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Sister Wives S6 E10 - Polygamist Marriage Therapy - Part 2 · My Sister Wives Podcast

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What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
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Goodbye. You.
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Shut it off. Do not twist my words.
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Do not. Make me a victim, sweetie.
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Just look at the mountain. That's what you saw that day.
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Just the knife in the kidneys over all these years and the
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sacrifices that I made to love
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Welcome back ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, to
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Part 2 of Season 6, Episode 10
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Marriage Therapy. For those of you fortunate
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enough to join us for Part 1, you know everything that
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happened in this episode. You have been riveted by every
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moment, including Pat's black hair, our missing of Mona.
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Ants crawling up thighs. Meditation circles.
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And Janelle wearing a red blouse.
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Unfortunately, Kody being correct, yeah, that's.
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Yeah, us not hating on Kody for a time or two, and that might
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even continue in this part too.
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So brace yourself, take some Imodium, you know, take that
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Dramamine, whatever you got to do.
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Car over Do not drive during this episode.
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Do not drive a vehicle during this episode.
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Please. It's like the medication bottle
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with the winking eye. That's like, do not operate
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heavy machinery while listening to this podcast because we are
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I know. Just stay with us.
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Stay with us. We're going to hit them by the
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We are gathered here today at the retreat to continue our
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therapy in this journey. We're gathered in the morning.
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Robyn is missing and Kody gives us the news that Robyn isn't
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feeling well. She's feeling nauseous this
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morning. Yeah, she is not coming.
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So she's going to stay in bed today and I was so disappointed.
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believed it too. I thought for sure Robyn isn't
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feeling well and it couldn't be that she doesn't trust the
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therapist and that she's actually going to have to self
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analyze or someone else might give her some sort of feedback
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or something to reflect on. It couldn't be that she's
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pretending it's April Fool's Day
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Oh, do you think she. Might be pretending to be having
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morning sickness. Why would Kody use the word
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nauseous? It's an odd word to use on just
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a regular morning waking up if
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you aren't pregante. Yeah, well.
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I don't know. Maybe she's trying to start
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rumors in her own family that she is knocked up.
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It would. She's manipulative.
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This is it. It would actually fall in line
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with who she is so. It really would.
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Listen, I'm going to put a lot
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theory and I'm going to believe it.
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She's planting the seed that she's preggers here in the
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middle of Season 6. And you heard it here first,
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this breaking news from 10 years
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Tinfoil hat on baby. I have a double lined tinfoil
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hat on, but it's probably not that far off.
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Yeah, and that tin hat's for everyone's safety.
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Yeah, it really is. Nancy tells us that her plan for
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that day was for all five of them.
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Of course. Hello, I was planning on your
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entire family being here for this marriage retreat, so I
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guess we'll have to take a shift
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She gives a little heads up that
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to be able to get wet. Interesting.
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All right. OK.
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Yes, it's true. Oh my God, We get to some sort
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of valley between these red rocks and we meet with somebody
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named Joseph Whitewolf, and he
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We find out on his lower third.
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And a truly amazing man, according to the male meditation
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White Wolf is a truly amazing man, and at this point, we'll
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just have to take his word for it.
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We'll see if it's true or not.
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true. Oh yes, it took because no time.
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As we are walking through this
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it jumps and Joseph steps next
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grasshopper? He steps by it again and it
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jumps. He says when they jump, look,
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they turn around, they face you.
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What they are teaching us is to face our fears.
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That's a truly beautiful gift. Let's continue.
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Let's continue. I love it, He.
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Takes I love this guy. I know I love it.
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He takes this pause. Let's continue.
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And I literally laughed out loud because everyone's probably just
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around. Here we are, darting eyes and
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following the Joseph White Wolf, who is, I guess, to quote Kody,
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a hippie. He's got his hippie dippie look
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and his weird hat and his weird eyebrows and his weird face.
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See, I, you know, I tear them apart for saying weird.
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And then I realized how many times I say weird.
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So I should start saying word because that's a little bit
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more, it's a little bit more on brand for my Sister Wives
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podcast. I like this guy.
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You know what I get? I get good vibes from this guy.
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I totally do.
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You feel it. I wouldn't go to toe to toe with
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a grasshopper just to learn a lesson personally, but I am
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loving this guy. We get a quote from Kody.
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And it starts out, I, I have to say it starts out, listen, man,
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which I love. I love it because this is what's
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so good about Kody when he's on and he's, you know, we're
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supposed to hate him and we're
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He takes on the vibes of the vibes he's getting.
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This is so it. He's such a performer that he's
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like, listen man, you know, I'm in one of the most out there
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religions you can imagine. So if people seem like hippies
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to me, I'm tolerant of that. I'm from a weird religion.
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It's like, OK, Kody Bow. He says if they're really
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earthy. Oh.
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He calls hippies really earthy.
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Yeah, I mean. You know, Billy Bob Thornton, I
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mean, Joseph White Wolf is very earthy.
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He gets inspiration from the grasshopper jumping.
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It's like the Willow tree from Pocahontas.
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See, we're so full of Disney references today, it's
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disgusting. It is I I like this guy.
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I'm here for it. And at this moment, in front of
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the Willow tree, Pat tells us that she is leaving.
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Her time with the Browns is done.
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But she also lets us know that her time with the Browns was a
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that would use the word delicious to describe their time
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with clients, patients. Excuse me, I just.
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I don't use delicious much except for when I'm describing
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my own body parts. A red apple.
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I use it when I'm describing a
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When I'm trying to convince somebody to take a bite of a
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delicious red poisoned apple. We are back in a Disney movie.
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We've got to end this now. We've got to end this now.
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We're going to get our episode's
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YouTube. Too many Disney references.
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Oh no, can't do that OOP. OOP and I just got this amazing
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visual stimulation of a Disney
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experience. Oh God.
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While I was recovering from the delicious experience, my eyes
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opened and I saw Pat with her teal earrings and her teal
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necklace or top. There was a lot of teal and I
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thought Pat is a hippie herself and how appropriate for Sedona.
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See, she might look a little bit
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the Orphan Annie Orphanage woman or Lyle Lovett or whoever.
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But she was wearing that turquoise jewelry and she was
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rocking it as any lesbian looking Sedona dweller would.
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And she's going to leave us with
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Well, not us, Nancy. Yeah, Nancy.
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Nancy is going to get this parting advice and it's to be
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open. And to listen, to be open and to
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listen, I thought, you know, that's some great advice from
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one therapist to another. Right.
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You are these people, Mona. Save us from these people.
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Please Mona, this turquoise lady
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She totally is. Your spiritual crystal nipple
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tassels over this fake imposter with her turquoise earrings.
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At this point, Mona definitely
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polygamist family in solving their problems than Pat.
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Oh my gosh, she. Does. 100 for real.
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Pat, if you're listening, you're
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out. Allegedly.
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Thank you for putting allegedly.
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I was going to say legal is going to RIP me a new one.
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Meri says that it felt like a final goodbye with her leaving.
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It just felt like such a goodbye
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moment. Yeah, they're closing a chapter
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in their history. We don't get any more special
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moments with Joseph White Wolf.
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This is it. We're introduced to him and as
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I like this guy. I liked him a lot.
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Why couldn't we have more of him?
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I did. It's like that guy from Nauvoo.
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We got a lot of him.
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Yeah, Joseph, Another Joseph. What's with these?
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Joseph's tour, Remember Joseph's
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Yeah, and now we've got Joseph
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grasshopper for two seconds and then leaves and I'm going why
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are we wearing the shoes that need to get wet?
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I'm just. Mind bending moment.
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They're in a Creek bed. Oh, they're OK.
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They're in a valley with a Creek
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something's happening there that
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Yeah, it's moist. Yeah.
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Damp where they're going, damp
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Damp and. Dark, just like the side of the
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necklace of Christine that she
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Oh, that Christine. Poor Christine.
