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Ep. 53: Faith & adversity - "Wake Up Jesus People" author Jason Heinritz on powerful "Sacred Starts" · Adventures in Adversity: an inspirational podcast

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All right, we are back with episode #53 so exciting to say
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that of the Adventures and Adversity Podcast.
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For those of you who have not tuned in before, this is a
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podcast where we feature real people, true stories, and daily
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inspiration to help all of us, myself included, turn life's
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adversity into an adventure. Right, So all kinds of amazing
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people on this podcast, and one of which is here today, I wanted
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to introduce Jason Heinrichs. Thank you so much, Jason.
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I'm, I'm really, really excited to talk.
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I know we're gonna talk about a lot of really, really
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transformative things today. So yeah.
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Thanks for having me. Yeah, so Jason and I got
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connected via the wonderful world of the podcast world, the
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sort of growth, everyone who's searching for something world,
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right? And we were just talking before
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about how we've both been on this journey with reconnecting
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with God and what does that mean with our personal life and
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family life and all the things we've been through, right?
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So Jason, if you don't mind, this is my favorite part of the
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podcast where I get to make my guests blush a little bit when I
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read about them in front of them, if that's OK to introduce
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you. So Jason, you have a lot of
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different facets to you, right? You have been very successful in
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the professional business world. You've worked for Cutco, right?
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Many, many, lots of you founded 40 Forge.
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You are author of the book Wake Up Jesus People, which I am
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going to ask you a lot of questions about today.
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You've trained thousands of people in sales, management,
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presentation and leadership, right?
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And I think the coolest part about that is this.
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All that personal professional success has led to this amazing
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sort of faith transformation that has this kind of informed
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the rest of your life and what you do.
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Yeah. Thank you.
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That was perfect. Cool.
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So where can we start, Jason? Tell me a little bit for my
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audience, Tell me a little bit about yourself.
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And we're just going to go all over the place.
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I just wanted to. I always do.
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Sure. So I'm married for nine years
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now. I have two boys, a three-year
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old and a five year old. We currently live in Green Bay,
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WI and we are moving on Sunday to Seattle to help start a
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church. And we've been leading our young
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adults ministry out here, my wife and I for a couple years.
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We've been loving the church we're going to for about 10
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years now. We just want to help bring that
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message out there also. And it's that's been a whole
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story of its own, but that's been more bubbling up here over
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the last few years. God work on us, preparing us for
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that. But in my 20s, so as Bree said,
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I'm in direct sales. I sell Cutco cutlery.
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So I've been doing that for about 21 years now.
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And in my 20s, it was my drug, it was my my idol.
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It was grind time, it was getting after it.
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And it's my 20s. It was focused on on, on success
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and sales and wealth, ego, all of that.
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And then it's definitely for my faith. 1 foot in the world and 1
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foot out and in my 30s got a little more serious, right?
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I got married and started doing things a little different,
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stopped parting as much. And then I still doing a lot in
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the in the world of business, but I'm just really recommitted
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to my to my faith and dove back in.
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And then over the last few years, it's just been
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transformative to see really God working on me and my heart of
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building my own Kingdom to transitioning to building his
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Kingdom. And here we are now.
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I love that and it's I think a lot of people listening, however
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they stumble upon this podcast, they have gone through what
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sounds like you have gone through as many different sort
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of life phases where, you know, maybe success and money and
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productivity, which is very common, right?
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Was your idol. And then now it's like that that
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you get into a point, you know, 20s, thirties at different
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points in life where you're like, wait, this is something's
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off, right? So do you like looking back?
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Tell me a little bit about your journey.
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So obviously in the world success, professional success,
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you know, it's a great thing, right?
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Like, I think wherein lies the problem is when that is your
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only thing, is that what governs you, right.
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So take me back to, was there a moment when you were, you know,
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doing well, when you were like, was there like a record
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scratching moment where you're like, wait, this is not working
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for me or something? Yeah, there's a lot.
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And I would say one, I would say for your listeners, for anyone
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who's trying to build wealth, build a business, there's
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nothing wrong with that. But when it becomes your sole
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focus and your idol and it is replacing your happiness and
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your joy and being a good parent, being a good, a good
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significant other, that's when he comes a total issue.
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And what what happened in my 20s, I'd say is just I was just
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on the train of working hard and grinding it out and hitting
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accolades and trophies and awards.
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And it really didn't start until my 30s where I really started
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kind of cleansing myself of it. I was working my way up to this
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next promotion, going from a district manager to a division
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manager. And so that was the big goal, to
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get that promotion from like a territory to like a whole state.
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Yeah, working on that, grinding it out.
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A big mission was hit $1,000,000 in sales.
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It was my goal like every year for like 8 years straight.
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And finally in 2017 we hit it. So you get you get a cool, you
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get a cool watch, there's some other accolades and it's really
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cool. And then after a week you're
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like, all right, what's next? So after a couple years, I got
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promoted to the division manager position and it's a really great
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position, Bree. It was just a lot for me and it
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wasn't really stealing me. It was robbing me of my peace
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and my joy because I was getting that title and not all this
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other responsibility. And I got promoted in 2019.
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And as you're figuring out this new role, 2020 happened with
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COVID. So we went from an almost all in
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person organization to then all virtual.
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And then we also had our first child in 2020 and then had
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another child a couple years later figuring out the marriage
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thing. And so it really became a wake
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up call, I would say kind of bouncing around here is
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originally when I was getting these promotions and these
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accolades and realizing, OK, there's more.
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I know I love God, but he's not number one.
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I'm a workaholic and I'm putting all my trust and all my worth in
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my sales for that week or for that year or my title.
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And then so ever since COVID hit and kids hit, there was this
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slow, just slow progression of wanting to spend more time with
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the family and pursuing more of a joy in life than building, you
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know, my Kingdom through work. So let's say that was that was a
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big moment. First of all is as all those
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things happened. And then really three years ago
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is when I, well, so I've also threw out that time to help numb
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myself or to like take a break. I was like self medicated with
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either a weed gummy or a few drinks at night to relax and to
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just feel I need to turn it off. I need to turn that brain off.
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It's just, there's just, I need to stop this thing from working
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so I can be focused with the family and present, which I
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really wasn't. I wasn't getting drunk or blazed
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or anything, but it's definitely feeling it.
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And now it's probably 5 or 6 nights a week.
