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Spiritual Practices as Magic with Daniel Du Bois · The Bridges and Beacons Podcast

• 0:39
  SPEAKER_02: Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the Mystic Nerds Quad Podcast.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_02: I am your host, Kelly Vierson, bringing you a third episode with my good friend Daniel Dubois.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_02: And let me just remind you a little bit about him before we get started.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_02: Daniel is a spirit-cultivated channeler and teacher who helps people build solid connections with the spiritual world by giving them a strong foundation of self-awareness and sense of the spiritual forces around them.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_02: Daniel, thank you so much for coming back to chat with me.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know what?
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: I always love coming on here.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's always a great time.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: There always feels good to be here.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_01: Flow is always there, I guess, to say.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_02: So, Daniel, um, when you were last year, you had a project you were starting on for your podcast.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_02: Would you mind sharing with us what that project was?
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_02: And I know it has come to some level of completion.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_02: Would you share that with us a little bit?
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: So uh starting in 2025 at the beginning, we began this project, but the rec like the sharing of that started in March.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: But what we started, me and my co-host, we kind of took on the responsibility of awakening some things in the world.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_01: So some things we're waiting in preparation for the time we find ourselves in, because depending on what you follow, you might realize we're starting a new age.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like we're a new age of Aquarius, has started in November, but there's like a literally a new new age in how we're developing as a society.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: As a I want to say as a species, I guess.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: But I think it actually this is like planetary, so species is not the only thing.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_01: But we've uh helped unlock some new, we'll say some new wisdom, some new magic, some new uh downloads for people who get downloads.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_01: Some new magic is opening up for people to use.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: And uh and we did kind of every episode up until the last episode I recorded, which will be as of this recording of this podcast a week ago.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_01: We've been releasing like there's some new dragons.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: There's some new uh new resources have also been released that were waiting to be opened for this time.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: So every week basically we cast the spell.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: Either I we did it either together.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the first spell we did was together, and we bookended it by finishing doing two spells together, and then we each traded off once a week to create a spell.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: And it was uh so now what that does for everyone else is that it frees up resources for people to use in their own pursuits magically, and at a it's come to a good at a good time, right?
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_01: Because the world's changing, the world is getting a little bit crazy.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_01: I say a little bit, but the world's plenty crazy enough.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_01: Well, these are this is your chance to use your spiritual practices to bring some balance to the world or bring some improvement.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: That basically the project in a nutshell.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_01: Now, what I wanted to add for the last one, because it started like this.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: We cast what I would call a and I don't know if I mentioned it last time I was on.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: So we cast a spell of scales and feathers, so basically dragons and angels.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: So basically making this basically divine cosmic magic.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: And in the last one, we we cast, and this is interesting enough.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_01: So if there's a pantheon with the goddess of the earth, they were involved in the last spell.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: So it went from a divine cosmic spell to a earth magic spell, with pretty much every pantheon that has an earth mother being present.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: It was actually pretty interesting.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_01: And the episode, I ended up titling the episode.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'm gonna say this, I'm gonna sound ridiculous, but I'm gonna say it.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's called But Earth Mom is the title of the episode.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_01: Because the Earth Mrothers were very being very motherly, very motherly disciplinarian, also.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: Because as you might imagine, right?
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_01: We're not doing the best for the planet at the moment.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_01: They were on their duty giving their motherly glares and their wagging of the motherly fingers and the I love it.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_01: So that's kind of where the project brought us.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_01: We used divine magic to bring us up into Earth Magic, and that is pretty much released at least for our part.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know who else was involved in this project because I just do my part.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: So there's now a bunch of tools out there.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_01: And this is where we got to the part that Kelly's excited about.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: So there's a lot of magic out there to be used, to be taken, to be received, really.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_01: And the kicker is, even though I teach magic, I'm gonna give you all a freebie.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna give you a quick way to do your own magic, is that you get to decide how your magic is.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: And so what Kelly was excited about is singing, singing magic.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know if you want to share about that.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: Because your excitement it's good for them to hear your excitement about it.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_02: So I I love what Daniel was sharing, is that as we're awakening in our own spiritual gifts, and so many of us, maybe that wasn't the way that our connection to God's source energy love was when we were younger growing up, we may have had more conventional ways that we came to goodness and love and light.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_02: And so one fast track, I don't know if I'm putting that word out there right, but one fast track to that rather than trying to upheave everything you've always done is to look at what was your practice, what worked for you.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_02: So he made the connection to if you grew up Catholic and you used the saints as part of your religious practice, then maybe, you know, connecting with the saints for part of your spiritual practice.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_02: And so I said to him, what's so interesting is I've been having these conversations around, you know, growing up Catholic and really having a lot of thoughts about how my journey in the church, and with no judgment for what it is, and if you're somebody who is very connected, I'm I'm happy for that for you.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um growing up in the 80s in the church, I wanted to be more involved and I couldn't because I was a girl.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_02: And so the alternative to that became an opportunity to participate in the starting of a children's choir.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, funny enough, the church that I grew up attending is actually down the end of my street, and I moved back to where I grew up.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_02: So it's still there and I'm sure still a flourishing children's choir, but um, I always resonated with using my voice to sing, and that is when I felt most connected to God's source energy.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_02: So, what Daniel is saying is then that is your voice is the way for you, could be the way for you.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_02: Does that make sense, Daniel?
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_02: Did I recap that?
