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How CBD Works in Dogs (and Why it’s Changing Vet Care) with Emma Delaney from Kindred CBD · The Natural Dog Mum

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  Hey dog mums and dog dags, welcome back to another episode
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  of The Natural Dog Mum. Today we're having a chat with
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  the lovely Emma. She's from a company called
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  Kindred CBD. We're going to be doing a little
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  bit of a deep dive into, well, obviously CBD helping some of
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  the basics, what it is, how it works in the body, what it can
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  be used for. There is a lot of talk online
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  and in the media about CBD for humans as well as animals.
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  I'm sure you've seen and heard it many times, but we thought it
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  would be helpful to give you a little bit more information
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  about how it may help your pet with any number of conditions
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  and how you can go about safely sourcing it in Australia.
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  Because there are rules and regs, as some of you may or may
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  not know. So we're going to be talking
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  about that as well as some of the other natural goodies that
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  Kindred has available for doggies and cats.
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  So stick around. Hey, thanks for coming on.
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  It's so nice to finally meet you.
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  Hi Sarah, thanks so much for having me today.
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  Absolutely. Very, very excited to get into
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  this topic. As as I mentioned, I mean,
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  there's information everywhere. A lot of people talk about it,
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  but I'm sure there are lots and lots of pet parents out there
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  who might be familiar with the time and maybe have a basic
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  understanding but don't quite understand how it works, why
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  it's so beneficial. I mean, most people know that
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  it's good for things like managing pain and those sorts of
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  things, but it can be really, really useful tool in all manner
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  of health conditions, anxiety as well.
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  Yeah, for sure. So it it helps bring the body
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  back to homeostasis or back into a balanced state.
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  And it works on the endocannabinoid system, which is
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  a system found in all mammals and there's receptors all
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  throughout the body. So it has so many different
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  effects, but especially on the nervous system and the immune
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  system as it's found in a lot of those cells.
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  But it works for pain and it works blur for inflammation.
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  So in conditions like arthritis, but also in inflammatory skin
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  conditions, it helps with seizures.
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  In cases of epilepsy also, it works as an anti anxiety and
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  yeah, just for a whole array of different health conditions.
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  Oh, it's. It's absolutely amazing stuff.
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  Now, Kindred is a relatively new brand in Australia, though I
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  understand that you've actually been supplying CBD for a little
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  bit longer than perhaps you've had the supplements in the other
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  products. Is that right?
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  Yeah, that's right. So we launched in March of this
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  year and have been supplying the CBD since earlier at the end.
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  And then we've launched the supplements just last month and
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  then the dog treats in about July and the cat treats are
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  coming this week. So it's, it's been staggered.
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  But yeah, we're we're new to the Australian market.
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  You've had a very busy year. That is a lot.
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  All systems go. Absolutely.
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  So had. How did you come come to be a
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  part of the Kindred team? Yeah.
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  So I started about a year ago, though our parent company is
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  Medi Growth, which is a human medicinal cannabis company.
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  And I was working in the veterinary cannabis space with
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  about a year and a half at that stage.
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  And then Medi Growth decided to set up the veterinary division
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  and I had this really clear vision of what I wanted it to
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  look like, you know, you know, with the whole to be more than
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  veterinary cannabis, but a whole Wellness company.
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  So we also have the treats and the supplements And yeah, we we
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  saw the amazing power of CBD S effects in humans with Medi
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  growth and then just wanted to give that to to pets.
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  So then Kindred was born. Brilliant.
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  And you have a scientific background, don't you?
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  Yeah, so I'm a qualified pharmacist, so qualified in
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  Ireland, was working there for about 7 years in community
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  before moving here to Sydney, and then have been in the
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  veterinary cannabis space now about three years and actually
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  completed a veterinary cannabis guide certificate this year with
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  the global experts who are over in Colorado and Canada.
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  It's Doctor Cassara Andre. Yeah, she's amazing.
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  So yeah, I've been learning, Learning loads.
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  Yeah. Amazing.
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  So talk to us a little bit more. For the uninitiated, CBD in in
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  Australia is not something that you can just log on and purchase
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  from a website or buy over the counter.
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  It's prescription only, yes. Yes, exactly.