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And that was for probably 15 years, so probably 10 years.
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And then I had a friend from church who challenged me and
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said you shouldn't be doing that.
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He's he's, he was, he's a recovered addict.
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And then also through some marital counseling that my wife
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and I were going through, we brought it up as a thing.
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And she's like, yeah, those are some, there's some addictive
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tendencies. And I just, it really hit me to
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realize what's this path I'm going on?
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I'm working so hard and then I'm self medicating.
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I'm not happy like I, I am, but not enough with just myself and
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and my and my situation and my faith.
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It's like I needed other things. And then so really a few years
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ago was when my friend challenged me and my wife
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challenged me and I stopped. Now I stopped having my drinks
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at night, stopped having weed gummies, and then yeah, I then I
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just, it was a big cleansing. So that was a big God moment.
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And then another big God moment around the same time Bri was, I
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asked for a demotion essentially.
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I told my boss two years ago, hey, this DVM position is really
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working for me. I'm not the leader I need to be
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or I'm not good at it or just taking too long to build.
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It's too stressful. It's not worth it.
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I don't think I'm leaving the company, but I believe this is
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my last year in my role. And then he said, OK, we'll see
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then after a year. Yeah, people.
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Were like, he made a easy right? Yeah, yeah.
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And then then he demoted me, which was great after that year.
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And that was about a year and a half ago.
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And it's been, man, who I am now, my mentality, my peace and
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joy now is just so awesome, so great compared to where I was
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two to three years ago. And to see God work all the way
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through that to where I'm in a position now to go to where
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we're about to go, it just is got all over it.
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But also it was a lot of tough decisions, a lot of wake up
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calls. Yeah, so, and thank you for
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being so candid about all of that.
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Like really the heart of this podcast, I know is really being
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vulnerable about some moments that, you know, people might not
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ever even know that you're struggling because, right, all
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the all the boxes on the outside are checked, right?
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You're doing well. This, this, this, and I can
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completely relate to that where you're just like, wait, what am
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I doing? Like what is this?
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If it's, if you have, if you're losing your mental health or
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you're, you're having physical health issues or just
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something's off. I think at the end of the day,
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when you're not full of joy, that's that's what we're here
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for. And I think I've learned through
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reconnecting with God, you know, through the dark times that God
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wants you to experience joy, right?
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And all these things get in the way.
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And then really the ultimate answer is turning back to God
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because he, he, he guides us through everything.
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I do have a question. And I, I was watching some
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YouTube videos and you said you're in a great place.
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And I, and I'm I know a part of that or big part of that has to
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do with what you call the sacred starts.
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So tell me about that because you basically like you've gone
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from now where you guys are starting a church.
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You started 40 Forge. You wrote a book called.
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Your book is called. I'm going to let you say it.
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Yeah, wake up, Jesus, people. Wake up Jesus people.
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Founder of 40 Forge. And it's what I think is super
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cool is you're taking all those skills, right, that you've
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learned over the years of sales, connecting with people, solving
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problems, finding solutions. Seems like it has this whole
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frame of God now. Yeah.
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Which is amazing. Yeah, overcoming adversity is I
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was, I was how this was kind of birthed was I had I was dating a
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girl got engaged pretty quick. We're about to get married two
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months before and we were both pretending to be someone who we
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weren't. And I wanted to pursue the
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positive, the faith, all the future dreams and everything.
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And she just really wanted to party.
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And our whole, our whole like relationship was based on
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pleasures and fun. And so two months before God
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woke me up and gave me the courage to call it off.
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I knew it, I could see the red flags, but I just, I was hoping
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she'd change and hoping to get better.
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It didn't. So in that time of, of the fall
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of 2012, free was a big wake up call.
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And so I was down the dumps. I called everything off.
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It was, it was, you know, I was definitely in a down time and
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from what I thought was going to be happening.
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So that's when I just dove into morning routines.
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I went to Tony Robbins conference, I dove back into
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church and from there in the fall of 2012, I've been
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practicing morning routines. And so it's been life changing.
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It's been amazing starting my day with Jesus and exercise.
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And I'll go into it a little bit, but basically it's been
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basically me working on trying to figure out what's the best
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for me. And there's a lot of great books
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out there, morning routines. This is just mine.
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That's a Jesus version of it where I don't know many Jesus.
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I haven't really read a Jesus book about a morning routine.
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I've read a lot about how to read the Bible better, how to
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pray better, you know? Like, yeah, not like a whole
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thing, yeah. So I call it the sacred start.
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Why It's sacred? Because it is is a time that is
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set apart. It is holy.
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It is just you getting yourself right with Jesus in the morning
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and the sacred start and includes things like
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affirmations from scripture, prayer, journaling, exercise,
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and Bible reading. So every morning and I talk
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about an hour in the morning, wake up because you want to, not
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because you have to get that, get that morning right and get
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the exercise in the Jesus time and all that.
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That's how you start the day really determines how the rest
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of the day goes. You think about most of society,
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we're hitting snooze four or five times, rushed, stressed off
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to work. It's just a mess.
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And then we say we want to spend time doing the things that are
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important to us, like Jesus time or exercise.
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And and we don't, but those are so healthy for us and and we
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don't make time for it. So it's more of like, how does
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it look to be a practicing daily Jesus person?
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So start your day off for me, 5:00 AM every day I'm up, I'm
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doing it for about two 2 1/2 hours and it's just where I've
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gotten to because I just it fills me up like I.
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So good. It feels so good.
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It's so great. And then I know the whole day
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ahead of me is great and I know I need to be done by 7:15 when
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the boys wake up because then there's no, there's no like
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there's chaos. And so that's been a practice
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for the last really 13 years now.
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And then it's it's all in the book.
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It's a half the book about evening and morning routines and
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some of those disciplines. And please, can you hold up the
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book? Yeah, I would love.
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And I'm going to put all in the show notes, a direct link to
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where you can purchase this. I am going to purchase this as
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well because honestly, I can't, I can't say enough about the
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morning, the sacredness of mornings.
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And when I heard you say that on one of your YouTube videos, I
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was like, it, it, it's life altering.
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There's some energy in the morning where it's almost like
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anything that you are trying to heal from.
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It's just this time where it's like you feel like you're the
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only one in the world. And then but it's, it's sacred.
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It, it, I think that's a great. It is literally feels sacred.
