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The Three-Way Feud & The TikTok Call Out · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, a micro-influencer
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  Speaker 1: has called out podcasters Lucy Jackson and Nikki Westcott over
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  Speaker 1: a festival run-in. A TikTok couple is facing backlash for
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  Speaker 1: appearing to leave their kids unattended while they dined out
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  Speaker 1: on a cruise. And our highs and lows of the week.
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  Speaker 1: But first, old wounds have been reopened as a messy
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  Speaker 1: three-way feud has broken out between the country's most controversial
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  Speaker 1: reality stars. Former maths contestant Cyrel Paul is at war
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  Speaker 1: with Sky Wheatley and Jessica Power after they shared their
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on a viral clip of Cyrel's recent appearance on
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  Speaker 1: The Amazing Race. Now, Soph, things have kicked off over
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  Speaker 1: the last few days. But I want you to rewind
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  Speaker 1: a bit to Cyrell and her partner Eden Daly's appearance
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  Speaker 1: on The Amazing Race. The Amazing Race producers have struck
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  Speaker 1: gold with this couple. They clearly knew what they were
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  Speaker 1: doing by casting Cyrell and Eden because both of them
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  Speaker 1: have appeared on reality shows before and they have both
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  Speaker 1: brought fireworks to those shows. So Cyrell is no stranger
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  Speaker 1: to controversy. She appeared on Maths in 2019 and she
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  Speaker 1: quickly earned herself the title of Cyclone Cyrell. So she
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  Speaker 1: made headlines when she threw a glass of white wine
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  Speaker 1: in fellow maths contestant Jessica Power's face. She also found
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  Speaker 1: herself at the receiving end though. And I had forgotten
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  Speaker 1: this because Martha Califatita's She was on the same series.
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  Speaker 1: This was the most iconic series of maths. And she
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  Speaker 1: poured a glass of red wine over Cyrel's head at
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  Speaker 1: one of the dinner parties. How did you forget that?
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  Speaker 1: I think that was the most iconic scene that has
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  Speaker 1: ever been in maths. I just didn't realise that they
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  Speaker 1: were all on the same series. I mean, this was
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  Speaker 1: five years ago. Well, her baby daddy, Eden, he also
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  Speaker 1: has a fiery temper because when he appeared on Love
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  Speaker 1: Island in 2018, he was involved in a scuffle with
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  Speaker 1: Grant Krapp. So Grant? was coupled up with Taylor DeMere.
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  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine the two of them talking now.
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  Speaker 1: They won the show. Well, he, cause he turned out
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  Speaker 1: to have a secret girlfriend.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And at the time it was touted as a punch
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  Speaker 1: up between Eden and Grant, but I went back and
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  Speaker 1: had a look at the clip and no punches were
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  Speaker 1: actually thrown, but they both grabbed one another by their shirts.
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  Speaker 1: And there was a lot of swearing and yelling and
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  Speaker 1: they had to be pulled apart by the other contestants.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I remember that the UK was also screening Love Island
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  Speaker 1: Australia at the time. And everyone was so excited over
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  Speaker 1: there because they'd never seen such a big fight in
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  Speaker 1: the UK version. Yeah, I have never seen the UK
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  Speaker 1: guys fight with one another. If anything, it's a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a boys club and they always back each other up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's like one fight and then they're like, sorry, mate. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: no worries.
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  Speaker 3: It's all good.
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  Speaker 1: Well, The Amazing Race kicked off last week on Channel
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  Speaker 1: 10 and it is airing on Sunday and Monday nights.
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  Speaker 1: And it's safe to say that free-to-air TV has taken
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  Speaker 1: a huge battering. And it's clear that the networks are
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  Speaker 1: trying to draw in younger viewers, particularly by selecting contestants
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  Speaker 1: that strike a chord with Gen Zers. Because we've seen
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  Speaker 1: Gold Coast influencer Lily Brown and Jet Kenny on the show,
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  Speaker 1: which I think is a fantastic move. Yeah, I haven't
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  Speaker 1: tuned in yet, but seeing Lily Brown on there really
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  Speaker 1: sparked my interest. And I think I may actually watch
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  Speaker 1: it next week. Yeah, well, you can see that the
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  Speaker 1: Amazing Race is working hard to get these younger viewers
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  Speaker 1: in because they are sharing a lot of snippets from
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  Speaker 1: the show in the form of reels, in order to
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  Speaker 1: entice people to come and watch. Because I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: always forget when the free to air shows are on.
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  Speaker 1: And the Amazing Race Australia's Instagram account currently has 33,000 followers.
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  Speaker 1: And they created their first viral moment by sharing an
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  Speaker 1: altercation between Cyrel Eden and Ian Thorpe and his longtime friend,
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  Speaker 1: Christian Miranda. I never thought that I would speak about
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  Speaker 1: Ian Thorpe in the same topic as Cyrel and Eden,
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  Speaker 1: but here we are. Let's throw to the clip. Were
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  Speaker 1: you having a dig before, Christian, about us following you?
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  Speaker 4: About what?
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  Speaker 5: About us following you?
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  Speaker 6: Were you having a dig?
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  Speaker 2: No, why?
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  Speaker 3: I thought you were.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you were.
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  Speaker 3: What did we say?
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  Speaker 1: About us following you or something.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, in the car?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what was that? We made the wrong turn.
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  Speaker 6: What are you talking about?
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about you being a smartass.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 4: We're not on maps.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and you ain't swimming right now either.
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  Speaker 2: Tom.
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  Speaker 1: But you're known as Ian Thorpe's friend. You're known as
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  Speaker 1: Ian Thorpe's friend.
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  Speaker 3: You're known as his mate.
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  Speaker 1: Just so you know, Ian, it's not you. It's all him.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks, babe.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're welcome.
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  Speaker 2: You're welcome.
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  Speaker 1: You got anything else smart to say, Christian?
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm just going to keep making my boots.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't think so. Maybe when you don't know nothing,
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  Speaker 1: you keep your mouth shut. That's what you should do.
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  Speaker 2: You sidekick.
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  Speaker 6: We could hear them carrying on. I'm not even buying
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  Speaker 6: into it.
