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What Are They Teaching Our Kids? · Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families

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  Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to the Happy Families podcast, Real Parenty Solutions.
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  Speaker 1: Every single day. Normally on a Friday, Kylie and I
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  Speaker 1: sit down and we haven't I'll do better tomorrow chat
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  Speaker 1: where we reflect on the week that was and highlight
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  Speaker 1: what's worked and what hasn't. But today's something different. The
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  Speaker 1: reason being well twofold number one. I've been away in
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  Speaker 1: Melbourne and Adelaide doing talks all over the country trying
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  Speaker 1: to help families to be happier. But secondly, last week,
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  Speaker 1: when I was listening to a podcast, all right, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to confess, I was listening to Carl Stephanovick's podcast.
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  Speaker 1: He had a conversation with a guy called Ed Shuler,
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  Speaker 1: and it was about the content that our kids are
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  Speaker 1: receiving in sex education classes in public and private schools
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  Speaker 1: in most states and territories, in primary school and high school.
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  Speaker 1: And it left me flawed, quite honestly left me. I
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  Speaker 1: just thought, I've got to do a podcast about this.
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  Speaker 1: I need to let everyone know, because I know that
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  Speaker 1: not everybody listens to Carl. It's leading me sometimes, but
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  Speaker 1: this one grabbed me, and I'm really glad I did so. Today.
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  Speaker 1: The conversation is pretty simple. What are our kids hearing?
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  Speaker 1: Why are they hearing it? Where has this come up?
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  Speaker 1: We need to talk about it. That's next. Stay with
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  Speaker 1: us on the Happy Families podcast. Gooday, Welcome to Happy
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  Speaker 1: Families Podcast, Real Parenting Solutions every single day. Edward Shaw
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  Speaker 1: is the Secretary of the Teachers Professional Association of Queensland
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  Speaker 1: and the National Secretary of its parent body, the tp
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  Speaker 1: double A. It's part of the Red Union Group, which
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  Speaker 1: office teaches an alternative to the traditional union movement and
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  Speaker 1: it's also non labor aligned, which I think is useful.
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  Speaker 1: It's nice to know that there are some unions that
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  Speaker 1: are supporting teachers that aren't saying that you also have
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  Speaker 1: to have a particular political persuasion. Ed has also become
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  Speaker 1: one of the most outspoken voice is nationally on curriculum content,
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  Speaker 1: on school choice and what he sees as the sexualization
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  Speaker 1: of children in education. And Ed joins me right now.
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  Speaker 1: Ed walked me through exactly what was taught to which
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  Speaker 1: year levels, Like what have you actually seen the materials themselves,
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  Speaker 1: reports from teachers from parents, Where did all this come from?
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  Speaker 2: Thanks having me on justin really appreciate it and love
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  Speaker 2: the work that you do. Wanted to. I guess start
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  Speaker 2: off more broadly with I've come across, over my time
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  Speaker 2: in this role, a number of these sort of incidents,
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  Speaker 2: and I've thought each time, oh, this is sort of
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  Speaker 2: a one off, Oh this is sort of an isolated thing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh it's a bit of a faux path from a
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  Speaker 2: particular school engaging this sort of speaker. And I guess
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  Speaker 2: what we've uncovered in the past week or two is that, no,
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  Speaker 2: this is a systematic issue. Is that there is a
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  Speaker 2: broad scale third party organization under the federal bunner of
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  Speaker 2: the SRHA, Sexual and Reproductive Health Australia, and they've got
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  Speaker 2: their services available to every single state school, every single
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  Speaker 2: private school in the country, and they are the leading
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  Speaker 2: provider of sexual education in our schooling system. And the
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  Speaker 2: interesting point is, and I won't labor it too much
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  Speaker 2: because I want to stay focused on how this is
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  Speaker 2: impacting kids, but this group started off as essentially and
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  Speaker 2: it's still the planned parent go to Australia so very much.
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  Speaker 2: They offer abortion services, they offer transgender surgery services as well,
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  Speaker 2: so that's their modus operando, if that makes sense. They've
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  Speaker 2: come into the sexual education space and they are the
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  Speaker 2: leading provider by Far and Away.
