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Calling Out Hypocrisy is Kind (w/ Seth Davis) · Stugotz and Company

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that.
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Speaker 2: It was bo.
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Speaker 1: Wow that Prime Time maybe had a crush on Betty Rubbell.
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Speaker 2: I honestly, until after the segment ended and we went
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Speaker 2: to commercial break, had no idea that Jonathan Coachman was black.
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Speaker 1: He caught them the game last night, although they won
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Speaker 1: the game. It is to.
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Speaker 2: Sports book Set Davis is going to join us from
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Speaker 2: CBS Sports. Get us ready here for what's going to
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Speaker 2: be a great Final four coming up this weekend. There
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Speaker 2: was some news Israel involving Tiger Woods, who got yet
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Speaker 2: another car accident rollover, went to jail.
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Speaker 1: Mug shots were not didn't look good.
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Speaker 2: They looked similar to other mug shots we have seen
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Speaker 2: from Tiger Woods, and it's kind of interesting. Now Tiger
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Speaker 2: Woods is released a statement where he is going to
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Speaker 2: step away from the game ask for privacy as he
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Speaker 2: tries to recover. He realizes he has a problem. It
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Speaker 2: seems like his friends or someone close to him has
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Speaker 2: spoken to Tiger Woods, but that is the best case
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Speaker 2: scenario at least as far as I'm concerned for Tiger Woods,
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Speaker 2: is to step away from golf, because what Tiger Woods
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Speaker 2: is doing is trying to please himself and trying to
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Speaker 2: please us by getting himself healthy, because five green jackets
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Speaker 2: isn't enough. And I hope someone sat him down and said.
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Speaker 1: Hey, Tiger, you're the greatest golfer that's ever lived.
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Speaker 3: You've done enough.
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Speaker 2: You don't need to do anymore, and you certainly don't
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Speaker 2: need to do it at the risk of your own body,
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Speaker 2: your own health, and your own family.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's just a lot to this story.
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Speaker 4: For starters, it feels like, man, it feels like people
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Speaker 4: want to try to overthink this or try to like
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Speaker 4: get in Tiger's head or try to, you know, sort
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Speaker 4: of piece together how we got here.
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Speaker 3: And it's just like, I think we're kind of over
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Speaker 3: thinking this thing.
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Speaker 4: Like everybody's saying to everybody saying, oh, get a driver,
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Speaker 4: Like that'll solve everything, will it.
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Speaker 3: I mean, let's think about this for a second.
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Speaker 4: Okay, So if he has to stay to himself, forget
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Speaker 4: everybody else, he has to say to himself, oh, I've
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Speaker 4: got a problem here. I can't stop taking these pain
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Speaker 4: meds at times and then driving.
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Speaker 3: Therefore, the answer is to get a driver.
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Speaker 4: No, I think the answer is to find a way
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Speaker 4: to deal with the addiction to the pain meds.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 4: And then if you're saying to everybody, hey, look at me,
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Speaker 4: I got a driver, they're gonna be like, why is
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Speaker 4: your what is your? Is it a problem?
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Speaker 3: Is it an addiction? It's an addiction. Okay, let's settle
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Speaker 3: the addiction.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 5: It seems to me playing armchair psychologists here, that always
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Speaker 5: has a very addictive personality. I'm sure that's how he
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Speaker 5: got so good at golf, because he became addicted to it.
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Speaker 5: Then he got addicted to the women. And now he's
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Speaker 5: trying to get back to his addiction of golf. And
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Speaker 5: the only way to do that is to get his
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Speaker 5: body feeling right. And guess what, after the amount of
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Speaker 5: injuries he has had, the way to do that is
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Speaker 5: to take pain meds for him, and he becomes and
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Speaker 5: those things are so addictive, and he just became addicted
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Speaker 5: to them, and it's it's a vicious circle. And until
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Speaker 5: he removes one of those things for us, it's easy.
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Speaker 5: It should be the golf. None of them are going
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Speaker 5: to get fixed.
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Speaker 1: No, but is he is?
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Speaker 3: Right?
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Speaker 2: Like for us to sit here and say, hey, get
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Speaker 2: a driver, what does that solve. He's still taking the
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Speaker 2: he's still taking the pain medication. He just has someone
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Speaker 2: driving him around town. The problem isn't Tiger driving. The
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Speaker 2: problem is the drugs.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, people want to dig so deep into this.
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Speaker 4: Those things are just wildly addictive, and so yeah, somebody
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Speaker 4: who it doesn't even matter if you have an addictive personality,
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Speaker 4: if you're using it for the pain meds, and then
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Speaker 4: all of a sudden it becomes something that your body
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Speaker 4: feels like it needs, that's going to tell you it
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Speaker 4: needs it more often.
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Speaker 5: Getting a driver is fixing the symptom, not the cause.
