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OUTRAGE: Little tot boy found in tote bag in hotel room. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: A five year old little boy's body found in a
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Speaker 1: tote bag in a hotel room. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation and series N eleven. How does that happen?
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Speaker 1: A little boy's body found in a tote bag in
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Speaker 1: a hotel room. Take a listen to our friends at
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Speaker 1: kf d M Fox four. We're here at the Best
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Speaker 1: Western in Jasper, and at around six o'clock this evening,
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Speaker 1: we're told that a crime stopper's tip was called into
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Speaker 1: the Sheriff's office and at that point that Hall was
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Speaker 1: transferred to the police department. Chief Gerald Hall says he
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Speaker 1: sent one of his officers here to the room because,
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Speaker 1: according to him, the call said something to the effect
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Speaker 1: that a missing boy was inside and a topebag. What
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Speaker 1: we understand, one of his officers went inside and immediately
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Speaker 1: backed out. We don't know if because he saw something
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Speaker 1: disturbing or something suspicious, but immediately the chief says that
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Speaker 1: all his officers would not go inside. They wanted to
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Speaker 1: protect this scene and not contaminate the scene. And basically
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Speaker 1: it has been sealed off from even Jasper officers. An
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Speaker 1: officer is standing guard. But other than that, this is
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Speaker 1: the most activity we've seen in the last hour, and
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Speaker 1: that is someone taking photos outside the motel room. And
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Speaker 1: from what we'd understand, the Texas Rangers just arrived, and
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Speaker 1: that's what we're doing right now, is waiting for Houston
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Speaker 1: authorities to come and actually begin this investigation. I guarantee
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Speaker 1: that was not a photag or a journalist taking his pictures.
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Speaker 1: That was a crime scene technician and trying to get
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Speaker 1: a visual police get a tip, an anonymous tip that
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Speaker 1: a little boy is in a tote bag in a
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Speaker 1: hotel room. They bust in and immediately stop and back
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Speaker 1: up and start backing up. Why what did they see?
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Speaker 1: What was in that room that made them all back up?
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Speaker 1: Holding the journalists and the reporters at bay. I can
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Speaker 1: only imagine again, for those of you just joining us,
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Speaker 1: the body of a little boy found in a tote
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Speaker 1: bag in a hotel room. And you can bet your
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Speaker 1: bottom dollar we're on it, and I want answers, don't you?
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Speaker 1: Don't you For those of you that have children, or
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Speaker 1: maybe you're an aunt or an uncle, who in the
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Speaker 1: hey would do this to a little boy? With me
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Speaker 1: an all star panel to try and sift through the
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Speaker 1: clues that have been left behind. Jason Campo, Chief Prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: Cameron County, Texas. Five years in the DA's Office of
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Speaker 1: Family Violence Union. Doctor Allan Blockkey, PhD. Clinical Psychologists out
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Speaker 1: of Bringing It, Birmingham. Blockkey specializes in criminal cases and
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Speaker 1: child forensic cases. Doctor Jeffrey M. Jensen, Professor Forensic Pathology,
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Speaker 1: Director of Autopsy and Forensic Services, University Michigan Medical School.
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Speaker 1: Former medical examiner in Milwaukee County, Wisconsin. Tom Ruskin, private
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Speaker 1: investigator joining us today. President of CMP Protective and an
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Speaker 1: Investigative Group. Former New York City Police detective investigator and
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Speaker 1: you can find him at cmpdashgroup dot com. Andy com
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Speaker 1: director of Victim Services Advocacy Crime Stoppers in Houston. And
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Speaker 1: Serena Fazon first out to her four time Emmy Award
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Speaker 1: winning TV anchor and reporter. You can find a writer
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Speaker 1: podcast on the Record with Serena Fazon. Serena, this is
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Speaker 1: just so bizarre to me, A very narrow question to you.
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Speaker 1: To start it off, let me understand and anonymous tip
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Speaker 1: lad police to this hotel. Room's crazy, isn't it? Nancy?
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Speaker 1: An anonymous tip but Art, but was it really anonymous? Understanding,
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Speaker 1: don't police have call or I D I mean, is
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Speaker 1: it really anonymous? Who would know that there is a
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Speaker 1: boy in a tote bag in a locked hotel room?
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Speaker 1: Big question? Right? And we see things on TV all
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Speaker 1: the time. Let me go to Utahn Ruskin probably an
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Speaker 1: investigator where there's a phone call and somewhere somebody is
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Speaker 1: tracking that call and they know where it comes from.
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Speaker 1: That's just on TV. That's not real life, right, No,
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Speaker 1: that's real life. I mean most to the police lines
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Speaker 1: are tapped and taped and also have qual ID enhanced
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Speaker 1: the quiller ID, So some of the numbers that are
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Speaker 1: calling a going to an eight hundred number which shows
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Speaker 1: the number, so would lead police potentially to that person
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Speaker 1: who is calling for the tip and then they would
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Speaker 1: respond to it. And I gotta tell you so often
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Speaker 1: I would handle felony cases with an anonymous tipster. It's
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Speaker 1: not always anonymous, it's someone very close to the case
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Speaker 1: that wants to remain anonymous. In this case, I can
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Speaker 1: tell you why because there is a dead child involved
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Speaker 1: in a toadbag. But how did the whole thing get started?
