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The Kenny Report | 15 August · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me. Tonight, the Gaza refugee controversy blows
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Speaker 1: up in Canberra. Claims of racism are thrown around and
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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister is caught out fudging a quote on
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Speaker 1: security checks. I'll speak to Shadow Immigration Minister Dan Ten.
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Speaker 1: Free speech under assault in the UK is similar tensions
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Speaker 1: play out there. Alexander Downer joins me. The Liberal Party
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Speaker 1: in New South Wales falls into disarray over a monumental
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Speaker 1: stuff up on local government elections. All that plus Mark
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Speaker 1: Nicholson and Johannah Sleek and astronauts lost in space, let's
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Speaker 1: get cracking. Here we go again. It is deja vu.
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Speaker 1: The political left cannot help themselves on this stuff. When
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Speaker 1: it comes to immigration, border protection and national security. The
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Speaker 1: Green left are all about virtue signaling, and in order
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Speaker 1: to trumpet their own moral superiority, they have to find
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Speaker 1: a villain, and that's invariably a conservative, and the Left
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Speaker 1: then switched to full on personal abuse of their villain.
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Speaker 1: It is ugly and it is contradictory because they spew
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Speaker 1: this abuse and create conflict to try to portray themselves
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Speaker 1: as compassionate and unifying. They are at at full bore
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Speaker 1: now against Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 2: We hurt you in silence. You can hear me in silence.
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Speaker 1: Stop being racist.
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Speaker 3: Think what Peter Dutton was doing in the Parliament was
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Speaker 3: once again seeking to win votes by frightening and dividing Australians.
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Speaker 1: He so spear and he show's division.
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Speaker 4: That's what he does, That's where he's done his entire
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Speaker 4: political career, and that's what he continues to do.
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Speaker 1: We have seen all this before, the vitriol and claims
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Speaker 1: of racism or dog whistling directed John Howard and Philip
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Speaker 1: Ruddick or Tony Abbott and Scott Morrison, and the fact
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Speaker 1: that the leftists of the Labor Party and the Greens
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Speaker 1: have been so wrong so often on these issues border
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Speaker 1: protection and immigration, it's never stopped them. The latest controversy
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Speaker 1: fits this pattern perfectly, with revelations Labor has granted visas
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Speaker 1: to almost three thousand people from Gaza since the October
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Speaker 1: the seventh atrocity, and that support for hamas does not
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Speaker 1: preclude people from entry, and that security checks can be
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Speaker 1: cursory and not even involve face to face interviews. Then
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Speaker 1: the Opposition leader made what most Australians might think is
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Speaker 1: a sensible call.
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Speaker 5: Mass is a listed terrorist organization. They've just committed an
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Speaker 5: atrocity against the Jewish people, the biggest attack on people
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Speaker 5: of Jewish faith since a Holocaust, and that the government
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Speaker 5: wouldn't be conducting Czechs. I don't think people should be
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Speaker 5: coming in from that war zone at all at the moment.
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Speaker 5: It's not prudent to do so, and I think it
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Speaker 5: puts our national security at risk.
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Speaker 1: To try to portray this position as racist or divisive
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Speaker 1: is to fly in the face of reality. Egypt, for instance,
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Speaker 1: which adjoins Gaza and used to run Gaza, is not
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Speaker 1: taking refugees from Gaza. Is Egypt racist? Jordan, which is
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Speaker 1: the homeland to three million Palestinians and adjoins the West Bank,
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Speaker 1: it refuses to take refugees from Gaza too, is Jordan racist?
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Speaker 1: This is patently absurd and it just begs the question
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Speaker 1: of why the political left in this country believes it's
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Speaker 1: Australia's job to do what Arab Muslim nations will not do.
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Speaker 1: The nastiness is everywhere in Parliament at the moment, even
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Speaker 1: in the corridors. Peter Darton has laid out a pathway
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Speaker 1: more so than many of Palestine's own neighbors would.
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Speaker 3: How you say something about the children that are.
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Speaker 1: Bengus laughter children being slaughtered? This Green's senator was presumably
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Speaker 1: talking about Palestinian children allegedly killed in Israel's war against Hummas,
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Speaker 1: not the Israeli children deliberately slaughtered by Hummas. On October seventh,
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Speaker 1: the new attack against Dutton from Labor and even Independent
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Speaker 1: Jackie Lamby is that he could inspire hatred on our streets.
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Speaker 4: The last thing you want to be doing is heightening
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Speaker 4: anger here in this country, and that's exactly what Peter
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Speaker 4: Dutton's stoy.
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Speaker 6: The dg of Asio was in the media on the
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Speaker 6: weekend calling on politicians to tone down our language about
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Speaker 6: these issues. Within three days, Peter Dutton is out there
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Speaker 6: inflaming things again like he always does for them.
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Speaker 4: Everything, everything that happens is an opportunity to try to
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Speaker 4: divide Australia at a time, in spite of the Director
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Speaker 4: General's very clear warnings about the climate that we are in,
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Speaker 4: the very clear warnings and his call for responsible political leadership,
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Speaker 4: we're seeing anything but that from those opposites.
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Speaker 1: Now, this is disingenuous, to say the very least, because
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Speaker 1: hatred has already been seen on our streets far too
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Speaker 1: often and with far too little by way of a
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Speaker 1: response from the Government and the Prime Minister. The whole
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Speaker 1: point of the approach being promoted by Dutton and the
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Speaker 1: Coalition is that we have this hatred going unpunished in
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Speaker 1: the community. We've had the terror alert level lifted to
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Speaker 1: probable and in those circumstances it is doubly reckless to
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Speaker 1: bring in people from Gaza, possibly Hummus supporters, without proper
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Speaker 1: and detailed secure he checks.
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Speaker 7: And they've changed the policy so they've said that they
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Speaker 7: will bring people into Australia who are sympathizers with the
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Speaker 7: listed terrorist organization. Could you imagine if we were proposing
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Speaker 7: to bring people in who are sympathetic to another listed
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Speaker 7: terrorist organization like al Qaeda.
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Speaker 8: Or isl or ISIS.
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Speaker 7: It's completely unacceptable and the government's trying to patch this up,
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Speaker 7: but they are putting our country at risk. We can
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Speaker 7: take people in a measured, responsible way. That's not what
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Speaker 7: they've done.
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Speaker 1: In Parliament. The debate became even more complicated and more
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Speaker 1: willing when the Prime Minister sought to defend his processes
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Speaker 1: and security checks by quoting the AZO chief.
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Speaker 4: Thank you, missus, Speaker, I have I'll refer to what
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Speaker 4: the ASIA Director General himself has said. If they've been
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Speaker 4: issued a visa, they've gone through the process, they're referred
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Speaker 4: to my organization and ASIA doesn't seem.
