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Speaker 1: Welcome to Table Talk here at the Philadelphia Sports Table
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Speaker 1: We got a great discussion coming your way this week
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Speaker 1: on Table Talk as we talk about what is going
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Speaker 1: to be happening during this upcoming Philadelphia Phillies offseason. Lots
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Speaker 1: of changes. Hopefully lots of changes will be made. Yes,
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Speaker 1: this team went to the postseason five straight years in
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Speaker 1: a row. Wasn't good enough at the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: and we're going to dive into what changes are going
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Speaker 1: to need to be made. Joining us from baseball prospectus,
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Speaker 1: you can also hear him on the Hit and Season
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Speaker 1: podcast over at WHYY. We've got our good friend, Justin Clu.
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Speaker 1: Always love having you on, buddy. Thanks so much for
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Speaker 1: taking the time, man.
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Speaker 2: Thank you that's you shredding on guitar in the intro.
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Speaker 1: Right yeah a little a little.
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Speaker 3: Bit a little bit yeah that's awesome it's the weakest
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Speaker 3: intro ever it really is let's quick put something together
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Speaker 3: as we're doing video content now.
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Speaker 2: It gets the people going there you go it's great
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Speaker 2: for energy i'm i'm hyped up yeah let's talk about
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Speaker 2: the phillies oh let's.
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Speaker 1: Yeah let's.
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Speaker 4: Oh, the hype is here.
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Speaker 1: We've got it for you folks. As I said, and
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Speaker 1: mentioned changes, obviously Justin are going to need to be
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Speaker 1: coming to this team. Let's first start off with the management.
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Speaker 1: We'll even go to the front office first here. Of course,
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Speaker 1: everybody talking about Dave Dombrowski.
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Speaker 4: Should he stay? Should he go?
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Speaker 1: I mean, that really is, I think, one of the
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Speaker 1: ultimate questions going into this offseason and what this Phillies
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Speaker 1: ownership may do or not do with Dave Dombrowski.
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Speaker 4: What are your thoughts here? Should he stay? Should he go?
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Speaker 4: Why or why not?
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Speaker 2: Well, it's a, it's a fun way to phrase it
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Speaker 2: because I mean, the answer I truly think at the
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Speaker 2: end of the day is that he's not going anywhere
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Speaker 2: and he won't be until he chooses to. He's Dave Dombrowski.
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Speaker 2: And even sitting here with the thoughts I have in
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Speaker 2: my head, there's still like a little bit of hesitancy
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Speaker 2: to be like, you get out of here. When it's
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Speaker 2: Dave Dombrowski, who is like, you know, executive royalty, that
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Speaker 2: felt disgusting. That phrase coming out of my mouth, regardless, uh,
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Speaker 2: All that aside, I mean, we're all aware of what
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Speaker 2: his reputation has and the pedigree he has and everything,
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Speaker 2: but that's the thing. All that puts together the picture
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Speaker 2: of what he is as an executive and, more importantly,
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Speaker 2: as a roster builder. And that is, you know, Dave
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Speaker 2: Dombrowski comes to town and his special skill is convincing
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Speaker 2: your owner, hey, let's spend this money and bring these
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Speaker 2: really good baseball players in.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That's the job. He makes it look really easy. It's incredible.
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Speaker 2: And he's going to go to the Hall of Fame
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Speaker 2: because he's so good. He's like the Grieva Wormtongue of executives,
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Speaker 2: but in a good way. So that aspect has been great.
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Speaker 2: Everybody will complain about Trey Turner, myself included, but signing
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Speaker 2: him was a very exciting thing that basically everyone supported.
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Speaker 2: Signing some of these other trades he's made that have
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Speaker 2: been deft trades deftly made trades like with the Jesus Lizardo.
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Speaker 2: I still give him credit for Brandon Marsh because as
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Speaker 2: flawed as Brandon Marsh is, he did play a key
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Speaker 2: role at different moments in this team's run of postseason appearances.
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Speaker 2: And John Duran was a great acquisition. And he also,
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Speaker 2: in addition to the free agent stuff and spending money,
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Speaker 2: he's also made some really good trades that have helped
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Speaker 2: this team a lot. And the Lizardo thing especially, I
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Speaker 2: really always give him credit for not only because it
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Speaker 2: was a great trade, but also because he looked at
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Speaker 2: the market at that time, what the Phillies actually needed
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Speaker 2: wasn't there. And he was like, all right, fine. Let's
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Speaker 2: just add to a strength. And it really, it was
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Speaker 2: very helpful. You know, it's, it was a good move
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Speaker 2: to make. So credit where credit's due. And certainly Dave
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Speaker 2: Dombrowski has a lot of credit due to them. That
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Speaker 2: being said, this are the Phillies still in the position
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Speaker 2: where Dave Dombrowski come into town. is what you want.
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Speaker 2: They're not, I would imagine, doing a full-on rebuild. They're
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Speaker 2: kind of incapable of that based on the contracts they have.
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Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a bit. But is he
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Speaker 2: the guy that fixes your team and restocks your farm
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Speaker 2: system and makes the smaller, more medium moves that can
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Speaker 2: get your team to win? I mean, sometimes, but I
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Speaker 2: wouldn't call all of those things his specialty.
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Speaker 4: He's, what, 70 years old?
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Speaker 2: He doesn't want to leave Philadelphia without a ring, but
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Speaker 2: we're kind of like reaching the end of this current cycle,
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Speaker 2: and they don't have one. So he's going to be
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Speaker 2: more determined than ever to Dave Dombrowski's way to a title,
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Speaker 2: but how's that going to happen? I just don't think–
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Speaker 2: he's not the guy that comes to town when your
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Speaker 2: team is in the state the Phillies are currently in.
