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The BIGPLAY Cleveland Show 07/01/26 · BIGPLAY Cleveland

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[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome on in it is the big play Cleveland show live today here on YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_03]: These Browns legend Josh Cribs Matt Fontana Ryan Tyler along side planted to get to taking up the 130 today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sam Amico, good to join us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, we got to talk a little bit of brown with it going on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll get to the guards.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Plenty coming up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Josh great to see me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody that always jokes about Cleveland being the center of the sports universe here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We are yet again an NBA offseason plenty of moves all over But I think Probably the biggest one comes yesterday LeBron says not going back to Lakers, but he does want to play just get everybody updated to a couple of things that came out Yesterday, but certainly updated today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not about money for him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He wants to go somewhere that it's gonna be a contender There's reports today that minimum
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[SPEAKER_03]: Josh, you know, brawn better than anybody on the show right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you've talked to him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm assuming maybe not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a little busy, but man, that'd be so great if he came back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd love that to be just the fairytale ending in a way for our fans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: for him to kind of put the bed, put the rest and kind of retire in Cleveland.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and where it started, you know, also long ago, you can almost see the headlines, you can see the story, the documentary, you know, him coming from high school to the pros, getting drafted here, and then leaving and breaking everybody's heart and then coming back to win and then leaving again and then coming back to Barry at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that would be great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's going to go either.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, you know, because Cleveland is home for him, meaning Cleveland, Aquinarium, it's sort of he gets swapped here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not just fans, that's everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Family, friends from years ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: High school teammates, yeah, it's a lot for someone, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And every time he comes back here, and he had mentioned this on a podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope he comes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope he's just, you know what, I'm gonna finish it here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then bring Brownie back to, you know, because we get a kick out of, we're loving, we're talking, you know, in media, we talk about it for days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're both welcomed, regardless, you know, just like when he came back the first time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd bunch of, I bet a bunch of people was bringing those ashes up out the trash cans when they was burning jerseys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I got to resurrect my Brown jersey all this forgiven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when he won it, I mean, what a storybook ending, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If he were to come back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, he was on a podcast and it just, you know, it got caught of him, you know, basically speaking, you know, that's Cleveland.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just not a place I would want to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of energy he has to expel comes home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like I said, a lot of friends come out the world will work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Family, you know, he gets pulled in a hundred directions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it would be such a story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I, you know, I, I just so proud of him seeing his beginning, seeing him, you know, blossoming to the person Amanda, icon that he is today and to be able to see it on the front lines as it began and then watch him, you know, growing to this, this world celebrity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just, I'm proud that he's from this area.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you have real quick, I've got to say this because this is a perfect Josh your time out story book endings 24 minutes ago, Kevin O'Connor, Yahoo Sports, LeBron is in discussions about filming the entire upcoming season for a documentary or episodic series.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Last and just sign here last and come on, it wouldn't be, it wouldn't be a great view if it wasn't here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: LeBron's media group, um, sponsored a show of entrepreneurs that was in Cleveland.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh uh, uh uh, uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of the edge would area talk about the bit I watched it just because the Brown was a part of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I frequent that I you know patronize the businesses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just because the Brown is media company was was featuring it, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If he, I mean, even if it's not about the money, but business, even all the around him, it will get so many eyes nationally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And let's talk about bronze still wants to win.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's, I got into this with some people Josh about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What's he looking for and somebody goes oh he's not ring chasing I go what do you mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not saying that he's pulling a Kevin Durane is going to join the Oklahoma City Thunder.
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[SPEAKER_03]: God I hope not but like I think he wants a chance to get another ring.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's got the four all ready.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's probably not going to catch Jordan, which is the famous debate of him in Jordan.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But if he came here in one one, it's not out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So with the team that we had right that's what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we had a look on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even at his age, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when that roster, when it matter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, let me tell you this too, Josh.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You thought it's like, there's something about LeBron that when he enters that building, I just I picture him kicking a door and in practice and looking at Donovan Mitchell and Evan Mobiley and James Harden and Max Bruce and going.
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[SPEAKER_03]: whatever was happening here before doesn't really matter but now we're in and we're going and you better get on board with this because this is where we're going to go because that's what he brings right he's not on many teams in his career that the finals were not the goal early in his career had to find your way then late the first goal round those are finals or bust my amuse finals or bus calves were finals or bus even when he got to LA in the first
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's a coach wherever he goes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, he's going to have that opening statement.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He brings that aura.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, he brings that that this is what we're going to go driving.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I got it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It goes by.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I tell you, like, and let me add one more thing to it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He knows the cab's organization.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I know that he and Dan Gilbert had to bury some hatchets.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they had to come back to this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It gone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When that rain came, when he brought that trophy back home,
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he knows, Dan Gilbert will do what needs to be done to win a championship.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can't say that for every owner.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You got James Dolan who owns the next in New York and they won a championship in two days later.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, we got to get out of this second apron.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I understand there's financials to it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can't just spend all the money doing everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All the money is a factor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's got a, the bronze got appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a Stanford, Stanford introduction for him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lebron is humble.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he'll come in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, the calves were right there at the door.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Correct.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They won't one game away from the finals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they have the same squad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if the bronch came through the door, it wouldn't be kicking it down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, be like, hey guys, I watched on TV.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As you guys had an opportunity to get there and win it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to help get there and I want to help be a part of what you guys have already built.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think that is the story and the statement that he and they will welcome him with that, you know, that, that humbleness of, I know who I am, but with me and you, I'm the piece that's going to put you guys over the edge and I think they'll welcome him with Donovan Mitchell to lead.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is it in his mind?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What do the calves need?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A three year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, and I know that LeBron and his career might be better at a four right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you want to be chasing three guards around or, you know, small fours.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He can't do him play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I can't run like they know more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, if I, and he knew he'd jump, he still can do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I still want to do it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: best players on the course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when Luka was hurt, I don't want to talk about it no more because now you get my hopes up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now with Ryan, I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to ask you and I'm sorry I'm about to say it makes you throw up in your mouth a little bit, but let's say in an alternate universe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Last couple years you're a career you said and I know you want to do this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go play for the Pittsburgh Steelers Do you would you blame fans if they held that against you and the reason I'm bringing this up because there is that part where LeBron James goes to Golden State right I Wouldn't After seeing how Jill Hayden was welcome back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think after a while you would have you would have seen that It was about business and football
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I had made that move, I respect the Tomlin playing against some twice a year every year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a mutual respect across the 50-yard line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just couldn't do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I was bred from Cleveland, you know, and bred into the...
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[SPEAKER_00]: hating the black and so I couldn't do that, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, it just wasn't in me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: People talk about the rivalries Josh and the pros, but I mean, you feel with the, with the, the Eagles in the Cowboys, like they do not like one another.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously the Browns and the Steelers Steelers and the Ravens.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's just that rivalry that's built in here, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: At the end of the day is business.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't see us like that though.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I, you know, and that's a hard part.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So see how you say the cowboys in the and the Eagles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The rivalry, the rivalry was actually the cowboys in the command commander's.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was in DC in the 90s.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I had to watch him Smith and Troy Eggman in the boys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Hall of Fame.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's equivalent to what the Steelers had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the Steelers, the Cowboys had eight men.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's equivalent to Robert Furrier, they had that Michael Irvin, who's like a high-end ward out there running around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right in the end, Tony Go Brown, they had Emmett Smith.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When did this still does not have a power thing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine the bus back there, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they were always that team to beat with a Hall of Fame team, like Cowboys, and even the Cowboys in the world we're now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people in DC begin to be Star's fans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we call them, Stars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And...
