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FT at Cardinals camp: Manager Oli Marmol, Derrick Goold · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: This offseason and this spring training has been very different.
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Speaker 1: We've hired a lot of people down below, some really
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Speaker 1: intelligent dudes that know the game.
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Speaker 2: Alie Marmo, the Saint Louis Cardinals skipper, getting all set up.
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Speaker 2: I can't wait for him to hear us too. So Kratz,
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Speaker 2: you're gonna do the intro since he's going to hear
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Speaker 2: us soon. But I'd like you to say hi to
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Speaker 2: him since you're actually sitting right next to him and
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Speaker 2: you can ask him a question.
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Speaker 3: You can say all the bad stuff until he can
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Speaker 3: hear you. And then once he can hear you, see
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Speaker 3: the ear piecel We got all Now we'll see if
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Speaker 3: you've been hearing. But Oli Mormal, the hefe the manager St.
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Speaker 1: Louis Cardinals.
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Speaker 3: Also, you don't hear anything yet, Scottie Todd.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we give him a little test.
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Speaker 3: You guys here, you got us. You'll hear him yet.
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Speaker 3: Here we gotta turn her. You gotta turn your your
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Speaker 3: piece on. There, we'll turn it on. Now, try a
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Speaker 3: little Scotty too hoty.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Hey, all right, that's good, okay, okay, really good
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Speaker 2: to see you.
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Speaker 1: We're good, We're good.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to do the classic house camp intro.
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Speaker 2: So I got to try to think of something else.
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Speaker 2: How about this? You know, just random, but but it
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Speaker 2: was news and we were there yesterday. What do you
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Speaker 2: think of the Yankees' facial hair policy? Going away?
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Speaker 1: We're going straight to that. Huh straight?
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Speaker 3: Ho was camp? The house camp question is kind of
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Speaker 3: kind of tired.
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Speaker 1: It is. I I'd rather not comment on a policy
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Speaker 1: for another organization. That's a crappy answer, but I'm sticking
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Speaker 1: to it.
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Speaker 3: When you see Todd, when you see Todd on the screen,
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Speaker 3: what do you think of when you see Todd Frasier
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Speaker 3: on the screen. Yeah, he looks better with a beard.
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Speaker 3: So there you go.
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Speaker 4: I appreciate that, Thank you very much.
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Speaker 1: Now I'll go first.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, everything's great, man, everything's great. Can't complain on here
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Speaker 4: talking to you guys. Wish I was out there with you,
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Speaker 4: battling with the boys. I want to I want to
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Speaker 4: first talk about, you know, when you're in spring training
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Speaker 4: as a manager. I know you, you know, before anything starts,
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Speaker 4: you have your meetings, everything, this and that, but you
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Speaker 4: have to portray a message to your team. And I
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Speaker 4: think you know, with all the off season stuff, the
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Speaker 4: buzz about Ornado, the buzz about you know, all these
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Speaker 4: different players, give me, give me your message right away
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Speaker 4: to the boys here and during the first you know,
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Speaker 4: meeting in camp, you know, when everybody's together, Like, what
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Speaker 4: what's like the first couple of things you say to
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Speaker 4: the guys here. Is it different every year or you
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Speaker 4: try and keep to the same same storyline.
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Speaker 1: No, there's there's some common themes that you stick to
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Speaker 1: that are just what we're about as an organization. But
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Speaker 1: every year it changes based on personnel and how the
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Speaker 1: previous year went and what you're wanting to play emphasis
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Speaker 1: on moving forward. I mean, this year is pretty simple.
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Speaker 1: It's us against the world. Man. Expectations on the outside
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Speaker 1: are what they are, but this group truly believes in
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Speaker 1: what's inside that build thing right now. So they're coming
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Speaker 1: together as a group really well. Even today, Man, probably
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Speaker 1: one of my favorite days on the field seeing these
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Speaker 1: guys go at it and do their defense together as
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Speaker 1: a group. But it's gonna be fun. I like this group.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of youth, there's a lot of energy
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Speaker 1: and guys that are looking to leave their mark on
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Speaker 1: this org. So I'm excited about what we're seeing right now.
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Speaker 3: Talking about leaving a mark on the org, like you
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Speaker 3: talk about okay, veteran guys showing rookie guys what to do.
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Speaker 3: All that stuff is cool, but like until you actually
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Speaker 3: do it, do something like you can't like you can't
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Speaker 3: even it's just words to some of these rookie guys.
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Speaker 3: And now early in the camp you don't freaking go
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Speaker 3: over four hours. And how much does it mean to
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Speaker 3: you as a manager when you see did five five vets?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, make the trip. And that's the thing, like they
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Speaker 1: ask for it, right, You plan out their week and
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Speaker 1: you go up to the off day which is Monday,
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Speaker 1: and say this is what I have for you, and
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Speaker 1: a couple of them came in and said that's great,
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Speaker 1: but I want to go on this trip. And usually
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Speaker 1: you let those guys and stay back, get some live
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Speaker 1: VP on the backfield, but they're wanting to get out
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Speaker 1: there and compete and be a group. And that's what's
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Speaker 1: gonna make this thing go right. Like you've been on
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Speaker 1: teams that you have some talent but they don't come
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Speaker 1: together and you just do okay. And then there's certain teams, man,
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Speaker 1: where you just it becomes family and you get after
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Speaker 1: and there's times where things don't go well, but you
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Speaker 1: still come together as a group and it ends up
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Speaker 1: playing out. Okay. So I like the way it's shaping
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Speaker 1: up so far, man.
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Speaker 3: But if the Vets are doing that, no doubt, ain't
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Speaker 3: no rookie that can be Like, dude, I gotta ride
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Speaker 3: the buck, I gotta go.
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Speaker 1: I'd love to hear it.
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Speaker 3: Like, did you see any comments, like you know how
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Speaker 3: it's like, all right, we got two games over there
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Speaker 3: now to need and nobody's gonna be at that game Yankees.
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Speaker 3: Some people can get kind of excited about for whatever reason,
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Speaker 3: But like, did you see any of that? Did you
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Speaker 3: see like less complaining than you thought you would we.