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  Speaker 1: That was such a threat. Oh, my God, they're following us.
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  Speaker 1: A bit rich of Cy Rell, who was on Maths, what,
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  Speaker 1: five years ago, to be questioning the authenticity of one
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  Speaker 1: of the other contestants. Yeah, that's the thing. It's quite
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  Speaker 1: an unusual move from a reality TV contestant to demean
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  Speaker 1: someone else over their celebrity status because generally in TV land,
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  Speaker 1: it's reality contestants or influencers who are having to prove
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  Speaker 1: themselves because generally they're viewed as having no talent and
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  Speaker 1: that it's an easy ride because they've got these followers
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  Speaker 1: that have just popped up out of nowhere. And in
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  Speaker 1: this instance... Christian isn't the only amazing race contestant without
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  Speaker 1: a profile because Peter Hellyer is on there with his wife.
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  Speaker 1: There's Billy Brownless who was on there competing with his son.
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  Speaker 1: So I just didn't understand why she was throwing around
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  Speaker 1: her weight like this and trying to big note herself.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I love it. It's completely petty. It's great
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  Speaker 1: for reality TV. I don't like it, though, because I
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  Speaker 1: just think it was a really disrespectful way to speak
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  Speaker 1: to Thorpey and also his friend Christian. Did you expect
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  Speaker 1: much more from her? I didn't. She's well known for
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  Speaker 1: throwing a glass of wine in someone's face. I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that a lot of listeners like me
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  Speaker 1: will have a reaction to this because this is a
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  Speaker 1: gold medalist. It's an Olympian. He has done a lot
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  Speaker 1: for our country. You mean his friend, though? Well, but
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  Speaker 1: she was also directing it at Thorpey as well, saying, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you're not swimming. I just think it was really disrespectful.
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  Speaker 1: It was 100% disrespectful. But as I said, I would
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  Speaker 1: not expect more from these two. They've been brought in
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  Speaker 1: to cause drama like this and they're going to continue
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  Speaker 1: throughout the whole series. Well, it did elicit a strong
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  Speaker 1: response in the comments section and a majority of the
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  Speaker 1: viewers were appalled by their actions. One wrote, embarrassing those
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  Speaker 1: two are back on TV. Whilst another said she should
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  Speaker 1: take her own advice. She is the one who needs
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  Speaker 1: to keep her mouth shut because her mouth runs more
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  Speaker 1: in this race than her feet so far. Whilst others questioned,
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  Speaker 1: Who even is she? And why is she taking a
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  Speaker 1: crack at Ian Thorpe, who is actually a celebrity and
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  Speaker 1: an Australian legend? Well, I'm getting the vibe that maybe
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  Speaker 1: Sky Wheatley is a Thorpey fan too, because this is
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  Speaker 1: where she entered the chat. So she shared the clip
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  Speaker 1: of Cyrel's argument on The Amazing Race on her Instagram
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  Speaker 1: story and wrote, Cyrel is so scary, guys. I'm having
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  Speaker 1: PTSD watching this from our little interaction we had with
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  Speaker 1: a crying face emoji. She then appeared on her stories
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  Speaker 1: from her Turkey hotel room where she was recovering from
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  Speaker 1: a fox eye lift and said this.
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  Speaker 4: If you guys don't know what I'm talking about, I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to put the link to the video from the
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  Speaker 4: interaction that we had. But I swear it was like
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  Speaker 4: set up because the girl next to Cyril was already filming. Anyway,
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  Speaker 4: I'm like not problematic.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, you could say I'm problematic. Who fucking cares?
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  Speaker 2: YOLO.
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  Speaker 4: Um, but I was actually just asking her questions and I,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't realize she would react like that. But then
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  Speaker 4: after it happened, I was like, am I in an
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  Speaker 4: episode of mass? Like it was crazy, but she ranks
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  Speaker 4: great TV. I'm actually really excited to watch the amazing
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  Speaker 4: race this year.
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  Speaker 1: Now this interaction that Sky is referring to is a
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  Speaker 1: fight that broke out between the pair at an influencer
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  Speaker 1: event in 2022. And this event in question was ironically
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  Speaker 1: for well-known mums to promote baby formula. So it just
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  Speaker 1: seemed like a really innocent and wholesome event, but that
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  Speaker 1: is not how the event went down. So to set
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  Speaker 1: the scene, Cyrel was sitting in the middle of the
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  Speaker 1: table and there were three people between her and Sky.
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  Speaker 1: So Sky was at the head of the table and
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  Speaker 1: she was chatting to all of the other girls and
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  Speaker 1: she was somewhat broadcasting the conversation across the table. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and things became heated pretty quickly when Sky asked Cyrel
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  Speaker 1: if her relationship with Eden was genuine. And this is
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  Speaker 1: because in 2019, Eden and Cyrel debuted their relationship through
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  Speaker 1: pap photos. And at the time, many people speculated that
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  Speaker 1: this was set up because It seemed like they were
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  Speaker 1: trying to extend their 15 minutes of fame. Well, it
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  Speaker 1: was a very random pairing because it's not like they
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  Speaker 1: were both on maths or something. And I think everyone
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  Speaker 1: was confused about where they'd met each other.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And what made matters worse is that following these photos
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  Speaker 1: being published, Jessica Power came out and claimed that Eden
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  Speaker 1: had asked her to be with him for publicity. And
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  Speaker 1: she then claimed that Eden had been bagging out Cyrel
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  Speaker 1: to her. And then suddenly, weeks later, they were announcing
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  Speaker 1: that they were in love to the rest.
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  Speaker 6: Of the world.
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  Speaker 1: Well, even more shockingly, they announced five months into their
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  Speaker 1: relationship that they were expecting a child together. So it
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  Speaker 1: was a very hot and cold relationship. They ended up
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  Speaker 1: breaking up during the pregnancy, and then they got back
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  Speaker 1: together just before the child was born. Now, getting back
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  Speaker 1: to this dinner party, there was a guest sitting next
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  Speaker 1: to Cyrel who began recording the exchange. This made Sky
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  Speaker 1: think that it was possibly set up. So Sky firstly
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  Speaker 1: asked Cyrel how she met Eden. She then said, I
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  Speaker 1: saw an article that said you guys had a fake
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  Speaker 1: relationship for clout or something. Now Cyrel's response is muffled,
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  Speaker 1: but it sounds like she told Sky it was inappropriate
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  Speaker 1: to talk about what was in the newspaper.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, you've got to learn that limit, babe.