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Steve Campion, ABC thirteen, Houston.
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Speaker 1: This little boy's grandmother is pleading for help, pleading for
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Speaker 1: information to find Sam. You really could hear the worry
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Speaker 1: in her voice when she spoke with us less than
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Speaker 1: twelve hours after police wrapped up a search warrant that
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Speaker 1: they'd executed at the apartment complex in southeast Houston, as
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Speaker 1: they have continued their search looking for this missing boy.
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Speaker 1: She described the boy as sweet, kind, smart. She says
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Speaker 1: Sam loves dinosaurs and toy story and that there's been
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Speaker 1: conflicting information about this case, that it's been complicated from
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Speaker 1: the get go. She says, someone knows something, and she
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Speaker 1: shared this message with us as a mom, and it's
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Speaker 1: a grandma. If you know anything, or you think your
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Speaker 1: child is capable of this, you need to sit them
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Speaker 1: down and pray with them and make them do the
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Speaker 1: right thing. I know it's hard to have to think
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Speaker 1: that you love somebody and somebody could do something, but
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Speaker 1: we need to know you are hearing the grandma reaching out,
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Speaker 1: begging or clues, and I find that very very interesting.
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Speaker 1: Right off the top. To Jason Campo, she prosecutor joining
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Speaker 1: us out of Cameron County, Texas. Jason, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us, because right there you're hearing the grandma.
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Speaker 1: She doesn't know what's happened to baby Samuel, but she's saying,
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Speaker 1: if you think you're a child, I guess adult child
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Speaker 1: did this. Right there, that's telling me she doesn't think
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Speaker 1: this little boy just wandered away and maybe I accidentally
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Speaker 1: got into a pond. She thinks at the get go,
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Speaker 1: somebody took the child. That's very clear to me. What
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Speaker 1: do you think that's right? She's looking for somebody to report,
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Speaker 1: somebody to tell somebody something that they know. She knows
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Speaker 1: that somebody did something to this child, and they just
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Speaker 1: need answers. You know, I'm thinking about a search want
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Speaker 1: that was filed, and I find it very very interesting.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people, Serena Fazan, think that there is
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Speaker 1: something to farry us about a search warrant being filed
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Speaker 1: where the child went missing. It's not that's where you
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Speaker 1: start every investigation. And cops never know when they go
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Speaker 1: to the home, are they going to give us permission
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Speaker 1: to go in or do we need a warrant? So
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Speaker 1: they better have a warrant when they go. Of course,
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Speaker 1: I always assume that parents are going to give permission,
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Speaker 1: but they went with a warrant anyway to search the home,
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Speaker 1: and they found nothing in the home, and the search
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Speaker 1: for little Samuel goes on. Is that correct? Well, absolutely empty.
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Speaker 1: And you know in order to get a search warrant,
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Speaker 1: you know that the judge in the case, you have
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Speaker 1: to find some probable cause to be able to go in. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the fact that that's the last place that the boy
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Speaker 1: was seen and now he's missing. You're the grandmother pleading
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Speaker 1: and pleading for answers. I'm trying to figure out in
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Speaker 1: this case. Straight out to doctor Allen Blocky, PhD, Clinical
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Speaker 1: Psychologists joining us out of Birmingham, Doctor Blockkey. When a
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Speaker 1: child goes missing last seen at the home, there are
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Speaker 1: a few alternatives. But I noticed when my children were
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Speaker 1: just two years old, doctor Blockkey. They weren't even two
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Speaker 1: years old. They knew how to They were like monkeys.
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Speaker 1: They could unlock the lock on the handle of the
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Speaker 1: door that led into the laundry room that led to outside,
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Speaker 1: and there was a stairway going up beside that door.
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Speaker 1: Right beside it. They figured out how to go up
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Speaker 1: two stairs and reach over and turn the dead bolt.
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Speaker 1: I had to end up putting another bolt way up
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Speaker 1: high where I had to go up the stairs too
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Speaker 1: and reach all the way up to turn it, so
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Speaker 1: they wouldn't just wander out if I turned my back.
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Speaker 1: Children are very curious and very inquisitive, and they knew
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Speaker 1: how to get out the door. That is absolutely the truth.
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Speaker 1: Of course, there are other times when they can't get
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Speaker 1: out the door and we're left wondering what exactly happened.
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Speaker 1: This is such a confusing, almost unfathomable situation. It really
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Speaker 1: isn't go ahead, obviously said, there's so many unanswered questions.
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Speaker 1: There's so many different possible players in this situation, and
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Speaker 1: so many unexplainable relationships in this Oh my goodness, of course,
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Speaker 1: because you've got the parents separated and there's a custody
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Speaker 1: battle going on, and that muddies the water about who
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Speaker 1: took Little Samuel. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. What we
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Speaker 1: know is that the child is found. The child is
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Speaker 1: found after an extensive search in a hotel room, in
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Speaker 1: a toeback, obviously dead. But let me ask you this.