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like that in Cleveland.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes you spot those Pittsburgh fans like what why you know, but it's because they won games, but I could never do it again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't and and Ryan to that point about the Warriors like I.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not as deep as the Steelers Browns.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, but it's pretty close.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's the defining rivalry of LeBron's career.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Early in his career.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was the Celtics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hold on, y'all think the Warriors can do it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, I would be a destination.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't I would think about, are they paying him a lot?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it would be his most fun destination.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's playing with staff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't move to Vegas.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to play with staff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's potential.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you get some more on the cross by.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, they're in a day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oakland, that's not the, that's not as the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was in the bay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not as fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the bar will hate that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a far jump from LA, but that's not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that I was talking to somebody I was remote shelter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I host on ESPN and she goes, you know, the thing about if he decides to go to The Warriors he just built a brand new house in LA.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's obviously been there for eight years as families there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a 45-minute private jet ride, you know, for him to go Along with the season again Yeah, yeah, to come on home and do it again, right we'll give him a
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[SPEAKER_00]: he's all right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he'll keep games.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I ain't going to play all easy to go home for a while.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jim Brown statue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And front.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're to give him a statue.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he's got it already.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think for the brun, his legacy is already set.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, and what it's going to be, he's going to go down.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like to bait and people on the MJ versus Ron thing because, well, and Michael Jordan, I saw this clip that
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[SPEAKER_03]: He goes because all of us just elevated the game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it started with Bill Russell.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It goes to, I guess, you know, well, about the same time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it then it goes to Korean.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Then maybe to Michael, then to Braun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And now this next wave of great players, he goes, it's never just won because it crosses eras and our job was always just a further the game along.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Braun did that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what a goat says.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a goat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is a goat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and that's no goat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're all goat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, goats.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, in the back of his head, MJ goes, I'm a head of those guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm biased towards the Bronx.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I've seen it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen Mike MJ too on the two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was in DC.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was a bull's fan in DC.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to be like Mike.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I sung the song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I sang the song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to want to be like Mike was the original goat because technology advanced.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and he was on TV by none other he was popular now if all those other great athletes were popularized by the media that came in mj's the movies the brand deals he had a shoe for cry sick that everybody would you know every's most popular shoe ever made
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[SPEAKER_00]: So everybody, but the reason why he is the original goat because everybody followed his mold, the business plan of MJ.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It, LeBron followed MJ, he wore 23.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's funny that you guys mentioned Ryan mentioned Simwon to shoot this, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because what did the last dance do?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It opened the eyes of a generation that never really watched MJ and I'm kind of of that I'm I'm just a little younger than you Josh, but I remember Michael, but watching the last dance I came out of that with a whole new level of appreciation and perspective to go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Whoa, didn't really understand that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think of people that are even of the younger younger generation now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They see Bron and L.A. And again, it'll be different because the last dance was about that championship run.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like it'd be different if I'm sure they shot a lot of stuff for the 2016 team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Be good at him saying like it's a new perspective for Bron.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I do think a little bit about him coming back to Cleveland because he put the cabs on the map.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He started this whole thing of the cabs being a destination.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'll say this to him, blue in the face, even when he was gone.
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[SPEAKER_03]: the success of the Cavaliers, even the success of the current calves that Lebron is not even on is in part tribute to him and in part thanks to him because of what he did to elevate not just the franchise, but I guess the franchise, but even to your point, elevate our community, elevate our area, his schools and all that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to cut you all, but no, you're good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We talk about the goat debate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did something that Mike did, but longer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I never knew.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He probably didn't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I never knew the name Tony cool coach.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Tell Mike.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These guys were irrelevant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like all the supporting cans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Steve Curry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Steve Curry, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I started to really like Dennis Robinson when he was on the board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was a trash man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was shooting, he didn't get to rebound, put it back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Trust man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So all these got looped lonely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still remember them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen them on play since the 90s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember them because of MJ.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you think of who played with LeBron, Booby.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, all these guys that deli, you know, have loved, you know, and they're on the limelight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The brun brought these guys to a level that they wouldn't have reached if it wasn't for if not for LeBron.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's still doing it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the testament to LeBron over Jordan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When Jordan left the bulls, he might as well have retired for good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When he retired the first time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just walk out in the sunset.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because LeBron is still doing that long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Javadi says it all in a status and to not quite about no.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, you're good because I also agree that the game has changed so much even in LeBron's era, I'm not saying it didn't change in Jordan's era, but certainly for LeBron to play 20 years, the pace, the threes, the game is so different and he adapts and he's able to play in different eras of the game.
16:03
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's still there's times Josh watching that rocket series last year at 40 years old and I go they can't stop him.
16:13
[SPEAKER_03]: They were there were times that he came down and I go he's getting a bucket he's not going to be stopped.
16:18
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think again, if it is the calves, which at the end of the day, all I'm asking right now is they're in the conversation.
16:23
[SPEAKER_03]: And I do think they're in the conversation.
16:24
[SPEAKER_03]: There's reports that Rich Paul is kind of starting to get the feelers out and reach out to all the teams.
16:31
[SPEAKER_03]: I've heard some things that may be there.
16:34
[SPEAKER_03]: they have something on the table.
16:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll lock Kevin love when the first time you came back to save you guys can do this worrying or if this is a trade that you're willing to make over here we're back in on that.
16:44
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what it is.
16:45
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see how it goes.
16:46
[SPEAKER_03]: But at least it has been the conversation.
16:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even care if the calves don't win.
16:50
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just be fun to have them here.
16:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Funny though.
16:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean just like the
16:54
[SPEAKER_00]: This will be the last dance part two.
16:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
16:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Just like space damned.
17:02
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, my did it first.
17:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
17:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Mike did the last dance.
17:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Mike's was better.
17:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm sorry.
17:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, because it was a real series.
17:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the original.
17:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, cool.
17:12
[SPEAKER_00]: No movie sequel really is ever that good anyway, but I think I think LeBron should have did his own thing Yeah, it may have should have been different cartoons all together I'd or just a different movie.
17:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, completely.
17:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but he was in some you know, it's just sometimes That's that's a classic because space down to me part one
17:33
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a class absolute class it was just a class it was MJ it was the looney tool that we all watched and loved And then you know, they tried to repeat but it's not to say I get what they were shooting for we were kids then yeah Oh, yeah, so I was in it.
17:48
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so the kids necessarily wasn't in to this LeBron episode The kids of yesterday years who are adults now trying to to watch the nostalgia you're trying to grab the nostalgia
17:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and that's like when we watch the one with the kids, you're like, everybody loved Mugsie Bogs and you're like, oh my god, Mugsie Bogs is it, this, you know, I love that.
18:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was so much fun, but, you know, for Bron, I think there is an LA element of wants to stay out there, his businesses are out there, things are going, but yeah.
18:15
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm with you.
18:15
[SPEAKER_03]: I will see Cavs are in it.
18:17
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't expect this to happen any time before the holiday like I think he's really gonna take everything in But I also believe that there's other moves.
18:24
[SPEAKER_03]: He wants to see how things shake out.
18:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Why coming back to the east that changes they out look at the east a little bit I still think LeBron is same thing talking with the warriors, right?
18:37
[SPEAKER_00]: See, Matt, you make me, I'm emotional now.
18:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess it's like, there you go.
18:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's a possibility, after hearing because now I got to put some filters out and reach out to it.
18:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, I might have to reach out to mom dukes.
18:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, LeBron's mom, she's active in the community still, and just to say, hey, Mom, what do you think?
18:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Chances, hi, Lowe.
19:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm coming back to next Wednesday show a big play Cleveland live with Josh myself next Wednesday Maybe we'll have a little something for you.
19:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Josh want to flip over a little bit of football with you because I thought this was interesting of ESPN They did their grades for the offseason.
19:13
[SPEAKER_03]: We're obviously in the in the break
19:16
[SPEAKER_03]: and we're into getting them to training camp.
19:18
[SPEAKER_03]: So what do you think they give the Browns for the offseason?
19:20
[SPEAKER_03]: So again, recap of the big miles gear trade.
19:23
[SPEAKER_03]: They completely remake the offensive line.
19:25
[SPEAKER_03]: They get to your adverse back for miles.
19:27
[SPEAKER_03]: They draft Spencer Fano.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They get Denzel Boston, Casey, conception.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, would you guess what they gave?
19:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: they probably, you know, we are not, you know, we don't get a lot of love.
19:38
[SPEAKER_00]: We got a really good draft grade feeling of void.
19:41
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think they gave us what to see minus.
19:44
[SPEAKER_03]: They gave us a B.
19:45
[SPEAKER_03]: B plus, you know, and so this article was done.
19:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I know that they're going to be bad.
19:51
[SPEAKER_03]: So Seth Walder does a lot of their analytic work.
19:53
[SPEAKER_03]: So he very much looks at like the numbers and things.
19:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Like a B is not bad.
19:56
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not.
19:57
[SPEAKER_03]: And he said he goes, he liked the miles trade.
20:00
[SPEAKER_03]: He liked the move.
20:03
[SPEAKER_03]: we all kind of understood where that had run its path a little bit and it just kind of came to a head.
20:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I did it.
20:09
[SPEAKER_03]: I did it.
20:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I did it.
20:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I did it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I did exactly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's very important.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I did it.
20:12
[SPEAKER_03]: I get it.
20:13
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like it.
20:13
[SPEAKER_00]: But if the Browns have we had not good.
20:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
20:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And we don't have a mouse girl to watch.
20:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
20:18
[SPEAKER_00]: At least we had a mouse girl.
20:20
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to toy around with their quarterback on time and make it look like we have an opportunity to win.
20:24
[SPEAKER_00]: If we don't get that, uh,
20:26
[SPEAKER_00]: verse, and I heard verses he said in really well, I just want this team to be in the conversation late and that'll be a job well done for me.
20:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
20:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think, but I don't think they have to make it to the playoffs.
20:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I want them to.
20:42
[SPEAKER_00]: But being the conversation to give them a give us a like let it you know how we always have a path I don't want it to be these three teams got all loose out.
20:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and this how you know miracle I wanted to actually be hey we win these last two we in yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah If it's something like that I can be proud of and it's a hard for you know We just want we just lost that you know, then I can be proud of it
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think there's an element that the Browns could be just a quarterback away.
21:11
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's, I'm sure a lot of time you guys are playing.
21:14
[SPEAKER_03]: You felt like you were close or you felt like you were starting to build something.
21:18
[SPEAKER_03]: But the quarterback just brings the stability where I'm not saying you're going to make the playoffs every year.
21:22
[SPEAKER_03]: But if we find it,
21:24
[SPEAKER_03]: at least we feel every year we can and yeah somebody could get hurt like the bangles at least they have joe burry out their defense was trash they kind of got to fixed up their fixed offense line but at least with a joe burrow with a lima with a pattern homes you feel like you have a chance every single year and and that's all it and that's it and the rounds at this point have addressed everything except the quarterback you think munkin is on a short lease
21:49
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you'd be a great person to get, get thoughts on this.
21:54
[SPEAKER_03]: So here's my take on Todd Munkin or first time head coaches, right?
21:58
[SPEAKER_03]: That the majority of them get two years.
22:02
[SPEAKER_03]: Unless you're Rob Chaginski, you were there for all you saw.
22:05
[SPEAKER_03]: So you get two years and within those two years at some point you have got to show the organization I know how to win football games and it could be within a six and ten season but you won three out of four you won a stretch of games you show them you show them I know how to do this
22:27
[SPEAKER_03]: And it doesn't mean it's always going to work, but at least as a first time coach you know Mike McCarthy and Pittsburgh and I have to do that he goes look at the super ring right I got it you know I know how to do it that's Todd monkey's job and that's where even going back to the quarterback debate that's why I think maybe he leans to Sean because it doesn't matter when within that two years he does that he's just got to do it at some point you know tough tough task ahead of him.
22:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, to transform this Cleveland team into a cop, a, you know, one that competes.
22:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
22:57
[SPEAKER_00]: That's in it.
22:58
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good word.
22:59
[SPEAKER_00]: You can show, just like you said, I think a stretch, right?
23:03
[SPEAKER_00]: That, yeah, that's, they're good football team.
23:05
[SPEAKER_00]: We can do it.
23:05
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not trash.
23:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
23:06
[SPEAKER_00]: They're good football team.
23:08
[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, tell everybody quick here before we let you go, like, as a player, don't you want that belief in your coach, too?
23:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it their trust that guy?
23:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Go, we will follow this guy.
23:16
[SPEAKER_03]: He knows what he's doing over here.
23:17
[SPEAKER_00]: The biggest thing for a player to trust a coach is he has to be the same person on day one.
23:23
[SPEAKER_00]: That he is on day 30, day 45.
23:25
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
23:26
[SPEAKER_00]: He can't when when when the fire starts.
23:29
[SPEAKER_00]: He can't be under pressure and start going crazy and yelling all of a sudden or acting out of like,
23:37
[SPEAKER_00]: a coach did that before.
23:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I ain't gonna say this name, but a coach did it.
23:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, whoa, what was this guy?
23:44
[SPEAKER_00]: He felt the pressure and he was changed from this relaxed guy all of a sudden, oh, oh, you, I've never met this guy and this coach, you know, the guy, but he just makes you uneasy.
23:57
[SPEAKER_00]: It does.
23:58
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't feel good about it.
23:58
[SPEAKER_00]: He has to be that commander.
24:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe because of his age as well.
24:03
[SPEAKER_00]: that helps him be.
24:06
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a great point.
24:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
24:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Over a younger coach who they were looking for at first.
24:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Older season guy who's been there and done that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's played in coaching at MC North.
24:15
[SPEAKER_00]: He coach for the Browns.
24:16
[SPEAKER_00]: He knows how it is.
24:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm rooting for him.
24:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think you have success at it.
24:19
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope so.
24:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Josh, I was appreciate you, man.
24:21
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll be back on Wednesday with Josh.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, back here on the Big Play Cleveland show, Matt Fontana, Ryan Tyler.
25:02
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25:09
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to talk to Sam Amico coming up in a little bit, Hoopswire.
25:13
[SPEAKER_03]: So we're back in and again, man, Ronald Braunloch.
25:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't that feel weird?
25:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, we've done this now.
25:17
[SPEAKER_03]: What?
25:17
[SPEAKER_03]: This would be the fourth time, I guess.
25:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Third time that we've done that.
25:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you want to, is the apology, the last segment of the show, or do you want to just get out of the way now?
25:30
[SPEAKER_02]: How many times did you tell me I was out of my mind that LeBron was going to okay all right and by the way, you Brian I could go into the archives.
25:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I could go into the archives one day and I'm sure there's some so many damning Well done right and you're right.
25:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
25:47
[SPEAKER_03]: to L.A.
25:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not jumping away.
25:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to jump in the lake now.
25:51
[SPEAKER_03]: It's 97 freaking degrees outside of jumping like water was packed.
25:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I could find a flip if I tried hard enough.
25:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, there.
25:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Of you saying you would shave your beard if LeBron came back to Cleveland.
26:01
[SPEAKER_03]: We did beards for brunt.
26:02
[SPEAKER_03]: Did I ever tell you that?
26:03
[SPEAKER_03]: The first time you was coming back, we did beards for brunt.
26:06
[SPEAKER_03]: And everybody grew their beard out.
26:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I've much grew one of the most impressive beards.
26:11
[SPEAKER_03]: I think for
26:13
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never seen much of the beer before or after, but he had one and it was Beards for Braun.
26:18
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, Sam Amico was willing to go that far to get LeBron James back, but we'll find out he joins, of course, you can see Sam, part of our coverage here on a big play, but hoops, a wire, Sam Amico hoops on Twitter, Sam really appreciate Charmer back at it again because it was just a week ago that I asked you if you felt that it could be Braun or
26:41
[SPEAKER_03]: you felt like it was leaning towards the brun.
26:44
[SPEAKER_03]: So at this point, Sam, all we have is Lebron is not going back to LA.
26:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I've heard and tell me your thoughts that he'd it's not going to be a sign in trade.
26:55
[SPEAKER_03]: He's truly going to be an unrestricted free agent.
26:57
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no point doing a a sign in trade.
26:59
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's just going to be out there and available.
27:01
[SPEAKER_03]: LeBron is reportedly called rich Paul go out.
27:05
[SPEAKER_03]: See what these other teams are offering.
27:07
[SPEAKER_03]: See what he's on the table and things like that.
27:10
[SPEAKER_03]: And then it comes out today from Shams, Terania that he is willing to take the veteran minimum.
27:16
[SPEAKER_03]: for the right position and the right system right fit all of those kind of things.
27:21
[SPEAKER_03]: We know the calves are in this.
27:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe the warriors are in it.
27:24
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe the heat are in it.
27:25
[SPEAKER_03]: People want to believe the spurs.
27:27
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just it's been a crazy 24 hours Sam.
27:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Just your thoughts on where LeBron is at right now and where you might think on fold over the next week, week and a half.
27:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
27:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just taking a wild stab at it, but
27:46
[SPEAKER_01]: pretty much the ones he's been connected to, right?
27:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to me, it's anybody's guess.
27:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that you could make a case for the three teams he's been connected to with the calves, warriors, and he, you could make a pretty decent case for all of them.
28:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that you could make the strongest case for the calves, and maybe I'm a little bit biased, but, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: home has a way to draw on your back.
28:15
[SPEAKER_01]: He's people have said this over and over again.
28:17
[SPEAKER_01]: How moved he was by that tribute that they had in Cleveland when the late Bruce came this season.
28:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen LeBron that emotional.
28:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, I've been covering him since he came in the league, but
28:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that just felt a little different.
28:37
[SPEAKER_01]: It felt like LeBron's not going back to the Lakers.
28:41
[SPEAKER_01]: He might retire or he's got something else planned because he was just very, very emotional that night, teared up, you know, and really was exhibiting emotion in the press conference.
28:55
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that Cleveland would make the most sense from a, yeah, this is the franchise that drafted you.
29:03
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the team that you came back to and led to a championship.
29:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And now you can book end your career back with the caps.
29:12
[SPEAKER_01]: That said, that's obviously no insight information, but it's just what I think would make the most sense.
29:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think also Sam from a basketball standpoint, the calves are better than the warriors.
29:26
[SPEAKER_03]: The heat, I'm going to say the calves are better than the heat.
29:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Even though they're both in the east, I think it hurts the warriors being in the west as competitive as it is.
29:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I get the draw to play with stuff.
29:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I get the draw that he'd still be home, you know, close to LA.
29:38
[SPEAKER_03]: going to Miami that would be I guess fun with the honest, but when I just look from it exes and owes roster basketball standpoint, if he's still trying to win another ring, which I don't see him, I get into this argument with somebody that go, well, bronze in a ring chasing anymore and I go, what do you mean?
29:54
[SPEAKER_03]: What else is there?
29:55
[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't need the money.
29:57
[SPEAKER_03]: If he wants to go have fun and play with staff, okay, there's nothing you can do about that.
30:01
[SPEAKER_03]: He's going to go do that.
30:02
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think for a chance to legitimately win a ring and cap it off, there is no better place than Cleveland realistic.
30:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
30:11
[SPEAKER_03]: God, I hope he didn't go to the funder.
30:12
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to see him on the spurs.
30:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to see him go to the Celtics.
30:16
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think of legit options with everything you're talking about, which I agree, but a solid roster and especially if he takes a small contract and gives them some flexibility if they make another trade, it just seems like
30:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely wouldn't go up west.
30:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't stay out west.
30:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even if you join the warriors, all you're doing there is kind of saying, look how fun this is, every night's an event.
30:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, we've got stuff.
30:46
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got LeBron.
30:47
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got dream on.
30:48
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't sound like they're going to get into any Davis.
30:50
[SPEAKER_01]: But even just those three.
30:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, it's like it.
30:55
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a traveling concert series is what it is.
30:59
[SPEAKER_01]: But are you getting past the thunder?
31:00
[SPEAKER_01]: You're getting past the spurs.
31:01
[SPEAKER_01]: You're getting past the nuggets or even get past the timber wolves.
31:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, now, if you do that, yes, you're having fun and it's a huge deal and all this.
31:11
[SPEAKER_01]: and, you know, you're the greatest show in basketball, but are you winning?
31:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So I would definitely, if I'm him, stay out of the West, especially when home is calling your name.
31:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And home is where you're, but loved.
31:26
[SPEAKER_01]: You go to listen, we saw what happened with the Lakers Lakers fans turned on him.
31:31
[SPEAKER_01]: You go to Golden State, that team's not really gonna say if they don't win anything.
31:38
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're gonna turn on you pretty quick.
31:40
[SPEAKER_01]: and Cleveland, it won't matter.
31:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And let's just say this.
31:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, granted, LeBron is not the same player, but the caps are so much more set up than when he left the Miami Heat who had been to four finals for a calves team that didn't go to the playoffs in all four years he was gone in 2014.
31:58
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're exactly right, Matt.
32:00
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, you know, this is a great opportunity of the three teams that you're talking about, you know, Miami.
32:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's obviously two a good situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you weigh everything, Miami is not home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Miami, you're not going to be as beloved as you are in Cleveland.
32:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're the perfect fit on the cast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're perfect fit.
32:28
[SPEAKER_01]: So on a team that's getting closer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's
32:34
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I would think that would be something that he would think about.
32:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Sam and Mikko joining us course read everything hoopswired.com, follow Sam on Twitter and Mikko hoops.
32:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Sam, there's a lot of scottobut that there's a move to correspond with LeBron and I saw funny when they go, somebody not necessarily in the know.
32:53
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was just a funny post where they go.
32:55
[SPEAKER_03]: If you don't think LeBron knows exactly where he's going and the player he's bringing with him, you haven't followed his career because he knows where he wants to go and what he wants to do.
33:05
[SPEAKER_03]: There is some thought.
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[SPEAKER_03]: that there might be a move a lot Kevin love where he said, hey, if you can get this done, I'm in, do you feel like that could be the case here and just any thoughts on if there could be a move like that, what it would be?
33:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm with that individual whoever said that.
33:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he probably already knows.
33:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, this is all just guesswork, but no, I think if he goes to a situation
33:37
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... he he knows that the team will build around him i don't think he says you know if he was going to say anybody was a package deal would have been him and briny he's not going to say i need to have a washed up kevin love to uh... you know not not nothing against kevin love but i don't think that that's going to be something that lebron would say well if you don't get kevin love you know i'm going to go to the charlotte hornets i i think it's i think it's more like uh...
