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Gaming Memories, Software Wars & Smart Devices That Spy | EP 492 · TechtalkRadio

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  Speaker 1: The following program is produced by the Tech Talk Radio Network. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: everybody out there in Radioland.
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  Speaker 2: This is James Young from the rock band Styx.
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  Speaker 1: If you are technically challenged, if you've got trouble with
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  Speaker 2: Because Lord knows I do, you need to listen to.
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  Speaker 1: Tech Talk Radio. And thank you for checking out another
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  Speaker 1: episode of Tech Talk Radio. I'm Andy Taylor.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Sean DeWeerd. Welcome back.
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  Speaker 1: So much going on before the end of the month, and,
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  Speaker 1: of course, you've still got to get your Halloween stuff in.
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  Speaker 2: And November's going to be crazy with eight. just a
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  Speaker 2: ton of releases for video games and other tech leading
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  Speaker 2: up to the eventual release of Grand Theft Auto 6.
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  Speaker 2: So it's just a ton of stuff coming.
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  Speaker 1: For gamers, Grand Theft Auto 6 is like, that's like
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  Speaker 1: the big one everybody's waiting for all year, right?
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  Speaker 2: I have zero interest in it. Yeah. It's not my
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  Speaker 2: style of game, but I have friends that are just like,
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be record time off for a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people, I think.
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  Speaker 1: Right. I'm going to show my age here. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to sound like the person who says, I played the original.
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  Speaker 1: I actually played the original Grand Theft Auto when it
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  Speaker 1: came out.
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  Speaker 2: It's on PlayStation. Yeah, they had Grand Theft Auto and
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  Speaker 2: then they had Grand Theft Auto London. And then it
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  Speaker 2: was top down. It was fun to play.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a fun game to play. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was the big difference. It was top down. And
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  Speaker 1: then everybody started going to these, you know, FPVs. And
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  Speaker 1: it was like, you know, why not? You're also waiting
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  Speaker 1: for Ocarina of Time. I know. I got to tell
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  Speaker 1: everybody about this. So my friends at Nintendo, They send
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  Speaker 1: us stuff once in a while and usually they'll send
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  Speaker 1: us like artwork. And they sent me the trailer for
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  Speaker 1: Ocarina of Time. And, you know, the game is coming out.
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  Speaker 1: This is the one that that Sean has been talking
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  Speaker 1: about for quite some time. It's one that you've really
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  Speaker 1: been looking forward to. And right away, I thought I
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  Speaker 1: got to send this to Sean. You know, this is
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  Speaker 1: right up his alley. So I, you know, forwarded the
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  Speaker 1: email to you so you could read it. And there
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  Speaker 1: it is. It's got the trailer for the new upcoming
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  Speaker 1: out Ocarina of Time. And your response to me was
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  Speaker 1: just hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, absolutely not. No spoilers. No, nothing. So
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't just the trailer, right? It had like a
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  Speaker 2: look ahead at what's coming up. So it had more
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  Speaker 2: than just the trailer, like the teaser trailer that was
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  Speaker 2: announced earlier, like a month or so ago. Right, right.
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  Speaker 2: I've been trying my hardest to avoid as much... spoiling
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  Speaker 2: as humanly possible for this, right? Because there is some changes. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: the graphics are a big one. Some of the style
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  Speaker 2: has changed. The spirit of the game apparently has not
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  Speaker 2: changed that much, but there's been some tweaks to some
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  Speaker 2: of the dungeons and things like that. So I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to spoil myself on it. I want it to
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  Speaker 2: feel like it was when I was a teenager, right?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 2: So I bought the special edition Switch. I finally got
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  Speaker 2: it through Nintendo. I spent a ton of time I
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  Speaker 2: got an app that tracked who had it, when it
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  Speaker 2: was in stock, and when they had stock. So you
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  Speaker 2: were waiting, yeah. I was waiting. So I finally ended
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  Speaker 2: up getting it. I got the Pro Controller also through
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  Speaker 2: the same process, and I bought the game. My Switch,
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  Speaker 2: I got a confirmation yesterday that said, hey, your shipment,
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  Speaker 2: it's coming out. You should have it in a couple days.
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  Speaker 2: I'm super excited to get it. So I bought the
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  Speaker 2: Special Edition. I bought the Ocarina of Time Remake. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm about to relive my early teenage years again, right?
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  Speaker 2: The long nights, spending time with my cousin and my brother,
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  Speaker 2: just taking turns playing this game. It was incredible, right?
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  Speaker 2: It's been living in my head for decades, right? This game.
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  Speaker 2: And I've replayed it over the years. I replayed through
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  Speaker 2: it when I got my analog 3D because I had,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I had to buy it. Well, first of all,
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  Speaker 2: I had to buy a new cartridge because who knows?
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  Speaker 2: I still don't know where all my cartridges ended up
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  Speaker 2: for that. The music, the atmosphere, that feeling of sitting
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  Speaker 2: down to play and suddenly realizing the entire afternoon is gone. Well,
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  Speaker 2: it won't be the afternoon. It'll be once the kids
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  Speaker 2: are asleep. It'll be six o'clock in the morning and
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  Speaker 2: Caitlin will be waking up wondering why I haven't gone
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  Speaker 2: to bed yet. And now I get to step back
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  Speaker 2: and relive all those memories.
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  Speaker 1: So you played the original game. Are they doing anything
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  Speaker 1: different with it? Are they adding or is they basically
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  Speaker 1: have remastered it? Maybe some Updated graphics, music. You don't
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  Speaker 1: know yet, right?
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  Speaker 2: So it's a remake. It's not a remaster.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So there is added content. To what extent? I don't
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  Speaker 2: know because I don't care to find out. I want
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  Speaker 2: to figure it out for myself in the game. Right.
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  Speaker 2: That's what's missing. That's one of the things I think
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  Speaker 2: that is missing in video games today is the sense
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  Speaker 2: of adventure. Right. Everybody just wants to get on, get
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  Speaker 2: the dopamine hit and get to the end game as
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  Speaker 2: quickly as humanly possible. And then complain there's no end
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  Speaker 2: game content to do because they've already done it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, isn't that kind of a boasting thing when a
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  Speaker 1: game comes out? That's a big game like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: any of the Call of Duty titles or, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Grand Theft Auto titles, Red Dead Redemption, whenever. But isn't
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  Speaker 1: that like kind of a thing to say, I finished
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  Speaker 1: it already? I've already gone through it.
