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How Ghislaine Maxwell And Jeffrey Epstein Exploited A Class Divide · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: Everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. Today is
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the fourteenth day of the Gallaine Maxwell trial, and we
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are kind of in a holding pattern as we await
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on the defense to begin making their case starting Thursday.
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So what we're going to do is continue to fill
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in some of those blanks. Now, when we talk about
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Jeffrey Epstein and Gallaine Maxwell, you cannot talk about these
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people without talking about how they used class warfare basically
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on poor people. Now, when I say that, I mean
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they chose people who came from poor and broken homes,
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people who only had one parent in their home, people
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who have been abused, whatever it may be. These were
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the people that Jeffrey Epstein and Glaine Maxwell targeted on
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a daily basis. And when you look at one of
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their main centers of operation, which was Palm Beach, the
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discrepancy between wealth a mirror five or six miles away
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between West Palm Beach and Palm Beach is mind boggling.
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Now I live in Las Vegas, so I see this
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all the time. You live in a place like Las Vegas,
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and you look at Las Vegas Boulevard, all of the money,
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all of the wealth, all of the prestige. You take
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a quick drive two miles east one mile east into
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East Las Vegas, into central Las Vegas, and you see
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right away how different of a story it is. Homeless camps,
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people struggling, you know, daily weekly apartments, the whole flip.
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And you can see how there's almost an invisible line
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from where the wealth ends and the misery begins. And
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I'm sure most of you, wherever you're from, if you're
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from a big city, you have areas like this as well.
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I watched a documentary about kids in Orange County, California,
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and it broke my heart. These kids lived across the
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street from Disneyland and these hotels, and obviously their parents
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never had the money to bring them to Disneyland. So
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these kids every night would watch the fireworks go over
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into the parking lots, hang out in the parking garage,
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but they never had a chance to actually go into
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the park. And it's just it's a microcosm of how
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society is in general at this point. There are those
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who have and then there's the rest of us. And
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when I talk about the discrepancy in wealth, I'm not
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talking about you know, your buddy Joe who went to
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cool and worked his way up and earning a great living.
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Now I'm talking about generational wealth. I'm talking about wealth
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that most of us will never even be able to comprehend.
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And that's the kind of wealth that Maxwell and Epstein
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came from. Maxwell, especially Epstein by proxy. But Maxwell was
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born into this. Her father, Robert Maxwell, super rich guy.
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What do you think they were sitting around talking well
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of poor people? Of course they weren't. So Glenn Maxwell
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has always been one of these upper crust types who
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looks down her nose at the rest of us. And
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all you have to do again is listen to the
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survivors themselves. Cut out the middleman. You really need some
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jerk off from the New York Times to tell you
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the deal when the survivors are telling you the story themselves.
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Glenn Maxwell had a pretty shitty opinion of people who
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were poor. Maxwell, according to all of these allegations and
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to what a lot of these survivors have said, had
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nothing good to say about people who were poor. And
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when you add all of that up and you look
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at the people that they targeted, it's rather obvious what
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was going on here. It's rather obvious that Glen Maxwell
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and Jeffrey Epstein weren't doing this on a whim. This
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was planned out. This was plotted out. And we go
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back to New Mexico once again, because it's the elephant
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in the room. He chose New Mexico for a reason.
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He knew that he could take these girls there and
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look at little penalty, little to no penalty in fact,
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for abusing them. Oh well, sixteen's the age of consent.