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Speaker 2: He's the guy that comes when he did and adds
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Speaker 2: to your talented– medium-talented roster with high-priced free agents who
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Speaker 2: can come in and turn it into a blockbuster organization.
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Speaker 2: But I don't know if they're the kind of team
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Speaker 2: that Dave Dombrowski... Think of it this way. If you're
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Speaker 2: Dave Dombrowski and you're working on the Nashville project or
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Speaker 2: whatever he was working on when the Phillies came calling,
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Speaker 2: and it's now instead of a couple years ago, is
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Speaker 2: this an appealing team for, for Dave Dombrowski to come to?
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Speaker 2: Cause it's not even like there's a Bryce Harper, Manny
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Speaker 2: Machado blockbuster free agent season coming either. So like, I
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Speaker 2: don't know if this team would be appealing to him
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Speaker 2: in its current state anyway, if he wasn't already here.
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Speaker 2: So I think the answer to the question is like,
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Speaker 2: should he be here as far as a fit goes?
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Speaker 2: Probably not. But like, should he be here as far
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Speaker 2: as this is kind of his team and he wants
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Speaker 2: to clean it up? I mean, maybe that's closer to
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Speaker 2: yes than the other way.
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Speaker 1: In terms of cleaning it up, and actually before we
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Speaker 1: get to in terms of cleaning it up and starting
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Speaker 1: that particular discussion, what you were saying, we're going to
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Speaker 1: hit on right at the end of our discussion, and
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Speaker 1: I want to let listeners know, we're going to be
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Speaker 1: talking about that in terms of what Dombrowski may need
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Speaker 1: to do if and when he is still trying to
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Speaker 1: put some puzzle pieces together for this team during this offseason.
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Speaker 1: But in terms of possible changes coming down the road,
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Speaker 1: let's talk about the next manager of this team because
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Speaker 1: our– Thoughts are that there is going to be a
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Speaker 1: new manager for the Philadelphia Phillies at this point. Don Mattingly,
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Speaker 1: we saw some good. We saw a lot of bad,
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Speaker 1: especially in terms of bullpen decision-making during this 2026 year.
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Speaker 4: Your thoughts, Justin, on who we may see or who
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Speaker 4: we should.
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Speaker 1: See as potentially the new manager of this Philadelphia Phillies
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Speaker 1: team in 2027.
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Speaker 2: We could run down a list of current managerial candidates.
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Speaker 2: We could. David Ross wants to manage again. Brad Ausmus
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Speaker 2: is out there. Ramon Santiago. There's names you can throw
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Speaker 2: out there.
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Speaker 4: Is it really going to be Alex Cora?
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Speaker 2: Nationals guy, Dave Martinez.
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Speaker 4: Dave Martinez.
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Speaker 2: But that's the thing. You've heard so much definitively from, yes,
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Speaker 2: the Bob Nightingales of the world, but still, that Alex
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Speaker 2: Cora not only is the Phillies' top choice— is their choice.
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Speaker 2: And they already offered him the job before they even
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Speaker 2: fired Rob Thompson. They offered him the job. So it's
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Speaker 2: kind of tough to imagine anybody other than him coming
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Speaker 2: here with the obvious connection being that Dombrowski and Cora
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Speaker 2: won a World Series together in Boston. So until that
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Speaker 2: evaporates or you see even one crack in that being
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Speaker 2: the case, I'm kind of just not even considering anyone
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Speaker 2: else is going to be the manager. Now, does that
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Speaker 2: mean I'm excited about Alex Cora?
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Speaker 4: I'm not, I'm not, dude. I'm not.
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Speaker 2: I need, I feel like I looked into it and
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Speaker 2: then forgot everything, but like, I'm more interested in what
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Speaker 2: is Alex core's pedigree as a manager.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: And then you start thinking, well, what manager would be
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Speaker 2: good for this team? And somebody who holds players accountable,
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Speaker 2: somebody who's not afraid to like offend them by moving
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Speaker 2: them up and down in the batting order, you know,
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Speaker 2: not somebody that's getting in their face and screaming at them,
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Speaker 2: Dallas green style or, um, Who's the guy? The White
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Speaker 2: Sox guy. It doesn't matter. The point is, a guy
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Speaker 2: who's not aggressive like that, that's not going to work.
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Speaker 2: And these managers who are like players' managers, who kind
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Speaker 2: of just let the– I told Liz Rocher the other day,
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Speaker 2: it's kind of like the seniors are running the school,
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Speaker 2: it feels like, in that clubhouse. And the principal is
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Speaker 2: just kind of like– it's like saved by the bell.
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Speaker 2: in the Phillies where the principal is just like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: cool guys. And whatever happens, cause you're good. You got it. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Were you talking about Will Venable?
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Speaker 2: No, not the current one. The guy would always curse
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Speaker 2: and be horrible. He said he admired Castro at one
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Speaker 2: point and got in a lot of trouble. I cannot
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Speaker 2: remember his name. That doesn't matter. The point is, I
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Speaker 2: think it's a, it's a, it's a narrow bullseye. to
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Speaker 2: be the right manager for the Phillies right now. Don
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Speaker 2: Mattingly is not that manager. You got to be a manager.
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Speaker 2: Who's like good at managing baseball, which, you know, kind
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Speaker 2: of gets forgotten when you're focusing more on the superstar
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Speaker 2: management aspect of being a manager.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But you know, all that, all that being said, I'm just,
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Speaker 2: don't you kind of think, you know, with Alex Cora
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Speaker 2: being the guy we sort of assume is coming to town,
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Speaker 2: Isn't there like even a little bit of part of
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Speaker 2: you that's like, we've seen the Phillies these past few
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Speaker 2: playoff runs be a bunch of different teams. They're this
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Speaker 2: offensive smash the bell team. They're this pitching first four aces.