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Speaker 1: I didn't hear now stiff complaining on the entire trip
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Speaker 1: that they needing trip, and then the Tampa. I mean
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Speaker 1: I can't think of one guy where it was they
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Speaker 1: didn't want to be there. I mean, we're ready to play,
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Speaker 1: had a good off season, now it's time to go.
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Speaker 1: So zero from anybody, to be quite honest.
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Speaker 3: Now we're talking about obviously you know, the facial hair
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Speaker 3: thing was kind of funny, But I'm talking about Paul
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Speaker 3: gold Schmith, who's over there now, yeh, what does he
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Speaker 3: mean to you? Because I read a story? What does
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Speaker 3: he mean to you? And I'll let you say whatever
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Speaker 3: you want about Paul.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's certain dudes that are on a completely different
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Speaker 1: list of great players, but incredible, incredible humans, and he's uh,
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Speaker 1: he's unreal man. There's a to be as good as
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Speaker 1: he is. What he looks for off the field just
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Speaker 1: opportunities to make sure people are taken care of. That's
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Speaker 1: the simplest way put. It's just he's constantly looking for
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if it's player, rookie, veteran, staff member,
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Speaker 1: training staff. He's constantly looking for opportunities to to take
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Speaker 1: care of people. And if you ask him about it,
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Speaker 1: he would. I mean, he probably hated me telling that
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Speaker 1: story because he just doesn't want anybody known about it.
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Speaker 1: He's been blessed and he really takes the stance of like,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to make sure that I can do that
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Speaker 1: for other people. But he's been incredible to me. Obviously
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Speaker 1: enjoyed managing him, and I wish him nothing but the
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Speaker 1: best over in New York. But he's an absolute stud
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Speaker 1: of a person.
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Speaker 3: Can I have you tell the story because I kind
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Speaker 3: of alluded to.
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Speaker 1: It, sure, and it's I mean, I had I have
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Speaker 1: two daughters in twenty nineteen when when Kylie was born,
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Speaker 1: he knew that I was going to kind of be
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Speaker 1: on the road. We had a stretch of games that
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Speaker 1: was going to be tough and a lot of travel
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Speaker 1: and my wife already had a two year old on
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Speaker 1: her hands. And without I mean, it came out of nowhere.
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Speaker 1: But he came up and he said, hey, listen, you
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Speaker 1: can't say no to this. I've already hired a night nurse.
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Speaker 1: She's going to come to the house every day while
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Speaker 1: we're on the road, and you have nothing to worry about.
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Speaker 1: And this isn't a matter of you saying yes or
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Speaker 1: no like it's done. So things like that where he's
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Speaker 1: just so thoughtful and intentional with everything, man to think about,
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Speaker 1: I need you to be focused, And I know your
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Speaker 1: wife's going to be tired, so I've already taken care
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Speaker 1: of that. Like that's unreal. So it makes you think
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Speaker 1: about what opportunity is am I missing that I can
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Speaker 1: take care of? Right, So that's always stuck with me
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Speaker 1: and I'm constantly now looking for those type of opportunities
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Speaker 1: to take care of our staff and our players. So
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Speaker 1: he means the world to me. Man, he's an absolute stud. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's awesome.
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Speaker 4: So the organ that's really really cool. So the organization
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Speaker 4: has actually come out and said they're going to be real.
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Speaker 4: But rebuilding with the younger players, does that kind of
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Speaker 4: switch up your approach your message towards things at all?
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Speaker 1: Not entirely man, Like you when you think about the
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Speaker 1: minor leagues and development, and that's where I came through,
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Speaker 1: and a lot of our staff when you look at
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Speaker 1: their background, they have that that part of them minim
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Speaker 1: where they came up through our system developing players. You
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Speaker 1: want to develop winning players, and so the message doesn't
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Speaker 1: change at all. Man, We're going to strive to create
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Speaker 1: a winning culture in that clubhouse and go win as
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Speaker 1: many ballgames as possible. Will we allow a certain runway
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Speaker 1: or longer runway to some of these young guys to
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Speaker 1: make sure that at the end of this year we
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Speaker 1: have clarity as to who they are and what they
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Speaker 1: can do and what they can't do. Absolutely, But the
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Speaker 1: message of going out there and competing all nine that
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Speaker 1: doesn't change at all.
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Speaker 3: What you're talking about the young guys. I want to
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Speaker 3: go to the JJ Weatherholp thing. One of the guys
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Speaker 3: I talked to, by the way, is dude, it's like
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Speaker 3: a mini like Tyler O'Neill. He is Jack. I saw
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Speaker 3: him hit his appo tank the other day, so obviously
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Speaker 3: baseball wise fixes for it. Baseball wise, he's got he's
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Speaker 3: got the skills.
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Speaker 1: Yea.
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Speaker 3: His presentation in front of Ozzie Smith is that like
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Speaker 3: one of those things that do you guys do more
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Speaker 3: of that stuff? Is that initiated by youth? Now?
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Speaker 1: Actually, Descalzo wanted those guys to Chase Davis and JJ
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Speaker 1: to present to the group and just give a little
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Speaker 1: brief history on Ozzy and on David Freeze who they
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Speaker 1: were both here in person to listen to it. But
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Speaker 1: they did a phenomenal job. But both presented well. But
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Speaker 1: JJ's man, this guy's I don't like talking about the
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Speaker 1: young guys before they get to us, in said in
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Speaker 1: any type of expectations. But he's a he's a special talent,
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Speaker 1: and the way he about the game, the way he
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Speaker 1: approaches his day, he's not phased by a whole lot. Man.
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Speaker 1: I've been watching him closely and he's he's intentional with
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Speaker 1: everything he does. Throughout the day and you sit back
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Speaker 1: and you watch them, and there's something about him that
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Speaker 1: makes you think he's gonna be doing this for a
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Speaker 1: very long time.
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Speaker 3: Is that tough for you when you know, like what
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Speaker 3: the ORG thinks of somebody and then he comes into
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Speaker 3: camp and you're getting eyes on him and you're like, I.
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Speaker 1: Think you guys are off like this guy might be
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Speaker 1: better than you.
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Speaker 3: Know that little intangent. I think it's like being being
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Speaker 3: on time, being aware of what a pictures like locked
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Speaker 3: in when other rookie guys are like jacking around on
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Speaker 3: the bench. No.
