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  Damn, are you serious? When I was young I found out I
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  had sickle cell trait. My mom's told me but I ain't
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  have no knowledge of it. But when I got older I had a
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  child. The doctor told me my daughter
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  has sickle cell. Trait do.
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  You know the fact that both panels have sickle cell trait.
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  There's a 50% chance the child may have the trait and 25%
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  chance the child may have the disease.
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  And that's what's the count. Do you know that 2.5 million
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  people in the United States have sickle cell trait?
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  300 million people globally. I didn't find out I had sickle
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  cell trait till I was in the army 10 years.
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  Next thing you know I had a sickle cell trait exertion site.
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  A simple cell. I thought that was a black gene
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  or something. Nah, man, the black community is
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  number 21 out of 36,000 babies are being born with sickle cell
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  disease. You could be Caucasian,
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  Mediterranean, European. You don't know your bloodline,
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  man. There is an inherited gene in
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  our community that has been forgotten.
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  The name is sickle cell trait. WDCONSCT, also known as What's
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  the Count, is out to bring awareness, education and
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  prevention to people all over the globe.
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  information. All right, good afternoon and
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  And I believe that's it. I, I put the blog talk show on
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  hold for now. I got enough talk shows right
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  now. What else?
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  It is World Sickle Cell Day, so we're going to be talking about
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  Juneteenth, but it is World Sickle Cell Day as well, June
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  19th. So yes, if you look behind me
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  over there, that is my 'cause I advocate for sickle cell
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  training, sickle cell disease mainly for myself, sickle cell
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  trait because I have the trait collapse in the military from
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  sickle cell trait exertion with rhabdomyolysis.
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  If you've seen athletes, military personnel, people
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  exercising, hanging out in Denver, Co, skiing, places where
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  the oxygen is thin. People have had complications
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  with sickle cell trait hasn't really been addressed over these
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  years. The main conversation has been
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  just make sure you don't make with another person with sickle
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  cell trait because you can have a baby with sickle cell disease
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  and then that creates sickle cell disease conversations.
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  However, with sickle cell trait, there are risk factors, some
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  known risk factors around sickle cell trait and I experienced two
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  of those. I've had pain in my left arm
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  since I was two years old. And then also I collapsed in
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  2006, which ended my military career around sickle cell trait
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  exertion. So that is very important is it
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  is a global conversation. United States, about 3.5 to 4
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  million people have sickle cell trait and millions still don't
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  know in this country. But also globally 300 million
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  people plus have sickle cell trait and those numbers are
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  million more still don't know that they're trait carriers.
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  And again, they're not aware of the risk factors because of what
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  we've been told by the medical community.
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  So there are known symptoms and complications and things that
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  can lead to sudden death, even the rare kidney cancer that's
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  connected to sickle cell trade as well.
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  So I didn't want to focus on all that today.
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  I, I did some stuff on Saturday, me and Jody went to an event.
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  We did the Battle of the Gene song, shared our stories, and
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  then promoted shouts out to Trudy for long enough to be a
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  part of that Saturday. But yes, today is the official
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  day of World Sickle Cell Day. So I got to give shouts out for
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  that. However, however, it is
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  Juneteenth and that's the title of this episode.
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  I have my guy Caldwell Williams here.
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  I met Caldwell in 2018 interviewing the World War 2
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  veteran. He's a Korean era veteran.
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  And after I got done with the interview, we connected and I've
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  been working with him ever since with his curriculum around
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  goals, tend, goaltenders. And I'm just learning his
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  conversation, such a powerful dialogue because most of the
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  time we focus on, you know, communication, talking to one
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  another. But do you ever focus on the
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  listening of one another and how important is that?
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  We think we are good listeners, but if you're listening to
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  defend or you're speaking to offend, do you recognize that?
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  And maybe you don't. As far as veterans, we deal with
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  some type of identity crisis. But however, that is a human
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  being flaw. We're all looking for our
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  purpose, our passion, our gifts. What's next?
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  Why am I here? Why am I born like we're all
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  looking for that. So in this particular
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  conversation for Juneteenth, Caldwell's 90 years old, and
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  he's going to tell you about his family coming from Texas.
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  I believe this is a very fitting discussion for today because
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  there's celebrations all over the country today.
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  But what's next? What's next in this Juneteenth
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  conversation? You know, I think about when I
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  looked at the Bible passages about Moses and the Israelites
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  and how they walk that wilderness for 40 years.
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  A, a, a 30 day walk took them 40 years because of what?
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  Because they were enslaved for over 400 years.
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  And then coming into the desert, the wilderness, with Moses,
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  attempting to show them that God was going to take care of them,
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  miracles every day, but their mindsets were still in Egypt.
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  They were complaining that they would rather be in Egypt.
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  Why are we out here, Moses? So what happened if you read
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  that passage, that generation died off, right?
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  God didn't just destroy them. He let that generation die off.
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  And the next generation that was born, guess what?
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  They weren't born in Egypt. They were born in the
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  wilderness. So they had a different mindset
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  than their ancestors who were born in Egypt that was enslaved.
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  So that generation 40 years later was able to go into the
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  promised land because of why? Because their mindset didn't
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  have the emotional charges, the emotional wounds, as Caldwell
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  says, the fractures of our integrity.
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  They didn't have that. They acknowledged their
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  ancestors that died in those forty years, but they were able
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  to listen, have the confidence and courage to move on into the
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  wilderness. I mean out of the wilderness to
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  the promised land. But why though?
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  Because even when they got to the promised land, Canaan, they
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  still had things that they had to come up against.
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  Now, Can you imagine that first generation, the 40 years going
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  into the promised land with the upset and the frustrations of
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  why they out in the wilderness? Why we doing this?
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  Why, why we this Moses, why we doing this and then had to then
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  take on all the other stuff that they were had to create.
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  You know, they had to to go through, they had to be able to
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  be have a new mindset because they had to create their own way
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  when they got to that land. And I relate that to our
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  community as blacks, because I believe that sometimes there's
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  some of us not right or wrong, but we still have this mentality
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  that we're upset about what happened in our to our
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  ancestors. And it's not wrong that you're
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  you could be upset, but then what's next?
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  It's our turn. I don't have that mindset called
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  Caldwell right now is the closest that I could get to
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  someone who had their parents, who was first generation free of
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  slaves. So he has some direct connection
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  to slavery from his parents. And you're going to hear that
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  from him today. But also you're going to hear
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  about how can we move this conversation forward?
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  There's nothing wrong with being upset and frustrated and
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  whatever that is. But then it's our turn and he's
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  going to share with you what it looks like for us to take that
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  next step, right, to move that conversation forward so that my
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  grandson and my granddaughter is not going to have to deal with
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  this when they get my age at 50. They don't have their own things
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  to deal with for their generation, but I don't want
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  them to have to deal with the stuff that we're dealing with
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  today. I can tell you that my
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  grandfather on my my dad's side and my grandfather on my mom's
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  side, two different conversations.
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  My grandfather on my dad's side was a child post slavery and he
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  taught his children. I'm going to teach you how to be
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  independent so you don't depend on the white man.
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  My mom's dad, my grandfather, he put that stuff behind him and he
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  created his own way for his family, got into the church and
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  taught us. And you find you make your own
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  way. Don't worry about what happened
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  about that. Make create your own, top your
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  own path. What that did for my dad?
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  My dad thought that he was racist.
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  For 60 plus years, my dad thought he was racist.
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  Why? Because what we don't realize as
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  parents that sometimes when we talk to our children about these
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  things in the world, we're also planting that seed in their
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  subconscious mind to look out for those things.
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  So Can you imagine? My dad's 8 years old going
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  through life being independent. Yeah, he was independent, but
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  also in the background listening and looking for, not to depend
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  on the white man. And that 60 year span had my dad
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  thinking he was racist until he and I had a conversation.