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Nancy asks if everyone would be comfortable doing individual
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sessions. So we start the next segment
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with these individual sessions
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with Janelle first. Nancy's asking Janelle tough
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questions, and one of the first questions she asks is how she's
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fitting into the family. And Janelle says I'm not going
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anywhere. But I also don't feel like I fit
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in anymore. I don't know where I fit in.
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Nancy asks if she's honest with everyone in the family, and
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Janelle says that she is honest with Kody and Christine, but
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not with Robyn and Meri. Yeah, she says it's taken her
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years to get used to Meri's personality, which I thought was
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an interesting way to phrase that, to get used to her
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personality. You know something?
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She's still getting used. To still working on it she.
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Says she also referenced how her
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And I think that when I hear her
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reference to how since moving out of Lehigh and they've had
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this separation and they've gotten even more independent
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from each other. That's always aligned with her
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knack like who she is. And so to have this kind of OK
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for two years, she probably has experienced, I don't want to
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say more change than everyone else, but she's probably slid
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into it more comfortably than everyone else as far as the
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daily and her nest, her vibes.
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realized that she has her own voice.
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She doesn't have to be wife #2.
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And she uses that voice later in this episode, which I love.
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So she is definitely finding more of her voice.
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I love that. Then we're going to go to Meri's
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going to be the hardest part for you in all of this?
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When we get a cop out answer as per usual for Meri, Meri says
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the hardest part is to trust that everyone wants to work on
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Right. It's a cheap cop out answer, but
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individual sessions, it's weird because this scene, when they
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teed it up, I thought, well, we're going to have some real
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intense moments with everyone and it quickly just speeds up
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into just cuts of everyone talking.
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So that's a bit disappointing. Well, you know, par for the
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course with this show. It goes back and forth, kind of.
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they give us a couple of wives
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question. They might go back to another
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wife and then another one. So we are going to cut between
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each of these individual sessions maybe more than once,
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just so you know. And our next sound bite comes
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from Kody. Kody says each one of my wives
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wants to work out a relationship
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same with them. I'm not sure they want to work
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on a relationship with each other.
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Yes, which is opening up this theme that we're going to have
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for the rest of the episode and is a theme for the show as well
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as we move forward is that he's starting to emphasize now y'all
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are what we talked about it earlier, how he's in the middle
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and the navigation and he can't manage everything.
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He's really going to start making this push of them having
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relationships with each other.
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Yep. Once again, where are we going
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to fault Kody on this? Because it makes sense.
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And I just want to go Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding instead
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of don't, don't, don't Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding.
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Kody, you hit the nail on the head.
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Finally, fucking finally, finally, finally.
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But you're saying it in front of
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wives right now. Oh, yeah.
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This is the individual session.
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Honey. Honey.
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Honey, and I'm sure I didn't do it justice in the way that he
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said it. It was probably annoying and you
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All right, brace yourselves. Brace yourselves.
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It's not going to be the last time that we're going to Ding,
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brace yourselves because the next loser we hear from is
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Robyn. Well, that too, yeah.
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Next we hear from Robyn. Don, Don, Don.
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When Robyn, she chose plural marriage for a reason, she chose
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closer at the cul-de-sac, we can all choose to do our own thing.
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Not sure where she was going
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with that. Did did you get anything out of
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that? She mentions something we've
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never heard before. I was in a monogamous
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relationship before this one. Oh God, I.
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Chose this for a reason. Oh no.
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I was in a monogamous relationship before this one.
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We could all just be separate,
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Oh my Lord, my God, Nancy asks
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mission statement, of course, because this has been so
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fundamental to their therapy At this point.
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Is talking about the mission statement OK?
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And Christine volunteers that she doesn't know if the family's
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just afraid to start. But we really need to put it
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down on paper. And I had a pause here because
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I'm going, Christine, what do you mean you're afraid to start?
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I feel as though we have watched
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of brainstorming about the mission statement, and they
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didn't go anywhere. So how is it that you could feel
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that they're afraid to start? You've already had two failed
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starts. I think that might be what she's
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referencing, but she doesn't know how to say it.
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She doesn't know how to say. They've been meaningless
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conversations. They've been superficial
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conversations. They haven't gone anywhere.
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Right, because less than a minute later, she does clarify
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that the family has met multiple
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accomplish anything. But unfortunately, she starts
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with this statement that makes
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nothing and everyone's afraid.
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just not the case. You're just trying to lead 20
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plus people in a conversation most of them don't want to have.
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What I would say is they should have started this by coming up
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with AQ and a worksheet for the children and all the children
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handed them in and then the adults got together and the
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adults took the common themes from the children so that the
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children felt included. But the adults implement it
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because the adults are in charge
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Children don't need to be a part
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In a way you want them to feel
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that they are looking to for answers.
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And when you start asking your
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complicated. Well, tying, you know, doing a
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direct tie to mission statements
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workplace, you might send out a survey and get people's
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information. Then leadership comes together,
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navigate, figures out how they want to navigate discussions,
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pulls out the points they want to basically manipulate their
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employees with. So I guess in this family that
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back in to, you know, hammer out details and get their
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suggestions and to make it all a beautiful thing that you can put
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What a novel idea. Yeah, what a novel idea.
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Yeah, these people, they couldn't.
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Oh, these people. Oh, these people.
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This same question is posed to everyone in the family.
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So we get clips billion of their solo situations with Nancy.
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Next we're going to go to Janelle.
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We all know how Janelle feels about this family mission
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statement. Janelle says she loves it.
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Sure thinks it's drama. Drama.
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I've Pooh poohed this mission statement thing because I think
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it's drama. Also, to quote Leon, we're a
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family, we're not a business. Yes, we just said this is how
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you would run a business. Yeah.
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Leon, are you right too in this episode?
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What the fuck is are we in Kansas anymore?
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Oh God, Dorothy, I don't know. Do I need to click my heels?
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Let's hope a house falls on Robyn.
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Kody is next to answer this question about the family
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mission statement. And Kody says when they were new
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mission statement as a way to lead to a plan for a
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recommitment of the family. That they all brought their own
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baggage to the family when they started their family and they
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have hurdles to overcome. But their new homes on the
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cul-de-sac are almost like a signifier of their recommitment.
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I'd be going, OK, let me so. These new homes are fixing your
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family again. Again.
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I'd be like, could you draw me a
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So when you started your family,
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and you kind of got over it, but
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have new homes on a cul-de-sac.
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So this is going to solve your problems and you're doing a
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mission statement. Now your baggage is just
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separated between bigger homes and a bigger cul.
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De SAC Yeah, Oh my God. And the house didn't land on
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Robyn and we're all disappointed in his cul-de-sac.
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I'm literally speechless about Kody's response in the same
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episode where we're giving him all this praise.
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He's giving word salad responses that are absolutely ridiculous
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responded to him. But unfortunately, we get a
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quick cut over to Mayor going to Meri, and Meri says she's afraid
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afraid to say it too much, she says she gets upset and says
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she's afraid to overstep her bounds when it comes to
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communicating with the other family members.
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Because of their history. She figured out that Janelle was
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can't share my feelings with Janelle because she's not safe.
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She's going to plug my wet bar
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up. I can't share my feelings
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anymore. I can't risk my wet bar.
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This is the thing with Meri, the
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afraid to say too much. She doesn't want to hurt
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people's feelings, She doesn't
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her bounds. And I'm going, I think every
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episode we see you overstepping your bounds and saying things
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that upset people. So I don't know, do you identify
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with what you, I shouldn't say
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Pretends though when she says things she's sarcastic like oh I
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didn't know I would be taking up
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was taking away from otherwise.
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You know she says things sarcastically so she's not
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outright saying it. Oh, OK, OK.