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  Speaker 2: Good for you. There's a crowd that will want to
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  Speaker 2: just know what happens at the end. But then you
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  Speaker 2: have the crowd that takes months, weeks, months, whatever, to
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  Speaker 2: get through it and to go through every minute detail
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  Speaker 2: and 100% the game and find all the Easter eggs
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  Speaker 2: and do all this stuff. It's just there's such a
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  Speaker 2: culture for... living vicariously through streamers or living vicariously through
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  Speaker 2: what you read on the internet and not actually enjoying
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  Speaker 2: the content yourself. That's what I want to do. I
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  Speaker 2: want to enjoy the content myself at my own pace
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  Speaker 2: without outside influence because I want to compare it to
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  Speaker 2: how I felt about it. I don't even know how
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  Speaker 2: many years ago, a long time ago.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you think, do you think this is going
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  Speaker 1: to be a win for Nintendo?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. It's huge. I, the, the pre-sales have been
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  Speaker 2: outside of the scope of what they thought was possible. Um,
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  Speaker 2: it's considered to be one of the best, if not
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  Speaker 2: the best platform game that exists. Wow. Because it broke
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  Speaker 2: the mold on so many different genres in, in, in the,
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  Speaker 2: in the graphic styles and the, the immersiveness and things
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  Speaker 2: like that. So it was a game that changed the
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  Speaker 2: video game history, right? It's this game has so much
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  Speaker 2: influence on games that came after it. Um, Yeah. So,
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  Speaker 2: and just from what I saw from the release trailer,
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  Speaker 2: from the actual like teaser trailer stuff, it looks incredible. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But you haven't, you, you won't watch the trailer. I said,
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  Speaker 1: now I'm wondering, should we post that on our blog?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we should. I won't watch it. All right. But
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  Speaker 2: I think people that, people that have, you know, people
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  Speaker 2: that are my age, I, you know, I turned 40
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  Speaker 2: this year. Yeah. And that put me, I think I was,
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  Speaker 2: it came out in 97. Right. So I was 11.
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  Speaker 2: when it came out. Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, good memories.
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  Speaker 2: And if you have kids that are 11 or kids
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  Speaker 2: that are eight, nine, 10 years old that are into
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  Speaker 2: video games or into fantasy and adventure and puzzles and
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  Speaker 2: just exploring, this is the type of game you want
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  Speaker 2: them to get their hands on. You know, I, here's
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  Speaker 2: the thing. Some people have asked me about this, Sean gaming.
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  Speaker 2: Is gaming important anymore? Is gaming still something that kids
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  Speaker 2: should do?
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  Speaker 1: Because what we tend to see a lot now, and
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  Speaker 1: I might be wrong, but I think we see a
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  Speaker 1: lot of kids that get their hands on the devices.
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  Speaker 1: You know, parents say, OK, go ahead. And they scroll.
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  Speaker 1: And it's, you know, it's a scrolling thing. Let's see
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  Speaker 1: what's on TikTok or let's see what's on any of
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  Speaker 1: the other reels. And they're just scrolling. They're not actually
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  Speaker 1: immersing themselves into it. Which is something you do when
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  Speaker 1: you play a video game. Right. I mean, you're immersing
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  Speaker 1: into it.
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  Speaker 2: So Max has been big on playing puzzle games. Right.
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  Speaker 2: I have my little Game Boy emulator that emulates all
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  Speaker 2: sorts of old games. And he's been playing Bust-a-Move, which
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  Speaker 2: is a character-driven match three balls to match the color,
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  Speaker 2: and then you race against the clock, and you can
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  Speaker 2: play against the computer. He's been obsessed with it and
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  Speaker 2: he will focus and he will try to beat the
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  Speaker 2: games and gets frustrated when he can't beat it. And
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  Speaker 2: he wants to start over or, you know, learning things about,
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  Speaker 2: you know, just trial and error, figuring out how the
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  Speaker 2: puzzle works, figuring out better ways to beat the puzzle.
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  Speaker 2: If that way doesn't work, trying another attempt or another
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  Speaker 2: approach to beat the puzzle. He loves puzzles. So I
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  Speaker 2: knew he would love puzzle games. So he's been playing
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  Speaker 2: a lot of that. Bust a move, bubble, bobble, Dr. Mario,
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  Speaker 2: and Tetris. Those are the games he wants to play
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  Speaker 2: right now. Right. And he played Mario for a while, right?
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  Speaker 2: He could beat the first couple levels of the original Mario.
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  Speaker 2: We've been playing Mario Wonder, which is the most recent
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  Speaker 2: Switch release for Super Mario. And yeah, he likes those
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  Speaker 2: kind of games, but I don't just give him unfettered
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  Speaker 2: access to it, right? We play together. I watch him play.
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  Speaker 2: He watches me play. We take turns. We explain to
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  Speaker 2: each other what we're doing and how you should attempt
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  Speaker 2: to beat the levels and things like that. So it's not...
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  Speaker 2: There is a lot of risk in just handing a
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  Speaker 2: kid a tablet and saying, here you go, and endless,
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  Speaker 2: mindless scrolling.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We're not a tablet family. We're not going to do tablets.
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  Speaker 2: Video games are a little bit different. It's going to
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  Speaker 2: be a little bit more catered, right? We're going to be...
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  Speaker 2: They're not going to have unfettered access to it.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's what's important. I think... as a parent
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  Speaker 1: to six kids and being a grandparent, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: important that there is an immersiveness feature into it. That's
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  Speaker 1: a reason why I was talking to one of our listeners, Maggie, uh,
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  Speaker 1: about that and about the games and about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: what's good. And I recommend, and I still recommend this.
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  Speaker 1: It's called the next playground. And we've featured this before
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  Speaker 1: in the show. I did a TV segment on it.
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  Speaker 1: It's any X playground. And what they've done is they've
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  Speaker 1: created the ability for you to have this device and
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  Speaker 1: it sits in front of your TV and it's got
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  Speaker 1: a little camera.
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  Speaker 2: Lens on it.
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  Speaker 1: And you might be thinking, well, wait a minute, wait
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  Speaker 1: a minute. However, what you do is you play video
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  Speaker 1: games on your television, but you're in them. So if,
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  Speaker 1: if it's a matter, and these could be games that,
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  Speaker 1: and I mentioned that this, the next playground could be
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  Speaker 1: also great for those that are better seniors that maybe can't,
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  Speaker 1: you know, get out and do a lot of exercise.