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  Speaker 3: Otherwise, I'm going to have to teach you.
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  Speaker 1: See, yeah, you were... Yeah, yeah. You were getting really
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  Speaker 1: upset about it.
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  Speaker 3: But, like, if you.
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  Speaker 5: Know the truth, babe, who cares?
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  Speaker 2: I was just going to ask you that because I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to know who said that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm going to ask you, are your lips real?
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  Speaker 6: No, that's inappropriate questions.
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  Speaker 3: I don't need to ask that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe it's my last bit.
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  Speaker 3: Just know that.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe it's my last bit. I will put you in
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  Speaker 6: your place.
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  Speaker 1: I will put you in your place.
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  Speaker 3: I will put you in your place. Eat your food
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  Speaker 3: or I'll shove your face in it.
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  Speaker 1: So Sky clearly got an insight into what it's like
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  Speaker 1: being on maths. Well, luckily no wine was thrown in
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  Speaker 1: this incident, but this was almost worse. And I think
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  Speaker 1: it's quite clear from the video that Sky was a
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  Speaker 1: bit intoxicated because there were points where she was laughing. However,
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  Speaker 1: when Cyrel started making threats, Skye looked genuinely scared. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: I remember talking about this on the podcast a few
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  Speaker 1: years ago, and really the consensus from listeners was that
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  Speaker 1: they felt sorry for Skye because Skye gets herself into trouble,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't actually think she has a malicious bone
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  Speaker 1: in her body. Now that we are all up to
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  Speaker 1: speed on the drama, Cyrel was not happy with Skye's
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  Speaker 1: comment about the amazing race, and she clapped back on
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  Speaker 1: her Instagram story calling Sky a bully and accusing her
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  Speaker 1: of being racist. She wrote, I'm so scary guys. This
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  Speaker 1: is proving exactly what I mean. See, you need to
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  Speaker 1: understand when I call myself crazy or someone I love,
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  Speaker 1: I know it's a joke, but when it's coming from
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  Speaker 1: someone I know who doesn't like me, I know it's
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  Speaker 1: a backhanded compliment. That is why as a woman of color,
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  Speaker 1: this portrays me as aggressive and violent and it's not okay.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, a light-skinned woman is allowed to call another
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  Speaker 1: woman of color crazy. But if a dark-skinned woman like
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  Speaker 1: me called you a crazy shit-stirring bitch who only commented
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  Speaker 1: to express a passive-aggressive comment, I would again be considered
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  Speaker 1: as the aggressive, crazy, black bitch. She then shared a
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  Speaker 1: promotional graphic that Channel 10 had sent out when Sky
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  Speaker 1: won I'm a Celeb, and it explained how she was
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  Speaker 1: donating her winnings to the charity Bully Zero. So Cyrel
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  Speaker 1: wrote across this, amazing she picked Bully Zero as her charity.
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  Speaker 1: Am I crazy or is that hypocritical? Well, it seems
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  Speaker 1: like old feuds are being ignited left, right and center
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  Speaker 1: in this story, because if you believe it, Jessica Power
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  Speaker 1: also entered the chat. And as we mentioned at the
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  Speaker 1: start of the segment, they're not exactly best friends. In
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  Speaker 1: an interesting move, Jess came in to defend Sky. And
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  Speaker 1: I was quite surprised to see this because Jess makes
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  Speaker 1: a living off OnlyFans. And last year, Sky made really
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  Speaker 1: offensive remarks about OnlyFans creators, which seemed to ruffle some feathers.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think the only reason she came to
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  Speaker 1: her defense is more out of her hatred for Cyrel. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because this all went down on So Dramatic's Instagram post.
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  Speaker 1: So the publication was reporting on the story. And on
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  Speaker 1: their Instagram account, they included a screenshot of Cyrel's comments
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  Speaker 1: directed at Sky. Now, Jessica commented underneath the post saying, oh, mate,
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  Speaker 1: give it a rest already. I'm not surprised Sky has
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  Speaker 1: PTSD from her. She's as reactive as they come. She
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  Speaker 1: will find an argument out of thin air, that woman. Well,
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  Speaker 1: this story feels a little dirty and it's very much
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  Speaker 1: in the weeds because Cyrel then took a screenshot of
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  Speaker 1: Jessica's comment and called her out on her story saying, oh, Jessica,
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  Speaker 1: the only person who should give it a rest is
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  Speaker 1: you and your lying arse. Go start another GoFundMe page, bitch.
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  Speaker 1: For someone who likes to run their mouth when the
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  Speaker 1: only thing you seem to have run out of is money.
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  Speaker 1: She continues saying, couldn't even pay for your dad's funeral.
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  Speaker 1: Where's your money from OnlyFans? I was going to suggest
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  Speaker 1: to sell one of your Prada bags, but if there
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  Speaker 1: are anything like that, you're probably rocking a Prado. Still
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  Speaker 1: a fake ass, irrelevant bitch trying to comment so you
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  Speaker 1: can make headlines again. I hope me giving you attention
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  Speaker 1: can rebuild your career. God knows you need the money.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: What a low blow mentioning the dad's funeral. Because that
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  Speaker 1: comment is in reference to Jessica's brother, Rhys, posting a
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  Speaker 1: GoFundMe page. And that was asking for assistance to pay
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  Speaker 1: for their dad's funeral fees. I just think Sorrel's proving
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  Speaker 1: Jessica's comment in the first place about how reactive she is. Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, going back to this funeral, because we didn't
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  Speaker 1: actually cover this story at the time. It just seemed
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  Speaker 1: a bit off to be talking about it. Because a
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  Speaker 1: lot of followers came out and questioned why Jess and
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  Speaker 1: her brother, who earn large amounts of money off OnlyFans,
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  Speaker 1: would have to ask for assistance with a funeral bill
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  Speaker 1: because Jess reportedly makes $ 110, 000 per month on the platform.