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Instead of saying I was taking from your budget, you thought I
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was taking from your budget. She pretends and says I didn't
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That is a literal example or yeah, she takes a porch of like
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I'm sorry if you felt that way Janelle, that I would take
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something that was yours Yes like well, way to put it on her
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as opposed to just saying, oh, I if This is why I don't believe
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Nice. She should have been raised in
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Yeah, she should have been from the Midwest.
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I'd say you're welcome here, but I don't know how everyone else
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She's afraid of overstepping her bounds.
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What we're going to harken back to here is she was told she was
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abusive towards Janelle. She had been told that she had
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marriage. So she's too scared to say
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anything now, even if it might
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I want to say just because her
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abusive, even if it was on the
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before, it doesn't mean that she
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her own opinion now. OK.
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So you can do something wrong in
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going to forgive you and tell you that they are going to move
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on from it, then they need to be
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and take your opinion for what
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Does that make sense? It does make sense you.
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Can't discredit her now if you
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the past. Well, what I'm curious about is
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the moving on from the past. I don't think they have.
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I don't. Clearly they haven't overall as
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a family in many ways, but I don't think that Janelle has
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specifically forgiven her or that they've even really
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discussed anything in a mature
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that phase of their early marriage.
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So they still need to address the past before they can address
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the future. That's why she's feeling
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uncomfortable speaking her mind and now, because if they had
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already buried the the past, like they buried Drake, like
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they buried Ally, like they buried the cooler, like they
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burned the bag, they would probably be able to share their
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opinions freely. There's also something about
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Meri with I pick up this, oh God, I pick up this thing about
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extremes with her. You know, it's almost, when it
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comes to examples, it's she can't reference something that's
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relatable to the situation. Her saying that you know, she's
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too afraid walking on egg shells
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like that seems so extreme compared to what your actual
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behaviors are like. You might be filtering yourself
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and you might not be explaining things correct in a way that
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you would like to or that you feel comfortable with.
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But I guess I'm struggling with how to put this into words.
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There's something about Meri. She doesn't have gel up in her
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hair, making AC wave out of her bank.
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She's got her own unique hairstyle, as we know.
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There's just something about the
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operates from extremes when rationalizing or giving examples
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or something. It's hot or cold.
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She's this and I'm going, are you?
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And then it goes, and then I'm, well, I guess she is.
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But my God, you're also the complete opposite, so I don't
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know. I wish you would give an
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example. I wish she would say in the past
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I did this and it was seen as too much.
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So now I'm scared to do this because it might be seen as too
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much. But then she'll do something
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that's very paralleled or sister
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And I go. But Meri, you're too much.
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Because she hasn't learned. Because they've never actually
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really addressed it. They've never brought up a true
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example, and they've never addressed the original example
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in quotations. They've never addressed it.
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Right. Their therapist for five years,
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who was the polygamy expert who knew nothing about polygamy,
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says that they've moved on and
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know they haven't at all. So it's all a shroud of lies.
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Honestly, it's frustrating because for five years you're
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telling me you didn't address any of this?
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I don't believe it. I believe they had to have
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discussed some of this and they're skirting over it for the
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show. Again, I don't know.
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Yeah, there's something phony baloney about it all, but don't
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worry, everyone. As we start day three of our
26:18
marriage retreat, we get Robyn
26:23
Robyn is feeling better, her morning sickness is over.
26:26
She's decided to keep the baby
26:32
Forward. Oh, that was terrible, Chris.
26:36
Oh, God. I'm sorry, everybody.
26:37
You know, this is a crass podcast.
26:38
Why am I apologizing? No, no, no, Nancy says that they
26:42
are going to use their bodies,
26:46
their own bodies and they are going to go close to how they
26:50
feel to Kody now with where they
26:56
And this is a little odd. It's not explained very well.
27:02
Let me try that one, honey. Everyone's outside with Nancy on
27:06
the morning of day three and they're going to sculpt where
27:09
they are in relationship to each
27:12
So with their bodies, right, They're going to take up the
27:15
space on this patio in alignment, closeness, distance,
27:21
arrangement with each other based on how they feel about
27:24
their relationships. They're not going to modge podge
27:26
newspaper over each other's naked bodies, which is what I
27:30
was hoping for when I saw this
27:33
I thought you were talking about
27:36
you know, But I was. Hoping they were going to take
27:37
strips of newspaper with Modge
27:42
other's bodies. That would have been great.
27:44
I would have loved to seen Janelle's.
27:47
So the first part of this activity, they're going to be
27:49
doing their sculpting of their
27:53
are to each other, and Nancy's
27:57
going to do where they would like to be to each other.
28:01
What I do like about this exercise is that it is tactile,
28:05
it is visual, it's in the space,
28:10
address how things are now and
28:13
These are some things emphasized
28:17
never actually had to do this, so I don't know what it would
28:19
be like in person to do. I'll explain it in a way that
28:22
people that have done this before, OK, It's so in relation
28:26
to each other. How are you feeling?
28:30
It reminds me of an exercise that you would do in an
28:33
auditorium, perhaps in theater
28:36
Stand on this side if you believe in this.
28:38
Stand on this side of the theater if you believe in this.
28:42
And where in the middle of the
28:45
line of you believe in this or
28:47
OK. And Kody kind of becomes the
28:52
middle just out of default I feel.
28:56
Like, he doesn't even move at all in the entire exercise.
28:58
He does not. I think he just stands in one
29:00
place. Yeah, which is telling in and of
29:02
itself. So they're like planets orbiting
29:03
around Kody and where you think you fall in relation to Kody.
29:07
Absolutely. And Meri stands by Robyn and
29:15
they kind of are giggling and they start holding hands.
29:19
And Robyn is, of course, right
29:22
So you've got Kody, Robyn, Meri holding Robyn's hand.
29:28
Janelle says. I don't know.
29:33
And Janelle goes out and kind of
29:38
feet, and then Christine is like, I don't know.
29:44
And she goes behind Kody's back but turns around and faces away
29:48
from him. So they're back-to-back.
29:50
Well, and what I would note about the way that they're
29:53
aligned is, as you said, Meri's on the other side of Robyn from
29:57
Kody, obviously very telling as we've watched their
30:00
relationship, you know, unfurl
30:03
Janelle, I, I would say she's like arm's length away from Kody
30:06
as as you were saying, she's a
30:08
same place. She's I'm right in front of you
30:11
to the left. You can see me.
30:13
I'm right here. She's not next to him like maybe
30:15
a spouse would be, but she's right there.
30:18
The thing about Christine that
30:21
that she seemed uncomfortable and she kept moving.
30:26
She never really stayed in one
30:28
She was behind him, she was in
30:30
She was navigating the entire scape of what was happening.
30:34
She was like an asteroid floating between the planets,
30:36
not knowing where she belonged.
30:38
Yeah, she definitely looked like she didn't know where to go at
30:44
exercise, there's a voice over that I thought was very
30:47
interesting from Kody referencing Nancy as a crazy
30:51
lady and aggressive. And I'm going, I'm not sure how
30:55
you get that from being teed up this exercise because it didn't
30:58
seem to me like crazy or aggressive, but OK.
31:00
And then we get a voice over from Janelle as well where she
31:12
OK, interesting. Robyn says she almost stood up
31:21
Yeah. Weaponizing therapy speech,
31:25
which is what they probably got out of their time with pat of
31:29
that five years. All they got was some talking
31:32
points, therapy speak to use against each other.
31:34
Robyn to say it's not safe. Nothing safe I need.
31:36
To get out of this. I don't feel safe right now.
31:38
Yeah, all of this is happening while Christine continues to
31:41
look unsettled, while she's just navigating the space of her
31:46
sister wives and husband. She keeps moving around from
31:49
space to peace, and she goes, I don't know where to go.
31:52
And then they go to a couch moment.