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Speaker 1: Well, no, it's not fixing anything.
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Speaker 2: It's just keeping him safe and everyone else safe when
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Speaker 2: he's on drugs and on and he's on the road,
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Speaker 2: you know, and that's and so you know, people.
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Speaker 1: Forget this about Tiger. Is he It's interesting?
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Speaker 2: This is a man whose body is in such bad condition.
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Speaker 2: He's in so much pain. I feel so badly for him. Okay, Well,
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Speaker 2: what people don't realize about Tiger and the training that
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Speaker 2: was involved with Tiger and Tiger becoming the greatest golfer
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Speaker 2: that's ever lived. He was working out military style. He
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Speaker 2: was doing things that green berets.
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Speaker 1: And marines, he was working out with them.
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Speaker 2: He was doing stuff you don't really need to do,
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Speaker 2: and his body is paying for it.
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Speaker 1: That combined with the golf, his body's paying for it.
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Speaker 1: And so what does he look for He looks for
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Speaker 1: a quick fix.
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Speaker 2: And why does he look for it Because it's easier
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Speaker 2: just to take a pill than to actually address the
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Speaker 2: actual issues. And why is he taking these pills? Because
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Speaker 2: he is, as Mikey pointed out, addicted to winning golf
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Speaker 2: tournaments and still thinks in.
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Speaker 1: His mind, I got one more run at Augustine.
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Speaker 4: But even that, like even that that you just put
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Speaker 4: together is just getting into Tiger's head and thinking for him, right,
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Speaker 4: what this is?
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Speaker 3: Possibly why I'm doing it? Could just be as simple
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Speaker 3: as this is just life.
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Speaker 4: This is what's involved in his life in golf, and
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Speaker 4: his addiction is part of that. And he's just living, right,
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Speaker 4: He's just doing whatever you're saying. He's doing golf because
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Speaker 4: people want to see him, and he thinks that that
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Speaker 4: might not be the case. It might just be the
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Speaker 4: case because that's what he does on the day to day.
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Speaker 4: He just also happens to be on these payments.
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Speaker 2: This is why we have is he because he thinks
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Speaker 2: differently and hething's like a normal person.
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Speaker 1: Because he's right.
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Speaker 2: Unless you've been in that daily type of pain and
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Speaker 2: my mom was, you will search far and wide for
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Speaker 2: anything to make that pain go away. And it could
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Speaker 2: be as simple as, hey, my fucking body hurts, and
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Speaker 2: these pills, man, they make it go away, and they
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Speaker 2: make it go away quickly.
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Speaker 3: It's a quick fix.
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Speaker 1: That's all it is, you know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the idea, You're right right, It could just be
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Speaker 2: as simple as this isn't about golf. This isn't about
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Speaker 2: I started taking something. I went down a path, my
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Speaker 2: body was hurting. I started, like many football players, order
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Speaker 2: taking this. This made it go away quickly, and I
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Speaker 2: can't stop taking it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, people think that maybe because he's such a successful
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Speaker 4: athlete and has sort of access to anything that he wants,
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Speaker 4: like he's all super well adjusted as a human being.
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Speaker 4: We have no idea what he's like as a human being. Obviously,
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Speaker 4: he's had problems within his family, so if you really
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Speaker 4: dig in there, it's like maybe there's just issues within
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Speaker 4: tiger woods that we don't know about, of course, and
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Speaker 4: so yeah, I think it's it's it's sad, it's it's tough.
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Speaker 1: To look at.
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Speaker 4: It's good that he is getting some sort of help
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Speaker 4: when this is all I say all this. Last time,
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Speaker 4: there was no serious serious incident out you know, the rollover,
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Speaker 4: Nobody was seriously injured. In comparison or complete contrasts to
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Speaker 4: and Mikey, last night I watched the lamar odomdock, the
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Speaker 4: untold one, and I had been like sort of lukewarm,
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Speaker 4: kind of cold actually on the on the untold ones
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Speaker 4: because of I don't know, that's just produced by the
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Speaker 4: people that are the subjects, and therefore they're not that
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Speaker 4: necessarily thorough and in detail. But this one was really good.
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Speaker 4: Lamar was in it, Chloe Kardashian was in it, and
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Speaker 4: man like the level of addictive personality that lamar Odom
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Speaker 4: had and the way he kept just raising the stakes
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Speaker 4: and like just going on benders and like it was
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Speaker 4: all he knew and literally put his life at stake
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Speaker 4: and was like dead for three days. Like that is
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Speaker 4: just house quickly sort of a slippery slope an athlete
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Speaker 4: can take if he didn't have like a home base,
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Speaker 4: like Lamar had just so much going on in his
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Speaker 4: life and so much bad stuff, like his mother dying.
