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Steve Price | 17 October · Steve Price

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Speaker 1: Live. This is Steve Price.
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Speaker 2: We're goome to Friday Night's on this seventeenth of October,
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Speaker 2: and just another chapter in the out of control crime epidemic,
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Speaker 2: and it is an epidemic making marvelous Melbourne, murderous Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: Full coverage coming up after that video of a stabbing
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Speaker 2: I showed you last night while filling in for Peter Kredlin,
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Speaker 2: Well that's.
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Speaker 1: Gone viral today.
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Speaker 2: On that Opposition police spokesman David Southwick will join me
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Speaker 2: in the studio with his advice to Premier Allen who
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Speaker 2: seems to hope that all this crime will simply magically disappear.
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Speaker 2: Plus regular Herald Sun cartoonist Mark Knight on how he
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Speaker 2: sees this crisis through his lens of cartooning. Also tonight,
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Speaker 2: huge reforms from the federal government coming on November one,
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Speaker 2: two weeks away tomorrow in the area of aged care,
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Speaker 2: especially the provision of in home care. But what does
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Speaker 2: it all mean? How much more will the care cost?
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Speaker 2: And what about waiting lists? What will happen to them?
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Speaker 2: All of us with elderly parents need the fine detail.
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Speaker 2: National Seniors Australia Chris Greiss will explain all that for
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Speaker 2: us Plus Friday regular adventurer and social commentator Adrian Hayes
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Speaker 2: out of the UK on Donald Trump's latest gamble, can
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Speaker 2: he get Russian leader Vdamir Putin to lay down his
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Speaker 2: weapons in Ukraine? First though, Crime out of control knife
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Speaker 2: and machete crime that has turned the streets of one
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Speaker 2: of Australia's largest capital cities, Melbourne, into a dangerous cesspit
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Speaker 2: of homeless people, drug effected, mentally disturbed loners, misfits and
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Speaker 2: outright criminals dealing drugs, fire bombing cigarette stores on the
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Speaker 2: orders of organized crime, and where it now seems you
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Speaker 2: are almost as likely to suffer a home invasion or
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Speaker 2: carjacking as you would in a dangerous third world city
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Speaker 2: anywhere in the world. It's actually hard for me, as
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Speaker 2: a Melbourne in to write those words. I've lived my
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Speaker 2: seventy odd years in three capitals, Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney.
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Speaker 2: I've covered crime as a newspaper reporter and radio presenter.
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Speaker 2: I've seen horrendous murders up close. I've reported from the
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Speaker 2: courts on high level drug dealers who have issued contracts
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Speaker 2: on people's lives to have the murdered. I've wanted the
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Speaker 2: streets of Redford and Sydney where it seemed you could
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Speaker 2: be ankle deep in used syringes. And I've watched heroin
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Speaker 2: addicts shoot up outside the dangerous Richmond injecting room, but
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Speaker 2: I have never until now felt unsafe in my own
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Speaker 2: hometown any of them. They say it takes one really
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Speaker 2: bad incident to tip people over the edge when it
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Speaker 2: comes to accepting a level of criminal activity. Melbourne has
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Speaker 2: one of those tipping point incidents, it seems just about
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Speaker 2: every other day now. If the alleged machete murders of
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Speaker 2: two children walking home from a basketball game in the
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Speaker 2: Western suburbs wasn't bad enough, or the vision of a
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Speaker 2: bloke dressed only in his underpants last week making a
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Speaker 2: citizens arrest after teenagers broke into his house, or the
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Speaker 2: bloody face of a bloak brandishing a fake pistol hijacking
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Speaker 2: cars in the middle of a suburban street this week,
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Speaker 2: then this latest tipping point might be the benchmark. Two
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Speaker 2: weeks ago, a thirty eight year old female sushi chef
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Speaker 2: One Lee, was on her way to work at seven
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Speaker 2: forty am after leaving her Little Burke Street apartment, and
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Speaker 2: a warning to our view was the vision of this
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Speaker 2: horrific incident that we are about to show is absolutely distressing.
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Speaker 2: As she walks along wearing a beanie to keep out
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Speaker 2: the early morning cold, a woman approaches from behind, taps
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Speaker 2: her on the shoulder, and then, with a knife in
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Speaker 2: her right hand, plunges the knife into Lee's chest, puncturing
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Speaker 2: her lung. The knife narrowly missed her heart. Otherwise we
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Speaker 2: could here be talking about a murder. The alleged attacker
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Speaker 2: was out on bail from an earlier incident, and it's
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Speaker 2: been reported she was missing from a government run shelter.
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Speaker 2: Another day in Melbourne, you might well say, well, how
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Speaker 2: does this comment earlier in the week by Premier Jacinta
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Speaker 2: Alan stack up when she was asked if the streets
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Speaker 2: of Melbourne were safe.
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Speaker 3: The CBD of Melbourne is safe. The Victorian community has
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Speaker 3: that protection from Victoria police. As we saw this morning.
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Speaker 2: Premier Allen is delusional. Allan was also part of the
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Speaker 2: former Premier Dan Andrews' cabinet that had previously softened the
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Speaker 2: bail laws in Victoria after an Indigenous woman passed away
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Speaker 2: in a police cell after being taken off a train
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Speaker 2: by police because of her intoxication. Those bail laws have
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Speaker 2: since been tightened again, but still repeat offenders are being
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Speaker 2: set free by politically correct magistrates too scared to lock
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Speaker 2: up teenagers. So what did Premier Allen have to say
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Speaker 2: today at a media conference held one hundred and forty
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Speaker 2: kilometers away from Melbourne in her hometown of Bendigo.
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Speaker 3: Well, this act of shocking, brazen violence that we've seen
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Speaker 3: on Little Burke Street in Melbourne's CBD is just absolutely sickening.
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Speaker 3: It's sickening and my thoughts and support go to the
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Speaker 3: victim and her wide family hill.
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Speaker 2: She used all the cliches, sickening, act, appalling, brazen, violent, Yes,
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Speaker 2: but what if anything are you actually doing about it?
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Speaker 2: There were, it seems, local media at that doorstop. What
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Speaker 2: I wanted someone to ask the Premier, Premier Allen was
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Speaker 2: this simple question, why don't you resign as premier given
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Speaker 2: that you have lost control of crime in Victoria. Surely
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Speaker 2: keeping people safe is your number one job. She wouldn't,
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Speaker 2: of course, and she won't resign, and she is the
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Speaker 2: head of the monster government that has allowed all of
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Speaker 2: this stuff to fester. And later this morning, Melbourne's Lord
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Speaker 2: Mayor Nicholas Reese, who stood for the election most recently
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Speaker 2: partly on a platform of keeping people safe in the CBD,
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Speaker 2: promising roving patrols of security guards that have either been
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Speaker 2: invisible or haven't even materialized. Reese was as we know,
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Speaker 2: he had known about this incident for two weeks, but
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Speaker 2: he didn't think to tell the public. He tried to
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Speaker 2: defend himself today.
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Speaker 4: I released a statement about this incident a week ago.
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Speaker 4: I was available to any media, including yourself, Paul, who
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Speaker 4: wanted to discuss it. Now the video footage has been released,
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Speaker 4: there's another round of media and community interests, and that's
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Speaker 4: totally understandable. And now I'm here talking to you about it.
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Speaker 1: As I understand it.
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Speaker 2: Rees put the statement out to one small newspaper that
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Speaker 2: no one reads.
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Speaker 1: So here we go.