31:55
And on the couch, Christine says she doesn't even want to talk
32:00
about this part of the therapy. She didn't like it.
32:03
It was the worst part of the trip for her.
32:06
And that's not really addressed too in depthly after this, but
32:12
It was it was very kind of, this is a moment.
32:14
And then we go back to this patio, terror space, whatever.
32:21
to make this more comfortable in the future, ushering in the
32:25
Part 2 of this exercise. And they all kind of move, and
32:32
shuffling into a somewhat semicircle.
32:33
And then they all join hands in the middle of the circle as if
32:43
But instead they're just, you know, touching hands.
32:46
Being a family in a circle, I guess.
32:49
Robyn tells us that all the relationships are equal.
32:53
But they drag Kody into the middle of their relationships,
33:03
Nancy says we need to deal directly with one person in a
33:08
relationship. So a relationship is between two
33:17
the middle and not managing your relationship through
33:20
another person. When she talked about managing
33:28
whole show is that Robyn's the one that can speak Kody, quote,
33:31
UN quote, and she's the one navigating Meri and Kody's
33:35
choppy waters. She's his mouthpiece.
33:37
Yeah, completely inappropriate. Kody talks about how if he's in
33:42
the middle, then he becomes their sole focus and they can't
33:46
have real relationships with each other.
33:48
So a follow up to what we brought up earlier.
33:51
Yeah, Christine asks why wouldn't you be in the middle,
33:57
I'm the sole focus and your connection with each other has
34:04
Here's the thing, we're not truly a family unless upon my
34:10
death, you stay a family. God, Kody.
34:16
And Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding.
34:17
I know. And this is just another example
34:23
While he is correct, I am watching the TV and he is
34:29
standing in an authoritarian stance and all the wives are
34:33
around him listening to him declare this statement about how
34:40
And it's weird because it's I agree with him.
34:44
I mean, a family, a family does need to survive a death in the
34:50
you're a family, you would survive a death in the family.
35:01
talking at everyone as if they're just supposed to listen
35:03
to your word from high above. And so that gives me the ick
35:05
factor. I get where you're coming from.
35:09
I'm thinking of it from the point of view from the religion
35:14
here, OK, which is that in the
35:20
the family remains and they're
35:24
they were. So the family cannot fall apart
35:30
just because he is gone, right?
35:32
Which we've seen in Kody's dad's relationships.
35:34
I don't know when Kody's dad passes, if he passes during the
35:39
show, but they show some of the wives saying their relationships
35:45
So now they're just best friends living like The Golden Girls.
35:51
That's what I imagine sister wives should be.
35:55
If a husband passes is a golden girls vibe.
35:59
But that's not the reality. When you get into this religion,
36:11
So he's being so idealistic here.
36:15
He's separated himself from the core of their fundamentalist
36:21
Mormon religion, and I feel they are so lost right now.
36:28
They don't remember why they're polygamists.
36:31
Yeah, there is something about that with you're on to something
36:40
eternal Kingdom together. And yet there is something about
36:48
a surrogate husband comes in or is like assigned by the
36:52
spiritual leaders. Because another prophet needs to
36:59
where that starts and ends because is it about if they have
37:04
Because at some point that doesn't happen.
37:06
Let's say they're old enough, they're in their 60s or 70s.
37:10
About to pasture. They're not going to be able to
37:13
reproduce and whatever, so we don't care anymore.
37:15
But what happens if you're in your 40s and husband dies?
37:18
Are you reassigned a husband? Because then who's in the
37:21
eternal Kingdom? I mean, it doesn't make any
37:24
sense. It is weird and that's where it
37:26
gets complicated and that's where they don't even understand
37:36
the church few years ago. They're so discombobulated as a
37:41
family. He's trying to tell them now, if
37:47
Don't you ever find another husband?
37:50
Don't you be happy again without anyone but each other.
37:53
You are each other's family and I cannot be the common
37:57
denominator because if I am not here, where do your
38:01
relationships stand with each other?
38:03
I'm on his side when I'm thinking of it from his
38:07
religion. And this is where I'm like Ding,
38:12
up your own relationships. I can't be the go between
38:15
between you guys all of the time.
38:17
It's not healthy for what we're trying to do here.
38:22
What they're trying to do seems to me to be some sort of
38:28
offshoot cult that's new and experimental, and now they're
38:31
bringing new and experimental therapists into it.
38:34
They don't know what the fuck they're doing anymore.
38:38
They. Clearly do not know because I
38:40
love that that's your take. I shouldn't say I love that
38:43
that's your take away as if we differ so much.
38:44
But I'm thinking that Kody is expressing his own selfish want
38:48
to not be in the middle of shit anymore.
38:50
It's just too much. He doesn't want to deal with it.
38:56
of part of the reason that he's saying this is because when he
38:59
hears a therapist saying you need to have healthy
39:01
relationships with each other and no one can be in the middle,
39:04
he agrees with that on some level because maybe he does want
39:06
them to have healthy relationships with each other.
39:09
But also he talks about how he's
39:13
He's the one that everybody comes to and he's got a blah,
39:15
blah, blah, blah. And and maybe not a selfish.
39:18
Be easier for. Him but it be easier like y'all
39:21
need to figure your shit out and
39:23
with each other. It's funny how I lose track of
39:26
the faith quote UN quote the cult, the lens of this because
39:30
it's just so not emphasized. They've lost track.
39:33
Of it they literally have. Yes, thank you for reminding
39:37
them. Oh, if only you had been there
39:39
in person, honey, to remind them
39:43
Sometimes I just wish I would have been able to get into their
39:46
heads like Jesus. More astral projection.
39:51
Well, Christine says that this
39:54
conversation, which of course,
39:58
probably not, but OK. And this gives Kody an
40:02
opportunity to have a long, long, long thing to say.
40:06
Honey, do you do you feel like
40:10
here? Yeah, I'm a little mixed bag.
40:13
But if I wasn't in the picture, would this picture stay?
40:19
I can't sit and be the only common denominator and only the
40:25
common denominator. The relationships for each of
40:30
you need to be strengthened as
40:34
And then he poses the question, do you have relationships with
40:38
each other? Which I do like that he
40:41
challenges them because that's
40:46
And rather than just stating it,
40:49
authoritarian stance where I feel like he's always telling
40:51
them how it's supposed to be. I was talking at them.
40:54
At least he's teeing it up with a question.
40:55
And even though it might be a bit combative, is at least
40:57
asking a fucking question to make them think.
41:00
And the only thing I would correct about what you said,
41:02
honey, is that he says picture, not picture.
41:05
Remember, they're from Utah. So it's a picture as if it's
41:08
they're pouring out water. It's not a picture with this
41:12
picture stay. It's with this picture stay.
41:17
You're correct. You know, I don't want to tear
41:19
anybody apart, but it is a picture, not a picture, Yes.
41:24
Christine admits It's kind of an
41:30
Yeah, yeah, because I need it kind of basis pick and choose
41:36
when I need my sister wives. Yeah, she interacts with Janelle
41:39
more than with the others because of their shared
41:42
connection with the kids and their history of, you know,
41:46
really Janelle going to work and
41:50
Janelle's children. I think outside of that and
41:53
Christine volunteers that she's not as close with Meri and
41:56
Robyn, which we were all surprised to hear.
41:58
No, but at least she's saying it.
42:00
Based on where they stood in the
42:03
bodies, that visual stimulation really told me all I needed to
42:09
know, Meri says. I'm completely in a different
42:14
place than anybody else. And without a fucking beat,
42:19
there is not even a chance to take a breath.
42:22
Kody says. But that doesn't separate you
42:24
from the family if you choose to
42:27
So I was like, oh, OK, So Kody
42:31
Kody has thought about this. I think he's sick of her.
42:34
Shit, he's sick of her shit. You can choose to have
42:36
relationships with each of your sister wives independent of me.