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Speaker 4: He had one of his son's died of SIDS, you know,
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Speaker 4: in twenty sixteen, and so like all that pressure and
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Speaker 4: all that stuff just led into him being this complete addict.
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Speaker 4: And there's an image of his father in there, and
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Speaker 4: he was very similar to So I say all that
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Speaker 4: to say, you have no idea what's going on in
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Speaker 4: these people's lives, even somebody like Lamar who was in
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Speaker 4: a reality show and wide open about it. Yeah, just like, yeah,
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Speaker 4: you didn't think he would show up at a brothel,
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Speaker 4: you know, dying off of penis pills by.
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Speaker 1: The way, Yes, yeah, that's what it was.
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Speaker 4: He took twelve like sexual enhancers when it says right
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Speaker 4: on the thing, you're only supposed to take one, and
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Speaker 4: so within twenty four hours. So it's just it's wild
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Speaker 4: to think that you know, no matter what level of
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Speaker 4: athlete that we know and how much we think we
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Speaker 4: know them, they're just like us in some respect.
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Speaker 1: I have said that for basically my entire career. We
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Speaker 1: don't know these people.
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Speaker 2: We like to think that we know these people you
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Speaker 2: have a little embraced with a guy at a golf
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Speaker 2: tournament and you think he's your best friend. You don't
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Speaker 2: know what the fuck's going on in his private life.
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Speaker 2: No one does, none of us too, and they don't
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Speaker 2: want you to know. And so that's interesting, is ye.
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Speaker 2: So the Autumn documentary was good? Huh, it's it's very good.
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Speaker 2: A lot of things I didn't know. Chloe was very,
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Speaker 2: very just open about it. There was some images of
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Speaker 2: after his coma where they're showing her showing him pictures
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Speaker 2: and asking if he knows who this person is they're
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Speaker 2: showing him, you know, basically as if he went through
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Speaker 2: I think he said something the equivalent of like twelve
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Speaker 2: strokes and six heart.
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Speaker 4: Attacks, which I don't know about. You sort of figure
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Speaker 4: that out. But he definitely had to learn how to
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Speaker 4: do everything again. And the fact that he is in
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Speaker 4: this doc speaking the way he is, moving the way
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Speaker 4: he is, it's crazy that he's recovered to this level.
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Speaker 1: Why he's speaking well, he's looking well, is what you're saying.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, unless they're high to get, you know,
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Speaker 4: particularly on their likes on a lot of clothes or whatever,
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Speaker 4: talking well seems sharp.
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Speaker 3: You know, moving around seems normal.
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Speaker 1: Is he?
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Speaker 2: Are you mad at us as a show because you
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Speaker 2: want to talk basketball all the time and we never do.
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Speaker 2: And yet March, all we've done is talk college basketball.
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Speaker 1: Thinking about this last night, is he? Are you outraged
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Speaker 1: with us? David?
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Speaker 4: So, yeah, no, my time is coming. It's okay the
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Speaker 4: NBA playoffs. College basketball can't last forever.
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Speaker 3: Neither can the NFL.
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Speaker 2: In the interest of fairness, you realize we did talk
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Speaker 2: college basketball during the regular season. It took the postseason
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Speaker 2: for us to start talking about college basket.
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Speaker 1: But we're getting to it.
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Speaker 3: And that's the beauty of the NBA postseason. It lasts forever.
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Speaker 1: And when I say we're getting to it, I mean
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Speaker 1: we'll get to it.
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Speaker 3: Conference Finals, yeah, maybe maybe Game six.
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Speaker 2: This man is college basketball. I'm a big fan of
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Speaker 2: his work. He is Seth Davis. Seth, thank you for
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Speaker 2: joining us. We appreciated. Taylor has a take, our executive
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Speaker 2: producer a college sports related take that has gone viral
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Speaker 2: today and I want to get your thoughts on it.
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Speaker 1: Taylor take it away.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I wish we didn't do this for Seth Davis
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Speaker 8: because the whole thing is be kind and this is
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Speaker 8: kind of going against the whole be kind notion. Yeah,
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Speaker 8: but Seth, my take was, if your favorite college football
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Speaker 8: team is different from your favorite college basketball team, nobody
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Speaker 8: respects you.
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Speaker 7: I think that is a very kind thing to say.
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Speaker 9: I think calling people out for their hypocrisy is an
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Speaker 9: act of kindness.
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Speaker 7: I am right with you, right with you.
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Speaker 2: How anyway, Seth how do we view Dan Hurley if
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Speaker 2: he goes on to win a national championship, his third
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Speaker 2: national championship, where does he kind of fall in the
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Speaker 2: pecking order of all time great coaches? Because that ties
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Speaker 2: in with Jim Calhoun puts them two behind coach K.