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Speaker 2: They all now duck for cover, blame someone else, criticize
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Speaker 2: the media for the over the top coverage, while meantime
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Speaker 2: people avoid the CBD in droves and the poor stab
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Speaker 2: victim is too scared to even leave her apartment. That's Melbourne,
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Speaker 2: October twenty twenty five. Just before we go to superinnuation,
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Speaker 2: I can talk to Warren Hogan in the Sect Changes
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Speaker 2: this week, there is some breaking news tonight. This afternoon.
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Speaker 2: The Cidney Morning Herald has been reporting and Danika mentioned
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Speaker 2: that former Deputy Prime Minister and one time Nationals leader
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Speaker 2: now back bench at Barnaby Joyce is in advanced talks
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Speaker 2: to join One Nation. Now, if true, that could spell
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Speaker 2: huge termoil for the coalition. We'll have more on this later.
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Speaker 2: I'll talk to Joe Hildebrand about it. But Barnaby Joyce
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Speaker 2: and Pauline Hanson apparently both been contacted for confirmation. I
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Speaker 2: think neither of them have confirmed it yet, but it
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Speaker 2: would appear that those discussions, if the Herald report is right,
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Speaker 2: are taking place right now. But has had first up
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Speaker 2: this week, the Treasurer finally had to embarrassingly back down
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Speaker 2: on his controversial plan to tax unrealized capital gains on
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Speaker 2: superbalances over the three million dollar mark. Now, he was
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Speaker 2: very eager to deny that he was actually rolled by
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 1: I don't believe him.
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Speaker 5: How can this be interpreted in any other way than
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Speaker 5: you've been.
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Speaker 6: Rolled by the primist. The Prime Minister and I agree
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Speaker 6: these changes. I recommended it to the colleagues.
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Speaker 7: I've announced it within a couple of hours of cabinet
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Speaker 7: agreeing it.
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Speaker 6: Did you get rolled by the Prime Minister?
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Speaker 1: No, of course, not.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is EQ Economics Managing director Warren Hogan. Warren,
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Speaker 2: great to see you again. It's interesting. I was talking
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Speaker 2: to someone this week who actually has a superannuation fund
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Speaker 2: that is worth more than three million dollars, and that
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Speaker 2: person did make the point to me that, oh, well,
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Speaker 2: everyone has got more than three million is going around
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Speaker 2: saying they've had a win.
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Speaker 1: Well, I haven't had a win.
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Speaker 2: The taxation on the realized profits if you've got over
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Speaker 2: three million is going to go from fifteen percent to
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Speaker 2: thirty Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Good evening, Steve. That's exactly right.
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Speaker 8: I mean, there still is a new tax coming in.
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Speaker 8: It's just that it's not on that ridiculous concept of
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Speaker 8: unrealized capital gains. And we've had some further clarity today
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Speaker 8: from the treasure I believe, saying that the capital gains
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Speaker 8: will be calculated as of twenty twenty, so people who
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Speaker 8: have been holding BHP and Westpac shares for the last
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Speaker 8: thirty years will not have to pay capital gains on
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Speaker 8: those increases that they've seen in that period, which is
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Speaker 8: good news, and we should.
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Speaker 2: Make the point I mean, you know, superannuation was held
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Speaker 2: out as the great savior of the nation. Paul Keating
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Speaker 2: introduced it. It was supposed to mean that people didn't
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Speaker 2: have to rely on the government or tax payers for
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Speaker 2: an age pension. But you know, over the years we've
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Speaker 2: gone from you know, tax free and you can have
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Speaker 2: as much money in super as you like, to the
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Speaker 2: situation now if you've got more than two million, you're
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Speaker 2: paying fifteen percent tax on profits over two and now
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Speaker 2: you're going to pay thirty percent on profits over three.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's such a honey pot warrant of money.
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Speaker 2: The government can't keep their hands off it.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, well they can't because it is a large amount
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Speaker 8: of money. And in an aging population, that was the
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Speaker 8: whole point to build up that savings pool people can
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Speaker 8: fund their retirement. But of course it was executed with
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Speaker 8: extreme generosity, which turned out to be very unfair. I
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Speaker 8: favored the wealthy, and it favored the old at the
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Speaker 8: expensive course of the poor and the young. And these
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Speaker 8: changes will address that to some extent, But most of all,
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Speaker 8: it's proven to not deliver what was promised at the beginning.
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Speaker 8: That is, it's turned out to be very expensive and
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Speaker 8: the generosity is not sustainable, particularly when you've got a
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Speaker 8: government spending so much money like the current federal government is.
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Speaker 8: And of course people have been making plans around this
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Speaker 8: for decades, and that's unfair. Whether it's fair or not
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Speaker 8: in terms of the outcome of the tax, it's unfair
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Speaker 8: on those people who've been making their retirement plans based
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Speaker 8: on certain expectations of taxation and so forth that have
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Speaker 8: now changed. Bearing in mind, to three million dollars is
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Speaker 8: not what it once used to be, and with inflation
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Speaker 8: the way it is get, we'll get even less. So
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Speaker 8: I think we've just revealed and at the start of
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Speaker 8: a process of a supersystem that promised a lot and
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Speaker 8: is now starting to crack under the pressure of demographics
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Speaker 8: and a big spending government.
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Speaker 2: The idea of taxing unrealized profits surely was never going
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Speaker 2: to fly. Paul Keating himself didn't like it, and there
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Speaker 2: was a lot of people in Jim Charmer's ear. What
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Speaker 2: do you make of the politics around this? I mean,
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Speaker 2: most people, I think understand that Charmers would have would
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Speaker 2: have pushed ahead with this, but he was convinced in
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Speaker 2: the end by various lobbyists not to do it. And
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Speaker 2: it seems to me from a distance that Anthony Alberaneze
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Speaker 2: was never keen on this idea, and he might have
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Speaker 2: been the one to say to Jim Chalmers, listen, mate,
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Speaker 2: you've got to drop that.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm sure it was.
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Speaker 8: I mean, I'm sure even the Treasurer would have recognized
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Speaker 8: the political challenges it's creating. And they've had two years
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Speaker 8: now of assessment, focus groups and feedback to make that judgment.
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Speaker 8: And of course the two issues that they've been at
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Speaker 8: indexation I think is essentially a moral issue, that is,
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Speaker 8: you're trying to deceive people, particularly after an episode of
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Speaker 8: inflation like we've just had in recent years. And then
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Speaker 8: of course the unrealized element, of course makes it very
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Speaker 8: difficult for people who've got assets that are illiquid, that is,
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Speaker 8: things like property. So I think they realized that this
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Speaker 8: was only going to get worse and worse for them
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Speaker 8: and undermine their political capital in the run up to
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Speaker 8: the next election. So it was a completely political decision.
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Speaker 8: The question is why did they do it in the
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Speaker 8: first place, And the answer is they need the money
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Speaker 8: because they're spending a lot of our income taxes and
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Speaker 8: our other taxes on other programs that didn't exist for
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Speaker 8: three years ago.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Just before you go the nudge up in unemployment,
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Speaker 2: do you think that necessarily leads the Reserve Bank to
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Speaker 2: perhaps go one more time with an in straight cup
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Speaker 2: this year.