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I want because you remember I had said your uh subconscious is your resource manager, and it's also the resource manager for the connection between your spiritual self and your conscious self.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_01: So whatever's already in that place that already bridges that gap for you, use it.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and it doesn't have to be religious.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: I was actually musing before, you know, seeing you that, you know, for some millennials, maybe you want to focus on a Pokemon.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what all the God tier Pokemon are called.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: There it's I'm I'm a little bit older than Pokemon, just a little bit.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I was still young enough when it came out, but you know, it wasn't my thing.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, do you want to call on the power of Pikachu?
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I want to be clear, like, I'm not saying this to play down or to mock anything when I say that.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: But what I mean is that, like, when it comes to religion, a lot of people have left religion for various reasons.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: But the idea is not to be stuck as if you think the religion is literal.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_01: Use it as a metaphor because it's really what religion and stories are for.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: They're metaphors to get you excited about something.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_01: In the same way with magic, because you want to get your resource manager going, then you want those metaphors to mean something to you.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like when I go swimming, for an example, pretty much everyone in my immediate family still kind of blesses themselves by doing a sign of the cross.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: But no one goes to church, no one really believes, you know, follows it anymore.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: But like, you know, I grew up Catholic, I went to a Catholic school, Catholic high school.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: So, like when I lose things, I still pray to Saint Saint Anthony.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: I call him Tony, so I get different results, you know.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_01: But I say, Hey Tony, I'm looking for this.
• 10:35
  unknown: Yeah.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: And they fall on X or like Tony, let's go.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: But uh because the thing is, there's spirits out there, and whatever can bridge the gap in communication, if they need to show up to you, as like say Saint Anthony to help you find something, they'll do that.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Because you have spirits around you that already want to work with you, and it's easier for them to work with you if you already have a story that you want them to fulfill for you.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's the easiest way, and but unless you have like you're really, really skilled, then you don't need the stories anymore.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's fine.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: You still do need them a little bit because we are human beings, and it's still what fires our passion, which lets us work spiritually.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: So you can use any metaphor, right?
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's the church of uh the Jedi Order, so you can train to become a Jedi.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, now you can use it for magic.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_01: Or you know, you can do your pagan weight, like you can be a pagan, pray to whoever you want to pray to.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like when we were doing the spells for this project, uh Lola showed up, Hekate showed up.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: Who else?
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, like I said, uh when we did the last one, while not part of the spell before the spell, Gaia, right?
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: The the the earth, if you will.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: You get more earth mothery than being your earth, right?
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: So but like those things came up, but like, is that their actual names?
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like if you found them walking down the street, would they would they respond to that?
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe, but it's the metaphor that matters, it's what that metaphor brings up for you.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: So anything like you know, and with the advent of anime, right?
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like probably a bunch of people running around thinking they're super saiyans, right?
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: From Dragon Ball Z.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: So whatever, whatever excites you, that's your magic right now.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: There's forces out there waiting for you to cultivate them.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: And if those are the metaphors you need, I mean, and we do that, right?
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's like I don't even have to be talked to you about magic.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: I can tell you if you want to run faster, pretend you're like the flash from like comics or the movies, like and you'll put all your resources into running faster.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, like that's kind of my refrain every time.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I say do this for magic, but it's like, but you can do it for anything.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: Anything, that's how your body works.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's that resource manager is the same, whether you're using your spiritual things or things from the material world.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_01: So do the same way now.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: Anything that excites you spiritually, anything that'll get you excited enough, and that'll break the uh cognitive dissonance.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_01: Because you might think to yourself, well, I can't do this, right?
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_01: This is weird stuff.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_01: I don't, why would I do that?
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: But if you're listening here, and you probably already have a certain sense of feeling that there's something more, right?
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: So this would be one way to connect to it.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: But remember, it's a metaphor.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: So don't let so if you end up making a higher connection and you don't need it anymore, that's fine.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: You can drop it.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: Don't get stuck in it.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I say use the metaphor and don't take it literally, but let that metaphor, let that excitement that comes from the story still push you through, still carry you, still elevate you.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: The word that's coming up for me is accessibility.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_02: So just that things that are more familiar to us or allow us to have an understanding from the get-go and make some of these things that seem kind of out there a little bit more accessible.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and I'll tell you, like, so I think I've said this last time I was on.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: One of the people that I'm teaching is my mother.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I've been trying to make her do it my way.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: But, and this might be an amusing way to put it, but I tend to treat magic and spiritual stuff in a secular way.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: As in, I usually ignore the stories that other people have said.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: So to me, like spiritual beings are just these amorphous blobs that take on a form to communicate with you.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: So I but I kind of see it more as like a mechanistic, very I don't know, sometimes boring ways, like the this spirit, yeah.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's just I'll give it an identity and it'll show up and it'll be whatever that is.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: And then I don't give much stock into the story beyond that, in all honesty.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like, which may affect the way I do, probably affects the way I do magic, probably why I don't cast spells that often, because I kind of tend to take it more well, non-magically, for lack of a better wording.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: Because even for me, after that last spell, the advice for me is to go back and like so I'm Metis, which in Canada's rights half is I have indigenous ancestry.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: So after we did that spell, the thing I was given is like, okay, now go explore that part of you.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: Because that, like, so shamanism, that kind of thing.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: Go explore into that because that's always excited me.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's always made me think, like, you know, animism, animal spirit guides, that kind of thing.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm started exploring into that to do work.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: But it's whatever gets you going, whatever excites you, that's the time, that's the thing to do right now.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, and for so many of us, getting them permission to follow what lights you up versus trying to convince yourself that you're excited about something that you're not.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_02: Which I think that also feels very like the age of Aquarius.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_02: That it's it's a little more of an enlightened way.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_02: Enlightened, meaning not like enlightened, like you suddenly understand everything, but light within, enlightened, you know, that the light is coming from within you, that you're following what creates that light within you.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_02: And that that's the magic, that's the spirituality, that's the growth.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: And if people need it, you have my permission to be a child again.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: Because children learn through playing.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they'll make up stories in their mind, and that's how they learn new things.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: So play, be a child again, in your inner self at least.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: And that's how most of you will get access to what's been done.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like all this new energy, this new magic that's released into the world right now, or re-released into the world, however you want to look at it.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: But it's yeah, it's getting again getting in touch with who you are, loving who you are, and really get to play with the ideas that excite you.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: And that's where you'll make your connections.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's how you'll start to get past whatever's blocking you right now.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_02: Last time we talked, we were talking really about authenticity, being yourself.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_02: And so the work that you're transitioning into next is about adding to that.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_02: So tell us about that.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: So for me, right?