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Speaker 1: As me. But what the AZO said was different, and
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Speaker 1: the bit the Prime Minister left out was the bit
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Speaker 1: that made clear not all applicants are referred to ASIO.
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Speaker 9: Birth they've been issued a visa, they've gone through the process.
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Speaker 9: Part of that visa process is where criteria hit. They're
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Speaker 9: referred to my organization and AZIO does its thing.
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Speaker 1: Oh, only referred to AZIO when the criteria are hit.
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Speaker 1: That bit was left out by the Prime Minister. So
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Speaker 1: the opposition leader made the serious allegation that the PM
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Speaker 1: had misled the parliament.
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Speaker 7: Mister Speaker, this prime minister has no shade. He's misled
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Speaker 7: the House and he should apologize.
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Speaker 1: The debate was put off till later, but regardless, a
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Speaker 1: point was made, and over a series of questions, it's
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Speaker 1: been made clear now that not all of the people
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Speaker 1: from Gaza were subjected to full security checks. This question
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Speaker 1: zeroed in on the part of the Azo boss's statement
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Speaker 1: that the Prime Minister had left out in the middle
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Speaker 1: of his quote.
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Speaker 10: The Albanesi government, primarily Underminister Giles, has issued more than
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Speaker 10: two nine hundred visas to individuals from the Gaza war
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Speaker 10: zone since the October seven atrocity. Were all the individuals
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Speaker 10: referred to AZIO for security checks or was it only
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Speaker 10: where criteria are hit?
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Speaker 1: But none of these specific queries were answered.
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Speaker 4: I think the member for his question, I refer to
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Speaker 4: my previous answers, where I've indicated that what we do
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Speaker 4: is we have in place appropriate arrangements to secure our
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Speaker 4: national security and to keep people safe.
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Speaker 1: Now this is a deadly serious debate. Public safety and
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Speaker 1: social cohesion are at stake, but fundamental to that is
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Speaker 1: the public having confidence in our immigration system and our
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Speaker 1: border security processes. And in this interview on Sky this afternoon,
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Speaker 1: a refugee from Gaza seemed to be aware of any
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Speaker 1: security check carried out on her.
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Speaker 11: I don't know what are the security checks that have
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Speaker 11: been held, but I trust that those Satan government that
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Speaker 11: the security checks needed. I mean, I cannot say that
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Speaker 11: I know what are the security checks that have been done.
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Speaker 1: Now that has to be concerning. If there'd been a
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Speaker 1: face to face interview, you'd be aware of a security
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Speaker 1: check with criminals set free from immigration to tens and
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Speaker 1: now revelations that up to three thousand people can come
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Speaker 1: in from Gaza even if they support Hummas and even
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Speaker 1: without one on one security checks. The alban Easy Labor
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Speaker 1: government is playing with fire and shouting racism and other
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Speaker 1: abuse that Peter Dutton only increases the perception that the
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Speaker 1: government has no control over the situation. Joining me now
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Speaker 1: is Shutdow Immigration Minister Dan ten As you saw he
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Speaker 1: was involved in that questioning during a question time he
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Speaker 1: joins me from Parliament House. Good to talk to you, Dan,
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Speaker 1: tell us what's got to happen here, because if you're
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Speaker 1: saying that all migration from Gaza has to stop until
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Speaker 1: there are proper security checks, you need them to change.
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Speaker 1: You need the government to put in more relevant, more
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Speaker 1: pertinent security checks. But they seem to be suggesting that
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Speaker 1: the current situation is fine.
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Speaker 12: That's exactly right, Chris, and their Prime Minister has taken
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Speaker 12: the extraordinary step today which I've never seen where he
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Speaker 12: is misquoted the Director General of ASIO in the Parliament
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Speaker 12: to suit his argument saying that all the proper security
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Speaker 12: checks were taken. Now, this is extraordinary and the Prime
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Speaker 12: Minister on many day must correct the record. Mike Burgers,
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Speaker 12: the Director General of ASIOL has served this nation.
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Speaker 8: Or doing its number.
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Speaker 12: One priority, keeping doing the government's number one priority keeping
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Speaker 12: this nation safe, and for the Prime Minister to miss
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Speaker 12: quoting in this way is completely unheard of and people
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Speaker 12: need to have confidence in the Prime Minister that he
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Speaker 12: understands the importance.
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Speaker 8: Of keeping the Australian community safe.
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Speaker 12: And if he's prepared to misquote and mislead the Australian
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Speaker 12: people in misquoting the Director General of ASIO, then this
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Speaker 12: is stooping to a new low. We know he's allowed
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Speaker 12: Andrew Giles, the former Immigration Minister, to misquote in the
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Speaker 12: Parliament and get away with it when it came to
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Speaker 12: whether all detainees have been released with.
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Speaker 10: Proper visas and visa conditions.
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Speaker 8: But for him to do this on this issue is
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Speaker 8: incredibly serious.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I think this is much more than an
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Speaker 1: insider's argument because, as you know, I've been around Parliament
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Speaker 1: for a long while, including sitting in on both sides
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Speaker 1: of the chamber in the Advisor's box, and I've never
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Speaker 1: seen one as clear cut as this before. The Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister was reading out a transcript a quote from the
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Speaker 1: Director General of ASIO, and the bit he left out
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Speaker 1: made it sound like all the applicants were being referred
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Speaker 1: to ASIO. The bit that he left out makes clear
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Speaker 1: that that's not the case. It's only when criteria are
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Speaker 1: hit that the applicants are referred to ASIO. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he really has to apologize and correct the record, doesn't
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Speaker 1: he or it makes a joke of the actual parliamentary rules.
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Speaker 8: It does.
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Speaker 12: It makes a joke of his own standards, his own
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Speaker 12: code of practice, which he is meant to apply to
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Speaker 12: ministers if he won't apply it to himself.
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Speaker 8: It makes a complete joke of the Parliament.
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Speaker 12: And it means anyone can do or say anything, including
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Speaker 12: selectively use quotes, take out relevant parts and say that
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Speaker 12: is fine.
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Speaker 8: I mean, we haven't seen the like of this.
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Speaker 12: You could understand it if it was a misquote of
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Speaker 12: someone who was president of a community organization. This is
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Speaker 12: deliberately misquoting the Director General of ASIO, who the government
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Speaker 12: puts in charge of our national security. So for the
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Speaker 12: Prime Minister to try and bat this way or dismiss
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Speaker 12: it shows that he doesn't take his number one priority
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Speaker 12: of keeping the Australian community safe.
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Speaker 8: I've never seen the like of this.
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Speaker 12: And the worst thing is he had the opportunity almost
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Speaker 12: immediately after Peter Dutton raised it with him to correct
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Speaker 12: the record.
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Speaker 8: Yet he failed to do that.
