they need help with infrastructure,
32:49
Speaker 13: et cetera. And they're looking to Russia. Now that too,
32:52
Speaker 13: as as their closest neighbor, should be a major concern.
32:54
Speaker 13: We are already the largest donor when it comes to
32:56
Speaker 13: foreign aid. You know, Pauline Hanson is saying, we need
32:59
Speaker 13: to look at that. But if we're giving all of
33:01
Speaker 13: this money, and yet you've got them over there closing
33:04
Speaker 13: up to the Kremlin, more than happy to pose for photographs,
33:07
Speaker 13: and you've had them ask the Indonesia to put military
33:10
Speaker 13: put aircraft on their military base, Clearly the Kremlin want
33:15
Speaker 13: a footprint just on our doorstep. Pennywong should be out
33:19
Speaker 13: there and answering questions as to why she had a
33:21
Speaker 13: meeting with the Foreign Minister, but she's not saying what
33:24
Speaker 13: was discussed there, so let's hope from a diplomatic perspective,
33:26
Speaker 13: she at least raised it.
33:30
Speaker 2: It's a little bit concerning Janika to see such a
33:32
Speaker 2: close neighbor cuddling up to an absolute brute, a dictator,
33:37
Speaker 2: a war criminal, an invader of Ukraine, a mass murdering
33:41
Speaker 2: thug who's killed as political opponents at home, and is
33:45
Speaker 2: budding up to that guy.
33:46
Speaker 12: Yeah, it is a big concern. And don't forget we
33:49
Speaker 12: provide millions tens of millions of dollars for infrastructure support
33:55
Speaker 12: to East Team, or we're supposedly meant to be a
33:57
Speaker 12: close partner of them. Has to be asked, what on
34:01
Speaker 12: earth is Ease Team or doing closing up to Russia,
34:03
Speaker 12: which clearly wants an air base on our doorstep. They
34:05
Speaker 12: want to cause trouble on our doorstep, and you've got
34:08
Speaker 12: the Foreign Minister seemingly sitting on her hands not warning Russia.
34:12
Speaker 12: And I thought about this earlier, Andrew thought, why is
34:15
Speaker 12: she so silent? And all I can put it down
34:17
Speaker 12: to is it's yet another example of Pennywong. Her hopeless
34:21
Speaker 12: foreign policy diplomacy and constantly backing the wrong horse. I mean,
34:27
Speaker 12: we've seen multiple examples over the last couple of years.
34:29
Speaker 12: She's always criticizing Israel. She called for de escalation, she
34:32
Speaker 12: wouldn't back the US when it's a war began with Iran.
34:36
Speaker 12: She's constantly dilly dallying.
34:38
Speaker 1: And now when we have an enemy.
34:40
Speaker 12: On our doorstep, just like when we had China on
34:42
Speaker 12: our doorstep, that was another problem. She's not willing to
34:45
Speaker 12: say anything. Well, then what is the point of having
34:47
Speaker 12: a foreign minister who wants to be silent. We've got
34:49
Speaker 12: to protect our national interests.
34:53
Speaker 2: Well, maybe she would have said something if Kuzmarhud cuddled
34:55
Speaker 2: up to Benjaminettnia who in Israel instead?
34:59
Speaker 1: I don't know, Lisa.
35:01
Speaker 2: The liberals right now, I mean, especially in Victoria, they
35:05
Speaker 2: have got such a talent for destroying themselves. I mean
35:08
Speaker 2: last week you had Victorian liberal MP more a demon
35:10
Speaker 2: claiming should be physically assaulted a fellow MP, Matthew go
35:14
Speaker 2: reported to police even assaulted when they'd leaned in together
35:18
Speaker 2: at a very noisy dance and guy briefly placed his
35:22
Speaker 2: hand on her shoulder.
35:24
Speaker 1: She claimed he put her in a headlock.
35:26
Speaker 2: The tape shows no such thing, and police dismiss the complaint.
35:29
Speaker 2: The opfictional leader wanted Deeming to apologize the guy, but
35:32
Speaker 2: no due here that she is.
35:35
Speaker 8: As I said, I've reached out to Mura to express
35:38
Speaker 8: the fact that I expect her to deliver apology to Matthew,
35:41
Speaker 8: but nothing further to add at this stage.