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Speaker 9: Short list of three or more. Right, there's Calhoun, there's k,
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Speaker 9: and there's Woulden. I think Night only had two, right, yes,
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Speaker 9: so yeah, there's that's one way to That's one way
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Speaker 9: to measure greatness. I mean, you know, this was not
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Speaker 9: a team that I really expected to get to the
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Speaker 9: final four. You know, they had kind of an up
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Speaker 9: and down year, but you know a lot of these
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Speaker 9: teams had an up and down year. They showed an
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Speaker 9: incredible fight in that game against Duke. They just never
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Speaker 9: gave up. Uh and his ability to impart his personality
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Speaker 9: onto his team. It's not like automatic, you know, so
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Speaker 9: super impressive, he brings he checks every box. You know,
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Speaker 9: people call him polarizing or they don't like a sideline antics.
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Speaker 9: I mean, there's so many phonies in this world. Like
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Speaker 9: we always say we want people to be honest. We
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Speaker 9: always say we want people to be authentic, and then
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Speaker 9: when they are, we shred them for it. Hopefully you're
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Speaker 9: not following this ridiculousness of him putting his forehead on
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Speaker 9: the referee.
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Speaker 7: Roger Airs chatted about it.
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Speaker 9: You have with great kindness, and I'm sure it doesn't
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Speaker 9: require kindness, it just requires facts.
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Speaker 7: The facts are the rule says that you.
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Speaker 9: Are not allowed to contact have contact with an official
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Speaker 9: in a way that is meant to intimidate or that
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Speaker 9: is disrespectful. Those are rules that are that are in
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Speaker 9: the books. He did that right when Braylan Mullins hit
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Speaker 9: the shot at a crazy moment, right trying to intimidate.
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Speaker 7: The ref What is wrong with people?
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Speaker 3: It's not like it's just like what is wrong with people?
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Speaker 3: It's just something we've never seen. So it was just
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Speaker 3: fun too.
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Speaker 2: I mean, just point there are different types of head butts.
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Speaker 2: There's a friendly headbutt and there's a head butt that's
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Speaker 2: intending to hurt you.
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Speaker 9: Is he is he like context matters? Is he trying
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Speaker 9: to intimidate the ref? Is there anybody on this zoom
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Speaker 9: that that wants to argue that in that moment he's
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Speaker 9: trying to intimidate the official?
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Speaker 7: But that's what happened. At worst, it was what was anybody.
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Speaker 3: Could speak up.
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Speaker 7: What was Dan Hurley's motivation at that moment?
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Speaker 2: Not to get a technical, that's for sure, I can
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Speaker 2: tell you that much his motivation.
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Speaker 7: Why did he do it?
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Speaker 1: He wanted to do it. He was celebrating with the
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Speaker 1: guy that.
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Speaker 7: Was closest to him, but he excited.
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Speaker 3: He said that.
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Speaker 4: Actually looked to me like he has a decent relationship
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Speaker 4: with that referee, so he knows he can do that.
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Speaker 4: In that moment, thank you, Yeah is thank you.
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Speaker 9: And then you know, like I said, you know this
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Speaker 9: to me looked like to buddy like Roger Air, like
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Speaker 9: that's what good officials do.
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Speaker 7: You know.
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Speaker 9: There was a game probably about a month ago, maybe
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Speaker 9: three weeks ago, I'll say a month ago, and Houston
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Speaker 9: was playing a game and there was a really bad
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Speaker 9: call that went against Houston and there was a ref
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Speaker 9: who was standing right in front of Kelvin Samson, and
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Speaker 9: Kelvin was losing his mind and really giving it to
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Speaker 9: the ref, and the ref stood there and let him
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Speaker 9: do it, and then he moved on like that's what
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Speaker 9: officiating is supposed to be. Anyway, I didn't mean to
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Speaker 9: get on. I don't mean to hijack the show I'm
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Speaker 9: your guest, Please ask your question.
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Speaker 2: But I think the friendly headbot may have cost the
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Speaker 2: referee a spot in the Final four, because.
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Speaker 7: Bullshits, that's not true. It's not true.
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Speaker 9: He did exactly what he was supposed to do in
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Speaker 9: that situation.
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Speaker 1: But he's really yes, but he's not refereeing in the
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Speaker 1: Final four.
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Speaker 9: I mean, oh, so he must be a terrible ref
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Speaker 9: because only only terrible refs don't ref in the Final four.
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Speaker 9: Like there's there's nine refs who are going to be
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Speaker 9: working this weekend. Nine Okay, by the way, if he's
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Speaker 9: such a terrible ref, why is he working the Elite
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Speaker 9: eight right?
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Speaker 3: And the marquee game of the Elite eight?
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Speaker 9: Why did he ref He probably both do Carolina games.
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Speaker 9: I know he's primarily an agency Roger ayres Is refereed
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Speaker 9: a lot of Final fours. If you think that's the
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Speaker 9: reason why he's not reving the Final four, I can't
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Speaker 9: help you.