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They consented, says you. And of course, who was brought
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to Zorro Ranch, who was brought to the Manhattan Townhouse,
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who was brought down to Palm Beach or the Virgin Islands,
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Girls from broken homes, girls who were poor, and girls
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that Maxwell and Epstein looked at as less then, And
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that's just the fact of the situation. That's how they
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looked at it, looked at people, looked at us, everybody,
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but these girls specifically, there were nothing more to them
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than a thing to be traded, a commodity. And we
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all know that that's not how things should be. No
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human beings should ever be put into any kind of
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servitude or thought that they have to use their body
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to get by. It's not how this is supposed to work,
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and then the fact that this guy and Maxwell and
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the rest of these scumbags got away with it for
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so long, with so many girls coming out and telling
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their story, is just beyond the pill. But when you
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look at the overall picture here and you look at
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the Emma oh, between Epstein and Maxwell and their criminal enterprise,
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it was always the same kind of girls who were targeted,
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poor and from the other side of the tracks. This morning,
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we're gonna touch on an article from Financial Times that
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kind of goes into this a little bit, and we're
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gonna see what they have to say about it. This
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article was authored by Joshua Choffin. On the eighth day
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of the government sex trafficking case against Glaine Maxwell, a
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prosecutor asked a witness known as Sean what the difference
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was between Palm Beach and West Palm Beach, to Florida
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towns separated by a drawbridge. Object over there, said Sean,
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a West Palm Beach native, sounding as though the nearby
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island were a different planet. Growing up, He told the
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jerry he had very rarely even ventured into Palm Beach
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because I didn't have enough money to buy anything in
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the gas station. That changed, he said, when he began
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ferrying his fourteen year old girlfriend to the island to
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provide sexualized massages for Jeffrey Epstein. Soon they were struggling
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to find the store to change the bills in West
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Palm Beach, where they don't accept one hundred dollar bills.
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Sean explained, that's something you'll see in a lot of
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poor neighborhoods for sure, the fact that they're not going
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to accept those one hundred dollar bills. You better come
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with something smaller, for sure. And according to Sean, he
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went from not being able to afford anything in the
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gas station to have in all these hundred dollar bills
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after bringing Caroly and his girlfriend over for sexualized massages
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at Jeffrey Epstein's house. Classes threaded throughout the Epstein story,
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Maxwell and Oxford educated product of fee paying British public schools,
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used hers to smooth the social path of the Coney
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Island born Epstein when they joined forces in the early
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nineteen nineties Manhattan now classes present in Maxwell's criminal trial too.
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It loomed as witnesses recounted over the last two weeks
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how a tall British woman with that with what one
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called a proper English accent, lured them when they were
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young and poor, into a world beyond their imagination. So
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you get the idea here where he's going in the article,
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And the fact of the matter is, this is exactly
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what happened. Jeffrey Epstein and Glene Maxwell chose these young
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girls from these broken homes because they knew that they'd
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be able to get away with it, or that it
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would be more likely that they'd be able to get
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away with it. So they went on there spree. And
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you want to talk about the early nineties, we can
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go back a little bit earlier, even Jeffrey Epstein. Look,
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this isn't something that just happens overnight. You don't wake
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up one morning and have a broken brain like this
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dude and think trafficking little girls is a good idea.
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You came off the assembly line fucked up. You're a lemon.
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There ain't no fixing you. It doesn't matter what mechanic
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we bring you to. Nobody's fixing you, bro. People like
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this need to be put underneath the jail. The author
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goes on in the article to say it sounded practically
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like a Dickinson novel when one of Maxwell. Accuser described
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how Epstein had sent a chauffeur driven car to bring
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he I earned her mother across the bridge for tea
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at his Palm Beach mansion. The girl was fourteen at
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the time and her father had died months earlier, bankrupting
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the family. She said. After offering himself as her patron,
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Epstein would go on to abuse the girl for years.
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She testified. Maxwell helped, she said, by winning her confidence
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and gradually pushing her boundaries. Maxwell would help normalize all
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of it. That was her role. Maxwell was the one
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to make these girls feel comfortable, the one where you know,
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if you're one of these girls, you'd say to yourself, Oh,
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this is lady with this posh accent. This is never
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going to happen to me. I'm never going to get
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abused in the when I'm in the company of somebody
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like Glaine Maxwell. And then all of that is flipped
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on its head. Everything that these girls thought was going
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to be the case turned out to be something completely different.
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And then the whole Oh why do they keep going back?
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You got to get deeper into the nuance of it all,
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my friend. People who have that kind of commentary don't
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really understand what goes on here and the psyche behind
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all of it. There is so much that goes on,
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as far as the gas lighting, Stockholm syndrome, the grooming,
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the normalization of it all. It's just absurd how much
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goes into it, but it's effective. When these people get
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their hooks into somebody, it's almost impossible to get them out.
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When you normalize this kind of weird ass weirdo behavior.