34:06
[SPEAKER_01]: one situation to I fit best in.
34:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I already know in Cleveland that they're going to build around me, right?
34:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Could it be jailing Brown though Sam like with that be too big for Brown to sit there and say pull the trigger on that Evan mobile jailing Brown deal.
34:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he could say something like that, but I don't know at this point I think that you almost.
34:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Rather, listen, if LeBron comes back to Cleveland any place for the minimum, he's probably coming back to a situation that he thinks is pretty good as is.
34:43
[SPEAKER_01]: like you guys just went to the Eastern Conference Finals.
34:46
[SPEAKER_01]: You have this really nice young big man.
34:49
[SPEAKER_01]: James Harden all help.
34:50
[SPEAKER_01]: James Harden unleashed mobly.
34:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't foresee him demanding that they do anything.
34:58
[SPEAKER_01]: When it comes back, I think they would certainly get his input if he were to come back to Cleveland.
35:05
[SPEAKER_01]: They would, you know, try to build around him.
35:08
[SPEAKER_01]: But listen, they would,
35:10
[SPEAKER_01]: their needs are there needs they're going to still go out and try to get some more shooting they're going to try to get another big guy these are all things that they need with or without LaBron but be easier to kind of explore your pathways to improve but I don't I don't foresee him coming back and saying you got a trade for Jalen Brown and all this I just don't see that happening.
35:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Final thing, Sam, the moves that we have seen already for the Cavs.
35:40
[SPEAKER_03]: We know Dean Wade, he's on his way to Philly, Mike Gansy, who just got that job there, came from Cleveland, makes a little sense there.
35:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Keon Ellis, also signing a deal.
35:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Thoughts on Max, Struc's future with the Cavs, potentially done as Schroeder.
35:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess just taking the giant elephant out of the room of LeBron and the Cavs, what other moves are you kind of circling right now for the wine and gold?
36:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, after losing Wade and how us?
36:06
[SPEAKER_01]: without even without LeBron, you've got to make a trade to shore up that.
36:11
[SPEAKER_01]: You just lost probably your two best perimeter defenders on a team that was shaky on perimeter defense.
36:19
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, there are aware of that.
36:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Max Drew's is the one trade chip that we keep hearing that's very realistic in terms of him being moved so that they can, you know,
36:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Jalen Tyson, I think, is probably ready to step into that role.
36:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's probably nobody happier in Cleveland right now that Jalen Tyson, you know, oh, you traded two guys who I kind of competed with for playing time.
36:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I think they're shown a little bit of faith in Jalen Tyson, but they also know, listen, we've got to find a way to improve defensively on the perimeter as well as the basket.
36:59
[SPEAKER_01]: at least in reserve, so I think that those are two areas that they would shore up and frankly, Max Strus is your biggest train ship because we've seen a place, a hustle guy, a place hard, he has an expiring contract, just everything adds up for them to potentially trade Max Strus.
37:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about Shrouder.
37:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think you're going to find too many take-makers
37:29
[SPEAKER_01]: which they don't have.
37:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Now they can acquire picks in another deal, make it easier to move him.
37:37
[SPEAKER_01]: If that's what something they want to do.
37:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're exploring that, but they're just not finding any takers because of Dennis's contract and and really kind of very inconsistent productivity.
37:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Sam really appreciate it.
37:52
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure we will have you on sooner rather than later whatever that news breaks of refer LeBron is going well.
37:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Hope it's Cleveland.
37:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Go read him hoopswire.com, follow him on Twitter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: At Amico hoops have a great holiday weekend Sam and like I said, I'm sure we'll be talking to you very very soon.
38:08
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, sounds good, man.
38:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be coming in one of these days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you then.
38:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, welcome, y'all.
38:12
[SPEAKER_03]: And that might be the next time to have Sam in.
38:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Is the big LeBron extravaganza?
38:17
[SPEAKER_03]: If he actually comes in.
38:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, who?
38:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Sam or LeBron?
38:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Sam.
38:21
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm giving him flack.
38:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
38:23
[SPEAKER_03]: More likely to happen.
38:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Sam comes in here.
38:24
[SPEAKER_03]: LeBron comes in here.
38:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, LeBron, LeBron, LeBron, LeBron by far.
38:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Sam's all the way out and I don't want to give his location away.
38:30
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't do that.
38:31
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't do that.
38:31
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's not in Cleveland.
38:33
[SPEAKER_03]: So he doesn't have the private jet quite like a LeBron does.
38:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think
38:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, um, edit back me to why I haven't ever been talking.
38:40
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, it like Sam said it's we're in this spot right now where I feel like there's there's there's more to be known about where a brown is that but you're not going to know it.
38:54
[SPEAKER_03]: So like I didn't interview Norris Cole this week former Cleveland State player and he played with Brown for a couple years and this this quote stuck out to me.
39:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Norris said this.
39:02
[SPEAKER_03]: He was the one thing about LeBron James, you will not know what he wants to do or what he's going to do until he wants you to know.
39:11
[SPEAKER_03]: You will not hear it.
39:12
[SPEAKER_03]: They are not leeks in that camp.
39:15
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't let that out until it's actually known.
39:18
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm going to use the term game right now because they can't think of a better one.
39:22
[SPEAKER_03]: But you know, inherently has a negative connotation to it.
39:25
[SPEAKER_03]: But here's what I'm saying.
39:26
[SPEAKER_03]: He's playing the game.
39:28
[SPEAKER_03]: He's playing the game.
39:29
[SPEAKER_03]: It's LeBron.
39:31
[SPEAKER_03]: And I know that bothers people because we've dealt with it for so long here in this town.
39:34
[SPEAKER_03]: That is what you get with LeBron.
39:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Because he's a superstar.
39:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Beyond that, he's been in the league for 24 years.
39:46
[SPEAKER_03]: He's seen some things, he knows GMs, he knows what's the inner workings of the league.
39:53
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's funny, Ryan, when I see the report that Bronis told Rich Paul to start gathering information on these teams.
40:02
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't need that.
40:03
[SPEAKER_03]: They have all the information.
40:04
[SPEAKER_03]: They always have because they're in the know there is no more powerful agent in basketball than rich Paul.
40:12
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's borderline no more powerful player, maybe in league history, then LeBron.
40:17
[SPEAKER_03]: They know what it is.
40:18
[SPEAKER_03]: They know what the offer is from the heat.
40:20
[SPEAKER_03]: They know what the calves are offering.
40:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I do...
40:23
[SPEAKER_03]: for a second, subscribe that I do think there's something like Kevin love and I was talking about Sam, I meant like back when we traded for him for Minnesota where LeBron was like, if I come, I need you to pull the trigger on this trade, I do think there's a move like that.
40:39
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what it is, but it's got to be realistic.
40:43
[SPEAKER_03]: It can't trade Max Cruz for for Shay, you know what I mean?
40:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Like there's going to have to be some realistic on that.
40:53
[SPEAKER_03]: What did Choms say today?
40:55
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll play for those that minimum.
40:56
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all these things keep pointing back to the calves.
41:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I love Josh Krebs to death man.
41:03
[SPEAKER_03]: And I know he's tempered and doesn't want to jump in.
41:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Cannonball in the deep end of Braun coming back.
41:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm already in the water, man.
41:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Come on in.
41:11
[SPEAKER_03]: It's nice and warm.
41:13
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm with this.
41:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Now the problem is, and we'll ask you this, Ryan, who somebody who has been on the LeBron train before he'd even pulled into the station.
41:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you going to be really upset if he doesn't come to the gaps now the warrior's thing is different because you'll be upset that he just went to the wars.
41:32
[SPEAKER_03]: But let's just say that he out of nowhere decides to go play for the Denver Nuggets.
41:35
[SPEAKER_03]: He calls the spurs but he just he doesn't come to Cleveland.
41:40
[SPEAKER_03]: How much is that going to bother you see I
41:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I'll really be bothered at all.
41:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll even take it a step further.
41:45
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not gonna be nearly as bothered as a lot of people will be if he does go to Golden State.
41:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I understand why people are.
41:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know the argument, but again, Matt.
41:55
[SPEAKER_02]: 42 years old, he maybe has one good season left to his, I guess I shouldn't say that it's LeBron James.
42:01
[SPEAKER_02]: He's earned to go where he wants.
42:03
[SPEAKER_02]: He's earned the right to have the most fun he can in his last season, and I don't think there's a more fun option than playing with Steph Curry in California.
42:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
42:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Comes down too.
42:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
42:12
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you want?
42:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you want your last season to be the most fun you've ever had?
42:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Or do you want to come try a win a championship because it's right there in our faces, Matt.
42:19
[SPEAKER_02]: There's two clear paths.
42:20
[SPEAKER_02]: It's which one is he going to choose?
42:22
[SPEAKER_03]: I said this on Twitter.
42:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll say it here on the show.
42:25
[SPEAKER_03]: If LeBron James goes to the Golden State Warriors, he's joining them with KD still there.
42:31
[SPEAKER_03]: I know, but him joining that franchise will bother me so much more than him leaving the second time.
42:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's literally gonna be the decision.
42:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Him joining the Warriors if he did go to Golden State.
42:45
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not even a Steph hatred.
42:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually don't hate Steph Curry.
42:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I have nothing for against him.
42:52
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just that was the rival that was the team that you set out to beat every single year.
43:03
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the team that you met four straight finals.
43:06
[SPEAKER_03]: I know people want to argue and say, well, we won the most important one.
43:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Your damn right you did.
43:11
[SPEAKER_03]: We almost, I blame the Celtics more for that first year because if they just hadn't dislocated Kevin loves freaking Kelly a lint and go to hell.
43:19
[SPEAKER_03]: If they dislocated Kevin loves shoulder and Kyrie didn't break his kneecap, we're talking about a different team than that first year, you came back you wanted, but I will never.
43:28
[SPEAKER_03]: get over them, getting Kevin Durant.
43:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Did they do anything wrong?
43:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Did they cheat like the Astros?
43:35
[SPEAKER_03]: No, but it all, you know what it felt like.
43:38
[SPEAKER_03]: It felt not right.
43:39
[SPEAKER_03]: It felt scummy, it felt cheated.
43:43
[SPEAKER_03]: And I will never forgive them for that as an organization.
43:46
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not me knocking stuff.
43:48
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not even me knocking dream on.
43:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Same thing.
43:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I know we get to bad rap for how we plays and gets with the rest of an on-kind of stuff.
43:55
[SPEAKER_03]: I really don't have anything for her against.
43:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I've said that about the players since that rivalry is over.
44:01
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have anything for against the Warriors players, but I still got it for the organization.
44:05
[SPEAKER_03]: I still got it for that organization.
44:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't help.
44:11
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't help.
44:12
[SPEAKER_03]: I completely understand what I'm trying.
44:15
[SPEAKER_03]: My heart will not.
44:16
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't take that.
44:18
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't take scene him in that jersey and you're right at the end of the run.
44:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
44:23
[SPEAKER_02]: I had this debate.
44:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
44:24
[SPEAKER_02]: I would rather see him in a golden state uniform than a Boston Celtic uniform.
44:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that is true or false.
44:29
[SPEAKER_03]: That's Kate.
44:29
[SPEAKER_03]: That's Katie.
44:30
[SPEAKER_03]: That's I'm just literally going to go find the best team and jump on that.
44:34
[SPEAKER_03]: It'd be him joining the funder.
44:35
[SPEAKER_03]: That'd be him going to the spurs, right?
44:38
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think there's an element of the brun who's always been a leader throughout
44:43
[SPEAKER_03]: for him to go join another team, right?
44:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, did you go, you know, that's one beast team.
44:48
[SPEAKER_03]: That's Chase, he comes to Cleveland, like, and the Ottomans team, but kind of be wrong.
44:55
[SPEAKER_03]: He's 42, let the man do it he wants.
44:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's what I'm saying, that's what we're talking about with Josh, like I think he just comes in and he commands respect and he's gonna,
45:06
[SPEAKER_03]: forward where the calves are at on this timeline right like you would look at it and say it's pretty linear progression we were here then we got a little better then we got a little better again and we got a little better again we just keep going a little further in the class so like reason to think like okay we'll be in the finals next year right uh and there's that crazy set was the last four teams to lose in the eastern conference finals the next year they're in the finals okay i'd love that trend to continue because the calves are being the finals
45:34
[SPEAKER_03]: And whoever you play or however you get there, okay, all that aside, you need him as a player, number one, but you need LeBron, the person, maybe even more than the player, because this team is severely lacking leadership, toughness, grit, fighting through the adversity is something I do not think this
46:04
[SPEAKER_03]: That all changes from the bronze James walks to that door.
46:07
[SPEAKER_03]: That all changes.
46:09
[SPEAKER_03]: In another part,
46:11
[SPEAKER_03]: he knows the organizational do what's needed to go in a championship.
46:15
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's a, I think that is such a massive part of this decision with bronze.
46:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, there's one side of it where you would say, it's actually a negative for Cleveland because Ben there done that already gone there.
46:27
[SPEAKER_03]: I already know what it's all about.
46:29
[SPEAKER_03]: You want something maybe fresh or new.
46:30
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's the Warriors kind of, um, this.
46:36
[SPEAKER_03]: It's almost like a midlife crisis.
46:38
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, oh, I got to go do the thing I never did.
46:40
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was in my 20s.
46:41
[SPEAKER_03]: I got to run off and get a motorcycle or go, you know, go skydiving.
46:45
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what the Warriors feels like to me, where he's been in the league for 24 years, and he's maybe always wanted to play alongside staff and never got that.
46:54
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is like his end to career midlife crisis, where he's like, I got to run off and do this.
46:58
[SPEAKER_03]: But the calves, he knows it, and you could say, it's the same thing that could be been there done that.
47:05
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to go back to that.
47:06
[SPEAKER_03]: But the other side of it is you know the calves.
47:08
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the same thing.
47:09
[SPEAKER_03]: You know Dan Gilbert is willing to spend money to do what's needed to go into the apron, to bring in the right teams to go win.
47:15
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, well, it's too bad we're moving the facility in the convenience, but you know, they put that there just for LeBron.
47:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you know that?
47:22
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I did not.
47:23
[SPEAKER_03]: They built someone Dan bought the team.
47:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Have you ever been to the facility in Independence?
47:28
[SPEAKER_03]: No, for Rockside Road Offset.
47:29
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd tell you.
47:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd tell you.
47:31
[SPEAKER_03]: They literally put it there because it'll run because you would be coming up from Akron Off 77.
47:35
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why they put the facility out there.
47:36
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's beautiful.
47:37
[SPEAKER_03]: It's nice.
47:37
[SPEAKER_03]: But now they're building the new one down on the river, which is supposed to be really nice.
47:42
[SPEAKER_03]: So sorry about it.