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Speaker 1: Serenaf is on joining us four time Emmy Award winning
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Speaker 1: reporter and anchor. We're going to tell me about the area, Well,
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Speaker 1: tell me about Jasper, Texas well, Jasser Texas. In fact,
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Speaker 1: why don't I know it's about two hours from Houston,
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Speaker 1: But why don't I even look up details about Jasper.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a very big community. It's a
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Speaker 1: small It's a small town where people are looking out
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Speaker 1: for each other. It's not the hold dog Harry Jonas.
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Speaker 1: If it's on, Andy Kahn wants in. Andy Kahn, director
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Speaker 1: victim Services at Crime Stoffers of Houston, tell me about Jasper. Jasper,
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Speaker 1: Texas is rural Texas. Period. It's a small town, little crime.
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Speaker 1: Everybody knows everybody there. I mean, you have you still
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Speaker 1: have the old fashioned main to main street there where
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Speaker 1: everybody pretty much congregates. So it's quite as quintessential American
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Speaker 1: small town. Everybody knows everybody. You know, Andy Kahn, You've
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Speaker 1: handled so many cases. Andy and I've been colleagues for many,
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Speaker 1: many years. You've handled big city cases. You're right there
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Speaker 1: in Houston. You've handled rural cases, and you advocate four victims.
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Speaker 1: And I'm very, very curious to Jason Campo as Andy
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Speaker 1: is accurately telling us about how this is a very
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Speaker 1: rule setting everybody knows everybody else. But the reality is
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Speaker 1: Jason Campo. We all also know that you think you
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Speaker 1: know somebody, you don't know them. You don't know what
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Speaker 1: they're doing behind closed doors. You don't know what neighbor
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Speaker 1: may have been watching this child. Let's see about Delphi
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Speaker 1: for a moment. The two girls taken off the bridge
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Speaker 1: in Delphi. I think sex assaulted, will find out, but
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Speaker 1: I know murdered. And now this many months later, a
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Speaker 1: guy turns up grabbing the neighbor girl I think she
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Speaker 1: was nine, and taking her down into a torture chamber,
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Speaker 1: raping her. And if the parents had reported her missing immediately,
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Speaker 1: should be dead. Right. Nobody knew the next door neighbor
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Speaker 1: was a child predator. Nobody knew that. So even in
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Speaker 1: a small town, you don't know who people really are.
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Speaker 1: We see this all the time in family violence cases
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Speaker 1: when I'm doing the bordier on a trial and I asked,
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Speaker 1: you know who has experience with family violence, and people
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Speaker 1: always speak up and say, you know, we didn't know
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Speaker 1: that anything was going on until months after it had
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Speaker 1: actually started. Because nobody really knows what's going on behind
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Speaker 1: the closed doors of somebody else's house. They know the
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Speaker 1: image that they present in public or even in private
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Speaker 1: with family members, but they don't know what's going on
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Speaker 1: once the doors of the house are closed. To doctor
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey M. Jensen, Professor Forensic Pathology, Director of Autopsy, Forensic Services,
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Speaker 1: University Michigan Medical School, form a Medical Examiner, Milwaukee County,
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Speaker 1: I could keep on reading his resume forever, Doctor Jensen,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. How much I'm glad
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Speaker 1: to be here? Yes, sir? How much does it hurt
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Speaker 1: a case? Hurt the medical examiner and trying to find
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Speaker 1: a cod cause of death? I mean, we know manner
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Speaker 1: of death. People can get confused and autops you get
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Speaker 1: cause of death. For instance, I just shot Jackie in
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Speaker 1: Kelly to Boot. That would be cod. Manner of death
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Speaker 1: would be either accidental natural causes, murder, homicidal violence. So,
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Speaker 1: doctor Jensen, we know that this boy has been missing
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Speaker 1: for a period of time. We now know at the
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Speaker 1: very least he's been I guess folded up into a
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Speaker 1: tote bag in a hotel room. How badly if the
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Speaker 1: room is at room temp. How badly decomposed would his
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Speaker 1: body be if he had been there, let's just say
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Speaker 1: a month. Well, we'll depend upon the storage of the
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Speaker 1: of the body. If the body was held in a
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Speaker 1: cool area, for example, or some other or heated area,
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Speaker 1: that a temperature would would drastically change the opinion as
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Speaker 1: to the time of death. Okay, let's go with the
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Speaker 1: room temp. Room temperature, a body would start to decay
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Speaker 1: within a matter of forty eight two seventy two hours
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Speaker 1: and be in an advanced state of decomposition within four
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Speaker 1: to five days. Okay, speak to you know what you
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Speaker 1: just reminded me of doctor Jeffrey M. Jensen, And I
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Speaker 1: mean this in a loving and caring way, your mommy.
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Speaker 1: Of all the times the medical examiner would see my
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Speaker 1: beat up Honda pulling it up and probably try to
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Speaker 1: hide because I would have to go through every line
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Speaker 1: the autopsy report, which can be many, many pages, to
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Speaker 1: get it in regular people talk, so I can understand it.