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  I'm like, man, you are not racist.
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  You might be prejudice, but you're not racist.
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  And he and I had a heart to heart talk before he passed.
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  And I asked him why are you racist?
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  And he gave me this whole story, a bunch of reasons, and I can
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  tell you that how I learned about if you're racist or not.
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  If you ask a person if they're racist and they give you a
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  reason, I'm willing to bet that we can have a conversation long
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  enough that that reason will disappear because that reason is
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  not their own influence. Sometimes these conversations
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  are influenced by our bloodline, by our families, by
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  conversations wanting to belong, being connected to people, like
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  whatever that is. And so my dad wasn't racist
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  because he gave me a reason. When I heard his reason, where
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  it came from, it was like, no wonder.
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  But my grandfather influenced that.
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  Not purposely. I mean, that was a talk that he
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  had with his children. But sometimes as parents, we put
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  things into our children's lives to protect them from what we
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  went through. And that's not even their worry
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  or their concern. And then they grew up with that
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  in the background of their mind trying to figure out and pay
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  attention to that survival thing.
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  So it doesn't happen to them. And it's not right or wrong.
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  We need those skills to survive, but what skills do we need to
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  live life? And it's different.
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  So I appreciate you for listening and tuning in.
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  I'm going to get right into it because my guy right here, man,
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  he is no joke. He has a curriculum that he's
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  been using for 60 plus years. I'm going to let him talk for a
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  little bit. Actually, we have his trailer
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  for his documentary that's going to be coming out shortly.
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  So let me introduce him and then we're going to play the trailer
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  and then we're going to go from there.
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  What's happening to Caldwell? I like what you had to say,
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  thanks. Appreciate you man.
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  Thank you. Thank you for taking time out
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  this afternoon to have this conversation about Juneteenth
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  and and what's next. I like to talk about what's
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  next, so introduce yourself, give give them a little bit.
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  I'm going to play the trailer and then we're going to just
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  dive right into June Juneteenth and how this conversation
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  relates to you. And then we'll get into what's
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  next, the second part of the show.
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  Let's do it. All right, so you do you want to
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  say who you are? You want to introduce, you want
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  to say something about the trailer.
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  What do you want to say? I'm number 10:50, Children born
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  to a first generation free couple in East Texas, a county
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  called Cass County. CASSI think it's one of the
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  largest counties in Texas and abuts the Louisiana border.
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  Our farm, which my parents were buying, was 25 miles from
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  Shreveport, LA and an equilateral triangle.
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  We're also 25 miles from Texarkana, and that now our farm
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  is the other point of that triangle.
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  And Juneteenth was in the whole county, every black in the
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  county, and we were all farmers. There were no cities in that
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  part of Texas. Juneteenth was a big event of
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  the year. In a gigantic open pasture,
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  people would congregate more than 1000 to to celebrate and
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  all the stuff that goes on during celebration.
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  And I remember we left Texas when I was 10 years old.
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  So this is my first ten years was a part of that environment.
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  And I remember they would truck, a truck would come with gigantic
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  blocks of ice because, you know, there was no refrigerator foams
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  or anything of that in the 30s, gigantic blocks of ice.
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  And at age approaching 60, I'm now 90, I found myself dealing
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  with a trauma that I experienced at the Juneteenth celebration.
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  Apparently I was, I had enough personality or intelligence or
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  something attractive that the teenager who was charged with
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  taking an ice pick and breaking the ice down chose me to help
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  him. Al, my brother, two years older
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  than me, felt he should have been chosen.
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  And so we struggle over the ice pick and I couldn't understand.
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  And I often had that kind of conflict with that brother.
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  You know, why are you so mean to me?
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  You know, I haven't done anything.
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  So with Sterling over the ice pick, my brother yanked it from
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  me and they wouldn't handle, hid him in his mouth and broke off
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  his two front teeth. We had no money for dentists, so
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  he went without dental care to those broken front teeth until
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  he joined the Air Force in 19, 50 I think it was.
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  And I suffered the guilt of that without it was so painful I
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  suppressed it and forgot about it and, and thought I was rid of
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  it. And when I finally got in touch
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  with it, I realized it was a source of a whole series of
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  pathological struggles in my life because I was suppressing
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  the guilt. And what I did in suppressing
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  the guilt was I projected it on him because I didn't feel, I
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  didn't want to feel the guilt. So what I created in my head
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  was, oh, he was mean. He was mean to me.
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  And so he deserved what he got. So that's how I that's how I
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  survived for 50 years until, until I got confronted by one of
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  my students who said, Caldwell, apply your own data to yourself.
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  And when he said that, I immediately recalled the the
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  incident that my mom. Did That's how powerful the
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  brain is. First step I had to do was and
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  what I did was forgave that young Caldwell who who did that
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  and and the pain was lifted. Wow.
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  And the nightmares ceased. I had been having nightmares all
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  of my life about my brother being mean to me to justify what
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  I did to him. And there's more.
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  There's more. So, so, so we're going to play
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  the trailer. It's a few minutes long, ladies
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  and gentlemen. And then we're going to come
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  right back and get into some of this Juneteenth.
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  And again, we're going to talk about what's next.
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  If you heard that story of what he shared about him and the
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  sibling, imagine that we all have some version of that in our
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  life that we haven't dealt with. Absolutely.
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  And that some of our behaviors are coming from some of those
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  guilts and shames and embarrassments and
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  disappointments in our self first, not just in the people,
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  but in our self. And self forgiveness is so
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  important. All right, so let's get right
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  into the trailer. This is going to be a Caldwell's
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  trailer of his documentary, and the document is almost finished
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  too. So, but this is the trailer that
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  we have. Check this out.
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  The most compelling social need of humans.
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  Is to belong all. Four of my grandparents were
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  born slaves, my father's father. He was seven years.
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  Old and sold away from everything and everybody he
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  knew, he never again saw any member of his family.
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  My father, he was born in 1884. His mother had died in
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  childbirth and he raised himself from age 8.
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  The sheriff came with his posse, took my father and my oldest
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  brother and beat them. My father died with scars on his
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  back from that beating. If the sheriff puts you in jail
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  in a Jim Crow S, where do you turn to seek justice?
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  I love school. I, I it became a source of me
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  finding myself when I'd graduated from UCLA in 1957 and
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  was never even able to get an interview.
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  No Jews, no Negroes, no Hispanics, no Orientals need
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  apply now. What do I do?
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  Boy, you add color to our faculty.
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  That's, that's all we're interested in.
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  All the other counselors were instructed to give me their
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  failing seniors, dopers, rebels, suicidals, listening to 12th
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  graders who were not going to graduate.
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  They told me what was going on in their lives.
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  I discovered that I had something to offer people that I
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  thought had everything. Wood was already out on the
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  campus, that the skinny black dude was cool.
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  I've got all these kids who want to talk to me and I don't have
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  the time to see them. I think I might be able to see
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  everybody if I saw them in groups.
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  Individual psychotherapy on a couch was the only method.
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  Skinny black dude want to do groups?
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  You can't do that because it doesn't exist.
• 25:45
  To hell with them, let's do it anyway.
• 25:48
  Parents want to know what are you doing to bring about this
• 25:52
  reaction to my kid? I've been sending my kids to the
• 25:54
  best psychiatrist in Southern California and this hasn't
• 25:56
  happened. This shit works.
• 26:03
  Developing adolescence without narcotics.
• 26:05
  Is a radical. New national idea.
• 26:09
  Oh, you know you can't do that. Alternative school that includes
• 26:14
  the sensitivity to the mental health needs of our students.
• 26:18
  This is too big for you. Would you be willing to?
• 26:22
  Train my managers, yeah. Who's called Williams?