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Speaker 1: I mean you get as much intel from the guys
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Speaker 1: that've been around them and lived with them, and then
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Speaker 1: certain scouts, and you just take all of that to
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Speaker 1: make your own, your own decision on the guy.
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Speaker 5: Man.
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Speaker 1: So it's good to have that intel and then to
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Speaker 1: sit back and watch them early in camp and see
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Speaker 1: how they go about their business. Up to this point,
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Speaker 1: it's been pretty impressive. In Matthews No, two days ago,
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Speaker 1: days ago, Yeah with Toronto, Yeah, did a nice job.
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Speaker 1: Got into some trouble and got out of it, big
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Speaker 1: arm and same thing. Not phased by a whole lot.
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Speaker 4: Men.
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Speaker 1: You sit back and you watch these young guys and
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Speaker 1: you see how they react to certain comments, and at
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Speaker 1: times you try to kind of say things to see
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Speaker 1: kind of how they react to it. And he isn't phased.
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Speaker 1: There's something to being young and not caring. And when
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Speaker 1: I say that in a positive way, like, man, I'm
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Speaker 1: not going to make this any bigger than it is.
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Speaker 1: I know what I bring to the table. I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: have my ears open and make adjustments, but I'm not
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Speaker 1: going to make this any bigger than it is. And
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Speaker 1: both those guys have done a nice job with that.
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Speaker 2: good old days, were they?
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Speaker 3: What about what about a guy like Sonny Gray who
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Speaker 3: came in last year was kind of like was a vet.
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Speaker 3: You had some vets. You brought a lot of vets in,
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Speaker 3: So he's kind of now he's you know, in my opinion,
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Speaker 3: a guy with no trade probably chose to come back here.
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Speaker 3: That seems like that should be a huge value for
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Speaker 3: you guys, not only the fact that he's gonna not
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Speaker 3: just eat innings, but he's elite and this dude playing
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Speaker 3: with him, I know what he brings to the table.
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Speaker 1: Yes, there's a certain mentality to this guy that's special.
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Speaker 1: You want your young guys to walk in and watch
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Speaker 1: his every move because there's a reason for everything he does,
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Speaker 1: from the time he walks into the clubhouse of the
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Speaker 1: training room to how he goes about his bullpens to
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Speaker 1: prepping for a game. There there's a gosh like a
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Speaker 1: competitive nature to everything he does where you want guys
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Speaker 1: mimic you want them to mimic that. So him saying
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Speaker 1: I want to be here for this transition period is
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Speaker 1: uh is meaningful to my seat for sure, and I
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Speaker 1: know the fans absolutely love it.
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Speaker 4: I have one more question.
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Speaker 1: I'm curious.
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Speaker 4: You know you guys, you guys have your meetings before
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Speaker 4: and after game. You say, this is my trend about meetings.
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Speaker 4: But is there is there a guy? I know it's
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Speaker 4: early in camp, but is there a young cat right
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Speaker 4: now where you guys afterwards when you come together, Like
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Speaker 4: I want to see more of this guy, Like did
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Speaker 4: this guy you know he could help us in the
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Speaker 4: long run, or this guy he might be so body
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Speaker 4: halfway during the season or a month then that we're
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Speaker 4: gonna need him to come up here, you know, sparkle,
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Speaker 4: plug in this team and go out there and dominate.
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Speaker 4: It's been a young guy out there right now that's
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Speaker 4: been like, Wow, I didn't know really much about him
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Speaker 4: now kind I kind of figured.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think JJ fits into that not so much
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Speaker 1: as that man. We got to see him so he
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Speaker 1: can break camp with us. As much as like, there's
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Speaker 1: something special about this kid. I want to see him
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Speaker 1: as much as possible because you want to see them
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Speaker 1: do well, but you also want to see them fail
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Speaker 1: a little bit. You want to see them run into
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Speaker 1: some trouble and see how they come through that and
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Speaker 1: how they react to it. So, uh, that's been fun.
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Speaker 1: And then from the left side, the jerky kid. We've
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Speaker 1: seen him in the past, but there's some funk to him,
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Speaker 1: so seeing him in shorter stints so far it's been
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Speaker 1: interesting and definitely want to see more of that as well.
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Speaker 3: What does what does the Nolan and Wilson changing position,
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Speaker 3: What is that like dynamic? How does that change for
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Speaker 3: you in the sense of like you had to do
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Speaker 3: that work ahead of time, you had to talk to
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Speaker 3: Wilson ahead of time, and now that they're in camp,
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Speaker 3: how has it changed, like your relationship with those guys.
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Speaker 1: He's a pro. I remember the first call where we
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Speaker 1: sat down and kind of like walked through it, and
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Speaker 1: his exact words were, you know, I'm a team guy,
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Speaker 1: and I'll do anything to stay here and help this club.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about doing this somewhere else.
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Speaker 1: And if that's a first base in order to keep
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Speaker 1: me healthy for one sixty two and giving the young
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Speaker 1: guys a shot behind the plate that I'm in. So
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Speaker 1: the conversation was super simple. There was no pushback. And
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Speaker 1: this guy's a pro, like he's handled adversity well after
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Speaker 1: coming over to us. So that conversation, I don't want
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Speaker 1: to say it was easy, but he made it easy.
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Speaker 3: When you make when when you bring in guys like
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Speaker 3: John Jay from other I mean, you can't you can't
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Speaker 3: not love him. I mean, the guy's got the perfect
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Speaker 3: runway of baseball. Like he went to Miami. His wife's
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Speaker 3: from Saint Louis. She was in Miami. Then he coached
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Speaker 3: in Miami. Like this guy's just do you just I
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Speaker 3: like you just picked up gold and like perfection.