47:43
[SPEAKER_03]: We moved it downtown.
47:44
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I haven't really heard anybody talk about this either is Kenny Ackinson and the Braun James.
47:49
[SPEAKER_02]: There's always that talk about that.
47:50
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good point between the player and the coach when the Braun is going to come in and it's be honest.
47:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe coach more than Kenny Ackinson does.
47:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think, remember, they were quick to bring him back and make that announcement that they weren't swaying from Kenny Hills and do you think that plays into it at all?
48:05
[SPEAKER_03]: It may still feel better about that.
48:06
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, when you feel better about Kenny, it's a problem when you feel better about that.
48:10
[SPEAKER_02]: There's just a David Platte also at once got LeBron stamp of a proof.
48:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but actually, I don't.
48:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, story for another day.
48:19
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a big play at night.
48:22
[SPEAKER_03]: What do we want you to that?
48:24
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll launch big play at night, you and I play video games, and we'll just hang out and have some beverages and tell stories when I'm supposed to tell people about it because you know I got them all that aside, you need you need the buy in from Kenny too because there's a What's the famous clip of Tyloo or and they're in the huddley snaps at bra and it goes I got this right, Tyloo is the only one who's challenged and that's why it works, but I think that is a little different
48:52
[SPEAKER_03]: in the bronze career now.
48:53
[SPEAKER_03]: And frankly, like I think Kenny and Donovan Mitchell are almost in like the same boat.
48:57
[SPEAKER_03]: They need the window championship and they don't really care how it works.
49:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Like if the bronze came here and Donovan and they want to ring, I would actually probably tell you Donovan would still probably be the finals MVP.
49:11
[SPEAKER_03]: I could be wrong on that.
49:12
[SPEAKER_03]: But like
49:14
[SPEAKER_03]: You can sit there and try to qualify, you can sit there and try to rip down of the Mitchell for winning a ring.
49:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, here to go get LeBron to do it.
49:19
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think anybody cares.
49:20
[SPEAKER_02]: LeBron is 42.
49:21
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe it's still playing, man.
49:24
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's my point.
49:25
[SPEAKER_02]: But for people, if that's an argument, they want to bring up.
49:28
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I think the argument thing.
49:30
[SPEAKER_03]: And you can always jump.
49:30
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't say this enough.
49:31
[SPEAKER_03]: You can jump on our Twitter chat if you'd like to join our conversation here every day on the YouTube side of things, big play.
49:38
[SPEAKER_03]: There are people that are always going to be scarred about Bronn.
49:43
[SPEAKER_03]: because of the decision, and I don't
49:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I get it he's admitted you know I get it and he's fully admitted, but you can't take it Well, like I I will never forget that night.
49:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I will never forget that pain It was embarrassed and that's what it was.
49:57
[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't even pain It was literally just embarrassing for all of us But the guy came back and wanted championship were good.
50:06
[SPEAKER_03]: I am but I understand people that aren't and he left And they got better because he left.
50:11
[SPEAKER_02]: They had to get worse to get better
50:14
[SPEAKER_02]: But, and everybody talks about that, if he doesn't leave Cleveland, who knows if they ever win a championship.
50:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the other thing is that there's the wake of destruction that people love to pin on bronze.
50:24
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not on LeBron.
50:25
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a wake of destruction when any star player leaves any team.
50:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'm not talking like Kevin Durant, leaving the Warriors.
50:32
[SPEAKER_02]: What's Kawaii leaving the clipers in?
50:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Look at that!
50:36
[SPEAKER_03]: I know I'm a lot of swearing YouTube, but we put this on the rock.
50:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Look at that blank hole that they got messed up out there with the clippers, because they had to go get Paul George, and not blame and cry for that.
50:47
[SPEAKER_03]: He was actually healthy, had a really good year.
50:49
[SPEAKER_03]: There is a wake of destruction when any star player leaves a team.
50:53
[SPEAKER_03]: But you're right.
50:54
[SPEAKER_03]: What happened the first time?
50:55
[SPEAKER_03]: We got Kyrie Irving.
50:57
[SPEAKER_03]: massive part of bra and come back.
50:59
[SPEAKER_03]: What happened the next time when he left?
51:01
[SPEAKER_03]: You got Darious Garland.
51:02
[SPEAKER_03]: You got Evan Mobley.
51:03
[SPEAKER_03]: You traded for Jared Allen and you're eventually what led to Donovan Mitchell.
51:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Here he are.
51:09
[SPEAKER_03]: You're right back in it.
51:10
[SPEAKER_03]: It's worked out.
51:12
[SPEAKER_03]: You could be the pelicans who have not been competitive ever.
51:19
[SPEAKER_03]: You could be the kings that got to what?
51:21
[SPEAKER_03]: The second round in 20 years or whatever it's been?
51:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes I talk about John, the calves being this consistent in this good for as long as they've been is in part because of LeBron James.
51:35
[SPEAKER_03]: He hadn't even played here almost a decade.
51:38
[SPEAKER_03]: He's been gone more than he's been here now, right?
51:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, it's getting close.
51:45
[SPEAKER_03]: He played eight years with the Lakers.
51:47
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think it's the longest tenure team at one time.
51:49
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the Lakers.
51:50
[SPEAKER_03]: At one time, right?
51:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Because he was here for seven.
51:53
[SPEAKER_03]: left came back to him, but it's like 11 years with the calves eight with the lakeers for with the heat.
51:59
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not quite.
52:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say he's actually been gone more than he's been here.
52:02
[SPEAKER_03]: But you get what I'm saying.
52:03
[SPEAKER_03]: He has helped elevate this franchise to where it is.
52:06
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, give a mass amount of credit to Dan Gilbert because he cuts Jackson, he learned he had to do all that stuff too.
52:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Which you trade, Kenny, I can say for Tyler right now.
52:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I would, and it's hard because you know where I was at at the end of that season, man.
52:21
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you shouldn't make rash decisions when you're angry, but brother was I, you know, who, you know, who's, who's, and that's not a thing.
52:32
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, who's eyes were locked in on that Eastern Conference finals was Lebron.
52:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
52:36
[SPEAKER_02]: You saw everything that can be did wrong.
52:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it's like it's coming back I wanted to let it you know I wanted to let us sleeping dog lie, but like there's a little part of me It's bringing that back about Kenny What about the nicks?
52:50
[SPEAKER_03]: What if he pulled some crazy instead I won't go play in New York?
52:53
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's a dark horse team don't know what he talk about, but that's one that I'm like Yeah, no, I mean that's I guess that goes there's no way he's going he's not gonna go to the team that just want to championship
53:05
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, that goes a right.
53:07
[SPEAKER_03]: I know way.
53:07
[SPEAKER_03]: He goes back to the Kevin Durant view and you don't want to do that.
53:10
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the worst one he could do right now.
53:12
[SPEAKER_02]: My opinion, the worst team he could possibly join is one that just wants to change it.
53:15
[SPEAKER_03]: How could you know, you might be right.
53:16
[SPEAKER_03]: You could just say, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I didn't really think about it that way, but you're, that would probably hurt his legacy more than anything, right?
53:24
[SPEAKER_02]: I hate golden state as much as everybody else because, yeah, they tore hearts out.
53:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
53:30
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not that same team.
53:32
[SPEAKER_02]: It's stuff extreme.
53:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, get it.
53:33
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Steve Curstill there, but like, let us sleep in dogland again.
53:37
[SPEAKER_03]: And that I don't think plays to LeBron so much.
53:41
[SPEAKER_03]: But here's the other thing that I think is so succinct.
53:43
[SPEAKER_03]: He's played for three teams.