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  Speaker 1: They actually have stuff there where you could be sitting
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  Speaker 1: in a chair and moving your arms along to the,
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  Speaker 1: the characters in the game that are there with you.
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  Speaker 1: So you see yourself, you see them and they're helping
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  Speaker 1: you move. Or it's a game like you, you mentioned
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  Speaker 1: Tetris or, you know, Mario games or something.
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  Speaker 2: A Bluey is.
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  Speaker 1: Very popular on next playground. That's a great, it's really
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  Speaker 1: a great console, a great way to get the kids
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  Speaker 1: to be immersed in the game, the game fun. We
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  Speaker 1: play games. I played games, you know, growing up from
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  Speaker 1: board games to when computers came around, then you could
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  Speaker 1: suddenly play, um, Emon Adventure, which I used to play,
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  Speaker 1: which was like Dungeons and Dragons. And it was a
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  Speaker 1: text-based game to, you know, Flight Sim to the original,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Grand Theft to Redneck Rampage and all those
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  Speaker 1: fun games. But I found the next playground to be
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  Speaker 1: something that was great for the kids because they had
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  Speaker 1: a fun time doing it.
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  Speaker 2: And they're pricey.
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  Speaker 1: They run about 280 bucks. And then you could buy
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  Speaker 1: a subscription for about 80 bucks. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it's gone up for the whole year. My year is
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  Speaker 1: going to be coming up soon. So games are automatically
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  Speaker 1: downloaded into it and you have a choice of games
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  Speaker 1: that you can play. And it's not just four or
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  Speaker 1: five games. We're talking 50 plus games. So this would
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  Speaker 1: be great for your kids too, Sean, for like a
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  Speaker 1: game night where you're all playing in front of the TV.
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  Speaker 1: I could see you doing that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd have to look into it. I've seen some
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  Speaker 2: other Reddit threads about it and seems to be pretty
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  Speaker 2: popular with parents, but it's not something we've looked into yet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, my grandkid would come over and He would have
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  Speaker 1: some fun. He's like, come on, let's play basketball. You
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  Speaker 1: do this and it's like your character is holding the
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  Speaker 1: ball and it shoots into the basket. I know they
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  Speaker 1: sell them at Walmart. They have them at Sam's. You
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  Speaker 1: can find them pretty much anywhere. Go online. Go to
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  Speaker 1: their website, Next Playground, NEX, and you can check it out.
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  Speaker 1: One of the big things that happened this week, Sean,
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  Speaker 1: the big stories, actually over the last couple of weeks,
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  Speaker 1: has been somebody that was not happy with Adobe. decided
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  Speaker 1: to go ahead and use artificial intelligence, from what I understand,
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  Speaker 1: and create open source versions of the Adobe Suite. And
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: that would be Photoshop, Premiere, After Effects, Bridge. Some of
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: the other programs are a part of Adobe. Now, for
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: those who don't know, okay, what does Adobe do? If
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: you've done any kind of graphics, photo manipulation, there's even
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  Speaker 1: Adobe Photoshop Express. for those that maybe aren't doing this professionally.
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  Speaker 1: But it's been like one of the big tools to
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  Speaker 1: be able to use for video editing and for photograph manipulation.
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  Speaker 2: And a guy.
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  Speaker 1: Actually here at the station was asking what I thought
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  Speaker 1: about it. And I told him, I said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was upset with Adobe for a long time because
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  Speaker 1: I had the purchased versions of the Adobe Master Suite.
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  Speaker 1: I could do a lot with them. And I still
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: can because I have one install that's still installed on
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  Speaker 1: one of my computers. I won't erase that computer. It's
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: running Windows 10, but I won't do anything because I
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: want to have that. But what I found is I
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: was upset because I had upgraded my studio computer to
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: Windows 11. And then I wanted to install the Adobe Suite.
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  Speaker 2: I had the CDs.
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  Speaker 1: I had everything. And I went to install them, and
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  Speaker 1: everything went. The install went great, but then when I
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: went to activate it, I couldn't activate it.
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  Speaker 2: Because they shut down their activation servers.
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  Speaker 1: They turned them off. Now, why would they do that?
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: Because they don't want people to use the older suite.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: They want you to come over and use software and
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: services and subscribe to be able to get the latest. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I will say, it took me about a year. I
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: used other tools. I went and used GIMP. I used DaVinci,
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: which I love. I used Pro Tools, which came with
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: one of my mixers. And I love that. And I
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: love them. I've been able to master those. But I
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: went ahead and decided... I got an offer to use
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: the Adobe, you know, creative cloud for a year for
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  Speaker 1: 39 bucks a month. And I thought, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I went to Gloria and I said, what do you think?
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  Speaker 1: It's 39 bucks. She's well, could you use it? And
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: I said, yeah, you know, I still have files that
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: I could utilize it with. She'd go for it, give
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  Speaker 1: it a shot. And if, if after the year, it's
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  Speaker 1: not working for you, we could just go ahead and
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  Speaker 1: get rid of it. Well, I've been able to do
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  Speaker 1: a lot with it in a year and I appreciate it. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: They have added a lot of AI features. They've added
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: those features that if you use any kind of AI,
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: it will tag it as AI in social media. Not
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  Speaker 1: happy about that one. And there are ways around that.
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  Speaker 1: But again, I like the fact that they keep adding
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  Speaker 1: stuff to it that makes it more powerful, more easier
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  Speaker 1: to use. And the same thing with Premiere for video editing.
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  Speaker 1: There's some more features in there. I'm like, oh, I
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  Speaker 1: like that feature. Or I didn't have that feature before.
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  Speaker 1: So I've got that. So in hindsight, my subscription will
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  Speaker 1: go up to $ 79 a month starting up in end
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  Speaker 1: of November. And I think I'm going to go ahead
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  Speaker 1: and keep it. If I can make money with it,
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  Speaker 1: I might as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have the benefit of having the education license
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  Speaker 2: through work.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, for work.
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  Speaker 2: So that's been great. There's still costs associated to it.
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  Speaker 2: I think for my license, it's $ 120 a year.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So... That's better than mine.
