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The Late Debate | 14 May · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome the Late Ball.
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  Speaker 1: It's great to have your company. I'm James macpherson with
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  Speaker 1: Liz Stauer and Caleb Bond. Obviously, tonight, the big story
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  Speaker 1: is the federal budget released by Treasurer Jim Chalmers just
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  Speaker 1: a couple of hours ago. We'll talk about that, but
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot more to get through as well, everything
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  Speaker 1: from religious freedom to whistleblowers to tough new penalties for
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  Speaker 1: pet owners whose dogs go rogue. We'll talk about that
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  Speaker 1: as well. Plus, I want to show you a clip
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  Speaker 1: from Joe Biden today where he made a startling admission
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  Speaker 1: about Kamala Harris. It may be the first time Joe
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  Speaker 1: Biden has told the truth in his life. We'll get
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  Speaker 1: to that. Plus we've got what's making news tomorrow, as
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  Speaker 1: you can imagine, most of the papers dealing with the
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  Speaker 1: federal budget. In fact, why don't we have a look
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  Speaker 1: at just a couple that have already come through. Let
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  Speaker 1: me show you the front page of tomorrow's Herald's Son
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  Speaker 1: in Melbourne. They've got a rather pensive looking treasurer on
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  Speaker 1: the front page with that sort of you're buying this expression, they.
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  Speaker 2: Great expense, we're buying it.
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  Speaker 1: I believe they're calling him charmed and dangerous. He's trying
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  Speaker 1: to charm us with a three hundred dollars power bill rebate,
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  Speaker 1: but dangerous live because the debt is going to hit
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  Speaker 1: a trillion dollars and keep going up.
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  Speaker 3: Indeed, he meant it when he said in his budget
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  Speaker 3: speech this evening, this year's a budget for the forthcoming decades. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: because they'll be paying it off. We will be paying
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  Speaker 3: it off four decades. Another front page spash on the
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  Speaker 3: Daily Telly, what's up, dark Well, jobless Australians up, grocery
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  Speaker 3: prices up, government debt up, overseas migrants, green's handouts and
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  Speaker 3: labour's total tax weight also up. I mean, what is
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  Speaker 3: there anything good to say about this budget?
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  Speaker 4: Caleb, help us out here. Is there one positive?
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  Speaker 5: Well? I suppose that the one positive, if your Jim Chalmers,
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  Speaker 5: is that it is very much an election budget. You know,
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  Speaker 5: he tried his hardest not to offend anyone. But of
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  Speaker 5: course the problem with that is that there is nothing
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  Speaker 5: much in there to deal with the real problems we have.
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  Speaker 5: And we know that you This night, Budget Night is
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  Speaker 5: the one night of the year where the Treasurer gets
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  Speaker 5: his day in the sun. He gets to stand up
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  Speaker 5: for half an hour and tell all the lies and
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  Speaker 5: spin he can fit into that thirty minutes. So I
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  Speaker 5: sat down tonight to watch Charmers give his speech, and well,
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  Speaker 5: I wasn't very heartened because within thirty seconds he'd started,
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  Speaker 5: as Liz just alluded to with the cliches.
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  Speaker 6: This is a budget for the here and now, and
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  Speaker 6: it's a budget for the decades to come.
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  Speaker 5: It's not really a budget for the decades to come.
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  Speaker 5: It's barely a budget for the next year to come.
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  Speaker 5: But of course what they're banking on is that we
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  Speaker 5: will have an interest rate drop within the next year
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  Speaker 5: or so and they can go off to an early.
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  Speaker 2: Election sell the election as well.
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  Speaker 5: You know, we've done the hard yards, we got inflation down,
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  Speaker 5: and we need your will.
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  Speaker 2: Help to keep on going.
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  Speaker 5: So of course the main theme tonight was nothing else
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  Speaker 5: but cost of.
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  Speaker 6: Living, cost of living, cost of living, cost of living,
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  Speaker 6: cost of living, cost of living, cost of living, cost
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  Speaker 6: of living, cost of living, and.
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  Speaker 5: Of course one of the major planks of cost of
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  Speaker 5: living measures was one that we heard about months ago.
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  Speaker 5: But mister Charmers, or doctor Charmers as I should say,
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  Speaker 5: spent a lot of time talking about tonight, and that
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  Speaker 5: is of course, the reworked Stage three tax cuts.
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  Speaker 6: Deliver as a tax cut for every taxpayer. Our new
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  Speaker 6: tax cuts for middle Australia, all thirteen point six million
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  Speaker 6: taxpayers will get a tax cut, a bigger tax cut
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  Speaker 6: than they would have under the previous government. Our tax
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  Speaker 6: cuts are better for families and communities, women and young people,
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  Speaker 6: just as every Australian taxpayer will get a tax cut.
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  Speaker 5: I mean no mention, of course, of the fact that
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  Speaker 5: he redrew Stage three tax cuts, so many taxpayers are
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  Speaker 5: actually getting less of a tax cut than they were
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  Speaker 5: originally promised when this government was elected elected on the promise,
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  Speaker 5: by the way, that they would not fiddle which with
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  Speaker 5: Stage three tax cut. But doctor Chalmers pointed out a
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  Speaker 5: group of workers who he believed would benefit especially from
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  Speaker 5: the changes.
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  Speaker 6: This is about rewarding the hard work of our nurses
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  Speaker 6: and teachers and truckies and tradees.
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  Speaker 5: I'd love to know how long he spent working on
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  Speaker 5: that line, or you know, the nurses and teachers, the
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  Speaker 5: truckies and the tradees well.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of tradees of course.
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  Speaker 5: Earn more than one hundred and fifty thousand dollars, particularly
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  Speaker 5: if you're a construction worker and those workers are getting
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  Speaker 5: less of a tax cut than they were originally promised
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  Speaker 5: by labor.
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  Speaker 2: Well done.
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  Speaker 5: But of course then it moved on to energy. And
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  Speaker 5: we've heard this so many times. No, it's got nothing
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  Speaker 5: to do with renewable energy that your power prices have
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  Speaker 5: gone up.
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  Speaker 1: It's Russia.
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  Speaker 6: Russia's invasion of Ukraine triggered the biggest shock to global
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  Speaker 6: energy prices since the nineteen seventies. We know Australian families
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  Speaker 6: and businesses have felt this pain, and that's why we've
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  Speaker 6: stepped in to help.