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: Because my life would be so simple if it was just, you know, not anything like this.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: But to move next, like this is what I was given.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: So to continue this journey to move on to this more indigenous to North America style magic, I have to learn to actual project.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: Something that I've pretty much put myself on lockdown from.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: I don't do it.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: People have tried to pull me out to make me do it, and it's never worked because I'm locked in, like really tightly locked in.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: But part of it is like I I say, like, because I had this discussion with the spirits I work with, because I started getting frustrated trying to learn it, and I'm like, I already live in both worlds, like I got a foot in the material world and I got a foot in the spiritual world.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: So you guys can communicate with me anytime, and most of you have to go out of your way not to be seen by me now.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and you can talk to me, and I usually just say, hey, you guys want to do something?
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: Here's some energy, do whatever you need to do because they need us to be the focal point in the material world.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm like, everything that you need for magic, you already have everything you want me to now relearn, or not relearn, re I'm stuck for a word for that.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's like I even had a dream where on the after we had finished casting the spell and I learned that I have to start doing this new thing.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: The first thing I did was dream of it's not that you have to be trained to do these things, it's that you have to get a new perspective.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: So now I have to take, I have basically I have to allow myself that childlike joy again, is really what it's getting at.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because I've been looking at it too uh too serious, too secular way, right?
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: Looking at it, you know, almost kind of wanting to get out a calculator and go, okay, if you pray pray for this long or chant for this long, this is how long the effect will last for.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: This is how many units of energy you'll put up.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like I almost got like I got really scientific about it, trying to and trying to figure out, okay, well, can I measure this?
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if I use an EVP or uh if I use an electric electromagnetic meter, will it read anything?
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I kind of got too much in my head about it.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: So now they're like, okay, now you have to play with this again.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: And this is something you'll play with the idea of you know animal spirits and spirits from your ancestors and that kind of uh, you know, elemental magics, shape shiftings, herbal medicines, all those kinds of things.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because I became too serious about it and I got too lost in my head about it instead of just enjoying it and doing it.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's kind of where I am right now.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: But sorry, so what I was gonna before giving you all that uh information, what I was gonna say is now I have to learn to astral project so I can sit with the ancestral practice uh ancestral practitioners at their fire.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: They have a space waiting for me, but I have to learn to astral project to get there to it.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: So currently I'm trying to learn all do all the shadow work to get rid of the things that are keeping me locked in my body.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's so interesting.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_02: What if you feel comfortable to share, what do you feel like is really locking you in the most?
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_02: Is it the the mind like just taking it too much into science, or is it something more than that for you?
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: Well, uh there's there's two two ways of looking at my issue.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: Is one is so I've said before, power doesn't corrupt, power reveals.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_04: Hmm.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: And so sometimes I say, Oh, what would this reveal?
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: If I could astrophect, you know, pretty much fairly easily, what would that mean?
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: What would I do with that?
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: And then I wonder, I'm a human being, right?
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: There's things you want to know, there's things you want to do, things you want to explore.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: So then it's like, would I respect people's boundaries?
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: Would I not go into places just because I want to go there?
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: So then that kind of hit me.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: What does this mean?
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what kind of person would I be if I could do this at will?
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then, like, you know, there's scary stuff out there.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna lie.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: There's a certain lack of courage on my behalf on this one.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean, you have to face it and you have to deal with those things, right?
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm not gonna lie, there's a little bit of uh oof, what am I gonna see?
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like being in this, as I say, this VR suit, there's a certain comfort level of, oh, there might be a scary thing there, but I can't see it.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so like even though I kind of live in both worlds, I got like the security of a body to kind of let me deny things, right?
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: But once I'm out, there's no denying what's there.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it makes me those are my actually two biggest issues.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it makes me think of um the the fact that like you said, once you've opened Pandora's box with the information, you could have all the knowledge of the universe, but then you have all the knowledge of the universe and you can't cram it back into the box if.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's out or it's in, and you can't unsee or unknow anything.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I feel like that's such a natural human struggle, right?
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: Once you because power comes with responsibility.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we can like hate on people who have more power than us, and we can scoff at people with less power than us.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: But any power you have, you have responsibility.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: The more you're capable of knowing, like then there's the more you know, the more responsibility you have to act on that knowledge and do things with it.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes it's just easier to be ignorant of things.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, for sure.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I I answered your the reason I want to answer your question, even though like it's not it's not easy to say, well, you know, and part of me is scared, right?
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: And part of me looks at me and goes, Yeah, you're a bit of a jerk.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I should you have this power, right?