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Speaker 7: And I say that with all do.
17:10
Speaker 3: Kindness, Seth.
17:12
Speaker 8: What do you make of the Carolina head coaching search
17:15
Speaker 8: where it seems like they've gotten to the point their
17:18
Speaker 8: contempt waiting for Dusty May Tommy Lloyd and just gonna
17:23
Speaker 8: let that kind of play out and see if either
17:25
Speaker 8: of those coaches tell them no.
17:27
Speaker 7: Well, part of what's.
17:28
Speaker 9: Going on is they moved back the opening day of
17:32
Speaker 9: the transfer portal last year, and previously it started the
17:37
Speaker 9: Monday of Sweet sixteen week. So if you were coaching
17:41
Speaker 9: in the Sweet sixteen, you had to be in the
17:43
Speaker 9: transfer portal, recruiting out of the transfer portal. And so
17:47
Speaker 9: also if you are looking for a coach, you know
17:51
Speaker 9: you're taking a risk by not having a coach during
17:54
Speaker 9: the first two weeks of the transfer portal. So the
17:56
Speaker 9: fact that it doesn't start open until April seventh, and
17:59
Speaker 9: by the way, you know what else happens in early April.
18:02
Speaker 7: Is the NBA season ends.
18:04
Speaker 9: And so now you can have that conversation with Billy Donovan, who,
18:07
Speaker 9: from his public comments, has not closed the door. I've
18:11
Speaker 9: seen some reporting that Brad Stevens has privately closed the door.
18:16
Speaker 7: I'll still believe that when I see it.
18:17
Speaker 9: Now, the Celtics are in second place in the East
18:19
Speaker 9: and the Bulls aren't going to the playoffs, and there's
18:21
Speaker 9: chatt of that maybe Billy Donovan leaves anyway.
18:23
Speaker 7: So look, as.
18:24
Speaker 9: North Carolina you want to you got to have that conversation.
18:27
Speaker 9: The problem becomes the math on these buyouts. I think
18:31
Speaker 9: Tommy Lloyd's buyout at Arizona is like eleven million dollars.
18:36
Speaker 9: So you've got to pay Hubert Davis five million dollars
18:38
Speaker 9: to buy him out. Now you've got to pay Tommy
18:41
Speaker 9: Lloyd's buy out eleven million dollars. That's before you've paid
18:45
Speaker 9: him a penny and salary. And you know, he's got
18:47
Speaker 9: to be pretty much, if not the highest paid coach
18:50
Speaker 9: in the sport, certainly close to it. And then, by
18:53
Speaker 9: the way, you've got to come up with you know,
18:56
Speaker 9: probably eight figures for your roster, So that's a lot
19:00
Speaker 9: of money. I think that's much more of an issue
19:04
Speaker 9: than anything else for them moving forward. That's that's probably
19:06
Speaker 9: why they probably end up, you know, aside for Billy Donovan.
19:10
Speaker 9: Obviously there's no buyout of that situation, right, you probably
19:13
Speaker 9: end up with. If I had to give you a name,
19:15
Speaker 9: I would say Mark Byington from Vanderbilt, who's a really
19:17
Speaker 9: good coach. I think you do a really good job.
19:20
Speaker 9: But if you're a Carolina fan, like, does that like
19:22
Speaker 9: light your world on fire? Probably should, but it probably doesn't.
19:26
Speaker 4: Seth going into this tournament, a lot of people were
19:28
Speaker 4: looking at some of the bigger named players, the Darren Peterson's,
19:32
Speaker 4: the cam Boozers, Ag Debonta see how they would perform.
19:34
Speaker 4: But of the teams that are remaining, is there a
19:37
Speaker 4: player that has shown the best for him in these
19:40
Speaker 4: first four games? Because I love every time I watched
19:43
Speaker 4: Lindenberg play for Michigan. I'm like, that guy looks like
19:47
Speaker 4: he is everything the NBA wants everything.
19:50
Speaker 9: That's exactly where I was going to go, is bro Is.
19:53
Speaker 9: It is an interesting story too, because he was a
19:56
Speaker 9: late bloomer and kind of not a whole lot of
19:58
Speaker 9: direction when he was younger. How about this, he played
20:01
Speaker 9: eleven varsity games in high school. Think about that for
20:04
Speaker 9: a second. Eleven varsity games in high school. He's bounced around,
20:08
Speaker 9: went to a ton of different schools, then had this
20:10
Speaker 9: great season at UAB, and now he's probably making two
20:14
Speaker 9: million a year in IL money for Michigan. He's the
20:17
Speaker 9: best player in the final four, probably gonna end up
20:19
Speaker 9: be if I had to guess your most outstanding player,
20:22
Speaker 9: because I think Michigan's gonna win the thing. And if
20:24
Speaker 9: they do, that means he's been great and he'll be
20:27
Speaker 9: a lottery pick in the NBA.