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Speaker 2: It's almost exactly what the 2008 Golden Arrow went.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: Went from offense to pitching. You a little curious what
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Speaker 2: maybe a little cheating scheme would do for these guys?
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Speaker 2: Maybe that's what puts them over the top? Maybe that's
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Speaker 2: a missing piece?
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm advocating for it or that I'd
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Speaker 2: even be happy about it. But if we're inevitably getting
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Speaker 2: Alex Cora... you know what he's known for at this point.
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Speaker 2: And it's not like he was just there. He's in
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Speaker 2: the book listed as the architect of the Astros cheating scandal.
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Speaker 2: So if that's what he's good at, I mean, obviously
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Speaker 2: I'm kidding.
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Speaker 4: Bring him on board. Bring him on board.
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Speaker 2: I can't say that I would want that or that
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Speaker 2: I'd want, or that I'm cheering for the, or defending
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Speaker 2: the Phillies for like if a cheating scandal got, but
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Speaker 2: it's more just like, what what's the thing that's going
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Speaker 2: to put them over the top? Can it be something
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Speaker 2: a new manager brings? And if that manager is Alex Cora,
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Speaker 2: I mean, cheating might be the level of thing, the
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Speaker 2: level of nuance that we need for this team.
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Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
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Speaker 2: Not cheating specifically, but you know, that little extra spice
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Speaker 2: that puts a team that's supposed to be better where
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Speaker 2: it's supposed to be.
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Speaker 1: There are certain managers though, that have certain identities and certain, and, and, and,
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Speaker 1: identify a certain way, not just as a team, but
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Speaker 1: they are a brand in and of themselves. And sometimes
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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that's a good thing in terms
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Speaker 1: of baseball. And especially with this Phillies team that has
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Speaker 1: a lot of branding-based issues going on with players and
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Speaker 1: the personnel that's on the field or on the mound,
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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think it's great to bring a manager
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Speaker 1: in that has an identity as a certain brand. I
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Speaker 1: actually don't believe that's actually a good idea.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like Joe Madden where he's going off the– yeah,
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Speaker 2: I think that's totally fair. I mean, what would you–
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Speaker 2: what possible good could come from a manager coming in
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Speaker 2: who's like, I've got all my own stuff and we're
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Speaker 2: going to follow my plan. I mean, Gabe Kapler was
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Speaker 2: a system first manager and that got ugly. And Rob
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Speaker 2: Thompson was a player first manager and they stopped looking
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Speaker 2: motivated for long stretches of time. So, again, tried it
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Speaker 2: a couple of different ways here. And part of it's
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Speaker 2: just– You get a bite at the apple and you
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Speaker 2: just miss because that's baseball. But also, I think the
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Speaker 2: Phillies are kind of pretty singular at this point for
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Speaker 2: the amount of consecutive postseason appearances without a World Series title.
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Speaker 2: It was them and maybe two, three other teams, with
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Speaker 2: Dave Dabrowski's Tigers being one of them at one point,
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Speaker 2: who were like four postseason appearances without a title. And
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Speaker 2: now it's five. So they might be all alone at
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Speaker 2: this point.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: So it's a unique spot. Perhaps a manager can make
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Speaker 2: that difference. I have my doubts anymore about managers, man.
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Speaker 2: I have my doubts.
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Speaker 1: That's kind of where I thought this conversation may actually
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Speaker 1: go in terms of the manager position. But folks, we
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Speaker 1: are going to take a break here. And when we
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Speaker 1: get back, we got a lot more Phillies talk coming
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Speaker 1: to you. What's going to be happening with this upcoming
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Speaker 1: offseason with our buddy, Justin Clue.
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Speaker 4: Stick with us. We'll be right back.
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Speaker 1: All right, we're back with our buddy Justin Clue from
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Speaker 4: It looks great.
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Speaker 2: I was going to say, imagine it the other way.
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Speaker 1: you would like for people to buy it? Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I always send people to the publisher on the Brookline
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 1: So let's dive into this Philadelphia Phillies team more with
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Speaker 1: this offseason may look like. Let's get into some players
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Speaker 1: with long term contracts that we have some questions about.
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Speaker 1: Bryce Harper, Trey Turner, Aaron Nola, Justin, all three of
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Speaker 1: these guys have a significant amount of time left on
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Speaker 1: their deals. Significant amount of years, I should say. And
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Speaker 1: let's kind of get into some of these guys right here,
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Speaker 1: what the front office may or may not do with them.
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Speaker 1: at some point in the future. I mean, let's start
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Speaker 1: off with Bryce Harper here. Um, honestly, I do love
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Speaker 1: the guy. Um, I think certain expectations within the fan base, um,
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Speaker 1: are not being met. I, I, I, I just, I've
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Speaker 1: always loved the guy to be honest. And him coming here,
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Speaker 1: I can't believe how long he's actually been on this
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Speaker 1: team for. And the fact that he's still got several
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Speaker 1: more years on this team, uh, He's just a staple
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Speaker 1: here within Philly's nation. Where do you think he goes?
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Speaker 1: Does he play out this contract? Is there any possible
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Speaker 1: movement maybe with him? What are your thoughts here?
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Speaker 2: Well, the thing to remember, which I keep forgetting, is
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Speaker 2: that all these guys with the long-term contracts and even
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Speaker 2: JT Real Muto, they're only getting traded if they agree
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Speaker 2: to be traded.
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Speaker 4: Very true.
