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#214 - Identiverse 2023 Preview · Identity at the Center

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This is identity at the center. If it has anything to do with I
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am this is the go-to podcast. Now your host Jim McDonald and
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Jeff Steadman welcome to the identity of the center podcast
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I'm Jeff and that's Jim. Hey Jim hey Jeff, how are you?
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Oh, not so bad yourself. I'm doing good and true to form
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even though we're doing a Jim and Geoff So today I've got a
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banter topic and I did not tell you what the topic was going to
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be but it's a multiple choice question, right?
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We're going into Memorial Day. Weekend is the beginning of the
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summer travel season in the US and you know travels just going
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to be a bunker. So this episode is going to drop
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all Monday. Still part of that weekend, is a
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travel related question and the multiple choices which of these
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three things. Would you be first to give up?
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Okay, so the first one is TSA Pre.
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The second one is your Delta Club access however you would be
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able to get it in there, just give it up.
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You can't go. And then the third thing is your
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status on Delta. The thing that I had at least
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willing to give up, that's the question or which one of those
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will, which one would you give up?
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And go ahead and do it in order which is the one that you would
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hold most dear? Well, I would definitely keep
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pre-check. I mean It's the one thing that's
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Universal least for me. I would fly right in and not
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have to worry about laptop out of bags shoes know that stuff
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that's for me. That's the most important thing.
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I think the club is probably second most important.
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Just so there's a place to sit down, do some work, food,
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beverage, whatever, maybe I don't really think I have great
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status with Delta. Anyway, I've inherited most of
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it from a transition from United where I had the status, but most
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of the fights are Anyway, and depending on when you book, I'm
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not like, I think I'm Platinum right now, but it really doesn't
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get you anything other than you can book Comfort Plus for free,
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which is like the premium premium economy.
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It's still economy. So yeah, that's I think that's
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so the one I'm willing to give up is Airline status because
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most of the flights I'm booking these days.
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It's pretty rare that there's a comfort plus.
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I just booked a flight to Denver yesterday and there are no
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Comfort plus seats to book. So, I'm gonna be stuck in the
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back and it's fine. Grab either a window or an
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aisle. And, you know, try to look for
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maybe a upgrade to a exit row seat to have a little more room
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but I mean air travel just sucks anyway.
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So unless you're flying first class or like business class.
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It sucks. Yeah, what about really tough
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questions? Really tough question, right?
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Because all those things are things that we as frequent.
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Flyers cherish. I'm actually the exact opposite
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really rather keep your status. Yeah, I figure, we'll take your
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laptop and you want to take your shoes off.
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I mean, I guess the pinion well I guess spend your don't want to
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do. This thing's pretty good.
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Don't want to do this things yanno and but I feel like if you
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have status with the airline, even if you wind up in like a
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bad seed or whatever, if you fly an airline without any status,
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It's like the Wild Card, you're just you're just another head on
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the, on the plane. I don't know, I made some cat
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piece of meat in the kettle crisps just taking up space on
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the plane. The other thing is, I saw a
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video the other day that talked about, you know, it was on
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YouTube and they had a very click Beatty title which was
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that airlines are actually Banks.
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Now that the way that they make money is through their frequent
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flyer program and specifically People getting their credit
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cards and things like that and that's how they make money.
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There are frequent flyer programs are worth billions and
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their flights basically break even if they're lucky, I could
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see that. Yeah, I think that makes sense
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try to diversify to, but yeah, I can't imagine if you're flying,
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you know, anywhere for a few hundred bucks to cover.
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The costs of that, you have to really be at scale.
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And I don't know, I don't know the economics behind it, but I
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guess that doesn't surprise. Surprise me given how important
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credit cards are two Airlines. Yeah, you know, the other thing
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with the club, I definitely appreciate the club.
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I think Delta's clubs are pretty good, but I don't think they're
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like, you know, breathtaking or anything, right?
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It's like, you know, I think back in the day, they had
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showers in them, which I, some still do probably, I probably
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wouldn't use them anyway. Yeah.
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Go to the club and take a shower.
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I mean if I flew overnight, I think I would but I never really
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do that. So that's not a benefit that I
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care about the other thing that I don't like about the club is
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like, if you fall asleep in your chair, somebody will come and
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wake you up because you're not allowed to sleep in the club.
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So I don't think I love this club.
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You want to keep it moving. I mean, the Delta clubs that
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then they were real problem towards the end of last year,
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like, lines out the door, like, Club at Atlanta which is a hub
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which okay, I got it Lana's a busy but heck, I'm paying what
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$500 $600 for United for United, for a Delta Club.
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I expect to be able to use it and there was like five or six
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trips in a row where it's like I'm not standing in line for
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half an hour of my 90-minute layover you know just to get in
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to get a free drink in some average food.
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Yeah. You don't even drink alcohol.
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So right? Yeah.
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I you know I do. The other thing is, like, what
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used to be for club? For me was like, it was a
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sanctuary from the terminal. The terminal was just like chaos
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you going to Club you'll but you understand is Delta clubs.
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It's just like it's not just a big it's more chaotic than
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terminal so might as well go to a restaurant and have somebody
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bring me food or is it the bar or whatever you know if it's a
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couple hour layover. But the thing now, Delta is if
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you show up at the airport like sometimes I fly rid of Atlanta,
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most of the time. I'm and if you get there are
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more than three hours from your departure, you can't come into
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the club. I guess what they're trying to
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do, is what you're talking about earlier, prevent people from
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coming to the club and sitting there all day, and just eating
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their food and drink their drinks or whatever.
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Take a slice. Yeah, yeah.
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Now that moving to see you say, pre is a great, right?