35:44
Speaker 2: I got to say that I wonder how much trouble
35:47
Speaker 2: would Matthew go be in if there wasn't this tape
35:51
Speaker 2: to clear him.
35:52
Speaker 1: What do you think, Yeah.
35:53
Speaker 13: I absolutely agree he's saving grace is the fact that
35:56
Speaker 13: there is a tape there. And clearly you've got Deeming
35:58
Speaker 13: on one side who was saying, just because the police
36:00
Speaker 13: complaint has failed does not mean that she doesn't stand
36:03
Speaker 13: by the fact that she was made to feel uncomfortable
36:06
Speaker 13: and in fear, and rightly so you've got guy on
36:08
Speaker 13: the other side saying, look, I'm now looking at potential
36:11
Speaker 13: defamation cases here, a case here, because not only is
36:14
Speaker 13: it affecting him but his family, his children, his friends,
36:17
Speaker 13: his family who have all seen this allegation made against him.
36:20
Speaker 13: But more importantly, as you say, Jess Wilson is presiding
36:24
Speaker 13: over this mess yet again, we have the Liberal Party
36:27
Speaker 13: in Victoria who are now looking for the first time
36:30
Speaker 13: in twelve years a potentially getting into Spring Street. But
36:33
Speaker 13: they're too busy fighting amongst themselves and I don't know
36:36
Speaker 13: how she handles this. As soon as Laura Deeming comes
36:38
Speaker 13: back into this country, no doubt that she will have
36:40
Speaker 13: an audience with who we would hope would be the
36:44
Speaker 13: future Premier of Victoria. But right now you've got Deeming
36:47
Speaker 13: also demanding an apology from the leader of the of
36:51
Speaker 13: the Liberal Party, as well as the Attorney General as
36:53
Speaker 13: well as Matthew Guy. So this isn't wrapping up anytime soon.
36:59
Speaker 2: But Denik, I mean, my wife said to me, well, look,
37:02
Speaker 2: if she really doesn't like Matthew Guy, and she says,
37:06
Speaker 2: she's a survivor of, you know, an assault way back
37:11
Speaker 2: in a youth, a sexual assault.
37:14
Speaker 1: If she really doesn't.
37:15
Speaker 2: Like it, maybe a hand on the shoulder from someone
37:18
Speaker 2: she doesn't like does feel like an assault.
37:22
Speaker 1: I don't know what did you think.
37:25
Speaker 12: Well, we'll never know, you know, unless you've been a
37:26
Speaker 12: survivor in that circumstance. I think that that's really really
37:29
Speaker 12: difficult to answer, but it is a fair point to make.
37:32
Speaker 12: But I think that you know, luckily that there was
37:35
Speaker 12: vision of this incident, because it is Matthew Guys only
37:38
Speaker 12: saving grace. You know, he came out today and he said,
37:40
Speaker 12: Asie males, I know you are sick of this treatment.
37:44
Speaker 12: And I tend to agree with him because unfortunately we
37:47
Speaker 12: live in this era of me too, where as soon
37:50
Speaker 12: as an accusation is made, suddenly the male is made
37:52
Speaker 12: out to be the enemy, the male is made out
37:54
Speaker 12: to be a pariah, and not in every circumstances. And
37:57
Speaker 12: I do agree that there are terrible males out there
37:59
Speaker 12: who do tell things, but in some circumstances it's just
38:02
Speaker 12: simply not the case. So really, that vision really did
38:05
Speaker 12: save Matthew Guy. I think this is really disappointing because
38:08
Speaker 12: once again the Victorian Liberal Party is focusing on itself
38:11
Speaker 12: at a time when disastrous, you know, the state is
38:17
Speaker 12: being led by a disastrous leader, and the Liberal Party
38:19
Speaker 12: are actually in the box seat to possibly win this
38:22
Speaker 12: thing later this year. Now is the time to be
38:24
Speaker 12: focusing internally, focusing on how they're actually going to win,
38:28
Speaker 12: and not finger pointing. And I do worry that the
38:30
Speaker 12: longer this drags on, the longer that there is no apology. Well,
38:34
Speaker 12: questions are still going to be raised because the media
38:37
Speaker 12: will keep raising and raising. So I think that more
38:39
Speaker 12: redeeming might have to consider her options here.