• 26:27
  He hasn't published anything 22. Iraq, Afghan veterans committing
• 26:33
  suicide every day. I think I know who these young
• 26:38
  people are. Mr. Williams, you don't want to
• 26:41
  touch this. You don't know who we are, Mr.
• 26:47
  Williams. And I said, yes, I know who you
• 26:51
  are. Maybe you don't know who you
• 26:53
  are. Did your parents encounter
• 26:55
  racism? Oh, my gosh, yes.
• 26:59
  How about your grandparents? Oh my, even worse.
• 27:03
  Then how did we get here? Someone persisted and prevailed
• 27:08
  in spite of. I would assert that no less is
• 27:13
  required of us. I don't know, Caldwell, man,
• 27:38
  every time we watch that man, it's just more and more
• 27:41
  emotional just to get it to understand where, where our, our
• 27:47
  country has come from, right. So what do you want to say about
• 27:56
  Juneteenth before we get into some of these deeper levels of
• 27:59
  this topic? First off is that after 300
• 28:09
  years or so enslavement we who are descendants of those people
• 28:15
  like I am were re enslaved for another 100 years.
• 28:21
  They call it Jim Crow, but it was another form of slavery.
• 28:25
  And today, in 2024, people who look like you and me, who
• 28:34
  immigrated after being freed of slavery in the Caribbean and
• 28:40
  Central and South America and Africa, are way ahead of us in
• 28:47
  healing and being liberated and assimilating into the American
• 28:53
  economic machine. And I came out of retirement to
• 29:00
  deal with kids who were committing suicide from
• 29:03
  Afghanistan and Iraq and thought that my process of healing,
• 29:11
  which we can talk about a little bit later on, was related to me
• 29:16
  mastering standard English. Only recently, since I've been
• 29:22
  working with you did I realize, oh heck no, I'm not just
• 29:28
  standard English. Long time ago when I left
• 29:30
  elementary school, they programmed me for journalism as
• 29:33
  I went to junior high school. I didn't even know what
• 29:35
  journalism was, but that was a statement of the system.
• 29:39
  Well, this boy's got the English thing down, he said, right?
• 29:44
  They didn't say that to me. It might have affected my career
• 29:46
  if if I had known that, but that's a child and error.
• 29:51
  What I discovered was that it took me two years at UCLA, two
• 29:57
  years of college, before I had enough confidence to
• 30:02
  participate. I felt so inferior to the kids
• 30:07
  who surrounded me in the UCLA classrooms, whose father was
• 30:11
  teaching the class. My dad didn't look like that.
• 30:16
  My dad, born in 1884, whose mother died in childbirth when
• 30:21
  he was three. First generation 3 and I was
• 30:28
  healing from the genes that had were passed on to me, injured by
• 30:40
  the enslavement. And so in on this journey and
• 30:47
  the latter part of this journey, have I realized and identified
• 30:52
  the mindful injuries that exclusion inflicts on all of us.
• 30:59
  And it's generationally goes on. That's enough for me to say.
• 31:05
  So Juneteenth, that large pasture that the whole county
• 31:12
  would would gather in celebration and, and all kinds
• 31:15
  of things went on. Looking back, I could see
• 31:20
  teenagers and young people were looking for corners to to to
• 31:26
  pursue romance. Preachers were preaching and
• 31:30
  baseball players were playing baseball.
• 31:32
  All this was going on simultaneously and I remember
• 31:37
  there was a a a value placed on the farmer whose watermelon for
• 31:43
  ripe in time for Juneteenth. Oh my gosh.
• 31:46
  And and. So there's a planting season
• 31:49
  usually around Good Friday in April.
• 31:51
  And then the the anxiety was, you know, grow, grow, grow, get
• 31:57
  right, get right. So they'll be ready for
• 31:58
  Juneteenth. So that's my memory of
• 32:02
  Juneteenth was a celebration. Now in in the process of of your
• 32:09
  90 years and your and you developing your own curriculum
• 32:14
  and principles, your first statement about the sensible
• 32:20
  longing for human beings. Let's touch on that because that
• 32:24
  really is the core of. Your.
• 32:26
  Conversation so touch on how important the sense of belonging
• 32:30
  is for us as human beings. No matter what part of the point
• 32:36
  what track track comes from, exclusion is the basis for all
• 32:49
  punishment. Our fear of exclusion is greater
• 32:56
  than our fear of death itself. As a matter of fact, fear of
• 32:59
  death itself, when investigated, is related to us.
• 33:05
  Am I going to be in the right place or am I going to be in
• 33:09
  that group that, you know, that that's not treated so well?
• 33:17
  Fear of eternal exclusion from the, you know, from the good
• 33:22
  stuff. And we evolved cultures.
• 33:31
  They already formed. The culture was the tribe to
• 33:37
  which we could earn membership either by the way we look or by
• 33:44
  our participation in the in the work.
• 33:49
  When I was in my 30s, we, we bought a house just West of the
• 33:52
  UCLA campus in, in Westwood and we could walk to the campus for
• 33:57
  free lectures and, and, and and and they're like, and one
• 34:01
  evening and a lecture, a, an anthropological lecture, the
• 34:06
  lecturer said. When I was a young man, I
• 34:09
  apprenticed under an anthropologist who was doing
• 34:12
  research in in Peru in the high in the Andes Mountains.
• 34:18
  And I got to travel to Peru with this anthropologist and he said
• 34:24
  we he was dealing with a village on a plateau high in the Andes
• 34:29
  Mountains. There's a plateau at the end of
• 34:34
  which was a large building, and then little huts along the way
• 34:39
  where people lived. And the guides answered when we
• 34:46
  asked, what's that bigger building?
• 34:48
  What is it? That's our sacred space, you
• 34:51
  know, like a church, apparently. And he said on the facing, on
• 34:59
  each side of the opening to the sacred space was a large piece
• 35:04
  of wood with some carvings on it.
• 35:05
  That was clearly some statement. Well, what's the statement?
• 35:08
  Oh, those are our rules. What are the rules translated
• 35:16
  tell the truth on one side and the other side don't be lazy.
• 35:24
  And I got and I was was about, you know, 30 something years old
• 35:28
  at the time. But that impacted me both my
• 35:32
  head and my heart. I said, oh, that's our 10
• 35:36
  commandments stated in two sentences.
• 35:41
  Because it comes it all. It is the lazy man who covets
• 35:47
  somebody else's stuff instead of being.
• 35:52
  And it is to our detriment, a tendency to not tell the truth,
• 36:01
  to protect our behinds, which ultimately.
• 36:08
  So let's let's let's get into because I want to touch on the
• 36:11
  Jim Crow era because that is so significant before we get to how
• 36:15
  how we move on from that. But let's talk about that
• 36:21
  fracture of integrity that that you saw your family and even you
• 36:26
  had to heal with. We, we did an interview.
• 36:28
  We did an interview together and, and and the lady asked you
• 36:31
  how come you're not mad at the white people?
• 36:33
  Like she asked you like, why you're not mad, but talk about
• 36:36
  that. Like, yeah, coming from that
• 36:38
  part. They we're told we're supposed
• 36:44
  to be mad and predators who want to recruit us to their game or
• 36:51
  their game encourage that. I was working with a group of
• 36:57
  black 70 year old Vietnam Veterans, all of whom were
• 37:04
  seeking to rehabilitate their time in California prisons.
• 37:11
  Summary of that story. We were workers on plantation,
• 37:17
  Jim Crow plantations, cane fields in Louisiana, cotton
• 37:22
  fields in Mississippi when we were drafted into the military
• 37:26
  service and sent to Vietnam. At first we celebrated our
• 37:34
  upgrade in the standard of limit.
• 37:36
  One man said lunch in the cane fields was a tin bucket with
• 37:43
  syrup at the bottom and a biscuit.
• 37:50
  Three meals a day in the military, clean underwear,
• 37:52
  showers. Boy, this is better life.
