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Normally Podcast: Trump’s Iran Deal Sparks Conservative Backlash, White House Terror Plot Foiled & The Smartphone Fertility Crisis · Normally

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Speaker 1: Hey, guys are back on.
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Speaker 2: Normally the show with normal it takes for when the
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Speaker 2: news gets weird.
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Speaker 1: I'm Mary Catherine Ham.
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Speaker 3: I'm Karl Markowitz. How would you like to talk about
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Speaker 3: a deal with Iran that we don't know the details
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Speaker 3: of still.
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Speaker 1: The memo of misunderstanding, the memo of misunderstanding?
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Speaker 2: Yes, Look, I think if the memo of understanding was great,
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Speaker 2: we wouldn't just have various leaked copies. Over the last
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Speaker 2: forty eight hours, we've had someone from the administration going,
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Speaker 2: look at the.
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Speaker 1: Great thing we have done.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm remain suspicious of this whole thing.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I'm feeling less optimistic than our last show. Not
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Speaker 3: that I was optimistic, but I was a little bit
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Speaker 3: more like, wait, let's see, let's just see, let's see,
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Speaker 3: where are we going with this? You know? And now
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Speaker 3: I don't know. Now I days and days have gone
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Speaker 3: by and nothing's been released, and JD. Vance has been
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Speaker 3: on a book tour press junket and we have to
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Speaker 3: kind of just get little hints from him on this
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Speaker 3: tour about where we stand. And I don't like it
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Speaker 3: at all.
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Speaker 2: Well, and he was asked why it hasn't been released,
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Speaker 2: He said, there are era been Muslim sensitivities that must
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Speaker 2: be observed, and I would like to observe my sensitivities, right.
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Speaker 3: My America first sensitivities.
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Speaker 2: So I don't feel good about it, but I haven't
1:34
Speaker 2: felt good for a while because I think as you
1:37
Speaker 2: and I noted, Yeah, the ceasefire has never been a ceasefire.
1:41
Speaker 2: It's only a ceasefire on our part. And the straight
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Speaker 2: uparma has never opened, which was the condition for the ceasefire,
1:49
Speaker 2: which shouldn't have been a condition for the ceasefire because
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Speaker 2: those are international waters. And that's It feels very much
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Speaker 2: like we're back to gentle parenting the Middle East. And
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Speaker 2: I understand if people say, like, what's the endgame here?
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Speaker 2: I thought at the beginning, like Trump needs to do
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Speaker 2: a big speech that says what the strategy and the
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Speaker 2: goal here is. And that would have made it easier
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Speaker 2: to say, Hey, we accomplish these two things. We buried
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Speaker 2: the nuclear material. We feel like we've reduced their capabilities significantly,
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Speaker 2: that we put a lot of economic pressure on them.
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Speaker 2: The next step is not up to us because we're
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Speaker 2: not doing regime change. We will blast anybody who tries
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Speaker 2: to block the straight of her moves and we're backing off.
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Speaker 2: But why is this obsession with giving them billions of dollars?
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Speaker 3: Here? Right right? It makes no sense. And the thing is,
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Speaker 3: when you say what is this obsession with giving them
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Speaker 3: billions of dollars? You have administration people saying we're not
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Speaker 3: we're not again. Would be a lot clearer if we
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Speaker 3: could read a piece of paper that specifically tells us
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Speaker 3: what we will and will not be doing as we're
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Speaker 3: airing this or as we're recording this. Sorry, Trump has
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Speaker 3: said that we were in danger, the world was in
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Speaker 3: danger of running out of oil reserves in four weeks,
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Speaker 3: and that put the pressure on to get this done.
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Speaker 3: In which case, what a poorly planned operation. And it's
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Speaker 3: funny because the thing that I keep walking away from
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Speaker 3: this with is thinking it was largely successful. It largely
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Speaker 3: went the way that you would hope a war would go.
