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4 (Actually) Bold Predictions For The Buckeyes' 2025 Season · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Ohio State football season. On today's show, you're going to
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  Speaker 1: be doing that with our buddy, Tony Gerdeman at bucke
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  Speaker 1: that has been having some predictions for this year's Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State team. Some of them have been bolder than others.
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  Speaker 1: If you have followed our Bold Prediction show, you know
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  Speaker 1: that's always true of Tony. These the show, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to do three or four of them. These are pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: I like all of these. So that felt unusual enough
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  Speaker 1: that I was like, we should do a show specifically
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  Speaker 1: with you making predictions that are somewhat bold, never before
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  Speaker 1: in the history of podcasting. So Tony, welcome. Let's start
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  Speaker 1: with the first one about an Ohio State true freshman,
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  Speaker 1: Devin Sanchez. You say we'll have two plus intercept interceptions.
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  Speaker 1: Dante Whitner the last true freshman do that all the
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  Speaker 1: way back in two thousand and three. William White was
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  Speaker 1: the last true freshman cornerback to do it in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty four. So it has been a minute. So Tony,
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  Speaker 1: what makes you think that Devin Sanchez is a unique
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  Speaker 1: enough player to make that happen this year?
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's because he's a unique enough player to make
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  Speaker 2: that happen this year. Tom That's basically I've answered your
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  Speaker 2: question with.
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  Speaker 1: The question it might drop in, Tony.
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  Speaker 2: He is an elite prospect, as we know, but I
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  Speaker 2: do think he's We saw him in the Too Deep
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  Speaker 2: for the buck Eyes and in the spring, and he's
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  Speaker 2: going to play plenty, and he's certainly going to be
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  Speaker 2: wanting to make his mark when he's out there. And
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  Speaker 2: also there will be times when he's out there where
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  Speaker 2: maybe he's not playing the best competition in terms of
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  Speaker 2: you know, it might be more of a blowout at times.
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  Speaker 2: So you're dealing with quarterbacks who are throwing the ball
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  Speaker 2: around trying to play catch up, and so I think
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  Speaker 2: he might have more opportunities than your standard back up,
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  Speaker 2: and to call him backup. We don't even know if
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  Speaker 2: that's necessarily the case at this point. He could be
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  Speaker 2: in the rotation, which would only help his matter. It
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  Speaker 2: helps matter, So I think he's gonna have some opportunities.
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  Speaker 2: I think it is when you say, like when I
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  Speaker 2: first write it down, like yeah, let's say Devin Sanchez
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  Speaker 2: with two interceptions, Like, well, when was the last time
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  Speaker 2: a freshman did that? And it's like I'm going through
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  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, there's a ton with one and
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  Speaker 2: you know, like a Rod J. Burns had a seventy
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  Speaker 2: five yard interception return, you know, back in twenty seventeen
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  Speaker 2: or whatever, twenty sixteen. It's like there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: guys with one, like a J Hawk in two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and two may have had two. But in terms of
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  Speaker 2: like defensive backs, yeah, Devins, Dante Whitener, you had to
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  Speaker 2: go all the way back to two thousand and three,
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  Speaker 2: and then it's like, well, what about quarters, because that's
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  Speaker 2: really what we're talking about, And as you said, you
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  Speaker 2: got to go back over forty years. So this may
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  Speaker 2: be the boldest prediction that has ever gone from your
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  Speaker 2: you said, it is certainly the boldest prediction that has
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  Speaker 2: ever come out of your mouth, basically, So it's just
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  Speaker 2: no coincidence that it's one of my predictions that made