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  So the vets can prescribe it as an unlicensed schedule for
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  medication. So legally it has to be
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  prescribed by a vet and then we provide a pathway for vets to do
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  that. So we have a whole clinical
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  portal for vets with prescribing guidelines that's regularly
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  updated as more research comes out.
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  We have a whole research paper library there with over 100
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  papers on the use of medicinal cannabis in various species.
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  And we're going to have case studies and webinars and lots
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  more things to share with vets as as time moves on.
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  And then the vets can submit the prescriptions to us.
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  Our pharmacy then fulfils the scripts and then we get it sent
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  out to the pet parent. And then the pet parents can
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  submit inquiries to us through the website and then we'll get
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  in touch with their vet, invite them to register for the
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  clinical portal, what we call the Vet Hub.
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  And it's free of course, for the vets to register and to access
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  all that information. And we're all about just keeping
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  it simple for the vets and just making it as simple and
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  straightforward for them as. Possible.
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  That's amazing. So it's more than just being
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  able to access the CBD to help their patient.
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  It's it's a full educational system to teach more vets about
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  the benefits and how it works. The clinical studies, all of the
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  evidence is there, meaning that if a pet parent wants to look
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  into it as a potential treatment for their for their animal and
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  their vet is not familiar with CBD or isn't prescribing it,
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  rather than finding another vet, they can actually then refer
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  their vet to you to to receive that education and everything
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  they need to be able to prescribe.
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  Yeah, exactly, exactly. And if the the vet has any
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  questions, you know, I'm prescribing, I'm really happy to
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  help. So three years experience and at
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  this stage and I've seen all the changes and there's been so much
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  research that has even come out in the last three years.
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  So like I recognise it's hard to keep up to date, you know, if
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  you're a very busy vet. A lot of them are very time
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  poor. They've so much on their hands,
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  So what we do is just try to condense down all the research
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  that's out there and just give it to them in a way that's easy
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  for them, just to see the key points and to be able to
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  prescribe in a safe and effective way.
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  Amazing. Now some pet parents out there
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  may have noticed. I know that I have, and I'm not
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  going to name names, but there are some websites out and about
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  that do sell CBD products or what they claim to be CBD.
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  Whether it is or it isn't, it's a little bit hard to tell for
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  people who don't understand about how it works about the
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  importance of prescribing to, in fact get the right dosage for
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  your pet. Why is it important that Pete,
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  that people actually go through their vet and obtain it by
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  prescription rather than just purchasing online?
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  Yeah. So I guess those online
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  products, what we call the black market products, they haven't
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  undergone an inequality assurance testing.
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  So you don't actually know what you're getting.
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  So there could be say high amounts of THC, which which is
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  the part that can make you high. There could be lots of that and
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  there could be low amounts of CBD, which is the the one that's
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  mostly used for therapeutic effects.
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  And then also there can be like residual solvents, if solvents
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  were used in the extraction methods and they're they're
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  toxic to pets. There can even be pesticides and
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  other toxins that are found in the mixture.
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  So you don't really know what you're getting if you're just
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  buying it online. And there can be a lot of
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  misinformation and kind of false advertising around it.
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  And it does make it very difficult for pet owners to, to
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  determine, you know, is that a safe product?
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  Is it not? But the simple way to know is if
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  it's not being prescribed, then then it's not being quality
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  tested. So the safest way is to get
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  something through your vest, umm, that you can stand over and
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  you know, a pharmacist has prepared it so you know exactly
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  what's, what's going into it. You can see a certificate of
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  analysis, you can see the break down of the ingredients so you
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  know it's it's safe for your for your pet.
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  Absolutely. And from what I understand in
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  prescribing CBD for patients, it's a little different to your
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  standard prescription where you're just asking for a
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  particular drug or a particular compound in, in, in milligrammes
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  etcetera. There are there are different
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  strengths that you're actually making up specific to the
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  animals needs. Yes, yeah, exactly.
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  So it's, it's tailored to each pet.