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  Speaker 2: That's a cost that I get through the university. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And I use it all the time. I use Lightroom
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  Speaker 2: all the time. I use Photoshop occasionally to design tags
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: for work or something like that. And I use Premiere
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: all the time. I use Media Encoder all the time
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: for work because we're always looking for building profiles and
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: exporting content in various formats for different clients and things
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: like that. So the media encoder is probably one of
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: the biggest uses I get, Premiere and media encoder. So, and,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: you know, you talked about this guy that reverse engineered
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: the entire Adobe cloud. Yeah. That's not something new, right?
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: People have been reimagining those products for a long time, right?
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: You have any number of, Applications that have been made
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: to mirror or mimic Photoshop, Premiere, et cetera.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: There was a great thread I read today, actually, about
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: this guy who reverse engineered it. And now he's asking
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: for help to fix the bugs because there's over 1,800
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: known bugs within his own AI hackathon, his vibe-coded version
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: of Creative Cloud. And, you know, people complain that Photoshop
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: and Premiere crash enough as it is on their own.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: If you're using it for real, why would you want
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: to go through a buggy instance of a vibe coded
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: version just to say you did it for free? Yeah.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: So. But now, you know, well, now I guess they're
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: working on the Microsoft suite, which, you know, is Word.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: You've got Excel, PowerPoint. programs like that that are part
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: of the Office suite, and they're going to run into
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: the same thing. The thing is, I know with the
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Adobe suite, when there's an update, I'll be able to
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: get that update. When I have a problem, I'm able
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: to get the help. Yeah, I'm not happy that I
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: can't use. I still have the other suite available that
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: I installed on DVD on one of my computers. If
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: I really need to, I can go to it.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: My take on this is, The reason I liked being
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: able to buy a piece of software is because I
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: knew it did X. I didn't do X. And then
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: in six months, it's going to do Y or in
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: three weeks, it's going to do Y. It does X.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: That's why you bought that piece of software. You had
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: a business case use case for it. You bought it
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: for a set amount of money. And in six to
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: eight months or a year, you might upgrade to, you know,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: from six to seven or six, 6.5 or whatever. Right.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: And there was value there. in the changes that were
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: needed to fix things or advancements that were taking place, right? Right.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: You knew your money was going towards research and development
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: for the next best thing. The downside to the SAS model,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: software as a service model, is there's, they just move
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: forward constantly. Yeah. The change orders for software is so
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: fast and so, you can't keep up with it. Yeah. And,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: they're not always making change for the better. They're just
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: making change to move forward.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: And I noticed a lot of designers that are on
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: social and share, I've seen some great walkthroughs on how
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: to do something with Premiere and how to do something
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: with Photoshop. And I'm like, oh, wow. Okay, that's how
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: you do it. there's some great walkthroughs, but I noticed
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of complaints now from that, that same
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: about the, the integration that Adobe has done with AI,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: artificial intelligence. Oh, you could fix this with AI now.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: So rather than those steps that a graphics designer would use,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: now you just go, oh, just go ahead and fix
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: that with AI and fix that. You know, and I'm
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: not knocking AI. Let's face it. I've had some great
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: photos that I've, been able to easily manipulate and easily
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: be able to adjust that were taken in 1946, 1947.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: And they come out right. They look good. You know,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: it takes me a little more time in Photoshop and
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: a little more knowledge than maybe I have at the point.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: But either way, there are some benefits. But a lot
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: of people are not liking that Adobe has kind of
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: been pushing everybody towards the AI.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: And But that's what is driving business right now.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: So why not toss every AI feature you have at
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: it and see what sticks?
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. In the meantime, I thought this was kind of cool,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: and we talked about Microsoft and Adobe there. One of
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: the programs that many people used seriously, I want to
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: say last 35 years, I don't know how long it's
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: been around, but Publisher. Did you ever create anything with
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Microsoft Publisher?
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Not really.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it was cool. I mean, you could
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: do pretty much anything with it. What word was cool?
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Publisher gave you, oh, I could do this neat little
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: graphic and whatnot. The thing is, you know, Publisher's been around,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: but people are using different things. And so they decided
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: to discontinue it. And back on the 13th of this month,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Microsoft officially discontinued and ended support for Microsoft Publisher. Now,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that means for people who have
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: the older standalone versions of Publisher. if they suddenly want
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: to install it, if they're going to run into that
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: same situation or they're part of the suite that they use.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: But what they're saying is now that LibreOffice has decided,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: we got you. LibreOffice, which is an open source, you know,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: office program, which honestly. Works really well. It works really good.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I put it on Linux Mint and I was like,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: this is great. You know, if you're looking for a solution,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: and you don't want to pay for Microsoft Office, and
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: you need just to be able to word process and
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: be able to type out a document and save it,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: open source suite, LibreOffice, has now given you the ability
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: to convert, open, and work with those pub files. So
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: if you've got an old publisher file you created about
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: 10 years ago and suddenly you want to open it,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: and you have the newest suite, you might not be
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: able to do that. But with LibreOffice, you could.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: There's a benefit to the open source side and there's downsides.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: You've got to be willing to take the good with
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: the bad. You've got to be willing to take the
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: no support. You've got to be willing to track down
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: your no support or track down the bug fixes and
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. I have no issue paying a subscription
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: to get constant updates. I don't always agree with the updates.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: And I wish you could not get updates and pause
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: updates and cater like which version you want. So say
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I want to stay on version 25.1 because I like
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: that version instead of jumping to 25.1.2, like give me
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: the option to stay with a specific version, but I
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: get why they don't want, because then you're running into
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: all sorts of compatibility issues with versions and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: And I know how that goes from a hardware side
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: in my line of work. where things don't match and
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: somebody's got a different version of hardware and they don't
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: play nice together, it's a pain. But give us the option.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: The thing is, if you like working with vector graphics,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: and for that, people will use Adobe Illustrator, which it
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: works real well, and you can do a lot of stuff.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: And the learning curve for Illustrator can be a little difficult.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: There's some really great people out there that are doing this.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: And again, I've seen some great videos on social media
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: about people who use Illustrator. that's a subscription model as well. However, Corel,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: it was one of the first graphics programs I ever used.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Corel is, they're saying, listen, you buy our suite and
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: you've got it, you know, and it should, it will
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: keep working. So if, you know, you decide that maybe
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: you don't want to, you want to do graphics, but
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: you don't want to work with Illustrator products, Maybe you
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: want to give Corel a try because they've been doing
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of advertising lately that has made me go, oh, cool,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Corel's still in the game. So they've got their newest
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: version available. And again, you pay one time. It's not
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: software and services.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like I always think back to when
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I was in high school, right? Because when I was
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: in high school, I wanted to do graphic design. That's
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: what I went to school for originally before I decided
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: it sucked and I didn't like it anymore. But I
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: used Corel. I used PageMaker, InDesign, Photoshop. Dreamweaver, all these
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: platforms and I learned them and they all had value
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: and it's just interesting to think about all those different
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: design pieces and where they are now versus what they
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: were created into and what that looks like now. I
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: remember going through the Photoshop versions, buying Photoshop 4 and
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: then buying Photoshop 5 and then 6, then 6.5, then
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: 7 and then I stopped buying it at that point
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: because I didn't need it. Or I found a cracked
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: version of it because I didn't want to pay for
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: it because it was too expensive as a broke college student.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: And then eventually it became the creative suite and all
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: that stuff. So it's just a weird transition we've been
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: in over the last decade on how this stuff, even longer,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: 20 years almost.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: So pretty amazing.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 26:02
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• 26:04
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• 26:06
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• 26:46
  Speaker 2: This is one of my favorite parts of the show,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: is taking listener questions. And you always have so many
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: good ones. And we get feedback, and people have written
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: in more than once, and we answer your questions every time. Yep. So,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: for this week, we've got two that we'll read this week.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: The first one is from Andrea in Tucson. She says,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I was at my aunt's last week and was surprised
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: she had no antivirus on her computer. Oh, no. She
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: let me get on to look up times at the Harkins.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: That's a theater chain we have here.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Harkins, okay. My cousin told me she didn't need it,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: and I was kind of surprised. Is that something I
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: don't need to have? So, Andrea, your cousin may be right.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: That she doesn't need to buy an antivirus. But that
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean she needs to be on the computer unprotected, right?