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  Speaker 1: Before you go on with anything else, I just want
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  Speaker 1: to highlight if you're a parent listening to this particular
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  Speaker 1: episode of the podcast with your children, the content that
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  Speaker 1: we're about to discuss is probably for mature audiences. As
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  Speaker 1: a parent, you can make up your own mind, but
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  Speaker 1: I certainly wouldn't be letting my kids listen to it
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  Speaker 1: if they're under at least the age of twelve, probably fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: So with that caveat, I'll give you a chance to
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  Speaker 1: press pause or find another podcast, or I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: find a song to listen to. Let's talk specifically about
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  Speaker 1: where the content was this othered and what it was
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  Speaker 1: and when I heard you talking to Carl. If I'm
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  Speaker 1: perfectly honest, I don't think that you were clear enough
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  Speaker 1: about the seriousness of the content. Now that we've given
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  Speaker 1: the content warning as I'm comfortable it is to talk
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  Speaker 1: about it, and I'm certainly not trying to be alarmist here.
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  Speaker 1: What I usually find is it's too easy to gloss
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  Speaker 1: over this. Can you please be really clear about what
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  Speaker 1: the content was, who was reporting it, just whatever you
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  Speaker 1: can tell about that part of the story.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, certainly so, I mean it goes without knowing.
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  Speaker 1: Now that you know, you've got to give a content
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  Speaker 1: warning for audio listeners shouldn't be in our schools.
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  Speaker 2: But this particular case was from the Queensland branch, so
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  Speaker 2: it's called True Education. This is the Queensland branch of
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  Speaker 2: the sh and they were basically providing material which you
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  Speaker 2: could argue is pornographic to primary school students, all girls
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  Speaker 2: school on the Gold Coast, very private. You know, you're
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  Speaker 2: paying tens of thousands intuition every year. You'd be wanting,
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  Speaker 2: you know, education for the Charlotte School at Christian School
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  Speaker 2: as well, so you'd be wanting particular values instilled. But
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  Speaker 2: what was given to these children by True Education was
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  Speaker 2: very graphic details around masturbation, around wet dreams, around sexual consent.
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  Speaker 2: And this is all for young girls. And this information
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  Speaker 2: was provided in visual form. It wasn't a conversation, a
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  Speaker 2: one to one conversation. And the most important part is
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  Speaker 2: the parents don't know necessarily what is going on because
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  Speaker 2: when parents sign consent forms about sexual education to the school,
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  Speaker 2: automatically in their head is what they experienced when they
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  Speaker 2: were in school in sex ed which might have been
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  Speaker 2: about say sex, you know, using a condom, or more innocently,
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  Speaker 2: just what happens to your body during puberty. This is
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  Speaker 2: not what's happening anymore. This is not what is happening
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  Speaker 2: in our school. So that is more graphic stuff that's
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  Speaker 2: happening in the primary school system, but in secondary it's
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  Speaker 2: even worse. It's even worse. And I pulled up a
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  Speaker 2: graphic on the Carl Stephanovic Show, and I'll try to
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  Speaker 2: describe it as best as I can now, but it's
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  Speaker 2: based all of these different I guess, debocherous sexual positions,
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  Speaker 2: you know, describing threesomes and the use of strap on dialdos,
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  Speaker 2: all of this sort of stuff, and all of it
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  Speaker 2: in graphic form. Are two page spread showing young children
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  Speaker 2: all of these different pornographic material, and it's very confronting.
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  Speaker 2: And the caption on that page was your imagination is
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  Speaker 2: the limit. I mean, this is this is what we're
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  Speaker 2: teaching children about using their imagination. It's just it's a
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  Speaker 2: horrific state that we're in. And I've got to stress
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  Speaker 2: as well, it's not a one off. This is an
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  Speaker 2: organization which is one state body out of a federal coalition,
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  Speaker 2: and I think we'll be able to touch on this
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  Speaker 2: more so. But this stuff is government funded. So while
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  Speaker 2: these are non government organizations, they're external parties, they are
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  Speaker 2: overwhelmingly government funded. In the last five years alone, have
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  Speaker 2: received over two hundred and thirty million dollars. That's almost
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  Speaker 2: that's a quarter of a billion dollars last five years too,
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  Speaker 2: largely their sexual education program, and then again the ancillary
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  Speaker 2: services of abortion and transgender surgery.
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  Speaker 1: And it sounds like we're in the wrong business. We
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  Speaker 1: could make a lot more money doing other things. When
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  Speaker 1: you held up the images on the YouTube of the podcast,
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  Speaker 1: so I was listening to it an audio, I actually
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  Speaker 1: went to the YouTube to see if I wondered if
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  Speaker 1: there was a bit of bluster here. If I'm perfectly honest,
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  Speaker 1: I was skeptical when you held up the images. I
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  Speaker 1: don't even have words for how astonished I was. The
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  Speaker 1: content is probably reasonably useful and reasonably accurate for the
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  Speaker 1: right person at the right time, for the right reasons.