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Speaker 3: We destroyed a lot of their capabilities, took out there
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Speaker 3: so many of their top guys. We exposed where their
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Speaker 3: you know, weaknesses lie, and the fact that they weren't
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Speaker 3: actually this sleeping giant that they were portrayed as. So
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Speaker 3: I just to me, it feels like snatching defeat from
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Speaker 3: the jaws of victory, but also how could we be
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Speaker 3: four weeks from a worldwide shortage of oil like what well?
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Speaker 2: And should not the billions that are alleged to possibly
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Speaker 2: maybe be part of this be used to invest in
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Speaker 2: are ways of transporting oil products around the globe so
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Speaker 2: that we are not any of us, any country at
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Speaker 2: the mercy of these psychos who remain religious fanatics, who
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Speaker 2: remain authoritarian monsters, who are not going to change during
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Speaker 2: the course of sitting down with you in Switzerland, and
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Speaker 2: no matter how many conversations you have, and it worries
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Speaker 2: me that they seem to think that's what's happening, and like, look,
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Speaker 2: I think you're right. There are various military successes here
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Speaker 2: that because of the religious fanaticism of these people, are
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Speaker 2: not going to likely end in what Trump trumpeted, which
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Speaker 2: was unconditional surrender. Right he set that bar up there,
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Speaker 2: it didn't need to be there, and so victory would
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Speaker 2: look different. I think with Iran, I was certainly hoping
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Speaker 2: that in this weakened state, the people would have their say,
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Speaker 2: but it's very dangerous for them. There is not a
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Speaker 2: shadow government. It seems like for the future we might
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Speaker 2: need to be doing more to think about what that
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Speaker 2: alternative would be. But I hate the incentives that we
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Speaker 2: are setting in place and the message that we are sending.
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Speaker 2: It is very very bad.
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Speaker 3: To our enemies and to our allies. And people keep
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Speaker 3: pointing to the Obama deal, and our friend Banchi Red
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Speaker 3: State on X points out that the line Americans aren't
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Speaker 3: paying for it was exactly the same line used by
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Speaker 3: Obama and company. So you know the fact that he
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Speaker 3: also says tinctions on our oil are lifted immediately, they
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Speaker 3: get unfrozen assets over the next sixty days just for
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Speaker 3: staying engaged. It's a ton of money, never mind with
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Speaker 3: the three hundred billion and ends up being.
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Speaker 1: It's like fly me to Switzerland. I'll take the money.
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Speaker 3: Totally. Feel like I would do better at not starting
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Speaker 3: wars and they will.
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Speaker 2: I would do better at not making nukes than them. Also,
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Speaker 2: like the the irony of this is that they are
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Speaker 2: exerting all this power from this incredibly weakened state, which
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Speaker 2: is another very bad message, right because and I understand
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Speaker 2: their domestic political considerations, and that is, you know, we
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Speaker 2: are our leaders are answerable to voters in a way
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Speaker 2: that theirs are not. I understand that there's an imbalance there,
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Speaker 2: and that's part of being in a free society. But
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Speaker 2: I don't see how making this deal is either achieving
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Speaker 2: a legacy play, which is what I think he was
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Speaker 2: going for at the beginning of this Trump right, or
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Speaker 2: a midterm play because they get sixty days to dowdle
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Speaker 2: and chat like, and they will, and then after the
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Speaker 2: sixty days is over, they're going to like extend for
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Speaker 2: another sixty days or whatever it is. And I guess
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Speaker 2: if both the Iranians and Trump like having these conversations,
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Speaker 2: which he kind of does, they'll just be doing that
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Speaker 2: until the midterms.