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Speaker 1: Yes, Like you want to make sure you fill in
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Speaker 1: certain holes from a staff standpoint and based on the
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Speaker 1: personnel like the players coming through, young guys, who's going
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Speaker 1: to relate best with them? John Jay has been incredible
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Speaker 1: even though we're like I give him some love today
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Speaker 1: as I was out there and they're finishing up their
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Speaker 1: work because man, it's it's fun to watch them just
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Speaker 1: the way he's direct. But he has a relationship with
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Speaker 1: these guys even in the offseason, like he'd come down
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Speaker 1: and work with Walker and Siani and Victor Scott and
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Speaker 1: those guys. So he's built that relationship with them where
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Speaker 1: he can be direct and challenge them and tell the
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Speaker 1: new part, Hey, that's not good enough, like let's do
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Speaker 1: it again, and there's no pushback because they know that
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Speaker 1: he cares right and he has the credibility of playing
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Speaker 1: for for ten years in the league. So man, just
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Speaker 1: the overall package of of who he is and what
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Speaker 1: he brings to the table and the way he's gone
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Speaker 1: about the work with the outfielders's spring has been absolutely incredible.
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Speaker 1: It's your fourth or fifth season, This will be my
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Speaker 1: fourth as manager. What surprised you the most about being
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Speaker 1: a manager that you've watched it from afar and now
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Speaker 1: you become a manager and you've pretty much managed through everything. Gosh,
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Speaker 1: I've seen a couple of guys come through. When I
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Speaker 1: was the first base coach for Matheni and then when
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Speaker 1: I was a bench coach for Shilty, and when you're
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Speaker 1: in the bench coach position, you're the person that they
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Speaker 1: kind of went to, and I would I would always
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Speaker 1: kind of sit there and go, man, don't worry about
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Speaker 1: the media, don't worry about the fans. Don't And then
16:28
Speaker 1: you get in the seat and you're like, damn, that's real,
16:31
Speaker 1: like you know, like you feel it right. So I
16:35
Speaker 1: would say that that's probably the thing that's probably most
16:39
Speaker 1: misunderstood about the position, at least for me.
16:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, enjoyed it. Enjoy that part. I don't.
16:44
Speaker 1: I do. I don't mind it. I enjoy the pressure.
16:48
Speaker 1: I love that our our city is a baseball city. Man.
16:52
Speaker 1: They care about everything we do and everything is important. Uh.
16:57
Speaker 1: It's what gets me up in the morning. And I've
16:59
Speaker 1: said it before, but I mean that if I were
17:01
Speaker 1: doing it in a city where they didn't care as
17:02
Speaker 1: much as Saint Louis, I'd have a hard time doing it.
17:04
Speaker 1: So I welcome that accountability and pressure. It's what gets
17:08
Speaker 1: me going, Yeah, that's.
17:09
Speaker 2: Cool, that's cool. Yeah, you're fortunate. You're in a great spot. Ali,
17:13
Speaker 2: I got one more for you. Okay. So towards the
17:16
Speaker 2: end of last year, you know, there was articles about
17:19
Speaker 2: the team's player development and the staff and how hey,
17:22
Speaker 2: they wanted to boost it up again. So can you
17:25
Speaker 2: walk us through if that's felt now and what that
17:27
Speaker 2: looks like. And I guess the secondary part of this
17:30
Speaker 2: is is that more for minor league talent or would
17:33
Speaker 2: that also be helpful for major league talent like say
17:35
Speaker 2: Mason Wynn. Can that help take someone like him from
17:39
Speaker 2: great player to superstar player?
17:43
Speaker 1: Yeah? The way it was described a lot leading into
17:46
Speaker 1: the offseason was more on the player development side in
17:48
Speaker 1: the minor leagues. And I'll tell you that the investments
17:51
Speaker 1: that were made not only in manpower but technology, in
17:55
Speaker 1: catching up to the league and then positioning ourselves to
18:00
Speaker 1: lead the league again in that department, like when you
18:03
Speaker 1: think of the Sant Louis Cardinals man like all the
18:05
Speaker 1: way back. It's an innovative organization and we got to
18:11
Speaker 1: the point where we knew we have to make certain
18:12
Speaker 1: investments in order to get to where we want to
18:15
Speaker 1: get to. So it has felt I'll tell you right
18:17
Speaker 1: now that this offseason and this spring training has been
18:21
Speaker 1: very different. We've hired a lot of people down below,
18:25
Speaker 1: and not just bodies, but some really intelligent dudes. That
18:30
Speaker 1: know the game, that understand the modernization of the game,
18:33
Speaker 1: but are good baseball guys, and it's it's made a
18:37
Speaker 1: difference in how we can staff our stations, how we're
18:41
Speaker 1: looking at all the data coming in and making it
18:44
Speaker 1: simple and actionable. Like there's there's a big difference in
18:47
Speaker 1: how we are approaching this year compared to the previous year.
18:50
Speaker 1: So some of the changes that have been made up
18:52
Speaker 1: to this point are felt definitely felt on the minor
18:55
Speaker 1: league side, and we're feeling it on the big league side.
18:57
Speaker 1: The collaboration with MO and the farm director and new
19:01
Speaker 1: assistant AGM from home all the way, I mean, it's
19:06
Speaker 1: been the collaboration has been incredible with the big league
19:09
Speaker 1: staff and the minor league player development staff. So I
19:12
Speaker 1: feel great about where we are as an ORG right
19:14
Speaker 1: now and where we're headed. It's actually been pretty exciting.
19:18
Speaker 4: So I want to go in a little baseball logistics here.
19:22
Speaker 4: We're talking about strikes on balls and strikes.
19:24
Speaker 5: Now.
19:25
Speaker 4: Have you guys gone over like, Hey, is it catcher
19:28
Speaker 4: mainly gonna do it? Is the pitcher is the batter?
19:30
Speaker 4: Have you guys talked about anything like that yet, because
19:32
Speaker 4: you only get two of them? So you got to
19:33
Speaker 4: be real specific. Are you gonna wait till the end
19:36
Speaker 4: like that? That's gonna be the end game stuff that
19:38
Speaker 4: I'm really intrigued about.
19:40
Speaker 1: No doubt. Here's the way we've positioned it up to
19:43
Speaker 1: this point is your big boys that are playing the
19:47
Speaker 1: first half of the game are the ones that haven't
19:49
Speaker 1: experienced it. The guys that are coming in later in
19:51
Speaker 1: the game when you would consider it to be more leverage,
19:53
Speaker 1: are the guys that have already experienced the ABS. So
19:55
Speaker 1: I want our dudes in the front end, whether it's
19:58
Speaker 1: a meaningful spot in the game or not, to use
20:00
Speaker 1: it and just get feedback as to how they like it.