42:39
And that's my point. Once again, a little Ding Ding,
42:43
Ding, Ding, Ding for Kody because God, why do we have to
42:47
give Kody any points here? Meri, you are proving the point
42:51
that he's trying to make. So I'm going to be Meri, but I
42:54
do. Kody responds.
42:57
Is it a good relationship? Do you like it?
43:00
In some cases, yes. What's it?
43:06
I don't even know how to adequately explain these merry
43:08
situations and scenarios and things, she says.
43:11
You're standing in front of your
43:13
cases it feels passive aggressive and weird.
43:16
I like some of you, but not all of you.
43:17
And yes, I'm willing to declare it.
43:19
Yeah, but yet I'm unwilling to
43:23
scared. She's so full of shit.
43:26
Walking on egg shells, but I'm
43:29
Yeah, I just whatever. She's so hot and cold.
43:33
Oh, but don't worry everyone, we're going to get some
43:35
clarification from our family.
43:40
Yes. Yes.
43:41
She speaks Kody, she speaks Meri.
43:44
She doesn't speak Christine and Janelle so well, but she
43:46
definitely speaks Kody and some Meri.
43:49
And Robyn says we have our times
43:54
Sync, and those are magical times.
43:59
Magical. Time Magical.
44:02
Magical darling. Just when I thought she couldn't
44:09
Well, Kody's going to just do what he does best here and lead
44:14
them all to their salvation because he's the prophet of the
44:17
family. This is it.
44:19
Usher in his authoritarian vibes once again.
44:20
This is why I can never be Team Kody.
44:22
Kody wants them all to put their arms around each other, put
44:28
their foreheads together, touch those sweaty, greasy ass
44:34
foreheads together and everybody is connected.
44:38
And in this position, everyone is truly connected, he says.
44:44
And I'm like, like a basketball team that's rallying before
44:49
needing the last point and they're all sweaty and getting
44:57
Kody? As they migrate together for
44:59
this circle slash forehead touching moment, there's a
45:02
voiceover from Meri, or if she's on the couch, one of the two.
45:06
I don't know. At this point, I'm experiencing
45:08
some amnesia and she says our circle is strong, but sometimes
45:12
it breaks apart but it comes back together.
45:16
We just need to be strong. As she starts getting emotional
45:21
and I'm. It's just what?
45:24
OK. Yeah, sure.
45:25
Thanks, Mayor. More useless garbage.
45:28
While Kody is leading them into this position of strength, as
45:32
you talked about. And each of them is connected to
45:42
They're just like, I'm the
45:44
therapist, this is the exercise I'm leading.
45:46
And Kody has taken over to guide
45:50
circled forehead touching moment.
45:52
Prayer, prayer circle, whatever you would call it.
45:56
And Nancy asks, is this what everyone wants?
46:00
And Kody says that's our goal.
46:06
Thanks, Kody. One of my other worst nightmare
46:08
is touching greasy foreheads with other people.
46:13
Oh, I love touching my greasy forehead to another man's greasy
46:15
forehead. Nothing makes me feel closer to
46:19
my authoritarian figure of the
46:24
It's the last day of the retreat
46:28
patio and we have some blocks laid out on a table.
46:35
Wooden. Blocks.
46:36
Yes, they are painted on with black chalk paint, we are told
46:43
by Nancy, and each person is going to take three or four
46:49
blocks and use some chalk and write a word that they really
46:54
want on the family mission statement.
46:57
One word per block is what the
47:00
Some of the blocks had more than
47:01
And I thought, y'all can't follow directions to save your
47:03
life. But then I gave them a pass
47:04
because this is therapy. It's a safe space.
47:07
Is it? Well, we do find out that this
47:11
is an exercise that I think is
47:14
entire episode, I would assume.
47:15
At least that's what we said when we were watching it.
47:17
We were like, you know, this one isn't so bad.
47:20
Yeah. Some examples of the words that
47:22
were being tossed out by people.
47:25
Faith, love, forgiveness and in my head I went Robyn lol OL
47:31
forgiveness for that hussy and
47:35
shame she has brought in this family.
47:37
Well, really, it's the debt, but
47:40
Compassion is another word that.
47:42
Compassion. Applied to her, yes, peace and
47:51
safety. It's like, you know, those are
47:54
family that you'd like to have is peace and safety.
47:57
Well, I don't know about peace, but safety.
48:00
The main word Christine says this one needs to be on the
48:07
biggest block is family. Well, she really loves that
48:12
HomeGoods Hobby Lobby word art, so it really fits.
48:15
This is totally Hobby Lobby word art vibes.
48:17
By the way. You can sell each of these
48:20
pieces from $0.99 to 499 based on the size, and Christine would
48:28
it fits in her mind. Mckelty would come up and just
48:39
therapy ever in a voiceover. She's like, this is the best
48:43
therapy that we have ever had, these blocks.
48:46
And as you said, the family is going to go in the middle of
48:50
where they're going to be placing these blocks.
48:52
And, you know, that makes sense, especially from a retail
48:55
standpoint if you're Hobby Lobby aficionado.
48:57
And then they're going to start placing the other blocks around
49:01
the center block while discussing where they should go.
49:06
going to take us is where do these words belong in our family
49:10
hodgepodge of wooden blocks. The most important to go close
49:14
to the family and then the supporting words to go out
49:18
around the outside. I can see it now, and Meri's not
49:22
liking what she can see as they're putting them down.
49:25
They get to a point where most
49:28
there's a significant number of them.
49:30
Everyone's been kind of placing what they think, oh, saying
49:33
things, blah, blah, blah, yadda,
49:35
And we've got Meri once again standing over everyone watching
49:38
what people are doing and maybe not providing direction, but
49:42
clarifying for everyone. It's really lopsided.
49:46
That is really lopsided. And Janelle says it doesn't have
49:49
to be balanced. And Meri says, well, we should
49:52
be balanced. It's like, OK, all right, once
49:55
again, here we go, Janelle and
49:57
Janelle and Meri. Janelle picks a giant wedgie,
50:00
and she says it's a brainstorm.
50:03
It doesn't need to be artwork. And in case you missed that
50:09
little detail, Janelle picks a wedgie.
50:12
Literally. It's so funny 'cause as she's
50:14
speaking, she's Why do you? Do this to her.
50:17
I don't know. They do her dirty so many times.
50:23
and they're going to show her dirty dogs later on again.
50:29
They could have certainly left
50:33
overhead shot or something signifying what's going on
50:36
without showing us her picking
50:40
her ass. But you know, luckily I didn't
50:42
notice it at all, and neither did you.
50:45
Off to the side, Meri is vigorously rubbing her hands
50:49
together like she's itching to
50:52
front of her. She has her hands and she's
50:54
rubbing them together almost like it's cold out there.
50:57
Yeah, but do we believe it's cold out there, or do we believe
51:00
that she just is trying to contain her eager excitement to
51:05
fix shit? Yeah, everyone else in the
51:07
family is doing this and I'm going to fix it.
51:09
I'd love that though. Yeah, she's standing on the
51:12
outside, just literally itching her hands together.
51:19
As the pieces have mostly been
51:23
asks for each of them to speak
51:26
symbolizes to them. And of course, we have to start
51:30
with Kody. It's not like she asked him.
51:32
He just has to jump right in. And honey, because you've been
51:36
basically bosom buddies with Kody this entire episode, I'd
51:39
love for you to let our listeners know what Kody thinks.
51:42
Because no one else is going to speak first.
51:44
Kody's going to speak first. We have God at the top, which
51:48
speaks to our spiritual enlightenment.
51:52
Yes, of course. She was just channeling Brigham
51:55
Young. Oh wow, wow.
51:59
Meri likes how all of the pieces
52:04
The Word family is enveloped by all of these words.