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Speaker 12: He failed to come back into the Parliament after question
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Speaker 12: time to correct the record. And as you've pointed out,
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Speaker 12: and as the clip showed that previously he was reading it,
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Speaker 12: he can't say he was paraphrasing the Director General of
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Speaker 12: ASIO because he was reading the quote. And the extraordinary
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Speaker 12: thing is there's actually two incidences in that Insider's interview
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Speaker 12: where Mike Burgers, the Director General of ASIO, makes it
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Speaker 12: clear that not all of those who are coming from
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Speaker 12: the gars of war zone were checked were being checked
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Speaker 12: by ASIO. There are two incidents in there, and yet
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Speaker 12: he has tried to gloss over that through misquoting him
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Speaker 12: from that Inside As interview.
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Speaker 1: But that's been obvious less than a disgrace. That's been
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Speaker 1: obvious to anyone who's been watching. We've been saying on
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Speaker 1: this program all week that not all the applicants were
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Speaker 1: being referred to ASIO. Now the path forward here is
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Speaker 1: that the compromise that you would accept if there was
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Speaker 1: a guarantee from the government that every applicant at least
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Speaker 1: had some face to face contact with ASIO, some sort
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Speaker 1: of security interview with ASIO. Would that mean that you
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Speaker 1: would be happy for this migration to continue.
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Speaker 12: Well, the first thing we want to see is the
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Speaker 12: government admit that have got it wrong, that it's taken
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Speaker 12: the unpreceded step of allowing people to come from the
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Speaker 12: gars of war zone on tourists visas. Now that has
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Speaker 12: never happened in Australia's history from a terrorist controlled territory,
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Speaker 12: that we've taken people on visas which are tourist visas.
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Speaker 12: So they have to admit they got it wrong. And
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Speaker 12: the Prime Minister and the new Immigration Minister should be
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Speaker 12: able to admit that because it was the previous Immigration
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Speaker 12: minister who did that. Now we know that he was
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Speaker 12: hapless in everything he handled, so they should just be
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Speaker 12: able to admit we got it wrong. And we're going
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Speaker 12: to make sure that all those who are currently here will.
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Speaker 8: Get those types of checks.
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Speaker 12: So that they will get those in person interviews, that
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Speaker 12: that biometric testing will be done, that they will liaise
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Speaker 12: with allies to make sure that there's nothing that they
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Speaker 12: have on these individuals which might point to them being
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Speaker 12: a risk to security here in Australia, and also the
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Speaker 12: interviews asking them what their views are on mass. That
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Speaker 12: is the first step that should be taken, and then
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Speaker 12: the Prime Minister should come straight and clean with the
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Speaker 12: Australian people and say that has all been done. That
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Speaker 12: is what the Prime Minister and the Immigration Minister need
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Speaker 12: to do, and that is what we will continue to
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Speaker 12: be asking them to do.
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Speaker 1: Just very briefly, Dan, you've seen it so many times,
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Speaker 1: but the claims of racism and divisiveness and xenophobia directed
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Speaker 1: at Peter Dutton, do you just brush that off or
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Speaker 1: does that need to be counted.
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Speaker 12: Well, obviously we've got to call it out and say
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Speaker 12: that this is just not true and people are just
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Speaker 12: throwing words around to distract from the point that we
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Speaker 12: are making points that go to a government's number one.
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Speaker 8: Duty to keep the Australian people safe.
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Speaker 12: What we're seeing here is completely unprecedented and it's about
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Speaker 12: protecting our nation. It doesn't matter whether it's coming from
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Speaker 12: the Gaza war zone or whether it's coming from Syria
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Speaker 12: when parts of it were controlled by ISIS or when
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Speaker 12: parts of Iraq were controlled by ICE. What any government
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Speaker 12: needs to do, no matter where it's occurring, is make
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Speaker 12: sure that the people are coming here get the relevant
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Speaker 12: and appropriate security checks.
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Speaker 1: Now, I don't think that's hard for Australians to understand's happened. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: obviously it hasn't been happening. It's got to be beefed up.
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Speaker 1: But they're going to have to admit error to do that,
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Speaker 1: so it's going to be difficult in coming days we
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Speaker 1: shall see. Thanks so much joining us down. I appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Dan Tee and the Shadow Immigration mis Tolive from Canberra.
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Speaker 1: They're stuck down to Melbourne now and catch up with
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Speaker 1: Alex Rivtchen, Executive count from the Executive Council of Australian Jury.
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Speaker 1: He's the co CEO there. Thanks for joining us, Alex.
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Speaker 1: First up, from your point of view, is this the
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Speaker 1: right call to pause the influx of refugees from Gaza
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Speaker 1: until we're satisfied by security checks.
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Speaker 9: Look, there's clearly an issue to be addressed. I mean,
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Speaker 9: Australia has a long and proud record of bringing in
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Speaker 9: refugees from all over the world. People who have stood
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Speaker 9: up to tyrannical refugees, whether those who the dissidents that
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Speaker 9: fled Iran or the Soviet Union or Vietnam, and these
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Speaker 9: people have contributed immensely to our country. So if there
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Speaker 9: are people in Gaza who are legitimate dissidents and have
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Speaker 9: something to fear from the Humas regime, then they should
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Speaker 9: be considered for migration of this country. But what we've
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Speaker 9: seen from the street scenes of celebration of the October
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Speaker 9: seven atrocities, the participation of civilians in those atrocities, the
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Speaker 9: keeping of hostages in the homes of civilians, and we've
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Speaker 9: seen polling and data over and over again showing the
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Speaker 9: exceeding majority of Ghazan's support Humas. So in no circumstances,
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Speaker 9: we've got to be extremely careful about what we bring
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Speaker 9: to this country.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also the case, not to put too fine
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Speaker 1: a point on it, we know from reporting that the
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Speaker 1: dissidents in Gaza tend not to survive. They are either
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Speaker 1: quiet or they're eliminated by Hamas. Isn't that the case?
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Speaker 9: Well, that's right. There isn't any democratic institutions, there's no
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Speaker 9: endios or opposition. Hamas has successfully infiltrated and commands every
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Speaker 9: single aspect of civil and private life in Gaza. You know,
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Speaker 9: they run their tunnels under the homes, under people's homes.
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Speaker 9: They've insinuated themselves into the education system, into the hospital system.
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Speaker 9: Hammas is absolutely everywhere. There's no opposition. They sort of
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Speaker 9: that in two thousand and six when they've victored Fatah
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Speaker 9: with brute force. So it's difficult to see people in
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Speaker 9: Gaza actually being legitimate dissidence to that regime.
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Speaker 1: Well, this is why this is so important to the
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Speaker 1: Australian Jewish community, because you've had people on the steps
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Speaker 1: of the opera house saying death to the Jews or
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Speaker 1: where's the Jews and all the rest of it. We've
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Speaker 1: had celebrations of innocent Israelis being slaughtered on the streets.