• 37:58
  Until realizing that because we had no education, we were thrown
• 38:05
  in the front lines in the killing fields of the jungle.
• 38:11
  Now, this is not a better life. Popcorn was as I mean, heroin
• 38:18
  was as accessible as popcorn. They all became addicted to
• 38:24
  heroin because it emboldened them to do the killing of Goose.
• 38:32
  The leadership looked the other way.
• 38:35
  The leadership was predominantly white, young white man who had
• 38:43
  gotten there commissions in southern colleges and we're
• 38:53
  supporting and defending Jim Crow by carrying their stars and
• 38:59
  bars flagged with them even in the jungle.
• 39:01
  So beside their sleeping quarters, they would post their
• 39:06
  flag, right? And these 70 year old black men
• 39:11
  said we came to as addicted emboldened persons when we were
• 39:21
  offended by one of those crackers which they call these
• 39:24
  guys to slob a grenade. And the word fragging was
• 39:32
  invented and Washington Defense Department didn't want the
• 39:38
  public to know, but they experience these activities as
• 39:45
  losing control of their military.
• 39:48
  Went to Congress and said we need to get regain control of
• 39:51
  our troops. Cause in the streets parents are
• 39:56
  marching against the war, screaming against our
• 40:00
  participation. And in the jungle, our kids are
• 40:06
  killing one another and. Congress passed a law in 1973
• 40:14
  converting to an all volunteer service and since then a very
• 40:20
  thin sliver of the population among the non commissioned
• 40:28
  troops are kids from uneducated families.
• 40:33
  They're the matter of the race and and Department of Defense
• 40:39
  can do anything they want with them because their parents don't
• 40:43
  complain. In your documentary, you know,
• 40:47
  you mentioned about all the things that our ancestors went
• 40:50
  through, and now, you know, it's our turn.
• 40:54
  Yeah. Leading up to what it being our
• 40:58
  turn, what are what are some of the healing pieces of that past
• 41:04
  history? Do you think that we need to
• 41:06
  start? Thank you.
• 41:09
  I we've identified 3 skill sets crucial to one being able to
• 41:18
  navigate their own inclusion, their own assimilation in in the
• 41:23
  culture. And those skill sets include, I
• 41:30
  call it an organized, systematic approach to thinking and
• 41:35
  planning and executing. The broad term that I got
• 41:43
  exposed to growing up and in college was critical thinking.
• 41:51
  But the definition of critical thinking was so amorphous that
• 41:54
  every person I talked to had a different definition.
• 41:58
  I need something clearer. And, and that's how we came up
• 42:03
  with, I called it a road map, an organized systematic thinking
• 42:08
  and planning approach that applies universally, starting
• 42:13
  with turn that gives you a chance to look inside and see
• 42:22
  what path you're on and what do you want to do something about
• 42:25
  it. And the scriptures, the John the
• 42:35
  Baptist said repent synonym for turn OK.
• 42:44
  And I intentionally used turn because of the experience that
• 42:51
  many Americans have of being forced to participate and and to
• 43:03
  testify to get adults off their back to stuff that they didn't
• 43:08
  really experience. So there's a resistance to the
• 43:13
  presentation of religion to a lot of our.
• 43:16
  People. Sure.
• 43:17
  Yeah, for sure. And and so when you turn, you
• 43:25
  nobody externally is telling you which way to turn.
• 43:29
  And when you turn, you see, you see something, you see
• 43:33
  something. What do you want to do about it?
• 43:36
  And you get to make choices whether or not you do it and
• 43:44
  what what it is you do. Because when you take that step,
• 43:48
  trust yourself enough to take that step, another door opens up
• 43:53
  for you. You see options there.
• 43:59
  Pick one. Now we're talking about goal
• 44:03
  setting, 'cause you pick one and you pursue that, you'll get a
• 44:12
  result. You just you get the next
• 44:14
  picture and you're able to tell whether you are making progress
• 44:22
  toward that direction, which you turn.
• 44:25
  I'm moving. This is happening, and so the
• 44:32
  road map to achievement is a kind of a template.
• 44:41
  No matter what you're working on.
• 44:45
  You can go back to the second skill set is empowering
• 44:49
  dialogue, which I think is most important of all because it is
• 44:55
  language that identifies the tribe and that creates the
• 44:59
  culture. Culture.
• 45:01
  Language. Yes, language, language.
• 45:04
  And I say empowering dialogue because dialogue that empowers
• 45:14
  is dialogue that includes both the very word dialogue that
• 45:19
  means to speaking and listening. And we are deficient in our
• 45:30
  training, in our listening skills training.
• 45:35
  Nobody listening to this voice and private or public schools
• 45:43
  from kindergarten through graduate degree had a course in
• 45:49
  listening. That is a new phenomenon that's
• 45:53
  now emerging at the same level that mindfulness is finally
• 45:57
  emerging a century later. I don't want to diminish the
• 46:05
  importance of speaking because the way we speak creates a
• 46:11
  condition for the other person to feel safe enough to listen to
• 46:16
  you. You offend me.
• 46:19
  You just shut me off because I'm going to retreat, forming my
• 46:24
  rebuttal so I can come back at you.
• 46:27
  Yeah, and in our excluded culture as slaves and then Jim
• 46:34
  Crow victims, we developed a culture that young people
• 46:41
  embrace trash talking talk so fast and so well.
• 46:51
  You shut the other guy up. Who?
• 46:54
  Who? And and that only value that is
• 47:00
  acceptable there is winning. And so the guy who never loses
• 47:05
  is top of the pyramid in that in that culture and the we are at
• 47:15
  the present time in touch with young people who assist.
• 47:21
  We had good backgrounds from middle class families, but they
• 47:25
  chose a path to be a part of the trash talking the culture.
• 47:31
  No wonder why? Well, without investigating what
• 47:39
  the pain or injury was to that person who caused him to make
• 47:45
  that choice. This is the community in which
• 47:51
  he feels most comfortable, no matter his background.
• 47:55
  And. And that suggests that there's
• 47:57
  something going on, unidentified, undiagnosed in
• 48:00
  that child's background that you're missing when you're
• 48:03
  saying why is this boy doing acting so crazy?
• 48:08
  And the third skill set is, I call it assertive management of
• 48:15
  change in transition. Change threatens us if it's
• 48:21
  change on which we feel no control.
• 48:26
  We seek change we take, and we have the ability to go out and
• 48:31
  look for it for ourselves. As a matter of fact, it's how we
• 48:35
  grow. Learning to be the one, taking
• 48:43
  the initiative, learning to be assertive.
• 48:46
  So you, you are pursuing the change rather than change.
• 48:50
  Pursuing you makes all the difference and when we know when
• 48:56
  we feel no control, we are threatened and we resist change
• 49:01
  or we get drug, gun stolen, anything that's suppressed so we
• 49:04
  don't have to feel. I I want to touch on this part
• 49:08
  of the conversation as as us, as blacks and and the other
• 49:13
  cultures who ancestors came to this country right as as second
• 49:19
  class citizens. We were.
• 49:20
  We were when we were all hyphenated.
• 49:22
  Yes. Let's talk about that so that we
• 49:25
  can address what it's going to take for us as a Black culture
• 49:32
  to move forward beyond just the celebrations.
• 49:35
  When we think and and are caught up in feeling sorry for
• 49:40
  ourselves and giving a broad burst to those white folk is
• 49:46
  just that's one monolithic group.
• 49:51
  We block off our ability just to recognize opportunity when it
• 49:55
  emerges. So we got a mindset and we know
• 49:58
  what you know, we know it's the man, the the predator who had
• 50:08
  impact on our on our community, including those boys in Vietnam
• 50:12
  was Elijah Muhammad who said, don't you see the enemy is he's
• 50:16
  a white man. He objectified the white man the
• 50:21
  way the white man had objectified the Vietnamese.