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Speaker 1: So when you say if a body had been in
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Speaker 1: a tote bag for twenty nine days and with the
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Speaker 1: topebag zipped, I imagine it would have been put in
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Speaker 1: a closet or under a bed in a hotel room
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Speaker 1: at am beyond air temp. What do you mean by
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Speaker 1: advanced state of decomposition? Break it down for me. Would
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Speaker 1: the body be skeletonized. Probably not, would it be gelatinous goo.
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Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. I'm an m D. You're I'm
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Speaker 1: a JD. You're the MD. What do you mean by
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Speaker 1: advanced state dcomp Advanced decomposition typically has evidence of putrification,
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Speaker 1: meaning bacterial destruction of the body tissues. There is a
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Speaker 1: purge of fluid coming from the body. There's also blackened
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Speaker 1: discoloration throughout the body. If the body is in a
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Speaker 1: heated area, that's when you start to get mummification, and
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Speaker 1: in those cases the body would be hard and almost odorless.
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Speaker 1: Going back to the initial scene, I think the well
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Speaker 1: trained police officer that entered that scene probably detected an
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Speaker 1: odor of decomposition in in the hotel room, maybe a
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Speaker 1: disarray of the surroundings that indicated some kind of an assault.
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Speaker 1: But knowing that he probably did need you know, legal
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Speaker 1: approval to go into that scene is one of the
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Speaker 1: reasons why I probably backed out. The combination of an odor,
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Speaker 1: suspicion of criminal activity, and then the need to maintain
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Speaker 1: a chain of custody and legal permission entered to the scene.
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Speaker 1: You know, Andy Khan with me, Director Victim Services is
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Speaker 1: at Crime Starffers Houston. I think you have a little
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Speaker 1: less problem with this than I do, because sometimes it's
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Speaker 1: very hard for me to reconcile five year old little
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Speaker 1: boy with what doctor Jeffrey M. Jensen said. I remember
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Speaker 1: the district attorney he elected DA called me down to
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Speaker 1: his office one time, Andy and said, do you think
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Speaker 1: you're a little too emastionally involved in your cases? And
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Speaker 1: I thought a moment and said yes. He said, Okay,
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Speaker 1: that was it, that was the whole thing. And I
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Speaker 1: continued to prosecute for the next ten years. But how
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Speaker 1: do you hear what doctor Jeffrey Jensen just said. And
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Speaker 1: you look at a picture five year old Samuel Olsen,
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Speaker 1: and I mean, think about it, Andy, when I say
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Speaker 1: he's in a tote bag, somebody had to like fold
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Speaker 1: a little boy up, did and put him in a
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Speaker 1: tote bag. I can tell you, Nancy, all of us
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Speaker 1: that crime stoppers were absolutely heartbroken, and you could actually
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Speaker 1: see tears visibly coming out of our staff's eyes, especially
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Speaker 1: when you look at the little boy's face. At Samuel
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Speaker 1: five years old, doesn't know what's going to be happening
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Speaker 1: to him. I mean, we've seen a lot of depravity
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Speaker 1: in our career, But to do this to a five
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Speaker 1: year old boy and just stuffing in, you know, like
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Speaker 1: he's a bag of chips, and then crush him, and
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Speaker 1: then and then just pretend that nothing's happened. This is
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Speaker 1: about as cold blooded, diabolical to parade as I've seen
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Speaker 1: in my thirty year career as a victim advocate. You know, Andy,
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Speaker 1: I just people think that prosecutors and cops are like
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Speaker 1: hearts of stone and you don't feel anything when you
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Speaker 1: see this, or read this, or prosecute this. The reality
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Speaker 1: is very often I had to stop myself from going
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Speaker 1: there in my mind actually thinking through what the killer
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Speaker 1: did because it's so awful. Climb stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: We now have the body. It's in a horrible state
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Speaker 1: of decomposition, and I think doctor Jensen was absolutely correct.
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Speaker 1: It was the smell. They opened that door, and it
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Speaker 1: was like getting hit with a brick. A brick, And
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Speaker 1: there's something about it. Once you smell a decomposing body,
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Speaker 1: you know what it is. It's it's instinctive. Like when
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Speaker 1: you jump in the water, you know you have to
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Speaker 1: get to the top to breathe. When you smell a
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Speaker 1: dead human body, you know, what it is. Now we
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Speaker 1: have to figure out how this child ended up in
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Speaker 1: that toebag straight out to you. Tom Ruskin, private investigator,
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Speaker 1: President CMP Protective and Investigative Group, and former NYPD investigator.
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Speaker 1: The first thing you would do to process that room
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Speaker 1: is what we know that rightly, the crime scene text
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Speaker 1: where they're taking photos immediately of the outside of the door.
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Speaker 1: What else do they need to do? Well, you noticeably
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Speaker 1: secure the crime scene. As you said, most cops who
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Speaker 1: are seasoned officers walking down the hall will know that stench,
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Speaker 1: that smell that you never get rid of in your mind.