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  Speaker 2: it so.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're talking about something that's happened in twenty three
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  Speaker 1: and nineteen eighty four. Think about, Tony, the number of
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  Speaker 1: predictions that I've made that involve not since Rutgers in
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  Speaker 1: Princeton in eighteen sixty nine, dozens, hundreds, dozens of times
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  Speaker 1: a week in some cases. I mean, you gotta, I
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  Speaker 1: think I think you're I think everyone recognizes the gas
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  Speaker 1: lighting that's going on right. Nonetheless, a very good one
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  Speaker 1: and one that I agree with you, where you're going
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  Speaker 1: to have potentially a lot of opportunities in the second
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  Speaker 1: half against you know, Ohio States twos. The gap between
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  Speaker 1: Ohio States ones and Prairieview or not Preview Grambling States
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  Speaker 1: ones is going to be really significant the gap between
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  Speaker 1: Ohio States twos and Grambling States twos is going to
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  Speaker 1: be perhaps even bigger in some ways. And you know
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  Speaker 1: you're going to have young quarterbacks and young wide receivers
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  Speaker 1: out there, and Devin Sanchez probably going to be significantly
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  Speaker 1: significantly ahead. So I think I like this one a
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  Speaker 1: lot where you could get yet one in that game
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  Speaker 1: and then you get you know, one other at some point,
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  Speaker 1: he's going to be playing a lot, I think, going
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  Speaker 1: to be in that rotation. You know, Jermaine Matthews and
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  Speaker 1: Davis Son, Agmunosen presumably these starters this year and returning
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  Speaker 1: starters Aaron Scott obviously in that mix, and Devin Sanchez
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  Speaker 1: in that mix as well, So you're they're going to
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  Speaker 1: see reps. I think, I think this is a very
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  Speaker 1: good one. Next one, boy, this is another one that
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  Speaker 1: you write it down and it's like, yeah, okay, sure maybe.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that sounds like something that happens every three
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  Speaker 1: years or so, three Ohio State quarterbacks will throw two
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  Speaker 1: plus touchdown passes. I want everyone at home to take
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  Speaker 1: a second and think, back, Okay, how long has it
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  Speaker 1: been since that happened? I mean, oh, maybe it was
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  Speaker 1: maybe it was twenty sixteen. There maybe it was twenty seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, certainly this has happened a bunch right nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety five. I will give you now a minute to
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  Speaker 1: think about which quarterbacks were even on the roster in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five, and who would have done this. I
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  Speaker 1: would not have I would not have come up with
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  Speaker 1: the third one. I would have come up with first two,
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  Speaker 1: which is Bobby Hoying and Stan Jackson. That okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: those are names you probably have come up with. Tommy Hoying.
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  Speaker 1: The third quarterback to do it has not happened since
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five. This feels like one that we probably
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  Speaker 1: predicted this time every year. How has this not happened
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  Speaker 1: in thirty years?
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  Speaker 2: And really, to even get a second quarterback with two
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  Speaker 2: touchdown passes is kind of a rare thing. It's crazy
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  Speaker 2: that Chris Jagganov threw what five or six in his
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  Speaker 2: one season with the Buckeyes. But now I think this
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  Speaker 2: year you're going to have clearly the starter will do it,
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  Speaker 2: and you would think, you know, there's every opportunity for
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  Speaker 2: the backup to do it, but the key is the
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  Speaker 2: third guy. Tavi in Saint Clair, you would think once
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  Speaker 2: he gets into a game, they'd like to let him
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  Speaker 2: throw the ball a little bit. And that's not something
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  Speaker 2: they've necessarily done in the past, because we remember when CJ.