20:28
Speaker 7: So ain't that America.
20:30
Speaker 9: I mean, good on him, Great on Dusty for the
20:32
Speaker 9: way that he's made you know, I like a name
20:34
Speaker 9: drop you see behind me the hoopstahe Q. We talked
20:36
Speaker 9: to Andy Katz and I interviewed Dusty May this morning
20:39
Speaker 9: for a hoopshe Q show. Nice and I asked Dusty
20:43
Speaker 9: about see, as someone like me, I've studying leadership and
20:48
Speaker 9: team building and team ethos and all of that, it's
20:52
Speaker 9: such a fascinating time, like why did this roster work?
20:55
Speaker 7: And that one didn't? You know?
20:56
Speaker 9: And there's there's almost not always a great answer, and
21:00
Speaker 9: I Dusty's now two for two.
21:01
Speaker 7: It's two years in a row.
21:02
Speaker 9: He's basically had to turn over his entire roster, most
21:05
Speaker 9: of it, and it's really really worked. And so I
21:09
Speaker 9: asked him that question and he talked about like how
21:12
Speaker 9: everybody shares the ball and getting everybody involved, and he said,
21:15
Speaker 9: you know, we could call more plays for yoxall and
21:18
Speaker 9: probably score more from yoxall, but we we intentionally design
21:25
Speaker 9: our offense so everybody's involved and everybody scores and everybody
21:30
Speaker 9: touches the ball.
21:30
Speaker 7: So it really is like in.
21:31
Speaker 9: Every second, everyday decision as far as making that go.
21:36
Speaker 9: But the most important piece is that you're a great player.
21:39
Speaker 9: Has to buy into that, and you can just tell
21:41
Speaker 9: the body line. I don't know if you guys have
21:42
Speaker 9: seen like the little post game things they do, like
21:45
Speaker 9: Maurice Johnson stands behind them, like like the guard at
21:49
Speaker 9: Buckingham Palace who's not allowed to smile, right, he does
21:51
Speaker 9: that and towels and they just look like they're having
21:54
Speaker 9: a good time and they really get winning, winning by
21:57
Speaker 9: thirty in the fun, breaking breaking news.
22:00
Speaker 4: I'm glad you said you think Michigan's gonna win it
22:03
Speaker 4: because obviously they play Arizona. Stucatts and I were under
22:05
Speaker 4: the impression that Arizona might be the greatest basketball team
22:08
Speaker 4: that's ever played. But that's only because we've only seen
22:11
Speaker 4: them play once, and that within the Sweet sixteen.
22:12
Speaker 2: In fairness, it was the morning after the Sweet sixteen game,
22:15
Speaker 2: and it's the first time both of us watched in
22:17
Speaker 2: the entire season.
22:19
Speaker 9: You mean you don't living, You're not immersed in this
22:22
Speaker 9: sport twelve months a year, like the nerd that you're talking, Well,
22:26
Speaker 9: you know, so what? But then I assume you watched
22:29
Speaker 9: Michigan against Tennessee.
22:31
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, fair.
22:34
Speaker 7: All to your opinion of the greatest teams in the
22:36
Speaker 7: history of college basketball.
22:37
Speaker 3: Michigan second place.
22:38
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know.
22:39
Speaker 2: Oh still second, I think those two teams played ten
22:41
Speaker 2: times each wins five.
22:42
Speaker 1: How about that?
22:43
Speaker 7: Uh yeah, that's that's that's fair.
22:46
Speaker 9: Well, here's what I would say, and I'm somebody I
22:48
Speaker 9: pick Arizona at the start of the tournament.
22:52
Speaker 7: You know, my second Kelvin Sampson reference.
22:54
Speaker 9: Forgive me, but he's got this great expression I quote
22:56
Speaker 9: a lot when he's talking about players. He'll say, you
22:59
Speaker 9: know that kid, he can get to that top shelf
23:01
Speaker 9: in the pantry.
23:02
Speaker 7: You know.
23:03
Speaker 9: And I feel like Michigan can get to a shelf
23:06
Speaker 9: in the pantry that the other three can't get to.
23:08
Speaker 9: Like peak, Michigan is super scary. I was in San
23:14
Speaker 9: Jose covering the West Regional, so I did see Arizona
23:17
Speaker 9: in person twice. I saw them in person at the
23:22
Speaker 9: beginning of the season when they played in Las Vegas.
23:26
Speaker 9: And there's a lot to like there. I mean, they're
23:28
Speaker 9: just so physically. The thing about Arizona is they physically
23:31
Speaker 9: wear teams out. They crush you in the paint and
23:34
Speaker 9: they crush you on the offensive glass. They're one of
23:36
Speaker 9: those rare teams who actually shoots a pretty good percentage
23:39
Speaker 9: from three. They have good three point shooters on their team.