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Speaker 2: And Bryce Harper is kind of at a point They're
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Speaker 2: all sort of at this point where every slump makes
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Speaker 2: you go like, oh, is it a slump or is
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Speaker 2: it a forever decline at this point? And everybody should
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Speaker 2: have known that when you sign people to this long
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Speaker 2: a deal, one day it's going to happen. One day
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Speaker 2: they're just not going to be the player that they
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Speaker 2: were before. You're playing like you want to do it
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Speaker 2: forever until one day you're just trying to play it
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Speaker 2: one more time. And nobody's at that point yet. That
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Speaker 2: was very sad.
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Speaker 1: Sorry.
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Speaker 2: That was very bleak. I apologize.
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Speaker 4: Bleak yet true.
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Speaker 2: But the thing is, yeah, at this point, we went
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Speaker 2: through it last year with the elite commentary. And I
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Speaker 2: think all we learned from that was that Harper's very sensitive.
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Speaker 2: Harper's very sensitive to commentary about him, about, about, you know,
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Speaker 2: things saying like what he wants, like acting like it's
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Speaker 2: in his head, that like rumor about him getting traded.
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Speaker 2: He took great offense to that. He's like, I came
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Speaker 2: here to get away from that stuff in Washington. And
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Speaker 2: you're like, Oh my God, did you think you were
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Speaker 2: getting away from trade? You're still a baseball player. Like that's,
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Speaker 2: I know your deal is your deal, but like, you know, every,
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Speaker 2: every it's, it's like baseball language when somebody is mad
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Speaker 2: at a player to just be like, trade him, even
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Speaker 2: though you're not thinking about any of the logistics of
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Speaker 2: what that actually means. So, um, I guess with Harper,
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Speaker 2: I can't imagine he, at this point in time, I
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Speaker 2: can't imagine he doesn't play out this contract. I think
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Speaker 2: he wants to. I think what it would take is
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Speaker 2: what my friend John Stonis said the other night. The
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Speaker 2: Phillies coming to him and saying, hey, look, we're doing
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Speaker 2: a full rebuild. It's all coming out. And you can
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Speaker 2: be here if you want, but you know what kind
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Speaker 2: of team you're going to be playing for at that point.
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Speaker 2: And at that point, he would want out to go
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Speaker 2: try and, if he doesn't have a ring at that point,
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Speaker 2: go win a ring somewhere else. And that's what makes–
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Speaker 2: that's like the weight of all this is that he
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Speaker 2: doesn't even have one to point at. And the Phillies
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Speaker 2: don't even have one with him to point at and
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Speaker 2: be like, you know, we're staking this era to at
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Speaker 2: least this title that we got. They have one National
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Speaker 2: League pennant and that's it. If you count division championships
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Speaker 2: as a thing, okay. But like that's– I think generally
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Speaker 2: he's going to stay here. I think– but I think
17:51
Speaker 2: you've just seen like little pieces of– Displeasure pop up.
17:56
Speaker 2: He doesn't have that extension that he wanted. The players
17:58
Speaker 2: didn't give it to him. He's seen other players kind
18:00
Speaker 2: of get extensions and he didn't get his. Dave Dombrowski stuff.
18:05
Speaker 2: I don't think those two really got along. Even months later,
18:08
Speaker 2: I think it was a Matt Gelb story where they
18:09
Speaker 2: were like, yeah, relationship's still pretty icy, I think was
18:13
Speaker 2: the term.
18:13
Speaker 1: Yeah.
18:14
Speaker 2: You know, I think he's in a weird place. Everybody
18:17
Speaker 2: else is in a weird place. And it's because we
18:19
Speaker 2: sort of branched off and entered a timeline that nobody
18:21
Speaker 2: thought they'd be in. Absolutely. Everybody. The Phillies and their
18:24
Speaker 2: fans thought they would have his title.
18:26
Speaker 1: Right. Trey Turner's in a weird place, too. Just like
18:28
Speaker 1: what you were saying, very, very similar to Bryce Harper
18:31
Speaker 1: in terms of, all right, well, what do you do here?
18:34
Speaker 4: What do you do here?
18:34
Speaker 3: Right.
18:36
Speaker 1: It's almost similar to Bryce Harper in terms of Trey Turner.
18:39
Speaker 1: Only difference with him in terms of position is does
18:42
Speaker 1: he stay at.
18:42
Speaker 4: The shortstop position? That's a theme, of course. I mean,
18:45
Speaker 4: does he possibly move to the outfield?
18:47
Speaker 1: I cannot imagine him playing shortstop again this coming season,
18:51
Speaker 1: costing this team games. Your shortstop costing your team games
18:56
Speaker 1: a number of times throughout the season. I think it's
18:59
Speaker 1: kind of the same theme with Bryce Harper here. Are
19:01
Speaker 1: you thinking the same thing?
19:03
Speaker 2: It is the same theme. I think Turner's is a
19:06
Speaker 2: way worse position for the reasons you just said, that
19:08
Speaker 2: he's playing shortstop. And it's like a combination of, well,
19:14
Speaker 2: he's getting older. And we saw all the complaints about
19:17
Speaker 2: him screwing up and everything. And then he did get
19:19
Speaker 2: better and had a better defensive year. And then we
19:21
Speaker 2: came back this year and things got pretty ugly there
19:24
Speaker 2: for a little while. On top of the fact that
19:26
Speaker 2: you really can't... I'm remembering maybe one two-week period this
19:30
Speaker 2: year where he was hitting... Pretty okay. Like, like, well,
19:35
Speaker 2: you can't really point to a patch of, this was
19:37
Speaker 2: a season long slump he was in, which I think
19:41
Speaker 2: to my previous point kind of leans into, oh, is
19:44
Speaker 2: this a slump or is this just forever? It feels
19:46
Speaker 2: more like forever with him. And that's why it feels
19:48
Speaker 2: a little more. confusing i guess with turner because he's
19:53
Speaker 2: not going anywhere yeah like him not agreeing to be
19:56
Speaker 2: traded i don't know but like who's gonna want to
20:00
Speaker 2: trade turner exactly the amount of money that he's owed
20:03
Speaker 2: so I think where he goes is look at what
20:06
Speaker 2: the Phillies' shopping list or needs are for this winter.