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Speaker 3: And also if they know that he's so concerned about
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Speaker 3: the midterms, they could also just fire this all up
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Speaker 3: again in October. Blocks straight of her moods in October,
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Speaker 3: it just it felt like things were going so well
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Speaker 3: and then they went off a cliff. And what makes
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Speaker 3: me upset about the whole thing is, yeah, you know,
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of like, this is why we shouldn't
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Speaker 3: have gone in. Well, like, yeah, if this was the result,
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Speaker 3: then yeah, we shouldn't have gone in, But like it
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Speaker 3: wasn't going to be naturally this result that's crazy, and
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Speaker 3: the fact that we had all the success and you know,
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Speaker 3: I also you know, I mentioned all the stuff that
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Speaker 3: we got accomplished during this time and the very few
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Speaker 3: losses that we suffered. Also just the fact that neutering China,
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is one of their top allies and
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Speaker 3: they didn't even come to their aid or anything, which
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Speaker 3: just the whole thing was what I saw as a
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Speaker 3: massive success. And then to end it like this just
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Speaker 3: makes no sense to me.
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Speaker 2: I think, I think, yeah, it seemed like a moment
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Speaker 2: that could be and I don't never want to be
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Speaker 2: thinking it's going to be easy, but it seemed like
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Speaker 2: a moment that was potentially really transformative. With the Lebanese
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Speaker 2: government trying to get Husble out of Lebanon, all these
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Speaker 2: alliances happening, the Gulf State's turning against Iran, and then
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Speaker 2: the decision is just to bomb the crap out of
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Speaker 2: Iran and then do JCPUA right right.
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Speaker 3: It just it was all going so well. I don't know.
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Speaker 3: We have a short clip of Trump sort of joking
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Speaker 3: around about whether he'll be blamed for what happens or
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Speaker 3: whether JIGD will be Let's play that clip and we'll
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Speaker 3: talk about it.
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Speaker 4: There's some element to this where you send the vice president.
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Speaker 4: If it works out, great, you look like a genius
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Speaker 4: for sending him, and if it doesn't work out, it's
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Speaker 4: the vice president.
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Speaker 3: I like that idea. Shoot boy, this way. If it
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Speaker 3: works out, I'm going to take the credit. If it
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Speaker 3: doesn't work out, I'm blaming JD. You better be carej
9:01
Speaker 3: He's gouda turned his plane around and get the hell.
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Speaker 1: Out of here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I like that idea. I think it's a good idea.
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, everybody. Thanks standing behind him. If
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Speaker 3: in case anybody's watching listening to this on audio only,
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Speaker 3: it's is Marco Rubio and he does not crack. He
9:18
Speaker 3: does not have a little smirk. He does not smile
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Speaker 3: at all. I kind of smiles listening to that. It's
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Speaker 3: a very trumpy, like you know, Billiam j D. Marco
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Speaker 3: is like stone faced behind him. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, this is the changeability of Trump, right,
9:36
Speaker 2: and I think it's it comes with its upsides and
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Speaker 2: significant downsides. In this case, that answer says to me,
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Speaker 2: I don't love the reception this deal is getting, and
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Speaker 2: I'm going to be very happy to walk. I don't
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Speaker 2: know walk away from it, or like there's certainly a possibility.
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Speaker 2: We're not even to Friday yet, which would be the signing,
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Speaker 2: and I know they docu signed or something. Yeah, but
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Speaker 2: I'm going to foist this off on somebody and say
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Speaker 2: it was badly executed if I'm unhappy with it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah byya Unger Sargan compared it to Kamala Harris being
10:18
Speaker 3: put in charge of the border him giving this responsibility
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Speaker 3: to JD. Vance. So, you know, again, we'll see what
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Speaker 3: I continue to hate about all of this. And I
10:29
Speaker 3: know I feel like I know you do too, But
10:31
Speaker 3: I'll speak for myself. Is I am so tired of
10:36
Speaker 3: how do I feel about Trump? Like do I love Trump?
10:39
Speaker 3: Do I hate Trump? What's my feeling of it on
10:41
Speaker 3: Trump today? Like everything can be evaluated on just the
10:46
Speaker 3: merits of the actual case, and I feel like with
10:48
Speaker 3: Trump you could just never do that because it's very
10:51
Speaker 3: like So when I was kind of feeling like I
10:54
Speaker 3: wanted to hold off on commenting until I saw what
10:56
Speaker 3: was in this in this agreement, I got a lot like,
11:00
Speaker 3: you know, you just love Trump so much, you just
11:02
Speaker 3: want to defend Trump. And now that I you know,
11:05
Speaker 3: we kind of have more color, what's in there. It's like, well,
11:07
Speaker 3: you never like Trump, you know, and it's just it's exhausting.