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Speaker 1: At that point in time, it's few officers respond posability
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Speaker 1: to secure that quor echine, to make sure that detectives
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Speaker 1: and crime chine detectives come and start to forensically process
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Speaker 1: that room, moving towards where they know that body will exist,
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Speaker 1: and then to document everything for your purposes as a prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: to basically catalog everything, take the body out of wherever
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Speaker 1: it's contained, and then process the body to determine if
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Speaker 1: there's any noticeable cause of death that will later be
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Speaker 1: determined by the medical examiner. Mate, this is doctor Jensen,
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Speaker 1: and justlike I just like to point out that you know,
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Speaker 1: it's important to get the medical examiner or forensic pathologists
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Speaker 1: involved early in the case because the autopsy essentially starts
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Speaker 1: at the scene, and it's important for the forensic pathologists
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Speaker 1: to get a first hand view of the remains as
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Speaker 1: soon as possible in order to start the process of
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Speaker 1: determining the actual time of death or establishing the time
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Speaker 1: of death. You know. One other point is that I
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Speaker 1: think disposal of the body is the last thing that
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Speaker 1: many perpetrators think about. It actually causes a lot of
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Speaker 1: creative methods of body disposal and this is just one
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Speaker 1: of those cases. Whoever that is just jump in place.
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Speaker 1: It's three Nason as you and I both now, especially
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Speaker 1: you know with your background at this point, it is
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Speaker 1: so crucial to take every one of these steps very
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Speaker 1: slowly and carefully because we don't know. There's so many
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Speaker 1: twist and turns in this case. Oh man, there really are,
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Speaker 1: and the processing of that scene is everything. Yeah, just
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at ABC thirteen Houston.
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Speaker 1: Little Samuel Olson turns six years old today, but his
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Speaker 1: family has no idea where he is. Sam when missing
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Speaker 1: on Thursday, when he was being looked after by a
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Speaker 1: family member. His grandmother, Tanya Olsen, has full custody of Sam,
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Speaker 1: but she says Sam's mother showed up with someone else,
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Speaker 1: claiming to be a police officer and took him, though
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Speaker 1: both parents say that he is not with either one
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Speaker 1: of them. We're not even sure who took him, how happened.
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Speaker 1: We just know that the mother showed up with a
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Speaker 1: police officer, and then we just found out the police
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Speaker 1: officer wasn't real. So tough. Sam was last seen on
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Speaker 1: mccoboy Drive in southwest Houston. Okay, take a listen to
24:41
Speaker 1: more what we were learning from ABC thirteen Houston. We're
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Speaker 1: talking about a five year old little boy, Samuel. Hours ago,
24:48
Speaker 1: we found out it was a fake police officer. Sam
24:50
Speaker 1: is missing. They're saying they do not have him. So
24:55
Speaker 1: we would like to reach up to the public to
24:58
Speaker 1: get Sam's picture out there. Anybody that know, anybody, anybody
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Speaker 1: who knows that they've seen Sam somewhere, somebody picked him
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Speaker 1: up to hide him for the mother's family, Please reach out.
25:09
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what we're wanting. We just need sample.
25:13
Speaker 1: And he's litching two bottomed cheese and his front chooth
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Speaker 1: is loose and he was wearing a gray T shirt
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Speaker 1: with a Kool Aid man on it, some jean shorts,
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Speaker 1: some buzz light ear, tenny shoes with two mismatched superhero socks.
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Speaker 1: Sam actually has two ears that are pierced. He has
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Speaker 1: on his right side of his head. If you pick
25:36
Speaker 1: up his hair, it's like a golden brown. He has
25:39
Speaker 1: a white birth spot that he's had since he was
25:41
Speaker 1: a baby that's like this thig and it's white, but
25:44
Speaker 1: you kind of have to lift his little curls up
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Speaker 1: to see it. So if anybody has seen him, peace,
25:50
Speaker 1: please please call HPD. You know, I'm hearing that immedily
25:54
Speaker 1: thought of my little boy at this age five when
25:56
Speaker 1: he had his teeth wobbledee and snaggle too, and that
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Speaker 1: tender tender time in them growing up. And this child
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Speaker 1: is missing. And now I'm hearing a story that a
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Speaker 1: fake police officer showed up with the bio mom. But
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Speaker 1: Serena Fazon, isn't it true that the biomm was elsewhere?
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Speaker 1: She was nowhere near where Samuel was, right, she wasn't
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Speaker 1: even near where sam was. So this is can you
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Speaker 1: imagine how that mom is feeling after hearing the story.
26:31
Speaker 1: So we know it's not so who was it? And
26:35
Speaker 1: what's this business about a fake cop? Guys? Enter, my friend,
26:40
Speaker 1: my longtime colleague from Texas Equisearch, Tim Miller. I want
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Speaker 1: you to hear what he says to Jason Miles kho
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Speaker 1: you eleven Houston. Miller said it was difficult from the beginning,
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Speaker 1: pinning down. The last time family members saw Samuel. The
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Speaker 1: last persons him was was with Teresa Balboa, including the
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Speaker 1: boy's father and paternal grandmother, with whom we spoke yesterday. Okay,
27:08
Speaker 1: right there, I thought he was with his bio grandma,
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Speaker 1: But no, he's with Teresa Balboa. And it's my understanding
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Speaker 1: Teresa Balboa is daddy's girlfriend. Is that correct? Join me
27:23
Speaker 1: right now? Is Tim Miller from Texas Equiserchier. Let me
27:28
Speaker 1: tell you something about Miller. Tim Miller's daughter was murdered
27:34
Speaker 1: and he has devoted his life since that time to
27:39
Speaker 1: helping to find missing people. Just like you might get
27:45
Speaker 1: up and I might go to the DA's office, or
27:47
Speaker 1: Jackie might come to the studio. He gets up every
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Speaker 1: morning and tries to find missing people, wading through water,
27:55
Speaker 1: riding horseback, riding in ATV, bringing out the cadaver dogs,
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Speaker 1: dogs every day, Tim Miller, thank you for being with us.