52:08
She's trying to shake it out of her hands that she can't go in
52:12
and fix this. Enveloping.
52:17
Quite a word. I side note, I do like when
52:20
people use the word enveloping
52:22
naturally to me and every time I
52:25
something being enveloped I'm going holy shit.
52:28
Wow, that's quite a word. You know what I have to say,
52:31
That's not an odd word for me to
52:32
I feel like I use it in a normal
52:35
Because in a normal way. I feel like I use it maybe
52:39
regularly because it wasn't a standout to me like these other
52:44
Rick and weird ass things that
52:48
You have been enveloped. Kody points out that it is chaos
52:53
and order, like their family trying to make order out of the
52:58
chaos. Well, that's so lovely.
53:00
That's such a great way of putting it, Kody.
53:03
Robyn says. I like that it's not a perfect
53:06
square. Once again chiming in the
53:11
village idiot coming around the corner.
53:13
It's not a perfect square. This is.
53:16
Meri has to. Sing God.
53:18
We do not fit in a box, do we?
53:28
respect level hit an all time low for both Meri and Robyn.
53:32
These two town fools the top foolery of.
53:37
These two, I can't. I can't even.
53:40
Janelle steps in with her bare
53:43
else to tell us. She's going to get her hooves up
53:46
in here. She's the only one without shoes
53:50
in this clip. I have to tell you.
53:51
Just got to get them dirty tootsies up in here and she
53:56
shows them up, closing in on that circle with them toes and
53:59
she says she doesn't think it should be balanced.
54:05
And then they show her in shoes again and they pretend she's
54:10
been wearing shoes the whole time.
54:12
They show her in shoes the rest of the clip after they got.
54:16
Some out of sequence shit here.
54:18
After they zeroed in on her toes next to the blocks.
54:23
Oh wow. Why do they want her feet in
54:25
these shots so much? Which photographer has a foot
54:30
fetish for Janelle? I love how I'm going, holy shit.
54:36
Things are out of sequence. What does this mean?
54:37
And you're like, which one of these freaks has a foot fetish?
54:40
Which one of these? Freaks.
54:43
Has given money to Janelle for a
54:45
Well, I can't remember when it
54:48
little piggy going to the market
54:51
home. Remember she was going to sell
54:58
Was that her? Was that someone else?
55:00
The plague. Piggies.
55:00
No, that was her. She put some dirty ass little
55:02
pig piggies. On the bed.
55:05
That's right, yeah. Janelle's only.
55:08
Clot hoppered them clot hoppers up on there and they didn't even
55:16
Filthy little piggy feet. They show this situation with
55:22
the blocks and the words and they are trying to give Janelle
55:29
her snap snap snap moment where she says I'm coming out of my
55:32
own. I didn't even know how to such
55:37
And they show her walking around to fix those blocks and they
55:40
show her naked little tootsies on the floor right next to those
55:50
are actually leather made together shoes.
55:53
Yeah, black strappies. Yeah, they're like strappy
55:56
sandals or whatever. They're like like Jesus sandals.
56:00
And maybe not Jesusy sandals, but a little bit.
56:03
I've never met him, you know. I think I have in a dream once
56:07
or twice, but you know, that's
56:10
They show her tootsies in the shoes, then afterwards.
56:14
But on top of it. Why did they even have to pick
56:17
that clip then? Yeah.
56:20
Why even pick the clip of that?
56:22
And why not just frankenbite over the whole thing with the
56:26
shoes, The Dirty tootsies of it all?
56:29
Yeah, someone is obsessed with. Conspiracy.
56:31
Not only Janelle's dirty little piggy plague feet, but making
56:37
her look weird and unkempt and strange.
56:42
A wedgie picking the end thing that they always do to her by
56:46
putting her on the end of the group, Yeah.
56:48
Zooming in on her when she's like licking the side of her
56:51
mouth and. Shit falling out.
56:54
Yeah. Her almost falling out of the
56:58
child sized desk. After struggling to get out in
57:03
Who doesn't like her on this editing team?
57:08
Because she's probably 1 of the nicest of the group.
57:13
I don't understand it. Somebody has a vendetta or
57:18
somebody likes Robyn so much that they want to make everyone
57:22
else looked bad and she's just an easy target.
57:25
She's low hanging fruit. Oh God, as they would say, man,
57:29
it's conspiracy that I have. They try to make Janelle look
57:32
awful every chance they get. I'm buying into the conspiracy.
57:35
I love it, even if it's all
57:36
made-up and part of this grand
57:39
I'm going to make you rewatch this clip now because it's very
57:43
weird. I can't.
57:44
I can't. OK.
57:46
Well, Janelle says. I would honestly change the
57:49
picture because it doesn't have to be balanced.
57:53
And you know, I just had to throw in the word picture again,
57:56
honey, sorry, picture. As she's moving these pieces
58:00
around, she's speaking out loud about why she's moving them and
58:04
where she would move them. It's almost like she's narrating
58:06
us through this process, her creative process.
58:09
She's giving us insight into how
58:13
block, square that Robyn thinks should happen into a piece of
58:17
art on the floor next to her little pig piggy feet.
58:21
Christine is just glad that this
58:24
Yeah, it feels good. It looks good.
58:28
It's beautiful. She starts getting almost, I
58:31
felt like a little emotional. They didn't show her crying, but
58:34
it seemed like she was on the verge of some sort of real feels
58:37
here. Christine thinks the whole goal
58:39
of this is actually to work on
58:41
She doesn't understand that these whole thing, these the
58:45
whole thing, she doesn't realize
58:50
this whole thing. So Christina's so happy.
58:53
Christina's so over the moon that they are finally figuring
58:58
out the mission statement. Meanwhile, she doesn't
59:01
understand that production's pulling the strings.
59:03
Yeah. Well, she's inspired by this
59:06
knock off homemade HomeGoods Hobby Lobby crap.
59:10
So she thinks it's so good and
59:13
I'm moved. I'm going to take pictures.
59:16
I'm going to take out the camera
59:19
wooden blocks. And now, to be fair, you know,
59:22
we weren't trying to tear apart the exercise.
59:24
The end result, as far as some
59:28
I thought it looked OK. I don't know.
59:31
I can't really judge though. I don't really know what it's
59:33
supposed to look like. I thought it was a very good
59:35
exercise. I guess I would photograph it if
59:38
I thought it was inspiration for
59:41
but otherwise I would probably
59:44
them. I'd throw them away, burn them.
59:47
If I thought of this time period, this is being filmed,
59:51
feet pictures going into sand were a big thing, or feet
59:56
pictures going into the bathtub or your legs going onto a chair
1:00:02
looking over a sunset were a big
1:00:05
So. This was a pretty popular type
1:00:09
of photo to take for that time
1:00:11
So you've got all their Tootsie's foots are covered
1:00:15
here. Get all of the covered feet sees
1:00:17
pointing in towards the blocks
1:00:20
top. So you get the covered Tootsie's
1:00:23
around the blocks all right. The word artist surrounded by
1:00:27
all of their feet and she's taking the photo.
1:00:30
It's the fan. Did I not make that clear?
1:00:32
I'm. Just kidding.
1:00:33
I didn't. No, you didn't.
1:00:35
But I. Didn't.
1:00:36
OK, I didn't at all. OK, yes, but that's the like,
1:00:38
Christina, she's trying to photograph it.
1:00:40
Like, Oh yeah, it's so inspirational.
1:00:41
It's whatever everyone gathers
1:00:44
the photo. Like, look at we're all
1:00:45
symbolically here as adults around the thing.
1:00:48
All the parents are taking photos around their beautiful
1:00:50
word art. For all that wild explanation I
1:00:52
just gave, I didn't tell you guys what happened.
1:00:56
Thanks, Christopher. Listen, it's all good.
1:00:58
Someone's got to be the man here
1:01:00
what's really happening. God, thank God there's at least
1:01:03
one of you here to put me in my place.