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And you, you come into that 715. My moment is 7:00-ish.
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My two kids, 8 and 10, where I'm like, okay, yeah, the quiet time
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will be over, but you come in literally with a completely
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different lens. It's just you're not the same.
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Yeah, especially like you said, you can get out into like nature
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and see the sunrise and it says God made this, this beauty that
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how many of us are not enjoying because we're on our cell phone
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and in front of a screen all the time.
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We're not actually enjoying these things that are good for
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us that he designed for us and created for the oxygen and the
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sun and just the peace. And here in the during the birds
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chirp like it's just so like you said, it's sacred, it's
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peaceful. We also during the winter time,
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we love turn on the fireplace and just it's so great to start
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your day that way. Yeah, it's the stillness, right?
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And I think as someone who tends toward like fast moving, high
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energy energy, high productivity, high achievement,
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you know, output, especially if you're listening to this and
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that is your sort of default. It's even more important to
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connect and slow down Because for me, I, my brain it, it, it
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won't calm down unless I say, OK, we're going to sit down now.
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And then when you sit down, I mean, whoever's listening to
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this, whatever your faith is for me, like coming back to God,
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raised Catholic, just consider myself a kind of born again
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Christian. Like I'm, I'm hoping to get
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baptized again in the next year just because the stillness and
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the time that you set aside is completely transformative.
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So it sounds like you've built your whole life now around
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providing tools and safe spaces for people to, like, cultivate.
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Yeah, a life that involves Jesus more.
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Right? Like, wake up Jesus, people.
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How did you come up with that title?
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Yeah, well, if I back it up just a moment clue when you're
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talking about, I just want to mention priorities.
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You know, if you are, you know, obviously we are biased and we
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love Jesus, but you know, whatever your faith is here.
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It's like starting your day off right with that and with the
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priorities here that I've learned from church as it goes,
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God and then me selfishly me and then wife, kids and then
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spiritual family or family. So I need to treat it in that
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order. And for me for a decade and 1/2
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it was work and then me and then I think God was in there like in
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the top five. But why isn't we actually
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practicing it you somewhere. But now that I filtered through
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that, it's like I'd have to think I need to get from the
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source, my joy, my peace, my energy from God and to make sure
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I'm best and right to be my best for my kids, my wife, and then
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all my everyone else below that. And so with that, if that's my
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number one priority, I need to make sure it's done every day.
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And I know throughout the day, I'm going to get tired, I'm
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going to get distracted. I'm going to get, you know, off,
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you know, I'm going to get derailed.
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So when I get it done in the morning, not only does it make
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me best, it also gets out of my brain of another thing I need to
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check off of. Oh, I got to read my Bible
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later. Oh, I got to go exercise later.
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Then it's on your mind all day and you're worried and you're
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like, Oh my gosh. And it's just it's stressing you
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out almost. So also why you want to do it in
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the morning and why the titles wake up.
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So there's two reasons. So good transition. 2 reasons.
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I called it wake up Jesus people because I simultaneously want to
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help people wake up. If you're there's a lot of
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people right now who are just searching for that God designed
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this with a God shaped hole in our heart.
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So we're searching it for it in drugs, alcohol, relationships,
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status, income, and it's never enough.
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And then until you fill it with God, you still have that aching
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and that and that and that desire for more because it's
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it's not fulfilling as God is. So it's like, wake up.
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There's all these amazing Jesus people.
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And again, like you mentioned, Catholic, Lutheran, non
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denominational, whatever. What if we all woke up and
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united as one? What if we all rally together
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and love each other and talked about the 80 to 90% we can agree
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upon instead of the 10 to 20% we disagree upon?
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That's exactly the devil wants is to split us apart and divide
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us and so we can unite and wake up as warriors and know that
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this is a battle right now. When we're visiting earth right
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now, it is a spiritual battle and we are visiting.
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We're not. We're citizens of heaven.
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We're just visiting now for our 80 to 100 years on this earth.
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What are we going to do with it? And there's too many people in
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the stands that are just like I was in my 20s, a Sunday
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Christian who they go check it off, but they're not really
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walking with God. They're not really getting the
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most out of the relationship that God designed it to be.
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And so they're just, they're sleepwalking, they're zombies.
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So it's like wake, wake up. Let's be a bold warrior for
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Christ and let's unite together in that.
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And then simultaneously, like we already talked about it, it's
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get your butt up. Like stop sleeping and stop
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scrolling till midnight or watching TV.
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Like let's get up, let's win that day and let's wake up and
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rise so we can be good for everyone else in our life and be
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that like that light for everyone and be the example of
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Jesus as we do like. I love that answer because it it
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literally reframes of like when people say like I put my I'm
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putting God first, then myself, then sort of trickles into
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family. You go wait a second.
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At first it seems like, OK, my family is way down here, but who
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you who you become when you put God first, it'll trickle down in
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in a completely different way. It's literally.
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You're more graceful. You're happier.
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I mean the marriage and the parenting can go so much better
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if you start with that. It's it's literally it's it's
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quite life altering and I'm really excited to dive into your
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book because I'm at the point where I've, I think I started
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the morning thing for like not knowing how transformative would
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be kind of thinking, OK, yeah, I'm gonna well, I was going
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through some trauma too. So I was like, I'm up anyway.
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Like, you know, I was dreading the day.
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I remember like looking through the couple two years ago,
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remember looking through the shutters and just being like,
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oh, there's light. Like just I was like, I don't
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want to get up, you know. And then when you're up though,
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you're kind of like, wow, this is like something feels
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different. Like they're.
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And I think that's when God's presence was coming in because I
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was pretty broken. And it was like, what feels
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different in this? There's something special about
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this time. And then it all started, the
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healing started. So like people, it's not just
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about getting up early. It's literally it, it's life
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changing. And that's the premise of your
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book, like waking up metaphorically, literally, you
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know. So take me through parts of your
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book. So you've got yeah, kind of walk
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me through if someone's interested in getting this, what
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can they expect? Yeah, let's take a look.
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So Section 1 is a time to wake up.
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So some of the some of the titles are a new beginning,
22:28
right? Talk about my story a little
22:29
bit, the cost of being lukewarm and what happens if you're kind
22:33
of half in, half out and then awakening as a warrior also
22:36
known who's around you, who's influencing you?