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  Speaker 2: Stroud didn't even throw the ball as a retro fresh
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  Speaker 2: or as a true freshman. Devin Brown, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: threw the ball at all as a true freshman. Julian
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  Speaker 2: and Sane finally got to throw the ball a little
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  Speaker 2: bit last year. We know Kyle core throw the ball
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  Speaker 2: as a true freshman. You know, he started a game
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  Speaker 2: for craning out loud. But I think this maybe you're
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  Speaker 2: you're advancing to the point of you can't bring freshmen
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  Speaker 2: along as slowly as you used to. So while they're
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  Speaker 2: out there, let them throw the ball around. Everybody's paying
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  Speaker 2: good money for the players, everybody's paying good money for
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  Speaker 2: the opponents. Basically, you're bringing three opponents in. Let your
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  Speaker 2: quarterbacks throw the ball around against them, you know, let
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  Speaker 2: them throw the ball around against Texas. You know, let
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  Speaker 2: Tavi and throw the ball against the Longhorns. But I
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  Speaker 2: think you'll have some of those opportunities, and shoot, who knows,
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  Speaker 2: maybe maybe Saint Claire will get his two out against Grambling.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not expecting that because that's gonna be really late
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  Speaker 2: in the game. But as I'm talking more and more,
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, boy, this sounds very very unlikely, just because
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  Speaker 2: it's so rare. But I do think they're going to
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  Speaker 2: want to want to allow Toybe take Claire to throw
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  Speaker 2: the ball.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you could see this happening in a way that's
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  Speaker 1: a very good thing for Ohio State where they're up
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  Speaker 1: by a bunch and Davi in Saint Clair's really coming
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  Speaker 1: along very well, and you can you can give him
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  Speaker 1: lots of you trust him with reps earlier in the
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  Speaker 1: game then you might have otherwise. Or you can see
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  Speaker 1: this happening in a way that's very very bad where
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  Speaker 1: you have a bunch of injuries like I you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of times if you have, you know,
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  Speaker 1: three quarterbacks who throw for two three touchdown passes, that's
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  Speaker 1: probably boy, you're you're down on your you know, Marylyn
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  Speaker 1: probably had a year like that, the year that they
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  Speaker 1: ended up with like a linebacker playing quarterback, what five
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  Speaker 1: ten years ago at this point, So you know, you
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  Speaker 1: could it could be a very positive or very very
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  Speaker 1: negative thing if that happens. We'll see again. I would
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  Speaker 1: have guessed that that happened ten times in the last
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  Speaker 1: thirty years. It has happened zero times in the last
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  Speaker 1: thirty years. So there you go. So all right, that's
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  Speaker 1: a good one. Next up, Brandon Innis will account for
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  Speaker 1: touchdowns three different ways. We were sort of brainstorming before
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  Speaker 1: the show. The answer we landed on in terms of
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  Speaker 1: the last time this is not as easily searchable as
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  Speaker 1: some of the other stuff. The answer we landed on
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  Speaker 1: in terms of the most recent time. It probably happened
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  Speaker 1: with Jalen Marshall and twenty fourteen, where he had a
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  Speaker 1: rushing touchdown, a number of receiving touchdowns, and had a
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  Speaker 1: punt return touchdown against Indiana, and then Ohio State didn't
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  Speaker 1: have a punt return touchdown for ten years until Caleb
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  Speaker 1: Downs did it in twenty twenty four. I want to
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  Speaker 1: talk to you about Caleb Downs in this category in
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  Speaker 1: a minute, because I think I should get the plus
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  Speaker 1: ten thousand on a Caleb Downs prediction scoring three different ways.
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  Speaker 1: But Brandon Innis accounting for touchdowns three different ways this season, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I could absolutely see it. I think he's going to
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  Speaker 1: be someone they're going to be trying to get the
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  Speaker 1: ball to in a bunch of different ways, but in
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  Speaker 1: this one, again, this is like, this is something that
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  Speaker 1: feels like it should happen more often than it apparently does.
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  Speaker 2: Especially when you've got a weapon that you want to utilize.
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  Speaker 2: And granted Brandon in this this is his third year,
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  Speaker 2: so he's waited to be utilized. But with just the
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  Speaker 2: lack of punt returns and kickoff returns, I think has
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  Speaker 2: really made this a difficult thing to do. It was
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  Speaker 2: I think much more common or I don't know, much
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  Speaker 2: less rare back in the day. I think there's also
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  Speaker 2: one other avenue to keep an eye out for Tom,
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  Speaker 2: and that is Brandon Innis can throw the ball. He
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  Speaker 2: threw the ball in high school, so you could see
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  Speaker 2: some jet sweep type action where you know he gets
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  Speaker 2: it and he throws it. So I didn't want to
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  Speaker 2: say four ways, but I'm saying I've got four different
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  Speaker 2: ways for him to score a three touchdown to count
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  Speaker 2: for three touchdowns, and so that helps my argument out
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. But I honestly, I don't know. I
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  Speaker 2: would probably take throwing a touchdown pass over returning a
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  Speaker 2: punt as more likely this year for Brandon Innis, just
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  Speaker 2: because the punt return has been such an anomaly for
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that one. The other thing that we
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  Speaker 1: had been talked we talked about was, you know, maybe
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  Speaker 1: a quarterback catches a touchdown pass something like that, and
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  Speaker 1: you have seen that in the past. We couldn't come
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  Speaker 1: up with any more recent than Terrell Pryor in the
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  Speaker 1: Fiesta Bowl against Texas for an Ohio State quarterback catching
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  Speaker 1: a touchdow on pass. But you know, there are there
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  Speaker 1: are ways to do this, you know, the you know,
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  Speaker 1: rush for a touchdown, throw for a touchdown, catch a touchdown.