28:05
Speaker 1: Who thank you is Teresa bow Boa. Well, we got
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Speaker 1: called on this son's gone the friday after little Sam
28:15
Speaker 1: apparently disappeared. We knew in the beginning there was no
28:19
Speaker 1: truth whatsoever. Some police officer came up and took that child.
28:24
Speaker 1: Now that Sunday night. How did you know that at
28:27
Speaker 1: the very beginning, Tim Miller, Well, I mean her stories
28:30
Speaker 1: were fabricated. We knew where Sarah was the biological mother,
28:35
Speaker 1: so we knew no mother was there with no police.
28:37
Speaker 1: Let me understand something, Tim Miller, equal search, the grandmother
28:41
Speaker 1: did not have Sam when he goes missing. Correct, it
28:44
Speaker 1: was the girlfriend. It was the girlfriend, and you know
28:47
Speaker 1: it was crazy about that. I got dogs into my
28:50
Speaker 1: house the night before we started the search, and I said,
28:53
Speaker 1: what do you know about this guy Ben? And he says, well, nothing.
28:58
Speaker 1: I said, when the last time he talked to him? Never?
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Speaker 1: I said, are you telling me you're allowing your fiance
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Speaker 1: and your five year old child to be staying with
29:07
Speaker 1: an ex boyfriend? And he said, well, Teresa said, he's
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Speaker 1: a good guy. Helps her out, So you know I was, well,
29:16
Speaker 1: wait a minute. So the six year old was with
29:18
Speaker 1: the dad's girlfriend and her ex. With the ex, supposedly
29:24
Speaker 1: Sam got sick. They thought he had COVID. They didn't
29:27
Speaker 1: want him be around the grandfather. So Teresa said, I'll
29:30
Speaker 1: go to my ex boyfriend's house. He's a nice guy,
29:33
Speaker 1: and so anyhow, I always left him till one twenty
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Speaker 1: in the morning at my house with the father. The
29:43
Speaker 1: next morning we started the search and I did an
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Speaker 1: interview and Teresa was down there and I told Teresa,
29:51
Speaker 1: I said, Teresa, you need to do it. You need
29:54
Speaker 1: to tell the whole world what happened, and people will
29:58
Speaker 1: be looked at. Maybe we'll get Sam back safe, which
30:02
Speaker 1: I knew that wasn't the case. She didn't want to
30:05
Speaker 1: do it, didn't want to do it. So Teresa Balboa
30:08
Speaker 1: did not want to speak publicly. No, that's finally I
30:11
Speaker 1: literally I forced her into it. And then when she
30:14
Speaker 1: got done doing it, I went over to her and
30:17
Speaker 1: I said, Teresa, every word you just said to the world,
30:22
Speaker 1: there's nothing got to lie climb stories with Nancy Grace
30:36
Speaker 1: straight out to Andy Kahn, Andy Kahan, how many days
30:40
Speaker 1: passed before this child was reported missing? You're looking at
30:44
Speaker 1: twenty nine days where nobody did anything about a five
30:50
Speaker 1: year old boy that was last seen April thirtieth, and
30:54
Speaker 1: then May twenty seventh, you decide, oh, wait, nobody's seen him.
31:00
Speaker 1: Where is he? I mean, oh my god. We were
31:02
Speaker 1: just dumbfounded that nobody would say, Okay, he hadn't been
31:06
Speaker 1: in school, he's not living here, he's not living here.
31:10
Speaker 1: How could a father wait that long not to know
31:14
Speaker 1: where his son is? How could how could everybody, the mother, everybody?
31:20
Speaker 1: It was so convoluted what happened. And then when I
31:23
Speaker 1: spoke with Tim, you know, Tim had called me and
31:27
Speaker 1: just kind of queued me in on what was going on.
31:30
Speaker 1: And like Tim said, Tim, from the beginning that Teresa
31:34
Speaker 1: Balboa was lying out of her face. Jim, how did
31:37
Speaker 1: you know immediately that she was lying? I mean, it
31:40
Speaker 1: was obvious. We knew where Sarah was at at that time.
31:43
Speaker 1: We knew that she was lying. There would have any
31:47
Speaker 1: police officer there was, or anything, or CPS, there was nothing.