23:43
Speaker 9: But there's only two teams in the whole country that
23:47
Speaker 9: this season shot three pointers at a lower rate than Arizona.
23:51
Speaker 9: So a lot of times you see the opposite, like
23:53
Speaker 9: you see a team that shoots a high volume of threes,
23:55
Speaker 9: but maybe not a great percentage. So like Alabama, they're
24:00
Speaker 9: gonna shoot their thirty five threes. If they go in,
24:02
Speaker 9: they're gonna beat you. They don't go into Arizona wants
24:04
Speaker 9: to really beat in the paint.
24:06
Speaker 7: I don't think that's gonna work. With Michigan, they're so
24:08
Speaker 7: big up front.
24:09
Speaker 9: They got, you know, Ade Mara is seven foot three,
24:12
Speaker 9: whereas Johnson is six foot.
24:14
Speaker 7: Ten and super strong.
24:15
Speaker 9: And then you got Yoxel at the three, who is
24:19
Speaker 9: a six nine and loves to play defense, loves the
24:22
Speaker 9: challenge up so you figure he matches up with Coopete,
24:26
Speaker 9: it's gonna be it's gonna be great.
24:28
Speaker 7: How about this final four?
24:29
Speaker 9: Man?
24:29
Speaker 7: I know so good? Yeah, And I know everyone's heartbroken about.
24:33
Speaker 3: That, right I love it.
24:34
Speaker 1: Well, we got Yukon, who cares, I mean.
24:37
Speaker 3: Illinois my favorite?
24:37
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, settle for Yukon, yeah, and you know, and Illinois.
24:44
Speaker 9: So it's it's a great, great, great, great final. College
24:46
Speaker 9: basketball is very blessed with these fourteen.
24:48
Speaker 2: It's been a great tournament. It's gonna be a great
24:50
Speaker 2: final four. But Illinois is the team I feel badly for.
24:52
Speaker 2: We're not gonna talk about them. We're not gonna talk
24:54
Speaker 2: about their coach. We're gonna talk about the other three schools.
24:56
Speaker 2: Jay Billis told us last week there's a big difference
24:58
Speaker 2: of being able to make it to the Final four
25:01
Speaker 2: and winning a national championship. So I ask you this,
25:03
Speaker 2: can Illinois win the national championship?
25:06
Speaker 7: Well, they certainly can't, don't.
25:08
Speaker 9: I mean, don't fool yourself, but they'll They're the least
25:12
Speaker 9: likely two of the four. They're playing well though, you know,
25:16
Speaker 9: I mean, part of what happens is, you know what,
25:20
Speaker 9: obviously you have to be good to get to a
25:22
Speaker 9: final four or even a Sweet sixteen or second round
25:25
Speaker 9: in the tournament.
25:26
Speaker 7: Like those teams aren't just good teams.
25:28
Speaker 9: They're playing well, and oftentimes what happens like with Illinois,
25:33
Speaker 9: like a lot of teams.
25:34
Speaker 3: They went through some ups and downs because of injuries.
25:36
Speaker 7: You know, they had a lot of.
25:37
Speaker 9: Stuff going on in the preseason, Like Andrea Stojakovich basically
25:40
Speaker 9: didn't have a summer. First time he practiced with the
25:43
Speaker 9: team was like right before their first game. Takes him
25:46
Speaker 9: a while to get into it. Then they had some
25:47
Speaker 9: guys shuffle in and out, and then Kylen Boswell injures
25:51
Speaker 9: his hand and he's out for three weeks. So Keith
25:53
Speaker 9: Woggler becomes a huge usage guy. He goes he scored
25:56
Speaker 9: over forty one game and he was going nuts. Now
25:59
Speaker 9: Boswell comes back and you got to kind of go
26:01
Speaker 9: through that again. So that's why they kind of lose games.
26:04
Speaker 9: And people are like, well, they're not as good based
26:06
Speaker 9: on their season, but there's reasons inside the season.
26:08
Speaker 7: They're healthy.
26:09
Speaker 9: Now I mean they beat I mean they to defend
26:13
Speaker 9: Houston and match Houston's defensive toughness the way they did.
26:17
Speaker 7: And then the same thing with Iowa. Now Iowa, you know,
26:20
Speaker 7: they were playing well.
26:21
Speaker 9: Physically physically matched up with Florida, which has the best
26:25
Speaker 9: front court in the country, which was really not what
26:27
Speaker 9: they had done over the season.
26:29
Speaker 7: So they were riding high.
26:30
Speaker 9: So for Illinois to go through Houston and Iowa to
26:33
Speaker 9: get to the final four, I mean they can win
26:36
Speaker 9: this thing. But I would, I would, I would probably.
26:40
Speaker 9: I might put them third ahead of Yukon.