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  Speaker 1: If my children were being exposed to this, I would
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  Speaker 1: be incensed. This is just to me, it's not acceptable
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  Speaker 1: content at all. Still, man, the other side, for me,
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  Speaker 1: why would a school or a provider of this content
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  Speaker 1: say that this is age appropriate it and evidence based?
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  Speaker 1: How and why would they or could they?
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  Speaker 2: I think what they would say is that society's sexual
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  Speaker 2: proclaimities these days is very different to what it was
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  Speaker 2: twenty years go, very different to sixty years ago. So
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  Speaker 2: we've got to show all of the most partner my
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  Speaker 2: language fed up that there is out there to these
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  Speaker 2: children so they can know how to do that ft up.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's a very bad way of going
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  Speaker 2: about it. I think they wouldn't categorize in those terms,
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  Speaker 2: but it's essentially there are these practices now which are
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  Speaker 2: very popular, and we need to make sure that kids
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  Speaker 2: know how to do them safely. I just want to
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  Speaker 2: pick up as well. Graphics were one part, but the
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  Speaker 2: actual content in the wording is another. And there are
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  Speaker 2: so many countless documents. Again, this is one of the
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  Speaker 2: state bodies, and this is just one of the documents,
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  Speaker 2: and it's talking about ethical pornography, and it's encouraging children
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  Speaker 2: to perhaps buy pornography online using money instead of watching
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  Speaker 2: normal pornography or whatever because it might be you know,
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  Speaker 2: the actors are better treated or something like this. But
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  Speaker 2: it's talking about ethical pornography and how pornography is part
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  Speaker 2: of anyone's healthy sexual life, and it's like, why are
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  Speaker 2: we telling this to eleven in year twelve kids and
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  Speaker 2: then the other stuff to primary school kids. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's really it's just perverse, and you've got to ask,
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  Speaker 2: who are these people behind this doing such a thing
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  Speaker 2: to children.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of those challenges as well, where if
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  Speaker 1: we look at the stats around pornography years I've just
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  Speaker 1: been through this as I've written my book about Boys,
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  Speaker 1: we know that about thirty four percent of fifteen to
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  Speaker 1: twenty nine year old males consuming explicit content pornography online
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  Speaker 1: on a daily basis, and a further fifty three percent
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  Speaker 1: on a weekly basis, which means we've got about eighty
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  Speaker 1: seven percent of fifteen to twenty nine year old males
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  Speaker 1: consuming it regularly. I would imagine that part of that
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  Speaker 1: stillmin argument would be where they're already seeing it, so
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  Speaker 1: we're just trying to put some safeguards around it. I
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  Speaker 1: still don't think that we should be encouraging it. To me,
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  Speaker 1: that's really concerning ED after break, I want to ask
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  Speaker 1: you some questions around how parents can find solutions here
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  Speaker 1: where parents areware, what can parents do about it? All
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  Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. So we'll continue this conversation in
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  Speaker 1: just a Sex. Stay with us. We're back as the
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  Speaker 1: Happy Family's podcast ed Shula talking about the explicit content
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  Speaker 1: that our children around the country are being exposed to
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  Speaker 1: in primary school, high school, especially their later high school years.
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  Speaker 1: That would concern I think most parents who want to
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  Speaker 1: help their children to be safe in their understanding of
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  Speaker 1: what's going on with intimacy and sexuality. Hey, Ed, you've
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  Speaker 1: mentioned this in brief already, but I want to go
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  Speaker 1: a little deeper on this. You've mentioned that a lot
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  Speaker 1: of parents aren't aware of what's going on. To what
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  Speaker 1: degree are parents told about this? How much comparents opt out?
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  Speaker 1: And maybe a deeper question again your chief objection is
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  Speaker 1: it to the content itself or is it to the
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  Speaker 1: lack of transparency around it.