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Not having to take your shoes off, things like that.
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But I think, I don't know what it feels like to get by without
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it, but I think I could Well, you go II guess I fly out of a
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small airport now so it's less of a less of a thing.
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But when I was in Chicago, it was a big difference between
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going through the pre-check line and then not pre-check line.
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Yeah, you know, well, dozens of minutes is sometimes hours.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Protect. You just kind of Flowery time.
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I also have clear to so, you know, when you have clear and
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pre-check if you're at a place that has both which is not too
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common. Unfortunately, for me these days
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that's like a skip the lines, skip the line, Yeah, well dull
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said, Atlanta has the thing with the rapid musher what's called.
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But essentially just looks at your face.
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When you walk up, you bypass every line.
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It's even quicker than clear. Just a point a camera at your
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face and do their magic. So I'm not sure what technology
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is using. I like your face and I tell you
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in, I like your face, get out of here, as a digital identity
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podcast. We probably should know these
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things. Maybe we can get some Come on,
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tell us about it. I know ID Mia does a lot of it
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seems like airport security type stuff.
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I see their logo on a bunch of stuff at like pre-check so maybe
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there's some way we can pull on from there.
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Get on track and get on that. Yeah that's my job for the
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podcast. Yeah.
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What are going to talk about today?
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We're going to talk about my Denver's which I guess
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technically is starting tomorrow.
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For people listening to this, we're recording this on a Friday
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morning for Memorial Day weekend here in the US.
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I'm you and I are actually We both flying on Monday to Las
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Vegas identity versus kicks off its like 4 o'clock local time.
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I think something like that in at the Aria casino in Las Vegas
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so we'll be there and we're going to kind of talk through
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today about what the podcast plans are because we got a few
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different things going on. Hopefully people come by and say
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hello when they see us and then some of the sessions, I think
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that you and I are both interested in assuming that you
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will. Let me go to a session instead
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of holding me up into I'm doing recordings and editing all week.
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Well, yeah, our our schedules not as bad as I usually make it
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right. Wherever it is.
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Not thank you. Like hey, Jeff by the way, on
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Wednesday. We're recording five episodes.
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Yeah. And oh, by the way we need to
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get those five episodes out of next couple days, I don't think
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we're going to do that this time, right?
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We're going to kind of stretch them out a little bit.
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Yeah I mean look this year we're we both have some vacations
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coming up you know? And the July 4th holiday is
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right around the corner. So we're going to record Toward
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a bunch at again, diverse. And we'll have a bit of a towel
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from that, and we'll spread those episodes.
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We drop an episode every Monday, you know, usually, by the time I
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wake up, I already see the LinkedIn post from you that the
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episodes out there and available.
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Yeah. So what can you that kind of
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that role? But yeah, sort of the plan is to
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instead of our normal conversing really likes matter.
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A bunch of shows every day. I think just to keep one sanity
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so that I can actually enjoy the conference and attend things but
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also Like you mentioned the vacation topic that I'm going to
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London in a couple weeks. So I've been on the road quite a
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bit. For the last few weeks I've got
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I was, where was I? This week, I was in Harrisburg
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this week. Pennsylvania.
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I'm going to Vegas next week or this week I should say pending
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on when you're listening to this and then I go to Denver the week
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after that. And then I think I might be home
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for a week and then I'm going to London for two weeks for
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vacation. So, yeah, my schedule is pretty
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crap for meetings until the end of June.
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What's London, like in June is going to be like super hot.
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I'm not sure. I think it's probably, you know,
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approaching the warm aside, I have to ask our friend, Andy
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hindle. Well, we're at identifiers going
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to try and see if we can sync up with him for.
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I don't know, beer, T something what tea and crumpets?
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Yeah, exactly. Speaking of crumpets, we're
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going to be in Vegas, you know. Obviously the link link is
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forging crumpets and That's right.
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You know, I was thinking of a restaurant called Yardbird and
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you love Yardbird best chicken and waffles I've ever had and I
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am looking forward to it, man. That's chicken and waffles, best
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chicken waffles, and also best biscuits, and I've lived in the
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South for like 15 years. And I've never had biscuits as
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because they have so definitely hitting that up.
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What do you think of Vegas overall?
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I like Vegas and as people don't like it but I don't have, you
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know, the Any serious vices like drinking and gambling.
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So for me it's you know, seeing the sights people watching, you
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know, the conference. I think it's I think it's a
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great conference on because everything so convenient you
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know, hotel rooms are easy to get to and stuff like that.
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But the food and really just people watching.
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So I'm looking forward to I'll be there all week so don't think
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I'd leave until like Saturday. So I think my record is 14 days
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in Vegas. That's way too long.
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It sounds like a long time but it was you No, I had a
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conference one week and then wedding was coming up like a few
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days. I've had rather than just
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criss-crossing you know within two weeks.
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I just stayed an extra 45 days. I remember that.
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Yeah but I like Vegas I maybe I'm in the minority these days
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but I do like it I do like that. It's become much easier to
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breathe inside the casinos because of the air filtration
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and is less smoking and stuff like that but yeah I still like
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it. I'm a Vegas and I'd like pretty
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much the things that you like, but on top of that, the amount
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of entertainment that's their things to do.
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Yeah. I mean, I'm a big fan of food.
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I don't gamble much these days. I don't have any real like
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stories of like, oh my gosh, I went in there and lost thousands
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of dollars or anything and I, I really don't over drink when I'm
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in Vegas, are try not to it's just really not my thing as much
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anymore. These days.
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I find that That especially early in the week.
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If you're there for a conference, you start drinking
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alcohol at like, it's just, yeah, it's not a party.