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  Speaker 5: Oh God, save me, but step into help they apparently have.
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  Speaker 2: Would you believe it.
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  Speaker 5: If it weren't for this government, your power prices and
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  Speaker 5: I think you know how much they have gone up,
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  Speaker 5: would have gone up even more.
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  Speaker 6: Electricity prices would have risen fifteen percent in the last
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  Speaker 6: year if not for our efforts. Instead, they arose an
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  Speaker 6: average of two percent.
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  Speaker 1: Two percent, two percent.
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  Speaker 5: Has anyone looked at their power bill recently and really
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  Speaker 5: believes that your power bill has only gone up by
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  Speaker 5: two percent? But there's an answer to this, Oh my god,
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  Speaker 5: what can we do?
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  Speaker 2: Were the government? We've got money. Why don't we just
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  Speaker 2: give it to you?
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  Speaker 6: From July one, Australians will receive an energy rebate of
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  Speaker 6: three hundred dollars and one million small businesses will get
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  Speaker 6: a little bit more. The ABS has shown how cutting
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  Speaker 6: energy bills directly cuts inflation two.
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  Speaker 2: Three hundred bucks.
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  Speaker 5: It doesn't really make up for the increase in your
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  Speaker 5: power bills, does it, even though apparently they only went
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  Speaker 5: up by two percent extraordinarily, And he says, look, it's
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  Speaker 5: actually anti inflationary. It's a real slight of hand that
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  Speaker 5: the boffins who work this out on paper say it's
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  Speaker 5: anti inflationary, because of course it means that power prices
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  Speaker 5: are actually less so when they're working out the rate
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  Speaker 5: of inflation, the contribution of power to that is less
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  Speaker 5: than it otherwise would have been. But it means you
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  Speaker 5: have three hundred extra dollars cash in hand to go
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  Speaker 5: and spend elsewhere, so that money is still swimming around
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  Speaker 5: in the economy. It's not really anti inflationary. But let's
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  Speaker 5: not forget the government did promise a decrease in your
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  Speaker 5: power prices, and of course they couldn't actually deliver that,
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  Speaker 5: So why don't we just give you three hundred dollars instead,
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  Speaker 5: it's really similar to that number.
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  Speaker 2: They promised your power prices would go down.
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  Speaker 7: Households will benefit by two hundred and seventy five dollars
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  Speaker 7: on Apple reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy
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  Speaker 7: five dollars, price by two hundred and seventy five dollars
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  Speaker 7: two hundred and seventy five dollars two hundred and seventy
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  Speaker 7: five dollars a year, two hundred and seventy five dollars,
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  Speaker 7: two hundred and seventy five dollars a year.
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  Speaker 5: Never mind all that, you're getting a three hundred dollars rebate.
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  Speaker 2: Aren't you lucky?
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  Speaker 5: Even if you're malcom turnable, Even if you're earning three, four, five,
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  Speaker 5: even twenty million dollars a year, you get three hundred bucks.
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  Speaker 5: Aren't you so lucky? And of course, we need other
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  Speaker 5: industry in this country. We've lost our manufacturing.
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  Speaker 2: Et cetera.
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  Speaker 5: So we're going to turn to the one thing that
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  Speaker 5: has made your power bills more expensive.
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  Speaker 6: Renewable energy a crucial part of a growth agenda, which
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  Speaker 6: is all about attracting investment in key industries making our
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  Speaker 6: country are Renewable energy superpower.
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  Speaker 5: Of course, we're about the only country in the world
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  Speaker 5: that would want to be a renewable energy superpower, because
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  Speaker 5: don't forget most other Western nations have agreed to increase
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  Speaker 5: nuclear power threefold by twenty fifty, going after net zero
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  Speaker 5: by that time. Australia is one of the only countries
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  Speaker 5: of all our allies who said we're not going.
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  Speaker 2: To do it.
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  Speaker 5: No one else wants to buy into a dot there's
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  Speaker 5: an open market for Australia to get on board with.
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  Speaker 5: And of course we need people to fill up these
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  Speaker 5: sectors and run all these quantum computers that were apparently
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  Speaker 5: going to build. So we're going to get loads more
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  Speaker 5: people into university tonight.
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  Speaker 6: We're setting a national target of eight out of ten
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  Speaker 6: workers achieving a tertiary qualification by twenty fifty, and we're
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  Speaker 6: backing it in with new funding reforms to meet this.
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  Speaker 5: Goal eight out of teen workers by twenty fifty. I
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  Speaker 5: hate to break it to your doctor charmers, but in
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  Speaker 5: twenty twenty two university enrollments where the lowest they had
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  Speaker 5: been in nine years. I think you're going to have
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  Speaker 5: a gargantuan task pulling that one off. And I mean
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  Speaker 5: you won't even be there in twenty fifty anyway, so
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  Speaker 5: what does it matter. You can promise whatever the hell
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  Speaker 5: you want, and then of course we had to draw
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  Speaker 5: it all out. The NDIS, which keeps ballooning out and
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  Speaker 5: out and out, will be sixty billion dollars a year
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  Speaker 5: within a few years time. Next year it's going to
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  Speaker 5: be forty nine million. But it's time to crack down on.
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  Speaker 6: The roots and ensuring that every dollar invested in the
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  Speaker 6: NDIS goes to those who need it most, which is
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  Speaker 6: why we're providing four hundred and sixty nine million dollars
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  Speaker 6: to keep working with the disability community and the states
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  Speaker 6: and territories to crack down on fraud and exploitation.
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  Speaker 2: Short and look thrilled there, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 5: I think I see, I think I see forty nine
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  Speaker 5: million before it's forty nine billion dollars. The budget for
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  Speaker 5: the NDAs will be in the next financial year. So
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  Speaker 5: there's beending four hundred and sixty nine million, which is
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  Speaker 5: nearly ten percent of the NDIS budget to stop people
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  Speaker 5: defrauding the NDIS. I mean, it's hardly a working system, man,
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  Speaker 5: is it?
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  Speaker 2: Give me a break?
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  Speaker 5: Anyway, We'll have more analysis on the budget later in
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  Speaker 5: the papers segment, and there's plenty of it to get
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  Speaker 5: through it.