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  So it's a compounded medication. And then the vet will determine
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  the best dose depending on their weight and the severity of the
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  condition and you know, other medications that they might be
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  on. There's lots of factors they'll
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  take into account. Normally they're started on a
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  low dose and then it's increased really slowly over time and that
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  will minimise any side effects. But it's generally really well
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  tolerated anyways. But it comes as an oil
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  formulation and then you'll usually give roundabouts a mil,
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  maybe a bit less, maybe a bit more, usually twice a day.
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  So it's mixed into their food, so it's quite easy to administer
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  and it even comes with different flavourings as well.
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  So for the fussy cats out there or whoever, we can put in a
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  chicken flavouring or a beef flavouring, Yeah, if it's
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  needed. Brilliant.
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  So do you have, do you have any case studies that that spring to
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  mind? I'm I'm interested to hear about
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  specific specific pet stories and what issues they were
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  dealing with and how the CBD was used as part of their their
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  treatment plan and and what the outcomes were.
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  Yeah, one that really sticks out was this old Labrador retriever.
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  His name is Murphy. He was about 12 years old at
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  that stage of his life where he was just really slowing down,
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  sleeping more than usual, not playful.
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  He had arthritis, was in a bit of pain, just that classic
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  geriatric older dog with, you know, a few things going on.
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  CBD was added into his treatment plan.
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  And after a few weeks, the girl who who has his pet owner, she
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  was saying when she came home from work, Murphy would go out
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  to meet her at the car and would jump up in the car and jump up
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  and was all excited to see her. Yeah.
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  And something that she just hadn't experienced for years and
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  something she thought she'd never see, you know, see him do
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  again. And it just brought her so much
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  joy. Yeah.
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  Yeah. It was really special.
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  So we've, and I've heard of a lot of those type of cases, umm,
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  whether it's, you know, they're in pain, umm, our, you know,
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  anxiety cases as well. And the CBD just brings back
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  kind of that sense of vitality and that like playfulness and
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  more interaction, which is really nice to see.
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  And like that obviously affects the pets and is, you know,
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  really improves their quality of life, but also really improves
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  the families, you know, quality of life with their pet as well,
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  which is amazing to see. Absolutely.
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  And I mean, in addition to that, unlike traditional Western
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  medications, you don't have the side effects.
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  You you're not putting additional pressure on the
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  kidneys and the liver to metabolise, you know, toxins in
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  the body. It's, you know, it's something
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  that's tolerated well tends to be pretty gentle on the tummy.
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  You're getting all of the benefits with without without
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  those awful side effects that we all.
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  Dreaded. Yeah.
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  So really well tolerated. The only thing that might be
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  seen, you know, is sometimes sleepiness at the higher doses,
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  but then that can be, you know, reduced back down.
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  Same if there's any GI issues that can be reduced back down,
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  the dose can be reduced back down, you know, as guided by the
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  vet. But in general really well
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  tolerated. It can be used in almost all
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  patients. So it's, it's broken down by the
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  liver. So if there is severe liver
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  disease, it wouldn't be used in that patient.
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  But if there's kidney issues, it's a really good option
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  because it doesn't affect the kidneys at all and can be used
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  with almost any medication, any like traditional pharmaceutical.
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  So really easy to add into traditional pharmaceutical
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  treatment plans. And I've actually seen a lot of
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  times that as the CBD dose is increased over time, the way it
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  normally increases, the pharmaceutical doses can often
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  be reduced, not in every case, but very often.
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  And then, you know, you're avoiding the side effects that
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  may come with the pharmaceuticals.
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  And then sometimes in some cases, the pharmaceuticals can
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  be discontinued and the PET might only need the CBD oil,
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  which is amazing. Absolutely, absolutely fantastic
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  stuff. Now tell us a little bit about
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  the other the other supplements that you have available.
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  Yeah, so we have are still in Calm which is our calming
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  supplement for dogs. So it has magnesium, chamomile
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  and L tryptophan and all the supplements can be used as meal
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  toppers. So they're like in powder form,
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  so it can easily be added to the food.
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  Then we have a joint support flex and move so that one has
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  MSM, glucosamine and green lipped muscle.
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  So really good for the pets joints.
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  That one's available for dogs. And then we have our ease and
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  flow, which is our digestion support available for both cats
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  and dogs with probiotics and prebiotics.
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  And then we also have a fish oil for both cats and for dogs, and
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  that also has added flaxseed oil.