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I mean, we're two Grumpy Old Men, probably at this point.
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So if it's your first time going, first time in Vegas pace
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yourself, moderate pace yourself, but enjoy yourself.
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It is a great time. There are a lot of things to do.
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See, go to the restaurants, I mean, hit Yardbird up its at the
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Venetian which is really kind of the other right now.
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Not too close, I guess to REO where I'd ever says, but it's a
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good spot. I think if you're going to go
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just, you know, come on Uber, as there's probably more Ubers per
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square feet in Vegas than anywhere else on the strip and
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get around and see some things. Yeah.
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And if you're lucky I'll get one of the self-driving curse.
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There's a couple that make the circuit through Vegas so well,
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yeah, I'm not sure if Lyft and Uber still doing it but I know
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there's a long another company that does but when you and
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sometimes you'll see an opt-in if you're if you're willing to
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you know, have a self-driving car which I've done.
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It's very, very cool. I did it like three years ago
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and it was interesting. Yeah, it worked.
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Well, we got there. I wonder what you do if you get
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in an accident you sit there and you wait I mean there's a human
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in the car. So it's not like it's completely
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self-driving. But there is a human operator,
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but they just they don't they're just there to as a safety
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mechanism. Okay?
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Yeah. It's like kind of I got a Tesla
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with autopilot. Yeah.
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We see a human in the car. So, safety mechanism.
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Now someday we may look at this, like the opposite of that.
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Yeah, exactly, yeah. So I'm looking forward to the
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conference as well. I mean, I love identity and
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access management conferences and we'll call them that
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anymore. Is that that I am conferences
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and identity conference, but I love like, seeing all the people
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that we know I think since the podcast has been, we're running
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almost four years now. There is obviously the whole
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pandemic, period, but now that we're back and I think we have
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more people who are aware of the podcast, listen to podcasts on a
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regular basis. You know, we're people who know
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us, come up, we get to see all the folks.
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We're meeting new people. It's it's great.
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By the way, we keep growing by before you move on, because they
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just kind of cool story. I was at a sale Point thing, in
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Charlotte a few weeks ago, I guess.
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At this point. Wait, and it was a small
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gathering, it was kind of like a, you know, hey, here's kind of
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what's coming up, stuff like that.
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I'm sitting off to the corner. Just doing my own thing that
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really, you know, trying to draw attention myself.
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But I have my laptop and have the sticker on it.
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I had of the eight people in the room.
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Three came up and introduced themselves and told me there was
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hers, which is super cool. It was always very, very cool to
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have that experience. But people are out there
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listening, which is very cool, but I thought that was pretty
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neat. And then we got in somehow, we
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got into a conversation with the sale point.
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People kind of after the session was over about the heat death of
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the universe. It was a very wide-ranging
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conversation as we as it typically happens in the end any
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world. But I thought that was really
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fun. And interesting.
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Now creates that you have the sticker on your laptop but I
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wonder how many people who follow the podcast actually know
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our faces. So they these folks are so lucky
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as to those are some crazy guys. Yeah.
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I don't know. I'm I Count Their Blessings that
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they haven't seen us. It's a maybe even a minor curse
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if they have to listen to us. But yeah, I uh I don't know.
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The I guess the anonymity of a audio podcast is nice but you
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can always go on our website. Idac podcast.com, right?
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And see our pictures on the about page and whether or not
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they are current with whatever our haircuts or facial hair or
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styles are try to keep them updated, but yeah.
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Well we had that that live stream going for a while and we
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kind of abandoned that because it would be like we do a live
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stream, put it on YouTube Two Weeks Later had 14 views while
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it's just so hard with the timing.
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We couldn't find a like a good time and I mean it's already a
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real challenge. This is not our day job, right?
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We do this on the side outside of our normal day job doing
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identity and access management consulting.
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So, and with all the travel and, you know, stuff like that, it's
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it. It's really difficult to try and
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find like a specific time to say.
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Every week we're going to do that this time and I think I'd
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love to try and get back into it, but I just don't know when
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we could fit in or be consistent with it, right?
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I think the other challenge that people don't get because my tell
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my son about our podcast, and obviously, he's never listened
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but like why don't you guys do video?
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I'm like, well, it's not software.
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That makes it easy to live stream video.
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As well as do a quality of recording.
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I can find ways around that but yeah, we just haven't done that.
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I think it sets a different level, I think of expectation of
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the videos. I'm okay with it.
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I think you'll be okay with it, but I think a lot of our guests
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would prefer maybe not to be on video or maybe 50/50, so to kind
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of keep it easy and that's a whole different level of editing
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as well. So, I do the editing to audio
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settings. One thing adding video to, it
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would take exponentially longer GE.
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Probably by the time it got out to the Quality level that I want
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the difference between a recording at a live stream is I
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feel like hey why is stream? It is what it is.
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Like, there's not gonna be any editing to it.
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This is this how it happened and that's what you're going to see.
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Jim said this beep. Yeah let's talk a bit more about
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identifiers because like we've got a few different things going
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on. We get in Monday, we've got
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Tuesday, which is kind of the official first day, got the
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opening keynote and then we're going to be doing some
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recording. Live in front of a Wandering
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studio audience. I'm going to call it just
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outside the expo hall. We're supposed to start at 7:00.
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There is going to be our logo somewhere.
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I haven't seen it yet, but all I know is we'll have a table, some
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chairs and the identity of the center logo, somewhere outside.
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The expo hall area at the Aria, and we've got a few different
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guests, kind of lined up to kind of come through and draw cans.
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Yeah, drop-ins panels, whatever it may be, if there's people in
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the audience that we want to ask questions to, you know, Of the,
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you know, what's call it to people that might be watching us
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or one or like, who the heck are those guys?