1:01:06
Someone's got to be a feminist
1:01:09
Yes, of course. As these photos are being taken,
1:01:12
we start getting some voiceovers
1:01:14
episode for us, and Kody, of course, gets to go first 'cause
1:01:18
it's fucking Kody. And he says that he thinks
1:01:21
Sedona was overall good. It changed them.
1:01:26
Parts of it were awkward and it's not going to be easy moving
1:01:29
forward, but it will help them
1:01:33
Of course, Robyn has to be Robyn, honey.
1:01:36
So we need to hear from Robyn.
1:01:39
We need some Robyn here. I need to get to know Nancy
1:01:43
better. I'm just scared that I'm going
1:01:47
to lose Kody's ear. Somebody is going to try to
1:01:51
balance the family out again and
1:01:54
I can't lose Kody's ear to all
1:02:02
That's not what she said. I think you.
1:02:06
I think. You can I paraphrase that?
1:02:08
Yeah, I take liberties. And your accent is crazier than
1:02:12
ever. Oh.
1:02:13
OK. Yeah, well, it was.
1:02:16
I was not myself there. I'm so sorry.
1:02:17
Robyn asked Rejected into my body, saying what she wished
1:02:21
that she could have said back then.
1:02:22
Oh, that's true. OK, well, Robyn needs to get to
1:02:26
know Nancy better. Robyn doesn't trust Nancy.
1:02:31
It's going to take time. She's still hesitant about
1:02:34
working with someone who doesn't
1:02:37
polygamist family. And I'm going your first
1:02:42
therapist said that they didn't have any experience working
1:02:45
with his family. But OK, Robyn, way to connect
1:02:48
the dots. Way to be coherent, way to be
1:02:50
even know what's going on around
1:02:53
Fucking Robyn. In my mind I'm like, is she
1:02:55
smart enough to think shit shit shit this could fuck up my
1:03:01
spot. Or is she still so part of this
1:03:05
cult that she believes that this person is dangerous for
1:03:08
their family? Right.
1:03:09
It's hard to know with her. She's a manipulator, really.
1:03:12
Is it that she's so dumb she doesn't know what's going on?
1:03:16
Or is she so smart that she knows what's going on and she
1:03:19
has to play dumb? Oh, no, I just might lose Kody's
1:03:24
No, no, no, we cannot have that. We cannot have that.
1:03:27
No, absolutely not. And hot off the heels of Robyn's
1:03:34
I think moving into our new homes and starting this new
1:03:37
chapter in our family, it's going to be great because of our
1:03:41
family mission statement and our
1:03:46
So good. My God, you're right.
1:03:48
This, so much of this has to be ushered into by production or
1:03:52
at least prompted as we've talked about before, where
1:03:55
it's like he's just putting everything in we.
1:03:57
Paid for Pat to get out here to Arizona.
1:04:02
This needs to accumulate to something we've got a bring it
1:04:07
back to the family mission statement because God forbid we
1:04:10
food pad out here to actually help the family.
1:04:12
No, it needed to be a moment for
1:04:16
Got a mission statement and a commitment ceremony coming up,
1:04:19
and Kody feels like that's going
1:04:21
everything that they've been working on, they're getting to
1:04:23
that place. They're going to get there,
1:04:25
honey. They're going to get there.
1:04:27
And they show a cutaway similar to what they did with Meri and
1:04:31
Kody on their honeymoon long, long ago over a rock overseeing
1:04:36
them. And they show the family being
1:04:38
all giddy and cute, taking pictures together over the red
1:04:41
rocks. And it's a cutaway photo.
1:04:43
And it's just magical, magical, magical.
1:04:46
And I said to Chris, do you think this was supposed to be
1:04:49
the season finale originally? It definitely had wrap up vibes.
1:04:56
I agree with that. What stuck out to me is as this
1:04:59
ending is happening, there's a
1:05:02
says I think we're leaving here with a vague direction.
1:05:08
Like the two things we're supposed to take away from this
1:05:10
wrap up that are moving us in the right direction.
1:05:14
Is Kody giving us some bullet points about a mission statement
1:05:17
in the commitment ceremony coming up, which seemed
1:05:20
production driven and just that's where we're going,
1:05:22
clearly. And the other thing is Janelle
1:05:24
saying that we're leaving with a
1:05:27
So luckily this weekend with Pat
1:05:32
us to a place that we can feel good about.
1:05:35
And as you were saying, this is all happening over footage that
1:05:38
is them climbing up a hillside, kind of.
1:05:42
Red Rock Overview. There, it's that thing where
1:05:46
they're far away, but they're zoomed in so that the background
1:05:48
is blurred, you know, like this.
1:05:50
It's the sentiment. It's a little different.
1:05:53
It's a different aesthetic than the rest of the reality TV
1:05:57
footage. Yeah.
1:05:57
The feel is that it is being teed up for a conclusion and
1:06:02
ending a what's going to happen next?
1:06:05
But we don't even get an X step on no.
1:06:08
And then we looked at what's Next up on and of course it's a
1:06:13
tell all. It's a tell all in the middle of
1:06:16
It would be interesting to know if they were anticipating that
1:06:22
And then we would be having the next season be what's going to
1:06:32
Oh, meanwhile I wonder. Well they got ordered more
1:06:36
episodes for the season because it was making money and they
1:06:39
thought we might as well release more episodes on this season.
1:06:42
Especially if they were filming it all consecutively anyway and
1:06:45
they were planning on breaking it up.
1:06:47
Because we've had the same thing with the show throughout the
1:06:50
life of it at this point is, well, did they even take a break
1:06:56
blah. It's hard to tell.
1:06:58
Well, even that finale was obviously shot during the first
1:07:02
segment of their getaway where
1:07:05
and being cutesy together and pushing Janelle into the photo.
1:07:08
You know that was shot at that
1:07:13
Yeah. It wasn't that they'd made him
1:07:15
go up there again at the end and
1:07:19
You know this is the contrived.
1:07:21
Stage. Contrived reality of reality.
1:07:24
TV. Yeah, well, well, what I what I
1:07:27
don't want to say what gives me hesitation, but I'm going How is
1:07:33
This is what's weird about TLC specifically, like these kind of
1:07:48
content planning. Like we wouldn't do that.
1:07:50
You wouldn't wrap up one season with what's going to happen at
1:07:52
the end of the next season. You might do a cliffhanger for
1:07:55
what starts at the next season.
1:07:57
So bad planning, bad story arcs, bad everything.
1:08:01
Yeah. Unlikable people, An unlikable
1:08:07
Thanks. Waste your time with us on the
1:08:13
deadbeat. Losers, deadbeat losers here
1:08:15
watching this terrible show where nothing happens and yet we
1:08:21
The original episode is 45 minutes, and here we are five
1:08:25
hours later. Five hours later, people have
1:08:29
come to expect certain things from us even though we are
1:08:32
deadbeat losers, including mustard seed and shit stain.
1:08:34
Dammit, they expect too much of us.
1:08:36
Could you all lower your expectations please?
1:08:39
Please. If you're still even here
1:08:41
listening to this, what do you think, girl?
1:08:43
What are you going to give us? Who's going to get your mustard
1:08:46
seed? Brace yourselves, pull your cars
1:09:00
I don't think so. I feel like.
1:09:02
I feel like one of us has done it before.
1:09:04
Correct us if we're wrong because.
1:09:06
I was going to say some whoever's keeping track of the
1:09:11
seed on her own. Shoulder to the arms of my
1:09:14
chair, just like shaking myself violently.
1:09:16
He's touched you. Well, yes, he has this episode,
1:09:22
He has. He had good points during the
1:09:29
therapy sessions. He failed as a father when
1:09:34
talking to Leon about funding their college.