26:41
Speaker 7: I don't know.
26:42
Speaker 9: That's close. That's close. Remember Yukon was down nineteen and
26:46
Speaker 9: Yukon has has lost.
26:47
Speaker 7: I mean Yukon.
26:48
Speaker 9: Yukon two weeks ago lost by twenty to Saint John's.
26:51
Speaker 2: I know, right, So second time they lost to Saint
26:54
Speaker 2: John's too, right, Yeah, yeah.
26:56
Speaker 9: I don't know how many how many picks I have
26:58
Speaker 9: to get wrong before people stop as gonna do what
27:00
Speaker 9: think's gonna win?
27:01
Speaker 7: I got I got three to I got three to go.
27:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's what march is all about. You know that?
27:05
Speaker 7: Go ahead, Taylor. Final question, so.
27:07
Speaker 8: What do you make of the Will Wade situation at
27:10
Speaker 8: NC State in LSU because it feels like a lot
27:13
Speaker 8: of NC State fans are surprised that Will Wade will
27:16
Speaker 8: waded them.
27:19
Speaker 7: That's a phenomenal way you could use it.
27:22
Speaker 9: Feel free, it's yours. Yes, So I have not fully
27:28
Speaker 9: done the reporting on this. I will be frank and
27:30
Speaker 9: I haven't. I have not talked to Will about it
27:33
Speaker 9: based on the comments from buch Corrigan, who's I know
27:37
Speaker 9: a long time dad was the longtime commission of the
27:39
Speaker 9: a CEC. I have a very wide latitude for people
27:45
Speaker 9: who need to do what's in their best interest, right,
27:50
Speaker 9: Like you know, Ben McCollum was the head coach at
27:52
Speaker 9: Drake for one year and got an opportunity to go
27:55
Speaker 9: to Iowa and did that.
27:59
Speaker 7: Brad Underwood's coaching final four.
28:00
Speaker 9: He was the head coach at Oklahoma State for one year,
28:03
Speaker 9: left to go to Illinois. So I don't necessarily have
28:07
Speaker 9: a problem with that. That's its business and they got
28:10
Speaker 9: to do its best. From everything that I've heard, Will
28:13
Speaker 9: Wade was so deceptive about the situation, according to Buchorygan
28:18
Speaker 9: again public comments. He went right to Will and said
28:22
Speaker 9: is First of all, Will Wade was asked about this
28:24
Speaker 9: at a press conference. I don't know if it was
28:25
Speaker 9: after the ACC or after.
28:27
Speaker 7: The NCAA tournament. When it ended.
28:29
Speaker 9: A reporter said, there's some chatter about LSU and Will
28:32
Speaker 9: Wade stabbed. He said, well, they have a coach there, right,
28:34
Speaker 9: is it open?
28:35
Speaker 3: Okay?
28:36
Speaker 9: So he was very condescending to the reporter. And it
28:40
Speaker 9: was a good question because the athletic director who hired
28:42
Speaker 9: him at McNeese is now at LSU as like a
28:45
Speaker 9: senior associate AD and there's someone in the administration same
28:49
Speaker 9: thing coming from mcneiss. It was a good and the
28:51
Speaker 9: fact that they were about to get rid of McMahon
28:53
Speaker 9: was pretty well known. And so according to Buchor, again
28:56
Speaker 9: he goes to will Wade and is there something to this?
28:58
Speaker 9: And will Wade swears to him there's no and they
29:00
Speaker 9: try to have these conversations and Blue Corgan found out
29:05
Speaker 9: about it from an email from will Waite's agent. If
29:09
Speaker 9: you're not man enough to pick up the telephone and
29:12
Speaker 9: call Bouk Corrigan and say, here's what's going on. Here's
29:16
Speaker 9: what I'm doing. I know, I'm sorry you're disappointed, but
29:19
Speaker 9: here's what I'm doing. Here's why to have that courtesy.
29:24
Speaker 9: It's just bad. But that's you know again, I mean,
29:27
Speaker 9: this is kind of who's been and he embraces the
29:29
Speaker 9: whole villain black hat thing like, oh, I invented an il.
29:32
Speaker 7: Like so yeah, it's wrong, it's wrong to do it.
29:38
Speaker 7: It's like when Lane Kiffin.
29:40
Speaker 9: To leave a team an old myth that has a
29:43
Speaker 9: chance that you're in the playoff like there's certain things
29:46
Speaker 9: you just don't do, but those guys got to live
29:48
Speaker 9: with it.
29:48
Speaker 7: What can I tell you, Seth Davis, We appreciate the time.
29:51
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a great Final four.
29:52
Speaker 7: I know it's a busy time for you.
29:53
Speaker 1: Thank you for doing this, man.
29:55
Speaker 7: I appreciate you guys enjoying the games.
29:56
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, talk to you soon.