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  Speaker 1: So you think that she would be able to cover
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  Speaker 1: those costs. Now, Jessica told the Daily Mail that the
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  Speaker 1: whole family were pitching in along with the fundraising campaign
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  Speaker 1: and that their dad passed away so suddenly that the
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  Speaker 1: funeral did come as an unexpected cost. And she went
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  Speaker 1: on to explain that her sister's fiancé, created the GoFundMe
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  Speaker 1: before she even knew about it. So it seems like
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  Speaker 1: the siblings were trying to raise money for what they
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  Speaker 1: owed for the funeral. Yeah, it just all got very messy. Now,
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  Speaker 1: as expected, Jessica clapped back at Cyrel's stories. She wrote,
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  Speaker 1: not that it should even be something I should need
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  Speaker 1: to address, but it was actually a family member who
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  Speaker 1: started that page not knowing or asking who could contribute
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  Speaker 1: or how much a funeral could cost. I would honestly
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  Speaker 1: sell one of my handbags to get you the anger
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  Speaker 1: management you need. Who brings up someone's grief as a
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  Speaker 1: way of retaliation? Still the same bitter, horrible girl that
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  Speaker 1: we all know. I don't care to stay relevant, but
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  Speaker 1: you've done one TV show after however many years, mate.
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  Speaker 1: Calm down. It was getting very tit for tat at
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  Speaker 1: this stage. And so Raelle responded saying, Now Jessica's response
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  Speaker 1: was the most classic out of all of them. So
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  Speaker 1: she responded with a photo of her relaxing with a
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  Speaker 1: glass of white wine and wrote.
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  Speaker 1: See how I drink my wine, very aggressive, but not
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  Speaker 1: over anyone's face when I can't win an argument with
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  Speaker 1: a laughing face. And she continued, FYI, I don't normally
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: drink my wine like this, but apparently I'm broke. So
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: I wanted to savor it. I would love to see
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Cyrel explaining this whole petty back and forth with Eden.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of like when we get
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: into an argument and our partners get involved and it
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: just sounds so ridiculous. Well, judging from him on The
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Amazing Race, I think he'd just be backing her Whilst
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: I do really love the drama, I just think that
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: this all feels really gross and almost regressive to see
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: these women slinging shit at each other because it's not
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: like there's a healthy debate going on. It's literally them thinking,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: what can I say that will cause the most upset
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: and be the biggest blow to that person and their
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: reputation going forward? We have to remember all of these
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: women were on reality TV for a reason. I really
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: just think it could be an attempt for all of
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: them to stay relevant. I know they're all accusing one
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: another of doing that. But they know what creates headlines.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: They know how reality TV works. And they know that
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: producers are scouting for drama. And whilst they all do
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: look bad by association, it could help themselves land a role. Because,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, we could see a maths reunion where we
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: get Martha, Jessica, and also Cyrel together to recreate some
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: of this drama. I would definitely tune into that. Well,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it would be a maths reunion,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: but can you imagine sticking them all in the Big
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Brother house? Because it's just been announced that Channel 10...
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: have won back the rights to Big Brother and they're
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: hinting that they're going to bring it back to its heyday.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: I would watch that. So Rel, Jess and Sky in
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: a house. But if they're bringing it back to its heyday,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: we're probably just going to get everyday Australians. No, but
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: it's the format they're bringing back to the heyday. Well,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: I saw Sky comment under it, please send me back
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: in the house. One thing I do know is that
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: The Amazing Race would be loving the attention around this
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: and the extra publicity they're getting from the show because
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I will be tuning in on Sunday night for this.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: The petty bitch that I am.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Put on my story saying the brand's name.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: An Australian TikToker has taken aim at two popular influencers,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: labelling them as bullies. During a Storytime Get Ready With
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Me video, Ella Kemp accused the influencers of being rude
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: to her at a VIP event and for bitching about
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: her on their podcast. No, she hasn't flat out named them,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: but she may as well have because she has dropped
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: so many clues that make the women easily identifiable. So
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: the influencers at the center of the accusations appear to
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: be Lucy Jackson and Nikki Westcott. It's a big week
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: for Lucy Jackson, isn't it? Yeah, it really is because
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: we spoke on Tuesday about how she's just gone through
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: a terrible breakup. But I want to get into the
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: accusations because they're pretty sensational. So on Tuesday, Ella told
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: her TikTok followers that she had been invited to a
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: festival back in 2020 when she was just 19. Don't
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: you love it how this drama from 2020, so almost
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: five years ago, is being brought up now? Yes, it
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: just screams TikTok pettiness, but I kind of love it.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: So she said she was incredibly new to the social
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: media scene, being a micro-influencer, and was excited to attend
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: the VIP event. Now for context, Ella now has 90,000
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: followers on TikTok, and over 30,000 on Instagram. So she's
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: not incredibly well-known, but she's definitely an up-and-comer. So she's
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: still a micro-influencer. Pretty much, but her following has grown
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: since 2020. Now, Ella said she was a huge fan
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: of the influencers in question and would regularly buy from
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: their clothing brand. She also said she loved listening to
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: their podcast, so was really excited to see that they
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: were at this festival. This was really the first big
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: clue that she was talking about Lucy and Nikki, because they,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: of course, have the Happy Hour podcast, and they also
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: have a very popular clothing brand called Jagger and Stone. Now,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Ella also went on to drop that the event was
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: full of Queensland influencers. And again, Lucy and Nikki both
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: live on.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: The Gold Coast.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Now, as the night progressed, Ella said she had
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: one too many drinks and was attempting to socialize with
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: the other influencers who were in attendance. She said at
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: the end of the night, she was excited to see
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: the two influencers in question and approach them. Let's have
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: a listen to what Ella said went down.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Towards the end of the night, these two particular influencers
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: were there. I was just super excited to meet them
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: slash like, party with them. I just remember there was
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: this particular guy in their group that like I thought
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: was really cute. So I was kind of just like
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: dancing on my own and like just minding my own business.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Next thing I know, I turn around and I get
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: approached by one of these influencers, one of the two.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: And she comes up to me and she says, babe,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Do you even know anyone here? And me being a 19-year-old,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: fresh on the block, kind of never really been to
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: an event like that in my life before, especially being
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: like a fan of their stuff.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: I was like, like I shit myself.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I think from memory I responded being like, yeah, like
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: I'm here with my friends, da-da-da. And she kind of just, like,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: scoffed at.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Me and walked away.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I was literally traumatized from this. Like, I was so upset.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I'll never forget. I went over to my friend and
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: I was, like, pretty much in tears. Like, I was like, oh,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: my God. Like, this individual just came up to me
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: and basically said, like, do I even know anyone here
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: as if, like, should I even be there?