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  Speaker 1: Can I just say I've watched all of Sky News
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  Speaker 1: coverage tonight on the budget, all of it has been great,
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  Speaker 1: but that five minutes was the best budget spots I
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  Speaker 1: have seen.
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  Speaker 2: Again, you're five.
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  Speaker 1: Peter Dutton doesn't even need to talk tomorrow. He just
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  Speaker 1: needs to replay that little.
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  Speaker 5: Spirit and I didn't even pay him to say that.
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  Speaker 5: Can you believe it? My budget is looking much better
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  Speaker 5: than doctor Charmits.
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  Speaker 4: From now on.
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  Speaker 3: Instead of Charmers getting half an hour for the budget speech,
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  Speaker 3: five minutes, Roler Bond can do it, so can you, buddy?
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  Speaker 3: Well to the news of the day today where we
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  Speaker 3: have a whistleblower story and you know I don't love
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  Speaker 3: many things as.
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  Speaker 4: Much as I love a whistleblower story.
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  Speaker 3: Well, today, former military lawyer David McBride was sentenced to
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  Speaker 3: almost six years in jail for being the whistleblower who
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  Speaker 3: exposed Australia's war crimes in Afghanistan, where he was deployed
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  Speaker 3: twice in twenty and eleven and two thousand and thirteen.
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  Speaker 3: How disgusting is our.
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  Speaker 4: Government for prosecuting this man?
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  Speaker 3: In twenty nineteen, Labor promised that they would put together
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  Speaker 3: a whistleblower protection agency.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that never happened.
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  Speaker 3: And then in twenty twenty one they promised that if
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  Speaker 3: we elected them, they would make whistleblower laws really, really tight,
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  Speaker 3: so those whistleblowers could blow all the whistles that they wanted.
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  Speaker 4: That never happened either.
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  Speaker 3: Then they got into power and their Attorney General, Mark
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  Speaker 3: Dreyfuss decided, I'm going to have a look.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to have a review at our secrecy laws.
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  Speaker 3: And he decided then that actually, if the whistleblower undermines
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  Speaker 3: trust in the Australian government, undermines the community's trust in
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  Speaker 3: Australian government, then I will prosecute them. So what are
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  Speaker 3: they supposed to blow whistles about, Dreyfuss all the great things.
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  Speaker 4: The government's doing behind closed doors. I don't think so.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, what he's really saying is, if you really
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  Speaker 3: knew what went on here Ozzie's, you wouldn't trust us.
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  Speaker 3: So we're just going to make a damn well sure
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  Speaker 3: you never find out. And I can't think of anyone
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  Speaker 3: better to explain David McBride's full story to you than
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  Speaker 3: an organization who calls themselves the Australian government and makes
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  Speaker 3: these ads saying this is what government wouldn't speak like
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  Speaker 3: if they were honest.
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  Speaker 8: Our whistleblower laws are here to protect you.
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  Speaker 2: Just kidding.
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  Speaker 8: You'll be prosecuted, bankrupt did and spend the rest of
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  Speaker 8: your life in jail. Old, No, seriously, you're like David
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  Speaker 8: who blew the whistle on war crimes in Afghanistan, including
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  Speaker 8: the murder of children. An official inquiry confirmed the war
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  Speaker 8: crimes took place. The journo who published the war crimes
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  Speaker 8: got an oam, the soldier who allegedly committed the war
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  Speaker 8: crimes got a medal, and the guy who helped reveal
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  Speaker 8: the war crimes he's about to get life in jail.
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  Speaker 8: How else was he meant to blow the whistle? He
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  Speaker 8: wasn't silly, And David, we prevented him from using key
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  Speaker 8: evidence and witnesses to defend himself under the Act because
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  Speaker 8: national security. They're by forcing him to plead guilty. And
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  Speaker 8: that is why the first person to based jail in
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  Speaker 8: relation to war crimes in Afghanistan isn't a war criminal,
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  Speaker 8: but the guy who exposed the war crimes.
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  Speaker 4: For shame Australian government.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, David McBride did seek protection under the Public
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  Speaker 3: Disclosure Act twenty and thirteen.
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  Speaker 4: Now, the way this Act works is that.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't It's literally just there to protect the government really,
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  Speaker 3: which is why in the ten years that it's been
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  Speaker 3: in force it has protected exactly zero whistleblowers. Well, David,
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  Speaker 3: you can stand proud and tall, buddy, and he clearly is.
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  Speaker 4: This was his quote today.
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  Speaker 3: I had never been so proud to be Australian as today.
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  Speaker 3: I have broken the law, but I did not break
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  Speaker 3: my oath to the people of Australia and the soldiers.
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  Speaker 4: Who keep us safe.
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  Speaker 3: Let's remember Albanzi's tweet back in twenty twenty after the
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  Speaker 3: shocking revelations brought to us by the Brereton Report.
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  Speaker 4: He said, we must act on.
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  Speaker 9: The Breton findings and never hide from the truth of
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  Speaker 9: our past.
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  Speaker 10: We must also face the future to make sure that this.
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  Speaker 4: Never happens again.
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  Speaker 9: We owe it to those brave soldiers and whistleblowers who
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  Speaker 9: stood up, spoke out and said enough, Well you've got
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  Speaker 9: egg all over your face, you big fat liar. Of course,
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  Speaker 9: the reason why the government takes these prosecutions against these
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  Speaker 9: whistleblowers for exposing their own corruption is because well, firstly
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  Speaker 9: they hate their corruption being exposed. But secondly, gotten to
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  Speaker 9: make an example out of these people, don't you, which
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  Speaker 9: is why the judge today said that exact thing.
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  Speaker 4: Lastly, a lego.
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  Speaker 3: Respender must be a very cold day in hell, because
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  Speaker 3: here I am siding with a Teal also tweeted today,
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  Speaker 3: the prison sentence handed to David McBride sends a chilling
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  Speaker 3: message to whistleblowers across Australia.
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  Speaker 4: David is the only.
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  Speaker 3: Person to go to jail for Australian wrongdoing in Afghanistan.
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  Speaker 3: His only crime was exposing the truth. We need a
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  Speaker 3: better whistleblower protections urgently. Do you think they're gonna be forthcoming?
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  Speaker 3: Do you think they're gonna be forthcoming? It's Julian assanj
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  Speaker 3: all over again.