11:11
Speaker 3: I think I really like some things he does, and
11:15
Speaker 3: I really don't like other things he does, and I
11:17
Speaker 3: don't want to have a personal feeling on him one
11:19
Speaker 3: way or the other.
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Speaker 2: Well, more important than the president to me is like
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Speaker 2: I want deterrence, I want threat credibility, I want American success.
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Speaker 2: Those are the things that I am interested in. Those
11:31
Speaker 2: are the things that I think we lost during the
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Speaker 2: Biden and to a great extent the Obama administration too,
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Speaker 2: although the Biden one was really spectacular with the Afghanistan
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Speaker 2: disaster or withdrawal, and I wanted those things re established,
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Speaker 2: and I think he went really in the correct direction
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Speaker 2: re establishing those things.
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Speaker 1: But if you do this in such a noticeably defeatist fashion, after.
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Speaker 2: Having exerted all this power, after having like you're sitting
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Speaker 2: across the table from people who I don't understand why
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Speaker 2: you're pretending you don't have leverage when they're only sitting
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Speaker 2: across the table from you because you killed all the
12:05
Speaker 2: people who came before them, Like it seems like maybe
12:09
Speaker 2: we don't have to pay them, right, and he does do.
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Speaker 3: A lot of killing them with kindness. But if we're
12:17
Speaker 3: if we're sending money, then you just killed yourself with kindness.
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Speaker 1: Don't kill him with my kindness. I'm interested, right, not interesting.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole thing is pretty perplexing again because I
12:30
Speaker 2: don't think it gets him the short term, midterm.
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Speaker 1: Results that he's thinking he wants.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that happens here, because they're just
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Speaker 2: going to be happy to talk for another sixty days
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Speaker 2: and then another sixty.
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Speaker 3: And violate that agreement anyway, as.
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Speaker 1: They've been doing every day. And who so are we
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Speaker 1: not mad? Aren't you all mad? Did they shot down
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Speaker 1: in Apache?
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Speaker 3: Are you mad about that?
12:54
Speaker 1: You should be mad about that?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's just it completely been forgotten and it's just
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Speaker 3: it's really just too bad. Yeah, all right, we'll stay
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Speaker 3: on this. We'll see what happens. We'd like to see
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Speaker 3: that you know that agreement someday, but until then, we'll
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Speaker 3: just keep commenting on what we know well.
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Speaker 2: And I should say, like his sometimes his I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: go back and forth. I'm going to change my mind
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Speaker 2: all the time, saying look, sometimes it works for him.
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Speaker 2: He has this sort of savant style way of doing
13:24
Speaker 2: these things. But in this case, I think dragging it
13:26
Speaker 2: out helps them, but being indecisive helps them, not us,
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Speaker 2: And that act in and of itself is damaging as
13:35
Speaker 2: we go forward.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if Marco Rubia doesn't like it, I know
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Speaker 3: I don't like it.
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Speaker 1: That face told me.
13:43
Speaker 3: That face said it all. And where's Pete Hag sad
13:45
Speaker 3: because that's another one. If Pete Hagg said and Marco
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Speaker 3: Ruby are out on this, I don't like it. But
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Speaker 3: you know, we're not going to.
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Speaker 1: Hear from them for a bit.