• 50:25
  Those are goofs. You're not killing people,
• 50:26
  you're killing goofs. And in today's culture, you're
• 50:29
  not killing people, you're killing terrorists.
• 50:32
  Well, Elijah picked up on that and said by any means necessary
• 50:38
  to do whatever you need to do to to the white man, he's the
• 50:40
  devil. And a whole bunch of our boys,
• 50:47
  absent any other guidance, bought in and during his game,
• 50:55
  only to find it that he was not as he represented himself to be.
• 51:00
  And many of them still pursued that religion, but not Elijah's
• 51:07
  version of it. But there's considerable group
• 51:11
  that is still caught up in Elijah's game.
• 51:18
  Yeah, so, so, so let's talk about the because sometimes in
• 51:22
  our, in our enslaved conversation of, of our healing
• 51:26
  process, we say that our our culture was treated the worst,
• 51:30
  you know? Yes.
• 51:32
  Because once you compare to someone else's, you're always
• 51:35
  going to find someone who was worst off than you are, right?
• 51:38
  But go ahead, let. Me recall some terms and you and
• 51:46
  your own experience. Whoever is listening will
• 51:51
  recognize Wops, sphicks, crackers, Hoosiers.
• 52:04
  Oreanos. Wet, wetbacks.
• 52:07
  I remember. Oreanos.
• 52:08
  Rag heads. Yeah, there there are.
• 52:14
  I'm not thinking of the terms that were used was used for the
• 52:17
  Chinese, but yeah, but Orientals, yes.
• 52:22
  And Orientals prefer apparently Asian, but they were Orientals.
• 52:32
  All tribes coming to the United States were balkanized and
• 52:38
  settled off to ghettos. I said to a person is a friend
• 52:47
  of mine whose ancestors arrived in 1629 and he was 12
• 52:53
  generations Yale Wall Street, Yale Wall Street.
• 52:57
  And he mentioned that in in their Connecticut community, the
• 53:07
  Jane Turney's or John Turney's son was his neighbor and friend
• 53:14
  and attorney was an Irishman who was a World Boxing champion.
• 53:19
  And I said, oh, did he was he able to move into your English
• 53:24
  elite community because he was rich?
• 53:30
  And Peter said no, he moved into our community because he got a
• 53:40
  an English girl in our community pregnant and that got him in.
• 53:48
  And so therein is an explanation for what also evolved in our
• 53:55
  culture, boys improving their social circumstances like
• 54:02
  opportunities for for their family by impregnation.
• 54:07
  Let. Let me take a break real quick.
• 54:09
  Call will be all. Right, real quick.
• 54:12
  All right, you're tuned into the Frondo they show right here on
• 54:15
  NBR radio. As you can see, this is live.
• 54:18
  You got people doing the lawn over there.
• 54:21
  It's it's the holiday. So people do it, cut their
• 54:23
  grass, whatever they're doing over there.
• 54:24
  But this is real life right here.
• 54:25
  This is what happens when you go live.
• 54:27
  You have no idea what's possible, what can happen.
• 54:29
  You just and you deal with it, right?
• 54:32
  So again, we're listening and sharing from Carl Wolf's
• 54:34
  perspective on Juneteenth. But more so, what is it going to
• 54:38
  take? What's next for us to heal right
• 54:41
  and that's what we're going to dive into next and and start
• 54:44
  some of this healing process. Shouts out for those that are
• 54:46
  listening and watching See we got some comments.
• 54:51
  Dexter said yes to land eyes. That was definitely one of them
• 54:55
  that that they used back in the day.
• 54:57
  Caldwell likes that Mr. Turner good afternoon.
• 55:03
  He calls me a A Ron shouts out. That's my buddy out there.
• 55:06
  What else let's go, Dexter said let's go.
• 55:08
  Let's get it. Matthew has the fire emojis.
• 55:12
  That means the conversation was hot.
• 55:14
  And so we appreciate you all for listening again.
• 55:17
  We're going to come right back and get more in depth of what
• 55:21
  this healing conversation is, and then we'll let you go.
• 55:23
  All right, Won't be too much longer, but I really want to
• 55:26
  focus on the process of what it's going to take.
• 55:28
  It's not right or wrong or good or bad to celebrate.
• 55:31
  We have to, we want to acknowledge our ancestors.
• 55:34
  We want to acknowledge, you know, our past.
• 55:37
  You don't want to dwell in it, but you want to reference it
• 55:41
  because those when you reference, you can learn from
• 55:44
  things. You know, some people only focus
• 55:47
  on the negative of slavery, but we're talking about the strength
• 55:52
  and what they went through in your culture.
• 55:54
  This is not just African Americans.
• 55:56
  We're talking about all of those who came to this country as
• 56:01
  second class citizens. And we're going to talk about
• 56:03
  this on the after the break that were hyphenated.
• 56:05
  All deal with some type of emotional fracture of their
• 56:10
  bloodline. A lot of families came here
• 56:13
  fleeing other countries, their own home countries to come here
• 56:16
  for a better opportunity. But then they get here and
• 56:19
  they're still dealing with inclusion as an emotional
• 56:25
  portion of it. See the world the society talks
• 56:28
  about inclusion and exclusion from what you can.
• 56:31
  Oh, I'm I'm. While I did this for you, I
• 56:33
  opened up these doors for you. You should be fine.
• 56:35
  You should be happy. You're included.
• 56:37
  Yeah, but you can open up all the doors that you want.
• 56:40
  But if I don't experience myself being included to walk through
• 56:44
  that door with confidence and courage, then I'm not going to
• 56:46
  take that. I'm not going to go through that
• 56:48
  door. It sounds good, but it sounds
• 56:50
  good for him, not for me because of what my culture, what my
• 56:54
  answers has have talked about what it is to be in the United
• 56:58
  States as a as a person or even maybe as an object.
• 57:02
  Because we label one another so much from our skin color to
• 57:07
  wearing glasses to a beard or whatever.
• 57:09
  However you identify and label people, it disconnects you from
• 57:13
  that human connection. So some of these labels on how
• 57:16
  we even talk. That's why he said the
• 57:18
  communication dialogue is so important because how we talk to
• 57:21
  one another and listen to one another from the labels is
• 57:25
  enough to keep us from being connected.
• 57:29
  So we're gonna play just a couple PSAS here and then, yeah,
• 57:33
  just come right back to the conversation.
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  So much more for on dossier All right, welcome back to The
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  Frondo's issue right here. Special edition Juneteenth
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  episode with my guy Caldwell Williams.
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  They're still doing that. They're still cutting grass over
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  there. That's real life over there,
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  huh? All right.
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  So man, may I say something about I want to introduce the
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  word Lee Atwater. Yeah, please.
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  Yeah, touch that please, because that's key.
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  In pursuit of making his Republican Party the majority
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  party, which Nixon wanted to do, Lee Atwater, who was a political
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  strategist for Reagan, came up with the idea.
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  He didn't use the same language as we, but my translation of
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  what he turned in on was Southerners who've been
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  Democrats since the Civil War belong over here with us.
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  And he approached Southerners using the N word.
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  You're in the party with them, get your butt over here where
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  you belong. So he introduced inclusion by
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  race and they flooded to him like flies to Sir in less than a
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  generation during just during Reagan's first term.
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  By the end of his first term, the slaveholding segregationist
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  S was virtually 100% Republican. And because they provided the
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  foot soldiers, they took over the Republican Party.
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  The Republican Party of Trump is identical to the slave holding
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  Jim Crow South and they have expanded that group to include
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  the Midwest bigots who were never outed in the 1st place
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  during Jim Crow. Every Midwestern state,
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  Illinois, in Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota had sunset laws.
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  If you were black, you had to be out of town by sunset.