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  Speaker 4: They just wipe their hands and be like.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you exposed us, so now we throw you under
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  Speaker 3: the bus.
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  Speaker 1: The irony in this case is that David McBride was
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  Speaker 1: not intending to get Australian soldiers in trouble. As I
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  Speaker 1: understand it, He licked this information to journalists because he
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  Speaker 1: was concerned that the military were unfairly targeting soldiers for
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  Speaker 1: killing Afghani's in self defense. So he liackd this material.
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  Speaker 1: Then the ABC used it as he had not intended
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  Speaker 1: to publish allegation sold and it became an anti soldier thing.
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  Speaker 1: So that's a great irony in this. He licked information
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  Speaker 1: to get result A and ended up with result B.
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  Speaker 1: Now he's in jail. I guess he still believes it's
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  Speaker 1: worth it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Look, he probably should foreseen what was going to
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  Speaker 5: be done with that information when he leaked it. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: any self respecting journalist looking at that would have looked
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  Speaker 5: at it and said, well, I've got a war crime
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  Speaker 5: story on my hands.
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  Speaker 2: Here was pretty obvious.
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  Speaker 5: Look, if you are willing to take the risk of
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  Speaker 5: stealing that information and leaking at which he did, you
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  Speaker 5: should also be willing to take the fall for that.
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  Speaker 5: And as far as I can tell, mister McBride is
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  Speaker 5: more than willing to take the fall for that. He
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  Speaker 5: hasn't resiled from what he's done.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't go to Spain for a year and then
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  Speaker 1: reluctantly came home.
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  Speaker 5: But he came and he's faced it, and he's taken
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  Speaker 5: it very well. The concern I have is that if
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  Speaker 5: you say it's open the floodgates and every whistle blower
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  Speaker 5: is protected for everything, do you not then create a
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  Speaker 5: situation where there are no stage secrets and therefore every
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  Speaker 5: other foreign power is aware of everything we are doing.
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  Speaker 5: And we operate in a world where we know other
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  Speaker 5: countries are very secretive about what they do. So why
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  Speaker 5: would we voluntarily give as much information as we can
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  Speaker 5: to countries like China then use that information against us
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  Speaker 5: when we can't do the same.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Tradition to use our war crimes in Afghanistan one of
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: many wars in which we're just being America's little bitch
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: and following them into these things, having absolutely no idea
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: why we're really there except oh, America's there. We inevitably
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: find out ten or twenty years later after these wars
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: the fact that America was just shoring up its own
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: selfish interests and we were just there playing patsy anyway,
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: and Afghanistan is absolutely no exception. How is China going
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: to benefit from that?
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Well to that question, Judge Mossip, in his rulings, said
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: that because there were hundreds of documents leaked, right, So
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: he said that in those documents there was tactical information
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: which could give an advantage to an adversary. He also
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: said it would cause our partners to lack confidence in
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: the Australian military that their secrets were not safe with us.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: So there were two practical ways in which the judge state,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: why compromised Australian security?
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: Why do you pretend, on the one hand to be.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: Like, yay, whistleblowers, We've got protections in place. You've literally
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: got these whistleblower laws, you've got the Public Disclosure Act,
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: pretending like, hey, if you want to bust us, we'll actually.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: Look after you. There there was the guy.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Richard Boyle I think his name was, who uncovered he
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: was the whistleblower uncovering what the ATO was doing, taking
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: way too much money off small businesses, etc.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: And so on.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: They prosecuted him, even though they then got their act
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: together tidied up everything he brought to the nation's attention,
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: so thereby admitting yes, what he said was right and
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: now we're fixing everything.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Thanks for that.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: They prosecuted him any way as well, because he put
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: together the documents showing what they were doing.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: Sure, crying out show, but there's a difference between talking
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: about whether the ATO has taken money it shouldn't have
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: taken from Australians and then state secrets in relation to
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: the miller.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, the accusation has no.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Difference when it comes to this is a government who
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: in this no difference.
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: There's no differences.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about the premise of my argument is I'm
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: talking about this is a government who said they were
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: going to set up a whistleblower protection agency, who promised us,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: it was one of their election promises, that we're going
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: to make these watertight laws for whistleblowers. Then their Attorney
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: General does it swiftly and says, well, actually, if you
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: so much as undermine the community's trust in government, Jeep,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: as you do that yourselves every other day, by the way,
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: then that is grounds for prosecution and I will go
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: after you hammer and tong. Hopefully the matter the nature
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: of the whistleblower. And that is why I'm using the
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: example of Richard Boyle, because in the eyes of this
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: government it doesn't matter but that to do with Afghanistan
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: or the ATO, because clearly they go after you anywhere.
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: But I tipted that's hypocritical, but surely we just can't
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: people running around revealing state secrets all the time. I mean,
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: if that's the road we go down, there will be
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: no security for anyone at any level of the military
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: or government ever.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: And if danger road we go down, then they can
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: get away with blue murder, which is exactly what they
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: did in Afghanistan and expect to get away with it.
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: So you're saying everything should be on the table and
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: every foreign power should be aware of everything that goes
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: on at every level of government.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: No, because obviously we don't have whistleblowers coming out of
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: our ears.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: It happens very rarely, sadly.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the concern is that you start to give
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: permission for people. And the judge made this comment about McBride.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: He said McBride was very opinionated and very strong in
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: those opinions.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: He wasn't sorry for what he did. Neither is Julian Asanja.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Neither should either of them be.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: So if you don't want your corruption exposed, hot tip,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: just don't be corrupt.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: So the danger becomes that individuals who are trusted with
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: classified information, they're the ones who make a judgment call
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: about what is worth leaking into the public era arena
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: and what is not and you can't.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Definition of a whistleblower. Yes, that is what they do.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: We're just saying it's incredibly problematic because, especially when it
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: comes to military secrets, you're going to have stuff that
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: is leaked that is not pertaining to the relevant situation.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I you, Julian Assam's leaked a whole lot of stuff.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: And nobody can point to it also linked by that
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: harmed us in any way.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: And McBride also leaked stuff which the judge said compromised
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Australian military tactics. So you've got a great conundrum for
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: governments to work out how to make whistle blower legislation
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: effective but still safe for the national secret Yes is.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Stop being a hypocrite and just get rid of it
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: all because you don't intend to protect them at all.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: That's fifth.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: That's all I'm saying.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: You are being hypocritical being like, oh, yeah, we care
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: about this one hundred percent.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Transparency. Transparency is our middle name.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: We've got these laws in place, we're talking about a
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: protection agency.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: We've got the public disclosures.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: No you're not, but that's that's the whole hog or
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: don't do it at all. While we're on the topic
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: of transparencing, and of course on budget night there's lots
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: of money being thrown around. We found out today that
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras in Sydney has copped
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: more than a million dollars from the state government because
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: that's the amount of deficit that they have found themselves
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: in now. Of course, the Game and Lesbian Mardi Gras
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: has been going in Sydney since nineteen seventy eight. It
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: is a long running and popular event in Sydney. But
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: of recent years the organizing committee have sort of moved
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: away from the original point of Mardi Gras, which was
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: to fight against discrimination against gay and lesbian people, and
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: they've bought into all sorts of other social issues, including
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: ones that actually affect gay and lesbian people negatively, like
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: you know, giving their support to Gaza, a place where
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: you don't go terribly well if you are a gay person.