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Speaker 8: Most likely not, because we're going to probably get a
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Speaker 8: pretty high inflation number in a few weeks, so we'll
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Speaker 8: watch that. Unless that comes in much less than what
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Speaker 8: economists are expecting, what I'm expecting, then I think we're
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Speaker 8: going to see the RBA sit on the sidelines, and unfortunately,
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Speaker 8: I think we're going to see these unemployment numbers creep
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Speaker 8: up over the next year because we have an economy
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Speaker 8: that's changing and a labor market that's inflexible, so businesses
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Speaker 8: are just having to layoff workers. There's plenty of demand
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Speaker 8: for labor, plenty of vacancies, it's just got a mismatch
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Speaker 8: between those without jobs and the demand for staff.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people been with trench. Warren Hogan,
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Speaker 2: Thank you. Always good to catch up, Warren Hogan. There
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Speaker 2: from Judo Bank.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 2: The Victorian government has unvoted this week a laptop policy
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Speaker 2: which will see primary school students have their daily screen
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Speaker 2: time limited to ninety eight minutes in the classroom. I
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Speaker 2: don't think that is a bad thing. But under the plan,
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Speaker 2: parents will also not have to now pay for laptops.
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Speaker 2: That that sounds fantastic though you won't have to buy
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Speaker 2: a two grand two and a half grand laptop for
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Speaker 2: your child. But this has sparked real concerns there could
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Speaker 2: be an absolute shortage of laptops when it comes to
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Speaker 2: NAP plan because nap plant testing is now done online.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is the founder of Real Schools CEO
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Speaker 2: Adam Void knows more about education than anyone in the country.
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Speaker 2: When you look at the policy, I think it says
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Speaker 2: to parents, well, you're not going to have to buy
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Speaker 2: a laptop, but our schools funded well enough in the
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Speaker 2: public system in Victoria that every kid's going to get one.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, good evening, Steved.
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Speaker 9: You can make the case and as is often made
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Speaker 9: by the Education Union in Victoria, the Victoria's schools are
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Speaker 9: already probably our worst funded government schools across the country.
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Speaker 9: And so the case is there that this is not
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Speaker 9: the place that to make a cost of living saving
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Speaker 9: for our parents and denying them the opportunity to invest
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Speaker 9: in their kids' education the way they do by making
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Speaker 9: sure they've got the tools that are relevant for their futures.
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Speaker 6: It's probably not the best move for them to make.
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Speaker 9: I'm far less concerned about Naplan results getting Naplan getting done.
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Speaker 9: I think that we'll probably hear announcements soon about schools
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Speaker 9: having staggered time for them to be able to run
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Speaker 9: that land tests than I am about quality lessons being
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Speaker 9: able to be running our government schools, and indeed a
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Speaker 9: lot because a lot of our government schools are catering
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Speaker 9: for our kids with the biggest needs, and some of
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Speaker 9: them they rely on this kind of technology.
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Speaker 6: Their parents are not going to escape this.
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Speaker 2: Luckily for me, I'm ten years beyond paying school fees
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Speaker 2: and having children in secondary school. But I have a
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Speaker 2: vague memory, and your memory be better than mine about this.
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Speaker 2: Wasn't there a policy, either out of the rud government
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Speaker 2: or maybe the Turmbull government that every child in Australia
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Speaker 2: was going to be given a laptop by the government
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Speaker 2: to use at school.
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Speaker 9: It's rolled out in various ways and some schools, Steve,
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Speaker 9: including government schools, have a one laptop per child kind
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Speaker 9: of policy, and it's in a lot of ways marketed.
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Speaker 9: And that's why I worry a little bit for our
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Speaker 9: government schools here is that there's very much a facility's
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Speaker 9: arms raised happening in the education in the education sector,
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Speaker 9: and our independent and private schools use their facilities to
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Speaker 9: point out to parents, and they use guilts to market
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Speaker 9: to these parents that they need to get their kids
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Speaker 9: out of government schools and into private schools. And I
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Speaker 9: think this widens the gap between the kids, the perception
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Speaker 9: of what the kids who kind of have and haven't got.
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Speaker 6: Have when they're in the classroom.
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Speaker 9: That concerns me because the last thing we need is
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Speaker 9: more competition and a bigger distinction between our private and
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Speaker 9: our government schools. They got far smarter move would be
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Speaker 9: to invest in making sure that our government schools have
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Speaker 9: everything they need so that they don't need to ask
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Speaker 9: their parents to buy one laptop per child every year.
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Speaker 9: The headline out of this Adam, of course, was the
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Speaker 9: reduced screen time ninety minutes. I presume that's in any
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Speaker 9: given school day. What do you make of that?
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Speaker 2: I mean, what are the teachers capable of handling that change?
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Speaker 8: Yeah?
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Speaker 6: I think they probably asked.
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Speaker 9: I don't teachers, particularly in our government schools and principles
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Speaker 9: are pretty good citizens. I don't think they're going to
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Speaker 9: need anyone running in with a stopwatch to tell them
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Speaker 9: that's enough. I actually think that if this is a
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Speaker 9: I think one of the things that concerns me, I
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Speaker 9: guess is that this is seems to be a cost
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Speaker 9: of living measure of dressed up in an education reform policy.
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Speaker 9: The screen time that we need our kids to have
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Speaker 9: reduced is not the screen time that they're having on
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Speaker 9: a laptop at school. The stuff after school, frankly where
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Speaker 9: they should be in a park, not sitting in a
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Speaker 9: lound room where they're exposed to all kinds of dangers online.
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Speaker 9: And so we need to make sure that we don't
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Speaker 9: kind of lump all the screen time in together, and
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Speaker 9: we don't say that all screen time's bad or all
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Speaker 9: screen time's good. The stuff that they do at school
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Speaker 9: is mostly pretty good, and there are a lot of
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Speaker 9: programs that help teachers help kids make progress that they
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Speaker 9: won't have as fall and access to here. I think
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Speaker 9: one of the things that's also worth thinking about is
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Speaker 9: that whys the government schools in some way are our
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Speaker 9: wealthier kids less susceptible to the dangers of screen time.
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Speaker 9: And that's where this whole argument of tying it to
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Speaker 9: reduce screen time for kids kind of falls down. This
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Speaker 9: is in a lot of ways a populous measure around
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Speaker 9: the cost of living challenges that I'm not sure that
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Speaker 9: many parents are going to super appreciate.
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Speaker 2: Common sense is always Adamal's night to catch up with you.
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Speaker 2: Thanks very much for helping us out now coming after
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Speaker 2: the break the Victorian Shadow Police Minister. I mentioned this
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Speaker 2: at the start of the program. What's happened in Victoria
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Speaker 2: in the last six months, twelve months with crime is
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Speaker 2: completely unacceptable, its lawlessness and it's getting worse. I'll talk
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Speaker 2: to David Southwick plus how do we navigate the major
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Speaker 2: age care reforms are going to kick in next month
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Speaker 2: November one.
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Speaker 1: We'll find out after this Welcome back to Steve Price
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Speaker 1: with you.
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Speaker 2: As I said at the beginning of the program, it
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Speaker 2: pained me to describe Melbourne as murderous Melbourne, but what
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Speaker 2: else can you say. I mean, what we've seen in
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Speaker 2: the last two weeks has been extraordinary. We had a
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Speaker 2: bloke with a fake pistol hijacking cars in the middle
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Speaker 2: of the street. We had a bloke who had a
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Speaker 2: home invasion chasing kids down the road in his underpants.
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Speaker 1: And then two.