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  And so their sympathy was with the slaveholding, the Jim Crow
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  South, and their sympathies were with Hitler because on our farm
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  in 1939, my older brothers and my dad had this long poles that
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  they carried from our land and stretched the wires for an
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  antenna. And my dad had a radio, and you
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  could hear Hitler's speeches at night.
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  And my white neighbors were celebrating Hitler.
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  And the media, national media lied about it.
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  Oh, they were just conservative and they America First was not
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  about supporting Hitler. It was just like we didn't want
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  to be involved in foreign entanglements.
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  DS more than Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford were pro Nazis.
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  And so Fast forward to Lee Atwater.
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  Reagan's first campaign speech after he got the nomination was
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  in Philadelphia Ms. We know that name only because Philadelphia
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  Ms. lynched 3 civil rights workers.
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  And it was Reagan's way of saying under Lee Atwater's
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  direction to the South, I am your boy.
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  The same way Trump is doing that now.
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  And so the wait entitlement as vehicle for inclusion is what
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  must be combated. And the way to combat that is to
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  create the space of people being able to tell the truth.
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  And the people who are not telling the truth and are
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  suffering over there from their exclusion injuries are no
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  different from you and me. And the lie that's told to them
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  that they bought in just to get into the game is blacks and, or
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  people of color, the newly hyphenated people of color.
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  We became African American Indians became Native American,
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  Asians became Asian American, Asian Pacific Island American.
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  And. His and Hispanic Americans as
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  well. Yes, all hyphenated, but no
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  white people are hyphenated anymore.
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  It's just all white. White and Spaniards are white
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  and it's it's. And one last thing.
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  I'm saying that at the moment, as we evolved, we stopped
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  beating our children. At the present time, June 19th,
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  2024, every slave state plus Arizona still allows kids to be
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  beaten in school. Everybody else is forbidden
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  physical punishment of children and those people in our tribe
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  who look like you and me who are behind in their evolution are
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  still getting in trouble. And you have you for on shared
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  an anecdote with me recently where a person's sensibly hired
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  to help children grow said to you, don't let them talk about
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  being hit at home because we have to.
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  And So what is that doing to that child?
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  Yeah, the suffer in silence for sure.
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  Suffer in silence. So what before we end this, what
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  do you want to say to the point of the objectification?
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  I, I, I believe you know, in, in my conversation with you these
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  last five, almost six years now, what's what stick out to me most
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  in the beginning was the objectification, right?
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  The labeling because as a soldier, as a veteran, you know,
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  looking back after talking to you that I, I was, was, was able
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  to objectify another human being to a terrorist.
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  And then you trained to kill the terrorist, right?
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  And then one day that brain's going to remember, your mind's
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  going to remember that that was not a terrorist.
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  It was a human being, right? And then you got to, then you
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  got to live with that of whatever you've done to, for,
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  for, for our brothers and sisters who was in combat and,
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  and, and experienced that in that fashion.
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  You got to live with that now. But even in today's society, if
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  you a Laker fan and a Clipper fan, I will kill you in the
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  parking lot because you got on a Lakers jersey or a Clippers
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  jersey, right? So.
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  In, in, in peeling off these these labels.
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  How can this help us heal from our own right?
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  Because we're not talking about the second class citizens who
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  the Irish, because the Irish were treated just as bad, right?
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  Polish, like so every, every culture has their experience of
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  how they were treated coming to this country or what or, or
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  leaving their own country to come here is why they came to
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  the United States. But for you, what is that first
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  layer of that labeling that we have to peel off as a black
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  culture so that we can start to do the self, the the
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  interpersonal relationship with our self first?
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  Two thoughts submerged. First, I want to acknowledge
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  what has already evolved was get money by any means necessary.
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  And then with that money you can give your children a chance for
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  liberation. You can send your children to
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  Harvard and Yale and Princeton. And that's what Joe Kennedy did
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  for the Kennedy boys. And it not only worked put him
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  in the White House. John F Joe Kennedy had cornered
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  the market on during prohibition on on Scotch and Irish whiskies.
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  And so he was a a essentially a drug dealer.
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  He said it was a liquid drug. And the Ken gave money to the
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  Roosevelt campaign. Roosevelt appointed him
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  ambassador to England and so this Roman Catholic Irishman got
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  in, his family got in and our generation, Jay-Z, drug dealer
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  Jay-Z simply follow the the the equation that was long
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  established and then married a pretty girl and the their
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  daughter can go and do anything she wants.
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  Oh yeah. The city of Los Angeles allowed
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  him to create a, a, a big event on the mall downtown and a an
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  elderly person who was in the facility where my wife was, was
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  with our Alzheimer's confined was furious as a black man,
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  educated black man, he was head of the engineering department at
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  Cal State Northridge. And he was furious that the city
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  of Los Angeles allowed this black former drug dealer to be
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  have that kind of publicity to put on an event.
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  So that that's one model doing what has always been done.
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  I assert that a way to reach more people in a healthier way
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  is teach the three foundation skills that are already
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  mentioned in this that empowers our children to navigate that
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  assimilation journey themselves and not just black children, all
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  children. And so the education arena is
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  the potential solution. One word on on that.
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  We got a model for it at the dawn of the industrial
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  revolution in the late 1800s. We were farmers.
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  We're in that great agricultural nation and boys worked alongside
• 1:12:20
  their dad on the farm. The brand new in the world,
• 1:12:25
  brand new industries said we need workers went to Congress.
• 1:12:35
  We need workers on the boys are farmers.
• 1:12:39
  Congress passed the laws, put the money in the pot, and
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  mandated every male child in secondary schools, in public
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  schools all across the United States must take shops, wood
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  shop, metal shop, electric shop, print shop, and that speed up
• 1:13:03
  the transition from farm to industry.
• 1:13:09
  Mental health has been the deficiency and absence from our
• 1:13:15
  culture up until this point. Mindfulness just broke.
• 1:13:19
  It broke out in the last decade. Instead of having out, seek it
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  out on your own. Government is the one that has
• 1:13:37
  all of our resources. These concepts about which you
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  and I are speaking, taught in every school, every public
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  school in the nation, creates a generation better able to
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  navigate the idealized society that we're seeking, but that
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  we'll never achieve until we make the commitment to doing it.
• 1:14:07
  And all of us trying, struggling to heal from our injuries.
• 1:14:13
  White, black, brown, yellow. Our children, our grandchildren
• 1:14:22
  would move, would race toward that more perfect union rather
• 1:14:29
  than struggling than crawling toward it.
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  Yeah. And so lastly, you know, again,
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  it's Juneteenth. The celebrations have been going
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  on since Saturday. What would be the first step to
• 1:14:50
  start that healing journey, right?
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  So for me, I've, I've learned from myself, from the work that
• 1:14:55
  I've done the last 14 years I had, I had to, I had to turn
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  within myself, right? Because a lot of the, a lot of
• 1:15:05
  the things that I dealt with, I, I, I, I grew up because of how
• 1:15:10
  my parents were, right? And so as children, you blame
• 1:15:13
  your parents, right? Silently, sometimes not, we
• 1:15:16
  won't say it, you know, it takes a lot of, a lot of courage for
• 1:15:19
  somebody to say, I can't stand my mom or dad, right?
• 1:15:22
  Because that looks bad. But, but silently we suffer and
• 1:15:25
  we say those things to ourselves, right?
• 1:15:28
  And we, we don't get an opportunity to self reflect,
• 1:15:32
  take a step back and look and see what my parents went through
• 1:15:35
  when they were children, what my grandparents was like when they
• 1:15:38
  were growing up, what this culture was like, where they
• 1:15:40
  came from, where they great, great.
• 1:15:42
  Like we don't, we don't take a look at that sometimes.
• 1:15:44
  But I think I, I not that I think, but I've learned from
• 1:15:47
  myself. Like I had to do that to free
• 1:15:50
  myself from all those generations.