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: What a surprise that they would find themselves running out
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: of money because they've kind of lost sight of what
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: the event actually is. Now, I know, state governments give
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: millions of dollars to all sorts of events to prop
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: them up because they're loss making ventures, but it's deemed
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: that they're good for the state in terms of tourism
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: and publicity, et cetera, et cetera, and a lot of
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: people go to Mardi Gras. My concern, though, is that
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: it has turned into nothing more than an activist arm
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: for whatever the current issue is. And this year it
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: was of course Palestine, and then it was police because
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: you had a fellow who was allegedly murdered by a copper,
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: or two people who are allegedly murdered by a copper,
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: And so where the Mardi Gras decided we're not going
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: to allow police to march in the Mardi Gras this year.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: Then you had all this uproar from gay police officers saying, well,
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: are we even part of the community anymore?
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: On and on and on and on it goes.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: There is an argument that something that has become so
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: political beyond the point of the demonstration doesn't deserve the
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: public money it's receiving.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I always thought that Marti Gras was a raging success,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: but to find out, as you said, by June they'll
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: have a one million dollar deficit. They received a million
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: dollars in February from taxpayers, and prior to that, taxpayers
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: provided extra money to keep them cash flow positive in
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: the lead up to the parade. So you know, the
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: organizers when asked what's going on, they said cost of
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: living pressures, which, well, I mean, we can all relate
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: to that. So why don't they just get quantus to
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: fund them rather than the TACKA payers. But I mean,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you see the great irony here, right, You've got an
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: organization which is all about equality, equality, but give us
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: special funding for us to do our thing. Well, you
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: can't have it both ways. So maybe the Mardi grass
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: should do what the rest of us are expected to
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: do and live within their means.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well it just comes down to poor management. Really.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Mardi Gras went bankrupt in two thousand and two. It's
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: not the first time that the government has bailed it out,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Like you say, in the name of tourism, Caleb, But
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: it becomes ridiculous when you have such it has become
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: inherently political. Then it becomes ridiculous for the taxpayer to
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: be funding it to the tune.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: Of millions of dollars each year. It just doesn't make
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: any sense.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Well, Clovermore said it's her goal to help it become sustainable. Well,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: as you said, it's existed since nineteen seventy eight, how
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: long do you need to be sustainable? And the New
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: South Wales Arts Minister John Graham, he said the Mardi
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Gras will be supported by the New South Wales taxpayer
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: because it's a celebration of inclusion and community. We're making
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: half of New South Wales pay for an event they
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: don't like. Is hardly a way to celebrate inclusion.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: You're included at least you're a police officer.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Of course. It's exactly talking of stupid. And every time
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: we think we've reached peak stupid, we open our eyes
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: and realize we're only at base camp. But we have
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: great footage of a conservative YouTuber. Her name is Schuler
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: and she went on to university campuses to ask young
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: men if they would donate a testicle to transgendered people
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: in order to fight toxic masculinity. Now, can you imagine
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: a more ridiculous proposition? And yet how ridiculous have our
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: university students become?
• 25:57
  Speaker 11: Would you donate one of your testicles to and if
• 26:00
  Speaker 11: it transmit and help fight toxic masculinity?
• 26:05
  Speaker 12: I'd have to know more about the medical implications of
• 26:10
  Speaker 12: me like having procedure to get rule my testicles, but like,
• 26:15
  Speaker 12: I'm not against the idea entirely true.
• 26:21
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean I'm a transpomant, so yeah, yeah.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: If I ever felt like I definitely was like, you know,
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: I don't want kids, and you know, somebody explained like,
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: you know, if I if I knew that things were
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: going to function properly afterwards, I don't see a problem
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: with that, right.
• 26:34
  Speaker 11: If there is a risk entail too, yeah, I'd consider Yeah,
• 26:38
  Speaker 11: probably the way.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Cal I've got to ask you, would you donate a
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: testicle to fight toxic masculinity?
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: No, not to fight toxic masculine.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: My one question would be my ones with someone after
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: My one question would be does it mean that it
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: hurts half as much if you copy kick in the nuts?
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: If you get rid of one of them. That might
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: be the only thing that would be some pro again.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Realized we're just I mean, they've got a girl with
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: blue hair. They're being asked about LGBTQ issues. Do you reckon?
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: They were just petrified of saying the wrong thing, so
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: they feigned I'd think about it, or do you reckon?
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: They were they've seriously been so brainwashed by work ideology
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: they would.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: Water bordered with said ideology.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Do you have to be a delusional You have to
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: be you are willing to part with one of your
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: nuts for the cause. I mean, do you do you
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: actually think that's going to be somehow soldered on to
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: a trans man.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: I don't think so.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: And yet some of them put absolutely no thought into
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: it whatsoever.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: They're just like, well, if it's for the cause, it's
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: for the cause.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: I guess they've got someone a woman standing there wearing
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: the most obviously fake blue WI right, Like how they
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: did not look at this woman and go, clearly, this
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: is satire.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: That's how far gone these people are.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: And then comes out with this ridiculous suggestion, would you
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: donate a testicle to stop toxic masculine? I mean, it's
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: like going into a shopping center and saying, would you
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: give me the three of your fingers to stop children
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: being hungry in Africa? I mean, what difference is the corners?