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Speaker 2: Weeks ago we finally found out, thanks to Paul Dowsley
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Speaker 2: on Channel seven last night, that a young woman allegedly
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Speaker 2: been stabbed at seven forty in the morning walking from
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Speaker 2: her apartment to go to work. The person involved was
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Speaker 2: on bail. Victoria continues to be confronted by all of
19:09
Speaker 2: these realities. It's a spiraling rate of crime. David Southwark
19:14
Speaker 2: has called it before lawlessness. The awful footage that we
19:17
Speaker 2: saw of that poor girl being stabbed. If that knife
19:20
Speaker 2: had gone closer to her heart, we could be talking
19:22
Speaker 2: about a fatality here. No surprise, As I said, the
19:26
Speaker 2: alleged attacker was on bail. Here's what the Premier had
19:29
Speaker 2: to say one hundred and forty kilometers away from Melbourne
19:32
Speaker 2: earlier today.
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Speaker 3: Well, this act of shocking, brazen violence that we've seen
19:38
Speaker 3: on Little Burke Street in Melbourne's CBD is just absolutely sickening.
19:44
Speaker 3: It's sickening and my thoughts and support go to the
19:47
Speaker 3: victim and her wide Familyhill.
19:52
Speaker 1: Well, let's bring in shadow please, Minister David Southwick. All
19:55
Speaker 1: the right cliches, no solutions, all tall.
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Speaker 10: And no action from a week premiere again, I mean
20:04
Speaker 10: this is chilling. Anyone that saw that footage would see
20:10
Speaker 10: horrific thing that no one would want to have to experience.
20:13
Speaker 10: But remember, the victims are left behind. The victims will
20:16
Speaker 10: have to live with this forever.
20:19
Speaker 1: What is the premiere? What should you do?
20:23
Speaker 10: Well, what the Premier needs to do is actually stand
20:27
Speaker 10: up and ensure that there are consequences for these actions.
20:32
Speaker 10: We need to ensure that if you break bail, then
20:35
Speaker 10: you go to jail. Those serious offenders can't be back
20:39
Speaker 10: on the streets. We see it again and again and again.
20:42
Speaker 10: I mean this happened a couple of weeks ago. We
20:45
Speaker 10: only found about it now. The day before it happened,
20:48
Speaker 10: the Premier said the streets of Melbourne is safe after
20:52
Speaker 10: cars or tore down Burke Street. We've seen all that
20:56
Speaker 10: happen before. This is a week premiere, all a state,
21:01
Speaker 10: no consequences in Victoria, no wonder.
21:03
Speaker 1: We're seeing what's happening at the moment. People are scared.
21:05
Speaker 10: People are scared. I had today two people from different
21:10
Speaker 10: ends of the suburbs. One while she was home, someone
21:14
Speaker 10: in high veers trying to break into her home, shake
21:17
Speaker 10: the door. Another one they broke into their home. Both
21:20
Speaker 10: had police they're doing swabs. They can't keep up. Police
21:24
Speaker 10: can't keep up. Meanwhile, the budget's been cut by fifty
21:29
Speaker 10: million dollars in the police budget. We don't have enough
21:31
Speaker 10: police on the streets. They are responding with one arm
21:34
Speaker 10: tied behind their back.
21:36
Speaker 2: A policeman Aster Anthony Carbines today, why was he not
21:39
Speaker 2: out there talking about what they're going to do to
21:42
Speaker 2: fix this problem?
21:43
Speaker 1: Who knows? I mean the premiers in Bendigo, it wasn't
21:47
Speaker 1: even in Melbourne.
21:48
Speaker 10: The Premier, the police minister. They need to stand up
21:51
Speaker 10: and say what are they going to do today to
21:54
Speaker 10: fix this. It's not good enough to say we've got
21:57
Speaker 10: the strongest laws, we've got the safest state. We know
22:00
Speaker 10: it's not true. We know it's not true. Victorians don't
22:04
Speaker 10: feel safe going into Melbourne at the moment. Why should
22:07
Speaker 10: you have to walk the streets with one hand with
22:10
Speaker 10: looking behind you in the fear of someone coming up
22:13
Speaker 10: after you. That incident that happened was in early in
22:17
Speaker 10: the day. Was someone going to work and this happens.
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Speaker 2: I've never been scared in Melbourne, but I would think
22:25
Speaker 2: twice about going to parts of Melbourne.
22:29
Speaker 1: I would have thought at night, you're not even safe
22:32
Speaker 1: in daylight.
22:33
Speaker 10: You're not safe, And the Premier keeps standing up and
22:37
Speaker 10: uses weasel words. You know, we're safe. We've got the
22:40
Speaker 10: strongest laws. That's not true, that's a lie. We've given
22:45
Speaker 10: her the pathway, stronger bayl laws, no exemptions for eighteen
22:50
Speaker 10: year olds, and saying well, if you're under eighteen you
22:52
Speaker 10: can have these carvats. If you commit a serious crime,
22:56
Speaker 10: whether you are fourteen or forty, you get locked up.
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Speaker 1: Is it Jack's law? The Queensland law that police can want.
23:04
Speaker 10: Where've been calling for that. Brett Beasley, who had his
23:07
Speaker 10: son Jack knived in a nightclub in the Gold Coast,
23:12
Speaker 10: has been an advocate for this with his family. It's
23:16
Speaker 10: in New South Wales, it's in Western Australia, it's obviously
23:20
Speaker 10: in Queensland as the first stake. He's going over to
23:22
Speaker 10: the UK to get it done. This Premier won't meet
23:26
Speaker 10: with him. The Premier won't meet with Brett Beasley refuses
23:30
Speaker 10: to meet within the police Minister refuses to meet with him,
23:33
Speaker 10: and the Premier says, we've got machete bin.
23:35
Speaker 2: You know what that comes down to. They'll run the
23:37
Speaker 2: civil liberties argument, won't well.
23:42
Speaker 10: I think it's ridiculous the fact that we've got the
23:45
Speaker 10: kinds of security when you go to the football, when
23:48
Speaker 10: you go to major events, you go through a scanner
23:52
Speaker 10: on the streets of Melbourne. Police needs need wands to
23:55
Speaker 10: be able to go through and give people a quick
23:57
Speaker 10: wand so they can feel safe. And if we've got
24:00
Speaker 10: nothing to hide, it shouldn't be a problem. These ones
24:03
Speaker 10: would save people's lives. The government needs to stand up
24:07
Speaker 10: and do it. What are they waiting for?
24:09
Speaker 2: Just finally, as a proud member of the Jewish community,
24:11
Speaker 2: are you happy that the pro Palestinian marches are now
24:14
Speaker 2: going to be paused. I don't know if they're going
24:17
Speaker 2: to be canceled, but they're not going to happen as
24:19
Speaker 2: they have been happening weekly.
24:20
Speaker 10: Well, I think that's a sigh of relief for the businesses,
24:24
Speaker 10: for the Jewish community, for everybody that's seen just our
24:27
Speaker 10: city again hijacked from these protests. They should be stopped.
24:31
Speaker 10: They've seen a ceasefire. Now move towards peace. The hostages
24:35
Speaker 10: are home. Why do we need any more protests in Melbourne?
24:39
Speaker 10: Hopefully they find something else. I know they'll find something
24:41
Speaker 10: else to protest about, but hopefully they give the Jewish
24:44
Speaker 10: community a bit of a break.
24:45
Speaker 1: David, Sirfwick, thanks for coming in.
24:48
Speaker 2: I want to go now to an issue which will
24:50
Speaker 2: hit close to home from many people, me included. From
24:52
Speaker 2: November one, the nation's biggest age care reforms in thirty
24:56
Speaker 2: years are set to kick in. So that's in about
24:58
Speaker 2: two weeks time.