20:04
Speaker 1: We made it clear that pitchers are not good at
20:08
Speaker 1: at challenging balls and strikes. They think everything's a strikes,
20:11
Speaker 1: So we would prefer catchers to be the one to
20:13
Speaker 1: do it. But but overall, I'd rather not Oh and
20:17
Speaker 1: Contrarists and Don and those guys that haven't experienced ABS
20:21
Speaker 1: to be the ones to challenge and get a feel
20:23
Speaker 1: for it as we go through camp. That's the way
20:26
Speaker 1: we're we're looking at it at the moment, last one, Yeah,
20:29
Speaker 1: go for it?
20:29
Speaker 3: How much At Doctor Phillips, I call it Doctor Pepper
20:32
Speaker 3: High School.
20:32
Speaker 1: So Glad is not here.
20:34
Speaker 3: That's that's where we're getting how much how much? Scott
20:38
Speaker 3: says the same, how much is there? Just too much
20:40
Speaker 3: presents the stuff there and really he's only played man.
20:45
Speaker 3: If you've been like essentially, you've been his boss.
20:50
Speaker 1: I have not been back to Doctor Phillips in a minute.
20:54
Speaker 1: So that's on me. I need to actually do that.
20:56
Speaker 1: He lives in Orlando, so he's there, but I need
21:00
Speaker 1: to do a better job of actually getting back there
21:02
Speaker 1: and being a part of what's going on.
21:04
Speaker 3: So just like, just like they don't want the White Sox,
21:06
Speaker 3: he doesn't want the White Sox to win a World
21:08
Speaker 3: series so he can be the last one. He doesn't
21:10
Speaker 3: invite you back, so he's like, uh, maybe Johnny Damon,
21:13
Speaker 3: don't ask.
21:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw him yesterday in the clubhouse. I told
21:16
Speaker 1: him it was good seeing him. But yeah, it's okay.
21:21
Speaker 3: Oh, I appreciate it. We appreciate it. Thanks for taking
21:24
Speaker 3: no doubt good luck. This year we'll be watching.
21:26
Speaker 2: We can't find the Cardinals. They're hiding from us, but
21:29
Speaker 2: we can't find our buddy. Derek Goold from the Saint
21:31
Speaker 2: Louis Post dispatch. Always fun at Cardinals camp, Derek, great
21:35
Speaker 2: to see you. How is that Nolan I experienced yesterday?
21:40
Speaker 2: Oh there he is.
21:42
Speaker 5: Yeah, up up in Tampa. Was interesting. You know, they've
21:46
Speaker 5: been pretty clear with us about his schedule and going
21:49
Speaker 5: every other day and wanting to maintain that. I mean,
21:52
Speaker 5: it was one of the first things after he answered
21:54
Speaker 5: all the questions about the non trade winter and all
21:58
Speaker 5: the thoughts he had about reporting the Cardinal camp, one
22:01
Speaker 5: of the first things he said was, I'm here to
22:03
Speaker 5: play a lot. I cannot wait to play a lot.
22:05
Speaker 5: And he's brought that often.
22:07
Speaker 1: You know.
22:07
Speaker 5: He wanted to take it bats right away with the
22:10
Speaker 5: with LOBBYP and get right in the games. And they
22:12
Speaker 5: set up his schedule. It's all based around Monday's off day,
22:16
Speaker 5: but he didn't want to go two days off in
22:18
Speaker 5: a row and had a chance to hang out with
22:21
Speaker 5: some buddies.
22:21
Speaker 3: You know.
22:22
Speaker 5: I'm sure you guys maybe got a chance to talk
22:23
Speaker 5: to DJ Lil Mayhew. I talked to Paul Goldschma yesterday
22:26
Speaker 5: up there in Tampa and they were both saying how
22:28
Speaker 5: they got to spend time the night before with Nolan Arnatto,
22:31
Speaker 5: who drove up. You know, he got to play, and
22:35
Speaker 5: he got to play a little bit longer than he
22:36
Speaker 5: expected because he wanted three of bats and out and
22:39
Speaker 5: then on the road. But sixteen up, sixteen down kind
22:43
Speaker 5: of meant that third of bat came in the seventh inning,
22:45
Speaker 5: so he he was in Tampa a lot longer than
22:48
Speaker 5: he expected.
22:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've followed him playing other spring trainings. Yeah, has
22:53
Speaker 3: he always taken this many a bat? So?
22:56
Speaker 5: Oh, this many at bats?
22:57
Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, he said, Oh, I want to
23:00
Speaker 3: you out there. I guess we're kind of craz skeptical,
23:03
Speaker 3: skeptical about it, but like.
23:04
Speaker 5: It's a great question. You know, he's always been a
23:08
Speaker 5: guy who wanted to play and play a lot, you know,
23:12
Speaker 5: this many of bats this early. You know, the way
23:14
Speaker 5: he explained it was like, look, he put in all
23:16
Speaker 5: this work to be mobile. He put in the work
23:18
Speaker 5: to you know, kind of alter his swing a little
23:20
Speaker 5: bit and get back to a lot of that pulse
23:23
Speaker 5: side power and comfort. And I think he wants to
23:27
Speaker 5: make the most of it, like get some positive reinforcement
23:30
Speaker 5: early on, see how it's working. You know, that's something
23:33
Speaker 5: that he and the hitting coach, Brian Brown, have talked about.
23:35
Speaker 5: Bran Brown you know about all the stuff going on
23:37
Speaker 5: with you know, Nolan Arnado in the front office and
23:39
Speaker 5: whether we'd be traded or not. The Cardinals, who hitting
23:42
Speaker 5: coach Bran Brown visited with Arnatto during the winter, spend
23:45
Speaker 5: time with him, kind of talked through a plan to like, Okay,
23:49
Speaker 5: here's where we can get you to. What do you
23:51
Speaker 5: want to do from your swing? Where do you think
23:52
Speaker 5: it went wrong last year? What were you missing? What
23:54
Speaker 5: comfort were you missing? And they want to get back
23:57
Speaker 5: to that, like that's something. So he did mention that, like,
23:59
Speaker 5: all right, get a lot of bats early, get a
24:01
Speaker 5: feel for it, see where it goes. It's not so
24:03
Speaker 5: much like get a lot of bats early, get that
24:06
Speaker 5: rhythm going, and then crank your way through the end
24:09
Speaker 5: of March into a new team. That wasn't kind of
24:11
Speaker 5: the thinking.