13:54
Speaker 3: We'll keep you posted. We'll take a short break and
13:56
Speaker 3: be right back with more on normally. We are back
14:03
Speaker 3: on normally where this story should be our wall to
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Speaker 3: wall news, and the fact that it's not, the fact
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Speaker 3: that it's supermuted is concerning to me. Basically, federal authorities
14:17
Speaker 3: say that they disrupted an alleged plot to attack the
14:20
Speaker 3: UFC party, the two fifty Freedom event that was on
14:24
Speaker 3: the White House South lawn over the weekend. According to documents,
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Speaker 3: they plan to use explosive leaden drones to attack the
14:33
Speaker 3: event and then have snipers ready to kill people fleeing
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Speaker 3: the event, which, by the way, I think we said
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Speaker 3: this during the White House Correspondence dinner. That is my
14:42
Speaker 3: big concern is that they're going to get people outside
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Speaker 3: in an evacuation scenario, and that's what something bad is
14:50
Speaker 3: going to happen. And I don't know how we protect
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Speaker 3: from against that, but that's, you know, the giant concern
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Speaker 3: to me. This is a terrible story involving a dozen people,
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Speaker 3: and it's really just wild to me that it's not
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Speaker 3: more of a story. And I think that the reason
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Speaker 3: for that, and you know, let me know what you think,
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Speaker 3: but I think it's because it's not a clear left
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Speaker 3: or right. It's some of the people involved or on
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Speaker 3: the left, were on the right. There's five suspects, but
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Speaker 3: there's other people like involved. It's just wild to me
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Speaker 3: that we're all waiting to see, like, is it's on
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Speaker 3: my political side or not? Nobody who does stuff like
15:36
Speaker 3: this is on my political side. I well, it almost
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Speaker 3: share anything with them.
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Speaker 2: It almost seems like this one is a is a horseshoe.
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Speaker 2: It is right, this is some of them were on
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Speaker 2: the left, you know, yeah, because they're like, oh, these
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Speaker 2: guys are supportive of the Jews, and also they're capitalists
15:53
Speaker 2: and we hate capitalists and like it's a you know,
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Speaker 2: it's there. They're uniting, not dividing. That's' creating tear plots together. No,
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Speaker 2: it's bad, and it's the continued uptick in political violence
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Speaker 2: in the sort of blase reaction to it, or in
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Speaker 2: a worst case scenario, as with Luigi Mangioni, the lauding
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Speaker 2: of this kind of behavior. We're really lucky to have
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Speaker 2: people who caught this, who are skilled enough to catch
16:25
Speaker 2: this happening, because we do live in a free society.
16:28
Speaker 2: And when you live in a free society and you
16:30
Speaker 2: have big events that are not you know, horrifically locked
16:35
Speaker 2: down and hard to get into.
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Speaker 1: There are vulnerabilities. And so thank you to those who
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Speaker 1: worked hard to sniff this out and prevent it. And
16:43
Speaker 1: they do that work all the time behind the scenes.
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Speaker 1: There's so much we never hear about. Also, just like
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Speaker 1: the idea that you would want to take a bunch
16:52
Speaker 1: of Americans who are enjoying a celebration and a sporting event,
16:56
Speaker 1: fellow Americans and just blow.
16:58
Speaker 2: Them up and shoot them because you feel like you
17:02
Speaker 2: don't like money and capitalism and prosperity.
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Speaker 3: And yeah, so one of the main guys in this
17:12
Speaker 3: guy Tyson proper. His mom actually contacted authorities after being
17:17
Speaker 3: concerned about his recent behavior. He had purchased firearms, ammunition,
17:21
Speaker 3: tactical gear, and was communicating online with people she did
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Speaker 3: not know. Look, you know, that's a really tough thing
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Speaker 3: to do, and we're so grateful that this mom did that.
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Speaker 3: She saved probably you know, hundreds of lives and at
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Speaker 3: least so it's a really scary thing that happened here.
17:42
Speaker 2: It is also not to make light of it, but
17:44
Speaker 2: the fact that from that mugshot that man's nineteen, I
17:47
Speaker 2: might be punishment enough.
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Speaker 1: Did you see him? No, they say he's nineteen. He
17:53
Speaker 1: he doesn't look it and.
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Speaker 3: He looks really older. Yeah, maybe I did see his picture.
17:56
Speaker 1: I think you did see it, and you did not
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Speaker 1: clock him as a nineteen year old.
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Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, it's like.
18:03
Speaker 1: Bad news.