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When kids are young and their brains are still developing,
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it's a whole lot easier to get them involved, to
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have them as part of the operation, right, send them
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out to bring in other girls, because you've normalized it
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to them, so in their brains they say, well, this
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is normal behavior. Maybe my friends want to make some money.
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And it goes on and on and on. And remember,
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it couldn't have happened if it was just Epstein, some
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creepy ass, old looking weirdo. He had to have all
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of these other moving parts, the Glaine Maxwell's, the Sarah
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Helln Vickers, the Leslie Groffs, the Adriana Rosses. And you
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look at Nadia Marchenkova, her situation, her being, you know,
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given to Jeffrey Epstein, as a fifteen year old to
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be groomed and molded to what he wants. That's a
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whole different kind of disgusting, draconian sadness. But Epstein couldn't
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have done this in a vacuum. He couldn't have done
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this without the help of somebody like Glaine Maxwell. The
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article goes on to say Maxwell denies this and other
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suggestions of wrongdoing. Her attorneys insist she has been made
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a scapegoat for the sins of Epstein, who died by
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suicide allegedly in a New York prison cell a month
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after he was arrested in two thy and nineteen. So
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that is the premise for her defense. There's no doubt
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about it. Let's try and destroy the credibility of the
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survivors and decusers, and let's make sure we pin this
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all on Epstein, because there's no way Glaiine Maxwell could
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have been involved in this right, no way at all.
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But yet here we are once again with another story
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about Gallaine Maxwell, with more witness testimony about Gallaine Maxwell.
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And while it is a not unexpected move on the
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part of the defense to try and make it all
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about Epstein, the fact of the matter is this, Gallaine
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Maxwell was present. Gallian Maxwell was actively participating, according to
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the allegations, and this is not about Jeffrey Epstein. This
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is about Gallaine Maxwell. They have also tried to use
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class to their advantage during the trial. In our opening statement,
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attorney Bobby Sternham claimed the accusers were money grabbers who
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had twisted the truth in hopes of financial jackpot. It
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was reminiscent of political strategist James Carville dismissing former President
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Clinton sexual accusers in nineteen ninety four by remarking, drag
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one hundred dollar bill through a trailer park, you never
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know what you'll find. Yeah, remember that, James Carville, mister
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big time, big shot over there under the umbrella. That's
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how they feel about you, all of them, Bill Clinton,
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Hillary Clinton. They don't think they care about you. They
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think that if they drag one hundred dollar bill through
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a trailer park that maybe you know, one of your
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family members will bite. Maybe they can bring one of
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your family members into the fold. A bunch of sick
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bastards with comments like that. And still somebody who's running
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around on TV right, where's his cancel culture moment? Yeah,
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don't don't worry. I won't hold my breath either. It
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is not clear whether cl glass issues will sway the
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jury of mostly working class New Yorkers who will decide
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the fate of a British socialite or you know, co conspirator, general,
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all around scuzbag, fellow child abuser, and bipedal serpent. Throughout
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the trial, prosecutors have shown them photos of Epstein's private
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jets and opulent properties in New York, New Mexico, the Caribbean,
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and Palm Beach, where the bathroom had a sofa. Oh well,
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bathroom had a sofa, So there's that. As a gossip columnist,
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columnist in Palm Beach, Jose Lambia developed a jaded view
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about the divide between Palm Beach, a manicured bunker of
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old money, and West Palm Beach, a place that was
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originally built to house the how's the help and long
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suffered from a reputation of drugs and violence. Well, that's
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how it always goes, right, You build a shanty town
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for the hired help, and then you know, let's treat
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them like shit, let them live in weekly whatever it
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may be. But as long as the stench isn't permeating
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over there into a Palm Beach where you got all
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that beautiful money right where people like Trump and Epstein
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are hanging out. Can't have it over there. Keep that
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shit six miles away. No gentrification projects, none of these
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big shot loudmouths who live in the area stepping up
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to help the community like usual. Just take, take, take,
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and take. And at the same time, ah, if we
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abuse some poor kids along the way, who gives a fuck, Well,
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breaking news, you disgusting assholes. We all do. The story