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Speaker 1: We've had the intimidation of a protest going into Jewish areas.
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Speaker 1: You would be horrified, would you if among the refugees,
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Speaker 1: the migrants coming from Gaza, there are Hamas sympathizers, rhetorical
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Speaker 1: or not.
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Speaker 9: Well, that would be horrific. And you know, I have
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Speaker 9: great sympathy for Palesadinian civilians in Gaza who are affected
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Speaker 9: or displaced by the war. Certainly but again, we have
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Speaker 9: to be realistic about the ideology that's been imposed on
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Speaker 9: these people through sixteen years of absolute Humas rule. And
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Speaker 9: they draw no distinction between Israelis and Jews. If you
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Speaker 9: listen to the recordings of the Octobers eventrocities, they speak
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Speaker 9: only of Jews and this is what's then fed to
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Speaker 9: the people. So we need to be very concerned about
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Speaker 9: what sort of ideology we're i poorting into this country.
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Speaker 9: We have to be generous, we have to be humane.
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Speaker 9: The national securities of course paramount.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just want to show you some comments from
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Speaker 1: Ziad baz Uni. You'll know he's the new Muslim independent
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Speaker 1: candidate running against Tony Burke in the seat of Watson.
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Speaker 1: Here's what he's told sky News this afternoon.
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Speaker 3: The only way you can characterize it would be political, racist.
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Speaker 1: Dog whistling. That's his assessment of what the opposition is proposing.
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Speaker 9: Your reaction, well, I think it's a very convenient and
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Speaker 9: cynical way to avoid a legitimate debate and to avoid
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Speaker 9: the sort of arguments put forward by the opposition leader.
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Speaker 9: No one is suggesting a ban on Arabs to this country.
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Speaker 9: No one is suggesting a bat on Muslims to this country.
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Speaker 9: No one is even suggesting about on Palestinians to this country.
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Speaker 9: The talk is about the people who are living under
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Speaker 9: a brutal, jihadist, fascistic, genocidal, antisemitic regime in Gaza and
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Speaker 9: the ability to vet people from that territory. That's the
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Speaker 9: question here. It has nothing to do with race whatsoever,
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Speaker 9: no matter how much people choose to make it about
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Speaker 9: that for their own convenience.
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Speaker 1: Alex, thanks so much for joining us. I appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Alix Richard there, who's with the Executive Council of Australian
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Speaker 1: Jury Don't Go Away. Will have a break coming up.
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Speaker 1: I'll be talking to my panel, Mark Nicholson and Johannes League.
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Speaker 1: We'll talk about Peter Dutton winning this argument over Gaza refugees,
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Speaker 1: whether that's happening or not. Also, two astronauts lost in space.
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Speaker 1: How long will they be stuck up there? Now? There
22:19
Speaker 1: is an incredible story unfolding that I just need to
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Speaker 1: update for you. It's a bit like two thousand and
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Speaker 1: one of Space Odyssey in real life. It began like
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Speaker 1: this ignition and lift off. The two lifted off in
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Speaker 1: their bowling Starliner spaceship on a ten day test flight
22:37
Speaker 1: back on June fifth. Yeah. On board that Boeing star
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Speaker 1: Liner rocket were two astronauts and they were supposed to
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Speaker 1: be on a ten day mission to the International Space Station,
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Speaker 1: but Anita Williams and Barry Wilmore they have now been
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Speaker 1: on the space station for more than two months because
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Speaker 1: there were problems with the star Liner during docking, and
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Speaker 1: Boeing and that have been trying to work out whether
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Speaker 1: the pick can return on that spicecraft. Otherwise the astronauts
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Speaker 1: might have to stay there much longer, while plans it
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Speaker 1: might to send up another spicecraft to retrieve them. Na's
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Speaker 1: a guy with the briefing, Ivan Iden. He is the lightest.
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Speaker 13: They're considering many different things here, including, of course the
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Speaker 13: exposure to radiation that an extended stay would have Butcher sunny,
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Speaker 13: but also telling people reminding people that this is not
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Speaker 13: the first time that a stay has been extended. Of course,
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Speaker 13: we remember Frank Rubio, he holds this single American record
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Speaker 13: for the longest spaceflight. It's three hundred and seventy one days.
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Speaker 13: I want to take you to a full screen of
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Speaker 13: a quote that we saw and heard today because I
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Speaker 13: Remember this was not a video press conference, saying, quote,
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Speaker 13: if Butcher and Sonny do not come home on Starliner
23:47
Speaker 13: and they are kept aboard the station, they will have
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Speaker 13: about eight months on orbit. We have done multiple successful
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Speaker 13: long duration missions, even up to a year.
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Speaker 1: They will seem pretty relaxed about it. Dun daim. But
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Speaker 1: there they are. They're like Major Tom floating in their
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Speaker 1: tin can. Planet Earth is blue. There's nothing they can do.
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Speaker 1: They've got to have total faith in the ground crew.
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Speaker 1: NASA expects to detail its plans within a couple of weeks.
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Speaker 1: Let's bring in Mark Nicholson from step Mate's studios and
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Speaker 1: you're Hanna Sleek cartoonis for the Australian. Good to talk
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Speaker 1: to you again, guys, Mark, could you imagine it's stuck
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Speaker 1: up there for I don't know, eight months a year?
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Speaker 14: Mate? How terrifying is that? I was just watching it
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Speaker 14: now in the monitor. My palms are sweating. So I
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Speaker 14: couldn't imagine being lost out in space.
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Speaker 1: Poor Barry.
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Speaker 14: Oh he must be shattered. Oh I can't think of
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Speaker 14: anything worse, mate.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, hannahs, I sure hope they get along well.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean, there's only so there's only so many
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Speaker 3: games of scrabble you can play, or games of Uno. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: that's what I was thinking too, that you just hope
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Speaker 3: they get along.
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Speaker 2: I mean I read somewhere, I heard somewhere that there's.
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Speaker 3: There's only sort of one so they've got to kind
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Speaker 3: of take turns. One has to sleep, and you look
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Speaker 3: at these spaceships that it doesn't look like there's a
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Speaker 3: whole lot of sort of comfortable areas to stretch out.
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Speaker 2: So, ah, look it is. It's the absolute It's it's
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Speaker 2: everybody's worst nightmare.
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Speaker 3: Is it been trapped up there in space for eight
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Speaker 3: months or who knows how long?