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  Speaker 2: It's the content itself. The lack of transparency is why
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  Speaker 2: it's been able to pervade this so long. But overwhelmingly
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  Speaker 2: we're not going to inquivocate on this. What is being
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  Speaker 2: shown is some of the most deboucherous stuff. It's not
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  Speaker 2: good for society, it's not good for children to see,
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  Speaker 2: and it's certainly not okay for children to be shown
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  Speaker 2: this content by third party organizations under the auspice of
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  Speaker 2: sex ed really to no knowledge of the parents because
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  Speaker 2: they're signing these waivers. Like I said, they still got
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  Speaker 2: to sign them, but they're signing them not seeing the
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  Speaker 2: content itself. My task to every single parent out there
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  Speaker 2: is they bang on the door of the principal's office
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  Speaker 2: before you sign any forms. Make sure you see exactly
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  Speaker 2: what organization is engaged, and if it's one of these organizations,
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  Speaker 2: you want to be seeing the content before it's given
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  Speaker 2: to your kid. Again, you are not safe from this.
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  Speaker 2: Your children are not safe from this in a private school.
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  Speaker 2: This is rife in the public system, yes, But the
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  Speaker 2: examples that I gave on the Carl Stefanovic podcast, but
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  Speaker 2: also a number of others. These are well off Anglican
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  Speaker 2: schools in Victoria, they're Christian schools in Queensland, they're just
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  Speaker 2: independent schools in wa. This is happening everywhere. So you've
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  Speaker 2: got to be active as a parent. You cannot be passive.
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  Speaker 2: You cannot say, ah, well they can take care of that.
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  Speaker 2: It's an uncomfortable conversation. I know that this is the
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  Speaker 2: sort of advice that you you would give justin is
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  Speaker 2: to have some of those uncomfortable conversations with your children.
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  Speaker 2: It must be had because they have the conversations being
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  Speaker 2: had in the completely wrong way and they're being introduced
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  Speaker 2: some horrible stuff at a young age. And again, just
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  Speaker 2: to pick up on what you said before the break
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  Speaker 2: talking about how well the kids are seeing this, you
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  Speaker 2: know there's eighty seven percent of young men fifteen to
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  Speaker 2: twenty nine that are consuming pornography at least weekly. What
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  Speaker 2: stay are we in as a society where then our
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  Speaker 2: conviction is to say, oh, well, well, I guess we're
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  Speaker 2: just completely lost our way. We've all become perverted and
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  Speaker 2: this is bad for our mental health. But we better
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  Speaker 2: just make sure, you know, we entrenched that further. We've
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  Speaker 2: got to go back the other way completely and make
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  Speaker 2: sure it's very clear that this should be parent led
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  Speaker 2: education and parents know best. Parents will not be okay
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  Speaker 2: with this sort of stuff being thought to their children.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's the bottom line. Reversing the all
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  Speaker 2: of authority here from third party government funded organizations to
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  Speaker 2: parents again, that will be the key to doing this.
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  Speaker 2: So parents are going to make noise at your local school,
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  Speaker 2: but please know as well that your principal's hands are
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  Speaker 2: tied a lot of the time, particularly in the state system,
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  Speaker 2: but you can certainly do part in talking to the
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  Speaker 2: principle and making sure that your child is at least
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  Speaker 2: not participating in those classes.
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  Speaker 1: Ed, I want to come back to parent involvement again shortly.
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  Speaker 1: I think the outline that fairly clearly, but I just
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  Speaker 1: want to really get into that for one final question.
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  Speaker 1: But before we get there, there will be some people
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  Speaker 1: who will listening to this podcast. They'll go and look
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  Speaker 1: up ed Shure, they'll have a look at the organization
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  Speaker 1: that you represent. Your association has a clear position on
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  Speaker 1: these cultural issues. How would you respond? And I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: that I'll get email us about this, So let me
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  Speaker 1: ask you the question straight up. How would you respond
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  Speaker 1: to people who would say that this is a political campaign,
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  Speaker 1: this is about conservative activism rather than child protection concerns.
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  Speaker 1: People will say, well, and should know about wet dreams.
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  Speaker 1: Children probably should know about how our bodies work. And
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  Speaker 1: we certainly know that there's good evidence that teaching children
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  Speaker 1: about protective body safety is in their interests. Consent education
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  Speaker 1: has strong empirical evidence behind it.
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  Speaker 2: I would say, go look at the content that I'm
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  Speaker 2: referring to and come back to me if you think
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  Speaker 2: that that's acceptable. I don't know. When you around my
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  Speaker 2: children and to pick them up on one thing. These
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  Speaker 2: are my strong views. Our teachers are not necessarily aligned
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  Speaker 2: with any political party. Our organization is not aligned with
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  Speaker 2: any political party. But overwhelmingly, we're shedding a light on
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  Speaker 2: something that is certainly struck a nerve with parents across
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  Speaker 2: the country. It has with so many of our members
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  Speaker 2: as well, And we're taking a clear stance on this
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  Speaker 2: because it requires some moral clarity because at the moment,
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  Speaker 2: you haven't got any mainstream news reporting on this. You
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  Speaker 2: haven't got any government ministers and ps talking about this.