• 1:15:53
  My mom calls them generational curses.
• 1:15:55
  I call them generational consequences because the
• 1:15:58
  behaviors right, gets passed on and gets passed on.
• 1:16:02
  And then these we're dealing with today's consequences of,
• 1:16:05
  of, of our culture from not being able to reconcile those
• 1:16:10
  relationships to not to understand how important self
• 1:16:13
  forgiveness, forgiveness is not just to other people, but to
• 1:16:16
  yourself, right? So is is that important for the
• 1:16:22
  what's next? Self, The self reflection, the
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  self? I think it is.
• 1:16:27
  I think it is for all of us. The school today operated for
• 1:16:30
  eight years was majority Caucasian.
• 1:16:39
  And that experience underscored for me the point that we make
• 1:16:45
  that it's not a racial struggle. Everybody's struggling.
• 1:16:52
  And Paul Leonhardt, 40 years later, I got a phone call from
• 1:16:59
  him. Do you Remember Me?
• 1:17:00
  And I said, of course I remember you, Paul.
• 1:17:02
  And he was delighted that I had not forgotten him.
• 1:17:05
  The last the previous conversation I'd had with him
• 1:17:08
  was 1976. And he said, I want to thank you
• 1:17:17
  for what you did for me when I was in high school.
• 1:17:21
  And I want to apologize for not participating in your groups at
• 1:17:24
  a level that I should have. But my mother was an alcoholic
• 1:17:31
  and I was afraid of being exposed and he said, But I was
• 1:17:38
  learning. I now know I was learning, and I
• 1:17:41
  went because I was in your school.
• 1:17:45
  I was able to get into Berkeley out of high school, but I didn't
• 1:17:49
  have the confidence that I was as prepared as other students
• 1:17:54
  because your approach was different.
• 1:17:57
  You focused on mental health, he said.
• 1:18:00
  But I did well at Berkeley, but I still wasn't convinced.
• 1:18:05
  So I went to Graduate School at MIT and I was successful there.
• 1:18:12
  And so I'm calling you to to apologize and to thank you and
• 1:18:18
  the intake person. I was just checking into the VA
• 1:18:24
  for the first time in my life. And I, you know, I, because of
• 1:18:28
  my hand, I used speakerphone and, and the intake officer had
• 1:18:33
  heard the conversation. He said, who was that?
• 1:18:35
  I said he was a former student, it sounded like your son and
• 1:18:41
  said it was a continuation of a last conversation from 1976.
• 1:18:46
  And he said no shit. I said no shit.
• 1:18:50
  Well, in, in summary, Paul has continued his dialogue with me.
• 1:18:57
  He's successful in the IT industry, et cetera.
• 1:19:01
  And through our current dialogue, he has come to forgive
• 1:19:08
  his mother, whom he blamed and was ashamed of and tried to keep
• 1:19:16
  her out of his life, and now realizes that he was, he
• 1:19:20
  shortchanged himself with that. And and also importantly, to
• 1:19:24
  forgive himself for not learning earlier that forgiveness.
• 1:19:30
  What he'd learned about his mother is she was a Holocaust
• 1:19:37
  survivor as a she was an infant and a small toddler, but she had
• 1:19:48
  injuries that she didn't even know about.
• 1:19:52
  And alcohol was her way. Suppressor.
• 1:19:56
  Yes, yes, yes. All right.
• 1:19:59
  I'm saying everybody has a story, and our stories are the
• 1:20:02
  same. We're all injured by the
• 1:20:06
  evolution of the culture, and the people who are leading the
• 1:20:09
  culture are doing it by trial and error or they learn, OK, So
• 1:20:14
  we all have a role to play in getting this information out
• 1:20:19
  because the people that we either blame or look up to are
• 1:20:25
  struggling as. Indeed, you and I are.
• 1:20:29
  I, I, I got it. I got to touch on this before we
• 1:20:32
  go this last piece, because this is MBR radio military broadcast
• 1:20:38
  radio network and 99% of these listeners are either military,
• 1:20:46
  they're family members, law enforcement.
• 1:20:50
  What, what do you want to say to the to the military community
• 1:20:55
  about your curriculum? And thank you for for trusting
• 1:21:00
  me to work with you and and to allow me to take this on with
• 1:21:05
  you. But what do you want to say to
• 1:21:08
  our military community around the work that you've done with
• 1:21:13
  this? Now this education was was has
• 1:21:16
  been used in from children to businesses, corporate office,
• 1:21:26
  veterans, schools, middle schools and veterans most
• 1:21:29
  recently. What do you want to say to the
• 1:21:33
  veterans about your curriculum and how we're going to be able
• 1:21:35
  to use this to help our own? I am seeking further dialogue
• 1:21:48
  with the psychiatrist who got a large grant from the Veterans
• 1:21:52
  Administration to introduce mindfulness to the West LA
• 1:21:56
  Veterans facility. The that is proceeding
• 1:22:06
  successfully untold you and I sat on on one of the classes
• 1:22:12
  that that came out of that and every veteran, although they
• 1:22:16
  were seniors, every veteran in that class.
• 1:22:19
  We're intrigued by you and me and I.
• 1:22:21
  I now have their phone numbers. They said whatever you do next,
• 1:22:26
  please notify me. So that suggested that we have
• 1:22:32
  the potential for either under the umbrella of Doctor Suzaki or
• 1:22:38
  applying for our own VA grant, because every county in the
• 1:22:44
  United States has veterans who are struggling to make the
• 1:22:49
  transition to the kind of life we're talking about here.
• 1:22:53
  And and so you know my Matt Mantra, I'm 90 years old and
• 1:22:58
  young people like you and those of you who are in your age
• 1:23:03
  category out there are listening to this.
• 1:23:05
  There's a role for you to play in bringing this about.
• 1:23:09
  And I'm counting on you, Fran, to carry the torch.
• 1:23:14
  Guys, you'll hear from us. We're working on it, yeah.
• 1:23:20
  All right, Caldwell, any last words before I let you get out
• 1:23:22
  of here, man? Thank you.
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  Thank you for your time, man. I really appreciate you for
• 1:23:29
  taking some time out. You know, we spend almost 90
• 1:23:31
  minutes here going over just Juneteenth, like I said, is
• 1:23:36
  there's not, this is, these are not right or wrong, good or bad
• 1:23:39
  conversations, right? It's, it's, it's always great to
• 1:23:43
  celebrate our culture, to celebrate what happened, the
• 1:23:47
  breakthroughs, but we also got to be able to celebrate those,
• 1:23:51
  those breakdowns and those weaknesses.
• 1:23:53
  So those weaknesses can become strength, right?
• 1:23:55
  So we're, we're, we're looking to strengthen those weaknesses
• 1:23:58
  and the, the mindset, like you said, mindfulness is such a
• 1:24:03
  powerful, you know, popular conversation now.
• 1:24:08
  But really, when you look in the word, the Bible talks about
• 1:24:11
  repenting, renewing your heart, renewing your mind, like that's,
• 1:24:14
  that's where the work is. You know, that's where the work
• 1:24:18
  is for us as human beings. And is, is being able to
• 1:24:21
  reconcile those differences and deal with those emotions.
• 1:24:24
  Emotional intelligence is such a big conversation now.
• 1:24:28
  And so you play a part with your curriculum and a lot of these
• 1:24:31
  healings and we talk about starting with our children.
• 1:24:36
  What do you want to point to as far as starting with our
• 1:24:40
  children? The We are seeking to approach
• 1:24:48
  Steve Ballmer, who's just built a $2 billion arena in Inglewood,
• 1:24:56
  whose school has lost 40% of his enrollment in the last 10 years,
• 1:25:02
  and who desperately need healing and correcting.