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Speaker 1: Well, exactly, no one. You wouldn't want to talk about it,
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Speaker 1: but your mind would always always be wondering whether or
25:24
Speaker 1: not you're actually going to get back. It's a horrific
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Speaker 1: situation in many ways. We'll update everybody when NASA outlines
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Speaker 1: their plans. Whether they're going to risk taking their own
25:34
Speaker 1: their own car back or they're going to have to
25:35
Speaker 1: send another one up there, we will see. I've got
25:38
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on the ugly politics that are
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Speaker 1: unfolding in Canberra now, and predictably, whenever we talk about
25:43
Speaker 1: these issues, if anyone wants to talk strength on immigration
25:47
Speaker 1: or border security. You had us the claim is racism
25:51
Speaker 1: and it's a full bore attack now against Peter Dutton
25:55
Speaker 1: for daring to raise security checks for gars and refugees.
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Speaker 2: Well that's right, isn't it. It's the easy thing to.
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Speaker 3: Do rather than grapple with what is a complicated and
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Speaker 3: a very difficult issue. It's just sort of call Peter
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Speaker 3: Dutton names and and make yourself look virtuous and awfully sanctimonious.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, look it's ugly, ugly scenes. But what do
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Speaker 3: you expect from the likes of Sarah Hanson Young and
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Speaker 3: Zalie Stegel.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Labor hasn't gone as hard yet, although they
26:29
Speaker 1: egg it along and they're calling him divisive. What's your
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Speaker 1: sense Mark where most people are on here? Of course,
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Speaker 1: everyone's got a lot of sympathy for innocent civilians Palestinians
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Speaker 1: caught up in this. But my sense is most Australians
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Speaker 1: would be absolutely horrified that we wouldn't be doing proper
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Speaker 1: security checks on everyone.
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Speaker 14: Spot on, mate. And I think I'm actually I'm not
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Speaker 14: a big guy, a guy that flies the flag for
26:55
Speaker 14: Dutton very often, but actually I really admire this because
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Speaker 14: Captain's call esteems are you standing by himself on this
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Speaker 14: line in the sand?
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Speaker 8: And I do agree.
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Speaker 14: I think a majority of Australians would absolutely agree. It
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Speaker 14: doesn't make sense. It's I think seventy percent of the
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Speaker 14: area is Hamas sympathizers. Why would we have any obligation
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Speaker 14: to bring them into the country, and certainly without vetting them.
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Speaker 14: That's morally repugnant. That's repugnant. There's only and to be
27:23
Speaker 14: calling it racis is merely a deflection which means something's up,
27:28
Speaker 14: something's going on here. You'd think that the government, with
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Speaker 14: the detainees debarkle from recent from recent memory, would be
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Speaker 14: doing everything they could to try and stuff it up again.
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Speaker 14: And the disaster, this would be an absolute disaster if this,
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Speaker 14: if something bad happens here, I don't even want to
27:45
Speaker 14: mention it. Like I try and be pretty light here, Chris,
27:48
Speaker 14: but I don't think there's much lightheartedness to have here.
27:52
Speaker 14: It's just it's a really terrifying situation.
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Speaker 1: Now it is, and you've got to be strong in governmance.
27:57
Speaker 1: You've got to be strong, that's what we elect them for.
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Speaker 1: And the being very very weak at the moment they
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Speaker 1: would have just act on this, tighten it up and
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Speaker 1: not worry about the party politics behind it, if you like.
28:07
Speaker 1: But if we're looking for something light, if we're looking
28:11
Speaker 1: for a political discussion that's about something light, look no farther,
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Speaker 1: no further at all than the New South Wales Liberal Party.
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Speaker 1: I mean, is a party organization that exists to win elections,
28:24
Speaker 1: and they forgot to put all their nominations in all
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Speaker 1: the local government elections coming up. One hundred and forty
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Speaker 1: people who felt they're going to be running in this election.
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Speaker 1: Turns out they weren't nominated some of them, and forty
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Speaker 1: odd of them are already in council. So they're looking
28:39
Speaker 1: to either step up to become mayor or to recontest
28:42
Speaker 1: and hold on to the seat they've got and the
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Speaker 1: party stuffed them up, stuffed it up. From your Hannahs,
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Speaker 1: it's just unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: It is, it is, it's unbelievable.
28:51
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a mob who would like us
28:55
Speaker 3: to think that they're in charge and that they could
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Speaker 3: run things, and to stuff up on this scale is
29:01
Speaker 3: really unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: It's sort of I immediately thought of.
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Speaker 3: Expressions like you know, they couldn't couldn't run a chokeo
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Speaker 3: vine over an outdoor done.
29:09
Speaker 2: It's sort of that level of hopelessness.
29:12
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean you'd like to think they could
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Speaker 3: take care of roads and rubbish, but they probably can't
29:19
Speaker 3: even get that sort of thing organized.
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Speaker 1: It's just worry. It really is a worry mark and
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Speaker 1: the bloke who's responsible for this isn't going anywhere, even
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Speaker 1: though the opposition leader says he should quit. It's an
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Speaker 1: absolute omni shambles.
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Speaker 8: Mate.
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Speaker 14: I'm telling you the rule number one when you're dealing
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Speaker 14: with local council and local government is you've got to
29:43
Speaker 14: get the paperwork right. And if you've fallen over over
29:45
Speaker 14: this they love paperwork local government, you've got to get
29:48
Speaker 14: it right and it's not inconsequential. We talk about it
29:52
Speaker 14: every weekend here on this show about how crazy local
29:55
Speaker 14: government doing crazy things. Last week we were talking about
29:58
Speaker 14: shark nets getting taken down along the north shore there
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Speaker 14: in New South Wales, like it matters. This really does matter, sadly,
30:06
Speaker 14: what a massive stuff up. They should be absolutely rocked here.
30:10
Speaker 14: It is so silly it is.
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Speaker 1: I have a bit more on that story with one
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Speaker 1: of the councilors affected. A little later in the program,
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Speaker 1: another story that caught my fancy today johannass news that
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Speaker 1: our life expectancy in Australia, which is obviously already very good,
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Speaker 1: but we're actually doing better than the UK and the US,
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Speaker 1: where we're living longer than then. Now, I call bs
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Speaker 1: on this story because I've seen the President of the
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Speaker 1: United States and he's about one hundred and forty three
30:37
Speaker 1: and he's still going.
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Speaker 2: That's a good point. That's a good point.
30:42
Speaker 3: It's funny when that little grab you flashed up a
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Speaker 3: picture of Bondi and I think, you know, it's probably
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Speaker 3: all the kale drinkers and yoga devotes that are.
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Speaker 2: Driving up the life expectancy.
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Speaker 3: But I mean, you know, we could all live longer
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Speaker 3: if we never hopped in a car or we you know,
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Speaker 3: we lived on smoothies and went to bed early every night.
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Speaker 3: But it's not much of a life though, really, is it.
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Speaker 1: Well No, I love a good smoothie and I wouldn't
31:06
Speaker 1: mind an early night now and then. But you and
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Speaker 1: when you bring in diet, this little wonder mark that
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Speaker 1: we're doing better than the Americans.