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: But I want people to know, like these are very real feelings people have, and it's very real.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: So even me, the guy who's telling you about it, I struggle with it too.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think that's fair.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: And I think the there would be perhaps more concern for you to just jump off the cliff without checking to see if you have a parachute or making sure you're not causing some sort of chaos by doing so.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_02: Being fearless isn't always a good thing, you know?
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: I uh, you know, it it makes me think of I don't know if you've ever seen the show The Thin Blue Line as Rowan Atkinson, and it's a British comedy.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: And Rowan Atkinson plays you know, Mr.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: Bean, he plays a police chief.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so, right, so in England, they don't the police don't carry guns openly, they have to get special requests for it, right?
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: So one of the one of his officers underneath him says, I want to carry a gun, can I get a gun?
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: And so the chief, right, says no.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: And he says, Well, why?
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: He says, It's because you want one, so I don't want to give you one because you want one.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: Now, if you didn't want one and you needed it, I would give it to you, but you just want it, right?
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the thing, right?
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like, even though now magic would be more readily available, that means power is more readily available to you because you're now doing things that are generally unseen to the general population.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: So why do you want this?
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: If you find yourself able to tap into it more, why do you want to?
• 25:16
  unknown: Yeah.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: So these are actually kind of big questions to ask yourself.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: Things are available now, a lot more available than they were.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so you have to ask yourself, why do you want it?
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's like actually uh kind of tied into this.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: So one of the most recent episodes we did were about tolpas.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if a tolpa is.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: So a tolpa is a it's a spiritual, it's a spirit you make.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's basically a part of you, and it's I think so.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: There's some people who have a modern, it's a Tibetan thing.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: There's a modern practice called Tolpa Mancy.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: Basically the same thing, and they describe it as imagine it's your imaginary friend, but your imaginary friend on steroids.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good place to start.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: So you make a uh sort of well, you make a kind of an imaginary friend, if you will, that that's a copy of you, but it but this is a real spirit form, and you and you can have it do stuff for you.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of you split yourself in two, or how many tolpas you can actually make.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: It takes time to make them, they don't just get made, but it shares your resources, right?
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: Your brain processing power and stuff like that, but it can go do tasks for you.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: So now is also an easier time to make tulpas.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm kind of time that in there.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: So so now you can make those, but what happens is tall.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: This is about power, actually.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're obsessed with something and you only uh you only take like you only think about these things in like your darkest corners of your mind, or but you're really obsessed, you could accidentally make a tulpa after an amount of time being obsessed, and then you could accidentally haunt someone without realizing it.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it can be dispelled, but you have to know you did it.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: Because they're a part of you, you just absorb them back into you.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: But you have to be, but like anything you do, why did you do it?
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: And are you ready to take it back?
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know, because you can split your like it's in psychology be like making a split in your personality.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: Only the split in your personality can actually function independently and go out and communicate because that's what they're for, they're for sending out and communicating.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: So, like if you were in a monastery up in the mountains in Tibet, you could send a Tolpa out to go communicate with someone in another area and speak on your behalf, provided that person can actually hear spirits, and you can use them like that, and then you reabsorb them because you don't want to let them running loose, because it's still not dictated by your conscious mind, it's your subconscious mind.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: So your subconscious personality is in the thing.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: So you may put on a good facade when you go out, but your tolpa may not be so nice or so kind, or so brave, or so well spoken.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: So as magic is easier to get into, tulpas can start happening.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: But that's those are rarer cases, but it seems like someone needed to know that.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I shared it.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think that's it's truly fascinating.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: And it just makes me think no matter what you're choosing to do, right?
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: The moral compass or consciousness needs to stay in balance.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, if you I immediately I think of the force, like the force has to be in balance, right?
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_02: That whatever you're doing there or what you choose, there are going to be repercussions for that.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_02: And you have to sort of presuppose what those might be before you're making any decision, which it's just part of our responsibility as spirits in a human form, right?
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just thinking, I'm thinking out loud with that one.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: Think of it like this.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: We'll break it right down to a mundane example.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: If you're in a very bad mood and you decide to go drinking, what kind of person are you gonna be when you drink?
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: Are you gonna be a happy person?
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: Are you gonna be an angry person?
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: You might actually be a happy person because maybe deep down inside you want to be happy and the alcohol lets you release that part of you.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: But odds are you're gonna be a very unpleasant person to be around if you start drinking angry.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: And it's the same thing, right?
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: Because you're you don't have your conscious inhibitions stopping you, so your tolpah will just act like you would be without you know all your issues to stop you or your fears and stuff.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: But right, a person who knows themselves, who is centered and balanced, the tolpah will do the task it needs to do, and that'll be the end of it.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas if you're unregulated or you you make a tolpah out of obsession, then well, that tulpa is going to represent your obsession because that's gonna be the driving force to its creation, so it's gonna be the driving imperative it has.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's uh the world's become an interesting place.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, these were always available, but it took a lot of time, and it took someone with a pretty decent mastery level to create a Tulpa in the first place, or it took someone with an incredible obsession to do it.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: But think about it, right?
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: We have more people, yeah, but we have more people with autism, and it's easier to focus on your obsessions when you're autistic.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_02: So that's not to throw autistic people under the bus just to Right, just to say that the there has been a shift in the way that our neuro the our neuro um systems work.