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Speaker 2: Man. I'm really glad it was broken up, and I'm
18:07
Speaker 2: really glad that that event went off without anybody getting,
18:11
Speaker 2: you know, heard outside the ring. You know, there's another
18:15
Speaker 2: story out of Michigan. Some indictments came down for students
18:20
Speaker 2: involved in the University of Michigan and Arbor Encampment terrorist acts,
18:25
Speaker 2: which is essentially what that protest movement becomes once they
18:29
Speaker 2: move in on your campus. This is reporting from the
18:31
Speaker 2: Free Beacon. The indictments brought in the Eastern District of
18:34
Speaker 2: Michigan last week against eight twenty somethings deeply involved in
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Speaker 2: anti Israel protests that the University of Michigan's and Arbor
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Speaker 2: campus pull back the curtain on what the movement is
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Speaker 2: really about. Announcing the indictments, Patel, the FBI director, described
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Speaker 2: a quote campaign of violent criminal acts in which the
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Speaker 2: Michigan eight engaged in a coordinated campaign of intimidation against
18:53
Speaker 2: university leaders, the president, provost, chief investment officer, members of
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Speaker 2: the board of regents, and university police officers, plus anyone
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Speaker 2: they believed supported the state of Israel. After the school
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Speaker 2: shut down their legal solidarity encampment. They threw chemicals at
19:06
Speaker 2: victims homes. They taped demand letters to their doors. They
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Speaker 2: defaced the Jewish Federation of Detroit on the one year
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Speaker 2: anniversary of October seventh, and spray painted private homes with
19:14
Speaker 2: messages like intafada and free Palestine. It was specifically a
19:19
Speaker 2: terroristic campaign of intimidation against the very people who had
19:24
Speaker 2: said no, you're not allowed to have an antisemitic encampment
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Speaker 2: on our campus.
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Speaker 3: How do we fix this? These people feel so entitled
19:34
Speaker 3: to turn to violence when there's an opinion that they
19:37
Speaker 3: don't like, and it's spreading, and you know, it has
19:40
Speaker 3: been a left wing phenomenon for a long time, but
19:43
Speaker 3: it is spreading, and that horseshoe is real, and we're
19:48
Speaker 3: seeing it happen now with some you know, regularity on
19:51
Speaker 3: the right. Also, how do we challenge this.
19:54
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know because part of this is,
19:56
Speaker 2: you know, when I was watching the counterprogramming to the
19:58
Speaker 2: UFC and it's all the folks singing, and I can't
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Speaker 2: remember who tweeted it.
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Speaker 1: I may have mentioned it.
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Speaker 2: Has said like, you know, the left really believes they
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Speaker 2: stopped the Vietnam War with folks singing and tambourines. So
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Speaker 2: now boomer lefties, that's their way of signaling that they're
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Speaker 2: going to change the world is folk songs and tambourines.
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Speaker 2: But he left out apart because part of the Vietnam
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Speaker 2: era was the weathermen, right, it was.
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Speaker 1: Savin's Liberation Army, it.
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Speaker 2: Was terroristic acts, and so there is a sprinkling of
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Speaker 2: that in the yearning for the sixties type of protest
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Speaker 2: which goes far beyond protest and becomes violence. And I
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Speaker 2: don't know how to cure people of that nostalgia because
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Speaker 2: they've learned at many a university, in many a school
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Speaker 2: that that's both effective and honorable.
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Speaker 3: And that they could do whatever they want with very
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Speaker 3: few consequences.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's part of it too.
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Speaker 2: Again, we're getting back to another theme, which is no
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Speaker 2: gentle parenting of these situations. When it turns to violence,
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Speaker 2: when it goes beyond speech, schools have to punish students. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and the law needs to get involved when it gets criminal,
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Speaker 2: as it did after the students were punished here.