31:51
Speaker 1: So again I tricked her into doing that interview. And
31:55
Speaker 1: when she got done doing it, I said to her,
31:58
Speaker 1: I said, every word you just told the entire world
32:01
Speaker 1: is a damn alive. What did she say? Well, I
32:03
Speaker 1: didn't let her say anything. I told her. I said,
32:05
Speaker 1: two years ago today I was in Arkansas bringing back
32:09
Speaker 1: the body. A little Blia Davis saying, if you think
32:12
Speaker 1: I want to be here today, you're crazy as hell.
32:15
Speaker 1: You know exactly what happened, and you need to talk
32:18
Speaker 1: to God right now. You and him have a lot
32:21
Speaker 1: to talk about. And I said, we're getting this old day,
32:23
Speaker 1: did you understand? And I'm the ellen er And she
32:26
Speaker 1: just looked at me with them cold eyes and said, yes, sir.
32:30
Speaker 1: When you say looked at you with cold eyes, what
32:32
Speaker 1: do you mean by that? I mean there was no emotion.
32:35
Speaker 1: There's no tears, there was no nothing. Okay, right there,
32:38
Speaker 1: Hold on just a moment because I want to go
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Speaker 1: to Jason Campo, chief prosecutor, joining us out of the
32:43
Speaker 1: District Attorney's office there in Cameron County. Have you ever
32:46
Speaker 1: looked across at a defendant and they looked like like
32:51
Speaker 1: the eyes of like a frog or a snake or
32:53
Speaker 1: something cold blood? There's just nothing there. There's no absolutely
32:57
Speaker 1: and there you can tell because there's also a physical emotion,
33:01
Speaker 1: like from the body. It's not just in the eyes.
33:04
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you something, Jason, there's I will never
33:06
Speaker 1: forget the first time I looked at a guy like that,
33:09
Speaker 1: it gave me the chills. There was no feeling, no emotion, nothing,
33:16
Speaker 1: And that's what Tim Miller from Equasarch is saying. Right now,
33:19
Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut sixteen. This is Shelley
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Speaker 1: Childers ABC thirteen. Court records being made public today have
33:29
Speaker 1: filled in the timeline of five year old Samuel Olson's
33:33
Speaker 1: disappearance and death, his father telling investigators the little boy
33:37
Speaker 1: had been staying with his girlfriend, Teresa Balboa, at this
33:41
Speaker 1: Webster area apartment since April thirtieth, the last day he
33:45
Speaker 1: was seen in school. On May tenth, Balboa's roommate says
33:49
Speaker 1: she called him saying the boy was dead in their apartment.
33:52
Speaker 1: The roommate left work and found the boy laying in
33:55
Speaker 1: a bed covered in bruises. They put him in a
33:57
Speaker 1: bathtub for two days. Today, this apartment in near Webster
34:01
Speaker 1: now hasn't notice to vacate. On me thirteenth, duct tape
34:05
Speaker 1: and a storage toat were purchased by the roommate. He
34:08
Speaker 1: told investigators he helped Balboa wrap the boy's body in
34:11
Speaker 1: a plastic sheet, placed the child in the toat, then
34:15
Speaker 1: stored it at this storage facility in Webster. On me
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Speaker 1: twenty seventh, Samuel was finally reported missing, Baboa making up
34:22
Speaker 1: a story that he was kidnapped from her mother's home
34:25
Speaker 1: in southwest Houston. And there you have it too, doctor
34:30
Speaker 1: Alan Blockkey, clinical psychologist joining us out of Birmingham, who
34:34
Speaker 1: specializes in criminal forensic cases. Doctor Blockkey, why who would
34:41
Speaker 1: put a dead child covered in bruises in the bathtub
34:46
Speaker 1: for two days? I have no clue. It makes no sense.
34:49
Speaker 1: I mean to buy them time to put them somewhere
34:52
Speaker 1: before they put him in a tote bag. Oh, it
34:56
Speaker 1: makes no sense to me. None of this case makes
34:59
Speaker 1: any sense to a rational mind. Right back to you,
35:03
Speaker 1: Tim Miller, we are now learning through police investigation what
35:10
Speaker 1: happened to sam Olson, a five year old little boy
35:15
Speaker 1: with a wobbledie tooth. What else do you know, Tim Miller? Well,
35:19
Speaker 1: you know that father just kept sticking up for Teresa's
35:23
Speaker 1: sticking up for Teresa. And then about three thirty that afternoon,
35:28
Speaker 1: they were down at the end of the apartment complex
35:30
Speaker 1: outside the sense and I've seen that the ex boyfriend
35:33
Speaker 1: was outside, so I went down there and again I'm
35:36
Speaker 1: talking loud, and said I say to Dalton, I said,
35:39
Speaker 1: Dalton again, I have a problem. How in the world
35:42
Speaker 1: can you leave your child with somebody in this apartment?
35:45
Speaker 1: Conflict you've never seen in your life yet, are you there?
35:50
Speaker 1: You're cutting out on me. Guys, You're just going to
35:52
Speaker 1: have to bear with me, because Tim Miller is already
35:54
Speaker 1: out at a scene looking for someone, a missing person
35:57
Speaker 1: right now. He's going in and out on But I'll
36:00
Speaker 1: follow up with Tom Ruskin, private investigator with CNP Portative,
36:04
Speaker 1: an investigative group. I mean, the stories just aren't fitting together.