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Hopefully more. But yeah we'll be recording just
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outside the expo hall at 7:00 probably getting.
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They're setting up sometime between like 6:00 and 6:30 just
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to make sure that I've got everything ready to go for
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microphones and recording and stuff like that but hopefully
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we'll see. People stop by and say hello.
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Maybe be part of the show. Yeah.
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Yeah I can't I can't wait for that, you know.
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We and it's not just something that we're doing is like Oh
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yeah, we're like popping up a table outside of the extra.
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All this is space. Those granted to us is being set
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up by the identifiers conference.
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So and everybody that we're having is droppings or not the
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people that are going to be recording with during the week,
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a few of them are like Ian. But you know what?
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With Ian it's like we want to have him on the show anytime we
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can because it's like he's such a good speaker and he's like
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these really insightful ideas. So really looking forward to
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that. After we do that opening
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session, we'll have our shutdown time and get to shake hands and
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meet folks. And by the way, I will have the
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identity of Center stickers, which can be placed anywhere,
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anywhere of your choosing, you put them on your car, throw your
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laptop, lead you put on your coffee cup, your child's
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forehead, doesn't matter. That might not be so good, but
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if you do put a picture on on LinkedIn.
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Yeah. And we will I will.
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Share it or reposted. Whatever they call it.
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Yeah. So far I think I like the best
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location I've seen is our friend Stevens on the back of his truck
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and he's got like two or three, I think on there.
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He's got, he's got a, your trailer trailer.
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Yeah. Yeah, trailer.
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He's got like all kinds of stickers, these kind of like a,
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you know, an old-school hippie. But in the tech industry, I kind
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of consider myself that that to its greater than extent.
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He still lives in easing, like Washington State, but yeah, that
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was Was that was one of the best, but I've seen a few other
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good ones to our friend, Dan Cabrera.
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But one on his coffee mug, as shared that the other day,
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someone said, I want one of those coffee mugs click.
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Well, I can help you with the sticker part, but you're not to
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buy the coffee mug yourself, right?
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It's a transfer transferable to any coffee mug of your choice.
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Well, your choice and so afterwards, if we, you know,
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shake hands and kiss babies and 8:30 that night, we're going to
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have a are co-sponsoring our company.
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Sam is co-sponsoring with octane.
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One Cosmos, a happy hour at the Aria Hotel.
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Bar is check out my LinkedIn feet of already.
22:05
Shared the registration page. It's a little bit late in the
22:07
game by the time this drops. But go out and register.
22:12
I mean, I think there's like, you know, fire capacity code
22:16
like, you know, they can have more than a certain number of
22:18
people in the area. So yeah, it's not like I said no
22:22
one cares cares. Well fire.
22:27
I yeah I mean I don't think 75 people in a small bars and make
22:31
a dent in the overall Aria population.
22:34
So anyway, that's what that's the way it is.
22:37
What about Thursday night because this is something you've
22:39
been sort of like Grassroots pulling together which is
22:43
interesting. I'll also like the fact that you
22:45
committed me to it and I was like, no, I'm not so sure yet.
22:47
But yes, I will be there. Tell us about Thursday night.
22:50
Yeah, yeah. So Thursday night, you know, I
22:53
feel like all the H events are like sponsored by vendors which
22:59
is fine. I enjoy those sponsored events
23:01
and accurate but I really want to go karaoke singing and
23:06
there's a live band. Karaoke, Thursday nights at a
23:10
bar in the Venetian called Rock house.
23:14
And there's no cover, you know, basically just show up if you
23:18
want to order drinks or food, or whatever, do it on your own
23:21
dimes, not going to be, you know, covered by anybody, but
23:25
But be a bunch of people from their Denver's conference
23:27
showing up, hopefully at least Jeff and I will be there and
23:33
just get up and sing, or watch other people join me on the
23:37
bench watching because I am not singing.
23:41
No matter. If your pressure, I'm going to
23:42
throw that right now. I am immune to peer pressure, so
23:46
don't even try it. I don't expect you to get up
23:48
there. There's no part of me that
23:50
expects you to get up. They don't want me up there.
23:52
Let's just put it that way. I don't want to be there.
23:54
You don't want me there. Let's just have a good time,
23:56
especially, cool. I mean it's something different,
23:58
right? So I said, it's not sponsor, my
24:00
buddies just kind of come going to come as you are.
24:03
There's no like sales things or anything like that.
24:05
No one's going to like collect your badge and send you 48,
24:07
different emails right on sash for using their services.
24:10
Write that kind of thing, just come hang out, have a good time
24:12
kind of decompress and you know, hopefully be amongst like-minded
24:16
people. Yeah, exactly.
24:18
I mean I kind of feel like, oh, it's always great to go to
24:21
sponsored events but I mean, You know, you ought to this karaoke
24:27
thing, no cover. What are you gonna spend a
24:29
couple bucks on a few drinks? I'd say Vegas might be a little
24:33
late. So yeah, right exactly what
24:36
couple bucks on per drink, right toe box on a Coke, may be on a
24:40
Coke. Exactly.
24:41
But I think it'll be a lot of fun whether you like to sing or
24:45
not. If it strikes a tune with you,
24:48
go for it. Either sir 99 30-ish on Thursday
24:52
night. Okay.
24:54
And that's at the van, Action. So, the Rockhouse bar at the
24:57
Venetian, which is probably wanna grab an Uber to go over
25:00
there or it's probably a decent sized walk.
25:03
Yeah. Get that spot.
25:04
But yeah, we're planning on hitting there around 9:30 or so.