24:12
Speaker 3: And you're you're talking about the league player and our yeah,
24:15
Speaker 3: you know, fringe Hall of Fame type of player.
24:17
Speaker 5: But probably a Hall of Fame player right ten years
24:20
Speaker 5: Dangle Gloves, I feel like he's.
24:22
Speaker 3: A Hall of famer. We're not discussing Hall of.
24:23
Speaker 5: Fam Sorry, sorry, no, that's December.
24:26
Speaker 3: That's December. Yeah, off season stuff. But my my thought
24:30
Speaker 3: is the team wanted.
24:31
Speaker 5: To trade him. Yeah, whose spot is he really taking?
24:34
Speaker 3: If he's still on here, that will push for that development.
24:37
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about, oh, well, you know, we'll sign
24:39
Speaker 3: somebody that'll be like it, because obviously they're not going
24:41
Speaker 3: to sign anybody. They're the only team left without a
24:44
Speaker 3: big league free agent so far since the Marlins made
24:47
Speaker 3: a huge splash in the free agency.
24:48
Speaker 5: But who rocked Jupiter? All, well, yeah, it's great. So
24:56
Speaker 5: it's not like linear, right, It's not like Nolan arn
24:59
Speaker 5: out of playing third cost this third base prospect playing time.
25:04
Speaker 5: It's more of a trickle down in the sense that
25:07
Speaker 5: with Nolan Arnauto at third, than Nolan Gorman is not.
25:10
Speaker 5: Nolan Gorman is at second, so Brendan Donovan is not.
25:14
Speaker 5: Brendan Donovan is in left field, so Lars newpar Is
25:17
Speaker 5: not so, then Lars newpar Is in center, so Michael
25:20
Speaker 5: Cianni or Victor Scott the second is not. So it
25:24
Speaker 5: really comes down to not so much a development question,
25:27
Speaker 5: but the classic conundrum of defense versus offense. Eric, you
25:31
Speaker 5: know this notion that like, all right, do you go
25:33
Speaker 5: with the best lineup that produces the most offense, because
25:37
Speaker 5: that's Lars in center field right now? Or do you
25:40
Speaker 5: play to the ballpark that you have. Do you prioritize defense,
25:43
Speaker 5: which we've seen the Cardinals do and excel at a
25:45
Speaker 5: run prevention style. And then you have Sianni or the
25:48
Speaker 5: own prospect, Victor Scott, you know I mean. And then
25:51
Speaker 5: you go down to the bench, like where does Thomas
25:52
Speaker 5: just Sejac fit in? If you know Nolan Arnauto is
25:56
Speaker 5: at third and now there's a less spot, one less
25:58
Speaker 5: spot on the bench. You have a right handed, versatile
26:01
Speaker 5: young rookie player in Thomas a Jac Does he have
26:04
Speaker 5: a spot in the big leagues or is his playing
26:06
Speaker 5: time going to be so minimal in the big leagues
26:08
Speaker 5: that they want him playing every day and continue to
26:11
Speaker 5: develop triple A. So it's not like a direct line
26:14
Speaker 5: that's going to cost all of us. I known, Nolan
26:16
Speaker 5: Gorman isn't going to get five hundred bats. He'll still
26:18
Speaker 5: get at bats. It's more elsewhere and around the roster
26:22
Speaker 5: where those at bats are going to go this year.
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27:25
Speaker 3: But this is my issue with the Cardinals when I
27:27
Speaker 3: watch them. If you're rebuilding, you want to rebuild around
27:30
Speaker 3: guys Mason wins playing short. Yeah, bang, we got it.
27:33
Speaker 5: Yep.
27:34
Speaker 3: You just shifted everybody around the infield and outfield and
27:37
Speaker 3: all this stuff. And that's to me, I feel like
27:40
Speaker 3: that's part of one of the things that has gotten
27:42
Speaker 3: them to this spot is never having that guy that
27:47
Speaker 3: plays that position, whatever it is. It's like, yeah, it's like, hey,
27:51
Speaker 3: you know what, you're coming showing up today and you're
27:53
Speaker 3: gonna hit second. Now you're hit playing left, and you're
27:55
Speaker 3: tomorrow you're gonna play third and you're hitting seventh. Yeah.
27:58
Speaker 3: Why as a young that's hard to adjust to. And
28:01
Speaker 3: I thought, in this reboot, rebuild, whatever it's called, I
28:05
Speaker 3: got seven guys, they're all going out there and I'm
28:08
Speaker 3: mixing in catcher here and there. I'm mixing in a
28:11
Speaker 3: one platoon advantage. But we're an organization that's gonna lock
28:15
Speaker 3: this in. And so you're saying that's probably not gonna happen.
28:18
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think they still can. You know,
28:20
Speaker 5: it's a question of will production make the answer for them, right, Like,
28:25
Speaker 5: that's back to where it's at. Not so much that
28:27
Speaker 5: they can force the issue.
28:28
Speaker 3: You know.
28:29
Speaker 5: One of the things like exactly what you're talking about.
28:30
Speaker 5: It's like one of the skills that they had is
28:33
Speaker 5: also become their curse. Like you know, for years down
28:36
Speaker 5: here in spring training, I've heard from other teams who
28:38
Speaker 5: are around the Mets, you know, the Astros there for
28:41
Speaker 5: a while, and they talk about how the Cardinals always
28:43
Speaker 5: seem to like get that versatile guy, that guy who produces.
28:46
Speaker 5: Maybe he doesn't have an everyday position, but an every
28:48
Speaker 5: day spot in the lineup. Tommy Edmond comes to mind,
28:51
Speaker 5: you know. I mean, you could go way back to
28:53
Speaker 5: the performance that they got out of Aaron Miles when
28:55
Speaker 5: he was there, So I mean, I can run the
28:57
Speaker 5: whole gamut of a couple of decades. Brendan Donovan is
29:00
Speaker 5: that guy who wins the Utility Gold Glove Award. Right, So,
29:03
Speaker 5: the Cardinals have had a track record of producing, like
29:06
Speaker 5: contributing players who play a lot of different spots, while
29:09
Speaker 5: some of these other teams have struggled to do that.