• 31:00
  unknown: Yeah.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: So and you have a reality that's more amenable to it now.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: You know like the on the right, the research on quantum research is that the mind is reality.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: Well use that metaphor.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's even more so now.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm actually kind of like so.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: We're like two weeks into everything being done, about a week and a half.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm actually kind of interested, interested that if anyone listening to this has any uh has kind of had this new awakening or this new understanding or seen anything really strange or the world feels different to them, you know.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, it'd say let me or Kelly know.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, definitely.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_02: I think especially if you're looking for some sort of some guidance or or support.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yes, you know, um, I think we're talking about like some just general shifts that are really palpable for all of us, you know, collectively.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um part of the you know, the dawning of the age of Aquarius, and if you're in the human world, right?
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: In a new yes, in a new yuga, basically a new age.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, same age as the old one, but now we're going back uphill.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: We're coming out of the valley we came into in the other yuga, and now we're coming back up.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same kind of yuga where things are still difficult and you know things are rough and everyone is out for themselves.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well, a lot of people are out for themselves.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's the dominant idea of the day, you know, when you lie like it's the truth and that kind of thing.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: We're still there, but we're coming out of it now.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: We're going, we've come down, and now we've switched to another yuga, which is the same classification of yuga, but now we're going upwards.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I love to hear that.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_02: I also wonder the power of information, the speed with which things are carried, the capability of technology today to alter and manufacture people speaking, their faces, you know, there's so much that can be contrived.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_02: And and so I find, you know, whereas I'm used to maybe like respond like, oh my god, this is horrible, this is awful, you know, have like a big reaction now.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, so what's the possibility that this is true?
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: And what's the possibility that this is not true or only partially true?
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, what's the possibility that my reaction to this is the exact reaction that's desired to move something?
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_02: I I think more like existential about what would have, you know, in the past, like you would have seen something on the news, that's fact.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_02: The news is bringing me fact.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_02: Now I'm like, I don't know.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_02: I can go on Chat GPT or other AI services and I can create things, you know.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm not one personally for creating or you know, misrepresenting someone.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's wrong, like pretending like creating a face on a face, like that is to me, that's wrong.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_02: That's that is going way outside the moral code of of how to act as a decent human being.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_02: But it's happening all the time.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_02: And so we can't always trust what we hear and what we see.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_02: So I feel like it's a time to really go deep inside in your heart, in your intuition, even in your thinking mind, like your rational mind, you know, not in like an over-analytical way, but to be like, does that resonate or not?
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_02: Does that feel true or not?
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: If I look around, is that is that fact?
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_02: Do I see evidence of that or do I not?
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and that's yes, that's the main reason why these things are happening right now.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: Because yes, we absolutely have the technology to make deep fakes, you know.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like I think before the last election, there was like a whole series of videos of like Biden and Donald Trump and even Obama at some point having conversations that they never had, and they were all deep fakes.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like right now, there's still some ways of telling them apart, but we're not far from people being able to make it so we can't tell them apart.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're not like, and if you're not looking for it to begin with, you don't know to look for the little cues.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, because people always ask me when I because I say, right, you're using the metaphor, so the spirit can show up, a spirit can show up as whatever they want.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: So people ask me, Well, how do you trust it?
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: I go, Well, I kind of learned to feel the flow of how energy flows from something.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: Usually when something's dishonest, you can feel little choppinesses and it kind of like feels like a dead end.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then it's like the flow has to be remanaged to make it seem like it's the truth.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like, so I kind of just feel it out, and it's like, well, that's a very messed up flow right there.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's not uh an honesty flow.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's a you're trying to control what's happening so I can see the effects through the flow of the energy going through you.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: So, and you start to recognize things for what they are by their energy rather than what you're sensing or what you're hearing.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're true to yourself, right, then at least you know what your values are and you know if someone's telling you something that doesn't match your values.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: So when you get that intuition of, oh wait, this doesn't seem right.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: Well, how would I look at that?
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: Because you know, because uh people try to convince you by coming up with not even necessarily lies, because the best lie is usually shrouded in the truth, right?
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: You just kind of spin the opinion of the truth or the outlook of the truth, is where you get your best lies because when you research into it, oh well, this is true.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: But you see, like, why is it like that?
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: A good example I saw was there was a pit picture of was it Prince William?
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: And he was it looked like he was giving someone the you know, flipping someone the bird.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_01: But when you see the picture from a different perspective, he had three fingers up because he was doing the okay sign.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: So, but from one angle it looked like he was flipping someone off.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: So it was like, see, if I just show you that part, I say, Oh, look, he's flipping someone off, but I don't let you see the rest of it.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: So this he did do that gesture, but from the angle you saw it on, it looked different, it looked like something else.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_01: So you can take the truth and just kind of reinterpret it.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: So that's what's that's really with all this coming out, and as much as magic is fun to do other things, it's to get to the truth of things because we are entering a world where illusions are very, very, very easy to come across.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: And people are so excited, people are so they so want something.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like even like here in Canada, right?
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: We just had an election, and I was listening to the speech of Mark Carney, who won, and the audience kind of made me feel uneasy.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: They were a little too excited, like it's okay, that's the guy you vote for, that's fine.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, but it's the there's idolatry in hero worship, you know, and you're taking away his humanity kind of, and you're expecting things.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: So is it that you're gonna let him get away with stuff if he decides to because you want a hero so bad or you want to believe in him so bad, you know?
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like so, there's there's a we're at a time where people are rife for illusions.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: So what I'm telling you right now is take your those things you know, the illusions that would appeal to you, and do something good with it.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: Empower yourself.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I I 100% agree.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_02: Empower yourself.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_02: I think that is such an important piece that if something doesn't give you sovereignty and you don't feel like you have your personal power, it's a it's a good sign that it's there's something wrong.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's a good time to question.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I'm feeling like somebody's taking my agency away.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: Why do I feel that way?