1:09:37
Yes, yes, but that was long, long ago at the beginning of
1:09:41
this episode. OK, let's forget about that.
1:09:44
Kody had great points about the Sister Wives.
1:09:49
If, and I'm playing complete devil's advocate here, I am
1:09:54
playing from the side of this is their religion.
1:09:56
This is why he's doing it, OK? He said.
1:10:00
You know, you guys need to have relationships outside of me.
1:10:04
I can't be the center of all of this if we are a family.
1:10:07
The truth of that is that you would maintain the status of
1:10:12
family after my passing on to the Celestial Kingdom.
1:10:16
So if I as your prophet am dead and gone, you know.
1:10:23
Sew those legs together. He's.
1:10:26
Actually being truthful if he's speaking to his religion right
1:10:35
towards the celestial Kingdom. Yeah, and even roping down that
1:10:40
celestial Kingdom and bringing it down here to planet Earth,
1:10:43
it's generally what should happen in a family.
1:10:45
I mean, you should have relationships with each other,
1:10:49
being the navigator or the problem solver or the whatever.
1:10:52
It is true.
1:10:53
So Ding Ding for Kody several times in this episode.
1:10:56
Love me or hate me, that's where
1:11:01
and. Just like Kody Brown, love me or
1:11:04
hate me, my mustard seed for this episode goes to his loving
1:11:08
wife Janelle. Because I did like that she took
1:11:13
some, I don't know, she got a little gusto underneath her
1:11:16
bosom. Her burning bosom turned into a
1:11:18
creative bosom and she moved those blocks around as if it was
1:11:21
her thing. And she did it in front of Meri
1:11:24
while Meri was looking at her.
1:11:26
those fucking blocks. I am Meri Brown.
1:11:29
I move the blocks. Wife #1.
1:11:32
Yes, she. You know, I'm so timid.
1:11:34
I'm so scared of everyone all the time.
1:11:36
Oh my God, how very dare you. And Janelle just stepped in
1:11:39
there and moved those blocks as she damn well pleased and I
1:11:42
applauded. I also wanted to take her little
1:11:46
dirty piggy piggies and put them
1:11:50
And admit that you have a fetish.
1:11:51
And rub my tongue and roll my tongue all over those dirty
1:11:55
little piggy piggies. Janelle, I will sign up for your
1:12:00
Only fans and I will pay a lot.
1:12:03
You heard it here first. Just to send your kids to
1:12:06
college. Oh no, her kids.
1:12:09
I thought I was talking about me.
1:12:10
Oh God, that was wrong. To know I'm going to beg you
1:12:13
right now to please pay off my student loans with them plaguey
1:12:17
piggy feedies. Please, please, now that we've
1:12:24
Or piggy piggies for longer than anyone's ever wanted to hear
1:12:28
about Janelle's toes. Ever.
1:12:29
Well, except for me, because of course I'm secretly obsessed.
1:12:31
It's time for your shit stain, darling.
1:12:34
My shit stain. It is going to go to Robyn
1:12:39
Brown. It's probably partially because
1:12:42
she actually is a piece of shit.
1:12:45
And it's probably partially because Janelle used her dirty
1:12:48
piggy piggy tootsies to roll up a loose sushi roll and fed it
1:12:53
to Robyn. And Robyn got nauseous and had
1:13:01
to miss a large part of this family retreat for God knows
1:13:08
why. We don't know why, Robyn.
1:13:12
And I think you're a dirty, dirty liar.
1:13:15
And I think you told Kody something.
1:13:17
And I think Kody stayed in your room that night and this is
1:13:20
alleged and I think he stayed in
1:13:23
And I think you pretended that, oh, you might have had a little
1:13:27
bit of a tummy, a little morning
1:13:30
still feel like going. And I don't think that you like
1:13:33
therapy and I think you don't like that it's going to call you
1:13:36
out for the person you are and
1:13:39
family. And I think you're pretended to
1:13:41
be pregnante be because of it.
1:13:46
Wow. And it's all alleged.
1:13:47
That is good girl. Allegedly.
1:13:50
I do love this conspiracy theory
1:13:55
with the nauseousness. It's one of those things would.
1:13:58
You wear. Well, listen, it's one of those
1:14:00
things where it's just far fetched off enough where like
1:14:03
she does with the negligee tops,
1:14:07
you go, this is ridiculous. Like I can't be thinking she's
1:14:11
pretending to be nauseous because she's pregnant, or she's
1:14:14
nauseous because she's pregnant,
1:14:17
nauseous because she's pretending to be pregnant.
1:14:18
You can't let yourself go there because it's just crazy enough.
1:14:22
In all reality, she's the psycho
1:14:25
She's manipulative and I think
1:14:29
way to manipulate him. Yeah, I think the odds are in
1:14:34
your favor for that assumption
1:14:37
gamble money I don't have on it.
1:14:39
Allegedly. So the smear in my underwear
1:14:43
this week belongs to 1 Meri Brown.
1:14:46
Meri, Meri. Quite contrary.
1:14:49
I just struggle so much with believing you, and I want to
1:14:54
believe you. Anyone who's listened to this
1:14:57
show knows that I try to get on Team Meri.
1:15:00
I try. I buy the tickets.
1:15:02
I sit in the front row and I leave halfway through because I
1:15:07
go, this is garbage. This is trash.
1:15:09
And why don't you show us your feet?
1:15:11
I say why aren't you showing your little piggy piggies Meri?
1:15:16
I just can't believe her when
1:15:19
she expresses her feelings sometimes.
1:15:22
Might make me the king of the manosphere.
1:15:24
Might make me someone who's UN
1:15:27
an empath. I just don't believe her.
1:15:29
I think it might not be an outright lie, but it is not
1:15:34
positioning things correctly for
1:15:38
express herself because of fear that she'll be labeled as
1:15:41
abusive, well, that makes sense on paper, but when I'm watching
1:15:45
the footage, I'm going girl, I
1:15:47
I just don't believe it. I don't believe her, and I'm not
1:15:51
saying she's a liar, but I don't
1:15:54
She's a good actress. Oh, does she deserve an award?
1:16:00
Well. She did get an award today.
1:16:02
She got my shit stain. Show those feet first.
1:16:05
Maybe feet. Show us those.
1:16:07
Feet, our keep sweet moment this
1:16:11
pivot from where this episode has brought us and our alleged
1:16:15
slander. Is it light hearted?
1:16:20
No. No, we could use some of that
1:16:24
right now. Bring me back to reality.
1:16:27
I'm here for it. This keeps me moment comes to us
1:16:29
from Katie 2284 on YouTube and
1:16:35
that the first time I saw a video from you, the opening song
1:16:38
made me cry because my Papa would sing that to me when I was
1:16:42
little. He passed away in 2003 and I
1:16:45
hadn't heard that song since then.
1:16:47
It was an instant subscribe in
1:16:51
Heart emoji. Katie, that is super special.
1:16:55
I love that you have that memory
1:16:58
continue to listen to the show.
1:17:00
And if you want to pay me for feet pictures, let me know
1:17:06
because I could use it to pay for my own student loans.
1:17:11
The. Connection from this heart
1:17:15
warming tale of music that reminds her of her father.
1:17:20
You're going to connect it to your dirty piggy piggy feet.
1:17:25
I mean. I mean, they're not plaguey
1:17:27
feet, they're just dirty. They could be plaguey.
1:17:30
Oh. Let me call you sweet feet.
1:17:35
I'm in love with feet. No, no, you cannot post that
1:17:44
after that. This episode is so wrong.
1:17:48
This episode is so wrong. I know I can't.
1:17:52
This is so wrong. For the record, this may be our
1:18:11
most cringe episode that I've ever felt while wrapping it up.
1:18:15
Just so you guys know this.
1:18:16
I don't know if this will make
1:18:20
an all time low and you know, glad you were here for it.