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Speaker 14: Well, that's right, and as well as the UK. I'm
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Speaker 14: half Scottish, which means, you know, flowing through my blood
31:22
Speaker 14: is short bread and heart disease. But this is a
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Speaker 14: good news story for me. I was pumped up about
31:29
Speaker 14: this one. You don't see that very often. You read
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Speaker 14: the news, and it's often, you know, like Australia is
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Speaker 14: at the lowest of these educations down here, literacy and
31:35
Speaker 14: all that sort of stuff. I was pumped. I felt
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Speaker 14: patriotic on this one. We should be fired up. We
31:39
Speaker 14: should be looking at these other countries and turning our
31:41
Speaker 14: nose up and going we're going to live forever.
31:43
Speaker 1: Suck it. We're not. We're not doing much else. We're
31:48
Speaker 1: just out there exercising and swimming and drinking kale smoothies apparently.
31:53
Speaker 1: But there's also this I wanted to raise with you guys,
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Speaker 1: this new trend or phase or whatever social media meme
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Speaker 1: of raw dogging. Some people accepting the challenge of getting
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Speaker 1: onto a plane, not eating any of the food, not
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Speaker 1: watching any movies, not reading a book, just sitting there
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Speaker 1: looking at this at them in front of them. It
32:19
Speaker 1: seems like madness to me. Johanna says, it's about the
32:23
Speaker 1: only time I ever get to see a movie is
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Speaker 1: if I get on a plane, and I'm sure as
32:27
Speaker 1: well those two astronauts up there are not going to
32:30
Speaker 1: try and roar dog their way through the next year.
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Speaker 3: Look, I think at some point they will be. They'll
32:37
Speaker 3: just be so over one and up steering straight ahead.
32:41
Speaker 3: But look, I've got I've got three year old twins, mate,
32:43
Speaker 3: So you know that kind of peace and focus on
32:47
Speaker 3: a plane on a seventeen hour flight, I take.
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Speaker 2: That any day.
32:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, if any what I've.
32:52
Speaker 3: Got to deal with on a long hawk flight, So
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Speaker 3: you'd be happy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it could. They could make it.
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Speaker 3: They could make it a real challenge and make you
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Speaker 3: sit through seventeen hours of Q and a rerun. So
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Speaker 3: what's the drama or something for seventeen hours. I mean,
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Speaker 3: it's not even that hard at the moment. Let's let's
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Speaker 3: really spice it up.
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Speaker 1: Let's taking it too far to death. Let's hope the
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Speaker 1: twins can raw dog it through about thirty seconds at
33:21
Speaker 1: some stage. Thanks for joining us, guys, We'll catch up
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Speaker 1: next week. Aunt Nicholson and Johannes Leek got to get
33:27
Speaker 1: to a break on the other side of that. As
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Speaker 1: I mentioned, we're going to catch up on that other story.
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Speaker 1: Also Keith Pitt's gonna join me to talk about the
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Speaker 1: CFMAU hanging around polling birds, and also this counselor who's
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Speaker 1: going to be losing his seat thanks to this shambles
33:42
Speaker 1: from the New South Wales Liberal Party. Let me reading
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Speaker 1: your memory about another grand promise using your money made
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Speaker 1: by labor only about six months ago, or part of
33:55
Speaker 1: their so called future Made in Australia boondoggle. Anthony Alberinezi
33:59
Speaker 1: and Chris and you'll remember they went to the Liddell
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Speaker 1: col fired power station in New South Wales Hunter Valley
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Speaker 1: to explain how they were going to tip in a
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Speaker 1: billion dollars of taxpayers money and turn it into a
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Speaker 1: solar panel manufacturing hub. I told you at the time
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Speaker 1: that this smacked of wasted money and failure. Given there
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Speaker 1: are almost four million solar panels already installed in Australia,
34:23
Speaker 1: why wouldn't we have built more than one percent one
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Speaker 1: percent of them previously if it was economically viable to
34:30
Speaker 1: do it? Here are we just going to burn another
34:33
Speaker 1: billion dollars of taxpayers money for no gain. There's nothing
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Speaker 1: to worry about if you listen to Anthony Albanizi.
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Speaker 4: Positioning ourselves to be a renewable energy superpower for the world.
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Speaker 1: You gotta love it, the old renewable energy superpower line again. Well,
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Speaker 1: already one of the companies involved in this grand plan
34:55
Speaker 1: is looking wobbly, laying off workers and the like. Let
34:58
Speaker 1: me bring in Formal Resources Minister Keith Pitt. Good to
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Speaker 1: talk to you. Keith. I know Tanika raised this with
35:03
Speaker 1: you last week, but this is a bigger story I
35:05
Speaker 1: think than most people. Mention, does this mean that this
35:08
Speaker 1: whole sort of sun shot program that they're pumping a
35:12
Speaker 1: billion dollars in two is possibly going to fall over?
35:16
Speaker 1: I mean, why would they be laying off staff when
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Speaker 1: there's a billion dollars on offer? Christ the solar sunshote.
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Speaker 15: It's misfired already, and this is one of the great
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Speaker 15: announcements as you've just outlined a run around the Albanesi
35:29
Speaker 15: government's proposal. And they've been banging on about this legislation
35:33
Speaker 15: this week in the Parliament and it's already failed. And
35:36
Speaker 15: that's before it's passed, before the national interest test is
35:38
Speaker 15: put in, before any of the selection criteria or union involvement,
35:42
Speaker 15: and it still won't work. But I will say one
35:45
Speaker 15: thing though, you're going to need a lot of solar
35:47
Speaker 15: panels because every time there's a hailstorm you will lose
35:49
Speaker 15: a big stack of them. Every time there's a cyclone,
35:52
Speaker 15: you'll have the same thing. And if you get a
35:53
Speaker 15: bush fire through the middle, you've got the same problem.
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Speaker 15: And this is one of the big issues with this
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Speaker 15: type of generation.
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Speaker 1: Sort of government's picking winners. It always fails. There's a
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Speaker 1: long history of it. It always worries me and waste
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Speaker 1: a lot of taxpayers money. It's just such a worry.
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Speaker 1: You've been out today too. An issue I think is
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Speaker 1: run up. You rally in Queensland with the election only
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Speaker 1: a couple of months away, of course, and you reckon
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Speaker 1: the CFMEU union members shouldn't be doing their usual bit
36:20
Speaker 1: of hanging out at polling booths and handing out cards
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Speaker 1: and the like. Why not. They're free citizens, aren't they, Chris.
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Speaker 15: I'm talking about paid members of the MEU, the ones
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Speaker 15: that get paid to be there, and there's.
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Speaker 8: A lot of them.