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_02: What is happening?
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I find I don't know if this is true for you too.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_02: Like I have to limit my social media time because there's so much spin.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_02: And even people that I like, I like their content.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_02: When I see a lot of this negative spin happening, I start to question like how much of this is really truly their message, which is hard, okay.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_02: And hard your podcasts are telling you, how do you know if this message is coming across like true and from that person?
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: No, you're absolutely right.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_01: Because even me, like uh, like I find myself politically homeless, right?
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: I vote for what I think is maybe the best candidate for the job.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: Because in here in Canada, right, we vote for a representative.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: So theoretically, that representative, who what party they belong to and who the leader of that party is supposed to not supposed to matter.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: But we very well know that a lot of people toe the line of the party they're in.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_01: So even though I would like to vote for that person, I have to keep in mind the party they're in, and I have to keep in mind who's the leader of that party.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: Even though I don't vote for the leader of the party, they just by default, by tradition, become the leader of the country.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I may like I may want someone who says they want to do certain things like clean up the environment, uh, you know, fix healthcare, whatever problems there might be, but then I know the party they belong to, well, they believe fixing healthcare is privatization, which I don't agree with, right?
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: Because privatization is you're trying to make a profit in medicine, you should never try to make a profit out of medicine, right?
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_01: Because you're not gonna give services to the hardest cases, and that's the ones who need you the most.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_01: But like that kind of thing, right?
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like and then so I had a point there somewhere.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: The thing is, people are looking so much for a solution that they're kind of starting to accept any story, and they're getting very divided over it.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like my thing, oh yeah, so I brought up the election because I had watched the debate, and one of the things I said was, you know what I wanted to see in this debate?
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to see all the leaders of the party say, you know what, vote for whoever you want, because right, because Trump had threatened to annex Canada a bunch of times.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: So say vote whoever you want because we're gonna work together.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, none of them did that.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, either the threat's not real, or you guys are looking to enrich yourselves at the expense of whatever happens.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: So you think if your country's sovereignty is at risk, you would band together.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I will tell you from this side of the US-Canada divide.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, all an issue.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_02: It is, there is so much divisiveness.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_02: And I too would love for everyone to sort of take that place of like I it doesn't matter to me who is in a position of power as long as I know the moral compass is there.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_02: Unfortunately, I'm not sure, regardless of who it is, the systems in place allow for the moral compass to be there.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: I I just wanted for the listeners to know it's the I didn't say that to push politics, but just to give you an idea of how serious not taking responsibility for your understanding of the world is yeah, it affects who runs your country, what laws are made, you know, what things can happen to you.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like I'm sure some like again, not to keep it political, but the people who got deported, who thought they were fine, and who voted, well, the person you voted for deported you.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: So you have to watch, right?
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: You have to be very clear on what your values are when you go do anything, especially nowadays.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: There's extra things at play.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I think that to me is huge.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't feel like my experience in life and whether it was the climate of the earth, not like the cultural influences and what things were like is the reason why it never hit me.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_02: But I feel that in the past couple years, being so grounded in my own values has become so important to me.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_02: And really taking stock of what's really important to me and being willing to lay down for those values.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_03: I mean that's the thing, right?
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_02: Be willing never have I felt that way before.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_02: Never have I been like, well, I am willing to stand out and be like, this is not okay.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's where we are.
• 45:54
  unknown: Yeah.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_01: We are at a time where people need to stand up and say, This is not okay.
• 45:58
  unknown: And then
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: Again, like I keep saying, it doesn't have to be you don't have to worry about it coming from a magical or spiritual place, that idea.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_01: Because you just have to look at the world.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: You can s listen if you listen to people speak or you listen to what you're told, even if people agree with you, like I had this conversation with a nephew of mine, and he was and I was listening to him, and I'm like, okay, hold on a second.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_01: You need to know this.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: Just because someone agrees with you doesn't mean they're right.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_01: And just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're wrong.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: So just because you know, so you have to watch who agrees with you, who doesn't agree with you, and why they agree and why they don't agree with you.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: And you have to look at why do you think that?
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: Because it all matters, like, because you have to look at what you've allowed yourself to uh what's that word, to accept, we'll say.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: So, or you know, I I kind of made a point on the podcast uh lately to it doesn't matter what your political affiliation is.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_01: On the podcast, you're welcome.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because what you believe philosophically in terms of your politics doesn't mean that that the party who claims to be aligned with it is aligned with that.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_01: So don't just blindly vote for the party that says they're aligned with you.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, not to be political, but to show the consequences of not taking responsibility for your decisions and your understanding of the world because very real consequences.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think the responsibility and accountability to yourself, I think is so important now.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, just if your goal is to raise the collective consciousness, which is many of us, and like you said, we all have different jobs.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_02: You have your calling, I have mine.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um don't always know who who is sending the instructions or what the expectation is, but you know when you're in alignment with it, and you know when it feels like the right thing to do.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_02: But that I feel like also requires us to put ourselves in the state that can receive what feels like alignment, right?
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, that's the key, right?