22:39
Pursuing joy, the long lasting joy instead of the instant
22:42
pleasure and gratification and then setting life priorities,
22:45
which I kind of went over to. So that's like, hey, let's wake
22:48
up. That's a time to wake up.
22:50
And here's here's why. And then Section 2 is
22:53
disciplines of the Mighty. And so that's all about how your
22:57
mornings critical the components of a sacred start the necessary
23:01
night evening routines, talking about discipline, talk about
23:05
starting your day of Jesus, talking with other just
23:08
disciplines like and and fasting and worshiping.
23:16
And then the final section is the life of the brave, just
23:19
helping people dream again and have dreams and goals and
23:22
reminding them to be courageous, talking about the 44's challenge
23:25
to get them jump started into their new their new life.
23:28
And then the final mission, which is being loving God and
23:31
loving people and getting the word out.
23:33
So that's a really quick overview of the of the.
23:37
I love the cover. If you got to show that cover a
23:39
little bit because it's, you know, what really kind of
23:43
strikes me is in my journey again, grew up Catholic and was
23:49
very just sort of like rule based, you know, kind of trying
23:52
to do this, do that. And you know, but my parents dad
23:55
was raised Catholic, mom was Episcopalian and really the the
23:58
heart of it was they were trying to give me core values, right
24:01
about treating yourself well, treating others well, loving
24:04
God. What I found in the last six
24:06
months that I have realized, but I didn't understand that this is
24:10
literally a spiritual battle. Like I used to think, Full
24:14
disclosure. And I tell my friends from
24:16
church this, I go, guys, I used to think people like you were
24:20
kind of crazy. Like when you talked about in in
24:22
a nice way, kind of like, yeah, you're using the word demonic.
24:25
Like take it down. Like, come on, stop.
24:27
Like it's not that bad. And now I'm like, no, this is
24:32
real. Like the energies and the there
24:34
there is it is a spiritual battle.
24:37
So tell me about like. Yeah.
24:39
When did you realize that and how does that differ from like,
24:43
how does that inform how you move through the world, knowing
24:46
that it's like a spiritual battle versus not just like
24:49
getting? Totally.
24:51
Yeah. I always thought the Holy Spirit
24:52
was weird. My Nana is Assemblies of God, so
24:55
she'd speak in tongues and run around with tambourines and
24:58
stuff and just wasn't my thing. I didn't get it.
25:00
And then my parents raised me. Well, it was really good.
25:04
But we were not a nominational. Yeah.
25:07
And so, yeah, I would say I knew about it, but I didn't really
25:10
experience it and really understand like, yeah, this is
25:14
there's a whole spiritual realm. There's there's angels and
25:17
demons. This is real.
25:19
The devil is trying to do everything he can to distract us
25:22
and take us. So we're not a part of God's
25:26
Kingdom. So just the more podcasts I've
25:29
listened to, the more Bible reading I've done, the more
25:31
sermons I've listened to, the more things I've experienced.
25:34
And also the more I really just tapped into the Holy Spirit just
25:37
in the last like few years, yeah, I knew he was there.
25:41
But like when I actually like worship and raise my hands and
25:44
feel that presence and feel those moments of peace or joy,
25:50
it's just how you just can't explain it.
25:52
And so really just the last few years, Bree, there's been more
25:55
of me experiencing it and realizing, yeah, we are this is
25:58
a battle right in the Bible, the armor of God.
26:01
Talk about armoring up there is there is so much evil out there
26:06
and all social media and everything we hear now of like
26:10
all the think of all the horrible stuff that's going on,
26:13
all the sex trafficking, all of the the evil things people are
26:17
doing. You could we could get into.
26:19
I don't want to get into politics, but like political
26:21
stuff and then this stuff, it's like this.
26:24
This is not a normal human behavior.
26:27
They are. They are, they are.
26:29
It's it's, yeah, I believe it is, yeah.
26:34
Yeah, so. Well, and it's when you look at
26:37
it that way for me, it's like, I think adversity in any form of
26:44
life. You know, I've had all kinds of
26:46
guests on this podcast and I always say anyone can be a guest
26:50
as long as you're a human being. Because with becoming a human,
26:53
with a being a human comes adversity, right?
26:55
And like the Bible says, like it will, you're going to have
27:00
tribulations, right? But what was it one of the most
27:03
common? Tell me if I'm right, because
27:04
I'm I always say I'm like a baby Christian.
27:07
I'm like, they're like good job because I'm like, wait, I
27:10
learned that when I was 10 in church.
27:12
But I don't know. I don't think else they said the
27:14
term don't be afraid or do not be afraid or fear.
27:17
Not something like that is all through the Bible.
27:20
All through the Bible. Yep.
27:22
Be courageous. Don't be afraid.
27:24
I'm with you. So yeah, God does not say like,
27:28
so he created, you know, the world and there's going to be
27:31
natural disasters, there's going to be life.
27:34
People are going to die. Like you're going to have
27:36
stress, you're going to have ups and downs.
27:37
Things are going to happen when you're just like, what the heck?
27:41
And so he doesn't promise it's going to be perfect life.
27:45
But hey, you will go through trials and tribulations.
27:47
But I'm always there with you through the ups and downs.
27:50
I'm always there with you this while you're visitors on Earth.
27:54
Like this is not, this is not what it's designed to be.
27:57
This is what humans have done to this place.
28:00
That's why I keep trying to save everyone and I keep trying to
28:03
warn everyone I'm coming back at some point.
28:05
And there's a real heaven in hell.
28:06
So like, follow me. Love God, love people and know
28:11
that I'm with you through the ups and downs, through the sad,
28:13
through through the through the just miss like not
28:16
misunderstanding, but through the through the things that
28:19
don't make sense. Yes, yeah.
28:22
And that's beautifully said. Can you tell me for somebody
28:25
who's maybe maybe where I was two years ago when I was and
28:30
just, I think all of us can relate to that on your knees
28:33
moment where you're just like, I don't know, man, I don't know
28:36
about this one. Like there's too much like I
28:40
remember being in this room actually, but then feeling like,
28:44
wait, there's some somebody's here, something's here.
28:49
Like I'm not, This is so I feel so desperate, but I feel a
28:53
presence here with me being like, just breathe, call your
28:59
friend, just breathe right for you.