25:07
And join me on the bench. We can enjoy ourselves and, and
25:11
have a vendor neutral sponsor free conversations.
25:16
It's right next to the yard bird.
25:19
Yeah, I'm gonna be there early. So I'm gonna be at the yard,
25:22
we're probably getting some chicken and waffles and Then I'm
25:25
going to hit rock bar. Yeah, that's a great plan.
25:28
That's what we've got going on for stuff.
25:30
We've got a bunch of good guess that are lined up.
25:32
That that Jim has worked painstakingly to craft.
25:36
Do we want to mention something? Obviously, it's always something
25:37
to change, just never know with cancellations, but you want to
25:40
kind of go through what we've at least as of right now.
25:43
Got planned. Yeah, yeah.
25:45
So I'm afraid to have to mention this right because things had
25:48
changed. People could be sick and not
25:51
able to make it to the conference or watch a couple
25:54
already. Yeah.
25:55
I'm going to go through the, yeah, exactly.
25:57
I'm going to go through them in current.
25:59
The order that we're recording. So from the one Cosmo seem, we
26:02
got Mike angle who's going to be returning.
26:05
Guests will be, I think it's third appearance but the last
26:08
time he was on talking about self Sovereign ID, oh wait.
26:12
You know, before I even go into too much depth on individual
26:15
sessions. So I've been I had this like
26:19
crazy idea which imagine that Jim Jim McDonald was a crazy
26:23
idea right ever happened, so I wanted to focus all of our
26:29
podcasts recordings that we on the future, what are things
26:34
going to be like in the future? And so I've been calling it
26:37
Nostradamus week. So what we take a topic like
26:42
self Sovereign, id decentralized id identity wallets, we talked
26:47
with folks from one cosmas about that.
26:50
It's not a big fixation on, you know, where are things that now?
26:55
How does it work? Like no, like in three to five
26:58
years. How's life going to be
26:59
different? We're going to be walking around
27:01
these self Sovereign IDs we're going to have these identity
27:04
wallets. How's that going to be different
27:06
than the wallet I have on my iPhone, you know, because I'm
27:09
still like grappling with that I'm still not sure.
27:12
I completely understand it. So that's one of our sessions.
27:17
Another one is like to me like really exciting.
27:20
So we're going to have and Raider and CEO and co-founder or
27:25
I think he's just maybe one and only founder, but we'll say
27:29
founder or co-founder of ping. Will find that out during the
27:33
app. How do I do a research?
27:34
Like yeah. When we or through researchers,
27:37
as we get his identity origin story?
27:42
And I mean, I just want to get his insights across a lot of
27:45
different identity topics, how things are going to be in the
27:48
future. All right, then we have gal.
27:50
Hello, I'm ski from plain' id plain', id is an Relation
27:55
company. So they're going to be shooting
27:58
me talking. She talks a lot about P back
28:01
policy policies. Yeah, policy based access
28:05
control and how that is the same or different?
28:09
From our back and a back but even more than that.
28:12
How are things going to be in the future?
28:14
Like is this this game changing technology?
28:17
We're talking about is this going to replace our back or put
28:20
a big dent in our back you know it feels like identity
28:23
practitioners. Hold on.
28:25
Strongly to our back because we all do it.
28:29
I think what's great about our back is like, we understand it,
28:32
that side of its are obvious. How it's done?
28:35
Is it makes sense? Let's explain to you.
28:38
So this policy based access control?
28:41
Is it going to change the game for gals perspective is yes, but
28:47
we'll see you, right? That's why we're having the
28:49
conversation and then last but not least, Ian Glazer from Ida
28:54
Pro. Come on and talk about how
28:56
things are going to be in the future and one of the questions
28:59
is artificial I tell intelligence blah blah blah blah
29:03
blah. So now you fill in the blank.
29:07
What is the blah, blah blah blah.
29:09
So yeah, really looking forward to this sessions and the idea is
29:13
that each one of those sessions would drop over the course of
29:18
the month of June one per week. Yeah while we're on vacation
29:22
stuff like that so gives it a break.
29:24
You are very Very concerned about missing a week, as I can,
29:28
you know, we put out what 60, maybe 70, sometimes episodes per
29:33
year, we can drop a week but no, you can.
29:36
Thank Jim. Every every Monday come rain or
29:39
shine. There is give me an episode, so
29:41
that's what happens. Well, think about.
29:43
So this would put us up to episode what 219 by the end of
29:46
June? Something like that.
29:48
Yeah, for years, every Monday, we've dropped episode.
29:52
I, we took would take off like that.
29:55
As in like New Year's and stuff like that.
29:57
Yeah and the number 219, I think is more than 4 times 52 because
30:03
we go to conferences and do some extra episodes.
30:06
But yeah I mean other than that break we take over the holiday
30:11
which were always very clear about we don't just like Miss
30:13
episodes because we get busy, we don't miss Monday drop.
30:17
So I think that's that's not just you know, I don't get all
30:21
the credit for that. You you're the one who does all
30:24
the work too. To make this happen in terms of
30:27
the editing and getting things published and getting it on
30:31
LinkedIn and everything. So, it's a team effort.
30:34
All right, let's keep going. Before he sells, congratulate
30:36
ourselves to death. We're doing a great job.
30:41
What about sessions this week? I know I've got like five,
30:43
that's kind of picked out over a couple of days.
30:46
Do you have anything that you've got your eye on that?
30:50
You're looking at attending. So, I've got a framework by
30:54
which Looked at the sessions and say, for CDs, for the horse, you
30:58
have a framework for it framework.
31:00
So, anything that was futuristic because of the Nostradamus week
31:05
theme any sessions tagged AS application of identity.