38:44
Speaker 2: I don't think she will. And Matthew go, I don't
38:46
Speaker 2: just have to, you know, suck it up. It's just sad.
38:50
Speaker 2: But I mean the liberals rely on this somehow being
38:54
Speaker 2: magiced away. Some of the criticisms we serve Pauling Hanson
38:58
Speaker 2: and you know, some of the defense of to culturalism
39:01
Speaker 2: I have found quite absurd and sometimes even funny. I mean,
39:05
Speaker 2: here is til mp Zari Steel, you know, very moralistic.
39:10
Speaker 2: Now with their new Community Strong Australia.
39:13
Speaker 8: Party, we are Communities Strong Australia because the superpower for
39:18
Speaker 8: Australia is its communities, is its multiculturalism.
39:24
Speaker 2: But if multiculturalism is a is a superpower, listen, why
39:28
Speaker 2: do Sally's so Sari Steels team of volunteers look so
39:33
Speaker 2: very very white, And the same with the team of
39:37
Speaker 2: other Communities Strong Australia mp Zally Sorry, a Legras spender
39:42
Speaker 2: is a multiculturalism only brilliant in principle of people of
39:47
Speaker 2: the richer suburbs.
39:49
Speaker 13: Well, Andrew, I don't know if you've walked the main
39:51
Speaker 13: street of Neutral Military Rid and Neutral Bay recently. But
39:53
Speaker 13: I can tell you what you cannot describe that as
39:55
Speaker 13: multicultural at all. You know, the great variety is there
39:59
Speaker 13: is what coffee do you want to order? And that's
40:01
Speaker 13: about the extent of it. So I think this is
40:03
Speaker 13: very rich from her. I'm cynical. I think that this
40:06
Speaker 13: has a lot to do with the funding and the
40:07
Speaker 13: donations that can be made to parties and her looking
40:10
Speaker 13: towards the future. When you talk about multiculturalism what I
40:13
Speaker 13: love And this is kind of off topic a bit,
40:15
Speaker 13: but the fact that Pauline Hanson has introduced a word
40:18
Speaker 13: into albernacular into the political debate in this country that
40:21
Speaker 13: just didn't exist. Monoculture was not a word that anybody
40:25
Speaker 13: was uttering a few weeks ago before the Press Club,
40:28
Speaker 13: and now every politician in this country is out there
40:31
Speaker 13: trying to determine what it is. How do you compare
40:34
Speaker 13: with multiculturalism the average person in the street. And I
40:37
Speaker 13: spoke to some people on the weekend who just said
40:39
Speaker 13: it's the polite Australians. The polite Australians are the one
40:42
Speaker 13: they've had a gutfull of talk about multiculturalism, and they
40:45
Speaker 13: just want people who come to this country and say,
40:47
Speaker 13: I love Australia. I'm Australian. Sure, I can speak Italian
40:50
Speaker 13: or I can speak whatever at home, but at the
40:52
Speaker 13: end of the day, I'm Australian, and I think that's
40:54
Speaker 13: why they're resonating with Pauline Hanson.
40:57
Speaker 2: That's yes, I think so us To me, multicultures were
41:01
Speaker 2: a great policy for those that don't have to live
41:03
Speaker 2: with some of the consequences of it. Lisa god D
41:05
Speaker 2: Nikki to Georgia, thank you very much to you both
41:08
Speaker 2: after the break.
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Speaker 1: Punishment at last for the man.
41:11
Speaker 2: Who bashed two policewomen in a brawl that caused more
41:16
Speaker 2: racial tensions in Britain. But is that punishment anywhere near enough?
41:25
Speaker 2: I have already been corrected by many viewers, so please
41:28
Speaker 2: you don't need to add to it.
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Speaker 1: Very sorry.