24:59
Speaker 11: Now.
24:59
Speaker 2: Under the these changes, older Australians will be asked to
25:02
Speaker 2: contribute more when it comes to the costs of their
25:05
Speaker 2: care in an effort to make the system more sustainable. Now,
25:09
Speaker 2: this is where people get help at home, whether it
25:12
Speaker 2: be for showering, cleaning, doing gardening. Joining me now to
25:16
Speaker 2: unpack this is National Seniors Australia CEO Chris Christ. Chris,
25:21
Speaker 2: thanks for joining us. I mean, what's the best way
25:23
Speaker 2: for someone like me to deal with the changes? I mean,
25:26
Speaker 2: I've got a ninety year old mother. She has some
25:30
Speaker 2: in care, in home care, but she keeps saying to me,
25:34
Speaker 2: I don't know what the changes are going to mean
25:35
Speaker 2: to me. I don't know whether it's going to cost
25:37
Speaker 2: me more or will they not be here for as long?
25:39
Speaker 2: How do we find out?
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Speaker 7: Certainly, step in the first instance, folks who are outside
25:46
Speaker 7: the system so they're looking for care. The best way
25:49
Speaker 7: forward is to actually go to the government website myagecare
25:54
Speaker 7: dot gov dot au. There's an incredible amount of information
25:58
Speaker 7: and support that they're providing online line. Yes, you can call,
26:01
Speaker 7: you can talk to people, but in terms of stepping
26:04
Speaker 7: people through the process of what age care looks like
26:08
Speaker 7: going forward, there are some fabulous tools that they have
26:11
Speaker 7: created for those who already have care Steve. Importantly, that's
26:16
Speaker 7: where their existing care provider will work with them in
26:20
Speaker 7: terms of what it looks like going forward. But important
26:24
Speaker 7: to understand that those that have been receiving care for
26:27
Speaker 7: some time, and I guess since September last year that
26:32
Speaker 7: was sort of the cutoff point if you had a
26:34
Speaker 7: program or package in place at that particular time, basically
26:39
Speaker 7: that cover or that care will continue importantly, and from
26:44
Speaker 7: a cost perspective, there's likely to be minimal impact to
26:48
Speaker 7: those who already have a package.
26:52
Speaker 2: Well, minimal impact for a person religned on the age
26:56
Speaker 2: pension is still a pretty big impact. I mean, I
26:58
Speaker 2: don't want to get too personal a out of it,
27:00
Speaker 2: and my mother won't mind, I don't think, but she
27:03
Speaker 2: has You know someone who comes to clean twice a week,
27:06
Speaker 2: if she has a problem with leaves in her gutter
27:09
Speaker 2: or the garden needs attention, someone comes and does that.
27:13
Speaker 1: She doesn't have.
27:13
Speaker 2: Any health care, but she's worried that they may not
27:18
Speaker 2: come as frequently and b it might cost her more.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, So I guess in terms of those within, and
27:24
Speaker 7: this is the important piece to I guess to unpack,
27:27
Speaker 7: is that we've got those that are within the system
27:29
Speaker 7: at present and who have a package, and then the
27:32
Speaker 7: who will be looking for a package going forward, and
27:36
Speaker 7: that's the challenge step. In relation to the numbers of folk,
27:40
Speaker 7: I think we've got something like four point four point
27:43
Speaker 7: three mere people that are over sixty seven, and the
27:48
Speaker 7: numbers of folk that will require age care going forward
27:52
Speaker 7: will be incredibly significant. And so this is I guess
27:55
Speaker 7: the new system is a way to try and get
27:57
Speaker 7: in particular for clinical care, to make sure that as
28:01
Speaker 7: much clinical care as possible is provided to as many
28:04
Speaker 7: older as trains as possible.
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Speaker 2: Does National Seniors believe the government has given enough information?
28:12
Speaker 2: I mean you mentioned the website, but a lot of
28:14
Speaker 2: very older Australians are perhaps not able to access a
28:17
Speaker 2: website like that. Have they been upfront enough about the
28:21
Speaker 2: changes and does National Seniors support these reforms.
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Speaker 7: Our roadshow has been around the country for some time
28:31
Speaker 7: now and even they're going out into libraries. Libraries across
28:34
Speaker 7: the country are also providing information and support because it
28:39
Speaker 7: is acknowledged that your rights teed. Not everybody can be online,
28:43
Speaker 7: and so they've done a lot of work to support that.
28:46
Speaker 7: There's also OPEN, who's the Older Person's Advisory Network, and
28:51
Speaker 7: Open are providing for those folk that need assistance one
28:57
Speaker 7: on one. They're also providing support as well, So happy
29:02
Speaker 7: to give you a number on that Steve that's one
29:04
Speaker 7: eight hundred, seven hundred, six hundred. So they're providing individual
29:09
Speaker 7: advocacy for those folks who, let's say they've been waiting
29:12
Speaker 7: for a package sometime and they haven't had any news
29:17
Speaker 7: as to what's happening with their package.
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Speaker 2: Chris, I suspect we'll talk again. That waiting period is
29:24
Speaker 2: something we need to run the ground. Thank you very
29:26
Speaker 2: much for joining us tonight. We'll catch up again after
29:29
Speaker 2: November one. Now after the break, following his success in Gaza,
29:32
Speaker 2: can President Donald Trump now secure a ceasefire in Ukraine?
29:37
Speaker 2: Plus the week in cartoons, My great mate Mark Knight
29:40
Speaker 2: will be in the studio.
29:45
Speaker 1: Welcome back to do price with you.
29:46
Speaker 2: Let's bring in our favorite cartoonist, heralds On, best cartoonist
29:49
Speaker 2: in the country. Mark Knight joins us in the studio.
29:52
Speaker 2: I had a little break, but Donald Trump hasn't taken
29:55
Speaker 2: a break. He's been on the front foard. He's be
30:00
Speaker 2: gold for you.
30:02
Speaker 1: You can never underestimate Donald Trump.
30:05
Speaker 12: And I was just coming back from holidays and my
30:07
Speaker 12: wife said, why don't you take another day off? And
30:09
Speaker 12: that story landed and I said, no doubt, I'm going
30:12
Speaker 12: back to work. He just defies expectation all the time.
30:17
Speaker 12: When you think, you know, we were calling him Taco.
30:21
Speaker 12: His critics were, you know Trump always chickens out. Well,
30:24
Speaker 12: I don't think they can say that now, not on
30:27
Speaker 12: this result.
30:28
Speaker 2: So Lydia Thorpe, she's threatened to burn down Parliament, but
30:30
Speaker 2: there she is with Donald Trump. She's not happy because
30:34
Speaker 2: Trump'ster's managed to be the white dove of peace.
30:37
Speaker 12: Who could have thought that Donald Trump would be the
30:39
Speaker 12: white dove? And Lydia, I mean she's transmogrified by this result.
30:44
Speaker 2: I'm interested in your Trump drawing because you always draw
30:47
Speaker 2: that maga hat over his eyes. Yea, his eyes hard
30:51
Speaker 2: to draw it. Well, you don't want people to see
30:52
Speaker 2: what he says.
30:53
Speaker 12: Well, I did another cartoon of him this week which
30:55
Speaker 12: we may look at.
30:56
Speaker 1: But is the one of the hostages?