29:03
If someone's listening going like how do I know if God's
29:06
there? Like what does God, What does it
29:07
feel like for them? What how do you know?
29:10
And tell me if this is just a very personal question, but how
29:12
do you how? How do you experience God's
29:15
presence? Yeah, so I would say I'm someone
29:18
who I know my wife has visions and my wife hears from God.
29:22
I know for me I don't as much. So I also say there's a lot we
29:27
don't know, but there's also everyone's a little bit
29:30
different. So some people, they experience
29:32
them through just those feelings, right?
29:34
And things that we think just might be our conscience, you
29:37
know, Well, that could be the Holy Spirit, right?
29:39
And actually I'm in a guy's group, like a ACEO group of, of
29:43
entrepreneur Jesus guys. And I was just talking about,
29:47
yeah, I don't really hear from God.
29:48
Then I mentioned all the things that that I experienced.
29:51
He's like, you totally do. You're under spiritualizing it.
29:55
And then also the another like dinner, a dinner, meeting with
30:00
some other friend, couples from church.
30:03
You're talking about how like, yeah, I don't know if I really
30:06
see visions or I don't really hear from God as much.
30:09
But then I'm telling them what I believe is going to happen.
30:11
What, you know, what I believe is going to happen with the
30:14
church or with these people or whatever.
30:15
It may be a situation that usually comes true.
30:19
They're like, that's yeah, you're hearing from from God.
30:21
So I don't audibly hear from him, but I would say just that
30:25
peace and joy that I feel when I'm in prayer, when I'm in the
30:30
Bible, when I'm worshiping, I feel at most when I'm
30:33
worshiping. And side note, you think about,
30:36
you know, the, the, the the devil was the worship leader up
30:41
in heaven before he, you know, came down and took third of the
30:45
angels with him. So think about just the music
30:47
that is like demonic and all that out there.
30:50
Like we are being controlled our feelings with music.
30:52
And so I feel it most when I'm at church in worship, hands
30:57
raised, just submitting to to God and not worried about anyone
31:01
around me and just feeling that sometimes it's tingly, but a lot
31:05
of times it's just this overwhelming.
31:06
It's like a flow of like of just like just peace and joy and
31:13
little tingly. That's how I would say I
31:15
experience him most. I love that.
31:19
And that's that's what I have started to feel going to church
31:22
since April. I went on this retreat, had a
31:26
really amazing experience with these women and then went to
31:30
church and was like, whoa, what is this mute this music?
31:34
It just was like so vulnerable and so real.
31:39
And you can just feel everybody's bringing whatever
31:42
adversity, whatever pain they have.
31:43
And you're just, it's a beautiful experience.
31:46
Like the music, you know, I also experience a lot, like through
31:51
just connecting with people. And I get chills a lot.
31:53
Like I'm like, it's not cold. There's no way, like even a lot
31:58
just now, I get floods of chills all the time when I'm like, but
32:03
no, I just love, I love hearing how different people experience
32:09
God because, yeah, a couple people at my church, one of them
32:12
sees angels, one of them, she hears things.
32:17
Another one has visions. And people are like, oh, yeah, I
32:20
don't. But I know they know.
32:22
They can feel how people feel and intuitively know when to
32:25
call. And hey, I was just thinking
32:27
about you. When that person's like having a
32:29
breakdown, you know, it's all these little connections and
32:31
intuitions. It's actually God.
32:34
We talked a little bit before. So you are.
32:37
Tell me more about this new church.
32:39
Sure. So you've got the book, you've
32:41
got 40 Forge, you've got YouTube channel, you have Instagram, all
32:48
these different ways you are helping to spread the word of
32:52
God and also bring your skills through your sales career.
32:56
And you're just mentoring, connecting with people.
32:59
It it sounds like you're at a really exciting time in life.
33:03
I am, yeah. Very exciting time.
33:05
But what's been exciting about it is this just submitting and
33:11
two years ago about when I got that demotion and I said, all
33:14
right, perfect, I'm going to stop building my Kingdom and
33:17
start building God's Kingdom more as a focus.
33:19
It's just been, it's amazing how God has worked in, in and
33:24
through myself and my wife. And so just what's happened with
33:27
your young adults ministry? Yeah, the growth with those
33:30
people and the growth in the numbers has been awesome.
33:33
The courage and commitment to writing the book and the journal
33:37
and the 40 Forge program, It's just, yeah, it's like all led to
33:40
this point. And so we're doing something
33:43
crazy. We never like in this how I know
33:44
it's God, because if if it's going to happen on my own will
33:48
versus God has to be in this for it to happen.
33:51
It really helps me be excited. I'm still nervous.
33:55
I'm still scared, but it's like if all these people in the Bible
33:59
can do these life or death commitments or have these
34:03
challenge or courageous moments, I can't move, you know, 30 hours
34:09
away to help build a church that we love and are a part of.
34:14
Why not? So, yeah.
34:15
So three years ago our pastors came to us and said, hey, we're
34:18
looking to plant churches. We've gotten a vision.
34:20
We want to go to five cities. I think it's so Vancouver and
34:24
then Detroit, LA, Portland, Seattle.
34:28
So they, they had a, they had a little meeting and said, hey,
34:31
who's opened maybe helping us expand?
34:34
So our title of the church or our, our mission statement is to
34:37
bring the life giving message of Jesus to the 92-O and beyond.
34:40
That's our area code 92 O. And so we had a beyond crew and
34:45
we were open to it three years ago.
34:46
And then they were looking around trying to find out the
34:50
the next city and trying to find leases and all that.
34:52
And there's a couple years of just like nothing, nothing.
34:55
So we thought, OK, I'm thinking God, all right, this is like an
34:58
Abraham moment where you want to see if he'd sacrifice his son
35:01
Isaac. Is he really going to do it?
35:03
Is he committed? OK.
35:04
And then he didn't have to God, God stopped it.
35:07
Just wanted to see if he's all in.
35:09
So I'm like, all right, sweet. And I do not like change.
35:12
I don't like I'm all about convenience.
35:15
And I had a hard time moving 30 minutes from a city away to
35:19
where we are now when after wife and I got married and we were
35:22
looking for for a home. So that now we are open to going
35:26
across the country is is all God.
35:28
And yeah, basically got real like four months ago where a
35:31
pastor's like, hey, we got a a lease is ready to be signed.
35:35
Are you guys really in or not? Because we'd love some help.