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: That's a tough one, right? So Windows has Microsoft Defender
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: built in with a firewall with generic rules that applies
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: pretty much to everything that most people are going to
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: do on the internet. Malwarebytes is my go-to. It's been
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: around for a long time. I use it. I pay
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: for their multiple platforms so I can put it on
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: my phone, put it on Kayle's computer, put it on
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: my computer.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, though, Sean. With Malwarebytes, do
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: you get the nags if you're paying for it?
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: No.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Because it's almost as naggy as Norton. I'll tell you that.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: You can customize the nags if you pay for it.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: So Malwarebytes will scan and find it. The other one
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I like to do to run is if I feel
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: like I've got an infection or feel like I've got
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: a compromise, I'll run Spybot Search and Destroy, which is
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: a good one. You can pay for that one also.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: But outside of Defender, Malwarebytes... And Spybot, those are the
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: three that I have. And I've never had a major compromise.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but almost, you know, I'll be honest with you.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I do the suite. I've got the semantic suite. We've
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: done it for a year. It's one of those things.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: We've just done it. For my work system, I use Malwarebytes.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I don't use the semantic on it because I really
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: like Malwarebytes. And I'm nervous about that because, you know,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: my mom had at one point was the same way.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, I don't need it.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I don't need it.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: But I was worried because my mom would click on
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: things or go to a website. I think it's all
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: on your, how comfortable are you with the computer?
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: And where are you going? What are you clicking on? What's,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: you know, how good is your system, you know? Yeah.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Are you using good passwords on your system to log in?
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Right. So the other thing too is like check your
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Windows updates. Every system needs to be updated, right? Whether
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: it's Windows, Linux, Mac OS, et cetera. They all have vulnerabilities.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: And don't listen to somebody if they tell you Macs
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: don't get viruses, because that's a load of crap. They
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: are just as targeted as Windows machines. Their vulnerabilities just
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: appear differently and are approached differently based on how the
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: operating system works. Keep your software updated and remember no
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: antivirus makes every link safe to click no matter what, right?
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: If it looks suspicious it's suspicious, right? Um, so just
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: practice safe browsing. Just be careful with what you're clicking on. Trust,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: but verify. And you know, just everybody I've fallen prey
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: to clickbait stuff before. Right. I got caught in one
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: of our OIT official, like phishing emails. Oh boy. They send,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: they send them out. Right.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: And you actually got caught up in it.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Well, we had an incident where I had to fill
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: out an incident report and work for, an injury. And
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: the next day, and I don't know if this was
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: because they read my emails or whatever. I got an
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: email saying, Hey, I need you to fill out this
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: form for that thing that happened at work. Click on
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: this link to do it.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: And I clicked on it and I got an email
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: like you got fished.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Oh boy.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: But I was like, I, so I called my boss.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: I was like, look, this happened yesterday. He knew about it.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: And I said, this is the email I got. He's like,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: I would have clicked on it too. So you gotta be,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: just be careful. You gotta just trust and verify that, Yeah.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: But everybody's susceptible.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Even with coincidences. And I guess, you know, it's good.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: We're talking about this national cybersecurity month. Those are the things,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: you know, you might think the coincidences of you going
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: somewhere and looking at a car, you're going to buy
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: a car or you're looking at a house or you're
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: thinking about doing a getaway, maybe taking a vacation and
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: you went online. That is not to say that that
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: where you are shopping online, or that website that you
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: may have gone through to look at something has not
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: been compromised. So that compromise of a website or phone
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: system or data center has not been because they want
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: to get that. They want the customers to come in
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: to then be able to go after them. And that's
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: kind of what can happen here. And you think, oh,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: I was just down there. You know, oh, that works.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: People talk about it all the time. You talk about
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: something at home, next thing you know, you start seeing
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: ads for it. This happened to me the other day.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I can't remember even what it was I was talking about.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Suddenly I started seeing ads in my search feed. So
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a minute. Something's not right here. That
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: data you think is safe may not be safe.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: So that leads us into our next question, right?
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: So Ben, also from Tucson.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, I like this one too.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Had a question. He said a couple weeks ago, Sean
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: was talking about TVs that listen and can record stuff,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: which I know opens an entire thought about smart home devices.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. We were talking about TVs, right?
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, that was... LG had a big issue with
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: security and concerns and spyware.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: And then there's been a lot of stories about other
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: TV brands that may be, you know, how are we
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: going to direct advertising, you know?
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: How cool would it be?
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Think about it as a business. How cool would it be?