20:11
Speaker 2: Three-quarters of their infield, they kind of need somebody if
20:13
Speaker 2: you truly believe, like, oh, he can't play shortstop anymore,
20:16
Speaker 2: which I think you can upgrade for sure. Then one
20:20
Speaker 2: of the two outfield spots you also need to fill–
20:22
Speaker 2: kind of by default belongs to him. So start taking batting,
20:27
Speaker 2: like start shagging fly balls of batting practice, Trey. Cause
20:30
Speaker 2: I don't know how seriously you can take the team
20:33
Speaker 2: that puts him at shortstop and doesn't improve pretty significantly
20:38
Speaker 2: on defense elsewhere. Yeah. I just, but I will throw
20:41
Speaker 2: out there what I said on hidden season the other night,
20:43
Speaker 2: which is that it's really easy to get mad at
20:45
Speaker 2: players who are letting you down. And I'm certainly going
20:49
Speaker 2: to have done and will continue to do that. But yeah,
20:52
Speaker 2: Insiders will tell you that Trey Turner takes this stuff
20:55
Speaker 2: very seriously, very hard on himself, screws up, goes right
21:00
Speaker 2: into the cage for hours to hit. He is just
21:03
Speaker 2: as disgusted as you are at what is happening. That's
21:06
Speaker 2: not going to make them win a World Series. It
21:09
Speaker 2: probably isn't going to make you feel better watching him
21:11
Speaker 2: screw up an easy play, but he feels it too.
21:14
Speaker 2: So that's just worth putting out there.
21:16
Speaker 4: Well, we were disgusted with the bullpen this year.
21:18
Speaker 1: Almost consecutively game after game after game, of course. And
21:23
Speaker 1: Johan Duran. And I think Alex McFarlane probably are the
21:27
Speaker 1: only two members of the bullpen that should be coming
21:30
Speaker 1: back this coming season.
21:33
Speaker 4: They need a complete overhaul, right? At this point, they
21:35
Speaker 4: need a complete overhaul.
21:36
Speaker 1: Will we see about six new faces at, at, at
21:41
Speaker 1: this point with this particular aspect of this team and
21:43
Speaker 1: the bullpen, this off season here, are we going to
21:46
Speaker 1: see like six new faces?
21:48
Speaker 2: This is like any typical bullpen. There's two to four
21:52
Speaker 2: guys who are just like any guy, who could have
21:56
Speaker 2: been any guy. It could have been this guy, could
21:58
Speaker 2: have been that guy, and you would have gotten pretty
21:59
Speaker 2: much the same thing. Maybe you catch a guy who's
22:01
Speaker 2: never been a guy, and then suddenly he's a capital
22:03
Speaker 2: G guy for you that one year. I don't know
22:06
Speaker 2: if you'd call it luck with Matt Strom, but I
22:08
Speaker 2: think he got a better Matt Strom than you ever
22:10
Speaker 2: got from anywhere else he pitched. He came to Philly,
22:13
Speaker 2: and that was his peak. So, you know, you want to,
22:16
Speaker 2: you want to find your way to that. But as
22:17
Speaker 2: far as bullpen priorities go, I think you need a
22:21
Speaker 2: left-hander who can pitch in high leverage situations, you know,
22:24
Speaker 2: maybe not a tit for tat, John Duran analog, but left-handed,
22:29
Speaker 2: but like somebody who can come in with confidence in
22:32
Speaker 2: that moment, you need another left-handed guy to just be left-handed.
22:36
Speaker 2: And then you kind of need like inning eater guy,
22:39
Speaker 2: which again is one of those guys who could be anybody,
22:40
Speaker 2: but like, I don't want to see chase shoe guard again,
22:43
Speaker 2: like nothing personal against chase shoe guard. But like the
22:46
Speaker 2: amount of times you're seeing him, he kind of became
22:48
Speaker 2: the guy that would come into a game and you're like, well,
22:49
Speaker 2: some things have gone wrong. If he's coming into the game,
22:52
Speaker 2: then the game is bad. So yeah, to your point,
22:55
Speaker 2: I think complete overhaul essentially. And that's not even that
22:59
Speaker 2: dramatic when it's the bullpen, like do, do like, I'm
23:03
Speaker 2: not going to tell the Phillies to do some homework.
23:05
Speaker 2: That's absolutely ridiculous and condescending.
23:08
Speaker 4: But you know what I mean?
23:09
Speaker 2: Like every good bullpen we've had the past few years
23:12
Speaker 2: has felt kind of like a gift because I've seen
23:14
Speaker 2: so many terrible Phillies bullpens in my life. I've never
23:17
Speaker 2: seen one as bad as 2020. This year, things started
23:20
Speaker 2: getting close.
23:20
Speaker 4: Yes.
23:20
Speaker 2: And that was really devastating. You can do better than that,
23:24
Speaker 2: even just by pure luck. And I think it's capable,
23:28
Speaker 2: even if the kind of people the Phillies have to
23:30
Speaker 2: trade could get you the sort of relievers that they want.