53:44
[SPEAKER_03]: He won three championships.
53:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Or I'm not three who's won four, but you don't understand.
53:48
[SPEAKER_03]: He's won a championship for each of the teams.
53:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Go, good.
53:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Keep it that way.
53:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Why money the water?
53:55
[SPEAKER_03]: But also, his legacy is set, his legacy is set beyond reproach.
54:01
[SPEAKER_02]: He's good, he's good.
54:03
[SPEAKER_03]: And it goes back to the same thing with how I'm out Josh earlier.
54:05
[SPEAKER_03]: The goat debate is not worth having because you just can't argue with, it's like politics.
54:11
[SPEAKER_03]: You're not going to change their opinion.
54:13
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just not going to work.
54:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Some of the parties will talk about something else.
54:17
[SPEAKER_02]: LeBron versus MJ different areas different times.
54:25
[SPEAKER_03]: okay now you now you got me man we've been working together too long because now you know how to give me I actually think that would be pretty cool.
54:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
54:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean like cool.
54:37
[SPEAKER_03]: You kind of got you got me.
54:38
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm that way.
54:39
[SPEAKER_02]: People I thought that I think that would be what try to publicly execute us for stating that opinion.
54:43
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think that'd be pretty cool.
54:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I
54:46
[SPEAKER_03]: I think what would you rather watch the next after winning a ring together?
54:49
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I watch Boston when the championship.
54:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to watch Detroit when a chance you don't want to see the thunder.
54:53
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd rather watch the Bronn and Steph Curry.
54:55
[SPEAKER_03]: I just want Bronn to win a ring.
54:57
[SPEAKER_03]: That would be really cool.
54:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that may be above anything.
55:00
[SPEAKER_03]: No, that's not true because the cast winning a ring is number one.
55:04
[SPEAKER_03]: But it was the same way, and that's where some people different on how they viewed the Bromony left.
55:08
[SPEAKER_03]: When he left, I never had anything for against him.
55:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Like when the Lakers came to town, I wanted to beat him just because I want to win that game.
55:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, but like if we were going to win it, I'd like to see him make sure people that still act like he owes us anything.
55:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
55:21
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I, yeah.
55:23
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'll tell you this.
55:25
[SPEAKER_03]: There's fans that never liked, never liked him, never.
55:29
[SPEAKER_03]: And there was a diva dramatist to all of it and put it that closer to the prices you pay for a championship.
55:40
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what it takes when you have a star player.
55:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Now he can trip it to some of that shirt.
55:44
[SPEAKER_03]: We also got to remember he was 20, what eight, I mean, 18 when he was drafted, but when the calves really started when he was 22 years old,
55:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Learning how to navigate this world while leading a team.
55:56
[SPEAKER_03]: He had to learn, what do you all say about Miami?
55:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I had to go to college.
55:59
[SPEAKER_03]: I had to go learn.
56:00
[SPEAKER_02]: I had to go somewhere else for a little bit.
56:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he became a top five-like famous person ever in our generation, ever in the history of the world.
56:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
56:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, certainly athletes.
56:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like if I would think about that if I was to I was a monster.
56:13
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't maintain the most three famous people in the world you can right now.
56:16
[SPEAKER_02]: I bet you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you what a simple project.
56:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the other thing is beyond the calves thing.
56:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's it's an accurate thing.
56:22
[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, the Cleveland coming home thing.
56:28
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not high in my list.
56:29
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it is for him either.
56:32
[SPEAKER_03]: We men did a lot of bridges with that, but don't forget that he used to always say he's like, I'm not from Cleveland, I'm from Acre, and that is different.
56:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I think coming back to this fan base who he loves means a lot, and you know, you guys brought up or Sam brought up when he got emotional about that video tribute.
56:50
[SPEAKER_03]: The other thing, I'm going to seal this from Hayden, Hayden Grove had this.
56:52
[SPEAKER_03]: It was great to eat from him.
56:54
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't think it was lost on him that everybody cheered when Brownie got into that game, too, and scored some points, that Reen was rocking for Brownie.
57:02
[SPEAKER_03]: And I can even forget that.
57:04
[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't forget that.
57:06
[SPEAKER_03]: The Cleveland thing is aside, it's the fans and the organization that I think is going to put them in the forefront for Brown.
57:13
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's going to be this weekend.
57:15
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's going to do it next week.
57:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Fourth of July, dude, fireworks.
57:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, remember when Kevin Rant did that on 4th of July, but the thing is, all of those are, well, all the reporters are trying to enjoy their weekend.
57:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody's trying to get away for a little time off.
57:31
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'll be working Saturday and I tend to want to ask me to die anniversary.
57:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to get out of Goop.
57:36
[SPEAKER_03]: You really think I have somebody in my phone that could get me out of a traffic ticket?
57:40
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm seeing you.
57:41
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so sorry.
57:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, my point, what?
57:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, my point, what?
57:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to let you call Ryan Tyler.
57:45
[SPEAKER_02]: My point, what?
57:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Give me out of the thing to work as an excuse.
57:49
[SPEAKER_02]: But, choose using work as an excuse to break the law.
57:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, don't we all.
57:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
57:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't never mind.
57:56
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a family show never mind.
57:58
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
57:58
[SPEAKER_03]: We got to talk some guards.
57:59
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to wrap it up some things too with calves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The blue ones you remember those?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, come on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's just like a microcosm of the guardians right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is it not?
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's kind of exactly how I kind of framed this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, yeah, that is a perfect example of this stretch of play for the guardians.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're kind of just giving away.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When what are you going to do?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Man, and I feel, I'm not, so after for those of you don't know, Cooper and Goli caught a ball in left field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He threw away for the love of God.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Stop, put it on James.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, well, that too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's pretty, and that's it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't need to stop bonding in general.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a big fan of small ball.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love the small ball man, but I just, when you can't get a bump down continuously, David Frye is leading off today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The button just looks like the button is going to come on in the outfield.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The zone is out.
1:04:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Cooper Engle got bench.
1:04:29
[SPEAKER_02]: No surprise there.
1:04:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, you got to sit him after that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I get that sort of those didn't only caught it and you didn't know that it was only two outs into three through it into the stands.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a two-base throwing air.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they scored a right now.
1:04:40
[SPEAKER_03]: That other guy whoever was hit a home run after that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it didn't really matter all that much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We ended up losing anyway.
1:04:45
[SPEAKER_03]: But the problem is, again, you're getting good starting pitching.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you got to scrape across a couple of runs here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to get angry, but I can't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to get super angry about this team, but I can't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Think of playing about dolons if you want.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, spend money, go, go, make a trade.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What do you want them to do?
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're peace in this together.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, thank goodness, Cleo Watson has come up and looked good, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Think of Pazano.
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[SPEAKER_03]: OK, he's a rookie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he's not going to eat these in a while.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ah, Stephen Claw and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is he done?
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[SPEAKER_02]: If Stephen Quann plays great in the back half and they go to the postseason and he is a consistent contributor like has a rocchio type postseason.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think all of not all of the way have any hope that that's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a different question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I kind of do it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's bat slow and down.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She had stat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like the lowest hard hit percentage since Billy Hamilton.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Since Billy Hamilton.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Billy Hamilton.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like.
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[SPEAKER_03]: something wrong, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how you fix it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not my job, but again, with guard, same thing with the angle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to get angry, but that's just not the world I can live with.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's unfortunate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not way for Bruce's LeBron thoughts.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even think about that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I am interested to see what he has to say about it, too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, he and I will be back tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what we're doing shows on Friday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that's fine.
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