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Radio would never do that to you. But how cool
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: would it be that you're watching a show And, you know,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: your wife or your, you know, your kids are there
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: and they're like, Dad, we want to go to Disneyland
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: or we want to go to Universal Studios, you know,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: or we want to go to, you know, the White Mountains.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: And then next thing you know, there's an ad that
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: comes on at the right time. How cool would it
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: be as a television manufacturer to be able to go
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: to a client and say, listen, we can do this.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: We can monitor and then pop in an ad when
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: need be. We have the ability to do that.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, that would be a sales tool for the business, right?
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. But apply that to Roombas. Roomba.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, so Roomba, that's that little vacuum cleaner.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: It's the iRobot vacuum.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Right? And Ben wants to know, would he run into
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: the same privacy concerns with his Roomba? Yes. There are
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: privacy concerns.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: They have cameras on them.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: But with a robot vacuum, think maps and cameras. Depending
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: on the model.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: It can collect your layout from your home. Okay. So
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: it's essentially driving around your home. You set up the boundaries.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: You give it a layout. It maps your home. It's
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: tracking where it goes and sending that data and collecting
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: the square footage of your home based on where you
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: send it. It can collect home's layouts, room names, images
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: of obstacles. And there was a real incident. Photos from
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: a special room of tests, like an R & D.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: They reached contractors training in the AI. So those images
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: and stuff were training AI to train the robots. And
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: some of that leaked out of social media. Those were
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: test machines, right? So these machines were using AI, trained
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: on real images from real people's homes to learn. So
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: your images from your Roomba could have been training Roomba's
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: AI on how to navigate homes and obstacles and stuff
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Before checking out or buying a Roomba or any smart vacuum,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: just do some research, do your due diligence, review its
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: privacy settings, and leave any sort of optional image sharing,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: turn it off.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you have that ability. I know that there's
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: a company out there that makes one that I have
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: heard that is a little more secure. I want to
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: say it begins with an M. I think it was
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Matic or something like that. And that's supposed to offer that,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: but You know, it's kind of surprising, I think, for
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of people that have had Roombas and have upgraded.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: You don't think about the new two-in-one that, you know,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: it's basically two devices. One can scrub your floor. The
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: other can get under tight spaces. I think it's great,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: but we forget it is sending that information somewhere if
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: it's sending it back to what happens with your data.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: And again, it's all being used, right? You know, that's
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: the same reason, Sean. I don't know about you. I
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: got a fridge. a refrigerator and it's an, it's an
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: LG refrigerator and it has connection to the internet. And
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I remember, I remember thinking, why would my fridge need
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: to connect to the internet? Like what, what's the whole purpose? And,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: you know, I was reading up and I said, Oh, well,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: you know, it can connect because it could tell you
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: your temperature and it can keep an eye on that.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: And it can alert you if the temperature drops below
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: a certain degree and whatnot and tell you when the
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: filter needs changing.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Here's some convenience for all of your data.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: So we've been actually looking at fridges. And Caitlin and
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I are hellbent on not having a smart fridge. We
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: don't care. We don't want it to have a network
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: card in it. We just want it to be a
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: fridge and a freezer.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Now, we never enabled ours because we'd have to connect
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: it via Wi-Fi to our router the whole bit. But
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: it gave us that opportunity to do it. And we said, no,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: we're just not going to use it.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still broadcasting that. So it's like your other
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: devices could pick up. You have a smart fridge. And
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it can do some sort of data sharing
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: based on just the Wi-Fi name or the model number alone.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: That's the stuff you have to think about these days.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: One of my favorite stories that exists on the internet
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: was a story about a girl who got in trouble
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: by her parents for being on the internet. And she
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: had been tweeting this thing this dilemma, right? And her
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: parents took away her phone.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Well, then she found like her backup phone and they
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: took that away. Then she started tweeting from her Nintendo Switch.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: They took that away from her. Then she started tweeting
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: from her Nintendo DS because it had a Twitch built-in profile.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Then they took that away from her. Her last resort
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: was tweeting from the refrigerator because apparently the fridge, apparently
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: the refrigerator that they had bought had the ability to
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: connect to the internet and she was able to tweet
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: From the refrigerator. So she went through this whole hierarchy
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: of devices that got less and less sophisticated until she
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: got to a refrigerator, which she could tweak from.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I hope we answered Ben's question. You might want
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: to think about that. Do a little more research. But
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: a good point, Ben, that, yeah, that stuff, there's probably
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: information that's going out there.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, at this point, any IoT device, you just
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: have to assume the data is going on the Internet
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: and it's going to be used to target you with ads.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: in some way, shape, or form. All right.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: We're going to take another quick break. I got a
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: brand new product, a piece of electronics that I think
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of you will like. So we'll talk about
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: that when we come back with more of Tech Talk Radio.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I'm Andy Taylor.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: I'm Sean DeWeerd. Find us on Facebook at Tech Talk Radio.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: And now, back to Tech Talk Radio. All right. So
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I love the fact that our laptops have gone from
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: being behemoths to these slimline models. And of course, this
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: thing is heavy, right? It's kind of cool, you know?
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: This is what I ended up putting Linux Mint on.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: This is an old, I think it's an HP. Yeah,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: it's an old HP Pavilion laptop. One of the things
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: that it has on it that you don't find on
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: many laptops now, it's got VGA connector, which is kind
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: of cool. You've got PCMCIE slots. That's kind of neat.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: SD card slot, but you have this. DVD burner, CD reader.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: That's pretty neat. And the thing is, they're gone now.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: You don't find them. You don't even find them on desk.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Anymore.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: But the thing is, and Sean, we've talked about this.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Many people just say, oh, it's just in the cloud.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. You want to watch a movie?
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Just go to Netflix. Go to Tubi. You know, go
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: to Pluto TV.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Watch it there.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: But the fact is, a lot of us have our
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: DVD movies, our CDs of music. that we want to
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: listen whenever we want. Right. What if there's no internet?