35:38
So we're like, Yep, we're in. And that's been so cool to see
35:42
God work and see everything that's happened brief from three
35:46
years ago to now. And it's like God was like, hey,
35:50
are you all in Cool. Now we're going to start working
35:52
on you. So clear out the, the drinks and
35:55
the gummies, clear out my, my pride and my focus on my title
36:00
and building my Kingdom. And then get, get some content
36:03
out, I guess with books and journals and then young adults
36:07
ministry and watch my wife and I work together and grow this
36:11
thing and impact people. So we have more confidence and
36:14
courage to help the church that's going to be out there.
36:17
Just it's all God all the way through it.
36:19
And that's just us, let alone the other people involved in
36:21
that. So we're so excited to take the
36:23
road trip out there and see what see what happens.
36:27
And again, with just submitting and surrendering and going.
36:30
All right, God, what's next? It's exciting.
36:33
And it's there's no pressure. Everything's off because it
36:36
doesn't matter. It's all God's plan.
36:38
He's not going to call us out there for it to crumble or for
36:41
us to struggle. There's going to be ups and
36:43
downs, right? There's anything but.
36:46
Yeah, it's all right. What are you up to?
36:47
God? This is we see.
36:49
We see what you've been doing. Let's let's go.
36:52
Really cool and, and, and what a great service to do.
36:57
I know all of those cities and well, every city in the world
37:00
needs more of God, but in particular, you know, the cities
37:04
in America that really need some extra love, right?
37:07
And then because because it is a battle zone down here in a lot
37:11
of ways. And you know, it's just once you
37:16
get on this road. And I think I'm at the very
37:18
beginning because this podcast has evolved into it was funny
37:22
when I was at this retreat in April, just kind of reminds me
37:26
of like your journey where you're like, OK, it's been a
37:29
podcast about adversity. And everyone knows I've been
37:31
always been spiritual and into quotes.
37:33
But I was at the retreat and this this girl said she goes,
37:37
oh, is it like a Christ LED podcast?
37:39
Is it like Christ centered? Is it?
37:40
And I remember being like, I think it is now after this
37:43
experience, like, and then literally a week later I was
37:46
adjusting the design on Canva and I was like, you know what,
37:50
putting a cross up there because I took this hike on this.
37:52
It's a whole story when I was like, it is now like you just is
37:57
now after I've experienced, I experienced the Holy Spirit
38:00
there and I'm like, whoa, I get it now.
38:03
I get what everyone was talking about.
38:05
I didn't get it. I didn't feel it before, but I
38:07
wasn't open to. I was like, it's when you submit
38:10
and you go all right, like I, I can't, I'm screwing myself up
38:15
here. I need I need you.
38:16
He's like, all right, let's go. Yeah, finally, Bree, let's go.
38:22
It's like I've been waiting. Tell me what you think about
38:25
this. I heard again, I'm all over the
38:27
place, but I think essentially this is all the conversation of
38:31
what your book is about. You know, wake up Jesus, people.
38:34
What your church is about, what all your content is about is
38:38
like getting back to God and incorporating God into your
38:41
daily life, right? Would you say, tell me about
38:45
this? Because people say, you know,
38:48
how do you have such faith if you know God brought you, you
38:51
know, you came to God through this horrible situation or
38:54
experience like that doesn't sound very loving.
38:57
And I heard someone say like, yeah, because I you finally pay
39:02
attention. That's the little things, the
39:05
little God nudges. They're like, OK, she's not
39:07
getting it. And then it, it, it, it's in
39:12
your broken moments. It's interesting how you find
39:15
God. What do you think about that
39:18
when people. Say, yeah, I would say yeah, for
39:20
sure God wants. I mean, we are his children.
39:23
He wants us just to love him and to follow him.
39:26
It hurts him so much to see us living in sin and to be making
39:31
mistakes. And again, all the commandments
39:34
and things, if you look at it more of, of like success tips
39:38
versus rules, it changes the whole game.
39:41
Yeah. And there's a lot of
39:42
denominations or, or just people who think, oh, it's all about
39:46
the rules and regulations. No, those are guardrails for us
39:49
to protect us in this world because it's not easy.
39:52
And here's how to let you know. Be be great and enjoy this time
39:58
while you're here. And then follow my ways.
40:01
And he'll speak to you and the, the, the road map is there in
40:04
the Bible and a lot of a lot of Bible believe in churches have
40:07
it there with the support for you.
40:08
But until you hear him, it's going to keep getting worse.
40:12
And so he's going to send some feathers right your way.
40:15
And if you bucked him off, you're like, Oh, no, those no,
40:18
those are just in my way. And if you're getting bricks
40:20
thrown at ya and you're still not stopping or listening like
40:23
that Mack truck is going to come in and and get them is going to
40:27
knock you out. And most of the time it's when
40:29
you're so broken, you're on your knees and you're just like
40:32
submitting and going, OK, I've tried this on my own, I'm done.
40:37
God, I need you. And so I don't believe
40:42
necessarily that he causes all of that, but it's, it's allowed
40:46
until for the greater good of waking someone up.
40:49
So like my wife, her mom died of breast cancer a while ago and
40:54
that was such a transformative moment for her.
40:56
She was spiritual and like she was into like some of the like
41:00
the tarot cards and all that stuff too.
41:02
And like all like this chakras, like the spiritual stuff.
41:06
But it was she was searching and with her mom's faith and then
41:10
her mom passing away, horrible thing.
41:13
But if that created my wife and my wife's family and everyone we
41:18
influenced to be in heaven, it's all for the greater good and her
41:22
mom's in heaven smiling down her going keep going, keep keep
41:26
doing it. And my wife now she she's on
41:28
staff as a pastor as well. And so it's like you think about
41:32
that. She would not one we wouldn't be
41:34
married because she wouldn't be. We connected over Jesus right
41:37
away. That was the foundation of my
41:39
next person because I had to call off the other Yeah,
41:43
wedding. But it's like God's going to
41:46
speak to you, however he needs to get your attention.
41:49
And as you're going through these tough moments, it also
41:52
allows you to be a messenger for him because now you know exactly
41:58
what they've gone through, right?