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  Speaker 2: So someone's going to have to do it. And if
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  Speaker 2: we're going to get accused of being political in some
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  Speaker 2: way protecting children, then I guess bringing on who cares?
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  Speaker 2: Who cares? This is the stuff that's being shown to children.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it feels like it's been swept under the rug.
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  Speaker 1: I don't really have a strong political orientation ed, but
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  Speaker 1: when I discovered what was going on here, I just
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  Speaker 1: felt like we needed to talk about to make sure
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  Speaker 1: that parents knew. So you've highlighted that parents need to
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  Speaker 1: be engaged and talking with their principal and their school
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  Speaker 1: about this. I guess the last thing that I want
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  Speaker 1: to know is how do you do that effectively? If
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  Speaker 1: there's a parent who's worried listening right now and they
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  Speaker 1: want to engage with the school, how do they do
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  Speaker 1: it in such a way that they don't go to
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  Speaker 1: war with the principle over this, especially since you said
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  Speaker 1: many school leaders hands are tied on this, so creating
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  Speaker 1: a war over this is not necessarily going to be
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  Speaker 1: helpful for families or for schools.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to speak to the principle very politely, very inquisitively,
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  Speaker 2: because the principle in many cases won't necessarily be across
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  Speaker 2: the content that's being taught that they'll be across. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: we've engaged this organization, they've been doing this for a while.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, the principle is not going through all the
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  Speaker 2: content as well. So don't go into them necessarily, you know,
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  Speaker 2: chastising them, but go in demanding answers and get them
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  Speaker 2: to find those answers if they don't have them. The
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  Speaker 2: second prong is going to your state based education ministry
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  Speaker 2: and saying, hey, are you okay with this sort of
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  Speaker 2: stuff being taught in schools. And I know a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the funding comes from state health departments rather than
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  Speaker 2: the education, but it's input into schools. But the education
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  Speaker 2: the education minister has a lot of say in this matter,
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  Speaker 2: and at the moment they're completely silent. I dare say,
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  Speaker 2: they don't even know the extent of it. So we're
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  Speaker 2: really starting a ground zero here. It's the start of
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  Speaker 2: a bigger exposure of what's happening in the education system
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  Speaker 2: across the board. So parents, you know, have patients with
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  Speaker 2: your principal in the first instance, Yes, demand the answers
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  Speaker 2: they If they come back and say, yeah, that's what
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  Speaker 2: we're teaching and we stand by it, well, then start
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  Speaker 2: making a bit more noise. But go to the principal
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  Speaker 2: at first, I dare say, he or she'll want to
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  Speaker 2: work with you in sorting this out. So to the
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  Speaker 2: education minister, send through your emails center and copies of them,
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  Speaker 2: MA that your kid is being provided. Make sure, first
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  Speaker 2: and foremost, make sure that your child, if they're being
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  Speaker 2: given material for sex ed, make sure they're bringing it
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  Speaker 2: back home so you know at least what they're being taught.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like that's parenting one oh one over to
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  Speaker 2: you on that, Justin, but definitely have to be across
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  Speaker 2: what is being taught to your children. So look, it's
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  Speaker 2: early days. I'm not going to profess to have all
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  Speaker 2: the answers right now. At the very least. What we're
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  Speaker 2: trying to get here is exposure of the issue. So
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  Speaker 2: please just make sure that your child, your individual child,
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  Speaker 2: is not being impacted by this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, not our normal Friday content, but a really important conversation.
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  Speaker 1: It ties in with the respect for relationships content that's
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  Speaker 1: being taught in Victoria and state schools, with gender ideology
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  Speaker 1: being taught from the earliest years, and I think that
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  Speaker 1: it's one of those things where parents, I know, we've
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  Speaker 1: got so much to worry about, but just one more
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  Speaker 1: thing to add to the list, and a pretty important
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  Speaker 1: one of that. Ed Shula, Secretary of the Teacher's Professional
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  Speaker 1: Association of Queensland and the National Secretary of its parent body,
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  Speaker 1: the TPAA, really appreciate your time for such an important conversation.
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  Speaker 2: No, thank you, Justin.
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