31:09
I love, you know, sessions that are focused on, you know, real
31:16
world use cases, where people have actually taken some of
31:19
these Technologies, especially at the newer Technologies and
31:22
implemented them or a no. A unique use case session.
31:28
If I people that, we know, especially our listeners and
31:31
guests sessions with introduction to in the title.
31:36
So, like introduction to pass keys, or introduction to self
31:40
Sovereign, ID. Like, I love when someone can
31:44
take a complex topic and boil it down to somebody, who knows
31:47
nothing about it. And I want to hear that, even if
31:50
I already understand that topic in depth, I want to How to
31:56
message it more clearly, so that somebody who's new to the topic
32:00
and can pick it up. Speaking of past, he's pretty
32:03
fun. Have you have you set up any
32:05
passkeys yet? No, I did for Google and it's
32:09
great. Yeah, I like it.
32:11
So I'm looking forward to more support, but if you have not set
32:14
up a passkey, you can set it up and your Google account now.
32:17
And once you do it, basically just shows up on your always for
32:22
me on the iPhone as part of your Or your keychain and no password
32:27
you just get right in if indicates you right there, it
32:30
works great. So congratulations to Google
32:32
getting that rolled out and find out.
32:33
But I just had to say that because I had, I just set mine
32:36
up. I want to say like maybe within
32:37
the last seven to ten days and I had to re Afeni Kate to it if I
32:41
saw earlier this morning and it was like super smooth and super
32:44
easy and it worked, as you expect it to.
32:46
How did you figure out how to do it?
32:49
I got an email, I think actually from Google.
32:51
I knew they had announced it just hadn't gotten around to
32:52
doing it yet, but I went through, set it up, it's in the
32:54
goo. Security settings.
32:55
It's one of the options kind of saying here that you would set
32:58
up MFA and one of them is set up a ski and you go through a brief
33:02
enrollment process. This kind of like any other MFA
33:04
type of situation, right? It's like click here, scan this
33:08
code, do this thing and then, you know, verify your identity
33:12
on the device and then you're good to go.
33:14
That's it. What's neat?
33:15
Is that it doesn't require at least on the iPhone doesn't
33:17
require a separate app. So it's built into iOS and it's
33:22
part of the the keychain there. So now it's just Hey if you know
33:26
I get the prompt it's a native prompt that comes up with
33:30
educate through Biometrics on the phone and I'm in, that's it.
33:32
Very cool. The last part of my framework
33:35
was all things Fido pass keys and anything to do with securing
33:40
cloud and devops. And I did notice one session
33:44
from to Bora, they have a session referring to the machine
33:49
identities as workflow identities.
33:52
So I'm interested to sit in that session.
33:55
One thing I have a strong feeling that the management of
34:00
these machine identities and how to use, it's much more than a
34:04
much more of a framework than, just, a technology like Secrets
34:07
management. If the whole sessions about
34:09
Secrets management check and check out accounts like I'm
34:13
going to be pretty disappointed. So the last thing I would say is
34:18
that, you know, it wouldn't be me if I didn't log a complaint.
34:24
My complaint is that I wish I knew which sessions would be
34:28
available for offline viewing after the conference because you
34:33
know, a lot of times sessions, you know, there's more than one
34:36
session that looks interesting at the same time and I probably
34:40
go in person to the one that is not being recorded and watch the
34:44
record of one later. So just for for future, if
34:49
you're a conference planner out there setting up a future
34:52
identity conference. That's what I would like has a
34:54
future. Yeah, that's a comment by.
34:56
That's a common complaint with every, I think conference,
34:59
right? There's always competing
35:00
sessions which will do you go to it's expensive to do those
35:04
recordings and put them out there.
35:05
So certainly an added cost I think it's worth it but every
35:09
conference treats little bit different, I have no idea what
35:11
identify verse is doing this year.
35:13
But historically, they have made a lot of them available after
35:16
the fact through either YouTube or other mechanisms stuff like
35:20
that. So hopefully we see things
35:22
something similar this year. So what about you?
35:23
What are you looking forward to? To, I did not apply a framework.
35:28
The way I looked at it was like, okay, I want to look for
35:30
customer stories, things that are not vendor driven as much as
35:35
I could. So I took that as sort of like
35:37
my priority and I just pick topics that either.
35:39
I want to know more about or that.
35:42
I think might be interesting. You know, things like that.
35:45
There's one Mo kidnapped from ebony.
35:48
Love at McDonald's. I'll sing it here for you is the
35:51
only way to go but up up up, bottleneck addressing Crump
35:55
Being challenges at McDonald's, which I think would be
35:58
interesting to understand. You know, how, they, how they
36:01
rapidly onboard off-board people.
36:03
I think, is sort of the intention of it and I think
36:05
that's something a lot of companies are Sven.
36:07
So I'm kind of going that to look at it more from like a
36:09
fast-paced, you know, dynamic environment.
36:13
When you have to do that, quick onboarding off boring and see
36:15
what they did to tackle, it Eve mailer has that's on Wednesday,
36:20
he's mayor has one called can subsidiarity save Relation,
36:25
which is a real tongue twister of a title, one Eve's great.
36:30
So, booking further speak, but I'm one understand.
36:32
What does she mean by subsidiarity?
36:35
Because I'm still trying to wrap my head around still
36:38
decentralized and what are the different options that kind of
36:41
come along with that? Absolutely, that's on my list,
36:45
too. Yeah, Thursday, there is
36:48
something that I'm pretty interested in.
36:49
Identity in the c-suite, the role of the chief identity
36:52
officer, that's a panel I know of Going beyond that, as well as
36:55
Andy handle and and Hindu others.