41:31
Speaker 2: When I played the Advanced Australia Fair being played at
41:36
Speaker 2: the nineteen forty one opening the National War Memorial, I
41:40
Speaker 2: said they played the national anthem then, too well, there
41:43
Speaker 2: wasn't the national anthem. God Save the King was the
41:46
Speaker 2: national anthem. But they didn't play Advance Australia Fair then,
41:49
Speaker 2: and they didn't play it last week, so that's the
41:52
Speaker 2: point I was trying to make.
41:54
Speaker 1: Badly. Two years ago, video.
41:57
Speaker 2: Went viral and around the world showing a policeman at
42:01
Speaker 2: Manchester Airport in Britain kicking.
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Speaker 1: A Muslim man in the head during.
42:04
Speaker 2: A fight, and there was cue the usual outrage, Black
42:07
Speaker 2: lives matter outrage, blah blah.
42:09
Speaker 1: The policeman was suspended.
42:10
Speaker 2: Oh you know, terrible policeman. Crowds in a Muslim area
42:14
Speaker 2: of Manchester. They protested, a police station was egged, racial
42:18
Speaker 2: tensions running high. But then we saw what had happened
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Speaker 2: just before that point and a warning. The vision I'm
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Speaker 2: about to show you was violent. The Muslim man and
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Speaker 2: his brother were fighting three police trying to talk to them.
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Speaker 1: About a headbutting.
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Speaker 2: Two of them were women, and the man broke the
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Speaker 2: nose of one and punched the other to the ground
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Speaker 2: and then joined in a gang up on the loan mail.
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Speaker 2: There must have been freaking, which is probably why he
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Speaker 2: resorted to the boot. And now two years later that
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Speaker 2: man who punched the women has been sentenced to three
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Speaker 2: and a half years jail. Joining me from London is
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Speaker 2: talk TV host Samara Gill. Samaraw What a pleasure to
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Speaker 2: see you again. Why is this such a profiles story
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Speaker 2: in Britain?
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Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of got this perfect concoction of
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Speaker 3: race wars, social media getting entangled. You know, these brothers
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Speaker 3: were sort of tried in the court of public opinion
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Speaker 3: before the courtroom, and I feel like, you know, it
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Speaker 3: was it took so long to come to a conclusion.
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Speaker 3: There was actually another allegation that was tried before two Juries,
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Speaker 3: which was about the assault of PC Zachary Marsden, and
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Speaker 3: that was thrown out. Ultimately, no Juries could come to
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Speaker 3: a conclusion about who was in the wrong there. So
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Speaker 3: I feel like it's a very good microcosm to sort
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Speaker 3: of analyze that outrage moves faster than due process.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 3: They had a very interesting lawyer called an Anwar who
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Speaker 3: described this case as the brothers, the two Muslim brothers,
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Speaker 3: being subject to an orgy of racial hatred. He said
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Speaker 3: that this was a deliberate attempt to smear the family
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Speaker 3: and that this was a racist and islamophobic Basically, accusations
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Speaker 3: were being made and that's just really not true when
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Speaker 3: you just look objectively at the case and you see
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Speaker 3: that these two brothers, especially one of them, Mohammad Baya's
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Speaker 3: really assaulted two female police officers, breaking one of their noses.
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Speaker 3: I mean, for me, it's a clear cut case, Andrew,
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Speaker 3: but it wasn't for the rest of the public.
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Speaker 2: I know it was one where depending which footage you watch,
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Speaker 2: people divided on ethnic or religious lines rather than objectively
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Speaker 2: the facts.
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Speaker 1: Of the matter.
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Speaker 2: And this is where we're up to now, my side
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Speaker 2: right or wrong, I mean my ethnic side, right or wrong.
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Speaker 2: It's just quite sick what's happening. Meanwhile, Britain's Home Office
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Speaker 2: has admitted there are nearly twenty thousand foreign offenders in
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Speaker 2: Britain who have been released from jail and told to
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Speaker 2: go home, but it's staying put.
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Speaker 1: How on earth has that happened.