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I kid you not.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: The rest of the event, this girl sat up on, like,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: the top level of the, like, bar slash, like, grandstand
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: set up and, like, looked down on me and literally
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: death stared the shit out of me.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: And I was so confused.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: They say you should never meet your idols. I wonder
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: if she was hanging around like a bit of a
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: bad smell. Like, you know, when you're super excited to
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: meet someone and you don't play it cool. I mean,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: it sounds like quite a mortifying interaction. Like if I
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: was a 19 year old and I met my idols
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: and one of them came up and said that to me,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I'd be pretty crushed. Yeah, well, following the incident, Ella
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: tried to put it down to a drunken miscommunication, but
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: her worst fears were realized when a friend messaged her
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: telling her to check out the girl's podcast because They
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: did one of those videos where they answered assumptions about
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: themselves and someone wrote in with the assumption that they
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: were rude to their fans. And Ella said she was
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: shocked to discover that the influencers had referenced her in
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: the episode. Here's what she said.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: They start talking about me and they basically say that
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: The only time that they can think about that they
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: might have been rude to a fan was on the
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: weekend when one of the girls came up to me
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: and said that, like, do I even know anyone here?
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Kind of like, fuck off.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Not to mention, they also said that I made them
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: uncomfortable and that I made their, like, immediate, like, circle
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: of friends feel uncomfortable and uneasy. Mind you, I am
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: 19 years old. These girls at the time were like 29,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: 30 years old. And they were trying to make out
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: like I was making them feel uncomfortable.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: I was absolutely shattered.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Isn't that your worst fear? Like, can you imagine meeting
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: someone that you really idolize? And then later on, you
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: hear on a podcast or in some sort of TV
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: interview that they had such a mortifying experience with you
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: and you like royally humiliated yourself. Yeah. Especially because Ella
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: said she'd been drinking. So maybe she'd been able to
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: convince herself, oh no, it wasn't that awkward. And then
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: it's literally just been confirmed. Well, I feel sorry for
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: her because it seemed like she was coming from a
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: place of just being in awe of the women. Didn't
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: seem like she was trying to be overtly negative or
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: rude to them or anything. Well, she was so upset
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: by this podcast recording that she ended up selling all
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: of her Jagger and Stone stuff. But she said when
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: she moved to Sydney later that year, she discovered that
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: she still had one of the brand's bikinis. However, she
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: noticed it was broken. So she claims she'd only worn
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: the bikinis once. And I quote, being a petty bitch,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: she shared a photo of the broken bathers on her
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Instagram story and tagged the brand saying they were shit.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: We are in the weeds a lot of this episode,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: are we not? It's a lot of petty driving. So
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: this then prompted the same influencer, Lucy Jackson, to write
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: back to her Instagram story saying, babe, that bikini is
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: two years old, to which Ella replied, babe, I've worn
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: it twice. Again, the babes, the passive aggressive babes. Now
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: let's have a listen to what else Ella said.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Like, sorry, I didn't realize that swimwear is meant to
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: break after like a few years. When you have a
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: business and you're selling like apparel, swimwear, anything like that, like,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: especially at the price point that they had, like it
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: shouldn't only last a couple of years.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Like I've had so.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Many bikinis last me a decade and they've never once broken.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: So that comment was a unnecessary. And I feel like
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: it was kind of targeted.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: This person is like 30 years old.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Like get a grin to be fair even if you've
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: worn this bikini twice if you've had it kicking around
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: your house it's moved places with you i'm sure it
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: can get damaged really because i think bathers seem to
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: last for a really long time i mean maybe i
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: don't treat my stuff very well just throw it around
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: the house it also depends if you wash off all
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: of the chlorine anyway we're getting into the weeds here
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: but since this video has gone viral on tiktok so
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: at the time of recording it's had 200 000 views
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: The comments section has been littered with people tagging Lucy
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: and Nikki as well as followers sharing information about the
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Happy Hour podcast in question. So I have tracked down
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: the episode from July 2020. So let's hear exactly what
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Lucy and Nikki said about this incident.
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: You get annoyed when being approached by punters when you're
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: out and about with your friends.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Nah.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, I will say this.
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: Absolutely not getting approached. Come and say hello. I fucking
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: live for it.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Get a photo.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Have a yarn. That's absolutely fine.
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: What I do not like is then, and this has
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: only happened maybe like three times, so this isn't like
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: something that happens all the time.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: And I think you know if you're doing it or not.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't like it when people come over and,
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: and then stay and like join us kind of as
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: if then you're welcome because maybe they do come over
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: initially and we are really friendly then to then stick
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: around while we're there with our own friends maybe out
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: for dinner.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Or at a festival dancing with our group of our
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: friends or.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: Whatever and then to keep hanging around and sometimes even
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: filming us or like filming yourself to try and act
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: like you're kind of like hanging out with us I
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: guess it's like come and say hello and Give me
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: a hug.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Have a little boogie. Get a photo. That's sweet as
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: they come.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: Interrupt my night so then I can't really be talking
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: and spending time with my friends when I'm like just
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: genuinely on a night out with my friends.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: That's when I get annoyed. And I think you know
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: if you're doing that. And if someone sort of says, oh, yeah,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: you know. that'll do, run along. Like, do you have
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: any other friends here? That's not being offensive.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: That's just us trying to get on with our night.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what happened that time.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: And that girl got really offended and was like, you know, blah, blah, blah.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: And then a girl blew up at me and was like,
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: you are so nasty, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like,
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: I'm not nasty at all. But if you come over
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: and proceed to hang out with my group of friends
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: for like longer than 15 minutes and just kind of
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: try and blend in and no one knows who you are,
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: I didn't care if I have two followers on Instagram.