42:00
Your best audience, the best person you can help is someone
42:02
who was you. And so there's some of the
42:05
phrases you like, quotes. It's God uses your mess for his
42:10
message, right? He uses people who have gone
42:14
through something help people who are going through something,
42:18
right. It's just it's all part of, you
42:21
know, helping everyone wake up, follow him and it's sometimes
42:26
people you need a couple map trucks so they.
42:31
Absolutely no 100% and we had talked a little bit before we
42:37
got on the podcast. For me, that Mack truck moment
42:40
was just kind of realizing the situation I was in with like a
42:45
narcissistic abuse, abusive relationship that I was just
42:51
entangled in. And looking now two years later,
42:56
I mean, the level of joy and depth I have now is I couldn't
43:02
have been here, right? So it was a tough way to get
43:05
there. However, I know it's for the
43:07
greater good now. I know because I see who I've
43:10
become. I'm a different person.
43:12
I see where the podcast is going.
43:14
I just see the he always, they always say, right, God takes it
43:18
something that was meant for harm and turns it into good.
43:21
And I see that now. And we had briefly talked about
43:24
you have experience with the effects of a narcissist,
43:31
anything that you are comfortable sharing.
43:33
A lot of the audience the podcast is recovering from
43:36
narcissistic abuse, or maybe they don't even know they're
43:39
experiencing it, but. Sure what?
43:42
What has been your experience and how has God helped you
43:45
through that? Yeah.
43:46
So if you have someone in your life who is, yeah, who's a
43:51
narcissistic person, it's, I feel like everything God's at
43:56
the center. So I'm going to go back to, to,
43:58
to God here is like man just to pray for them and to pray for
44:02
the peace and joy and pray that they are going to find Jesus.
44:07
And if they already know Jesus, that therapy is going to help
44:10
and things are going to happen to help them.
44:13
But also you got to set boundaries.
44:15
So there's been multiple talks about boundaries and about what
44:20
is acceptable behavior. And if they don't like, it's
44:23
like, sorry, this is these are the boundaries we're, you know,
44:28
in our relationship for this to continue.
44:31
This is going to be what's expected.
44:34
Yeah. And so, yeah.
44:36
And just treating that person with love, knowing that we are
44:39
all, we're all human and we're all broken from the sin in the
44:44
world and from our parents who did their best.
44:47
And so if you're dealing with someone, whether it's a loved 1,
44:50
you know, a parent, a friend, it's like knowing like, OK, this
44:54
is probably stemmed from something, some kind of abuse,
44:57
most likely. Yeah, back.
44:59
And like, hurt people hurt people, right?
45:02
And there's a lot of people that are stuck in there when they
45:04
were hurt or abused at three years old or 10 years old.
45:08
And so it's like they're just doing their best with the tools
45:10
that they have and that stunted growth has caused them to like
45:15
react a certain way and be narcissistic or be the way they
45:18
are. So of course, I'd say to
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encourage them to get help, speak to them in truth and love
45:26
and give them grace because half the time they don't even know
45:28
that they're doing it. And if they're doing it and
45:31
you're not saying anything, that's your fault.
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Be right. It's like you got to tell them
45:34
and let them know because we all have those blind spots and some
45:37
people it's the narcissistic tendencies or it's just
45:42
something else. They're struggling.
45:43
With anything they need to be well people, I think part of
45:47
being a Christian right is speaking your truth, speaking
45:52
the truth and I think I always think about like part of my
45:57
spirituality and thank you for kind of sharing that is just
46:01
trying trying to cultivate that forgiveness.
46:05
I will say it's quite challenging when you've gone
46:08
through narcissistic abuse, but I am going to continue trying my
46:13
very best because I know that if you really want to be like
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Jesus, I have to get there. And I have to see anyone who's
46:22
hurt me as this little child because we are all little
46:25
children. Like God wants us to come to him
46:27
that way. So if I've been given grace, I
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have to give grace. And I'm getting there.
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I'm getting there, but I have a ways to go.
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Yeah. And for me, it's easy to forgive
46:37
them, but not to forget. And this will get triggered.
46:41
And what I have to also remember is like they've come, they've
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they've made progress. They've come a long ways in some
46:46
of the conversations in the boundary threat.
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So it's like, let's give them grace.
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Let's pray that I don't get triggered.
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Let's also pray that they remember some of the things we
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talked about and that, you know, that's better.
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But it is a process. It's like anything.
46:59
And so, yeah, I mean, really with God, it's it makes it
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possible. I know I mean bless you if if
47:06
you can do it without God, but man, there's so many things I
47:08
cannot do unless if I had God. Yeah.
47:13
And what I, what I've realized and I think what your book is a
47:17
great tool, I think for somebody, for any of my
47:20
listeners that are going through that, just that reclaiming of
47:24
self, whether it was narcissistic abuse or anything,
47:26
being lost in your job and being like, OK, if you're listening to
47:29
this and you're like, OK, I'm open, I'm open.
47:31
You need God and you need sort of a framework to get you to
47:35
just get you moving literally from the beginning of the day.
47:39
So I can imagine if you're doing these exercises in the morning
47:43
and having that sacred start, if and when you are triggered by
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you, I mean me, you, you're like, wait, I prayed about this
47:52
this morning. I talked to God about this.
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We went through this scenario already.
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Here it is, right? Oh yeah.
47:59
Oh yeah. On the way, on the way to
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advance or on the way to to meeting that person.
48:02
It's like praying at the Holy Spirit works miracles that this
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person doesn't get under your skin or that you can just show
48:10
them so much love and grace and that they also aren't as bad as
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they used to be. Yeah, I got to tell you, I have
48:17
started praying before meetings like I have.
48:20
I have my corporate job. I work for service now.
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And this is this is as my inner critic tells me, this is my
48:26
little wannabe podcast on the side.
48:28
People used to ask me, oh, you have a I'm like, no, I'm not
48:30
really. It's just I'm just it's nothing,
48:33
you know? But now I'm like, yes, it is a
48:34
podcast and I talk about God and it's great.
48:37
Like you have to, you know, love yourself.
48:40
But where was I going with that? There was a point to that
48:43
question. I've found myself integrating
48:47
God into not just the Sunday Christian, but literally being
48:51
like, OK, I have a big meeting or a meeting in general.
48:54
I prayed before this part. I pray before it all now, but I
48:58
used to think it was funny. I'd be like free, you're praying
49:00
before a call about an IT issue or whatever.