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Speaker 15: You've got the Labour government now saying that they're going
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Speaker 15: to not take the six million dollar donations that come
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Speaker 15: across from the CFMU. But what's the difference with this
36:42
Speaker 15: Why should CFMAU paid labor be on a polling booth
36:45
Speaker 15: being able to work for the Labor Party handing out
36:48
Speaker 15: Why should intimidation, harassment, bully and all of the allegations
36:52
Speaker 15: we see on a construction site potentially be allowed when
36:55
Speaker 15: Australians are just trying to use their right in Australias democracy.
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Speaker 1: Well, I just don't see the difference. It's a financial contribution. Well,
37:03
Speaker 1: if the Labor Party is going to be tough enough
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Speaker 1: and actually really clamp down on the CFMEU and clean
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Speaker 1: it up properly, then they probably wouldn't want to be
37:11
Speaker 1: out there handing out cards for them.
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Speaker 15: Well, I can't see any way that that's going to happen.
37:19
Speaker 15: They knocked our proposal back in twenty nineteen.
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Speaker 8: We could have fixed all of this.
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Speaker 15: You've got allegations of biking involvement, criminal activity.
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Speaker 1: It's just disastrous.
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Speaker 15: And I've been on any number of construction site Chris,
37:31
Speaker 15: from small to middle to large, so the whole lot,
37:34
Speaker 15: and we know exactly what happens. I know how many
37:36
Speaker 15: businesses have been put out of business by activities from
37:39
Speaker 15: the CFMEU And why should they be so heavily involved
37:43
Speaker 15: in Australia's democracy and why should labor benefit from the
37:46
Speaker 15: money paid by union members to the CFMAU to have
37:50
Speaker 15: paid labor on polling boost intimidating the everyday Australia.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a fair point. If you're going to distance yourself,
37:57
Speaker 1: do it properly. Thanks for joining us, Keith, I appreciated it.
38:01
Speaker 1: I want to move on now and look at New
38:02
Speaker 1: South Wales Liberal Party and a story of almost unbelievable
38:06
Speaker 1: political incompetence. I managed to mention it there with Johannes
38:09
Speaker 1: and Mark and I want to stress though that this
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Speaker 1: is a national issue because in fact it's a major
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Speaker 1: problem for conservative parties across the country. At a state level,
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Speaker 1: the Liberal Party is a mess in many states. In
38:20
Speaker 1: Western Australia, the party has been reduced to a rabble
38:23
Speaker 1: with only three lower House members. In South Australia, the
38:26
Speaker 1: Liberals were tossed out after one term and their ineffectual
38:29
Speaker 1: opposition leader quit last week to be replaced by Vincent Tazia,
38:33
Speaker 1: who's a relative unknown. In Victoria, the Liberals, as you know,
38:37
Speaker 1: have struggled to make an impact, or provide strong leadership
38:39
Speaker 1: or even show a unified front. So Thank goodness there's
38:42
Speaker 1: a Liberal government surviving in Tasmania and the LMP are
38:46
Speaker 1: looking good for victory in Queensland's October election because in
38:50
Speaker 1: New South Wales the party has now become a clown show.
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Speaker 1: It was revealed yesterday that the stuff up at party
38:56
Speaker 1: headquarters means nominations, as I mentioned before, for local government
39:00
Speaker 1: elections were not filed. This means that forty or more
39:05
Speaker 1: sitting Liberal counselors will lose their jobs because they haven't
39:09
Speaker 1: been renominated, and there are another one hundred candidates as
39:11
Speaker 1: so who won't get a shot at being elected. The
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Speaker 1: opposition leader, Mark Speakman himself, almost unknown to the public,
39:18
Speaker 1: is calling for the State Director to quit over the FIASCA.
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Speaker 16: The Liberal Party has successfully attended to these basics until yesterday.
39:28
Speaker 16: I don't think there's any need for federal intervention, but
39:31
Speaker 16: there is a need, I think for the State Director
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Speaker 16: to fall his sword and to recognize as CEO stops
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Speaker 16: with him.
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Speaker 1: Now that State Director Richard Shields hasn't fallen on his
39:42
Speaker 1: sword yet, which seems incredible given dozens of Liberal politicians
39:46
Speaker 1: and candidates have been shafted. What an absolute shambles. One
39:51
Speaker 1: of the councilors now facing the chop is John Dorahee,
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Speaker 1: a City of Woollongong councilor. He joins me live from
39:58
Speaker 1: wollo Gong. Thanks for joining us. Now you're already a counselor,
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Speaker 1: but you were nominating to contest the mayoral position, weren't you.
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Speaker 1: That hasn't happened and now you're going to lose your
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Speaker 1: spot as a counselor as well.
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Speaker 8: Is that right?
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Speaker 17: Absolutely correct, Chris. It's shameful what's going on. But unfortunately
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Speaker 17: got the process got let down and yeah there's three
40:20
Speaker 17: of us who won't be contesting this selection.
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Speaker 1: That's just outrageous. How does this stuff up occur? Surely
40:27
Speaker 1: you've had to sign forms or something with the Liberal
40:30
Speaker 1: Party to approve your nomination. Is that the process? You've
40:33
Speaker 1: signed forms and they haven't forwarded them or are they
40:37
Speaker 1: supposed to just look after it all on your behalf?
40:41
Speaker 17: Correct? The process a Liberal headquarters here in New South
40:44
Speaker 17: Wales is that where as counselors sitting or candidates should
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Speaker 17: I say, fill in the appropriate forms nominations and we
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Speaker 17: forward it to Liberal headquarters who then corealate it all
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Speaker 17: and or it onto the Electoral Commission. For designation. But
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Speaker 17: that hasn't happened.
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Speaker 1: And presumably if you knew there was a delay or
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Speaker 1: staff up or whatever, you could have just gone straight
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Speaker 1: to the electoral Commission yourself and nominated. Right, that's the.
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Speaker 17: Crazy part, Chris, I don't understand it. You know, in
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Speaker 17: any business, if you've got a floor of look, I
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Speaker 17: don't have enough personnel, I haven't enough time. Generally you
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Speaker 17: outsourced it if you like, or resource it back to
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Speaker 17: those who are in charge of their own destiny. But
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Speaker 17: in this instance, it hasn't happened. It should have happened
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Speaker 17: last probably Friday the latest, so that then we local
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Speaker 17: candidates from different LGAs would have had the opportunity to
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Speaker 17: presented ourselves to the Electoral Commission and had no crimes.
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Speaker 1: You must be just furious, along with so many others.
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Speaker 1: Have they contacted you to apologize or explain how or
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Speaker 1: why this happened?