36:08
Speaker 1: And I don't need anybody to give me a cod
36:11
Speaker 1: now that I know the little boy was covered in bruises.
36:14
Speaker 1: Tom Ruskin, you know what's going to happen. You got
36:17
Speaker 1: the ex boyfriend and the girlfriend Balboa. They're like two
36:21
Speaker 1: wit cats in a barrel. They're gonna start blaming blaming
36:24
Speaker 1: each other. And that's your role as a detective. That
36:28
Speaker 1: happens every single day, as you know, as a formal
36:31
Speaker 1: prosecutor of the cops. Will bring them in and start
36:34
Speaker 1: to talk to them separately and start unraveling this mariative
36:41
Speaker 1: stories that has developed over this period time. It's sort
36:44
Speaker 1: of amazing that no one reported this poor little boy
36:48
Speaker 1: missing for weeks, But the question is first when did
36:53
Speaker 1: he go missing? When do you last see him? And
36:57
Speaker 1: then starting to unravel the story, and even as we
37:00
Speaker 1: all know, they start blaming each other, and then you
37:04
Speaker 1: start narrowing the story down. Serena Fazzon following up on
37:08
Speaker 1: what Tom Ruskin is saying. Has the ex boyfriend been charged?
37:13
Speaker 1: Where does the case stand right now? And where is
37:15
Speaker 1: little Samuel's body? I know right now. I mean, there's
37:19
Speaker 1: only one person that's charged, and that's and that's hurt
37:24
Speaker 1: And she's not even charged with any She's just charged
37:26
Speaker 1: with tampering with eminence. At this point, there's there's so
37:30
Speaker 1: many questions. It's still out there. That's going to a
37:33
Speaker 1: grand jury. She's going to be charged with murder. And
37:37
Speaker 1: that ex boyfriend Do I have Tim? Did he come back?
37:40
Speaker 1: Can Tim? Are you there? Ye know? Yeah? Tim? So
37:44
Speaker 1: the word is that the boyfriend helped her dispose of
37:47
Speaker 1: the body. All right, let me go back to where
37:50
Speaker 1: enough when I lost you. But anyhow, we're down there
37:54
Speaker 1: close to where the boyfriend lives. And I'm telling Dalton again, Dalton,
37:58
Speaker 1: I can't understand you allowing your child to stay in
38:01
Speaker 1: this apartment complex. Right over here was somebody you don't
38:04
Speaker 1: know and ex boyfriend Ben he's outside, and I says,
38:08
Speaker 1: and again, this person right here that you're sticking up
38:12
Speaker 1: for is one hundred percent responsible. And then Dalton starts
38:17
Speaker 1: literally shaking and crying and hits the ground. And then
38:21
Speaker 1: he said, well, you don't understand about Sarah. Last year
38:24
Speaker 1: she almost ran over me. I said, you're right, she
38:27
Speaker 1: almost ran over you. But guess what, your son is
38:30
Speaker 1: not almost missing, and you keep sticking up for this
38:33
Speaker 1: girl that had everything to do with it. And then
38:37
Speaker 1: what happened then is Teresis said that she wanted to
38:41
Speaker 1: go in Ben's apartment and change clothes. Well, she did
38:45
Speaker 1: go in Ben's apartment. She came out with a change
38:47
Speaker 1: of clothes, but I know exactly what the hell happened.
38:50
Speaker 1: She went in there and said, Ben Eddie is getting
38:52
Speaker 1: hot right now. We gotta make our move. Ben. I
38:56
Speaker 1: told them, listen, you got all these fires go past fires.
39:00
Speaker 1: So they're on this street. They're pasting out flyers. Teresa says,
39:04
Speaker 1: look at the apartments across the street. I see people outside.
39:07
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give them flyers. She went over there, they waited, waited, waited,
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Speaker 1: she did not come back. Dalton comes to the command center.
39:15
Speaker 1: He's crying his eyes out. Teresa's gone. She's gone. She's gone.
39:20
Speaker 1: And I went to Hamaside detectives and I said, listen,
39:24
Speaker 1: maybe the best thing happened. Teresa just bailed. And they said, yep,
39:27
Speaker 1: she bailed. That's the best thing that happened. Now maybe
39:31
Speaker 1: we can make progress. So I think when I pushed
39:34
Speaker 1: her so hard at that end, she went in and
39:36
Speaker 1: told them we got to get the hell out of here.
39:40
Speaker 1: Jim Miller, every day you laid on the line, I
39:43
Speaker 1: appreciate you being with us, joining us, or where you
39:47
Speaker 1: are right now on the job. I guarantee you they're
39:51
Speaker 1: going to be more charges in this case. They're probably
39:53
Speaker 1: waiting on an official cause of death, which is hard
39:57
Speaker 1: to do with a decomposing body. And that ex boyfriend,
40:01
Speaker 1: I guarantee you he is not walking away from this.
40:05
Speaker 1: We wait as just as unfalls. For Right now, I'm
40:09
Speaker 1: going to find my children and I'm hugging them and
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Speaker 1: making sure they're safe from people like Teresa Balboa. Goodbye friend,