29:11
Speaker 5: But that's also been their curse in the sense that
29:14
Speaker 5: it can make them impatient, right like they can and
29:17
Speaker 5: it's really out there in the outfield right where you know,
29:20
Speaker 5: Randal Gritchick is their guy until he's not. Randy rose
29:24
Speaker 5: Arena is their guy until he suddenly is not. You know,
29:28
Speaker 5: Layne Thomas was their guy until he got hurt, and
29:30
Speaker 5: then when he came back, Harrison Vader was their guy.
29:33
Speaker 5: So you know, all these all these folks, and then
29:35
Speaker 5: they were constantly the word that I John Mozelak us
29:38
Speaker 5: that's app appropriate is they were constantly like chasing. And
29:42
Speaker 5: over the last few years they've been chasing innings with starters.
29:45
Speaker 5: But there was this notion that they were always kind
29:47
Speaker 5: of chasing the production at a position, and that made
29:50
Speaker 5: them impatient. They never let a guy kind of go
29:52
Speaker 5: through the rocky times that then allowed in Adolas Garcia
29:55
Speaker 5: to emerge or get the playing time that Randy rose
29:58
Speaker 5: Arena could have to emerge. These guys had flaws in
30:01
Speaker 5: their games. They went elsewhere and overcame them through playing
30:05
Speaker 5: time and an opportunity that was just never gonna happen
30:09
Speaker 5: here with the Cardinals because the pressure to perform and
30:11
Speaker 5: produce and win was so on them that they were, well,
30:15
Speaker 5: we're gonna go with somebody else. We're gonna go with
30:17
Speaker 5: somebody else, We're gonna go with somebody else. So this
30:19
Speaker 5: year the commitment is like, okay to that patience, and
30:21
Speaker 5: I think it's still there. Maybe not as many at
30:25
Speaker 5: bats because Nolan Arnado's here. Not definitely not as many
30:28
Speaker 5: at bats for like a guy for a space because
30:30
Speaker 5: Wilson Canterreres is here. But it still can be. They
30:33
Speaker 5: can still be patient, they can still see. All right,
30:35
Speaker 5: Lars newpart, what do you do with all this playing time?
30:39
Speaker 5: You know you're not the next guy that we're gonna
30:41
Speaker 5: ship off and become an All star elsewhere. You're the
30:43
Speaker 5: guy who's gonna play here without the pressure of being
30:47
Speaker 5: in first place. Let's see what happens.
30:50
Speaker 2: Okay, So let let me give you my take here
30:52
Speaker 2: on Ronado because I want to get your thoughts on
30:55
Speaker 2: you know what the results of.
30:56
Speaker 1: This will be.
30:58
Speaker 2: Clearly you want to be with a team like Boston.
31:01
Speaker 2: That ain't happening. I mean, Bregman can't even get to
31:04
Speaker 2: third base in Boston with the Yankees. My guess is
31:08
Speaker 2: it was a quick phone call of them saying, yeah,
31:10
Speaker 2: maybe we'd take them, but we would have you take
31:12
Speaker 2: most of the money. That's not the point here. For
31:15
Speaker 2: Saint Louis, Houston seemed like a perfect fit. To me,
31:18
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm missing there. I mean, they're
31:20
Speaker 2: always a contender. So I would a be pissed off
31:24
Speaker 2: if I was the Cardinals and Houston was on the list.
31:27
Speaker 2: They figured out a trade, then he said no, and
31:30
Speaker 2: now the list is narrowed down to just really a
31:32
Speaker 2: few teams, because it did sound like Houston was on
31:34
Speaker 2: the list. And then, b do you think he's holding
31:38
Speaker 2: off because he thinks that maybe the Yankees will give
31:42
Speaker 2: in eventually and realize that they need more help at
31:45
Speaker 2: third base? He might only get one crack at, you know,
31:48
Speaker 2: waving the no trade clause to a team that he
31:50
Speaker 2: really wants to be on, say a top three team
31:52
Speaker 2: instead of a top five team for him, and just
31:54
Speaker 2: trying to comprehend where his head is at because is
31:58
Speaker 2: likely going to start the season on a team that
32:00
Speaker 2: doesn't want him here. It sounds like he's okay to
32:02
Speaker 2: leave and they're not going to be contenders.
32:06
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think I think they're all in
32:09
Speaker 5: a good spot as far as him being here to
32:11
Speaker 5: be candid, you know, I think that's part of it. Like,
32:13
Speaker 5: you know, as he walks out of the clubhouse here
32:15
Speaker 5: and off to the ballpark right there, you know, I
32:17
Speaker 5: think that's they're in a good spot with that. Just
32:20
Speaker 5: to your last point. But I don't really get the
32:22
Speaker 5: sense that he's trying to play chicken with the Yankees.
32:25
Speaker 5: You know, in a sense he's said, this is what
32:27
Speaker 5: I'm willing to leave Saint Louis for. These are the
32:29
Speaker 5: traits that I want in a team, whether those are
32:32
Speaker 5: definitely contending for a championship, going all in, whatever you
32:35
Speaker 5: want to do, or how he described the Yankees, that
32:37
Speaker 5: they're really pushing for that championship. That's how he put
32:40
Speaker 5: it yesterday and describing him. So that's part of the trades,
32:42
Speaker 5: but also is like, look, you got to look at
32:44
Speaker 5: it this too. I like the way you put that.
32:46
Speaker 5: They're like, Okay, if you're gonna wave the no trade
32:47
Speaker 5: clause for a second time in his career, you kind
32:50
Speaker 5: of want it to be the last time, right. You
32:52
Speaker 5: don't want to go to a spot where this is
32:54
Speaker 5: just the same conversation now for every three remaining years
32:58
Speaker 5: of the contract. You don't want to become the guy
33:01
Speaker 5: who's chasing after a championship while people move your contract around, either.
33:05
Speaker 5: So I think that that really limited his notion. He
33:07
Speaker 5: brought that up too, in the sense that he didn't
33:09
Speaker 5: want to move his family around running after the next
33:12
Speaker 5: best team to try to win a World Series with.