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: You're being annoying regardless of who I am.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: So piss off pretty much.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Scram. Don't ever say you're welcome.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: That's all.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I kind of get this because in the influencer world,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: you're always hearing of micro-influencers or people who want a
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: following trying to leech onto bigger creators. And it would
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: piss me off if I was in Lucy and Nikki's
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: situation and I'm out with my friends and you've given
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: this person the time to And then they're trying to
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: sneak around and join your friendship group and potentially take
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: videos of you in a compromising position when you're drunk.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I think in this instance, this Ella, maybe she had
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: the best intentions and she just read the situation wrong.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Because can you imagine if you met, you know, some
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: podcasters or influencers that you really respected and you thought
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: you had hit it off, only to be told quite aggressively, like, scram,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: fuck off, basically.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I can kind of see both sides to it. Because
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: especially when alcohol's involved and lines are blurred, it seemed
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: to be that Ella was picking up the wrong cues
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: and maybe should have just realized to leave. Well, I
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: would have been offended hearing that if I was Ella, though. Oh,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I would be so intimidated by Lucy and Nikki. I
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: think they sound fucking funny, but I feel like I
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: don't like that sort of tone directed at me. Well,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: the only thing is I think that someone like Lucy,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: she takes no shit by the sounds of it. And it's, oh,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: she sounds classy. Yeah. And it's quite apparent that she
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: felt like her personal boundaries were being crossed. And that's
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: why I think she just said, look, babe, do you
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: know anyone else here? Can you please leave? One of
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: our friends has said that she wishes she would spot
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Lucy and Nikki out somewhere so that she could try
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: and party with them. And that seems to be something
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: that a lot of their listeners think. So they must
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: get it all the time and it must get really frustrating.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: But I think that's why this girl was so disappointed
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: because they do put across this image of hey, come
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: party with us. We'll have a boogie. We'll have a
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: drink and everything like that. But it reaches probably a
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: limit where it's like, hey, this is the socially acceptable
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: point to leave. I know Abby Chatfield has spoken about
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: this in the past and she said that she's more
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: than happy to pose for photos and have a little chat. But,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: you know, when she's out on a night out, she
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: actually wants to spend it with her friends and not
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: be interrupted the whole time. So these are good tips
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: if we ever spot Taylor Swift out and we meet her.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: 15 minutes, that's the cap. And then I just fuck off.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I think the timing though of this TikTok is really
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: interesting because as we spoke about earlier in the episode,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Lucy has recently broken up with her boyfriend after she
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: discovered he was cheating on her. And she's been very
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: open on TikTok sharing about her experience. And this has
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: garnered a lot of public sympathy. So it's interesting that
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: this video suddenly pops up just after this. Oh, Ella
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: is obviously riding on the coattails of this drama and thinking, well,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: everyone's talking about the girls at the moment. Let's drop
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: this incident. It's going to get me a lot of
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: views and engagement. Well, interestingly, Ella actually said in this
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: TikTok that she was inspired to make the video after
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: randomly seeing another TikTok pop up where Lucy labeled another
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: podcaster a fucking bully. So this was the final clue
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: when I was like, this is clearly Lucy. Because earlier
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: this year, Lucy sparked controversy when she released a video
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: perceivably calling out podcaster Megan Passetto from So Dramatic. So
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: the two podcasters have had a lot of beef over
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Lucy and Nikki were accused
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: of making racist remarks towards Megan. And interestingly, Megan has
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: a connection to Ella. Side note, I really hate when
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: people throw around the term bully at everyone to describe
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: a journalist working or investigating stories. Yeah, it's not good.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: On the topic of Megan though, so Ella actually appeared
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: on one of So Dramatic's podcasts back in 2022. And
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: so she spoke about how she was in a relationship
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: with former maths contestants, Jackson Loney and Jack Miller. And
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: this was quite a controversial episode because Ella was the
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: first person Jackson was connected to after his high profile
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: split from fellow maths contestant, Olivia. And in this episode,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Megan described Ella as the chaos queen. And I think
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: that's a good description after seeing this TikTok because she's
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: obviously not afraid to stir the pot, which I love.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: It was a really good episode. Well, it's an interesting connection,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: isn't it? Because Megan is obviously not a huge fan
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: of Lucy and Nikki either. And I saw a lot
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: of people actually tagging Megan and So Dramatic in this
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: TikTok as well. And Ella responded, look, Megan is well
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: aware of this incident. Is this going to be another
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: three-way feud? There's been so many feuds popping up on
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: TikTok at the moment and I am here for the entertainment. Well,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I get it as well because let's be real. This
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: is the influencer world. And if you create drama, it
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: equals views. The one thing I felt really uncomfortable about
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: during Ella's call out though was the constant age bashing
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: of Lucy and Nikki. And maybe this is because I'm
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: in my 30s. But the continual reference to their age,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I thought it was a bit unnecessary and it kind
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: of came across as age shaming. So you sent me
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: the clip and I think it had the text and
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: it said 30-year-old podcasters have bullied me. And I thought,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: holy fuck, is this about us? And then I was like,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: why the fuck do they have to mention our age?
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is probably how Lucy and Nikki felt
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: as well because the age is irrelevant. It's kind of
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: like saying, oh, well, they should know better because they're
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: in their 30s. Yeah, well, I just can't wait to
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: see if Lucy responds. I don't know if she will.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I feel like she's got a bit more shit going
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: on in her life. I think if she's to respond,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: she'll probably respond on her podcast in a similar fashion
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: to the first time they spoke about the incident. But again,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I don't think she wants to give Ella the attention
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: or clout.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Hey, everybody.