30:57
Speaker 12: Yes, but that cap is I think that's the evolution
31:02
Speaker 12: of Donald Trump.
31:03
Speaker 1: After his first term he was sort of a little.
31:07
Speaker 12: Bit unsure about it, but this term, he knows what
31:09
Speaker 12: he's going to do. And the megacap symbolizes So that's.
31:12
Speaker 1: In the tunnels under Gaza.
31:14
Speaker 12: Well, this is you know, who would have thought that
31:16
Speaker 12: the hostages would be free? I don't think anybody thought
31:19
Speaker 12: it was actually going to happen. It was going to
31:21
Speaker 12: be a really tragic story. But Donald Trump again defies
31:26
Speaker 12: his critics, and I thought, how can I show the
31:28
Speaker 12: sort of surprise on the critics of Donald Trump on
31:33
Speaker 12: their faces and to see I think the President walking
31:36
Speaker 12: through the tunnels of very good of Gaza to rescue
31:40
Speaker 12: the remaining hostage.
31:40
Speaker 1: There is a really serious side to cartoon. We're in
31:43
Speaker 1: the middle of a crime crisis.
31:44
Speaker 2: We're talking about this video that's emerged that poor young
31:48
Speaker 2: girl is getting stabbed walking to work at seven forty
31:52
Speaker 2: in the morning.
31:52
Speaker 1: Crazy.
31:53
Speaker 2: I've written about the police commissioner and ankle bracelets. You
31:56
Speaker 2: could draw the cartoon on that for us. Let's have
31:58
Speaker 2: a look at you a crime crisis cut, because you
32:01
Speaker 2: know it must be hard when.
32:03
Speaker 1: You're talking about such a thing such as crime. In
32:06
Speaker 1: what to draw? I mean this is Mike Bush. Yeah,
32:10
Speaker 1: Mike Bush.
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Speaker 12: He's the new cop on the beat in Victoria and
32:13
Speaker 12: we're hoping he was going to bring something different to
32:15
Speaker 12: the job.
32:16
Speaker 1: And it looks like he is. He's his own man.
32:18
Speaker 12: And as I say in the cartoon, the most terrifying
32:23
Speaker 12: thing I think for the premier of Victoria is not
32:26
Speaker 12: the crime stats. But they have an independent police commissioner
32:30
Speaker 12: who's saying what he thinks. And he's come out and
32:32
Speaker 12: he said, yeah, we do have a crime problem Victoria.
32:35
Speaker 12: And he's an advocate for these crime bracelets, and yeah,
32:38
Speaker 12: look that these cartoons are tough, and there's a lot
32:41
Speaker 12: of tough news lately. You know, we're just talking about
32:44
Speaker 12: Israel and Trump.
32:45
Speaker 2: You had to do your main cartoon for the paper tomorrow,
32:48
Speaker 2: I have on.
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Speaker 1: Crime what else?
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Speaker 12: And because I'd already drawn Just Center Allan or just
32:57
Speaker 12: Senter Andrews as we call her, now this cartoon I
33:01
Speaker 12: went for something a bit different, and it was I
33:03
Speaker 12: think you know, five years ago vic Melbourne was winning
33:07
Speaker 12: most livable city in the world, in the world and
33:10
Speaker 12: now it's the crime capital of the world.
33:12
Speaker 1: And so I've done it.
33:13
Speaker 12: As you drive in from Melbourne Airport and you're heading
33:16
Speaker 12: towards the big cheese stick to the city, there's a
33:19
Speaker 12: big billboard on the Tullamarin freeware and it's rebranding Victoria
33:24
Speaker 12: and I'll.
33:25
Speaker 2: Get your reads to check it out. We're going to
33:27
Speaker 2: turn the chief stick into a mashetti.
33:29
Speaker 1: I've already done that.
33:32
Speaker 2: To seeing it to you Tuesday, Mark Night back with
33:35
Speaker 2: us in a couple of weeks. He is sensational his cartoons.
33:38
Speaker 2: Make sure you catch him in the Heralds tomorrow. Now
33:40
Speaker 2: let's jump across the UK to discuss some of those
33:43
Speaker 2: big international stories that will involve invariably Donald Trump. And
33:47
Speaker 2: there's been a huge amount happening here to take us
33:49
Speaker 2: through it. Sky News contributor UK commentator. We've joined him
33:53
Speaker 2: on a Friday night a couple of times. Now, Adrian
33:55
Speaker 2: Hayes Agent, great to see you again. I watched a
33:58
Speaker 2: lot of Donald Trump today saying that he's going to
34:01
Speaker 2: meet Vladimir Putin.
34:02
Speaker 1: They're going to go to Hungary.
34:03
Speaker 2: He had a two hour phone call. He's going to
34:05
Speaker 2: see Zelenski in the Oval office. I think tomorrow. What
34:11
Speaker 2: chance of convincing Vladimir Putin to lay down his arms?
34:15
Speaker 6: Well, good chance, by the way, Good evening, Steve.
34:17
Speaker 5: I'm trying to do what politicians do so many times,
34:19
Speaker 5: speak in front of a bookcase to make me look
34:22
Speaker 5: very intelligent. Anyway, but look Trump, let's look, yeah, we
34:26
Speaker 5: all do it. I'm not at home this week, but
34:29
Speaker 5: I'm in an hotel anyway, Look, look look like him,
34:32
Speaker 5: all loathe them, and I think most people will agree
34:34
Speaker 5: he's a deal maker. Like him, all loath of them,
34:37
Speaker 5: And I personally think he is committed to ending wars.
34:40
Speaker 5: I think there's an authenticity about that where he's got it. Perhaps,
34:43
Speaker 5: and questionable is so far is being rather too soft
34:47
Speaker 5: on Putin, rather too hard on Zelenski. But look, I
34:51
Speaker 5: quote from a former chief of the UK r and Forces,
34:55
Speaker 5: this war will end like all wars do, with division
34:58
Speaker 5: of land, with buffer zones, with guarantees and such like.
35:01
Speaker 5: It's just how much to one side that can he
35:05
Speaker 5: get Putin, as you said, to lay down his arms
35:08
Speaker 5: or you know, to get some deal that is really
35:11
Speaker 5: fair to both sides.
35:14
Speaker 2: I mean he's a hard man obviously, putin you're a
35:19
Speaker 2: hard man yourself. When you hear Donald Trump talk about
35:23
Speaker 2: the young soldiers being killed on the front line, whether
35:27
Speaker 2: they be Russian or Ukrainian, but mainly Ukrainian, that really,
35:31
Speaker 2: I think shows there's a genuine softness to Donald Trump,
35:36
Speaker 2: who wants to stop people being killed.
35:38
Speaker 1: That's not an act.
35:41
Speaker 5: Yeah, some people may say, look, he's just doing this
35:44
Speaker 5: to get the Nobel Peace Prize. I personally think for
35:47
Speaker 5: all his faults and say, it's not about to judge
35:49
Speaker 5: his character or anything else. I do think there is
35:52
Speaker 5: there's a sincere, authentic desire to end war. He says
35:56
Speaker 5: it pretty much every time he speaks about the number
35:58
Speaker 5: of soldiers being killed.
36:00
Speaker 6: It is a war that shouldn't have started.
36:03
Speaker 5: It is a war that could have been ended in
36:05
Speaker 5: April twenty twenty two, but it was scuppered by our
36:09
Speaker 5: Prime Minister Boris Johnson on under instructions from the US
36:13
Speaker 5: President at the time, Joe Biden. There is a big commitment.