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Can't get it from the cloud. You know, you're, you're go,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: you go camping a lot. You don't always have the internet.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: So you, you've got to take some CDs with you.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Right. Well, I built my own little mini Raspberry Pi
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: flex server. I just power that on and connect my
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: iPad to the wifi. And I have my own little,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: my own little cloud streaming service. Right.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: So, It's funny because doing videos and stuff once in
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: a while, a client will say to me, well, how
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: can I get the copy? And I go, well, what
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: I can do is upload it to the cloud. You
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: can download it from there. She said, and I remember
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: this last one, she said, can I give you a
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: flash drive? And I said, sure, we could do it
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: that way. She said, I wish you had the availability
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: to put it on a Blu-ray or a DVD so
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: we could watch it. I said, I could do that too.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: So the thing is they had a DVD player at home,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: so that worked out good for them. The thing is
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: that you don't get them on desktops. You don't get
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: them on laptops. A buddy of mine, Al, reached out
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: to me and said, hey, have you seen this? Now,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I've used LG. Asus also makes one. They're portable DVD
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: CD burners, which are great. They also have Blu-ray burners
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: that you could do if you need more capacity or,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: you know, doing something like that. And they're not that expensive.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I found this one according to Al told me about
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: this one. This is from Suidek. S-U-I-D-E-K. And it is
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: a DVD, CD burner reader, which is cool. Hooks up
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: to your computer. So it could be a laptop or
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: a desktop, which is kind of nice. And then once
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: you hook it up, you also have a TF reader.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: So many or many micro SD slot there. So it's
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: almost like a little hub. a hub of a micro
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: SD and a DVD CD burner. But then you open this,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I'm showing Sean here, you open this slot here and
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: you've got a full blown hub there, which is cool.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: And this hub gives you the ability for now, it's
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: not USB 3.2, it's USB 2.0. That's okay. You know,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: if you need to just get some, a flash drive
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: in there or you want to connect it to something,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: that's cool. USB-C, which is great, has an actual SD
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: card reader. But I love this one, Sean. It's got
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: an M2 slot. So if you've got an M2 laying around,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: which is generally, it's almost like a hard drive.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: It's a stick.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: It can store generally one terabyte, 512, one terabyte, or
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: even two terabytes on there. They can go higher. But
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: you can put that in there and you put it
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: on your desktop and you've got a hub.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: As well as a burner.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: $ 38 on Amazon. They also have a model, Sean, which
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I found out about. It doesn't have the M2 on it.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: It has a full SSD slot. So if you've got
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: an SSD drive, you could plug that in. That one
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: runs about $ 44, but you could plug that in and
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: then you've got that as well. So for a lot
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: of us, you know, there's a lot of us guys
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: that do this kind of stuff. We've got SSDs laying around.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: We've got drives laying around the whole bit. This is
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: a good way to get a little extra life out
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: of that. So yeah, not bad. Again, that company, if
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: you want to get one, it's S-U-I-D-E-K. You can find
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: them on Amazon. That's where I found it. And again,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: just choose whether you want the M2 or you want SSD.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: And they have some other models. They have it available,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I believe, in gray or black. And I was excited
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: about that because I thought it's so basic, yet that
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: is something that I could actually get some use out of.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: They have a plethora of versions of them on Amazon.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're not that expensive as well, which is,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: that's also pretty good. I wanted to talk about how
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: people have been, and again, it's something we talked about
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: last couple of weeks ago, and we just recently talked about,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: just earlier in the show, about privacy with your televisions.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: There is a new cloud code that is an open
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: source project called Clean Your TV. And a lot of
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: people have been talking about it. You talked about smashing
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: a logic board, Sean. But what this code does, we
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: haven't tested it, but we've started to see this in
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: some of the sites for like Engadget and some of
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: the other ones are how to geek. Talks about removing ads, bloatware,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: and sponsored rows from compatible Android TV and Google TV
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: devices over Wi-Fi. So if you've got a television and,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: you know, you're pretty good at this kind of stuff. Oh, sorry,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: my Gemini just went off. You can actually remove some
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: of that bloatware, some of those ads that pop up
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: when you don't really want to see them. And they're
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: saying it's fairly easy to use. But again, go cautiously
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: when you're doing something like this. But Clean Your TV
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: is the name of this open source project. Would you
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: do something like this?
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: I'm looking it up right now.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Cause it's something you would want to do, right?
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: I would do it.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: I would probably do it on my Google TV, but
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: I'm afraid it's going to break some things. Right. I've
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: got to look, I've got to read through it and
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: see if my TV is even available for it because
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: it's a Google TV, but I don't want to, you know,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: I don't want to tempt fate with the Google gods
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: and have them ban me or something.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: You get banned for that. Also, the buzzword of the year, obviously,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: over the last couple of years has been AI. Vibe coding. Yeah,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: vibe coding. Vibe coding has been that big thing. But
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: using AI to help create that. Here's the thing. If
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: you're one of those that when you need to get
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: a task done, whether it be at your house, maybe
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: you got to change the dishwasher or you got to
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: change your garbage disposal. And you normally go to the
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: manufacturer and watch stuff. This is one of the benefits,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I will say, for AI. If you go online and
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: you just ask it, whether it be ChatGPT or Gemini
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: or any of the other ones, you just ask it,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: what steps do I need to do to get this replaced?
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: You can get that all delivered to you step by step.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: All with that. And that's been one of the benefits.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: The old way we did it, we went on to
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Google or you watched a video on YouTube. which is
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: still very popular. Justin has fixed stuff doing that. But
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: NVIDIA is apparently launching a free tool that can now,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: because a lot of us are concerned with the security
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: and safety of our data going out there, but this
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: could turn your computers in your home into an AI
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: system that's shared. So imagine instead of an AI data center,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: you're using your home. You're using the systems you have
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: within your home with a personal AI router, otherwise they're
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: calling it PAIR, and connects to PCs, Macs, and NVIDIA
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: systems on the same network so they can share spare
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: computing power to run AI models and agents across the
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: machines within your home network. So again, is this something
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: that only people that are well-versed in technology would use?