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_01: The more you align with yourself, the more you actually know what a properly aligned flow of energy feels like through a person.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_01: So when you see this misinformation or disinformation or not, you'll sense the flow of it.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like you'll go, this is not right.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_01: This is something that's being redirected at every corner or every turn because it wants to go one way, but people are trying to push it another.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's basically how lies feel like, at least to me, anyways.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_01: When I'm actually putting effort into understanding, it's like, oh no, that hurts.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_01: That hurts to even listen to you right now because the flow seems so banged up that whatever you're saying is not true.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_01: You're trying to control something.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, and so the more you're aligned with yourself, the more you know what a natural flow feels like.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's literally your key to understanding the truth between the between truths and lies.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_01: First recognize your own truth.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I love that.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_02: And I also think it's a good time to realize empowerment is realizing how much power that exists within you, and that no matter what's happening, nobody has power over you.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_02: You don't have power over other people.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_02: You can grab for power, you can have power grab towards you, but it's still there, it's yours.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's really that's important too to to recognize that you could there's always something you can do.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_02: There's always a change, a way of being, you know, something you can do to change your situation.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_02: And when you hit that point that you feel like there's nothing else I can do, there's gotta be a ray of light, something that sparks you into I'm gonna figure this out, you know.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's the thing, right?
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um interestingly, if you will.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: The idea of what a hero is, I've kind of gave it a lot of thought for a long, long time.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_01: And one of the things that comes down to it is that you just keep trying until you can't do it anymore.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_01: We all have our limits, and we all have to be ready to hit our limits, you know, and the consequences of that.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_01: If it's something you but knowing that that is the case, align really align yourself with things that you really believe in so that you're actually willing to do that and you're willing to accept the consequences of it.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, don't start a soup kitchen if that's not your thing, right?
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: Don't go fight in a guerrilla war to free a country if that's not your thing.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: Let someone who's actually is their thing do that.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: If yours is to go and speak publicly or run for office, do that.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_01: If yours is to start a local charity, do that.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_01: If yours is to run a choir for little children, do that.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's that's what's important.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's align with what you're good at, align with who you are.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's how you'll make the changes and you'll have the passion for it, and you'll be able to actually fight when even there's consequences.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, all we all have hills we're willing to die on.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: So you might as well climb that hill.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, or die on another hill that you don't like.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_01: Because sometimes that happens.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you've got no choice.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_02: Free will.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_02: Free will.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_02: I love that so much.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, you have free will, but don't necessarily have free action.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_02: You're you're not wrong.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of it, I'm just processing through all of this because I think it's such a a great conversation.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_02: I think a lot of people feel very powerless right now.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_02: And like the world is moving at a pace that they can't keep up with, they don't know what to do, they don't know what to turn to.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of false hope.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of distraction.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, distraction is huge right now.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_02: Just everywhere we turn, there are things that can stimulate our brains and take us away from what matters.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_02: So I think one thing that I recommend to people is to spend some time in stillness and quiet and breathe.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_02: Very simply, even meditate great if you can do that.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_02: But even just to sit in stillness and breathe and get used to the sound of your own internal landscape.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, because when we hear so much from the outside, it shapes who we are.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_02: But returning to that quietness, stillness, breathing, listening to our internal landscape really does ground us in our human experience and our human form and helps us be more connected with our higher self.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have any daily practices that you would recommend to people ways to approach being in their best physical, mental, spiritual space?
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_01: So, what I what I recommend, so as someone who teaches people how to eat, one of the things I strive to not have happen to my clients is to not be traumatized by learning to make better food choices.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_01: If you absolutely are so dead set on eating a cookie, eat the cookie because I don't want you traumatized by not choosing the cookie.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_01: So what I'm trying to say with that is do what feels good to you, but not in a uh in a just cheap dopamine hit, but literally makes you feel good.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like if you like to take pictures, take pictures.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_01: If you like to read books, read books.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_01: If you like to make paper paper airplanes, make a paper airplane.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_01: Do that for a certain amount a little bit each day, or at least try to do it several times a week.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's where you're gonna get grounded, that's where you're going to know where your happiness comes from and where that uh that inspiration is gonna come from.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I recommend.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't have to be sitting down because for me, like I teach also moving meditation, so you can move and hit because it's the repetition that lets you get into that zone.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're someone who likes to drive a car and get into that zone, if you're someone who likes to run and get in that zone, do all those things.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_01: But that thing that really taps into your creativity and that really brings that inspiration forward that you really feel good about, do that.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_01: Doesn't doesn't matter what it is, doesn't have to be anything I prescribe to you.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_01: Do whatever you'd like, you know, do whatever that gives you that feeling.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I love that.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_02: And I think earlier you were saying to give yourself permission to play.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_02: So I think it's giving yourself permission to engage in the things that bring you joy without having it have to mean anything.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, it doesn't have to mean anything.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_01: Odds are it will mean something because there's always something going on in the back of your mind that your brain is trying to figure out.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_01: So odds are your play will be an example of that, but you don't have to do it with the intention of solving something, you can just let things go freely and do it.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_01: I think currently I sing, but uh to do that, so there you go.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't sing very well, but uh I try.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's not about that.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's not about that.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's the resonance that happens, and I never realized that too.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_02: That um probably part of the reason that the singing felt so good is because of the vibration that happens in in your um throat chakra, and that is kind of like that frequency of attuning you.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, if you want to be seen, your third eye chakra, your ajna, it's the only name I remember.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_01: If you want to be heard, your throat chakra, and if you want to be felt, you can't sit on camera, but your heart chakra.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's the three chakras I tell people.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_01: I say you want to be seen your third eye, you want to be heard your voice, you want to be felt your heart.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_01: So when you speak through your heart, you'll be felt.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_01: When you speak through your voice, you'll be heard.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_01: When you speak through your eyes, your third eye, you'll be seen.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_02: Hmm, I love that.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's another simple thing for free.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_02: Uh yes, I mean the gems are just popping today for people.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's needed, and I don't want to be in the way, I don't want to let my uh uh uh inability to teach everyone to get in the way of people learning something.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_01: So if I can throw some stuff out for free that you can do for yourself, give her.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_01: Because some people that's all they're gonna need.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_01: So there's no point in them coming and taking classes with me, or you know, when they can just get those little nudges and go.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_01: Because I mean I did.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, well, I had a trickster teacher and I had other spirits come in and teach me.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_01: Still happening.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_01: I've got a whole new set right now.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, if we got a second, I'll tell you an interesting little story.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_01: So, right now I have a wolf, an eagle, a sand dragon for some reason.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not aware of those being indigenous to North America, that concept, but and then I had a grandfather wolf.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_01: Now, the grandfather wolf, I think, has not showed up as a wolf in a long time because when I first saw it, you know when you watch a horror movie, you know, especially with good special effects, and you can't really see the creature because it's kind of always change changing.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_01: Well, when I first saw it, it was like, okay, how do I be a wolf again?