23:33
Speaker 2: You're probably not getting like a starting all-star position player
23:37
Speaker 2: unless things get really crazy. But as far as like
23:40
Speaker 2: trading Brandon Marsh, if that's what you want to do,
23:44
Speaker 2: or trading Bryson Stott, which, you know, if that's what
23:46
Speaker 2: you want to do. You can probably get high-end reliever help,
23:50
Speaker 2: which comes with its own risks. But those are the
23:53
Speaker 2: changes I want to see. A big-time lefty who you
23:56
Speaker 2: can actually rely on and not bite through a desk
23:59
Speaker 2: watching Jose Alvarado try to pitch his way out of
24:01
Speaker 2: a jam. Right, exactly.
24:04
Speaker 4: Folks, we're going to take a break here.
24:06
Speaker 1: Great talk so far about this Phillies upcoming offseason here. Again,
24:09
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24:13
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24:23
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24:26
Speaker 2: Talk about a lousy bullpen. Go ahead and give that
24:29
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24:29
Speaker 4: There you go. All right, folks, we're going to take
24:31
Speaker 4: a break. When we get back more Phillies off season
24:34
Speaker 4: talk coming your way. All right.
24:37
Speaker 1: We're back to talk about this Philadelphia Phillies off season
24:40
Speaker 1: with our buddy, Justin clue. And so we're concluding the
24:44
Speaker 1: discussion could just a couple more topics here.
24:47
Speaker 4: I mean, even though this.
24:49
Speaker 1: Team and organization has been to the post season for
24:52
Speaker 1: the fifth year in a row, uh, Part of me
24:54
Speaker 1: thinks there's something to be said for that in this
24:57
Speaker 1: day and age of Major League Baseball play. The Philadelphia Phillies,
25:02
Speaker 1: they had a terrible offense this season. I mean, one
25:05
Speaker 1: of the worst in the league. And it begs the
25:08
Speaker 1: question whether or not they're actually going to need a
25:10
Speaker 1: new hitting coach. And if so, will we see a
25:13
Speaker 1: new hitting coach? Will this individual potentially make a difference
25:17
Speaker 1: at the end of the day? As I always say
25:19
Speaker 1: when I ask these questions, we don't have a crystal
25:20
Speaker 1: ball by any stretch, but Are they going to be
25:23
Speaker 1: getting a new hitting coach, do you think? Is it needed,
25:26
Speaker 1: and do you think it could spark something with the
25:29
Speaker 1: offense perhaps in 2027? Because I don't know if you
25:32
Speaker 1: can fall out of a basement window at this point
25:35
Speaker 1: when it comes to this offense.
25:37
Speaker 2: Well, just to go back to the manager conversation for
25:40
Speaker 2: one second, you can talk all day about how much
25:44
Speaker 2: impact a manager actually has, but I think what it
25:46
Speaker 2: comes down to is A manager can have a huge impact.
25:50
Speaker 2: They might have no impact, but they might make a
25:53
Speaker 2: huge impact. And a hitting coach is the same way.
25:55
Speaker 2: A hitting coach might have no impact. Firing one and
25:59
Speaker 2: bringing in another might not do absolutely anything to your offense.
26:03
Speaker 2: But it might change. He might be the guy who
26:05
Speaker 2: comes in and says the right thing to the right guy,
26:07
Speaker 2: and suddenly you've got a new hitter on your hands.
26:11
Speaker 2: How that works is kind of like up to the
26:13
Speaker 2: individual team. We all know what Kevin Long's relationship is
26:17
Speaker 2: with the Phillies and several individual Phillies, like Kyle Schwarber, obviously.
26:21
Speaker 2: I think he's very responsible for the success you have
26:23
Speaker 2: seen from Brandon Marsh. I guess that also makes him
26:26
Speaker 2: responsible for the success you have not seen from Brandon Marsh.
26:30
Speaker 2: So I don't want people to think, because I feel
26:34
Speaker 2: like it's out there, but people shouldn't think that a
26:36
Speaker 2: hitting coach is like, whispering in the batter's ear every
26:40
Speaker 2: time before he goes up the secret word. And then
26:43
Speaker 2: if he doesn't say the right word, the hitter is out.
26:45
Speaker 2: Like that's obviously not how it works. It's more about
26:47
Speaker 2: his influence. They talked, they talked about, we learned a
26:50
Speaker 2: little bit about the Phillies having hitters meetings. They talked
26:53
Speaker 2: like that one that their plate approach got really healthy
26:56
Speaker 2: for a couple of weeks because they had this meeting
26:58
Speaker 2: and And Kevin Long and his coaches were there like
27:00
Speaker 2: running that and talking about hitting and what the Phillies
27:02
Speaker 2: could do. There's been times when the Phillies were like,
27:05
Speaker 2: this is some people were thinking about acquiring. And Kevin
27:08
Speaker 2: Long's like, I'm watching tape on this guy. I can
27:11
Speaker 2: tell you, I know how to, what to do here.
27:13
Speaker 2: So bring him in here and he's going to become
27:14
Speaker 2: a better hitter. And that has happened. Of course, we've all,
27:17
Speaker 2: as you just said, we've all watched the team this year.
27:19
Speaker 2: We also are very aware of the inconsistency of this offense. Yes.
27:24
Speaker 2: I don't know how fixable that is from a hitting
27:26
Speaker 2: coach perspective, but, I don't know how open to listening
27:30
Speaker 2: players get when they're 30, 33, 34 years old and
27:34
Speaker 2: they're very set in their ways or they're more fluid
27:37
Speaker 2: and they're open to commentary and they're open to change.
27:40
Speaker 2: I don't know. You hear varying degrees of stubbornness from
27:44
Speaker 2: various parties. It really does come down to the individual.
27:47
Speaker 2: All that being said, If you want to fire Kevin
27:49
Speaker 2: Long tomorrow, go ahead. I'm not going to stand here
27:51
Speaker 2: and be like, oh, my God, they fired Kevin Long.