36:17
Speaker 5: Whether it would have started if he was in power not,
36:19
Speaker 5: that's debatable, But I do as you said, I think
36:22
Speaker 5: there was a genuine, designed commitment but to end it.
36:25
Speaker 6: But it's just how you do go about it.
36:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, he certainly wasn't going to end it in one
36:31
Speaker 2: day like he claimed he would have during the election campaign.
36:33
Speaker 2: Let's turn our attention to the UK. We've got the
36:36
Speaker 2: MI five Chief Ken McCallum. He's worn that China poses
36:41
Speaker 2: a daily threat to Britain's national security. He's frustrated over
36:45
Speaker 2: the collapse of a major Beijing linked spy case Britain,
36:50
Speaker 2: and it stands toward China. They have softened a little
36:53
Speaker 2: bit under Kia Stama. He's made the UK more vulnerable.
36:56
Speaker 2: It would appear in five might agree with that.
37:01
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, this case is it's a complicated case and
37:03
Speaker 5: perhaps your viewers won't want to hear the whole thing.
37:05
Speaker 5: But personally, I think that the fascinating thing about this
37:09
Speaker 5: is not that spine's taking place, because Ken McCallen, it
37:12
Speaker 5: takes place every day, in fact, on all sides. It's
37:15
Speaker 5: the fact that this particular case against two individuals was
37:18
Speaker 5: was stopped at the prosecution stage.
37:21
Speaker 6: And you have to ask, you know yourself, why is it.
37:23
Speaker 5: Is it because the government or the senior civil service
37:26
Speaker 5: were involved or weren't they? And I think you have
37:29
Speaker 5: to really sort of say if they knew about it
37:33
Speaker 5: and collapse the trial in this case, then they're lying
37:36
Speaker 5: to Parliament and there's there's cover ups.
37:38
Speaker 6: Or if they weren't aware, then they're incompetence. You don't
37:42
Speaker 6: win it all.
37:42
Speaker 5: But I think with your your your other point. You know,
37:45
Speaker 5: I say so many times that join the dots, find
37:48
Speaker 5: the vested interest and follow the money. So much of
37:51
Speaker 5: the UK's interests are.
37:53
Speaker 6: Now you know, owned by China.
37:55
Speaker 5: You know, they own half of our most of our
37:57
Speaker 5: debt and we're in this chronic debt syndrome.
37:59
Speaker 6: They own a lot of our companies, and.
38:00
Speaker 5: I think there's a there's this softenings you say that
38:03
Speaker 5: that's really trying not to upset the apple cart because
38:06
Speaker 5: we've we've got ourselves into such a sticky mess.
38:11
Speaker 12: I do.
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Speaker 2: I know you'll love this, but looking at the pictures
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Speaker 2: of them I five boss, if you were casting for
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Speaker 2: ANM I five boss for a movie, he'd be exactly
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Speaker 2: the sort of bloke that would be running M I five.
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Speaker 1: Have a look at him, I mean.
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Speaker 9: Seriously, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's more but he reminds me
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Speaker 9: maybe a little bit more like mister Bean.
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Speaker 5: But I don't want to be sort of cast aspirations
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Speaker 5: against Ken, you know. But you know, look I five
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Speaker 5: is it's it's actually to be honest. On a separate point,
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Speaker 5: it's a bit like our police officers. Now, you know
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Speaker 5: that the hard people we we sort of envisage at
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Speaker 5: the top of police orm I five is not always
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Speaker 5: the way that it is these days.
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Speaker 2: Adrian, know what's good to catch up into, my friend,
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Speaker 2: have a great weekend. Let's adine there in the coming up.
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Speaker 2: After the break, our panel will join us. Finally some
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Speaker 2: sense from those pro Palestinian protesters and a decision not
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Speaker 2: to rally this weekend, but how long before they find
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Speaker 2: some other excuse to march in the streets. Plus, there's
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Speaker 2: plenty of talk about the upcoming meeting between Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: and Anthony Albanisi. I've worked it out early in the
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Speaker 2: morning Tuesday, out time early promise of a billion dollar
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Speaker 2: defense revamp on the cards that's coming up. Welcome back,
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Speaker 2: coming up, Rondine after us. Now, let's get into the
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Speaker 2: panel tonight. Research fellow at the Institute of Public Affairs
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Speaker 2: at MIA Schlipt and Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand, as
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Speaker 2: usual on a Friday, welcome to you both. There has
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Speaker 2: been some breaking news late this afternoon in politics. The
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Speaker 2: Sidney Morning Herald has what they call an exclusive reporting
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Speaker 2: that Barnaby Joyce, former Deputy Prime Minister of course, former
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Speaker 2: leader of the Nationals, now ensconced on the backbench by
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Speaker 2: his choice, is in advanced talks, according to this article,
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Speaker 2: to join Pauline Hansen's One Nation. Joe, you know Barnaby, well.
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Speaker 1: So do I.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't surprise me, but I would be I'd be
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Speaker 2: staggered if this actually ever came to anything solid.
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Speaker 1: What do you think?
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Speaker 13: Look in mean ways, it's kind of an interesting fit
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Speaker 13: for Barnaby because he's always been maverick.
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Speaker 11: There are almost two National parties.
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Speaker 13: There's the one led by Barnaby Joyce, where it is
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Speaker 13: a kind of fire brand party under his leadership, and
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Speaker 13: then there's the one led by the other sort of
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Speaker 13: more small c conservative faction.
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Speaker 11: There's not really much left for Barnaby in the NATS.
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Speaker 13: I think if you accept the rule that you know
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Speaker 13: you're always back self interested in politics because it's the
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Speaker 13: only horse you know that's really trying if he wants
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Speaker 13: to go further, there's pretty much nowhere else.
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Speaker 11: He can go.
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Speaker 13: He's not going to advance in David Little Prowd's NATS.
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Speaker 13: If there's a future leader from his faction will probably
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Speaker 13: be Matt Canavan. So I actually think there's every chance
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Speaker 13: he will join One Nation and deliver it. It's first,
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Speaker 13: I believe, lower House seat in the House of Representatives,
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Speaker 13: so it could be a bit of a game changer.
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Speaker 2: Well, Joe, I mean, I take what you're saying, but
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Speaker 2: I just, you know, I try and throw forward on
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Speaker 2: these things. I mean, I'm not comparing Barnaby Joyce at
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Speaker 2: all to Mark Latham, but when Latham joined the One
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Speaker 2: Nation Party in New South Wales, he and Pauline just
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Speaker 2: kept butting heads. They were never going to be able
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Speaker 2: to work together. I just wonder, with the two egos
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Speaker 2: the size of Pauline, with all due respect Pauline and Barnaby,
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Speaker 2: could that really work.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's a million dollar question.
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Speaker 13: I mean every time in One Nation, we've seen it,
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Speaker 13: in every incarnation of the party, every time there's been
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Speaker 13: some kind of clash with Pauline, and every single time
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Speaker 13: Pauline wins.
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Speaker 11: I think Pauline.
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Speaker 13: And Barnaby are probably a better and more natural fit
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Speaker 13: with each other than Mark Latham ever was. Also interestingly,
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Speaker 13: Barnaby Joyce will be the first ever f former federal minister,
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Speaker 13: let alone former deputy prime minister who's ever joined One Nation.
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Speaker 13: Latham never actually I don't think had a ministerial portfolio
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Speaker 13: in government despite all his roles in opposition. And so again,
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Speaker 13: and Barnaby for all this sort of I guess bluster
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Speaker 13: is a less kind of shall we say, nuclear.