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here in my book is how the rich have once
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again found a way to screw the poor. Lambiit who
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now works as a private detective. Set of the Epstein case,
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these girls were from five or six miles away, as
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the crow flies, where the houses are worth fifty or
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sixty thousand dollars. That's how much one of these people,
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Jeffrey Epstein and his friends watches cost whole house for
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sixty thousand dollars. It shows you the sort of destitution,
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the poverty that was present in the area and in
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the neighborhood where Epstein and Gleainne Maxwell went and West
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Palm Beach just across the intracoastal waterway from Palm Beach
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has changed as the region has as prospered, it has
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caught some of the spillover as billionaires have pushed millionaires
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off Palm Beach Island. It is now becoming a hub
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for hedge funds fleeing New York to take advantage of
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Florida's low taxes. Goldman Sachs is, just leave space. So
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now what will happen is these scumbags, hedge funders and
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the rest will come in and they'll eat up all
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the property. It'll shoot up property prices and values. There'll
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be no gentrification, and they'll simply reap the benefits of
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the tax structure of Florida. We're seeing it here in
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East Las Vegas as we speak. The idea is, if
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you're gonna come into one of these areas, you have
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to gentrify it with your billions of dollars. You're catching
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all kinds of breaks on the tax end, and here
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you are just stuffing money in your pockets like the
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robber barons you are. It is absurd. Still downbeat pockets remain,
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as they do in other towns in the vicinity, such
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as Royal Palm Beach and locks of Hatchie, from which
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many of Epstein's survivors held. I've never seen a divide
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quite like the one in Palm Beach County, said Jonathan Beaton,
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who worked as a television reporter in the area for
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many years. You can go from heaven to hell in
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fifteen miles. Look, I gotta tell you that's pretty much
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par for the course here in Las Vegas too. Like
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I said in the opening, you can go in Las Vegas.
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You can be in one neighborhood where there are literally
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ten twenty million dollar homes and a mile away there'll
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be a homeless camp. But these people are into it right.
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They're living in their communities, their gated communities, with guards,
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no access to the whole nine, while the rest of
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us are just left to suffer. You can also find resentment.
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When he testified last week, Juanna Lessi was still bitter
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from his dozen years as Epstein's Palm Beach property manager.
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It was slavery, he said, So, yeah, wouldn't you resent
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that as well if you were, you know, working to
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the bone by Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell and they're not
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giving you the proper compensation. Now, don't get it twisted.
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I'm not a fan of wana Lessi. I've told you
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guys that from Jump Street. If this man was really
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bout it, he would have stepped up to the plate
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back in the day and tried to stop this shit.
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But he didn't like the rest of these scoundrels, so
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he'll never be a good guy as far as I'm concerned.
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Maxwell called them John and institute at house rules that
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he found degrading. One example, Maxwell for bay him and
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staff for making eye contact with Epstein. I don't know
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why you'd want to make eye contact with Epstein anyway,
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tell you the truth, gross as an ugly son of
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a bitch. She later reprimanded Alessi in an email to
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another staffer for doing a truly awful job after he
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had allegedly failed the stock pens and bottled water in
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the black mirk that is the Mercedes. So stop the press, folks.
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There's no water and there's no pens in the black Mercedes. Well,
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I wonder if you remembered the gray poupon. Alessi took
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his revenge after he quit returning to the house in
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two thousand and three and swiping sixty three hundred in
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cash from Epstein. He even admitted under cross examination, well,
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what's he gonna do? Lie, I think that that's kind
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of going to backfire on the prosecution, I mean the
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defense as well. No, there's no such thing as a
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perfect witness, right, and ALESSI being somebody who is obviously
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a pretty scummy it shouldn't take away from the fact
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of the testimony as far as what he's seen. Now,
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certainly it comes down to credibility and reliability and what
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the jurors are going to feel and believe, so that
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certainly comes into play. But there's no such thing as
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a perfect witness. All my life, I worked very hard
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and saved a lot of money, including the time I
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worked for mister Epstein, he said, attempting to defend his honor.