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  So really good for their skin and their coat, really
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  nourishing. And hopefully we're more added
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  to the range then in time to come.
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  Yeah. But these are all designed by
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  vets as well in Australia and all Australian made, yeah.
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  Fantastic, and you've recently moved into treats as well.
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  Treats as well. So we have our dog treats live
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  already and and we have our cat treats coming next week.
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  So really exciting. They're all, yeah, super clean
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  single proteins that have been air dried.
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  So no filler, no preservatives, just really good eating, Yeah.
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  Amazing, that sounds fantastic. And it's a it's a really good
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  starting point as well. If someone has a younger dog or
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  perhaps if they're they're having issues, but maybe the
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  symptoms are a little bit more mild.
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  They don't necessarily need to jump straight to CBD.
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  They can start with these supplements for adding them to
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  their meals and you know, see how they go in.
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  And in many, in many cases, that may be all they need.
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  But if they need perhaps a little bit more support, then
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  you're able to look at the, the options with, with the CBD.
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  You. You really.
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  You've still covered the whole gamut, haven't you?
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  Yeah, that was the aim, yeah. And I guess prevention's better
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  than cures. So, you know, get the
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  supplements in before there's any big issues there.
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  And yeah, just really support the the cats and dogs in
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  whichever way you can. You know, like, sometimes the
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  the supplements are enough and, you know, good nutrition and
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  then sometimes the CBD oil is needed and with or without the
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  traditional pharmaceuticals. But your vet knows best.
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  So yeah. Just out of interest, what
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  motivated you to move from the human side of things to horny
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  pets? I've always loved animals.
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  And then the crossover between that and medicinal cannabis I
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  just found super interesting. And then once I learned and, you
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  know, delved into all the research and went down that
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  rabbit hole, I just found it so, so fascinating.
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  So yeah, I'm really passionate about it now.
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  And just seeing the effects and hearing the effects of pet
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  parents using it in their animals is amazing.
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  I have a few friends that use it in in their pets and just seeing
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  the results first hand is it's really incredible, yeah.
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  Excellent. So for all our pet parents out
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  there listening and watching, what jumps to mind when you
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  think about something that you wish more pet parents knew or
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  knew more about? CBD oil is available because
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  it's real unavailable in Australia.
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  Chat to your vet about it. Have the conversation if they,
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  if they aren't familiar with this, if they haven't prescribed
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  it before, it's not a problem. Just direct them to Kindreds.
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  There's heaps of free resources there for them in the vet hub
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  and we try to break it down and make it really simple and easy
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  for them to be able to prescribe it.
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  And if they've any questions along the way, I'm really happy
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  to help. But it could be.
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  Just it's another tool for for pet parents to have in their, in
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  their toolkit for their for their pets.
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  And it works in a multitude of ways on a multitude of
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  conditions. So just have that in the back of
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  your mind, yeah? Excellent.
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  So for anyone pet parent or wish alike, wanting to find out more
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  or to get in contact, how do they do that?
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  What's your? Website, Yeah.
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  So our website iskindredcbd.com dot AU so the PE, the pet
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  parents can send us through an inquiry, an inquiry form there.
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  We also have the journal which has articles on various health
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  conditions and how CBD can help them.
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  So for example, how CBD can help in the use of seizure
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  management, how it can be used in atopic dermatitis in dogs,
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  how it can be used in cancer cases, how it can be used in
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  osteoarthritis, how it can be helpful in palliative care.
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  So there's heaps of information there.
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  That's all science fact and the research papers are referenced,
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  but it's just there in a, in an easy to digest sort of a way.
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  So it's a good place for pet parents to start to learn about
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  CBD. And then for vets, we have the
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  vet hub so it's free for them to register and again, loads of
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  resources there for them to learn about CBD prescribing.
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  Excellent, very, very, very exciting stuff.
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  That's definitely, definitely something I'll be keeping in my
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  back pocket if if ever I I need it for one of my babies.
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  Kindredcbd.com dot AU if you need to find out more.
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  Thank you Sean Mark for coming on and and chatting with us.
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  Yeah, love to do a do it again in the new year when we're back
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  from break. Yeah, sounds awesome.
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  Thanks so much, Harry.