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: But they're not comparable causes. But giving a test you
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: to get rid of a toxic masculinity? I mean, is
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: she suggesting that It's a bit like when you're new
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: to an animal. You know, when your horses start going mad,
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: so you geld them to calm them down.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: You know, if every man.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: Gets rid of a testicle, Well, I don't know that's
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: going to solve every problem.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I think your most pertinent comment is how did they
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: not recognize it was satire? I know, but the world
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: right now is so mental that satires. Well I was dead,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: So you believe pretty much anything.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: And you can't question anyone, of course.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know someone says I've got the degree
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: in gender studies and I wear.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: A blue wig. Well you must be obeyed.
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: There's nothing potentially wrong with you whatsoever. And you had
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: these moments and you think, my god, the world has
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: gone to hell in a hand basket. We need someone quick, smart,
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: who knows what's going on and consort all of this out.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: And who would have thought it would.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: Come in the form of the Prime Minister of Singapore,
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: Lee sine Long. Now we know that Singapore, of course,
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: they go very hard on things like crime. If only
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: we could take the Singaporean way up in Queensland, for instance,
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: where they have serious issues with the youth crime. I
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: think in Singapore, you know, if you spit your chewing
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: gum on the pavement. They cut your hand off or something. Right,
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: you know it's serious, but you learn your lesson when
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: you lose your hand.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Right, But I don't think they cut your hand off
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: or something like that.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: We get well, you know, same thing.
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: But over in Singapore they do not take kindly to
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: woke ideology, and the Prime Minister has put it more succinctly,
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: I think than I have seen it anywhere else.
• 29:48
  Speaker 11: In the West, they've got a movement called warkness, where
• 29:53
  Speaker 11: you're super sensitive upon other people's issues, and you'll become
• 29:58
  Speaker 11: hyper sensitive when other people somehow others say things or
• 30:02
  Speaker 11: mention things, or refer to you without the respect which
• 30:05
  Speaker 11: you or your super subgroup feel you or entitled to.
• 30:08
  Speaker 11: It leads to very extreme attitudes and social norms, particularly
• 30:17
  Speaker 11: in some academic institutions universities. You talk about safe spaces,
• 30:22
  Speaker 11: you talk about appropriate pronouns, you talk about I'm about
• 30:27
  Speaker 11: to say something which may be offensive to you. If
• 30:30
  Speaker 11: you don't want to hear it, perhaps you would like
• 30:31
  Speaker 11: to leave now, and life becomes very burdensome. And I
• 30:37
  Speaker 11: don't think we want to go in that direction. It
• 30:39
  Speaker 11: does not make us a more resilient, cohesive society with
• 30:45
  Speaker 11: a strong sense of solidarity. We must be more robust.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: Sorry I gave Singapore a little too much credit. They
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: don't cut your hand off. They just kind of supply.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: If they kind of hard enough, you might lose your hand.
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: But he just puts it so well in the problem
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: with woke ideology, and it's amazing. Here we are sitting
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: in the West going, oh, what can we do about this?
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: And a bloke who is running a small city state
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: that you know, in many ways has civil society sorted
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: out better than anywhere else in the world, just cuts
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: straight through the rubbish and says, this is why it's bad.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: If only we had more leaders like him.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: We mentioned two things, resilience and cohesion, and no one
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: can tell me right now that we have social cohesion
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: in this country. And you certainly can't tell me that
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: our young people are resilient and able to you know,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: sort of well things slight.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: They're willing to give away their testicles of so wonderful
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: to hear wokeness very politely, as is their beautiful cultural way,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: trying to describe the utter insanity of they had this.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: Movement called wokeness.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: But delves, which means they're not very robust. No, they're
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: not very robust at all. Some very important news we
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: have to get to tonight. The UN has double checked
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: its figures on the death count in Palestine, and would
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: you believe it, the numbers they were getting from Hamas
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: aren't true. They cut them by almost fifty percent.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: This is the quote.
• 32:19
  Speaker 10: The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs
• 32:23
  Speaker 10: has revised its data attaining to the number of Palestinian
• 32:27
  Speaker 10: casualties in the seven month old Garza War, reducing almost
• 32:30
  Speaker 10: by half the number of women and children it previously
• 32:34
  Speaker 10: said were killed in the hostilities between Israel and the
• 32:37
  Speaker 10: Iranian backed terror group Hamas. So get this, they had
• 32:41
  Speaker 10: claimed that fourteen thousand and five hundred children.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Had been killed since the war began. Two days later.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Early this month, the UN agency nearly cut the number
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: in half. They're now saying that some four nine hundred
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: and fifty nine women seven thousand, seven hundred and ninety
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: seven children have been killed in the war so far. Now,
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: how the only way to get in figures that inflated
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: is to be taking the numbers of a terrorist group
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: and publishing them as if it were fact, while Israel
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: keep saying, we are actually doing everything we can possibly do,
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: while these mongrels use the human beings as shields to
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: save civilian lives. We're not here to kill civilians. We
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: are here to annihilate Hamas. And yet the UN recognize the.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: World over has been trumpeting the.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Harmas figures and are responsible for so much of the
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: uprisings we see across the West as people have believed
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: these figures.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Unquestioningly, the figures that the UN have been promoting have
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: caused huge anger against this They've led to charges of
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Israel using disproportionate force. They've also been the basis for
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: claims of genocide, and what the UN have done is
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: basically just repeated Hamas talking points. If the new figures
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: are true, then it would be about one to one
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: in terms of civilian casualties and terrorists Israel claimed they've killed,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: which would make Israel in terms of urban warfare, one
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: of the most brilliant, caring military forces in the history
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: of urban warfare. So this is a massive back down
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: by the United Nations. But my question is, even if
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: these numbers are half what they say, how do they
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: know that that's correct, because they don't have any way
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: of verifying on the ground what the actual numbers are.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: So it's curious that they've halved them. But how do
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: they know that those numbers are correct?
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: They probably don't.