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Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, it's it's tough, you know. I'll just throw
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Speaker 3: in another story here that we we haven't really talked about,
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Speaker 3: but a five to two Democrat court in Pennsylvania found
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Speaker 3: that Larry Krassner the DA is so quick to falsely
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Speaker 3: concede error murder cases to try free convicted murderers that
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Speaker 3: it has tasked the Pennsylvania Attorney General with checking to
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Speaker 3: make sure he's not lying. Somebody I follow, Eric Westman
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Speaker 3: on X wrote that and he said, I've never seen this,
21:47
Speaker 3: and it's that same, like if I like, if these
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Speaker 3: people are on my side, if I like what they're doing,
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Speaker 3: it's this ideology they won't be punished, and it's crazy.
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Speaker 2: No they I mean, we have a soros Da here,
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Speaker 2: and the things he does to get out of trying
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Speaker 2: murderers are absolutely crazy, like accepting mental illness please without
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Speaker 2: ever evaluating the suspects, like just oh, go to mental.
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Speaker 1: Health facility for a little while.
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Speaker 2: By the way, I saw that Luigi Mangioni, by the way,
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Speaker 2: is putting in a some kind of mental illness plea
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Speaker 2: of some sort, which I wonder how that plays with
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Speaker 2: the idolators, because oh he wasn't just like and doing
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Speaker 2: the righteous thing for the right reason.
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Speaker 1: Guys, what whither your hero? It's a it's a really
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Speaker 1: gross response.
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Speaker 2: I'm starting to read Noah Rothman's Blood and Progress, but
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Speaker 2: I'm afraid that I will get so angry well while reading.
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Speaker 1: It because it touches on all these issues, So I'm
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Speaker 1: taking it slowly.
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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it's uh, it's bad out there. Not sure
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Speaker 3: what we can do about it. Tell people that it's
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Speaker 3: bad to kill people, Yeah, bad to kill people, bad
23:07
Speaker 3: to hurt people when they don't agree with you all
23:09
Speaker 3: that we can take a short break and be right
23:11
Speaker 3: back with more on normally. We're back on normally where
23:18
Speaker 3: we're gonna end it a little bit later. There's a
23:21
Speaker 3: new study out did the introduction of the iPhone causally
23:24
Speaker 3: reduce fertility? And the answer is apparently yes, by more
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Speaker 3: than a third. This was highlighted on X by Brad Wilcox.
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Speaker 3: He does some really great work on exactly this kind
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Speaker 3: of question. But basically, the US general fertility rate has
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Speaker 3: fallen by twenty two percent since two thousand and seven,
23:41
Speaker 3: a sustained decline not readily explained by economic conditions, contraceptive use, housing,
23:47
Speaker 3: or childcare costs, or other commonly cited factors. So they
23:51
Speaker 3: look into whether it's the phone, and they connect basically,
23:55
Speaker 3: the US rollout of the iPhone, the first modern smartphone,
23:59
Speaker 3: provides an ad experiment from June two thousand and seven
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Speaker 3: through February twenty eleven. The device. You know, they basically say,
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Speaker 3: our obsession with our phones is making us have fewer kids.
24:11
Speaker 3: And I would say that it's doing a lot more
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Speaker 3: than that. And you know, it's for one thing, it's
24:16
Speaker 3: making us have sex a lot less, which is you know,
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Speaker 3: I don't want to ruin the ending for anybody, but
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Speaker 3: that's what leads to kids.
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Speaker 1: That's pretty causal. It's gonna get causal.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, But also friendship rates are down. I mean marriage
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Speaker 3: rates we know are down, but also just living, doing things,
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Speaker 3: having friends, all of that stuff is down, and it's
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Speaker 3: really bad. I don't know how we fix that either,
24:38
Speaker 3: you know, I said, I'm going to leave this on
24:40
Speaker 3: a lighter note, but the screens are a real problem,
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Speaker 3: and I don't know how we get rid of them
24:48
Speaker 3: or move them to the side a little bit to
24:50
Speaker 3: get back to kind of the norm.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm taking my summer as part of an experience,
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Speaker 2: an experiment and helping myself do that with like three
24:58
Speaker 2: different bricking tools for my phone, because I really don't
25:02
Speaker 2: want my kids to remember me like this, like yeah,
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Speaker 2: while they're all sort of hovering around with my face
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Speaker 2: just looking down at my device lit lit by the
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Speaker 2: blue glow of my phone, And summer is the time
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Speaker 2: that I get to spend the most time with them.