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Speaker 3: This is because of this little thing that we've got
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Speaker 3: over here called the ECHR and it is it's the
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Speaker 3: European Human Rights Act. It's had many, many horrible effects
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Speaker 3: on our nation. It's kind of when Brexit happened, it
45:15
Speaker 3: was what we wanted to pull out of, but consecutive
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Speaker 3: governments have not wanted to do that. And the issue
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Speaker 3: with it really is is that it's got this article
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Speaker 3: called Right to a Family Life, which is super vague,
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Speaker 3: and when I was reading the investigation that the Telegraph did,
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Speaker 3: I mean the people that have been allowed to stay
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Speaker 3: in the country because of this little legal thing, and
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Speaker 3: also because of all these woke judges that exist within
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Speaker 3: the United Kingdom that exploit that and you know, make
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Speaker 3: sure that that is used and abused. There's a Spanish
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Speaker 3: drug dealer who avoided deportation because his ex partners suffered depression.
45:51
Speaker 3: You know, a Polish domestic abuse abusa who was allowed
45:55
Speaker 3: to stay in the United Kingdom because he maintained a
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Speaker 3: special relationship with his doors. I don't want to know
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Speaker 3: about that. There's even a Pakistani drug dealer who successfully
46:04
Speaker 3: argued that he needed to stay in the United Kingdom
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Speaker 3: because he needed to teach his son how to shave.
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Speaker 3: It's ridiculous and one of the most the most insane
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Speaker 3: ones is this Albanian drug dealer who was allowed to
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Speaker 3: stay in the United Kingdom because his son didn't like
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Speaker 3: the chicken nuggets back in Albania and needed special dietary
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Speaker 3: requirements that could only be sourced in the United Kingdom.
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Speaker 3: This is how the system is getting used and abused,
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Speaker 3: and it just I know' head and hands, Andrew. It's
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Speaker 3: not a good time over here. We're very lucky that
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Speaker 3: some of our governments were able to stick up to
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Speaker 3: these woke lawyers who were legislating all this.
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Speaker 2: It's just insane what has gone through people's tiny minds.
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Speaker 2: It seems to me there is a judiciary or a
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Speaker 2: bureaucracy they're sticking the two fingers up at the rest
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Speaker 2: of the British public. I mean I mentioned we're talking
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Speaker 2: about that Muslim airport attack. The mayor who was in
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Speaker 2: charge of that time was in fact Andy Burnham has
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Speaker 2: now been elected to Parliament a week or so ago,
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Speaker 2: expected to take over as Prime Minister from Sakia.
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Speaker 1: Sam Is quit on Monday.
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Speaker 2: In three weeks, has he actually said yet what he'll
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Speaker 2: do that's different.
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Speaker 3: It's unbelievable, Andrew. For someone who has taken the fast
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Speaker 3: track to number ten, he really is acting like a
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Speaker 3: king and he is going to get his coronation. I
47:33
Speaker 3: don't think anyone's going to challenge him. He's going to
47:35
Speaker 3: step right in. And the funniest thing is he's doing
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Speaker 3: a speech today. Well it's not even funny, it's quite dark.
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Speaker 3: But you know, all these Democrats over in the United states,
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Speaker 3: saying no kings, my goodness. Well, I think they'd be
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Speaker 3: baffled at Andy Burnham's trajectory because he's doing a speech
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Speaker 3: today and he's refusing to take questions and he hasn't
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Speaker 3: taken any questions from any journalist pretty much his entire
47:57
Speaker 3: run at at the Gambit. So there's a big issue here,
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Speaker 3: Andrew that is arising. He is not speaking to the media,
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Speaker 3: he's not really even speaking to the public, and I
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Speaker 3: think ignorance is bliss in this situation. We're surviving off
48:10
Speaker 3: the vibes that he gives us and the fumes from
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Speaker 3: whatever he's running on, and we're not getting any sort
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Speaker 3: of credible claims as to what he's going to do.
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Speaker 3: It's actually quite shocking and staggering.
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Speaker 1: But it's working for him. Samara, Yeah, it is.
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Speaker 3: It is massively all right. I don't know, I make
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Speaker 3: it will either be a big shock or there's nothing
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Speaker 3: going on up there and we just haven't been privy
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Speaker 3: to us.
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Speaker 2: Ah, very good, yes, yes, very good options there as Samarah,
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Speaker 2: gil thank you so much for your time. Coming Next
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Speaker 2: to the Sherry hosted by Carola Marcus, a treat in store.
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Speaker 1: Good Night