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Speaker 17: By smirkow eyes for that, But no, I have not
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Speaker 17: had a personal call. Unfortunately. I guess there's probably too
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Speaker 17: many of us liberal counselors and or candidates that putting
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Speaker 17: the hand up that we're hopeful of being able to
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Speaker 17: stand in this election. Unfortunately, know that there's been no
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Speaker 17: connection and there's been no apologies. It's shameful, that's for sure.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, now what should happen. There's a lot of focus
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Speaker 1: on Richard Shields. He should fall on his sword and
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Speaker 1: they should sort out a head office. Fair enough, that
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Speaker 1: seems to be unarguable. But is there any chance that
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Speaker 1: the Electoral Commission might open these nominations, accept them now
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Speaker 1: there's such an unusual event, and maybe find the Liberal Party,
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Speaker 1: but still take all the nominations.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, Christy, you've hit on a really good pointment. I
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Speaker 17: mean for my interpretation. You know, I've been a sales
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Speaker 17: manager sale director for an international company seven or nine
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Speaker 17: years and compliance is really a strong element of that role. Now,
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Speaker 17: within this it would have been a really good idea
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Speaker 17: to have this compliance factor in play. It hasn't. I
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Speaker 17: don't know what they'll do going forward. The Electoral Commission
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Speaker 17: probably had the opportunity, although they are a police or
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Speaker 17: regulatory overseas not so much, an opportunity to come back.
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Speaker 10: And provide options.
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Speaker 17: And so therefore I would recommend that in the future
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Speaker 17: there is an opportunity for whether there's a glitch, and
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Speaker 17: particularly where it's a major party such as a Liberal
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Speaker 17: party and or the Labor or the groends in the
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Speaker 17: future that an option be there that if there is
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Speaker 17: a glitch such as this, that there is the opportunity
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Speaker 17: for the Electoral Commission to say, well, okay, let's hold
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Speaker 17: these different LGAs apart. We'll hold their election in two
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Speaker 17: weeks four weeks time, and then everything should be there.
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Speaker 1: Should have been a reminder or something, but it's just
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Speaker 1: a point stuff up. I feel sorry for you, John,
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Speaker 1: thanks for explaining that to us, so I appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: That's John Dorohey City, you've gone counselor, but not for
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Speaker 1: much longer thanks to his own political party, the New
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Speaker 1: South Wales Liberal Party. Now I'm gonna have a quick break.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna catch up with Alexander Downer on the other side.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about the crackdown on free speech,
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Speaker 1: shocking it is in the UK, and also what he
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Speaker 1: thinks of Peter Dutt's and Peter Dutton stand when it
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Speaker 1: comes to Gaza and border security. Let's catch up with
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Speaker 1: the former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer, joining us live from
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Speaker 1: Adelaide back in oh It's good to see you Alexander.
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Speaker 1: First up, though, let's look at the UK where people
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Speaker 1: are actually being given prison sentences for saying things that
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Speaker 1: are critical of Muslim groups or of Islam and posting
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Speaker 1: them on social media. This is extraordinary and it's inflaming
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Speaker 1: these claims of a two tiered policing system. What are
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Speaker 1: your thoughts?
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Speaker 18: Yes, I think it's dangerous. This is the problem with
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Speaker 18: legislation where you make it illegal to a mouth so
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Speaker 18: called hate speech. It's one thing, of course to have
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Speaker 18: laws against incitement to violence, and they have been laws
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Speaker 18: for a long time in countries like the UK and here,
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Speaker 18: but hate speech is going a whole step further and
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Speaker 18: in starting to infringe now on people's civil liberties. And
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Speaker 18: you are seeing some very marginal cases if media or
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Speaker 18: reporting is accurate of people being jailed for i mean,
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Speaker 18: admittedly pretty offensive comments, but comments you would.
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Speaker 2: Have thought fell into.
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Speaker 18: The space of freedom of speech.
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Speaker 17: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very difficult issue, and I think prison
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Speaker 1: sentences is a hell of a step when it comes
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Speaker 1: to that sort of stuff. As you say, repugnant things
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Speaker 1: being said, but prison sentences, and it plays into this
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Speaker 1: date debate was seeing in Australia. Now, now you've been
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Speaker 1: through all of this. You've been through the Howard government
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Speaker 1: Border protection era and the way that sees a vitriol
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Speaker 1: directed at you and John Howard and Philip Ruddick and
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Speaker 1: others from your political opponents. And in this country we've
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Speaker 1: seen those horrible charts on the steps of the Opera House.
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Speaker 1: We've seen the celebration of the slaughter of innocent Israelis,
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Speaker 1: including women and children on the streets of Australia and
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Speaker 1: chanting it from the river to the sea incessantly on
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Speaker 1: the streets, and no pushback from authorities yet. Now Anthony
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Speaker 1: Alberinezi says it's divisive and nasty for Peter Dutton to
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Speaker 1: demand security checks on people from Gaza. Give us your
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Speaker 1: thoughts on what's unfolding.
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Speaker 18: Well, I think Peter Dutton is quite right. I think
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Speaker 18: it clearly impossible to do proper security checks on people
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Speaker 18: in Gaza Australia. The Australian government doesn't have any officials
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Speaker 18: in Gaza. Is just not possible to do the required checks.
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Speaker 18: And if you were going to get the Gazaan authorities
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Speaker 18: to do the checks, well you'd be asking Hamas to
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Speaker 18: do the checks, because that is the established government in
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Speaker 18: gaza An organization which for Australian purposes is a terrorist organization.
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Speaker 18: So I wouldn't have thought giving visas to people from
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Speaker 18: Gaza made any sense at all. It just doesn't pass
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Speaker 18: the tesk of common sense. But I see Peter Dutton
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Speaker 18: is accused of being They always pull this one out
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Speaker 18: a racist and abused and denigrated for suggesting this. I
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Speaker 18: don't think it does the political left any good to
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Speaker 18: resort to that kind of intimidatory language. They do it
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Speaker 18: the whole time. They think they can bully people on
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Speaker 18: the center right by abusing them, calling them basis, all
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Speaker 18: kind of invective, and it does intimidate some people on
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Speaker 18: the center right. Some of them won't speak up because
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Speaker 18: they're frightened to. But I don't think that's the case
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Speaker 18: with Peter Dutton. I think he'll hold his ground and
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Speaker 18: I think mainstream of Australia can see. I mean Gaza's
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Speaker 18: run by a terrorist organization. It's very popular in Gaza,
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Speaker 18: where in the miss of a war there. This is
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Speaker 18: not the time to start taking holiday makers from Gaza
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Speaker 18: and giving them visitors visas to come to Australia.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Alexandra. I appreciate it Alexander down
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Speaker 1: of there live from Adelaide. Don't forget to tune in
48:43
Speaker 1: here at five o'clock tomorrow to see Eron Moland just
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Speaker 1: been named one of the one hundred most influential people
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Speaker 1: in Sydney. How about that Eron Molland five o'clock Up next,
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Speaker 1: Peter Quidlin