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Or do you think more and more people say, well,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, I don't need a data center. I
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: got one in my home.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you're going to see more and more
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: of that. I think you're going to see a lot
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: of companies that are looking to save costs by moving
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: to on-prem cloud. I think as the technology gets easier
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: and easier to develop and the size gets reduced because
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: the compute size gets smaller, I think you're going to
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: see a lot of companies beginning to build their own
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: on-prem data centers. They're on-prem, you know, utilizing their own infrastructure,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: their own power costs, rather than trying to do it
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: through the cloud and paying cloud support costs and paying for... Now,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: you're never going to get away from the fastest and
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: the best, right? There's so many data centers being built
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: and the compute is just compute, right? If it's just
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: a warehouse full of computers, right, there's a lot of
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: compute power. Yeah.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: You look at what we were able to generate, what,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: even maybe three years ago, compared to what you can
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: generate now.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: But if you could get a small data closet with
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: a handful of small form factor CPUs from AMD or
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: NVIDIA or Apple or whatever, and you have a development
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: team that can help you maintain and build this AI,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: there's a benefit to being centralized versus decentralized, right? You
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: contain the network. You control what goes on it. you
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: control what gets shared to outside AI sources or, you know,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: you're in control of the policies, you're in control of security.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: That's what the people have wanted, but it hasn't been
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: available because it's been expensive. Right. So a lot of
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: businesses are coming up against the cost, the true cost
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: of doing AI. And they're going, whoa, I got rid
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: of the 10 people that knew how to do that
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: job because it was going to be cheaper to do
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: it cloud. But now we moved on all to the
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: cloud and now we just got our first bill and
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: it's more expensive than paying those 10 people to do
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: the job. So I think you're seeing some AI regret
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: from a lot of businesses that went all in. But
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: I don't think you're seeing that everywhere. But I think
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: you're going to see a trend back to your own
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: on-prem cloud, right? Because people forget, right? It's like all
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: cloud is is just somebody else's computer doing the work
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: in a different location. So if you can save some
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: money by doing it on your own CPU, your own processing,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: your own cooling, your own storage, et cetera, that makes
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: the most sense, the most logical sense.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: But also the privacy concerns too with that. Right. You know,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: you're not worried about it going out there. You're using
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: it within your own network.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can, again, you can control what gets
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: shared to help learn your model and et cetera. So
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: it's going to be a lot more individually catered. Yes,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: you're going to be using an AI model from OpenAI
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: or Anthropic or whatever, but you'll be in a little
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: bit more control. So we'll see. But I think you're
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: going to see a trend back from using an AI
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Amazon data set, unless you're doing it at scale, right?
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Unless you're doing it at this huge scale.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: I think you're going to see a lot of smaller
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: companies that are going to do it on-prem.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of makes sense, especially if, again, they
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: can control it and run it and not have to
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: worry about, again, data centers. People still are complaining about them.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: I know they were building one out near you, and
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: there was a lot of opposition to it. We've seen
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: that same here. Some people are saying, no, let them build.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Others are opposed to it. So we'll see how that
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: all plays out, but this could be And if you
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: want to look that up, NVIDIA, N-V-I-D-I-A, is a company
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: that has this free tool. And the beta is free
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: and open source. So you might want to check them out.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: We'll be back with more of Tech Talk Radio. You
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: can save that point for us. I'm Andy Taylor.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Sean DeWeerd. Find us on Twitter or X at
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  Speaker 2: Tech Talk Radio. We'll be right back.
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  Speaker 1: And now, back to Tech Talk Radio. This is Larry
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  Speaker 1: the Cable Guy, and you're listening to Tech Talk Radio.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Sean and I are constantly talking about, hey,
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  Speaker 1: did you check that out? Did you see that?
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  Speaker 2: Hey, you got to do this?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I was talking to him about one of
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  Speaker 1: the solutions I was looking for when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: being able to connect your computer remotely. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Sean uses a program that connects within his own network,
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  Speaker 1: but I wanted to connect to maybe to a remote
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  Speaker 1: location to be able to manage that. You had a
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  Speaker 1: good solution for that. And there's a lot of tools
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  Speaker 1: that somebody could find. You know, we talked earlier about
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  Speaker 1: these alternative open sources that we're going to see of
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  Speaker 1: Adobe products, Microsoft-type products. But there's some others that you
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  Speaker 1: might find a benefit in, and they're all found on
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  Speaker 1: a great website as an alternative. What is the website, John?
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  Speaker 2: Alternative 2, meaning I want to find an alternative to this.
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  Speaker 2: And you can type in whatever you're looking for, an
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  Speaker 2: alternative to Chrome, an alternative to VNC, VLC, whatever. Anything
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  Speaker 2: you want, you can find it. So if you type
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  Speaker 2: in Chrome, it's going to give you all the options
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  Speaker 2: like Firefox, Zen browser, Brave, Tor browser, Vivaldi, Opera. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: all these tons of great options. And we talked about
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  Speaker 2: like the options be that outside of Photoshop, you're going
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  Speaker 2: to get things like GIMP, Picasa, like all these other options.
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  Speaker 2: So Andy was saying that for remote desktop control internally
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  Speaker 2: on my own home network, I use Rust Desk, which
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  Speaker 2: is a free, I host it on my own machine
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  Speaker 2: so that all of my, all of the processing goes
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  Speaker 2: internally on my own network to a, a single computer
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  Speaker 2: so I can handle all that internally so I don't
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  Speaker 2: have to go to the cloud. But if I do
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  Speaker 2: want to do something external, I use Tailscale, which is
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  Speaker 2: a great platform. I found all those through just doing
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  Speaker 2: my own research in parts of the communities that I'm in.
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  Speaker 2: But they also show up on Alternative 2. So if
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  Speaker 2: you wanted to look for an alternative to Tailscale... Like, Tailscale,
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  Speaker 2: is that a free program? Open source free?
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 2: A good thing.
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  Speaker 1: To remember, we're talking about that. I am wondering, though,
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  Speaker 1: if we want to make sure we mention for those
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  Speaker 1: developers that are creating that software, it's always great to
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  Speaker 1: make a donation so that they can keep on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So let's say you find a product you like
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  Speaker 2: that's open source, right? It may be a fork of
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  Speaker 2: an original developer idea that they took an idea that
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  Speaker 2: they thought was better and they made a version that
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  Speaker 2: you may like. Just throw them a couple bones, five bucks,
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  Speaker 2: ten bucks. Make it worth, put in what you think
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  Speaker 2: it's worth. That's just how the honor system works. But
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  Speaker 2: I typed in Tailscale into Alternative 2 and OpenVPN Connect, WireGuard, NetBird, Rayfish, ZeroTier.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it came up with 80 other options. It's
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  Speaker 2: crazy how many options you can get.
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  Speaker 1: So this is AlternativeTO.net. Dot net. Just T-O, not T-O-O.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, correct. Alternative T-O dot net.
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  Speaker 1: Dot net.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully you'll find some solutions there. If you have questions
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  Speaker 1: or maybe you try one of these, you want to
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  Speaker 1: let us know about it, feel free to drop us
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  Speaker 1: a line. Techguys at techtalkradio.com.
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  Speaker 2: Just don't put alternatives to Tech Talk Radio in there.
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  Speaker 2: You won't find anything good. There's nothing. All right. That's it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Andy Taylor.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Sean DeWeerd. Find us on the web, techtalkradio.com. Have
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  Speaker 2: a great week.