• 1:25:07
  Or his the Ballmer $2 billion or the Cronke $7 billion investment
• 1:25:13
  in arenas will not be fulfilled in terms of the potential for
• 1:25:20
  that city to rise from the ashes.
• 1:25:25
  Schools are the place that families look to as they
• 1:25:30
  determine where they want to live, and there's no shortage of
• 1:25:34
  resources among the Balmers and the Krunkies.
• 1:25:39
  We're trying to tap back to create a pilot program that
• 1:25:43
  demonstrates how to fix the school, which has implication
• 1:25:48
  for the whole nation because every professional sports
• 1:25:51
  franchise is in a city that has struggling schools.
• 1:25:56
  Yeah, I've got big. We from that have big vision.
• 1:26:00
  There's a road for you guys to play.
• 1:26:02
  Stay tuned. You'll hear from us.
• 1:26:05
  And we're doing that at a, at a, at a, at another level with the
• 1:26:08
  ABA. So with the Ventura Orcas coming
• 1:26:12
  soon out there in the Oxonard Ventura County area, we're
• 1:26:16
  partnered with the Rio School District to demonstrate
• 1:26:18
  something similar even in the Ventura County.
• 1:26:21
  So again, Caldwell, thank you for your time and I really
• 1:26:24
  appreciate you. Thank you.
• 1:26:26
  All right, take care. All right, I appreciate you for
• 1:26:32
  hanging in in 90 minutes. I've had talk shows for two
• 1:26:36
  hours. So this is 90 minutes is nothing
• 1:26:40
  very important conversations. If you have any questions for
• 1:26:44
  rond.com for sure to hit me up. I will share with you where we
• 1:26:51
  are, where we're up to what else?
• 1:26:55
  Yeah, shouts out to MBR Radio for allowing me to do this short
• 1:26:59
  notice of a broadcast for Juneteenth.
• 1:27:02
  I really wasn't going to do anything today to be honest.
• 1:27:05
  I was just going to kind of chill out.
• 1:27:08
  Of course, support my sickle cell conversation around World
• 1:27:11
  Sickle Cell Day. Juneteenth is World Sickle Cell
• 1:27:13
  Day. If you want information about
• 1:27:15
  sickle cell trait, WDCON set.org.
• 1:27:18
  That is my main 'cause that's what you see up here, over
• 1:27:21
  there. Yeah, this way, that way.
• 1:27:24
  My cause, very important. I'll be coming to the city of
• 1:27:27
  Ventura, Oxnard, Ventura County, bringing some sickle cell trait
• 1:27:33
  awareness. That's my plan with the ABA
• 1:27:35
  basketball team. Orcas aba.com or WDCON sct.org
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  yeah, important. So enjoy your Juneteenth.
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  Those of you who have the day off, it's more than just a
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  holiday. It's more than just barbecues
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  and and hanging out drinking beers.
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  There's, there's a conversation out here that people are
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  suffering. If you just look at the suicide
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  rate for all levels, all ages levels, that suicide rate has
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  increased drastically, unfortunately.
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  And what is it? Some of us suffer in silence,
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  but we're all dealing with something.
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  And whether you're a veteran, an athlete, parent, student, police
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  officer, we're human beings first, right?
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  And we're spiritual beings before that.
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  So it's important for us to figure out how do we start to
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  heal these kind of conversations within.
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  I call them the interpersonal relationships.
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  That's self forgiveness. As all of my shows, the context
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  returns itself back to that, points back to that conversation
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  of self forgiveness. Very important.
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  So I appreciate y'all for tuning in like we're.
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  But is this Wednesday? Yeah.
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  So I'll be back Sunday night, 8:00 PM KCA radio and MBER radio
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  dot US. Sunday night, 8:00 PM.
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  Shouts out to the Sports Collective crew.
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  We'll be back in the building. Shouts out to Alan Emanuel for
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  helping me out this month. It is mental.
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  It is men's mental health month. And so we've been doing shows,
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  topics around that on the Frondose Show.
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  I actually have an event to speak at this Saturday from
• 1:29:33
  12:00 to 5:00 to be on this mental health men's panel.
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  Very important conversation for me.
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  So if you care about those conversations, hit us up
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  lbisolutions.com or goaltenders.org for Caldwell's
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  platform. You'll see all of your
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  information on there. I'm the curricular trainer for
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  that. Shouts out to Project 50.
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  Dexter was here tuning in and listening in.
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  I'm working with Project 50. I am his youth mentor counselor
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  for the Project 50 in Ventura County.
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  So again, very important topics for me at all levels, son to
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  parent, parent to child, veterans, youth, men especially,
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  but don't don't second guess the conversation because women
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  they're people too, right? And so I didn't realize that
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  even in my inspirational reads that I wrote that it could
• 1:30:34
  impact the the women that came to that event that I did.
• 1:30:38
  And, and I shared that first one was the son to father
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  relationship, the life of a 5 year old.
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  And it was majority women, if not all women.
• 1:30:47
  And they all walked away with a level of self reflection and
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  self forgiveness, self understanding, even a better
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  understanding about their own father or their boyfriend or
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  their husband because of the conversations of how I was able
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  to tell the truth about myself. And then they were able to look
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  in their own life as women. But I do have one for women.
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  That's the son to mother relationship because I feel that
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  that son to mother, mother to son relationship is so
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  important. They say that the father, the
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  daughter is hard wired to the father and then the son is hard
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  wired to the mother. And so that's why both parents
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  are so important to be in the lives of those students, of
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  those children. All right, so I'm going to get
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  out of here. It's already 90 minutes plus, so
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  I'm done. Again, I appreciate you all for
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  listening and I'll be back Sunday.
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  The Frondo's show on NBR radio and KCA Radio. 106.5 FM and
• 1:31:41
  10:50 AM get the apps. Both stations have the apps, so
• 1:31:45
  go pick up the apps. You can listen to us from all
• 1:31:47
  over the place if you download the app or go to the websites as
• 1:31:51
  well. Shouts out to my sickle cell
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  community. I'm always holding it down.
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  Very important conversation. Globally, 300 million people
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  have sickle cell trade and many don't know and there are risk
• 1:32:03
  factors and complications connected to sickle cell tray
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  peace. Hey man, how you doing?
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  Hey, did you see the game last? Night.
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  You really want to know Exhaustion, muscle spasm,
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  asthmatic issues, unexpected sickle cell trait crises.
• 1:32:53
  Damn, are you serious? When I was young I found out I
• 1:32:57
  had sickle cell trait. My mom's told me but I ain't had
• 1:33:00
  no knowledge of it. But when I got older I had a
• 1:33:02
  child. The doctor told me my daughter
• 1:33:03
  has sickle cell trait. Do.
• 1:33:05
  You know, the fact that both parents have sickle cell trait,
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  there's a 50% chance the child may have the trait and 25%
• 1:33:11
  chance the child may have the disease.
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  And that's what's the count do you?
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  Know that 2.5 million people in the United States have sickle
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  cell trait. 300 million people globally.
• 1:33:19
  I didn't find out I had sickle cell trait till I was in the
• 1:33:22
  army 10 years. Next thing you know I had a
• 1:33:24
  sickle cell trait exertion site. I thought that was a black gene
• 1:33:28
  or something. Nah man, the black community is
• 1:33:30
  number 21 out of 36,000 babies are being born with sickle cell
• 1:33:34
  disease. You could be Caucasian,
• 1:33:35
  Mediterranean, European. You got rid of your bloodline,
• 1:33:38
  right? There is an inherited gene in
• 1:33:42
  our community. That.
• 1:33:43
  Has been forgotten. The name is Sickle Cell trade.
• 1:33:46
  WDCONSCT, also known as What's the Count, is out to bring
• 1:33:51
  awareness, education and prevention to people all over
• 1:33:54
  the globe. Want more information?
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  Call us now at 323-215-5384 or visit www.wdconsct.org.