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: We usually would not be making a video like this,
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: but there is information circulating about us that is completely untrue.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: A US TikTok couple is facing backlash for appearing to
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: leave their kids unattended in their cabin on whilst they
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: dined out at a restaurant during their family cruise. Now,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: the couple in question, Matt and Abby Howard, have been
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: forced to issue a statement refuting the claims. Sophie, before
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: we get into it, can you bring us up to
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: speed on who Matt and Abby are? Yeah, well, they're
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: two TikTokers who are very much selling the American dream.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: So they're Christian, they're high school sweethearts, and they've got
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: two kids called Griffin and August. That is so American.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: They are from Phoenix in Arizona and they share very
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: curated family moments as well as insights into their very
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: traditional marriage. And they also recreate a lot of viral
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: trends on TikTok. Now they have over 7 million subscribers
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: on YouTube and it's basically a family channel where they
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: blog about their lives. They also have 5.3 million followers
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: on TikTok and a podcast called The Unplanned Podcast. where
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: they discuss their relationship as well as their family dynamics.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: And they're no strangers to controversy. So they have been
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: slammed previously for their views on traditional gender roles in
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: the house. So Abby handles most of the cleaning and
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: raising of the children. And in a now deleted video
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: from 2022, Matt surprised Abby by taking care of the
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: house and their newborn child. So this video copped a
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: lot of criticism because people said it was perpetuating the
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: trope of the hopeless dad who can't raise his own
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: kids or has the capacity to clean. It reminds me
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: a little bit of all that controversy with Matty J
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: last year. Now, another controversy involved Matt making his own
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: homemade baby formula. And at the time, he added a
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: disclaimer saying that you shouldn't actually give it to your baby.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: But critics argued that it was dangerous and could encourage
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: people to try it out at home. And this year,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: he copped criticism for boycotting Father's Day. So on his podcast,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: he spoke about how instead of celebrating on the official
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: date in America, he planned to celebrate it on a
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: separate weekend because Father's Day fell very close to his birthday.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: And the year prior, he'd done a joint Father's Day
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: and birthday celebration, but he didn't want to do it
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: again this year. I think that controversy is... be weak though. Well, yeah,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: because people were saying, oh, he's entitled and it's a
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: red flag because he's demanding two separate days that celebrate him.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I think they were pretty unfair with that one.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Now this is where the latest controversy has erupted because
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: in September, the family embarked on a seven night cruise
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: with Abby's extended family and they shared highlights of their
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: holiday on their Instagram accounts. Now, Abby revealed at the
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: beginning of the trip that they were eating out as
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: a family, but it wasn't really working. She wrote on
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: her Instagram story, so we ended up taking them for
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: five nights and it became apparent that they weren't enjoying it.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: And therefore, we weren't either. This is obviously the children.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: So then we switched our dinner time to after their bedtime. Now,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: in this Instagram story, she shared this caption over the
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: top of a baby monitor that and continued to write,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: we FaceTimed the monitors while we ate and that worked
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: out much better for everyone. She then added that the
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: baby monitors don't work on board unless you're only five
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: feet away, explaining they needed to FaceTime the monitors to
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: get it on their screens. And this elicited a huge
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: response from their followers. Many took to Facebook gossip forums
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: and also Reddit posts to share their concerns. One follower said,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: so clearly they have paid no attention to the Madeline
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: McCann case, While another said, this is incredibly upsetting, especially
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: as they had family with them that probably could have
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: watched them while they were out and had something to
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: eat together. FaceTiming the baby monitor while several floors away
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: when anything can go wrong in that time span is
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: just incredibly distressing as a parent. Now, others went as
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: far as calling it negligent and raised issues around what
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: if a medical emergency happened or an abduction or a
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: child went wandering and fell overboard. Now, following the backlash,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Abby swiftly removed the story and provided no explanation. But
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: the couple broke their silence about this incident on Tuesday
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: by releasing a TikTok video, which at the time of
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: recording has had 9 million views. So Matt started by
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: saying they wouldn't usually create a video like this, but
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: there is information circulating about them. It isn't true, so
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: they wanted to set the record straight. They said they're
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: very protective of their kids and love them more than
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: anything in the entire world. They also thanked their followers
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: for being concerned about the safety and well-being of their kids.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Watching this, it's clear that they have a PR team
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: that they're working with because they were trying to sound
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: very understanding to the critics. They also began by explaining
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: that they went on the cruise with Abby's extended family
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: and that the kids were never left alone at any
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: time during the cruise. Here's what they said.
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: And people started to speculate and believe that we had
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: left our children alone in their staterooms. And that is
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: just completely untrue because we had someone with our children
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: at all times on this boat, period.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: I do want to clarify that we have not, would not,
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: will not ever leave our children unattended. We would never,
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: ever want to put them in harm's way in any way.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Abby then explained that she could see how her story
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: could have been misleading, which is why she deleted it.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: it straight away. Now, Abby and Matt clearly knew that
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: many followers would question, well, if you had people babysitting
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: for you, why then did you have to FaceTime the
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: baby monitor, which I think is a fair enough question. Now,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Abby went on to explain that her kids always sleep
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: in a sort of blackout tent. And in the middle
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: of the tent, there's a spot for a sound machine
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: and also a spot for a baby monitor. So she
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: said that even when they sleep in the same room
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: with their kids at home, they always have their monitors
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: on so that they can watch what's happening in the tent.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: So she said that even though they were tag teaming
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: with a family member at dinner, they wanted to have
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: that extra precaution of watching them on the baby monitor
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: as well. This seems odd to me. Why are you
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: having your kid in this blacked out tent that you
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: can't see them? Well, the whole thing sounds like a
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: bit of bullshit. They probably sat around and were like, fuck,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: we look so irresponsible. I mean, as one of their
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: followers pointed out, all I could think of was the
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Madeleine McCann situation. Have we not learned anything from that? Well,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: it was quite interesting because their comment section on the
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: TikTok video was full of people praising them. So I
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: don't know if it's been highly edited. So one follower wrote,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Great explanation. I also think it's lovely that you thank
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: people for caring and being concerned rather than getting on
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: the defense. Perfectly articulated. And that comment received 5,000 likes.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't make sense why they'd share that Instagram
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: story because it's kind of like they were having a
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: laugh about it. It really does seem like they're changing