36:57
Right? I don't know if it's a keynote
36:59
or not, but I like the idea of has identity and access
37:02
management as a function, within a company risen to a c-suite
37:08
level roll, like the Chief Information Security Officer or
37:11
the Chief Information officer or it officer right?
37:14
Things like that. What our organizations starting
37:18
to say, hey, yeah, we do need a chief identity officer, I like
37:21
the idea, but I want to see what the panel thinks about.
37:24
It and kind of helped inform my view of it as well.
37:27
It's a panel is listening. One thing I'd like to know is
37:31
like, what does that mean? Like if you say somebody's the
37:34
Chief privacy officer, what's the difference between that and
37:38
saying there are the director or VP of privacy?
37:42
I think I think privacy generally is more on the
37:45
regulation side of things typically whereas the identity
37:49
officer is something that supports that I'd, it's a great
37:52
question. I have no idea.
37:54
I know the rhyme What is the word chief mean?
37:57
This is the word chief mean, like, is that something
38:00
different than just being in charge of and being a VP.
38:03
When I see the word Chief, I think c-suite, you are in charge
38:08
of something for the organization and the buck stops
38:10
with you, you're the chief executive officer CEO, you know,
38:17
whatever that looks like and maybe that's a good thing, bad
38:19
thing. I like the idea of identity
38:21
having a much higher visibility roll with more pull.
38:24
Because a lot of times identity is kind of shoved in under
38:27
typically information security in the sea, so kind of typically
38:30
represents it, but maybe it's, you know, the CIO, it does some
38:33
it as well. But if this moves identity up
38:36
the stack into the corporate hierarchy, I think that's a good
38:40
idea. I'm in favor of that.
38:42
Yeah. So obviously obviously right
38:44
Dad. No, I'm not, I ask the
38:45
questions. A few truly just don't know.
38:49
Yeah, I don't think anybody knows.
38:51
I, I don't know of anybody who was a chief identity officer.
38:55
And what I'll call the real world, maybe at like an identity
38:57
company or something like that. Like our friend of the friend of
39:00
the show. David mati is the chief identity
39:03
officer had Trends with security and identity company.
39:07
Yeah, that's a real world. Damn it?
39:10
Yeah, well, I separate identity, people, identity vendors and
39:13
people like you. And I in the Consulting business
39:15
into, you know, the real world. Our Enterprise people in the
39:18
real world, who are you? The not software vendors are not
39:20
doing consulting services there. There are solving the real
39:23
identity problems in the real world.
39:25
Yeah. The practitioners.
39:26
Yep. So that's why I'm looking
39:28
forward to. There's another one with Pamela
39:31
Dingle and tia Loudon from I think Microsoft.
39:34
I don't Pamela's with Microsoft think they're both from
39:35
Microsoft history is written by the anomalies know the numbers
39:39
or be the news that's on Thursday as well.
39:42
I always liked facts and figures I mean they're great for kind of
39:44
pointing out things. Obviously you know, one
39:46
understand the data behind that but hopefully there'll be some
39:49
new facts and figures that kind of point you to help articulate.
39:52
Why identity is important or Facets of identity are important
39:56
to people especially in the kind of role that I play.
39:58
And then on Friday, one thing that I am always looking to do
40:03
is how we develop new identity Talent.
40:06
So Aaron Crow who has been on the show before as well.
40:08
So I didn't just pick people who show, but I like the topic
40:12
building the plane while flying or how to develop new identity
40:15
talent. I think that's, that's a big
40:18
risk for a lot of organizations is, how do you find the right
40:20
people and how do you find train?
40:23
You know, how do you, how do you get your people just being
40:24
SeaWorld. Right?
40:25
You and I are working us in our day jobs, right?
40:27
How do we make sure that our teams are staffed trained, you
40:31
know experts you know in a given area that kind of thing and
40:34
every organization kind of subtle suffers with that so I'm
40:36
looking to see look forward to see what Aaron says maybe she's
40:39
got some tips and tricks for us that we can take back into the
40:41
real show. She you got some real insightful
40:45
ideas so I think that's one thing.
40:47
Like I read the description of the eaves presentation and the
40:52
what did he call it subsidiaries.
40:54
I don't even know what that is, but if I know anything about
40:59
he's freezing tations are walk out of it, knowing what that is.
41:03
And so, that's what I really love is like, take that complex
41:07
hobby that I don't understand. Now at make me understand it so
41:13
there may be specific shove the knowledge into your brain, make
41:18
me pay attention, Okay? So there are a few that that
41:22
struck a chord. With me, one was I think it's on
41:26
Tuesday, 2023 Trends in securing digital identities.
41:31
There are two friends of the show, Tom Sheffield from Target,
41:35
Jeff Reich from idsa as well as a few other obviously bright
41:41
folks who are going to be talking about these secure about
41:44
these Trends. I love Trends.
41:47
Zero trust architecture for b2c identity and at General Motors
41:51
and your Cameron. He's not a current friend of the
41:53
show but Talk to him a lot on LinkedIn.
41:56
So really should be a friend of the show.
41:58
So Andrew, we need to talk about that but looking forward to your
42:01
talk folks, from Visa are presenting, IGA strategies for
42:07
achieving least privilege. And obviously this something
42:10
that I've been picking a lot on lately on the show now which of
42:14
these is the use of credit card or for so Dez.
42:18
A okay. These like not yeah not like a
42:21
Visa card but he's the like the Shane Company and then connect
42:26
the car identities to scale with someone dr.
42:30
Stephen venema, PhD from Fort Rock.
42:34
I had Ian's session on the, was the chief.
42:43
I'm sorry, this was on the ceremony.