49:03
I'm like, no, I'm praying. Help me connect and be authentic
49:07
and send a message that if you don't know what people are going
49:10
through on the other side of the call.
49:12
So talk to me about talk to me about how people can or how in
49:17
your experience, how saying little prayers are talking to
49:21
God throughout the day. So you have the sacred start.
49:24
How do you incorporate God in those busy moments when you're
49:28
doing this? You're on a call, you're moving
49:29
the kids, you're planning the church, you're How do you keep
49:34
him as a constant stream? Sure, a few ways.
49:37
So the the main thing for me as I think about it is worship
49:40
music. I don't really listen to
49:42
anything except for worship music and it's just in the car
49:44
around the house while I'm working out everything.
49:47
It's worship music and it's just So what it fills my mind and my
49:51
body with my soul with makes me better prepared to go into those
49:55
calls and to those moments of parenting or whatever it may be.
49:59
Definitely. I prayed, yeah, I prayed before
50:00
this podcast. I prayed before all the moments
50:02
because I want the power of the Holy Spirit to come through and
50:05
for me to also be prepared and remember what's important here
50:09
and not be all about me, you know, but how can I serve and
50:13
you know, going into tough conversations with my spouse or
50:16
tough work meetings for sure. I want, if I'm a Jesus believing
50:20
person, I want all the help I can get.
50:23
And if you think about prayer, you know a lot it's and there's
50:26
some cool things in social media now and the way AI works, things
50:29
you can see like some cool visuals of like you praying and
50:33
like, you know, angels coming in, stop in.
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I love that one. It's literally you praying on
50:39
your bed and angels drop in and start fighting and I'm.
50:43
And that's what it's like. They are sent on a mission.
50:45
When you pray, it's like little arrows of angels being sent on a
50:49
mission. And there's unbelievable things
50:51
happening, I mean, all the time, But now even more, we're aware
50:54
of it because of social media and and the Internet of like
50:57
there's miracles happen all day, every day.
50:59
And how many people had to pray for that, right?
51:02
There's the, I forgot to say it, maybe Mark Patterson, but just
51:06
basically like the unfortunate thing is how many answered
51:10
prayers are waiting that just were never prayed?
51:12
How many dreams were never accomplished because they were
51:15
never prayed. And so the more you can pray
51:17
before anything, even if it's a placebo effect, right?
51:21
If you go in knowing I got Jesus on my side, I'm ready to roll.
51:25
I'm going in this with more love or more confidence.
51:27
Whatever it is, you'll do better.
51:30
It's such a, it's such a great, great energy because that Jesus
51:35
energy that just there's no condemnation.
51:39
It's all love it, but it's strength.
51:42
It's all of those things, right? And I know we're coming up to
51:47
the top of the hour here. I'd say another little fun thing
51:50
if I can add, but I'll do and I'm looking for long syndrome.
51:53
I have them on my desk, but I'll have in my car or my backpack.
51:57
I know those little tiny Jesuses.
51:59
You've seen those. Yes, those are awesome.
52:01
I love. I got one on the retreat.
52:05
That's so funny that you said I'll.
52:07
Plop them around little restaurants or at the gym or at
52:10
a conference and it's awesome. It's so fun.
52:13
So it also keeps on your mind. You're like, how can I give a
52:16
little Jesus to to someone or just it's just a fun little
52:20
reminder as well. And those little things, no,
52:23
they're sound like a powerful prayer.
52:25
But hey, it's just that Jesus is on your mind, is a part of your
52:28
life, and you're trying to also let others know.
52:31
Yeah, no, amazing. And I, I, I, I know I always say
52:37
this at the end of every podcast, there's so many like
52:40
tunnels I want to go down. And you know what we're going to
52:42
have to do when you're settled in Seattle, we'll have to do
52:45
another podcast, maybe from your new church telling us how our
52:49
things are going. And no, I just again, I want to
52:54
1st thank you for connecting, for coming on the podcast, for
53:00
telling your story. And also just I want to remind
53:05
people of the resources that are available, right?
53:08
So look in the show notes, your book Wake up Jesus people, Jason
53:13
Heinrichs, you have 40 forge a page on Instagram.
53:18
Then you have your page. I'll put all the links to your
53:21
YouTube, all the things, but I think your message is God is God
53:27
is here for us, we are here for each other.
53:30
And I think if we're all like tapped into God, there's so many
53:33
amazing things we can do. Yeah.
53:35
Right. So anything you want to leave us
53:38
with beyond that? I would say if you are, yeah,
53:42
I'd say whether it's my resources or other resources,
53:46
there's so many great resources out there.
53:48
And the biggest resource is your local church.
53:51
And you're looking to just check this thing out, this Jesus thing
53:55
out. Like there's a great local
53:56
church near you with your denomination that you can go
53:59
check out, check out other churches, check other
54:00
denominations. And if, if, if some church hurt
54:04
or some person hurt you or stopped you from pursuing him,
54:08
that's not God, that's a hurt person or that's a bad church.
54:13
So just know that the, the community, that peace, the joy,
54:18
the people to do life with is is at your local church.
54:21
And so get in, get involved, meet people, join life groups,
54:25
buy resources, because this is the most important decision you
54:30
can ever make. And sometimes you just got to be
54:33
hit with a few bricks and a few Mack trucks before, you know,
54:36
you check it out or get reinvested or reignited.
54:39
But you know, my hope and pray that all of you listening don't
54:42
get hit by map trucks and you you go check things out or you
54:46
just there's a lot of things that are confusing.
54:48
There's a lot of things I don't have answers to, but just go to
54:52
church, see how you feel. Do you feel better?
54:54
Are the people nice? Can you find extra friends?
54:58
Just go check it out because he loves you.
55:01
He's waiting there for you and we're all on a journey just
55:04
trying to do our best as well. Well, please go check it out.
55:08
Wake up, Jesus, people. I know I'm gonna be ordering it
55:12
and I'm gonna be posting. You know what?
55:13
I'm gonna post a few reels. I'll do my sacred start and I'm
55:17
gonna be accountable because, you know, you got to.
55:21
You got to do what you say you're going to do.
55:23
Yeah. Well, thank you, Jason.
55:25
And I can't wait for this to come out.
55:27
I know it's going to really touch some people who might be
55:29
going through some stuff. Yeah.
55:31
Thanks, Bree. Thanks for having me.
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You take care.