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At times, the social gap between Maxwell, daughter of the
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late British press baron and embezzler Robert Maxwell, and her
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accusers has seemed unimaginably vast. Again, here's another question to
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ask yourself, what's Maxwell doing hanging out with all of
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these girls anyway? All right, let's say in a perfect
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world there wasn't all of this evidence against her, Why
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are you hanging out with girls from downtrodden backgrounds, girls
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that are from broken homes, and girls that are literally
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fourteen and fifteen years old. What possible excuse can you
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have for that? You don't think the prosecution should ask something,
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should ask something like that. It's just, you know, when
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when we look back at this and we take a
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look in hindsight, I think we're going to see so
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many missed opportunities by prosecution. While Maxwell flew on the
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Concord was friends with Britain's Prince Andrew and attended Chelsea
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Clinton's wedding, one of her accusers, Carolyn, dropped out of
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middle school in West Palm Beach at thirteen and beg
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and began dating Sean, then seventeen, who lived across the street.
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Carolyn had been molested by her grandfather, she told the Jerry,
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and her mother was an alcoholic and a drug addict.
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Now add to that what Maxwell and Epstein did to her,
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and you have the perfect storm now for Maxwell's lawyers
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to go after her the way they did and try
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and make her feel like she was a piece of shit, reprehensible.
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In my opinion, of course, that's their job. I get.
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It doesn't mean I can't find it reprehensible because I do,
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because I'm an idiot. She equipped with a kind of
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lower class fatalism when asked by a prosecutor to explain
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why she was arrested in twenty eleven for cocaine possession.
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Drive around and smoke pot is how Sean described their relationship.
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So because somebody smokes pot, by the way, that makes
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them a bad person or a liar or somebody who
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is unreliable. It's a ridiculous line, right, And the whole
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bringing up the drugs and all of that, it just
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it goes right back to their whole entire game plan
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and their book of tricks. From the original prosecution. Carolyn
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was brought to Epstein by another local teenager, Virginia Roberts,
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whose father worked at an in maintenance at Donald Trump's
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marl Ilago Club on Palm Beach. I was young, and
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three hundred dollars was a lot of money to me,
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Carolyn said, of Robert's offer to earn some cash by
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helping her massage a rich man and Palm Beach for
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an hour. Now, remember we're talking about two little girls, Okay.
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The pyramid scheme of human beings that Jeffrey Epstein and
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Maxwell was running. They'd bring in one girl, in this instance,
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it was Virginia. They'd groom her, normalize her, and then
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send her out to bring in more friends. Now, mind you,
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these girls are all little girls when they're doing this,
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and that was how they had this pyramid scheme running,
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especially in Palm Beach, for years, and even when somebody
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ratted them out, Even when one of these girls went
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to the authorities, all Epstein got was the minor slap
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on the wrist he ended up with. The first time
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she went to Epstein's house, Carolyn testified she was greeted
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by a woman with an English accent who would arrange
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some of the one hundred or so sexualiz massages she
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would give Epstein over the next two years. She ended
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up calling her Maxwell. Carolyn said, why, the prosecutor asked,
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because I couldn't exactly pronounce her first name correctly. Yeah,
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you and everybody else When this all first started, I
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couldn't pronounce her name correctly either. Then again, I'm terrible
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at pronouncing names. I speak New York Italian, so sometimes
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the pronunciation is a little bit off, shall we say.
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Carolyn went on to become a drug addict, a prostitute,
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and a single mother. In court last week, she was
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face to face with Maxwell, who sat just across from her.
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At one point, she railed at her, you broke my soul.
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Gut wrenching, folks. It really is gut wrenching and horrible,
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all of it. It makes me sad. And the fact
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that it's the most vulnerable amongst us every single time
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you turn around, is just another reason to want to
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see these people brought to justice. Now will they be?
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That's the definite question we're all asking. We'll have to
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see what kind of defense Maxwell and her team brings
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to the table starting Thursday, and if they bring all
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thirty five of those alleged witnesses to the box. Another
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thing that I doubt's going to happen, but we have
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to discuss, is will Maxwell take the stand herself. Very
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interesting question, no doubt about it. As you can see,
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I uploaded a couple of episodes for some context, Scott
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Borgerson episode, some other stuff, and I'll continue to do
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that throughout the day. Today, same schedule as we've been
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on and tonight I'll be back with morning the I mean,
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the evening wrap up. And we'll see where we're at
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and what we should expect come tomorrow. But for now, folks,
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that's gonna do it. And if you'd like to contact me,
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