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: But I mean, the UN is just the most Johnny
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: cum Lately organization when it comes to this war, isn't it.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, what was it January or February when the
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: UN finally decided that they were concerned that on October
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: seventh there may have been gratuitous violence in the form
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: of rape and murder, etc. Against Israeli women. I mean,
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: we already knew all of that, and it took them
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: four five months for the UN to come out and say, oh,
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: we have a problem here.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Oh we condemn this.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, we know what the UN thinks
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: of Israel. What's the number sixty times they've condemned Israel
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: or probably more I think, And how many times have
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: they condemned Palestine. Well, they've just decided, they've recommended to
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: the Security Council.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: That they should be included in the UN.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: All you have to do to be recognized by the UN,
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: apparently is commit terrorist acts.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Who knew it was so easy?
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think before we go to a break, let's
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: talk about a quick story from your home state, South Australia,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: where if you own a dog and your dog attacks
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: another animal or a person, you face fines of twenty
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. That's the owner of the doll If
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: your dog attacks an other dog or a person and
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: causes injury or death, fifty thousand dollar fine. If that
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: dog had already been labeled dangerous and you've failed to
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: keep it from attacking. Is that fair? Do you reckon quick?
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: Let the dogs?
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: No, I'm sure they'll call off any future planned attack.
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: No, it's down to the owners. The owners control the dog,
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: it's their animal. You shouldn't have a dangerous animal. The
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: current penalty is two hundred, say two hundred and twenty
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: five hundred dollars in so they're increasing the penalty by
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: ten times. You know people running around with pit bulls
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: and all these sorts of things. There should be a
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: major disincentive to allow dangerous dogs out in public, and
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: a twenty five thousand dollar fine if your dog attacks
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: someone sounds like a pretty good disincentive.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: If you're mainly recognizing a pet almost as a weapon.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: If you're waiting around eat and that's responsible. If you're
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: allowing a pit bull or a dog like that, just
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: naturally aggressive, to be off a leash, then you irresponsible.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: You should be now, well, somebody has to be responsible.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: And some of these attacks result in fatalities otherwise being
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: horrifically scarred for life, So it makes sense you've got
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: to punish someone. And in the nature versus nurture argument, obviously,
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: if you're on the nurture side, it's always always the
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: owner's responsibility.
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, look, twenty five hundred dollars fine if your
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: dog kills someone. If you killed someone with your car,
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: you're out for either murder or manslaughter. But your dog
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: does it and you copp the same fine you'd get
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: for sort of serious drink driving or something. It seems
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: ridiculous you deserve to have such a serious fine. If
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: we're not going to put down every pitople in this country,
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: which I believe we should because they are dangerous dogs,
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: then a large fine is about as good as we're
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: going to get.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Well, Calibond will never get such a fine because he
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: owns a cat and cat cat men. We're going to
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: go to a break when we come back. We'll look
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: at what's making news in the papers tomorrow. It's the budget,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: of course, but we'll look at how the papers are
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: reporting Jim Chalmer's speech earlier this sevenon that's coming up
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: in a moment. All right, well, let's look at how
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: the papers are going to report Jim Chalmer's budget speech. Liz,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: what does the Australian say.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: The Australian does not disappoint James bug it on after
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: pay is the main headline. Gotta love that Jim Chalmers
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: has splashed seven point eight billion on new cost of
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: living measures, including three hundred dollars energy subsidies for every
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: household and boosted rent assistance designed to artificially lower inflation
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: and heap pressure on the Reserve Bank to cut rates
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: ahead of the next election. Of course, this budget is
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: all about trying to win said election.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: It's all a sugarhead.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Everyone gets a pony, some of you get a pony
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: for your pony. It's incredible, and yet I'm just looking
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: at our national debt and my eyes are watering because
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: this does nothing to address that whatsoever. It is all
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: about winning the next election and giving everyone.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: That quick sugar hit.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Being like oh, we have a surplus, probably the last
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: one you'll see in a very long time, especially if
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: you stick with this government. I was actually talking to
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: someone today and brace yourselves. I'm glad you're both sitting down.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: I was talking about the National.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: I literally said to me, no, we we have a surplus.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: Good glue die.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Oh no, they literally thought the nine point three billion
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: dollar surplus is us being debt free and having that
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: little golden egg just sitting there like a nugget.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: I'm still not over it.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: How are we supposed to get ourselves out of this
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: mess when the average Australian doesn't even realize how big
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: a mess we're in.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: The pointed that you shared that conversation because you told
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: me you'd keep that in.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: I can't.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: I kind of admire that.
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: The wishful thinking or the blissful ignorance, you know, they say,
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: and we sit here every night and talk about the
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: troubles of the world, and you watching at home.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Of course, informed that's why you're watching us.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: So we have to deal with the troubles of the
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: world while others just skip through fields of daisies. But
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: when you talk about the debt, right, and I mean
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: this is such an election budget. And this is going
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: back to the point we made earlier about you know,
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: this is not just a budget for today. It's a
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: budget for decays. It's barely a budget for the next
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: few months. It is literally, let's just get us through
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: to what will hopefully be an early election. Now there
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: will only be an early election.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: I believe if interest.
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: Rates go down that will be the trigger for an
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: early election.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: But it's it's highly likely.
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: I mean, a charmer says we'll get some inflation down
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: to two point seventy five percent by the end of
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: the year. I think that's a bit of a lofty ask,
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: and without that coming down, you're unlikely to get that
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: reduction in interest rates. But beyond what has been put
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: forward here, which is all about winning that election, there
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: is nothing. There is no plan whatsoever. There's no plan
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: for debt reduction. There's no future proofing. I mean, net
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: debt goes from this financial year four hundred and ninety
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: nine point nine billion dollars to six hundred and ninety
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: seven point five in financial year twenty seven to twenty eight, right,
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: it just keeps going up. Real debt is more than
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: a trillion dollars. There is no plan whatsoever.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Chalmers is betting everything on this budget in that we're
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: distracted by some shiny things three hundred dollar energy rebate.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: He's betting that inflation goes down, then they go straight
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: to an election because they've proved they can manage the economy.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: But if inflation goes up, then he is completely screwed
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: because he's bet everything that it won't. You've got the
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Reserve Bank warning that we can't have any inflationary pressure.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: He'll be blamed for it and then they're in big trouble.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Speak of elections, it's not just Albanezi who's excited about
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: this budget for an election, but Stephen Miles is very
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: excited about the federal budget because of course Queensland has
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: a state election in October, and he tweeted tonight all
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Queenslanders will now get a thirteen hundred dollar energy rebate.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: He actually said, the olben Eezy government has these the
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: words topped up our one thousand dollars rebate with another
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: three hundred dollars.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: My idea was so great theave.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Copy topped it up.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Let's go to the front page of the Adelaide Advertiser
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: The headline says, three hundred dollars drop in the ocean.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Voters whether in huge bill rise, will get a seventy
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: five dollars a quarter energy bill rebate as charmers bets
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: the next election on the modest cost of modest is
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: true cost of living relief cutting through and of course
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: they talk about how there's also the revamped Stage three
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: tax cuts that the article goes on to talk about
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: the fact that the gross debt will blow out to
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: more than one point one trillion dollars, the Labour's budget
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: surplus and the cost of living trying to deal with
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: the cost of living stuff, they've got this little budget surplus.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Adam Bant today, let me show you an Adam Bant
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: tweet because this is why Adam band should never be
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: allowed near the national accounts. He said, Labour's budget surplus
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: is your cost of living increase? With millions stuck in poverty?