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Speaker 11: Proposition than Mark Latham is, and so I think it's
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Speaker 11: probably likely to go than the Mark Latham experiment.
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Speaker 13: Well, he's more sort of cuddly, He's not as dark
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Speaker 13: as Latham.
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Speaker 11: Let's say.
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Speaker 2: Mea could this be the start of a Farage style
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Speaker 2: Conservative party in Australia. I mean we've even heard late
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Speaker 2: this afternoon Forage's polling numbers in the UK have continued
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Speaker 2: to grow, and the latest poll out there has the
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Speaker 2: Tories only winning if an election was held this weekend.
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Speaker 2: Seven seats have been wiped out. Is this the direction
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Speaker 2: that you think One Nation with a barn to Be
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Speaker 2: Joyce on board might take the Conservative movement in Australia.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, Look, there's no doubt that the Farag's party has
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Speaker 14: done extraordinarily well in the UK, and whilst Australia is
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Speaker 14: facing many of the issues the UK is also facing,
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Speaker 14: we have some similarities. I think the differences in our
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Speaker 14: electoral system the structure, would make it very different difficult
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Speaker 14: for a Farage style party to get elected here in Australia.
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Speaker 14: But certainly what I think is that if Barnaby Joyce
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Speaker 14: does end up joining one Nation, certainly it'll be a
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Speaker 14: massive thorn in the side of the Coalition. I mean
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Speaker 14: here it's very clear that post election of the Coalition
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Speaker 14: is a bit lost. It doesn't know what it stands for,
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Speaker 14: it doesn't know what its values are, and Barneby is
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Speaker 14: pretty clear on what he stands for. There are issues
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Speaker 14: that he wants to start talking about, like net zero,
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Speaker 14: like mass migration. So I think if he was given
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Speaker 14: the platform to speak about that, it could become a
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Speaker 14: massive issue for the Coalition because they'd actually have to
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Speaker 14: start answer some of these questions that are being put forward.
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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see where it goes.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure everyone will be all over that story later
44:07
Speaker 2: today and we'll get an update tomorrow. Miya two years
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Speaker 2: We've had in Melbourne of weekly rallies pro Palestinian protests,
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Speaker 2: sometimes more than one a week. They say that they
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Speaker 2: will pause. Now that's the word that worries me here. Pause,
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Speaker 2: not stop or cancel or not do it anymore following
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Speaker 2: the ceasefire. What the hell are they out there protesting
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Speaker 2: about when we're in the early days of a ceasefire.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, this is one of those issues where
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Speaker 14: I will believe it where I see it. I'm from
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Speaker 14: Melbourne and we are sick to death of these relentless
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Speaker 14: protests over and over again. At the end of the day,
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Speaker 14: are these protesters they're activists? Are they there to cause disruption?
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Speaker 14: So no, I don't think they'll rest because at the
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Speaker 14: end of the day, they're not advocating for peace in
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Speaker 14: the Middle East. Are they calling for the destruction of Israel?
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Speaker 14: And until that happens, I don't think we'll hear the
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Speaker 14: end of it. And I think what Victorians are especially
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Speaker 14: disappointed in is a lack of leadership from the Victorian
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Speaker 14: government in calling an end to these protests. At the
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Speaker 14: end of the day, protests that fully intimidate or harass
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Speaker 14: the general public are no longer a genuine exercise and
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Speaker 14: free speech. They have gone too far, and time and
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Speaker 14: time again we've seen the Victorian government shut down protests
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Speaker 14: on issues that they don't want to talk about. Over again.
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Speaker 14: We've seen it during the anti lockdown protest. We saw
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Speaker 14: it recently with migration protests. They didn't want to talk
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Speaker 14: about it, so they shut those down. But they've shown
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Speaker 14: no leadership shutting down these protesters.
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Speaker 2: Joey New South Rala. Of course you've had that court
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Speaker 2: decision this week in regard to pro Palestine protests or
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Speaker 2: protests of any kind being able to protest outside places
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Speaker 2: of worship. I mean that was a very unusual court
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Speaker 2: decision to be polite.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, and not the first time the courts have, in
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Speaker 13: my humble opinion, got it wrong. I think that use
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Speaker 13: South Weals generally has a pretty good system where you
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Speaker 13: need a permit to protest, the protest organizers and the
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Speaker 13: police work out where the best route is so the
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Speaker 13: protesters can get their message Hurd And that's fair enough.
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Speaker 13: That's what we want in a free society, but that
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Speaker 13: doesn't actually intimidate people who have their own freedoms, who
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Speaker 13: want to be able to freely express and partake in
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Speaker 13: their religion. The decision to allow the protest to go
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Speaker 13: over the Harbor Bridge was the wrong one and proved
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Speaker 13: to be the wrong one when police had to turn
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Speaker 13: it around for public safety reasons and they were denied
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Speaker 13: the opportunity to protest at the Opera House for the
46:37
Speaker 13: same reason. This time, the court's got it right. So
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Speaker 13: these protesters, frankly, are just bami. I mean, what are
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Speaker 13: they protesting against now? At peace they're protesting against the ceasefire.
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Speaker 13: They're protesting against Hamas laying down its weapons, or the
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Speaker 13: return of the hostages, or the return of Palestinian prisoners.
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Speaker 13: I mean, they don't even know what they're protesting against.
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Speaker 13: They just want to protest. And there'll be another cause
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Speaker 13: tomorrow that they'll pick up and want to jump up
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Speaker 13: and down about.
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Speaker 1: Joe, the three of us.
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Speaker 2: You know Anthony Abanezi best, he's going to meet Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump next week.
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Speaker 1: I've tried to work out.
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Speaker 2: Exactly what time that meaning will take place. Best I
47:17
Speaker 2: can work out is somewhere around two or three am
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Speaker 2: on Tuesday morning. Genuine question. How nervous would he be?
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Speaker 1: Look?
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Speaker 11: Not too nervous, to be honest.
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Speaker 13: These meetings are usually very choreographed, and they're not you know,
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Speaker 13: they're not organized until you know what each party is
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Speaker 13: going to say, and what Thatsky.
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Speaker 11: That and I was going to say.
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Speaker 13: The shining exception to that rule, or the exception that
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Speaker 13: proves the rule is what it mean is Zelensky. And
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Speaker 13: you'll note that that blow up in the White House
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Speaker 13: Oval office was very quickly remedied, so you know, shortly
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Speaker 13: after that they met again in France and were very cordial,
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Speaker 13: and they've since resumed they're amicable relationship.
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Speaker 11: And Trump has.
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Speaker 13: Been more hard on Putin and more sympathetic to the
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Speaker 13: Ukrainian cause, and we'll probably see some movement on that soon.
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Speaker 13: So Zelenski and Albanezi are two very different people. Albo
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Speaker 13: is extremely pragmatic. He's been a deal maker his whole life.
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Speaker 13: We've already seen the government saying that it's going to
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Speaker 13: boost defense spending as a and that that's a sort
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Speaker 13: of nod to Trump's demands that we increase overall defense
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Speaker 13: spending as a proportion of GDP.
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Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll see how it goes.
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Speaker 2: Of great faith in your man now, but Mia and Joe,
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Speaker 2: thank you very much for joining us. That meeting by
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Speaker 2: the way, as I said, round about two or three
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Speaker 2: am Tuesday morning, Rowan Deane's up next