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  Speaker 1: That is the Michael Wiley hat trick. If we're going
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  Speaker 1: to do this and name this for an Ohio State
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  Speaker 1: player of the past. But yeah, that's an interesting one.
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  Speaker 1: I would like, you know, if we're going to do
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  Speaker 1: this as a season bold predictions, I would like ten
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  Speaker 1: points for Caleb Downs. Does this scores touchdown three separate ways.
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  Speaker 1: I think the window has closed on the Caleb Downs
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  Speaker 1: running back experiments at Ohio State. That always seemed like
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  Speaker 1: a very unlikely thing and has only gotten less likely
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  Speaker 1: as they have Carlos Laughlin has bolstered the numbers in
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  Speaker 1: that room quite a bit. But I mean, you're telling
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  Speaker 1: me Caleb Downs can't get a scoop and score and
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  Speaker 1: a pick six and a punt return this year. I
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  Speaker 1: you know, the odds of any of those individually are
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  Speaker 1: probably like a plus U plus five hundred something like that.
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  Speaker 1: So you can parlay three plus five hundreds, you're ending
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  Speaker 1: up with some kind of a pretty big number there.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, if I think he's someone who is
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  Speaker 1: he's not at the top of the list of the
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  Speaker 1: most likely. But if you're going to factor in odds
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  Speaker 1: on this, I'll I think he might not be a
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  Speaker 1: bad bet, just value wise to do it, just because
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  Speaker 1: if there's a loose football, he's pretty fast, he's pretty elusive.
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  Speaker 1: He's got a great, great sense for the game, so
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  Speaker 1: he's going to be able to find open field. Would
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  Speaker 1: I would not bet against him doing that, And you know,
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  Speaker 1: not not likely, like I said, But you tell me
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  Speaker 1: you can't see it.
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  Speaker 2: No, I can definitely see it. And as we're talking
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  Speaker 2: about this, I'm thinking imagine, like Drama Jones back in
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  Speaker 2: the day, if they would have had him as a
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  Speaker 2: goal line tight end at some point because we saw
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  Speaker 2: him intercept passes and you know pick up, you know, fumbballs.
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  Speaker 2: I think he had been a dynamic goal line tight
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  Speaker 2: end that could have gotten involved. But there are there
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  Speaker 2: are ways for a defensive guy to do this without
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  Speaker 2: being involved in offense. And I think you could make
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  Speaker 2: a solid bet each of those three things would be
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  Speaker 2: like that seems like money, well bet, and again we're
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  Speaker 2: not talking gambling, but like it doesn't seem like you're
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  Speaker 2: throwing away money basically all three. Now, now you're playing
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  Speaker 2: with fire, and you know, like, well this is Look,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to have fun and hit a big parlay.
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  Speaker 2: But certainly I think it's not out of the realm
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  Speaker 2: of possibility and would definitely be worth five.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's more than more than five. But that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: We'll we'll we'll maybe have a season well maybe we'll maybe,
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  Speaker 1: he says, yeah, we will absolutely positively have a season
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  Speaker 1: long Bold Prediction Show at some point and we'll have
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  Speaker 1: a conversation. But whether that's worth ten or twenty or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: but all right, so we'll get there. But first of all,
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  Speaker 1: let's get to your last one. Styles will lead Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State in sacks absolutely could see it happening, and this
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  Speaker 1: is another one where the last time it happened twenty
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  Speaker 1: years ago, a j Hawk was the last Ohio State
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  Speaker 1: linebacker to do that. That's that's another incredible number, incredible stat.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it helps to have had Ohio State's defensive
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  Speaker 2: ends that they've had over the last you know, twenty years,
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  Speaker 2: but also some of these linebackers and really other linebackers
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  Speaker 2: have had opportunities where the leader in sacks has been
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  Speaker 2: like four and a half before in recent time. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm just wondering what Matt Patricia is going to do
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  Speaker 2: with sunny styles. And you know, we saw Cody Simon
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  Speaker 2: come close to it last year with his attacking styles
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  Speaker 2: Sunny styles, and I guess what they're going to do
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  Speaker 2: with him. We assume he's going to be doing some
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  Speaker 2: blitzing as he did last year. I think the other
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  Speaker 2: part of this is how deep is this five man
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  Speaker 2: defensive end rotation? And is it so deep that the
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  Speaker 2: leading sacker among the defensive end just has like six
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  Speaker 2: and a half And if there's like three guys with
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  Speaker 2: six and a half, Ohio State would take that and
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  Speaker 2: a heartbeat, like, look at all of these productive, consistent
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  Speaker 2: defense ends, and then you've got Sunny Styles slow and
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  Speaker 2: study wins. The race comes in with you know, another
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  Speaker 2: eight and a half or nine sacks to lead the team.