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Do we have millions stuck in poverty?
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: Millions?
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Wonder them?
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Isn't this unable to afford rent, medication, groceries or degrees? Accurrently,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: if you can't afford a uni degree poverty, he says,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: labor are proud of hoarding nine point three billion dollars
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: from people doing it the toughest. That's not responsible, that's cruel. So,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: according to the Greens, a budget surplus is cruel responsive
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: because you are hoarding money.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, cut down death is hoarding.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: What is responsible is spending every last pen.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: And then some like this government hasn't done that.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: But I just love this three hundred dollars drop in
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: the ocean headline because we all know that's going to
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: absolutely everyone. It hasn't mean means tested. Every bajillionaire in
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: the country also gets this. I'm sure they'd happily forego
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: it and give it to people actually in need and
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: choosing between I don't know, eating today and paying their
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: energy bill. But this government is essentially compensating us for
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: their own energy policies. They're like, oh, well, look it's okay,
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: we'll give you free money. Hey, it's our money anyway,
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: we'll take it.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: We were promised to reduction in energy prices. Remate is
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: not a reduction.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: Rather than reduce the two hundred and seventy five, there's
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: no reduction. They're now just handing out free money, being like,
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: spend this voucher at the door and well that's some wrong.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: So taxpayers are spending three billion dollars and then some
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: in order to try and cover up a government failure,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: of course, and while the budget pours.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: More billions into their jolly green dream, which is only
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: going to result in more ex.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Courrect three hundred dollars.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: You know, it's if you are earning fifty grand a year,
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: three hundred dollars perhaps does mean something to you, sure,
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: but if you're earning more than that, three hundred dollars
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: is basically a drop in the ocean. And let's not
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: forget of course that. Of course, he talked to broadly
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: tonight about the changes to Stage three tax cuts and
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: how great that is, and that delivers a tax cut
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: to every Australian if you are one of those low
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: earning Australians, so you know you've been delivered a tax
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: cut in these changes to Stage three. It's what fifteen
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: dollars a week or something like. It is a minuscule
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: tax cut that has been delivered by this government and
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: they're crowing about it. And as Ross Greenwood pointed out
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: straight after the Treasurer's speech tonight, even though you have
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: had a tax cut, this is still the highest taxing
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: government Australia has seen in.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Twenty three years.
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: Let that sink in, and that's largely because of bracket creep,
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: because you know, as inflation goes up, of course your
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: wages will have to go up to some degree, and
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: so all these people have moved up into the next
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: tax bracket. So that lovely pay rise you you just
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: hand half of it straight over to the taxman. And
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: it means that the federal government's income tax receipts in
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: the last five years or so have increased in the
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: order of thirty forty billion dollars. They've not raised taxes
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: at all. They've actually lowered taxes. But at the same
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: time as they've lowered tax rates, they've actually dragged in
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: more tax from you because your income has gone up.
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: Let that sink in. Try and make it make sense,
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: but they don't want you to know that because of course,
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: well it's good for them.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: They make more money.
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: And while we're on the theme of cost of living,
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: let's go over to the Canvra Times tomorrow where it
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: says election ready, pain relief, What a surprise, And then
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: you see doctor Charmers in all of his doctor gear
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: Treasurer Jim Chalmers has cast aside worries of a slowing
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: economy to deliver a host of measures designed to help
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: millions of Australians struggling with the cost of living. Well,
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: good luck really is all I can say, because even
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: though he said tonight we're going to essential we have
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: the level of migration, we have not seen any inkling
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: of that whatsoever so far. I have no idea how
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: he thinks he's going to achieve it. I have no
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: idea how he thinks he's going to achieve the reduction
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: in inflation he says he's going to deliver it could
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: all go very Piershe.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: The other little thing from the budget, because remember when
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Albanezi won the election and referendum on a Voice for
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Indigenous people, and we spent four hundred and fifty million
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: dollars on the referendum, spent twelve months talking about it.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: That failed, But you'd think there'd be something in the
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: budget for Indigenous people. Fifty one words, three centences regarding
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Indigenous people. We're going to go to a break when
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: we come back. Joe Biden tells the truth about Kamala
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Harris startling admission we'll show you that in a second. Okay,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: So most of us would admit that Kamala Harris is
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: probably the dumbest politician in the world right now, but
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden reckons he's found someone even dumber himself.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Joe Biden, I work for Kamala Harris.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: I asked her to be my vice president. I knew
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: I needed somebody smarter than me. I'll tell you what though,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: when he says he works for Kamala Harris, he doesn't
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: work for Kamala Harris. He works for Barack Obama. But
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: in terms of his acknowledgment that she is smarter than him,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I reckon. That's the first time Joe Biden has actually
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: told the truth.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: Of it question first in that race.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: But here was the Honorable Levy at a health forum
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: talking to a pile of young people.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: She's trying to connect and be cool, so she drops
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: the F bomb.
• 48:40
  Speaker 10: We have to know that sometimes people will open the
• 48:43
  Speaker 10: door for.
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: You and leave it open.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Sometimes they won't, and then you need to kick that
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: door down.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Exteals my language.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Life advice from the Vice President of the United States
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: of America.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Oh for I mean no, no, no, I can't do that.
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: I mean, come on, you know, surely you're in front
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: of a crowd, you're the vice president.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: You can swear as much.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: As you want behind closed doors, but she always seems
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: like she's on drugs. That's it from us, good night,