27:53
Speaker 2: Like at this point, enough time has passed for anybody
27:56
Speaker 2: who's been here the entire time to feel like their
27:58
Speaker 2: job isn't safe, to feel like, oh, we're making a
28:01
Speaker 2: change like with the manager. Sometimes Rob Thompson gets fired,
28:04
Speaker 2: even if it's not totally his fault or not. majority
28:07
Speaker 2: his fault that the team is struggling because that's just
28:10
Speaker 2: like a thing that can happen like throwing a firework
28:13
Speaker 2: into the clubhouse and it just makes everybody go oh
28:15
Speaker 2: my god it almost it also brings closure and it's
28:18
Speaker 2: like oh that was the time when we were struggling
28:20
Speaker 2: and then rob got fired and now there's like a
28:22
Speaker 2: before and after right big moment for the team and
28:25
Speaker 2: that's like okay well now we're in a totally different
28:27
Speaker 2: zone i feel kind of like refreshed and we start
28:29
Speaker 2: hitting just because mentally it's it's just you're in a
28:32
Speaker 2: different space so As far as the hitting coach influence, again,
28:35
Speaker 2: I think it comes down to the coach. It comes
28:37
Speaker 2: down to the players. Kevin Long may not be the
28:40
Speaker 2: guy anymore. And if this team's interested in making a
28:42
Speaker 2: bunch of changes, that's one you know you can make
28:44
Speaker 2: because he's not on a 13-year deal. You don't have
28:48
Speaker 2: to worry about how the market values him. This isn't
28:50
Speaker 2: like a Rick Cranett situation where the Phillies hemmed and
28:53
Speaker 2: hawed and the Braves saw their excellent pitching coach. This
28:56
Speaker 2: is something they could do, and I don't consider myself
29:00
Speaker 2: a Kevin Long defender. I'm more just like, hey, look,
29:02
Speaker 2: he has a good relationship with some of these guys,
29:04
Speaker 2: and a hitting coach's job is not what a lot
29:06
Speaker 2: of people think it is. But at the end of
29:07
Speaker 2: the day, change is necessary, and that's one you can
29:10
Speaker 2: make and perhaps make a very positive impact.
29:13
Speaker 4: Change is going to be happening with this team. For sure.
29:16
Speaker 1: And certainly we've been talking about it, but I think Justin,
29:19
Speaker 1: if we can conclude the conversation, going back to the
29:23
Speaker 1: initial part of our discussion about, you know, what type
29:28
Speaker 1: of potential investments could be made by the front office,
29:31
Speaker 1: by Dave Dombrowski, if he is still here, likely going
29:33
Speaker 1: to be here for the 2027 season, likely making moves
29:37
Speaker 1: during this off season because I still see, and we
29:42
Speaker 1: still see, Philly being that top five team in attendance
29:47
Speaker 1: in the sport of Major League Baseball. And I think
29:49
Speaker 1: if they want to keep it that way, they're going
29:52
Speaker 1: to need to make some more investments, business-like investments in
29:57
Speaker 1: talent to bring to this team. We talked about a
30:00
Speaker 1: number of areas of weakness where they need to address,
30:03
Speaker 1: whether it's in the bullpen, whether it is batting. They're
30:07
Speaker 1: going to have to spend more money, I'm assuming, correct?
30:11
Speaker 1: And I guess how aggressive do you think this front
30:13
Speaker 1: office is going to be at the end of the
30:14
Speaker 1: day based on what this.
30:16
Speaker 4: Team really needs to still compete in 2027?
30:19
Speaker 2: You start out saying, all right, let's be aggressive. Let's
30:24
Speaker 2: do it. Let's be aggressive. And then you look at
30:26
Speaker 2: the list and you just think, okay, realistically, or not realistically,
30:33
Speaker 2: likely that Harper, Turner, Schwarber, don't leave because of the
30:39
Speaker 2: reasons we all know why it is more, it is
30:41
Speaker 2: at least, there was at least like three obstacles in
30:44
Speaker 2: the way of, of trading those guys, then perhaps a
30:48
Speaker 2: Brandon Marsh or a Bryson stuff. My point just being,
30:51
Speaker 2: you go down the list pretty quick and to realize
30:53
Speaker 2: once again, you're, you're kind of limited unless you decide
30:58
Speaker 2: that you're not, unless you decide, you know what, we're
31:01
Speaker 2: going to try to trade Bryce Harper. You know what,
31:03
Speaker 2: we're going to try to trade Kyle Schwarber. Ken Rosenthal
31:06
Speaker 2: wrote a whole freaking column about it right after the
31:08
Speaker 2: Phillies got eliminated that they should consider specifically trading those
31:12
Speaker 2: two guys. Yeah. Again, the possibility of that, who knows,
31:17
Speaker 2: who knows what the interest would be in that? Because
31:19
Speaker 2: remember the Phillies are trading those guys in this scenario
31:22
Speaker 2: because it hasn't gone great. And yeah, they aren't like
31:25
Speaker 2: the guys who, especially Schwarber, they aren't the guys who
31:28
Speaker 2: are the most to blame, but you know, clearly Harper
31:30
Speaker 2: has struggled and isn't the hitter he once was. So again,
31:34
Speaker 2: How much can you get for them? What does a
31:35
Speaker 2: deal like that even look like? So I guess to
31:37
Speaker 2: not make this answer as yammering and long-winded as the
31:40
Speaker 2: others have been. That's my favorite.
31:43
Speaker 1: It's my favorite.