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like trying to be a wolf, and I'm like, okay, this is creepy, and then it settled down on the wolf again.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm like, you haven't showed up as a wolf in a long time, have you?
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_01: But it's something interesting to throw up because it's it's a whole world out there, even in the spiritual stuff, when you encounter spirits and stuff, it's just there's no hard set rule, which is why it's even that much more important to be grounded in yourself.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_01: So you give a groundedness to that communication.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I love that so much.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_02: And I love helping people find ways into spirituality, into just cultivating that relationship with themselves and building authenticity for themselves, whether it's you know, for messaging or just for feeling okay in their own body.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_02: So I love that we've pulled out some tools and some ways to access that, because I think sometimes it can feel too big and too inaccessible and just overwhelming.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I think there's no one who can't resonate with giving themselves permission to enjoy the cookie and not, you know, feel the guilt about eating the cookie over the carrots.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_02: I say have both.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_02: Why not?
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and it's not what you take out, it's what you put in.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_01: So it's more important to get the good stuff in.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_01: And instead of having you reject the whole thing because you can't have one cookie, listen, have the cookie if you have to.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_01: Know that it'll affect your results, but that's on you.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's your responsibility.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't want you traumatized by that because I want you to still like and accept the other stuff you're doing.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_02: So yes.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_02: Is there anything else that you feel you'd like to share to make this episode complete?
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_01: So you already know you have permission to play.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_01: You obviously have permission to be yourself, but I'm gonna give you one last thing to show you just how much power you have.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_01: It was an experiment done in India for educational purposes, and the person doing the experiment put a computer into a wall.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't have internet because it was a remote, well, not a remote, but a poor enough village.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_01: So they had CDs and everything was in English.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_01: The children figured out how to use the computer and taught other kids how to use it.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_01: And so they even learned English enough to actually use the software.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's with no interference from adults.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's just the kids amongst themselves being curious and playing with the computer.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_01: So I want you to know that even though I am offering services how to teach people, you literally have what's in you, your curiosity, your sense of desire to learn will carry you.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's how easy it is.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's so complicated that it's easy, or so easy that it's complicated.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_01: But the thing is, you can do it.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_01: So that's what I want to leave people with.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's well within your power.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_01: You have the power, it's yours, it's always been yours, and now there's even things there to help you go to do it more to make it even easier for you.
• 1:01:07
  unknown: I love that.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I want to share.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I love that so much, and I completely agree.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_02: And it just makes me the last thought that I have on that.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I had uh April Porter on my podcast uh recently.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_02: She's a human design life coach, and in our conversation about reparenting your inner child within human design, um we talked about how children today are so much quicker, emotionally attuned, like they're designed, they they can take in all this information and assimilate it, use it, build it, like they're just kind of built for the way that the world and the environment is now.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_02: And so that story that you just shared about children, you know, being able to figure out how to use the computer, nobody had to intervene.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_02: I think it makes me think one, we have to give children more credit, and two, to let them have that experience of figuring it out without us interfering so much.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_02: And we can apply that to the children in our own heads and experience, and also other human beings who were at one time children.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_02: We don't have to interfere so much.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of times we can just let people figure it out and not feel like we have to cultivate or create so much for them, but just allow them to follow their curiosity.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, absolutely.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely it.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_02: Excellent.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_02: Well, this has been such a fantastic conversation.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_02: I look forward to checking in with you in a few months again to see where you are on your spiritual journey and what's happening in the world so that we can chat about it and give some more practical tools and tips to people who are listening.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_02: As always, I will have information in the show notes for you to connect with Daniel.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_02: If you're looking for more information, um, go back and listen again.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_02: If you've hit the end of this podcast and you were just driving in your car and listening to the conversation, listen again, grab a notebook, jot some of these things down, put them into practice.
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_02: We've made it about as simple as play, follow your joy, have sovereignty, you know, keep that moral compass in place and follow what lights you up.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_02: Kind of let that be the guide for you, what makes sense to you, what what you know resonates with you.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I think in in times where we can feel like so much is hopeless, there is so much hope.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_02: So much more than we can even imagine.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I hope that this conversation has helped you, listener.
• 1:04:09
  SPEAKER_02: If this conversation has been helpful for you, please share it with somebody else.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like the podcast, rate us, comment if you've got the time.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and we'll keep bringing you these amazing conversations.
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_02: And I thank you and I wish you all well.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_02: We'll see you next time.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_02: Bye for now.
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_03: See you.
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_03: Bye.