33:15
Speaker 5: He wanted to find a place where he could stay
33:18
Speaker 5: and do that, and so I think that's part of
33:19
Speaker 5: why that list is so limited. You know, there's also
33:22
Speaker 5: all of the things that go on with his contract.
33:24
Speaker 5: I think you think back to when the Cardinals made
33:27
Speaker 5: that trade and how that trade almost fell apart just
33:29
Speaker 5: because they were trying to defer money. They had to
33:32
Speaker 5: introduce a second opt out clause to give it the
33:34
Speaker 5: current day value. So, like, maintaining the current day value
33:37
Speaker 5: of that contract is so essential, and we saw teams
33:41
Speaker 5: just really reluctant to offer all kinds of contracts this year,
33:45
Speaker 5: and we see like, you know, deferred money here and
33:48
Speaker 5: backloaded there. And if you come to this trade and go, okay,
33:51
Speaker 5: well let's adjust this money to fit our current financial situation,
33:55
Speaker 5: then he has to say in that being uncomfortable as well,
33:59
Speaker 5: and that could be a reason why trade just doesn't
34:01
Speaker 5: come to fruition. So there's a lot of elements here,
34:03
Speaker 5: But I don't get the sense that, like the way
34:05
Speaker 5: you put a sky is really good. I think he
34:08
Speaker 5: has a few places that he's willing to leave this
34:11
Speaker 5: spot for He knows this place there is at least
34:14
Speaker 5: some vibe and you guys may have gotten it here,
34:16
Speaker 5: You may have gotten it here that maybe they could
34:19
Speaker 5: force the issue. You know, I was really interested in
34:22
Speaker 5: the fact that, like the front office has set the
34:24
Speaker 5: tone for the winder, and the players now get to
34:27
Speaker 5: decide is that really what they are? Is this really
34:30
Speaker 5: a transition? Is this really a rebuild? You know, the
34:33
Speaker 5: players take over from here, and you see Wilson Contreras here,
34:37
Speaker 5: you see Sonny Gray here. They're not really settling for that.
34:41
Speaker 5: And I'm really interested in seeing like what manifests on
34:45
Speaker 5: the field versus what manifests in the boardroom. And if
34:48
Speaker 5: arn I was around seeing that same thing and goes,
34:50
Speaker 5: all right, well, this place isn't that far away, or
34:54
Speaker 5: maybe they could cause a headache for a few things,
34:56
Speaker 5: And maybe he likes the opportunity here, or at least
34:59
Speaker 5: the level here, more than just the unknown of going somewhere.
35:03
Speaker 5: So I don't think it's that case where he's like
35:06
Speaker 5: trying to play chicken with the Yankees per se. But
35:08
Speaker 5: he's just being very selective. So he knows that when
35:10
Speaker 5: he makes this move, it is them move to a
35:14
Speaker 5: better spot to a better chance to win, and it's
35:16
Speaker 5: going to be the one that he closes out.
35:18
Speaker 1: His career with.
35:19
Speaker 3: It's the last one. Yeah, that's what it kind of
35:21
Speaker 3: feels like, Well, Sonny, we didn't really hear Sonny's name.
35:24
Speaker 3: He has that money, so you almost have to say,
35:27
Speaker 3: was there no talk about Sonny? Was there no interest?
35:30
Speaker 5: Was he shot it down? Like they went to him?
35:32
Speaker 5: So they told they had this press conference at the
35:34
Speaker 5: end of the year where they introduced the Reset, which
35:37
Speaker 5: has now been rebranded a transition. This is what goes on.
35:41
Speaker 5: But anyway, so they said all this out there, like
35:43
Speaker 5: this is where it is. And I asked, you know,
35:45
Speaker 5: like do you need to have some conversations with the
35:47
Speaker 5: guys who signed here specifically for the promise that you
35:51
Speaker 5: were going to contend every year? This is part of
35:53
Speaker 5: your brand. So when you sign a player for as
35:56
Speaker 5: a free agent, you get the notion that you get
35:57
Speaker 5: the history, you get the birds on the bat, and
35:59
Speaker 5: you get the knowledge that you're going to contend every year.
36:02
Speaker 5: That that's what you're selling. Now that you have these
36:05
Speaker 5: guys who you signed as free agents or Nolan Arnatto's case,
36:08
Speaker 5: traded where he was willing to do a lot to
36:11
Speaker 5: come here, you know, do you have to go to
36:13
Speaker 5: them and say, hey, look we're changing our brand and
36:16
Speaker 5: we recognize that we sold you on this brand. And
36:20
Speaker 5: Moseillic said, yes, he goes, those are conversations that have
36:22
Speaker 5: He goes, I'm gonna have them over the next two weeks.
36:24
Speaker 5: He had already had at least one of them and
36:27
Speaker 5: likely a few others. But he did go to those
36:30
Speaker 5: guys ask him like, do you want out? Do you
36:32
Speaker 5: want to be traded? He wants to find you a
36:34
Speaker 5: spot where would you like to go? And Wilson and
36:37
Speaker 5: Sonny both said I'd prefer to stay. You know, Wilson
36:42
Speaker 5: was willing. They were like, okay, but you're not gonna
36:44
Speaker 5: be catcher because we want these young guys to get
36:46
Speaker 5: and he was willing to move positions, not teams, and Sonny,
36:50
Speaker 5: you know, he made the point that he came to
36:53
Speaker 5: the Cardinals for a lot of reasons, not just the
36:56
Speaker 5: annual contention, the the proximity at home, the history, the
37:00
Speaker 5: people that he met, all those reasons, but he said
37:03
Speaker 5: also like I saw things that needed to be changed,
37:06
Speaker 5: that needed to be updated here, that needed to be
37:08
Speaker 5: like radically reimagined. Or rethought and they're gonna do that.
37:13
Speaker 5: So I could be a part of seeing that through.
37:16
Speaker 5: And so that's part of the reason why is I mean,
37:18
Speaker 5: the GM meetings, it was like clear right then, you know, Sonny,
37:22
Speaker 5: the word I was told by multiple people was his
37:24
Speaker 5: preferences to stay, and the Cardinals respected that.
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Speaker 3: That's awesome.
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Speaker 5: I love it, appreciate Yeah, thank you guys.