31:46
Speaker 2: The obvious ones are like Marsh, Stott, though Stott has
31:49
Speaker 2: a lot of value to you. If you're trying to
31:51
Speaker 2: fill out an infield and he's a guy who can
31:53
Speaker 2: play three positions pretty well with gold glove defense, that's
31:56
Speaker 2: something to consider. But that's also something to consider as
31:58
Speaker 2: far as what value he'd have to another team and
32:00
Speaker 2: what they'd be willing to give up for him. But
32:03
Speaker 2: then you move on and my mind has drifted towards
32:07
Speaker 2: Joanne Durant. Being one year from free agency and what
32:11
Speaker 2: good is an elite level closer if the rest of
32:13
Speaker 2: your bullpen sucks? Yeah. If you're not able to protect
32:16
Speaker 2: one run leads until then, that lead is gone by
32:19
Speaker 2: the ninth inning anyway. Like, what use does that guy have?
32:22
Speaker 4: Yeah.
32:23
Speaker 2: And every team is always, every contending team is always
32:26
Speaker 2: looking for a lights out closer like that. And then
32:29
Speaker 2: your mind kind of goes to, if we're talking about
32:31
Speaker 2: one year left, guys, Zach Wheeler, who also needs to
32:35
Speaker 2: approve the trade as well. But even so, and I
32:38
Speaker 2: don't want to be done with Zach Wheeler. But again,
32:41
Speaker 2: if you're trying to be aggressive, then you're dealing from
32:44
Speaker 2: a strength there. And he's a guy who's going to
32:47
Speaker 2: get you some guys. So, yeah. you know do you
32:50
Speaker 2: want to make like medium range trades do you want
32:52
Speaker 2: to like rip somebody out at the studs and see
32:55
Speaker 2: what you can get for them and go through the
32:57
Speaker 2: difficulty of convincing them like okay well you know we're
32:59
Speaker 2: trying to trade you because we have this in mind
33:01
Speaker 2: blah blah what does a dramatic thing look like for
33:03
Speaker 2: a team that that has all these players put in
33:06
Speaker 2: a position where they control whether they're traded or not
33:09
Speaker 2: they're making a ton of money that other teams may
33:11
Speaker 2: not want to pay you may not want to keep
33:12
Speaker 2: paying them like picking up part of the bill even
33:15
Speaker 2: if they do go to another team You know, and
33:18
Speaker 2: a lot of teams like you want to go hunting
33:20
Speaker 2: for a young catcher. Like, I don't think that's a
33:22
Speaker 2: super big priority for them right now. I think it
33:24
Speaker 2: should be, you know, you got to start looking for
33:26
Speaker 2: that guy, not for next year, but like somebody who's
33:29
Speaker 2: double a triple a level catcher who's, who's coming up
33:32
Speaker 2: and there are teams that have them, but do they
33:34
Speaker 2: want to give them up because there's a shortage of
33:36
Speaker 2: catchers right now.
33:37
Speaker 4: So exactly.
33:38
Speaker 2: Yeah. Change is, I think, I think the end of
33:41
Speaker 2: the day, the conclusion is we're all calling for change
33:43
Speaker 2: last year. And the Phillies tried to make a change
33:45
Speaker 2: last year with Bo Bichette. They tried that. And it's
33:48
Speaker 2: not like they pulled back at the last second. The
33:51
Speaker 2: Mets just pantsed them and they had a deal that
33:53
Speaker 2: they thought was going through. So they did try to
33:56
Speaker 2: make a change and that change would have included, they said,
33:59
Speaker 2: probably not having a real Muto back after that, which
34:02
Speaker 2: means they would have had to figure something out at
34:03
Speaker 2: catcher pretty quick. So that would have already been a change.
34:07
Speaker 2: We didn't get that. And mostly, it's totally fair to
34:10
Speaker 2: say they ran it back. This year, I think it is,
34:13
Speaker 2: we're calling for change again. The Phillies are aware they
34:16
Speaker 2: need to change again. I think it's much more likely
34:19
Speaker 2: that the kind of changes we're talking about occur. I
34:21
Speaker 2: think that there are some drastically new looks to the
34:27
Speaker 2: lineup by next year. And even if it's just like
34:29
Speaker 2: two or three new guys who aren't just like this
34:32
Speaker 2: year's Adolis Garcia. There's a lot of talk about randy
34:35
Speaker 2: a rosa rain out there being a good fit for
34:37
Speaker 2: this team say a suzuki being a good fit for
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Speaker 2: this team like these are kind of guys that you're
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Speaker 2: talking about being difference makers for your lineup so i
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Speaker 2: think it's at the end of the day specific changes
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Speaker 2: will come down to just how crazy this team wants
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Speaker 2: to get yeah i think it's more likely they get
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Speaker 2: crazier than last year this year Well.
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Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting, and we're going to continue
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Speaker 1: talking about this Phillies team on the Philadelphia Sports Table
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Speaker 1: podcast show. Again, folks, he is Justin Clue from the
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Speaker 1: Hit and Season podcast, also baseball prospectus and the writer
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Speaker 1: of the Summer of the Cheap Wieners book.
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Speaker 4: Uh, check out everything that, Oh, there it is.
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Speaker 2: There it is.
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Speaker 4: Boy, what a dramatic entrance of the book.
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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow.
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Speaker 2: I got to keep this thing close at hand. I
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Speaker 2: don't know why it's on a shelf.
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Speaker 4: You don't even need CGI, no AI.
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Speaker 1: I mean, just a dramatic entrance there as we are
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Speaker 1: finishing up here again, folks. He's Justin clue, my friend.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for taking the time. Always great
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Speaker 1: talking to you. And, uh, let's talk some more Phillies
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Speaker 1: talk in the future.
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Speaker 4: If you'd like.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. You're welcome for making that last answer, you know,
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Speaker 2: less long winded.
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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