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  Speaker 2: I think that is a real possibility, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's again, these are not necessarily likely.
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  Speaker 2: These are relatively bold. Sonny Styles had six sacks last year.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Cody Simon had seven. J T two molo
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  Speaker 2: twelve and a half, Jack Sayer nine. So the linebackers
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  Speaker 2: are going to have to do some work. But we've
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  Speaker 2: seen in past years where if this rotation is overly deep,
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  Speaker 2: then certainly a linebacker can come in and steal the glory,
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  Speaker 2: steal the steal the team leads. So I think just
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  Speaker 2: keep an eye out on this one.
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  Speaker 1: I like this one because, I mean, you mentioned what
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  Speaker 1: twelve for j T, twemlo and a half for Jack
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  Speaker 1: say out last year. I don't this doesn't feel like
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  Speaker 1: a year where Ohio State it's going to have a
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  Speaker 1: couple guys not going to the door a ten sacks.
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  Speaker 1: This feels like a year where they're much more likely
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  Speaker 1: to have four guys with five sacks rather than two
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  Speaker 1: guys with ten sacks. It just it just feels like
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  Speaker 1: you're going to be rotating a decent amount at the
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  Speaker 1: defensive end positions they feel you know, they feel pretty
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  Speaker 1: good about at the interior of the defensive line. But
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  Speaker 1: you can be an interior defensive lineman and have five
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  Speaker 1: sacks or six sacks, and that's a monster season from
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  Speaker 1: a defensive tackle. So you know, you're not Endomik and Sue,
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  Speaker 1: So you're not going to be putting up ten sacks
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  Speaker 1: from a defensive tackle position. So you might be able
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  Speaker 1: to just you know, you're winning the Al Central with
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  Speaker 1: eighty five wins because there's a lot of eighty one
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  Speaker 1: win teams there and so you you know, you don't
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  Speaker 1: need to you don't need to pile up Chase Young
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  Speaker 1: numbers or Nick Bosa numbers or Joey Bosa numbers. You
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  Speaker 1: can you can just be part of a really deep
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  Speaker 1: and sort of balanced defensive attack. And as you know,
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  Speaker 1: to your point with Matt Pte Rishia, what is this
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  Speaker 1: defense going to look like? We really didn't see a
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  Speaker 1: whole heck of a lot this spring in terms of
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  Speaker 1: what they were showing and really understanding exactly what he's
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  Speaker 1: going to do. You know what he did in the pros,
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  Speaker 1: but that's not necessarily you're gonna how often did you
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  Speaker 1: talk this spring about you got to look at what
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  Speaker 1: you got personnel wise, and you sort of shape it
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  Speaker 1: around that. I don't know that they have the one
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  Speaker 1: guy who's going to be the you know, I'm a
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  Speaker 1: big believer, and several of those guys on the defensive line,
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  Speaker 1: I just don't know that you have a Chase Young there.
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  Speaker 1: So you're probably going to have a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: of a balanced thing. So that does make it more
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  Speaker 1: likely you end up with someone unusual leading the team
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  Speaker 1: in sacks. So all right, So there you go. Four
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  Speaker 1: very bold predictions from mister Tony Gerdaman for the twenty
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• 17:23
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