25:19
Speaker 2: So part of it is just living my life that
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Speaker 2: way and encouraging other people to get their own kids
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Speaker 2: off devices, which can be done and actually you'll get
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Speaker 2: a much more fun kid.
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Speaker 1: Within a couple of days.
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Speaker 2: This is usually what happens. Just like you feel better
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Speaker 2: when you're off your devices, they do too. I want
25:36
Speaker 2: to note something real quick, just you know. This is
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Speaker 2: we can take a victory lap, Carol. This will make
25:42
Speaker 2: you feel a little bit better. At the end of
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Speaker 2: this Randy Winegarden of the American Federation of Teachers has
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Speaker 2: once again learned something that we all knew six years ago.
25:51
Speaker 1: Are you ready for this one?
25:52
Speaker 3: Can't wait to hear?
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Speaker 2: Oh, we're still mad, bro. Randy Winegarden gave a speech
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Speaker 2: to the National Press Club this week with her ten
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Speaker 2: points about how she would cut down on screens in school.
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Speaker 3: Oh a re imagining anymore?
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Speaker 2: Huh, She says, young people quote are drowning in tech
26:13
Speaker 2: and that that might be extremely problematic to eat the
26:17
Speaker 2: youngest children who really should have in person human teachers.
26:23
Speaker 2: Oh you do not say, ma'am who kept us all
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Speaker 2: out of school on remote learning and stole all our
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Speaker 2: tax money to give us more devices and more remote learning.
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Speaker 3: You you traced back to her. It became a normalized
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Speaker 3: thing in that era, and it became something that you
26:42
Speaker 3: have to be on the screen. You're doing your school work,
26:44
Speaker 3: you're talking to your teacher, you're doing all your schoolwork
26:48
Speaker 3: on it. I don't know. I don't know how she
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Speaker 3: says anything when a.
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Speaker 1: Street How does she do it? It's I said, she's
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Speaker 1: like a meme.
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Speaker 2: She's just the hot Dog meme, hot Dog Mammy walking
26:59
Speaker 2: around Spider Man. Her new mantra is a device is down,
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Speaker 2: eyes up, hands on strategy.
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Speaker 1: Excuse me, but are you in kidding me?
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Speaker 2: I am blown away once again by this woman's ability to,
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Speaker 2: six years later, state the obvious and pretend like she's
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Speaker 2: the one who should solve the problem right right.
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Speaker 3: That she wasn't the one who got us into this
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Speaker 3: mess in the first place. She really is that that
27:27
Speaker 3: Spider Man meme where they're pointing at each other like, wait,
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Speaker 3: I think it was you. I think it was you.
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Speaker 3: Randy wanting it got us.
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Speaker 1: Say walking me like, we could have told you this
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Speaker 1: a long time ago, and she had.
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Speaker 3: She has the fun that we were evil and lying
27:41
Speaker 3: at the time. We're saying the exact same thing she's saying. Now,
27:45
Speaker 3: this is what they do.
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Speaker 2: There's no there's never a pivot that includes I was
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Speaker 2: wrong back then and now I'm right. The pivot is
27:53
Speaker 2: only I've discovered this new problem and I'm the person
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Speaker 2: who needs millions.
27:57
Speaker 1: Of dollars to fix it.
27:58
Speaker 3: Solve it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, thank you Randy Winegarden, the woman who
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Speaker 2: has done the most damage to public schools and public
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Speaker 2: school children in my lifetime.
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Speaker 3: Yep, Brandy Winegarden for you know, the leader of the
28:12
Speaker 3: privatize school vouchers.
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Speaker 2: Cause, yes, you know what I look forward to in
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Speaker 2: five years when she was like, g it seems like
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Speaker 2: we have a literacy problem.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Randy, we'll get there maybe.
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