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: their story now because they weren't expecting such a big
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: reaction from their followers. The The bit where they lost
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: me is when they didn't name which family member was
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: looking after the kids because initially in the TikTok, Matt said, oh, yeah,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: we were with Abby's extended family and we had everyone
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: there from the great-grandmother to the kids. They didn't explain
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: all the other people. And then when they said, oh,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: it was someone looking after a child, they didn't say
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: which family member. And I think that's because they were
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: probably concerned that during their trip they may have put
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: up a photo of a dinner which showed all of
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: the family there or maybe– They think that they're so
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: famous that someone would have taken a photo of them
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: on that night out for dinner and they might get
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: caught out in some way. Great PR by their team though.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: A lot of people said they also didn't buy the
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: body language in the video. Someone said that the eye
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: contact screamed guilty. I love how everyone becomes a body
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: language expert as soon as these influencer apologies come out.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Let's get into our highs and lows of the week.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: And I'm going to kick things off with a very
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: embarrassing low that I almost didn't want to bring to
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: the podcast.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Now, I'm all ears.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Well, you persuaded me to bring this one up because we, well,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: I got my full wedding video back and I'd forgotten
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: some of the funny things that you mentioned in your speech.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: And one of those things, a lot of OG listeners
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: will remember. And that is that a couple of Christmas
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Eves ago, I went to Aldi wearing a very thick
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: green fake tan, like the tan had gone off. I
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: I quickly put on some shorts and unbeknown to me,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: the shorts were inside out. Well, you thought everyone was
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: staring at you at Audi because of your atrocious fake tan,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: but it was actually because of your shorts and the
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: shorts had inbuilt undies. So you literally looked like some
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: kind of strange superhero. Yeah. So that was mortifying. And
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I thought that I'd moved past those sort of incidences,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: but apparently not. At 35, still mortifying. Still doing it.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: So I went shopping with my husband. We went to
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: rush into Woolworths, pick up a couple of things. We
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: got back, I was unpacking the groceries and I lifted
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: my arms up in the cupboard and my husband said,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: what is that poking out of your pants? And somehow...
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: There was a sheet of toilet paper that had been
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: hanging out of my pants. I didn't realize you'd been
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: to the shops with this. So Brandon said he initially
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: thought that it was like a folded up tissue that
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: maybe I'd put there because if I had a runny nose,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: but no, it was toilet paper. And then I went
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: to bed that night and my partner lifted up the
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: covers as he does always to check for spiders because
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: we live in the hills. And he noticed that there
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: was a piece of toilet paper attached to my foot.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: So I do not know what is going on with
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: me at the moment. Anyway, my high of the week,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: it will be a quick one. It has been spending
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: time with my nephew, Jack. He is so cute. He
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: is officially three months old and we went on a
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: very sweet walk together. He's in that stage where he's
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: smiling at you and laughing and he is just so cute.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: He's adorable. So my low of the week has been,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: I have finished all of my favorite Netflix shows. I'm out.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: I have nothing to watch. So I was hoping that
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: some outspoken listeners could slide into our DMs. Maybe we
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: could start a thread in our Facebook community. I want
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: a list of great shows that you and your partner
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: will enjoy because it's really a struggle to find shows
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: that I like and that Dale likes. And my high
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: of the week is I finally got around, what is
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: it now, like September? Nine or seven months after my wedding,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I finally gotten around to printing my wedding photos and
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: I've printed two quite large pieces. I don't know how
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: the listeners feel about having such large wedding photos in
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: your house, but I've seen Quite a few people do
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: it where they select one really cool photo, which is
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: what I've done. Well, you've selected two, haven't you? Well, two, yeah,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: but just one of Dale and I, I mean. Oh,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: so yeah, the other one is of the bridal party. Look,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: unpopular opinion here, and I apologise if you have one
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: of these in your house, but when I think it
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: verges on tacky is when people get them printed on canvases.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I'm just not a fan
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: of the canvas. I think that's very early 2000s. So
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I've got them printed from this local printer in Adelaide
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: and I've I've had photos in my house printed from
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: him before. He's really, really good. It's on this beautiful paper,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: but I'm trying to find the right frames. I got
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: some from Freedom previously, but they don't have the exact
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: ones anymore. Do you know when I think it is
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: too far with wedding photos? Is when they're the huge
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: focus of your house and your wedding was like 20
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: years ago. Because, you know, when you've just been married,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, it's nice to put up your photos.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: But you kind of think, well, what's next? Like, have
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: you achieved anything else in your life? Is there anything else?
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: That's so rude. No, but I'm saying like, you know,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: most of the time it's taken up by, you know, well,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: not that a holiday is an achievement, but by other
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: things you do in your life, whether you have kids
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: or whether. I think it's nice. I think it's nice.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I think what happens, though, is when people get older,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: the photos become outdated. And yet you've got the canvas printer,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: it can look a bit tacky. But maybe I'll have
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: to share a photo on my Instagram story when I
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: get them up. I think they're going to look really cool.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Sophie's a bit gutted because I have this photo of
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: all of the bridal party walking along this gravel path. Yeah,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: and the only one you chose is literally half my
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: face cut out of it. Yeah, it was unfortunately because
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Sophie kept pulling all these weird faces when she was
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: having this very animated conversation. So the only one we
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: could feature was one where.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: She was kind of hidden.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: That is not true. There was one of me normal. Yeah,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: but the rest of the four other people were cut out. Well, anyway,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: you're in it. Everybody is in it. I don't mind
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: not being the focus of it. I think it's quite funny. Anyway,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: I think that's all we have time for today. We
• 46:38
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• 46:40
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• 46:43
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• 46:47
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• 46:50
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• 46:53
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• 46:55
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• 46:57
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• 46:59
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• 47:02
  Speaker 1: on a program called Omni and they've recently done an update.
• 47:06
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• 47:10
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• 47:12
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• 47:13
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• 47:15
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• 47:18
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• 47:21
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• 47:24
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• 47:26
  Speaker 1: we had a special episode drop on Monday where Kate
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: returned to give us an update on the fourth trimester.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: And tomorrow's subscriber episode is one I think that a
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: lot of you will want to tune into. we answer
• 47:40
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• 47:43
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• 47:46
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• 47:51
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• 47:53
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