42:44
So again, just kind of like, from the standpoint that he's
42:47
pretty insightful, but I think also, you can take something
42:50
that you think, you know, about and give a Twist to it.
42:54
You're like oh okay. I never thought of it that way.
42:58
This shot is doing a collision course ethics versus human
43:02
centered design in the new perimeter and I got a taste of
43:07
that human-centered design so I think I get that I think it
43:12
affects I think I've heard of that before but the new
43:14
parameter I'm not sure what that is but it is Sean's to Fantastic
43:18
presenter. And what a good presenter.
43:20
He is our friend David Maddie's doing a presentation Ation is a
43:25
time to panic. How attackers are leveraging
43:28
Chad gvt. And how to respond with
43:31
intelligent identity security. So I'll be there in honor of
43:35
you. Jeff president, Chachi fatigue.
43:38
I yeah. Vittorio's presenting on
43:42
verifiable credentials for the identity practitioner.
43:45
I think he's going to pull it down.
43:47
So even people like me can understand it.
43:49
I've got the eve session that you just talked about the
43:53
c-suite discussion. You It talked about, there's
43:56
also one from thales group resumes B2B.
43:59
I am a gap between modern demands and current practices
44:03
and, you know, B2B is kind of, like, one of my areas that I'm
44:06
pretty passionate about, and I am and then there's one house.
44:10
Hyatt, how high it is. Driving exceptional customer
44:14
experiences with modern phyto, pastoralist authentication.
44:18
And will be someone there from from Hyatt, someone there from
44:21
yubico. And then programming engineers,
44:25
how standard shape, the way we we work with just the rykor and
44:30
Justin is a future friend of the show is going to be on in July.
44:36
So keep tuned for that episode. He was actually recommended to
44:40
me by Mike would burn, who heard him on Victoria's podcast and
44:43
it's like, you got to get this guy on your show.
44:46
So I reached out to him, he's an IDP, remember that's it.
44:49
And, you know, the real rub is I just mentioned all those
44:54
sessions, it's going to be hard to attend all the sessions with
44:56
the recordings and everything. So I'm going to add them to my
45:00
agenda and get to as many as possible.
45:02
Yeah. The same thing I tried not to
45:04
kill myself this time. I'm going to spend a lot of time
45:06
back and forth doing recording episodes and probably the vendor
45:09
Hall and the couple of sessions that I've got targeted going
45:12
back and forth. But so you're going to be trying
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to pick up free schwag. Now, I just have the Locking
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stitches that I need to have with with folks.
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I try to set an extremely low. Low expectation.
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Level for schwag at conferences, these days.
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I haven't seen anything really cool or interesting in a while,
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actually. So hopefully, I'll be a
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surprise, but if I find, if I keep my expectations low, it's
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like, yeah, I don't need another t-shirt, or a camera cover or
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anything like that. Like, almost under socks.
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I'm not a sock guy that doesn't, it doesn't do anything for me
45:43
either. I know this actor, populate, the
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stock population is out there. I get it, it's just not my
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thing. I joined the sock movement like
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10 years after it started, so kind of like behind the curve on
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socks, but they're pretty cool. I like them.
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All right, let's go ahead and wrap things up.
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Hopefully people have saved trips out to Vegas.
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Hopefully, we'll see people stop by our live wandering audience
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session, 7 p.m. Tuesday night before we go what
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you're going to be your karaoke song on Thursday night that
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you're going to Be Belton out. So if you picked one yet, or you
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have a couple. So, Denise is going to pick one
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that will sing together and it'll minimize the part that I
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have to do. Nobody wants to hear me sing a
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three or four minutes. Well, I have not found anything
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yet. I've heard she's fantastic so I
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could forward to that. Did he says your girlfriend by
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the way, right? Yes.
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Exactly. And so this one thing to
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prepare, so anybody who's planning on going out, who wants
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to sing go out to the Rock House website, you can find it on
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Google and they have a list of songs.
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These are the live band. It's not like they're just
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picking 10,000 songs from, you know the kairosoft library you
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have like 40 50 songs to choose from.
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So pick one that, you know, maybe listen to it a few times
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before you go. That's that's all I've got.
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What about you, Jeff? What are you hoping to hear?
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You didn't, but you didn't name a song.
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I think it's going to be a surprise.
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It's going to be a surprise, okay?
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Well, I'm not singing any song. So this is purely a question for
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you. I'm hopeful that I'll hear maybe
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some 90s Alternatives or Nirvana, some Pearl Jam, maybe
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someones braved up there. Do maybe some Metallica or
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Megadeath Ultra Brave. Maybe some corn.
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Who knows, right? Oh, that's not gonna happen.
47:37
That gives you some insight into why I don't get on stage among
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other reasons. All right, let's go ahead and
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wrap it up for this week. Safe travels to everybody, you
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know, make sure that everyone gets out there safe Sound come
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up. Say hello to us, you know, we'd
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love to meet folks, who listen to the show, tell us what we
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like, what you don't like. So we can make adjustments all
47:56
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Jim. Any final final thoughts for
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this, this episode. Yeah, so I got some feedback
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about the opening jingle and people are glad to have it back.
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Glad to have the guitar riff I, you know, when I created that I
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don't have many years ago as well as now, I was like, okay,
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well, I'm not musical at all. But let me try to put something
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together and I was surprised at how many people commented when
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we shift for episode 202, a different jingle.
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So, yes, back by popular demand, but with a better voice over, I
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mean, my voice over sucks. So I think people mostly like
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the to do do, do, do do. I'm not turn that into a clip
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and make that like a ringtone or something.
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I tell you that. All right, connect with Jim, and
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